@@gigit8234 the last scenes of him in the movie, such as Coin's death, are edited with CGI because he had passed away before filming them. A really tragic death for a respected actor
Plutarch is probably the most important piece of the rebellion. He knows all along that Katniss will eventually turn on coin which is exactly what he wants. He knows that coin is corrupt just like snow but that he has to work with her for the rebellion.
Plutarch Heavensbee is the ultimate Gamemaker. He tricked both Presdient Snow and President Coin into playing his own end game, and they played along like mere tributes.
I think it was phenomenal for Plutarch to believe in the cause of revolution from the beginning because he lived in the Capitol and was a game maker. All he had to do was to stay out of the conflict and continued his luxurious life. But there he was, doing everything he could to make this revolution work and he did. I think he was really good at observing people. He knew Katniss really well but also Coin. He wasn't surprised at all when Katniss killed Coin, like it was part of his plan all along.
I love how he acknowledged at the end to Katniss that despite the war being over, and that they'll enter that sweet period of never repeating what happened ever again, yet humans are fickle and have a gift for self-destruction. It's fuck me - it's exactly what's happening now in the real world. Especially in Europe.
Plutarch is one of those characters you sort of forget about, but he's actually a character that does a lot of important things. Thanks for making a video on him! Could I suggest a Primrose Everdeen video?
Theory: Plutarch's parents are Hilarious Heavensbee and Lysistrata Vickers from TBOSBAS They both mentored tributes in the 10th hunger games, Lysistrata always felt sympathy for the tributes especially after Jessup jumped in to protect her from the arena explosion, she also hated having to watch the tributes killing eachother Her sympathy for the district's could've influenced Plutarchs decision to side with them in the 2nd rebellion
Sounds about right. She's one of the few students partaking in the mentorship that had the same ideology as Seganus. It wouldn't be hard to believe that she raised her kids to have that same kind of sympathy
What I loved about the movies is that in the end haymitch read the letter to katniss and supported her not plutarch.. it completes the circle of haymitch being her mentor and watching over her all the time
Thats because he died before he could deliver his final lines so that letter was a compromise from the movie writers to make it seem like he was busy with the rebellion.
Something I wished they did in the “catching fire” movie was adding the bread that Plutarch gave to beetee because I feel like it was a kinda important bit like how much time they had left to escape idk I really wished they added that in the movie
i agree. in the books that how finnick, johanna, and beetee know exactly the time and date they are going to break out of the arena. leaving that part out of the movie doesn’t really make sense.
I wished they used the little foreshadowing about the watch with the mockingjay on it. But, everywhere people say that it was too much of foreshadowing and that they wanted to keep the twist of Plutarch being behind the rebellion a secret. But, it was really important and I wish they had put it in.
I love plutarch as a character, while reading the books and watching the movies I was always confused on whether I should trust him or not which made him very interesting
Ikr. I didn't know whether to trust or distrust Plutarch but after going through the books, I realize that he's really good at hiding his involvement in the rebellion which makes him that much cooler!!
One of my favorite scenes in the hunger games EVER is after the war but before the epilogue and Peeta Katniss and Haymitch are eating together watching Paylor get sworn in and Haymitch said “ there’s Plutarch right in the middle! And they say no one ever wins the games.” Just that final bit! No one wins the games! *squeals and chill bumps*
@@tw3f4tes52 Bc the term “no one ever wins the games” refers to the trauma and lasting injury’s that you obtain, and the war was considered like the 76th game. Everyone had lasting consequences, everyone lost something, but Plutarch didn’t. He was in charge before the world, dying the war, and after it
@@tw3f4tes52 my absolute favorite quote in the book series was: There are still moments where I wake up screaming of nightmares of lost children and Mutts and he still clutches a chair in the dining room and refuses to let go and after when he asks you love me real or not real I say real “ it shows though they have severe PTSD that will never fully heal they can still get over it
My favourite "quote" from the films is when Peeta and Katniss start their victors tour and while arriving at a district they catch a quick glimpse from the train of the words THE ODDS ARE NEVER IN OUR FAVOR mysteriously written on a wall. For me, this quote marked the turning point in the saga, it's the moment I realised this is not just about some hunger games, it's about something much much deeper that is now starting to unfold.
I always got the feeling that he knew being a game maker was a temporary thing as they all end up like Seneca crane. He used the rebellion as an ultimate game maker challenge.
I don’t think they all died like Seneca. Seneca was punished for having 2 victors and not killing Katniss and/or Peeta before they influenced the rebellion. As long as you do your job, you probably get rewarded with power like Gaul and Snow were.
Haymitch also warned her to not go to the hospital, and Haymitch gave Katniss a lecture for not only taking off the earpiece but also going to the hospital and even threatened to get the doctors to put in a silver chip by her ear and she would have to listen to his voice 24/7.
0:35 I love these disclaimers, because you're right, there are differences. This leads me to ask, though, would you be willing to do a four-part breakdown of all the differences between the Hunger Games books and movies, similar to the Harry Potter series? I'd know I'd definitely be interested. Same with a Percy Jackson breakdown, just for the lols.
@@mae9507 and on the flip side he always has to reassure people when he's specifically talking about the films because if he doesn't he'll get 100+ people in the comments whining that he's wrong because they're basing their knowledge on the books. It's ridiculous that he has to say these things over and over but it's a direct result of ignorant commenters and their shenanigans.
Plutarch reminds me a lot of Severus Snape I mean honestly like their stories are very similar, to people that nobody trusts, everyone thinks they’re on the bad side, nobody trust them, both the good side and the bad side are questioning whether they should be trusted, but in the end they both are on the good side, and fighting for the right reasons, now I don’t know if heavens be lost someone like Severus did, but their stories to me and to a friend of mine for a lot of friends of mine who are door potter heads and hunger games fans think that they are so much alike in many ways it’s not even funny
I think it is quite funny he is named after a roman historian who altered his information depending on the narrative he wanted to tell, quite fitting for a man who is adapting things to his narratives
i love how in depth you are and it’s obvious how much you care about these books and films. every time i watch any of your videos i get the urge to reread the series you’re talking about
Absolutely, he served himself before all. If he had to destroy a democracy and establish a dictature to gain more power, he would have done it without hesitation. Things juste happened to present the other way round.
"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? Everything!" ―Luthen Rael
One of the best casting choices in the series, up there with Donald Sutherland as Snow. Seymour Hoffman was such a captivating actor who pretty much stole every scene hes in. Couldn't think of anyone else better to bring Plutarch to life.. Fly high Phillip, thanks for everything 🕊
Just finished a HG movie marathon over the weekend and I finished this time around having a different perspective of Plutarch. I wondered like many others after watching BSOAS, how exactly a Capitol old money Heavensbee like him ended up wanting change? While he was all in for a noble cause, at the end of the day, he is a game maker. He was willing to sacrifice who were likely old friends (the victors) to give him the outcome he wants. He had a play in innocent civilians dying. He put a 16 year old girl through hell and said he’d do it all over again for the same outcome. A few things I’ve read on him since going down this Plutarch rabbit hole: 1. I caught little details in the movie I didn’t notice before… like how he knew Coin’s speeches so he probably wrote them (because he is an expert at propaganda). I read a fan theory that perhaps Plutarch wrote Coin’s “may your aim be as true as your heart is pure” as a way to get katniss to shoot at Coin instead of Snow. 2. Suzanne Collins had said in an interview that Plutarch has seen his colleagues such as Seneca Crane die, and he wonders when the mad king (Snow) will decide he’s next. This is a brilliant assessment of Plutarch imo. 3. read another theory maybe it was Plutarch’s idea to have Coin suggest another HG and have Katniss realize she was a danger to Panem. We know that Plutarch played Snow like a fiddle… possible he could have done that to Coin too. 4. Forgot who but someone said about Plutarch “and there’s Plutarch in the middle of it all” “And they say no one ever wins the games.” He really seems to be the only one who “won” the games. I do wonder what the psychological effects of these games/war were on him, but he seems pretty desensitized to death and violence if he’s so willing to sacrifice so many people for the outcome he wants.
This is what I do with every series 🤣 I go through the books and then watch the movies to see the difference and pretty much complain the entire time 😂 It’s actually really funny sometimes
I honestly think that Suzanne should have written about Plutarch instead of Coriolanus Snow in her new book, "the ballad of songbird and snakes" with the same premise, both come from the capital and worked their way up with one obvious difference that being while Plutarch isnt a "good guy" he atleast wasn't responsible for killing thousands. Having read the book with Snow as the protagonist i felt it was very inaccurate to his character as we know him.
I actually think they took so long scene setting before the games, that the end was rushed, and so no real developing on how he became president, who he poisoned.He went back, and that was it.
@thefilmsett right?! I thought we would get to read about evil snow slowly rising to the top as president. Maybe there will be a sequel to the prequel idk.
What's stopping her from doing both? Wings of Fire has something called Winglets. Short stories about different characters. Suzanne could do something like that.
It was his idea to bomb the capital children and the rebels medic, but coin got all the blame and lost her life. He then "helped" Katniss out in her trial so Katniss won't go after him. He is basically the little finger of THG franchise
He posted the videos and probably realized that coin probably was responsible but decided to make the best of it. He was a saint or good guy but he seem to try his best in what ever way he did it
Plutarch reminds very much of Pericles, Master of Propaganda and a great Orator also having perfect knowledge of in politics and an important part of Athens like Plutarch was to Panem.
Exactly. Panem is literally breads and circuses in so many ways, the nation's name, the tesserae, the hunger games, the totalitarian government, it's all based on romans
I’m actually a big huge fan of the hunger games it’s actually one of my favourite novels and I actually read the books differently because even though the books are printed in ordinary print they’re also in braille for anyone that’s blind or visually impaired so that’s how I read the books and I also read them as audiobooks as well
We not going to talk about the fact that Hilarious Heavensbee was in the 10th Hunger Games as a mentor and Plutarch just HAPPENS to share the same last name?
I think people are going too far in saying Plutarch is a "good man", he literally helped Coin kill a bunch of children. I'd say he was an opportunist who wanted power, which is why he helped the rebellion and in the end he to rewarded by becoming an important figure in politics. If he sided with the Capitol, then he'd likely just be a games runner and likely wouldn't move up the social latter as much as he could. He's more like Snow, he helps kill children as a means to an end. He's not going to get behind more killing children in a second hunger games since it doesn't really benefit him or society. He makes no moves to remove Coin even though it's very obvious she'd be a cruel leader like Snow. If he really did care about the well-being of all people he would have a better leader to replace Coin. He's not a good man, he's an amoral man. He will back whichever leader he can maintain the most power under.
While I feel you make a compelling point and to an extent I agree with you, the fact that when Katniss put shot the arrow into Coin instead of Snow was “no shocker” to Plutarch, I’d wager he knew good and well Katniss would taken Coin down eventually the same as she brought Snow down. And considering his disdain for such things like the Hunger Games, I have my doubts he was in on the plan to bomb the children. Regardless, I won’t deny he seems the type to back whoever can advance his standing, no doubt he has his limits on what he’ll allow in who he backs. After all, if he purely wanted power and station over all else, why not keep playing Snow like a fiddle to his advantage to keep himself as Snow’s right hand man and sell out the rebellion?
@@emperorrevan6992also i would actually argue that he DID have a back up. i really do think he wanted paylor to be elected all along, the way he phrased the letter saying he wasn’t surprised at all that katniss would shot coin, proved for me that he was just using coin like he did with snow. he knew he needed her and 13 just like he needed katniss to make a revolution. but he never wanted coin to end up being president. another thing that hints that plutarch always wanted someone like paylor for president is that we see him on screen when she is elected showing that he is in on her party. and haymitch even ironically says sth like „ and they say nobody ever wins“ because plutarch actually won. he played them all. and ended up with the result he wanted. if he was so cruel i don’t think he would have rooted for someone like paylor to be president. who immediately abolished the hunger games, destroyed the arenas and set up memories for the fallen tributes. i think he would have ended up with way more power if he stayed with snow or coin since he worked so close to both of them and could manipulate them form the shadows, to achieve the results he wanted.
@hiitsnana You don’t have more power under a dictator like snow or coin, because they can just axe you at any time for any reason (including something silly like rampant paranoia). Plutarch wants the absolute freedom to pursue his goals (whatever they are, I’m not entirely sure), and overthrowing the dictatorship is the only way to obtain something close to that. And another nice upside is that if you commit horrible crimes and get caught for it under a democracy, the worst you suffer (usually) is prison for life. And in the movies, he also cares at least somewhat for the well-being of others, but even then he’s not the type to sacrifice himself for the cause. But book Plutarch is as self-interested as they come.
Thing with Plutarch’s loyalty, despite how he sympathetic he is at times, deep down his loyalty is to himself. When you think about it, Katniss and the other victors are kind of the same, though more loyal to their loved ones.
in the prequel book, in the academy high school there's "Heavensbee hall" and one of the student mentors also was a Heavensbee - so he has a long lineage!
I still remeber the day i watch the hunger games on thankgiving of 2012 after one of my friends had already read the book and said it was amazing. After watching i read the trilogy and realized prims death was caused by the rebellion and was deeply saddened by this. Its understandable to save the nation but terrible for katniss. Anyone who had anything to do with that bombing is still a terrible person to me. The person that was the key to the rebellion lost everything. Her lover, her sister, all of her friends.
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I wish that Susan Collins will make an sorta of Books there writes more in detail the lifes of some most iconic characters of Hunger Games, including obviously Plutarch Heavensbee
It's kind of the perfect meld between someone who's been brainwashed there by their society and someone who hasn't, it's not like the perfect brainwashing and societal pressure have nothing on him because they do a little he's got a bit of the capital conditioning he's still manipulative he still sees things mostly a spectacle, but it also proves that people can be good people in ways that a lot of capital people wouldn't, honestly a lot of the capital people seem to be decent like everybody in the prep team they're kind of immature and silly but besides loving the hunger games they're just sort of like as katniss herself says they're like children
What an amazing actor. Truly a rare, natural, actor and person in general. Such a shame he's no longer with us. He did great at becoming Plutarch!
Wait a minute, the actor passed away?
@@gigit8234yeah I think he died of a drug overdose I’m I’m not mistaken. He died while the last movie was being filmed so they had to write him out
@@meredith6647 ohh, never knew about that. Thankss
@@gigit8234 the last scenes of him in the movie, such as Coin's death, are edited with CGI because he had passed away before filming them. A really tragic death for a respected actor
@@osasunaitor wow, sad to think that he wasn’t there to wrap the movie trilogy but glad that he left some legacy behind for the last time
Plutarch is the embodiment of learning all the rules in order to break ‘em
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Of course. It's fun to do as well.
Plutarch is probably the most important piece of the rebellion. He knows all along that Katniss will eventually turn on coin which is exactly what he wants. He knows that coin is corrupt just like snow but that he has to work with her for the rebellion.
Yes , Loved Him in the Movies
I liked him. He was one of those characters that seem to understand Katnis's nature
Yeah. Too bad not many people give Plutarch the attention and respect that he deserves.
Other than Cinna
@@nmoney6655"one of those" bot the only one
@@nmoney6655 and Haymitch
Plutarch Heavensbee is the ultimate Gamemaker.
He tricked both Presdient Snow and President Coin into playing his own end game, and they played along like mere tributes.
Suprised he didn't become president like what palpatine did himself
I think it was phenomenal for Plutarch to believe in the cause of revolution from the beginning because he lived in the Capitol and was a game maker. All he had to do was to stay out of the conflict and continued his luxurious life. But there he was, doing everything he could to make this revolution work and he did. I think he was really good at observing people. He knew Katniss really well but also Coin. He wasn't surprised at all when Katniss killed Coin, like it was part of his plan all along.
I love how he acknowledged at the end to Katniss that despite the war being over, and that they'll enter that sweet period of never repeating what happened ever again, yet humans are fickle and have a gift for self-destruction. It's fuck me - it's exactly what's happening now in the real world. Especially in Europe.
Plutarch is one of those characters you sort of forget about, but he's actually a character that does a lot of important things. Thanks for making a video on him! Could I suggest a Primrose Everdeen video?
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Theory: Plutarch's parents are Hilarious Heavensbee and Lysistrata Vickers from TBOSBAS
They both mentored tributes in the 10th hunger games, Lysistrata always felt sympathy for the tributes especially after Jessup jumped in to protect her from the arena explosion, she also hated having to watch the tributes killing eachother
Her sympathy for the district's could've influenced Plutarchs decision to side with them in the 2nd rebellion
This makes a lot of sense.
I’m afraid this guy never felt sympathy for anyone(
Sounds about right. She's one of the few students partaking in the mentorship that had the same ideology as Seganus. It wouldn't be hard to believe that she raised her kids to have that same kind of sympathy
I was wondering why no one brought up Hilarious.
We need the proof that this is true which it is obviously
What I loved about the movies is that in the end haymitch read the letter to katniss and supported her not plutarch.. it completes the circle of haymitch being her mentor and watching over her all the time
It was probably recorded after Philip Seymour Hoffman's death :( Plutarch doesn't appear that much in Mockingbird part2 either.
Thats because he died before he could deliver his final lines so that letter was a compromise from the movie writers to make it seem like he was busy with the rebellion.
Something I wished they did in the “catching fire” movie was adding the bread that Plutarch gave to beetee because I feel like it was a kinda important bit like how much time they had left to escape idk I really wished they added that in the movie
i agree. in the books that how finnick, johanna, and beetee know exactly the time and date they are going to break out of the arena. leaving that part out of the movie doesn’t really make sense.
I wished they used the little foreshadowing about the watch with the mockingjay on it. But, everywhere people say that it was too much of foreshadowing and that they wanted to keep the twist of Plutarch being behind the rebellion a secret. But, it was really important and I wish they had put it in.
@@UnderstandablyCliche watch catching fire with the commentary the director explains why they did not have that scene
I love plutarch as a character, while reading the books and watching the movies I was always confused on whether I should trust him or not which made him very interesting
I like characters like Plutarch. They always are superinteresting and you never know what they might do/use next
Ikr. I didn't know whether to trust or distrust Plutarch but after going through the books, I realize that he's really good at hiding his involvement in the rebellion which makes him that much cooler!!
@@auggiejaime3820Plutarch reminds me of Merrit Rook in a way
One of my favorite scenes in the hunger games EVER is after the war but before the epilogue and Peeta Katniss and Haymitch are eating together watching Paylor get sworn in and Haymitch said “ there’s Plutarch right in the middle! And they say no one ever wins the games.” Just that final bit! No one wins the games! *squeals and chill bumps*
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What’s so special about that?
@@tw3f4tes52 Bc the term “no one ever wins the games” refers to the trauma and lasting injury’s that you obtain, and the war was considered like the 76th game. Everyone had lasting consequences, everyone lost something, but Plutarch didn’t. He was in charge before the world, dying the war, and after it
@@tw3f4tes52 my absolute favorite quote in the book series was: There are still moments where I wake up screaming of nightmares of lost children and Mutts and he still clutches a chair in the dining room and refuses to let go and after when he asks you love me real or not real I say real “ it shows though they have severe PTSD that will never fully heal they can still get over it
My favourite "quote" from the films is when Peeta and Katniss start their victors tour and while arriving at a district they catch a quick glimpse from the train of the words THE ODDS ARE NEVER IN OUR FAVOR mysteriously written on a wall.
For me, this quote marked the turning point in the saga, it's the moment I realised this is not just about some hunger games, it's about something much much deeper that is now starting to unfold.
I always got the feeling that he knew being a game maker was a temporary thing as they all end up like Seneca crane. He used the rebellion as an ultimate game maker challenge.
I don’t think they all died like Seneca. Seneca was punished for having 2 victors and not killing Katniss and/or Peeta before they influenced the rebellion. As long as you do your job, you probably get rewarded with power like Gaul and Snow were.
Ive never seen anyone talk about this character, it's great your shining some light on him!
Yes. Finally someone giving Plutarch the attention and praise that he deserves.
It amazes me how people overlook how integral he was to the rebellion
Haymitch also warned her to not go to the hospital, and Haymitch gave Katniss a lecture for not only taking off the earpiece but also going to the hospital and even threatened to get the doctors to put in a silver chip by her ear and she would have to listen to his voice 24/7.
0:35 I love these disclaimers, because you're right, there are differences. This leads me to ask, though, would you be willing to do a four-part breakdown of all the differences between the Hunger Games books and movies, similar to the Harry Potter series? I'd know I'd definitely be interested. Same with a Percy Jackson breakdown, just for the lols.
He says that all the time. We know it's by the books. Why wouldn't it? He's gotta stop, we aren't simple.
@@bessieburnet9816 cause a LOT of people don’t read the books. You would surprised how many tell him he’s wrong cause they base it off the movies.
@@mae9507 and on the flip side he always has to reassure people when he's specifically talking about the films because if he doesn't he'll get 100+ people in the comments whining that he's wrong because they're basing their knowledge on the books.
It's ridiculous that he has to say these things over and over but it's a direct result of ignorant commenters and their shenanigans.
Plutarch reminds me a lot of Severus Snape I mean honestly like their stories are very similar, to people that nobody trusts, everyone thinks they’re on the bad side, nobody trust them, both the good side and the bad side are questioning whether they should be trusted, but in the end they both are on the good side, and fighting for the right reasons, now I don’t know if heavens be lost someone like Severus did, but their stories to me and to a friend of mine for a lot of friends of mine who are door potter heads and hunger games fans think that they are so much alike in many ways it’s not even funny
He’s one Lily Potter away though - you don’t really get why he’s so set on accomplishing the incredible stuff he did
RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman (July 23, 1967 - February 2, 2014), age 46
You will be remembered as a legend
He died so young
I think it is quite funny he is named after a roman historian who altered his information depending on the narrative he wanted to tell, quite fitting for a man who is adapting things to his narratives
I had no idea Plutarch is named a roman historian!
I don't think that was an accident...
Eh? Plutarch was a Greek philosopher. Unless there was someone else from Rome with the same name.
@@Boundwithflame23 my bad, was a greek historian
With Suzanne Collins being a fan of greek and roman mythology, this is likely not a coincidence.
i love how in depth you are and it’s obvious how much you care about these books and films. every time i watch any of your videos i get the urge to reread the series you’re talking about
Plutarch fought for a right cause, but that doesn't automatically make him a good person.
I agree. After all he's done things that weren't on good terms but I can forgive him for that
Absolutely, he served himself before all. If he had to destroy a democracy and establish a dictature to gain more power, he would have done it without hesitation. Things juste happened to present the other way round.
He’s the would-be Snow or Coin that tends to slip under the radar and remain undetected. They are more dangerous than an entire army.
@@brianbommarito3376basically someone close to Negan I see pluctarch
"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? Everything!" ―Luthen Rael
I can't even describe how much I enjoy watching your videos, keep up the good work!
One of the best casting choices in the series, up there with Donald Sutherland as Snow. Seymour Hoffman was such a captivating actor who pretty much stole every scene hes in. Couldn't think of anyone else better to bring Plutarch to life.. Fly high Phillip, thanks for everything 🕊
Just finished a HG movie marathon over the weekend and I finished this time around having a different perspective of Plutarch. I wondered like many others after watching BSOAS, how exactly a Capitol old money Heavensbee like him ended up wanting change? While he was all in for a noble cause, at the end of the day, he is a game maker. He was willing to sacrifice who were likely old friends (the victors) to give him the outcome he wants. He had a play in innocent civilians dying. He put a 16 year old girl through hell and said he’d do it all over again for the same outcome. A few things I’ve read on him since going down this Plutarch rabbit hole:
1. I caught little details in the movie I didn’t notice before… like how he knew Coin’s speeches so he probably wrote them (because he is an expert at propaganda). I read a fan theory that perhaps Plutarch wrote Coin’s “may your aim be as true as your heart is pure” as a way to get katniss to shoot at Coin instead of Snow.
2. Suzanne Collins had said in an interview that Plutarch has seen his colleagues such as Seneca Crane die, and he wonders when the mad king (Snow) will decide he’s next. This is a brilliant assessment of Plutarch imo.
3. read another theory maybe it was Plutarch’s idea to have Coin suggest another HG and have Katniss realize she was a danger to Panem. We know that Plutarch played Snow like a fiddle… possible he could have done that to Coin too.
4. Forgot who but someone said about Plutarch “and there’s Plutarch in the middle of it all” “And they say no one ever wins the games.” He really seems to be the only one who “won” the games. I do wonder what the psychological effects of these games/war were on him, but he seems pretty desensitized to death and violence if he’s so willing to sacrifice so many people for the outcome he wants.
Was Plutarch aware of Coin’s plan of using Prim as bait for the bombing scheme?
That's a good question. 🤔
Probably not as he would have stopped it
In the book he obviously was. Movies made him seem like a good guy
In the books, president snow tells Katniss that Plutarch played a role in the bombs
@@rnsw4572 But was Plutarch specifically aware that Prim was going to be used in the bombings?
Plutarch Heavensbee is the living embodiment of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”
Can you do a series where you find the differences between the hunger games books and movies
This is what I do with every series 🤣
I go through the books and then watch the movies to see the difference and pretty much complain the entire time 😂
It’s actually really funny sometimes
I was JUST about to ask the same thing.
Rest In Peace brother , and may your next life be better than this
I have been waiting for another hunger games video for so long thank you
Philip Seymour Hoffman was fantastic. I wish he hadn’t died, he was so gifted.
I'm honestly in love with the work you do I can only imagine how long it took make the content in your videos and I honestly look forward to each one.
Relistening to this, I wonder if he’ll be the protagonist in Sunrise on the Reaping due to his character arc around propaganda
I honestly think that Suzanne should have written about Plutarch instead of Coriolanus Snow in her new book, "the ballad of songbird and snakes" with the same premise, both come from the capital and worked their way up with one obvious difference that being while Plutarch isnt a "good guy" he atleast wasn't responsible for killing thousands. Having read the book with Snow as the protagonist i felt it was very inaccurate to his character as we know him.
I actually think they took so long scene setting before the games, that the end was rushed, and so no real developing on how he became president, who he poisoned.He went back, and that was it.
@thefilmsett right?! I thought we would get to read about evil snow slowly rising to the top as president. Maybe there will be a sequel to the prequel idk.
@@Isabella-bj2kd Yep Exactly or at least him getting into politics.
What's stopping her from doing both? Wings of Fire has something called Winglets. Short stories about different characters. Suzanne could do something like that.
It was his idea to bomb the capital children and the rebels medic, but coin got all the blame and lost her life. He then "helped" Katniss out in her trial so Katniss won't go after him. He is basically the little finger of THG franchise
He is the one who had it propagated but it was Coin’s idea.
He posted the videos and probably realized that coin probably was responsible but decided to make the best of it. He was a saint or good guy but he seem to try his best in what ever way he did it
Dude I just got done with one of your videos and then I got a notification. A new video? I love it!!
Love your videos! I stay up all night watching them!
Hey Morgan! Doing a good job 👏 appreciate your determination 👍
Plutarch reminds very much of Pericles, Master of Propaganda and a great Orator also having perfect knowledge of in politics and an important part of Athens like Plutarch was to Panem.
For those who don't know, "bread and circuses" in Latin is "Panem et circenses".
Exactly. Panem is literally breads and circuses in so many ways, the nation's name, the tesserae, the hunger games, the totalitarian government, it's all based on romans
You forget how good of a character Plutarch really was, especially in the books.
Hey there, I love your contents and this channel a lot ❤️
Keep up the good work. Thanks for the video
Love these hunger games videos dude! Can’t wait for more!
Hoffman’s death here in the finger lakes region was a shock to us all.
I’m actually a big huge fan of the hunger games it’s actually one of my favourite novels and I actually read the books differently because even though the books are printed in ordinary print they’re also in braille for anyone that’s blind or visually impaired so that’s how I read the books and I also read them as audiobooks as well
RIP our man Philip Seymour Hoffman
YESSS MORE HUNGER GAMES CONTENT/LORE!! Thank You Very Much
It was mentioned in Catching Fire that Plutarch thought that Katniss was going to be a Mentor
man he was hardly talked about but when he does he such an interesting genius and very intriguing to read.
In a way, Plutarch kinda reminds me of Snape
If you look closely, he bears a a slight resemblance to him.
Thank you for posting the video. I've wondered about him.
We not going to talk about the fact that Hilarious Heavensbee was in the 10th Hunger Games as a mentor and Plutarch just HAPPENS to share the same last name?
I was waiting for your next hunger games video!!! You didn’t disappoint as usual 😩
As all the tragic heros in the Hunger Games, you deserve more Bro. Well done with your channel !!
love your videos, keep it up Morgan
I think people are going too far in saying Plutarch is a "good man", he literally helped Coin kill a bunch of children. I'd say he was an opportunist who wanted power, which is why he helped the rebellion and in the end he to rewarded by becoming an important figure in politics. If he sided with the Capitol, then he'd likely just be a games runner and likely wouldn't move up the social latter as much as he could. He's more like Snow, he helps kill children as a means to an end. He's not going to get behind more killing children in a second hunger games since it doesn't really benefit him or society. He makes no moves to remove Coin even though it's very obvious she'd be a cruel leader like Snow. If he really did care about the well-being of all people he would have a better leader to replace Coin. He's not a good man, he's an amoral man. He will back whichever leader he can maintain the most power under.
While I feel you make a compelling point and to an extent I agree with you, the fact that when Katniss put shot the arrow into Coin instead of Snow was “no shocker” to Plutarch, I’d wager he knew good and well Katniss would taken Coin down eventually the same as she brought Snow down.
And considering his disdain for such things like the Hunger Games, I have my doubts he was in on the plan to bomb the children.
Regardless, I won’t deny he seems the type to back whoever can advance his standing, no doubt he has his limits on what he’ll allow in who he backs. After all, if he purely wanted power and station over all else, why not keep playing Snow like a fiddle to his advantage to keep himself as Snow’s right hand man and sell out the rebellion?
@@emperorrevan6992also i would actually argue that he DID have a back up. i really do think he wanted paylor to be elected all along, the way he phrased the letter saying he wasn’t surprised at all that katniss would shot coin, proved for me that he was just using coin like he did with snow. he knew he needed her and 13 just like he needed katniss to make a revolution. but he never wanted coin to end up being president. another thing that hints that plutarch always wanted someone like paylor for president is that we see him on screen when she is elected showing that he is in on her party. and haymitch even ironically says sth like „ and they say nobody ever wins“ because plutarch actually won. he played them all. and ended up with the result he wanted. if he was so cruel i don’t think he would have rooted for someone like paylor to be president. who immediately abolished the hunger games, destroyed the arenas and set up memories for the fallen tributes. i think he would have ended up with way more power if he stayed with snow or coin since he worked so close to both of them and could manipulate them form the shadows, to achieve the results he wanted.
@hiitsnana You don’t have more power under a dictator like snow or coin, because they can just axe you at any time for any reason (including something silly like rampant paranoia). Plutarch wants the absolute freedom to pursue his goals (whatever they are, I’m not entirely sure), and overthrowing the dictatorship is the only way to obtain something close to that. And another nice upside is that if you commit horrible crimes and get caught for it under a democracy, the worst you suffer (usually) is prison for life. And in the movies, he also cares at least somewhat for the well-being of others, but even then he’s not the type to sacrifice himself for the cause. But book Plutarch is as self-interested as they come.
@@lawrencehu7654Well bad people always survive in hunger games and IRL,it is not really that surprising
3 finger salute to his actor :( He didn’t live to see the fourth film finished
RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman🙏🏻 Such a terrific actor!
What if Katniss missed the apple-
I think we all need a life of rue.
Love how this video came out just as I started reading Mockingjay XD
Your videos are amazing!! Keep it up.
I don’t think calling him a kind man because he offered soup. He’s a master at communication and making people feel trust towards him
Video idea: review Christian Blanco’s hunger games fan fiction!
Thing with Plutarch’s loyalty, despite how he sympathetic he is at times, deep down his loyalty is to himself. When you think about it, Katniss and the other victors are kind of the same, though more loyal to their loved ones.
I love your videos Morgan, and thanks for letting me see it’s okay to be different in middle school. Again sorry for having to write this again.
You really understand storytelling and characters
Thxs for your hard work making these videos.
Basically the Snape of the Hunger Games
in the prequel book, in the academy high school there's "Heavensbee hall" and one of the student mentors also was a Heavensbee - so he has a long lineage!
This guy has the best youtube channel ever
The Divergent and The Maze Runner trilogy movies and novels be good for videos.
he was forgotten but very important
You guys did a great job on your Hunger Games fan film.
Yes, please. More Hunger Games stuff!
I think he’ll be a big part of Sunrise on the Reaping
Philip Seniors Hoffman is who I'd envisioned would be a great cast for Lydo Bagman in Harry Potter. God rest his soul.
I think the whole watch situation is kind of for shadowing the the arena being a clock
Ty for sharing this. Lots of good info and your mic rocks (I have the same one)!
Not knowing where his allegiances where makes him remind me of SNAPE of the Harry Potter series 💜
Except that he’s way better than Snape, lol.
@@johnnyd3158 Heck yeah!!!
@@johnnyd3158rent free
I would also like to see a video on Prim, and I also want to say thank you for having reliably good content.
Ikr. Primrose definitely deserves a video of her own
Please make deep dive videos about The Hunger Games novels; similar to your Harry Potter videos.
I still remeber the day i watch the hunger games on thankgiving of 2012 after one of my friends had already read the book and said it was amazing. After watching i read the trilogy and realized prims death was caused by the rebellion and was deeply saddened by this. Its understandable to save the nation but terrible for katniss. Anyone who had anything to do with that bombing is still a terrible person to me. The person that was the key to the rebellion lost everything. Her lover, her sister, all of her friends.
YES HUNGER GAMES IS BACK
Morgan you are truly amazing your dedicated wonderful to watch and it’s clear you know what your talking about I’m forever grateful for your amazing contributions you helped me out of s very dark place and practically saved my life. Hope you have an excellent rest of your career.
Love you 😊
I wish that Susan Collins will make an sorta of Books there writes more in detail the lifes of some most iconic characters of Hunger Games, including obviously Plutarch Heavensbee
It's kind of the perfect meld between someone who's been brainwashed there by their society and someone who hasn't, it's not like the perfect brainwashing and societal pressure have nothing on him because they do a little he's got a bit of the capital conditioning he's still manipulative he still sees things mostly a spectacle, but it also proves that people can be good people in ways that a lot of capital people wouldn't, honestly a lot of the capital people seem to be decent like everybody in the prep team they're kind of immature and silly but besides loving the hunger games they're just sort of like as katniss herself says they're like children
I also think he did not know Prim was gonna be at the bombing
Plutarch, especially his portrayal in the films, reminds me a lot of Steve Bannon
Day something I forgot of asking movie flame to make a podcast
The title better be a reference to 2012s The Master
He might just be one of my favorite Hunger games characters besides Peeta and Cinna. I really loved Prim and Rue too.
My heart broke when I heard of Hoffmann death 🙏🏽
Interesting insights! I enjoy your videos!
Heavensbee basically won the game of thrones
Indeed
Great video. It reminded me of how much I miss Phillp Seymour Hoffman.
Soooo, does that mean Plutarch knew Prim was going to die too??
I think I speak for all of us when I say that when Katniss and Peeta finally fell in love I was so happy
Next series are differences between hunger games books and movies!!
RIP PLUTARCHS ACTOR