Great video and great times with the son. I have had many bikes over the years and I absolutely love riding my mini moto (Vader 125). Stay safe and keep making memories
Hi armchair bikers , like yourself , we enjoy the small bikes as well as big capacity stuff , the small bikes are a riot , we’ve groms , monkeys , benelli tnts , I’d buy the cf moto papio if it comes to England , if not I’m tempted by a Honda dax , my opinion groms are the best road bikes , monkey is most comfortable , the benellis I brought one because I’d always liked them , and to compare the the Hondas , I must say I like them and I’m impressed , great review by the way 🏍🏍👍👍
Great review on the Papio !! In case I didn't hear you , how is the suspension front / rear vs. the Grom ? Is is stiff / soft / bottom out easy ? Thanks !!!
Video 👍👍 Papio is intriguing but the styling is off to me. I think the six speed tranny is overkill. I think it has potential to become a contender for 3rd or maybe second with some refinement
Aftermarket, parts, resale, cost of ECU flash makes the grom a win. cjr grom flash is still 99usd, dhm is 159usd. Cheapest papio flash i can find is 399usd. That erases any msrp savings.
Be honest with me, do I cancel my Grom pre order (no clue when I'm getting one) and get one of these? They're available right now, and they look awesome. Only thing I'm skeptical about is I've heard the breaks aren't great.
Personally I love my Grom, but after spending some time on the Papio and collectively we have put 1,000 miles on it, I honestly think it's a good alternative if you are tired of waiting around for a Grom to come in. Also, the brakes are plenty good, you just have to let the pads break in. When you first get on the bike, the pads are brand new and will feel weak but after some use they will feel fine. This is the case with all brand new brake pads regardless of the bike.
I'm about to cancel my grom and get a Papio since they're in stock. I've been waiting months upon months for my grom and it just keeps getting pushed. I guess i can always get a grom later on in life if one pops up. I just need something to practice on.
Ya Groms are hard to come by these days, plus some dealers are marking them up. For whatever reason our local dealer is having a much easier time getting CF Moto products compared to anything Japanese
I agree. The date for the Grom coming in stock keeps getting pushed back. After looking at these and finding out that my local dealer isn't price gouging on them, I'm definitely going for the Papio The big decision now is trying to decide which color I like better.
@@Metalbass1979 yeah I’m considering it myself. My dealership is saying end of august for my grom but since I could get a papio for like I dunno, maybe 3,800 or less. I think they’re 2,999 here starting. I paid 4,372 for my grom.
I wish Lifan would make their kp mini 150 Fuel injected. But still a great bike. Not too Familiar with this new bike he’s comparing to the Grom I don’t know if it’s fuel injected or not
I had a kawaski zpro 125 and it was cool but in my mid 60’s and even with a bride seat it was very uncomfortable for me to ride , I went to a Navi 110 and it’s so much more comfortable but only getting 45 to 50 mph and I want to at least to 65 , I’m thinking about something like the kymco spade or the benilli 135 or the Lifan 150
Most all so called Japanese bikes are made in China you can reference that on Auto-Chen click auto or motorcycle type in manufacturer.....they only carry a Japanese name.
The Papio is as comfortable as the NAVI and can go 60 mph! I traded my NAVI in for a PAPIO and because the new retro Papio is coming out, I got my 2023 Papio for $2499! OTD for $3,400.00
Thanks so much for thinking of us! We stepped away for a little while for some personal endeavors but we will be getting back into the swing of things soon. Hope your new year is off to a good start!
It looks like a little hornet! I want to buy a scooter or minimoto next year. This is a bike I can get in Canada. Some of those Chinese bikes are weird like the speedo mounted on the gas tank-you can't take your eyes off the road even for a second. This one looks good.
The Papio is a little less efficient than the Grom, we've been getting around 90mpg with it, and my father is the one who's been riding it the most, he weighs around 210 pounds. The Groms are always 100+ mpg
The Grom is kind of the household name for anything small bore, but there are plenty Chinese or Taiwanese equivalents that are just as good or in some cases better depending on what you're looking for
I absolutely loved my kp mini… one of the best minis out there.. they cost like 1300 dollars in Colombia too. Saw them when I visited and was like wtf there’s my kp mini!
What's cost diffrence out the door after taxes freight pdi etc compared to grom then I'll make my decision thing is a honda resells everytime doubt u could sell this used sad to say how Chinese bikes are no one buys them used
I have a Kawasaki Z125 and a PAPIO 126. The six speeds let you go about 10MPH faster. But the Z125 has anti-lock brakes and purrs like a kitten. The Papio engine vibrates and is not nearly as refined. I am hoping the 2024 Z125 has two more gears? KAWASAKI needs to do that!!!!
They may be great, but the biggest problem with CF Moto is the dealer network or more importantly lack of. I bought one, then the next thing I know he is out of business. Said they just did not sell in our area. People think since they are Chinese they must be junk. I hear they sell fine in some states, but I live in Harley land, that is about all you see around here.
I have 11 dealers in the Phoenix area that sell and work on CFMOTOs. They sponsor and compete in Moto3. They have been hot sellers in Asia and Europe for 4 years (for bikes) and since 2006 in the US for side-by-sides. In July 2023 they bought more than 50% of of Pierer (who owns KTM). Partner with KTM and build many of their (and other manufacturers) engines. And, when talking to dealers, they can't keep them on the showroom floor as they sell very quickly. It's too bad that Harley Land (where is that?) is depriving you of so much fun.
I've got Z125Pro, and it's better than Grom. Grom has more torque down low, otherwise worse in every aspect. When Riding Grom, I felt like on a rattled bicycle whereas my Z feels like a proper motorbike, including much better suspension, seat and what not. Explains why I put more miles on my Kawi alone than half the town combined on their pos Groms with every mod available on the market. On the side note, no grom yet beat my stock Z on track either. For whatever reason people praise Groms and regard to everything else as a copy where other than the approximate square size bikes have absolutely nothing copied of Honda.
Benelli is Chinese made. Styled in Italy. China is a huge country with many different manufacturers and a horrible government. Many manufacturers are low quality - but some make very good products.
IDK I find it's a more comfortable mini moto .... I'm Louisiana we can find them for 1500-2000 vs the grom for about 4k and I'm talking new ones used market they both seem to go for about a grand
I thought CF moto was produced in Taiwan? Im not 100 percent on that. Stuff produced in Taiwan is of WAY better quality then anything coming out of china. I know Kawasaki has some of there quads produced under license for them by cf moto.
I definitely don’t have all the facts memorized, but I believe you’re confusing CF Moto with Kymco. Kymco builds stuff in Taiwan and produces some small engines for Kawasaki like the motor in the Z125. CF Moto is all Chinese as far as I know. Thanks for watching!
When compared against Google Maps, the Papio speedometer is consistently displaying a speed 2-3 mph faster. The Grom speedometer is slightly better and displays a speed 1-2 mph faster than gps.
@@armchairbikerstv what has been yout top speed? i saw another review said he got 69mph stock. i know its a 6 speed but thats way faster than a grom and can oyu imagine what it would do with exhaust and tuned? so i have my doubts it gets above 55
@@warrenpeas We both have groms and have actually gotten them to 73mph (according to speedometer) with a slight downhill. The Papio keeps up with no problem, so 69-70mph actual speed is achievable, just depends on rider weight, wind, and whether or not you're going downhill. I will say that most of the time we find ourselves cruising at 55mph
It's Chinese but not chinesium, they're not building these cheap, they're building them to compete with the Japanese companies but need to sell them cheaper to get people in the seats
Great video and great times with the son. I have had many bikes over the years and I absolutely love riding my mini moto (Vader 125). Stay safe and keep making memories
Thanks so much for watching!
well i think your vid. was good and glad to see us old timers are still riding look for moor vids. by the way i am 80 and my Groom is 2015
Awesome to hear you’re still riding! Thanks for watching!
Great video, you and your dad do a thorough job. Thanks
Hey you have the same name as the guy in the video, haha!
Thank you! Nice to see another Buzz on here lmao! More rides and updates coming in the future!
lol, I did get a kick out of his boomer buzz name. also love the Mr pappy name, nice job.
The Patio sounds good 👍
It's a very attractive looking bike. Your review is very helpful. Im totally on the fence now. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Looks like it would be a blast to ride
Hi armchair bikers , like yourself , we enjoy the small bikes as well as big capacity stuff , the small bikes are a riot , we’ve groms , monkeys , benelli tnts , I’d buy the cf moto papio if it comes to England , if not I’m tempted by a Honda dax , my opinion groms are the best road bikes , monkey is most comfortable , the benellis I brought one because I’d always liked them , and to compare the the Hondas , I must say I like them and I’m impressed , great review by the way 🏍🏍👍👍
Great review on the Papio !! In case I didn't hear you , how is the suspension front / rear vs. the Grom ? Is is stiff / soft / bottom out easy ? Thanks !!!
I hear it's comparable to the Grom, which another reviewer called a little spongy.
Video 👍👍
Papio is intriguing but the styling is off to me. I think the six speed tranny
is overkill. I think it has potential to become a contender for 3rd or maybe second with some refinement
Thanks for watching! We have mixed feelings on the 6 speed but we might play around with some different sized sprockets
Aftermarket, parts, resale, cost of ECU flash makes the grom a win. cjr grom flash is still 99usd, dhm is 159usd. Cheapest papio flash i can find is 399usd. That erases any msrp savings.
CF Moto Papio vs Benelli TNT 135? which is better for you?
Be honest with me, do I cancel my Grom pre order (no clue when I'm getting one) and get one of these? They're available right now, and they look awesome. Only thing I'm skeptical about is I've heard the breaks aren't great.
Personally I love my Grom, but after spending some time on the Papio and collectively we have put 1,000 miles on it, I honestly think it's a good alternative if you are tired of waiting around for a Grom to come in. Also, the brakes are plenty good, you just have to let the pads break in. When you first get on the bike, the pads are brand new and will feel weak but after some use they will feel fine. This is the case with all brand new brake pads regardless of the bike.
Papio XO is going to be so sick
I really hope we can get our hands on one sometime soon!
interesting thing, Papio got its XO version and it have boxy sport fairing and undertail muffler + it launched in China on this March 2023
I saw that recently and I really hope they bring it to the U.S. market. There would be nothing else like it
@@armchairbikerstv i wish they bring it to Indonesia market too, 125cc manual are really popular here
@@haruharu0w0 Thanks for watching! It’s great to hear from people all around the globe!
I'm about to cancel my grom and get a Papio since they're in stock. I've been waiting months upon months for my grom and it just keeps getting pushed. I guess i can always get a grom later on in life if one pops up. I just need something to practice on.
Ya Groms are hard to come by these days, plus some dealers are marking them up. For whatever reason our local dealer is having a much easier time getting CF Moto products compared to anything Japanese
@@armchairbikerstv same here. All I am seeing lately are CFMotos. I just sat on a few of their I think CXL-700’s and adventuras.
@@ramblinjay3816 The NK 300 is another bike that has our attention
I agree. The date for the Grom coming in stock keeps getting pushed back. After looking at these and finding out that my local dealer isn't price gouging on them, I'm definitely going for the Papio
The big decision now is trying to decide which color I like better.
@@Metalbass1979 yeah I’m considering it myself. My dealership is saying end of august for my grom but since I could get a papio for like I dunno, maybe 3,800 or less. I think they’re 2,999 here starting. I paid 4,372 for my grom.
I like this papio but I like the grom just because gonna have all the custom parts u can do which to me makes it better
Yes much more customization for the Grom currently. Thanks for watching!
@@armchairbikerstv Talking about the aftermarket parts to customize this bike. Which exhaust would you recommend me for my Papio?
I wish Lifan would make their kp mini 150 Fuel injected. But still a great bike. Not too Familiar with this new bike he’s comparing to the Grom I don’t know if it’s fuel injected or not
How does this one compare to the bintelli beast 150
I'd love to answer that but we personally haven't had any experience with that bike. Thanks for watching!
I had a kawaski zpro 125 and it was cool but in my mid 60’s and even with a bride seat it was very uncomfortable for me to ride , I went to a Navi 110 and it’s so much more comfortable but only getting 45 to 50 mph and I want to at least to 65 , I’m thinking about something like the kymco spade or the benilli 135 or the Lifan 150
The Kymco Spade is pretty comfortable with a nice flat seat and upright position, and noticeably more power than the 125’s. Thanks for watching!
Most all so called Japanese bikes are made in China you can reference that on
Auto-Chen click auto or motorcycle type in manufacturer.....they only carry a Japanese name.
The Papio is as comfortable as the NAVI and can go 60 mph! I traded my NAVI in for a PAPIO and because the new retro Papio is coming out, I got my 2023 Papio for $2499! OTD for $3,400.00
Go for the Papio! I'm 5'11", 160 lbs, 62 years old. The papio is fine on 55 mph streets.
9:28 apparently the Chinese scooters can do 10k+ miles with some care and maintenance.
Just checking in on you guys… haven’t seen any new content recently and hope all is well!
Thanks so much for thinking of us! We stepped away for a little while for some personal endeavors but we will be getting back into the swing of things soon. Hope your new year is off to a good start!
It looks like a little hornet! I want to buy a scooter or minimoto next year. This is a bike I can get in Canada. Some of those Chinese bikes are weird like the speedo mounted on the gas tank-you can't take your eyes off the road even for a second. This one looks good.
What is the gas mileage? Can you give your general weight?
The Papio is a little less efficient than the Grom, we've been getting around 90mpg with it, and my father is the one who's been riding it the most, he weighs around 210 pounds. The Groms are always 100+ mpg
Awesome
I got one too 😁
Nice! Thanks for watching!
I don’t know why people refer to any mini Motos as a Grom clone! I had a Lifan Kp mini 150 that was awesome. It would eat a Grom and not even belch
The Grom is kind of the household name for anything small bore, but there are plenty Chinese or Taiwanese equivalents that are just as good or in some cases better depending on what you're looking for
How reliable was your kp? Looking at getting one!
@@HarambeJawn That was the best damn bike. The young guys who bought it absolutely loved it
I absolutely loved my kp mini… one of the best minis out there.. they cost like 1300 dollars in Colombia too. Saw them when I visited and was like wtf there’s my kp mini!
@@HarambeJawn I absolutely ripped mine for 12k miles not one issue.. wheelies, dropped it many times. No issues
Wheres a good place to get one?
You'll have to find the closest CF Moto dealer near your area. If you go on their website they have a dealer locator
What's cost diffrence out the door after taxes freight pdi etc compared to grom then I'll make my decision thing is a honda resells everytime doubt u could sell this used sad to say how Chinese bikes are no one buys them used
I have a Kawasaki Z125 and a PAPIO 126. The six speeds let you go about 10MPH faster. But the Z125 has anti-lock brakes and purrs like a kitten. The Papio engine vibrates and is not nearly as refined. I am hoping the 2024 Z125 has two more gears? KAWASAKI needs to do that!!!!
Gas cap key access point is crooked lol.
Yeah, noticed that too 😬
Is this new bike Carbureted?
They may be great, but the biggest problem with CF Moto is the dealer network or more importantly lack of. I bought one, then the next thing I know he is out of business. Said they just did not sell in our area. People think since they are Chinese they must be junk. I hear they sell fine in some states, but I live in Harley land, that is about all you see around here.
Harley land.....no such thing....old verses young. You're only as old as bike you choose to ride.
I have 11 dealers in the Phoenix area that sell and work on CFMOTOs. They sponsor and compete in Moto3. They have been hot sellers in Asia and Europe for 4 years (for bikes) and since 2006 in the US for side-by-sides. In July 2023 they bought more than 50% of of Pierer (who owns KTM). Partner with KTM and build many of their (and other manufacturers) engines. And, when talking to dealers, they can't keep them on the showroom floor as they sell very quickly. It's too bad that Harley Land (where is that?) is depriving you of so much fun.
Are you in lake George?
Yes this was in Lake George. Thanks for watching!
@@armchairbikerstv I'm in longisand but we vacation there alot great video.
I was just going to ask the same, looks like Bolton landing. I live in glens falls!
He said "grom is the pinnacle" and hes right! Check out my grom on my channel its a 2018
Its hard to beat a Honda! Thanks for watching!
I think If Lifan and some other mini motos would come out with fuel injection it would make a big difference
I've got Z125Pro, and it's better than Grom. Grom has more torque down low, otherwise worse in every aspect. When Riding Grom, I felt like on a rattled bicycle whereas my Z feels like a proper motorbike, including much better suspension, seat and what not. Explains why I put more miles on my Kawi alone than half the town combined on their pos Groms with every mod available on the market. On the side note, no grom yet beat my stock Z on track either. For whatever reason people praise Groms and regard to everything else as a copy where other than the approximate square size bikes have absolutely nothing copied of Honda.
But does it wheelie
Yes!
The papi looks better
Benelli is Chinese made. Styled in Italy. China is a huge country with many different manufacturers and a horrible government. Many manufacturers are low quality - but some make very good products.
126cc
Chinese bike = COUNT ME OUT... Papio MSRP for $3000. Honda Grom for $4000. Buying the Grom is a no brainer!
The cf moto is canadian
You know the Honda bikes are also manufactured in china? 😉
@denttime thailand
IDK I find it's a more comfortable mini moto .... I'm Louisiana we can find them for 1500-2000 vs the grom for about 4k and I'm talking new ones used market they both seem to go for about a grand
It says in the manual not to go over 4,000 rpm for first 300 miles. So you rev its tits off with zero miles on it 😂
Hell yeah brother
honda grom is made in thailand.
I thought CF moto was produced in Taiwan? Im not 100 percent on that. Stuff produced in Taiwan is of WAY better quality then anything coming out of china. I know Kawasaki has some of there quads produced under license for them by cf moto.
I definitely don’t have all the facts memorized, but I believe you’re confusing CF Moto with Kymco. Kymco builds stuff in Taiwan and produces some small engines for Kawasaki like the motor in the Z125. CF Moto is all Chinese as far as I know. Thanks for watching!
please gps confirm top speeds.
When compared against Google Maps, the Papio speedometer is consistently displaying a speed 2-3 mph faster. The Grom speedometer is slightly better and displays a speed 1-2 mph faster than gps.
@@armchairbikerstv what has been yout top speed? i saw another review said he got 69mph stock. i know its a 6 speed but thats way faster than a grom and can oyu imagine what it would do with exhaust and tuned? so i have my doubts it gets above 55
@@warrenpeas We both have groms and have actually gotten them to 73mph (according to speedometer) with a slight downhill. The Papio keeps up with no problem, so 69-70mph actual speed is achievable, just depends on rider weight, wind, and whether or not you're going downhill. I will say that most of the time we find ourselves cruising at 55mph
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Watch this for an example of our top speeds
HAHAHAHHA.. No.
I would have watched your video but your music was so bad I stopped.
Off to a better choice.
Ok haha. Let me know what music you listen to and I'll incorporate it in our next video
You lost me when you said "Chinese".. No interest whatsoever.. no matter what
I think the Grom is manufactured in China
It's Chinese but not chinesium, they're not building these cheap, they're building them to compete with the Japanese companies but need to sell them cheaper to get people in the seats
@@jasonwilliams5046 Thailand.
Cf moto all the way