My husband and I were in a Latter Rain church in the 1970's. We came out of conservative churches. We have family that are missionaries that are latter rain in Hong Kong . We finally saw that their doctrine was not what the bible taught. Our family in Hong Kong is also close to Bethel Church in Redding, California. They also accept the NAR movement. Thank you so much for the amazing job and information you give us on all this history!!!!!
Holy smokes! The Milano family was close friends with my dad. I just spit out my coffee. I feel like I am in a surreal dream hearing all this! Suddenly, I know why something always felt weird around some of these people! My gut was right, all along!
You two have brought back so many memories from 50 years ago. My Dad's church rented a township hall for many years. It was the nicest building we had service in. Like the toilets always worked and there were plenty of tables for the potlucks. I also remember a man from India who stayed at our place and preached a couple times. He made a curry for us and gave my mother a beautiful crocheted tablecloth. I don't remember his name, though.
Some people get so angry when they find out the truth about whoever it is that they like, such as TL Osborne or Gordon Lindsay, and others. Instead of wanting to know the truth, they get angry and say you both are lying. It reminds me of how message people react to the truth about WMB.
So many people say WMB was scripturally sound but that his followers have twisted his teachings and that's where the evil in the message really comes from. No, it comes out of the mouth of WMB every time someone presses play.
I remember my family staying in the Ann Arbor church basement a couple times, when my Dad would be preaching for their revival meetings. I was 7-10 when we spent time there. And now I hear Johnson was a child molester!!! Thank you Lord for keeping me and my brother safe. Relief 😮 Glenda from the backwoods of northern Michigan 😊
@glt-e3n I've heard other stories about him. I can't say they are for sure true. But I was told some pretty bad things by someone who was in the Philippines with him.
Yes they did get along. I remember Samuel Johnson held a church camp in Michigan. I remember them being there, Perry Green, Frank,Eddie Byskal, and Lonnie Jenkins. I remember them. That was in the mid to late 70's.
I hope you are going to do an entire episode about Pearry Green. From just what i know about him so far, he was a very different person than i thought he was when I was in the message. Even though i never met him, his preaching tapes and one of the doctrines that he invented, i don't think he got it from WMB, had a very negative impact on my life.
It's interesting hearing the connection with the UPC. My family used to be in a UPCI church in Central Australia back between 1978 and 1980-ish. I was only 8 or 9 at the time, so I don't remember much, though I still have the KJV, my first of many Bibles, that was gifted to me by a missionary to the local Aboriginals. We left them in 1980 because we found out the assistant pastor's family were going to a non-UPCI friend's place and watching TV while everyone else dutifully observed the no-TV rules. Mum didn't take to that very well, in 1978 she'd divorced my father who was turning into a violent drunk (nothing to do with the church, he was nominally Catholic) and we left because she hated that kind of hypocrisy and wasn't in the mood for bad behaviour. I only found out recently that they are Oneness, something I consider heretical, and I'm not convinced by Charismatic doctrine, so I guess I'll never go back to them. 🤷♀ I'm not what you'd call a victim of them because of my youth and how little time we spent there, but it's interesting to hear about these connections - thanks for producing these videos.
Holy Cow! These names: Armond Nevel, Don Ruttle, Samuel Johnson, Peary Green, Ed Byskal…my Dad was friends with all of these guys. Many of them were part of monthly phone calls with my Dad. The churches Dad preached or pastored at supported some of their ministries. I feel validated and sick to my stomach all at the same time.
@yvonnecrozier4536 I bet that's him, I just remember him as being old and bald, lol. I was a young kid. It seemed to me that wilbur Hart's church in Anderson, indiana. Thought of him as an apostle.
George and his brother Ernest, they were the original elders at the Sharon orphanage. They were the leaders of the latter rain revival. They fellowship with all of us. They were part of independent Assemblies of God. We'll chat about them in future episodes too.
@yvonnecrozier4536 I looked up some things and I think it was Ernest hawtin. I remember as a young person I always thought it was strange that he would be living in California. The picture of him is pretty close to what I remembered. It's funny how you can remember things from so long ago. But can't remember what you had for breakfast.
Thanks so much for this super interesting video and for doing this series. I've been so curious how the message turned from what it was when WMB died to what it was when i joined in 1978 and to what it is now.
Jack Palmer was a close family friend. He had a church conference at the Macon, Georgia Opera House in the 70’s. I was 6 years old and sang with my pastors family during that time. It is crazy how far and wide this goes.
IT WAS QUITE AWHILE AFTER BRANHAMS DEATH THAT LONNY JENKINS STARTED THE CHURCH IN OHIO. HE WAS STILL IN A LANDSCAING BUSIENESS WITH DAVID GREEN IN TUCSON WHEN I LIVED THERE IN 1971.
Growing up AOG..I never knew of the Independent AOG! Grea5 and informative vid. So a guy from the north…wearing purple..would confirm he IS the new(est) Elijah,!! 😅 35:28
My family attended a church that started out in a old 1 room school house. Moved up to a old barn and then was held in houses. I didn't come from the other side. These people gave and gave and gave till they were poor. I find no humor in mocking them. I wish some of the people here making comments would have a little more compassion.
I'm sorry you feel like message people are being mocked. The compassion for them is why this whole thing exists. To help them know the truth about this cult. The people are sincere, good people, for the most part. Sometimes humor is used as a way to laugh at ourselves or deal with painful things. John, Charles, and many of the people leaving comments, including myself, were like the people you are describing ---we gave our whole lives to this evil thing. All of us that are in or used to be in this group were/are deceived and this channel exits to help people learn the truth and hopefully get out. It also exists to educate people about this group, including those of us who were in it. I've learned more about the message from this channel than I learned about it from the 28 years I was in it.
Wondering if the Hamons' church in Florida is a Message church. Bill Hamon is 90. I don't feel comfortable about them; maybe this is why. I know they are NAR and I have heard them mention Branham once.
@sharonhollis7890 Really? Do you remember Ann and Fred Smith? Their daughter was my best friend in high school and it was through her that I heard about the message and joined it.
People talk about the second Elijah. If a person now was Elijah, he would be the fourth Elijah, not the second, after Elijah, Elisha, John the Baptist, then the modern person. I've never understood why they talk about anyone being the second Elijah. That was Elisha.
Hi, greetings from New Zealand. Charles, you missed one that was in existence at the time of WMB's death - The Evangelistic Church of Christ in Christchurch, New Zealand (which had about 200 in regular attendance) was started in the late 1930's, and I have a tape from January 1965 somewhere here where one of the elders (Warwick French) in the church announces the death of "Our dear brother" WMB and observes that the church had benefitted from his ministry for many years. The church used to 'edit' the tapes to remove parts that appeared to be self-promotion or references to him being 'Elijah', and some aspects of doctrine were surgically removed from sermons. Printed sermons were available to people, which were transcripted by members of the church. Also, tapes were played to the entire congregation on occasion, in addition to the full-time ministry of the Pastor, W.E. Wilson, who had his roots in Smith Wigglesworth, and whose brothers (4 of them) started churches around NZ which were sympathetic to British Israelism. The church did not have its roots in any of the people who you name. It was unique. Pastor W.E. Wilson started up many churches around New Zealand, including one in Pukekohe and another in Dunedin. He was a remarkable man and his focus and emphasis was on preparing for the second coming of Jesus, and letting His perfect will be done in us. He wasn't strictly 'a message believer', but he did love it and felt that it added a lot of substance to his own teachings. There was also Camp David - a group in North Canterbury who adopted a communal lifestyle under the leadership of Bro. Doug Metcalf and subsequently under Bro. Daryl Williams and they too enjoyed WMB's ministry and I believe that this was also while he was alive or slightly after, as I know that they got the tapes from Bro. Reg Searle in Gisborne NZ who started the Gospel Tape Ministry. The Evangelistic Church of Christ went through a split in the early 1990's and one section of the church turned Pentecostal and became very modern charismatic but the other went deeper into the Message and to this day appreciates the message of William Branham. A few former members of both churches went to the more main-stream Message churches, such as Gospel Way Outreach, in Kaiapoi.
Thanks for sharing the information, I am aware of the churches in New Zealand. I would have considered them to be Latter Rain Churches at the time of William Branham's death. Perry Green and Billy Paul began interaction with the churches in New Zealand starting in about 1968. And mission outreach started happening in that Time in New Zealand and Australia. All of the early mission work was done primarily among people who already respected Branham as a prophet. But it was generally only with the missionary outreach after he died that they began to accept the more unique beliefs of the message. We'll speak to that in some future episodes. Back then the tapes only had two sources, And The tapes In possession there would have had to have come from the central institutions of the message, which were in the churches we mentioned. The fact that they had tapes back then, is it pretty good indication that they were connected to the Central institutions of the message. If you can find out the approximate year that they accepted William Branham as Elijah, I would love to hear! I'm sure they had by 1968 or '69. Thanks so much for sharing!
@@Charles-Paisley As far as I know, it was only in the 1990's that they (those from the Evangelistic Church of Christ) accepted him as Elijah .... and in fact, those references were deliberately edited out of the tapes by certain elders in the church who didn't hold to that doctrine but were aware of it. I don't know where they got the tapes from, but I do know that Pastor Wilson enjoyed them right through the 1950's onwards. Others who got the tapes through Reg Searle believed the Elijah message from the times that you specify, 1969. When I came into the Message in the early 1990's, it was already fragmented, so that there were parousia churches and non-parousia, and in fact, when I attended one of the parousia churches, I was told that I should fall flat on my face and repent because I had failed to accept that the pastor of that church (Kase Van Klink) was THE Word to Christchurch (by the then leader of Lee Vayle's old church in Ohio.... so I remember this clearly. :-) Later, Parnell's influence reached NZ and the Thunders wreaked havoc. Then about that time, the 'third pull' started to divide people, until the man pushing that ended his marriage and eloped with another woman.... It seems that there was a 'fourth pull' in his case....
@@Charles-Paisley Donald Parnell. It was mainly some North Island churches that got into him, or rather one especially. The main flavours here were 'the main sect' and Parousia, but the ECC was completely separate and unique.
Did Ed Byskal go on any of those hunting trips? It seems like i remember hearing him say that when he was preaching in Florida. I think i heard that many years ago. It's really creepy to think about now.
I'm new, I seen three of the teachings you share, my QUESTION: the individual who promote false teachers, as well preachers. Is their a curse on them and those they send out, or baptise someone that doesn't go to church ?
Ok, thanks fpr explaining, so John Collins has a lust and envybof Williman Branham hence they spend so muc time analysing and disecting this man's messages and life. It seems they have nothing else to do
Branham discredited himself. These guys, righteously indignant, are doing their best to objectively put the spotlight on that lack of credibility so folks can see what they’re getting themselves into.
Wow this man Branham must have been a such a great person and this Message these men are talking about must be very powerful or influential. So much time and attention is given to this man and his ministry
It's the exact opposite. Time and attention is being spent on this because of all the people whose lives have been ruined and destroyed by this man and his teachings. I think you already knew that is why this channel and other anti Branham channels exist.
The reason being he was among the "first's" and they all saw in him the thing they lusted to be. Beginning and end of the story. Had they any integrity and revelation of christ they won't have listen to WMB period.
Sir, whenever your procast pups up on YT, I just shake my head, because while you are busy about scarecrow, the Brides of the Lord Jesus Christ are marching on in the Light of the message of Mal. 4, vs 5 & 6, shalom
The bible says that one of 10 commandments is to not make an image of God. What is in every message church including while WMB was still alive? Cloud and pillar of 🔥... Both were seen by Israel. And yet when they created statue God forbid them to do that ever again. Why did God not simply said to make an image of pillar and cloud instead of a Bullock?
The bible says to not be afraid and don't listen to a prophet that had even 1 thing that didn't come to pass. At this moment the question is not if every prophecy of WMB came to pass but if even one did. Quite reverse to what the bible say
My husband and I were in a Latter Rain church in the 1970's. We came out of conservative churches. We have family that are missionaries that are latter rain in Hong Kong . We finally saw that their doctrine was not what the bible taught. Our family in Hong Kong is also close to Bethel Church in Redding, California. They also accept the NAR movement. Thank you so much for the amazing job and information you give us on all this history!!!!!
Wow, what a Perfect episode for the new Year. My Seat belts are fastened and am Riding this Trail with you
Holy smokes! The Milano family was close friends with my dad. I just spit out my coffee. I feel like I am in a surreal dream hearing all this! Suddenly, I know why something always felt weird around some of these people! My gut was right, all along!
This is why guys like Robin Bullock and Timothy Dixon, who both talk about Branham, think they have some kind of elijah anointing.
You two have brought back so many memories from 50 years ago. My Dad's church rented a township hall for many years. It was the nicest building we had service in. Like the toilets always worked and there were plenty of tables for the potlucks. I also remember a man from India who stayed at our place and preached a couple times. He made a curry for us and gave my mother a beautiful crocheted tablecloth. I don't remember his name, though.
Some people get so angry when they find out the truth about whoever it is that they like, such as TL Osborne or Gordon Lindsay, and others. Instead of wanting to know the truth, they get angry and say you both are lying. It reminds me of how message people react to the truth about WMB.
These episodes are the ones that I look forward to!
So many people say WMB was scripturally sound but that his followers have twisted his teachings and that's where the evil in the message really comes from. No, it comes out of the mouth of WMB every time someone presses play.
Man was evil...!!!
Sad sad.
But to God be the glory for setting us free from the net of that monster.
I'm so excited about this series and I can't wait to read Charles' book!
so good to see charles back
We'll ride this trail again with you! 🤗
perfect start into the new year! looking forward to this podcast! many blessings
I remember my family staying in the Ann Arbor church basement a couple times, when my Dad would be preaching for their revival meetings. I was 7-10 when we spent time there. And now I hear Johnson was a child molester!!! Thank you Lord for keeping me and my brother safe. Relief 😮 Glenda from the backwoods of northern Michigan 😊
@glt-e3n I've heard other stories about him. I can't say they are for sure true. But I was told some pretty bad things by someone who was in the Philippines with him.
So excited to dig back in with you!
So great to have you two back together, can't wait for many more history lessons❤️
Let's see what John and Reverend Charles have to say about that nonsense we'll rise this trail again. I can't wait for this episode
You need an episode just for Edmonton. Many splinter groups here. Wonder why they can't all agree and get together as one! Hnnmmm
Yes they did get along. I remember Samuel Johnson held a church camp in Michigan. I remember them being there, Perry Green, Frank,Eddie Byskal, and Lonnie Jenkins. I remember them. That was in the mid to late 70's.
I hope you are going to do an entire episode about Pearry Green. From just what i know about him so far, he was a very different person than i thought he was when I was in the message. Even though i never met him, his preaching tapes and one of the doctrines that he invented, i don't think he got it from WMB, had a very negative impact on my life.
Finally! Charles
Thank you. I enjoyed listening to this.
I hope you talk about Local Christian Assembly!
Thank you, God bless you!
My Dad and (paternal) Grandmother supported many of those first “pillars” that rose up. 😢
thanks for doing this
It's interesting hearing the connection with the UPC. My family used to be in a UPCI church in Central Australia back between 1978 and 1980-ish. I was only 8 or 9 at the time, so I don't remember much, though I still have the KJV, my first of many Bibles, that was gifted to me by a missionary to the local Aboriginals. We left them in 1980 because we found out the assistant pastor's family were going to a non-UPCI friend's place and watching TV while everyone else dutifully observed the no-TV rules. Mum didn't take to that very well, in 1978 she'd divorced my father who was turning into a violent drunk (nothing to do with the church, he was nominally Catholic) and we left because she hated that kind of hypocrisy and wasn't in the mood for bad behaviour. I only found out recently that they are Oneness, something I consider heretical, and I'm not convinced by Charismatic doctrine, so I guess I'll never go back to them. 🤷♀
I'm not what you'd call a victim of them because of my youth and how little time we spent there, but it's interesting to hear about these connections - thanks for producing these videos.
Holy Cow! These names: Armond Nevel, Don Ruttle, Samuel Johnson, Peary Green, Ed Byskal…my Dad was friends with all of these guys. Many of them were part of monthly phone calls with my Dad. The churches Dad preached or pastored at supported some of their ministries. I feel validated and sick to my stomach all at the same time.
I remember a guy named Hotton,I think he claimed to be an apostle or something and had a group of churches under him. I was very young.
Could be George Hawtin? Check early episodes 17 and 18 from a couple years ago, fascinating stuff
@yvonnecrozier4536 I bet that's him, I just remember him as being old and bald, lol. I was a young kid. It seemed to me that wilbur Hart's church in Anderson, indiana. Thought of him as an apostle.
George and his brother Ernest, they were the original elders at the Sharon orphanage. They were the leaders of the latter rain revival. They fellowship with all of us. They were part of independent Assemblies of God. We'll chat about them in future episodes too.
@yvonnecrozier4536 I looked up some things and I think it was Ernest hawtin. I remember as a young person I always thought it was strange that he would be living in California. The picture of him is pretty close to what I remembered. It's funny how you can remember things from so long ago. But can't remember what you had for breakfast.
Thanks so much for this super interesting video and for doing this series. I've been so curious how the message turned from what it was when WMB died to what it was when i joined in 1978 and to what it is now.
I'm so curious about Joseph Coleman and the Thunders.
Jack Palmer was a close family friend. He had a church conference at the Macon, Georgia Opera House in the 70’s. I was 6 years old and sang with my pastors family during that time. It is crazy how far and wide this goes.
This explains why we listened to so many tapes…
I love John's book!!
IT WAS QUITE AWHILE AFTER BRANHAMS DEATH THAT LONNY JENKINS STARTED THE CHURCH IN OHIO. HE WAS STILL IN A LANDSCAING BUSIENESS WITH DAVID GREEN IN TUCSON WHEN I LIVED THERE IN 1971.
The church/people we're there before him. The ful Gospel businessman basically matched him up with a message group that needed a pastor.
City of champions!! Edmonton Alberta!😊
Lima, Ohio ... long I. 😄 Used to live nearby. Excited for the new series!
Growing up AOG..I never knew of the Independent AOG! Grea5 and informative vid. So a guy from the north…wearing purple..would confirm he IS the new(est) Elijah,!! 😅 35:28
Thanks
Thankyou. this was very informative.
My family attended a church that started out in a old 1 room school house. Moved up to a old barn and then was held in houses. I didn't come from the other side. These people gave and gave and gave till they were poor. I find no humor in mocking them. I wish some of the people here making comments would have a little more compassion.
I'm sorry you feel like message people are being mocked. The compassion for them is why this whole thing exists. To help them know the truth about this cult. The people are sincere, good people, for the most part. Sometimes humor is used as a way to laugh at ourselves or deal with painful things. John, Charles, and many of the people leaving comments, including myself, were like the people you are describing ---we gave our whole lives to this evil thing. All of us that are in or used to be in this group were/are deceived and this channel exits to help people learn the truth and hopefully get out. It also exists to educate people about this group, including those of us who were in it. I've learned more about the message from this channel than I learned about it from the 28 years I was in it.
@lesliewells-ig5dl I don't feel like most people are mocking them.
@@chriscash8919 I'm glad!!
Wondering if the Hamons' church in Florida is a Message church. Bill Hamon is 90. I don't feel comfortable about them; maybe this is why. I know they are NAR and I have heard them mention Branham once.
Hamon is connected yes, will discuss him in future episodes.
@Charles-Paisley Thankyou!
AZ was supposed to be safe territory for the crime families. Some landed in the Phoenix area, like in Paradise Valley.
The first message church I was ever in, when I was 13, was Jack Palmer's.
We used to go there often!
@sharonhollis7890 Really? Do you remember Ann and Fred Smith? Their daughter was my best friend in high school and it was through her that I heard about the message and joined it.
Where in Texas did Jack Bell found a Message Church?
I used to attend Christian Life Tabernacle in Bedford TX.
Is that the same one?
Jack Bell was in Beaumont, Texas.
People talk about the second Elijah. If a person now was Elijah, he would be the fourth Elijah, not the second, after Elijah, Elisha, John the Baptist, then the modern person. I've never understood why they talk about anyone being the second Elijah. That was Elisha.
I love youre theme music
it's gonna be good!!!!!!
Hi, greetings from New Zealand. Charles, you missed one that was in existence at the time of WMB's death - The Evangelistic Church of Christ in Christchurch, New Zealand (which had about 200 in regular attendance) was started in the late 1930's, and I have a tape from January 1965 somewhere here where one of the elders (Warwick French) in the church announces the death of "Our dear brother" WMB and observes that the church had benefitted from his ministry for many years. The church used to 'edit' the tapes to remove parts that appeared to be self-promotion or references to him being 'Elijah', and some aspects of doctrine were surgically removed from sermons.
Printed sermons were available to people, which were transcripted by members of the church. Also, tapes were played to the entire congregation on occasion, in addition to the full-time ministry of the Pastor, W.E. Wilson, who had his roots in Smith Wigglesworth, and whose brothers (4 of them) started churches around NZ which were sympathetic to British Israelism. The church did not have its roots in any of the people who you name. It was unique.
Pastor W.E. Wilson started up many churches around New Zealand, including one in Pukekohe and another in Dunedin. He was a remarkable man and his focus and emphasis was on preparing for the second coming of Jesus, and letting His perfect will be done in us. He wasn't strictly 'a message believer', but he did love it and felt that it added a lot of substance to his own teachings.
There was also Camp David - a group in North Canterbury who adopted a communal lifestyle under the leadership of Bro. Doug Metcalf and subsequently under Bro. Daryl Williams and they too enjoyed WMB's ministry and I believe that this was also while he was alive or slightly after, as I know that they got the tapes from Bro. Reg Searle in Gisborne NZ who started the Gospel Tape Ministry.
The Evangelistic Church of Christ went through a split in the early 1990's and one section of the church turned Pentecostal and became very modern charismatic but the other went deeper into the Message and to this day appreciates the message of William Branham. A few former members of both churches went to the more main-stream Message churches, such as Gospel Way Outreach, in Kaiapoi.
That's really interesting!!
Thanks for sharing the information, I am aware of the churches in New Zealand. I would have considered them to be Latter Rain Churches at the time of William Branham's death. Perry Green and Billy Paul began interaction with the churches in New Zealand starting in about 1968. And mission outreach started happening in that Time in New Zealand and Australia. All of the early mission work was done primarily among people who already respected Branham as a prophet. But it was generally only with the missionary outreach after he died that they began to accept the more unique beliefs of the message. We'll speak to that in some future episodes. Back then the tapes only had two sources, And The tapes In possession there would have had to have come from the central institutions of the message, which were in the churches we mentioned. The fact that they had tapes back then, is it pretty good indication that they were connected to the Central institutions of the message. If you can find out the approximate year that they accepted William Branham as Elijah, I would love to hear! I'm sure they had by 1968 or '69. Thanks so much for sharing!
@@Charles-Paisley As far as I know, it was only in the 1990's that they (those from the Evangelistic Church of Christ) accepted him as Elijah .... and in fact, those references were deliberately edited out of the tapes by certain elders in the church who didn't hold to that doctrine but were aware of it.
I don't know where they got the tapes from, but I do know that Pastor Wilson enjoyed them right through the 1950's onwards. Others who got the tapes through Reg Searle believed the Elijah message from the times that you specify, 1969.
When I came into the Message in the early 1990's, it was already fragmented, so that there were parousia churches and non-parousia, and in fact, when I attended one of the parousia churches, I was told that I should fall flat on my face and repent because I had failed to accept that the pastor of that church (Kase Van Klink) was THE Word to Christchurch (by the then leader of Lee Vayle's old church in Ohio.... so I remember this clearly. :-)
Later, Parnell's influence reached NZ and the Thunders wreaked havoc. Then about that time, the 'third pull' started to divide people, until the man pushing that ended his marriage and eloped with another woman.... It seems that there was a 'fourth pull' in his case....
Oh wow that's really interesting. When you say Parnell, do you mean Donald Parnell or JT Parnell?
@@Charles-Paisley Donald Parnell. It was mainly some North Island churches that got into him, or rather one especially. The main flavours here were 'the main sect' and Parousia, but the ECC was completely separate and unique.
Did Ed Byskal go on any of those hunting trips? It seems like i remember hearing him say that when he was preaching in Florida. I think i heard that many years ago. It's really creepy to think about now.
@lesliewells-ig5dl yes I'm pretty sure he did.
@@chriscash8919Thank you!
Does the Assemblies of God have the same dress code as the message in all their churches or was that family doing that individually?
The Assemblies of God does not. But the independent Assemblies of God did at the time. That's one of the distinctions.
@Charles-Paisley Oh, ok. Thank you!!
John Robert Stevens was another one and what he created was exposed recently.
You mean the prophet that Lee Vayle predicted p wasn't from Key West? LOL!!!!
I'm new, I seen three of the teachings you share, my QUESTION: the individual who promote false teachers, as well preachers. Is their a curse on them and those they send out, or baptise someone that doesn't go to church ?
Ok, thanks fpr explaining, so John Collins has a lust and envybof Williman Branham hence they spend so muc time analysing and disecting this man's messages and life. It seems they have nothing else to do
He’s made his ENTIRE LIFE trying to discredit another man. I highly doubt you believe in anything anymore.
Branham discredited himself. These guys, righteously indignant, are doing their best to objectively put the spotlight on that lack of credibility so folks can see what they’re getting themselves into.
Wow this man Branham must have been a such a great person and this Message these men are talking about must be very powerful or influential. So much time and attention is given to this man and his ministry
It's the exact opposite. Time and attention is being spent on this because of all the people whose lives have been ruined and destroyed by this man and his teachings. I think you already knew that is why this channel and other anti Branham channels exist.
The reason being he was among the "first's" and they all saw in him the thing they lusted to be. Beginning and end of the story.
Had they any integrity and revelation of christ they won't have listen to WMB period.
@Creolemonkey So true!!
Ask forgiveness from the Almighty God to give you guys in the name of Jesus Christ
Sir, whenever your procast pups up on YT, I just shake my head, because while you are busy about scarecrow, the Brides of the Lord Jesus Christ are marching on in the Light of the message of Mal. 4, vs 5 & 6, shalom
Holy Protestant you need to chill
I'm pretty sure Malachi was written to Jews as per 1st verse 1st chapter?
@Lovecoffe506 This guy or gal always has a comment that makes absolutely no sense.
@@phyllisd.5640 I get him, been just like that, most of my family is still this confused 🙈 But I like to exchange questions with people sometimes 😁
@Lovecoffe56 I was in NAR, I just had no idea what this commenter was talking about. I guess that is good, lol.
We know people like you guys will come out and say something against the prophet
It's like this. Don't trace only Branham's history trace Bible also and let's see who's wrong.
The bible says that one of 10 commandments is to not make an image of God. What is in every message church including while WMB was still alive? Cloud and pillar of 🔥... Both were seen by Israel. And yet when they created statue God forbid them to do that ever again. Why did God not simply said to make an image of pillar and cloud instead of a Bullock?
The bible says to not be afraid and don't listen to a prophet that had even 1 thing that didn't come to pass. At this moment the question is not if every prophecy of WMB came to pass but if even one did. Quite reverse to what the bible say
I have. Branham was wrong.
@LoveCoffe56So true!!