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  • @luukpeeters9474
    @luukpeeters9474 3 місяці тому +293

    Character and person are seperate, i have played a racist alcoholic, a brick of a guy barbarian who liked nothing and no-one, a bisexual drama queen dude, and an openly straight extremely flirtatious barbarian woman. I'm a straight dude

    • @АндрейНеугодников-м6е
      @АндрейНеугодников-м6е 2 місяці тому +35

      Thank you for being the voice of sanity.

    • @KalifZor
      @KalifZor 2 місяці тому +15

      This is the way.

    • @Funnyfresh420
      @Funnyfresh420 2 місяці тому

      straight dudes dont play fantasy games so they can be bisexual... Its ok to be bisexual or even gay but lets stop pretending in the real world lol

    • @jessematthews6861
      @jessematthews6861 2 місяці тому +10

      Trying to separate person from player is a great skill. One I struggle with, so it's impressive seeing you pull it off

    • @yammoyammamoto8323
      @yammoyammamoto8323 2 місяці тому +16

      yeah - no... today's "gamers"(read tourists) have zero ability to keep fact-from-fiction. They think Harry Potter is a bad person, because the author has this-or-that view. it's pathetic.

  • @rpghorrorstories
    @rpghorrorstories 3 місяці тому +69

    "Okay fine. However, because fiends are living embodiments of evil, which includes sins like sloth and avarice, the demon in charge of the tiefling breeding project embezzled all the soul coins and half-assed the job."

    • @meowmeow9326
      @meowmeow9326 2 місяці тому +18

      homosexuality is a sin tho, so gay tieflings are just spreading the slaaneshi corruption =]

    • @lightningpenguin8937
      @lightningpenguin8937 Місяць тому +11

      Honestly the real answer to what is most effective just to make them both genders or the ability to shape shifting between the two.
      So basically the shapeshifting version of succubi and incubi.

  • @tubetorpedo
    @tubetorpedo 2 місяці тому +58

    Starting to talk about MATH cap, Reaganomics and trickle-down economics etc. was done by OTHER members of the group deliberately bringing RL politics in the game. Those are concepts from our world.
    Someone saying that their character does not want to pay tax from the loot they earned is inherently not political. That is common stance to e.g. any thief archetype who is about individuality, personal morals and not following law (or else they would not be thieves in the first place if they respected laws and rules). E.g. DnD's chaotic character alignment is pretty much about THAT, opposite to lawful alignment which is about following laws and rules. Other systems might not use that kind of moral system but players usually inherently take their positions in similar matris.
    Yes, one CAN turn anything political like rest of the group seemed to do here while hypocritically breaking their own claimed rules.
    If I say my character does not want to pay some tax or fee or such, and other person starts bringing in political terminology from our reality because they think my stance is based on this or that theory or that some political figure said similar sounding thing, then it's THEY who made the issue ​about politics.
    This was obviously told from very one sided perspective and while Ronnie sounded annoying person with his "where are all the ladies, I am such a stud, look at me), ALL the people taking stances looked like pricks. Based on this narration it was not Ronnie who was constantly turning things political, despite this clearly being very unfavorable towards him.

    • @lootgoblinmarketplace
      @lootgoblinmarketplace  2 місяці тому +19

      Yeah this party was guilty of being passive aggressive and trying to antagonize this player once they realized their politics didn’t mesh. I feel like if this party discussed ahead of time what they wanted, they could have realized it was best to part ways and save the headaches a lot earlier. I wish more parties could just stick to a fun removed from reality style of gameplay, but everyone at the time wanted just their enforced.

    • @duck_entertainment
      @duck_entertainment 7 днів тому

      Wait are you declaring your treasure chests?

  • @briansmith4125
    @briansmith4125 2 місяці тому +153

    Does anyone else get the feeling this story is fake?

    • @redridingcape
      @redridingcape 2 місяці тому +86

      Yeah, feels like they were ganging up on some dude because they caught wind that he didn't agree with their politics, and then they made up stories to dunk him on to strangers.

    • @jackson68x
      @jackson68x 2 місяці тому +79

      I’m betting Ronnie’s side of this story is wildly different. Just listening to the writer you can immediately pick out that this is a table full of political activists.

    • @KumarMitra-u8k
      @KumarMitra-u8k 2 місяці тому

      Completely fake. You'd have to be delusional to think this shit was real. Typical childish NPCs pretending they're 'the good guys'.

    • @anderwood6005
      @anderwood6005 2 місяці тому +33

      I would suppose that most of these are fake

    • @camerapasteurize7215
      @camerapasteurize7215 2 місяці тому

      Most of these stories are fake

  • @yeehaw27
    @yeehaw27 3 місяці тому +401

    I don't like politics in my games, that's why I draw inspiration from my favorite non political games like Fallout NV, Spec-Ops: The Line, Bioshock, Disco Elisium...

    • @digitbit3180
      @digitbit3180 3 місяці тому +43

      hol up. . .

    • @dwaynejackson551
      @dwaynejackson551 3 місяці тому +15

      Oh... OH! I don't get it.

    • @TheLastScribe
      @TheLastScribe 3 місяці тому +52

      ​@dwaynejackson551 these games are famously political

    • @dwaynejackson551
      @dwaynejackson551 3 місяці тому +8

      @@TheLastScribe Ah... never played them. Thanks, I hate it.

    • @ghosfox1292
      @ghosfox1292 3 місяці тому +3

      😂😂🤣🤣

  • @haineko1101
    @haineko1101 2 місяці тому +118

    This is one of those "everyone in the entire debacle is a worthless skinbag full of garbage" cases.

    • @SammaclauseGamgee
      @SammaclauseGamgee 2 місяці тому +11

      I tend to agree.

    • @UneekWolf
      @UneekWolf 2 місяці тому +6

      Yeah

    • @capitanspoiler7393
      @capitanspoiler7393 2 місяці тому

      pretty much, yeah. the rogue was annoying but the rest were just your standard smug twittard

    • @exidy-yt
      @exidy-yt Місяць тому +3

      or it's fake af.

    • @capitanspoiler7393
      @capitanspoiler7393 Місяць тому +4

      @@exidy-yt could be, could also be that the "problem player" just happened to get into a party of w0kies

  • @mtvjacknife816
    @mtvjacknife816 2 місяці тому +49

    So the rogue was partly in the wrong. But the rest of the party was also responsible for the continued issues. And the DM clearly did not handle the situation correctly, from the start the dm should have stopped the session and talked it out with the players/ made a call and then enforce it, or done so after the game.

    • @capitanspoiler7393
      @capitanspoiler7393 2 місяці тому +15

      indeed, this whole thing sounds like an attempt to gain moral points on reddit because nobody tried to de-escalate the situation in the slightest.
      also, i don't care if "it's in the module" i'm rolling my eyes at the mention of the gay kings and you can't do anything to stop me -_-

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +4

      @@capitanspoiler7393So glad I saw you and the other guys comments. Not only do I believe that this was fake, but if it WAS real the ronnie was ironically the most entertaining person

    • @egillskallagrimson5879
      @egillskallagrimson5879 2 місяці тому +6

      Look the whole Ronnie the Rogue going full Reagan at the end and all the shit of this story makes a lot of people to think is just fake so common sense is thrown out the window to not get in the way of this mental fart.
      I don't know if this is real or not but I've seen a lot of games and alphabet weirdos games are always a mess. They lack a total understanding of the need of hierarchy and authority so you will never see a GM doing shit or enforcing anything for the sake of the game or the group bc they don't have what is necessary and problems will always balloon out of control. They will only kick someone that is openly hostile to their deviancy otherwise you will see dragging along the most dysfunctional people for hours. And the worst part of it, if the DM and the majority of players are alphabet weirdos the game will always devolved into a creepy fetiche show and all of them will only seek to satisfy their onanistic urges... my advice is stay away from a group of creepy weirdos

    • @capitanspoiler7393
      @capitanspoiler7393 2 місяці тому +1

      @@egillskallagrimson5879 yeah, the first things i say in any session 0 is "no unnecessary game of thrones moments" and "no real life politics. there can BE politics in a game but if the big bad is Daniel Trumpet and his plan is to wall off his dimension so he can rule it as he pleases, then i'm out"

    • @glentor3
      @glentor3 3 дні тому

      @@capitanspoiler7393
      So no clandestine walks in the Garden of Betrayal where they plot against the other party members?

  • @RandomGamerCory
    @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +65

    honestly ronnie is pretty based from the tax dodging. the second anyone tried taxing me in a fantasy setting that whole area is going up in flames.
    but ya honestly especially near the end you can tell that group was bitter and ronnie was cool, a solid reminder that you wont fit every group your in and if you dont like the dm you can always troll a little bit before just leaving and finding a new group you're a better fit in.

  • @kensprivateinvestigation2128
    @kensprivateinvestigation2128 2 місяці тому +29

    Got thrown out of a party 6ish years ago because I attempted to stop another party (female playing a male) member from RAPING A GOBLIN, we took as a prisoner as a form of interrogation. Apparently stopping a rape means I am a “racist, bigoted trump supporter” which is funny because the the guy that invited me and left with me was the only person that was not just black but the one that wasn’t white.
    Had another game that I was invited to by a now former female coworker where we were still meeting the other players characters in game and forming our party. Guy was in a tavern trying to hook up with the tavern keepers 9year old daughter and dm was encouraging it. Coworker got upset and said something about it before I did about how “you guys always do this crap” they guys thought I would go along with them and help bully my coworker into submission like they normally would do. Fun fact, I have 2 daughters the old was just about to turn 9 when this happened.

    • @Frogorius
      @Frogorius 2 місяці тому

      What the fuck

    • @jayeisenhardt1337
      @jayeisenhardt1337 Місяць тому +3

      the goblin bit blew my mind
      I can only think of "In Soviet Russia" jokes

    • @JohnGrandline
      @JohnGrandline 18 днів тому +3

      Don't worry you're not the "blaeck sheep of the family" / weird one in those 2 parties,
      Its f*kyed up to include r*ape and that other part about "trying to hook up" with tavern owner's family member (too young) as part of dungeons and dragons story,
      personal opinion here but those people shouldn't bring up their deemoonic / eviyl "desires" in a DnD party, ruining the mood and they shouldn't have such "desires",
      get them / their home exoorciseed by a trained priest, in a gentler way if possible

  • @nonya_bidness
    @nonya_bidness 2 місяці тому +47

    Ronnie, as described, doesnt sound great.
    I really dont want to play with any of the other people involved though. Petty, vindictive, and passive-aggressive types that cant just be direct about their concerns, no matter how self-assured they are that theyre right.

  • @alexanderwsm6296
    @alexanderwsm6296 2 місяці тому +80

    I'm not a table-top player (I actually decided to watch this video to learn something about it), but three things:
    1. When you have politics in the story (yes, I'm not familiar with role-play but I'm familiar with fantasy and fiction and general), you shouldn't ask "Is this real-world politics?", you should ask "Does this politics fit the world of the story?".
    2. If "there was no communication" that's on DM, not on the guy. Since he was flirting with ladies all over the place, it was obvious he would like to get a girl in the end. DM was either very inattentive or just decided to screw the guy over.
    3. "Gay kings" were absolutely real-world politics, shoved in a module by current DnD management.

    • @PootisPenserPow
      @PootisPenserPow Місяць тому +2

      Take one look at WotC and you'll be proven correct on point #3

    • @johntheherbalistg8756
      @johntheherbalistg8756 27 днів тому +1

      If you want to learn something about ttrpgs, the "horror story" hashtag is not the one. It is explicitly what not to do/ be/ act. Also, if you decide to play, try to play with people that you know, and avoid the situation with internet randos. That's how you get situations like this

    • @Prich319
      @Prich319 17 днів тому +1

      The only society I can think of that had two kings was Sparta, and it was more due to Spartans not trusting the consolidation of power into one individual. These kings had their own wives and heirs. I agree with point #3, it's WoTC/Hasbro putting real world politics into a medieval fantasy setting.

  • @ZedRen-s8g
    @ZedRen-s8g 3 місяці тому +14

    It depends on the setting. Usually Tieflings are not always the result of a Demon/Devil/Daemon banged a humanoid. Sometimes it comes up where either your ancestor made a deal/pact, or binding an evil outsider and the essence taints the genetics a bit and one pops up generations later. Or during the formative years in a womb you were close to some evil outsider energies.
    Even though Tieflings are Outsiders with the native subtype, they retain cultural mannerisms, and thinking with upbringing. Some might have a slight pull towards an alignment based on their lineage in question. Still doesn't prevent them from being gay/Bi/etc.

  • @ShoeMoses
    @ShoeMoses 2 місяці тому +40

    Idk man, while I agree Ronny was being a brat especially at the start, I felt like they kinda hanged up on him in the end, just feels like there was a way better way to resolve the issues at hand, didn’t want to side with him but it felt like a gang up…

    • @NeoBluereaper
      @NeoBluereaper Місяць тому +9

      Comes off like we're hearing a completely one sided story to be a dick to one person they didn't like.

    • @mufasafalldown8401
      @mufasafalldown8401 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@NeoBluereaper or a completely fabricated story to dunk on a conservative.

    • @saltyk9869
      @saltyk9869 13 днів тому +1

      Glad others think the same. The end especially sounds like several people being dicks to Ronnie for no real reason. I get that he was annoying but “Hey, his argument is political but UBI is a fantasy, also I took all his money and founded a charity just to piss him off” all comes across as petty. I suspect they were poking the bear the entire time. I do wonder what Ronnie’s version of this story looks like.

  • @TheMarrethiel
    @TheMarrethiel 2 місяці тому +39

    We are simple people in our group... no romance. It just makes things simpler. Characters might have off screen romance with NPC's in downtime but it is never a focus.

    • @BallerDan53
      @BallerDan53 2 місяці тому +10

      Absolutely. I play to go dungeon crawling and have great adventures, not to explore someone's erotic fanfic.
      Honestly, I think people are way too open about their sexualities in general. Modesty is underrated. But maybe that's just me becoming an old person.

    • @capitanspoiler7393
      @capitanspoiler7393 2 місяці тому +3

      that's the first thing i point out in a session 0 as well. that and "no unnecessary Game of Thrones moments"

    • @MelancholyKnight
      @MelancholyKnight 2 місяці тому

      From what I've watched so far a few episodes of this guy it seems as if the only people that want romance in Dungeons and Dragons are complete losers that can't get any in real life

    • @Mollikar
      @Mollikar Місяць тому +3

      Exactly keep it Star Wars rules.

  • @Totallynotkyubey
    @Totallynotkyubey 2 місяці тому +31

    This sound fake, ngl.

  • @Corvin2696
    @Corvin2696 2 місяці тому +37

    It was political from the beginning, from both sides. Seems the political split in the US is too deep for both sides to enjoy a game of DnD. Also the thing with the chicks is somewhat disturbing.

    • @kensprivateinvestigation2128
      @kensprivateinvestigation2128 2 місяці тому +18

      Just said it in another comment but I got thrown out of a game about 6 years ago for trying to stop another player (female playing male) from raping a goblin we had captured as a form of interrogation. Got called a “racist, bigoted trump supporter” for it. Cherry on top was they were all white except for the dude that invited me to the group and left with me when I was kicked.

    • @Corvin2696
      @Corvin2696 2 місяці тому +3

      @@kensprivateinvestigation2128 I don't understand where these people come from...

    • @kensprivateinvestigation2128
      @kensprivateinvestigation2128 2 місяці тому +4

      @@Corvin2696 I can’t say where they came from but I can tell you they didn’t come from taking a shower.

    • @Corvin2696
      @Corvin2696 2 місяці тому

      @@kensprivateinvestigation2128 Do the girls also don't take showers too?

    • @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt
      @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt 2 місяці тому +12

      One of em literally was wearing an andrew yang hat in the game universe lmfao

  • @GigaChad-u1f
    @GigaChad-u1f 2 місяці тому +6

    Well, I don't usually play a gay character (my character is straight but never actually flirts with character,and every time someone mistakes what my character does as flirting he always denies it) but it doesn't really matter since i mostly play for the "beat shit up" part,and romance is not the main focus
    My character is sometimes called "the unrizzable monk"

  • @commonmockery1074
    @commonmockery1074 2 місяці тому +23

    I get the sense that either this story is entirely made up, there are a lot of details being left out, or that the DM had a very poor judgment in who to end not to allow in his campaign.
    I’m airing more on the side of the story being entirely made up or not every detail being divulged, because I believe they had mentioned that it wasn’t going to get political while admitting that they were going to reference to people like Andrew Yang. Just as well, if the guy was already starting to see sexualities as political, someone should have told him about what was going to come up later and to inform him about it to let him judge for himself if it would be a good idea to remain or not.
    The biggest thing tipping me off towards my conclusion, as well as the fact that, for the epilogue, after having removed him, instead of just having a sigh of relief that they wouldn’t have to deal with him ever again, they dunk on his character with political references out the Wazo. I mean, are you serious? People who are supposedly so “non-confrontational“ that they would pedally insult things he did because he’s not there to say anything back? Good people don’t do that, and if you were bothered with him, making issues out of non-issues, he wouldn’t do things that would easily be considered as issues.
    If I had to go with this being fake, we’re not every detail being diverged, honestly, the guy had the name of “Ronnie“, after a reference to trickle down economics. I’m betting this is entirely fake.

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +6

      Earnestly, thank you for this comment. My brain hurt trying to articulate how stupid this clearly made up story was.
      And even if it was real, Ronnie was legit ehtertaining.

  • @Joeyisagonnawin
    @Joeyisagonnawin 10 днів тому +1

    The elf player is weird, for sure. He seems to be there for a different experience than the others, and that certainly can lead to conflict.
    The guy, almost right off the bat, requests no politics. Sexuality is not politics, though many do conflate the two. In response, pretty much immediately after, someone else forces politics in.
    That's pretty spiteful to me, and for next to no reason. It's early enough in the campaign to establish ground rules, and instead of ironing boundaries and intentions concerning the game and each other, people become petty and passive-aggressive.
    This is one of the most salvageable "horror stories" I've seen. It only gets worse because no one seems to want to fix anything from the very start.

  • @zyfigamer
    @zyfigamer 2 місяці тому +91

    The two sexualities: straight, and political

    • @ZenoDovahkiin
      @ZenoDovahkiin 2 місяці тому +13

      3, actually: straight, gay and political. Gay people are apparently ok.

    • @Kepora1
      @Kepora1 2 місяці тому +9

      @Zeno unironically yes.

    • @gideonroos1188
      @gideonroos1188 2 місяці тому

      ​@@ZenoDovahkiin Not anymore, apparently. Now gays are honorary biggots for not wanting to get it with people who want a different set of tools than they were born with.

    • @RandomBoi848
      @RandomBoi848 8 днів тому

      @@Kepora1log off bigot

  • @DC-FGC
    @DC-FGC 2 місяці тому +65

    Ronnie: "No real world politics, but there would totally be lesbian tieflings because of real world political history reasons."

    • @frateranpvbail-shm6912
      @frateranpvbail-shm6912 2 місяці тому +23

      that's a misrepresentation of Ronnie's argument, since he clearly gave lore reasons for why it wouldn't make sense

    • @Eric-cj8sb
      @Eric-cj8sb 2 місяці тому

      ​@@frateranpvbail-shm6912 hahaha

    • @declanmcmanus4038
      @declanmcmanus4038 2 місяці тому

      ​@@frateranpvbail-shm6912tbf their reason was really weak

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +2

      learn to read

    • @DraganKKWCZ
      @DraganKKWCZ 18 днів тому

      People who mix up history with politics any time a historical reference is given should be banned from the internet

  • @sailorsloth8183
    @sailorsloth8183 3 місяці тому +132

    You meet with the king and his husband.
    “Stop bringing politics into this!”
    Okay. You meet with a regular Joe Schmoe dude and his husband.

    • @RandomGamerCory
      @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +38

      realistically no king would have a husband solely because he would need to sire a royal bloodline.

    • @unwantedmacguffin5611
      @unwantedmacguffin5611 3 місяці тому

      So? This is Dungeons & Dragons I'm not here for realism.​@@RandomGamerCory

    • @TortoiseNotTurtle
      @TortoiseNotTurtle 3 місяці тому +25

      ​@@RandomGamerCory
      And realistically you wouldn't be fighting a fucking dragon

    • @TortoiseNotTurtle
      @TortoiseNotTurtle 3 місяці тому +17

      ​@@RandomGamerCoryAlso homosexual relations (especially among royals/nobles) happened all the time, lol

    • @RandomGamerCory
      @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому

      @@TortoiseNotTurtle still married a queen to continue the royal bloodlines

  • @frankfrankerson782
    @frankfrankerson782 2 місяці тому +57

    In my experience people really only add non-hetero characters to signal their real life support for those sorts of relationships. But at the same time, these aren't actual characters because they're not written like actual human beings with flaws or biases. Instead they're pretty much always idealized versions of what ever group they represent. People don't come to dnd for a sermon, they come to have fun.

    • @Kepora1
      @Kepora1 2 місяці тому +20

      They're fetish idols, basically. And I say this as a bi guy. I don't make all my characters bi - they vary wildly because *THEY'RE CHARACTERS I'M PLAYING, NOT ME.*

    • @SeptimusCreed
      @SeptimusCreed 2 місяці тому +5

      Honestly, having played all flavors of people as a straight guy, my thought process is usually “new campaign. Never played a character who was into guys before. Guess might as well now.” Making the characters different from me also let’s me really get into the acting aspects of the roleplay since I can’t just think about things as myself.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому +4

      a bisexual bard is the least controversial thing you can do in D&D, get over yourself

    • @frankfrankerson782
      @frankfrankerson782 2 місяці тому +6

      @@corberus3119
      That's fine and all, just stop preaching and pretending that not being heterosexual makes you intetesting.

  • @wisdomteethsoup
    @wisdomteethsoup 3 місяці тому +44

    My solution is to have all my characters be ace but massive flirts to get what they want lmao

    • @kingcamelot1395
      @kingcamelot1395 3 місяці тому +11

      That is truly devious. I like it.

    • @demonheart13
      @demonheart13 3 місяці тому +3

      This is me, I love it

    • @FiftyStates5
      @FiftyStates5 2 місяці тому +3

      Nah that shit breaks immersion
      Almost as bad as bg3 making every single character pan

    • @wisdomteethsoup
      @wisdomteethsoup 2 місяці тому +4

      @@FiftyStates5 ah yes, incorporating elements of my own preferences and life experiences into my characters that I play breaks immersion ... For who? I'm ace, I play my fair share of "horny" bards in a way that makes sense for me as a person, I just play what I know baby.

    • @jayeisenhardt1337
      @jayeisenhardt1337 Місяць тому +1

      wtf is ace? are you a pilot?

  • @VueiyVisarelli
    @VueiyVisarelli Місяць тому +7

    I get what you're saying (sexuality/attraction isn't by definition political), but at the same time, I kinda get why the guy was annoyed. Not the players' faults, it's just that you hear about it _so much _*_ALL THE TIME_* that your mind can _jump_ to politics even when it's irrelevant. People should cultivate discernment and take a step back to evaluate the situation before getting upset, though.

  • @hikaruk.981
    @hikaruk.981 2 місяці тому +5

    It was pretty obvious where this was going as soon as "Tiefling" was uttered.

  • @lingricen8077
    @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +10

    Okay yeah this is absolutely 100% fake. Made cringier by the fact that Ronnie, the ‘bad guy’ was the BEST and MOST ENTERTAINING person in this story whilst the rest were boring and had a clear chip on their shoulder.
    DISLIKING.

  • @mjsteele42
    @mjsteele42 Місяць тому +4

    Gotta love using the uber trendy insult "incel" when complaining about not taking sexualities seriously.

  • @invictuscenturion8468
    @invictuscenturion8468 2 місяці тому +69

    Why is everything now about LGBTQ and how it
    Must be the centerpiece of all characters all the time.

    • @Eric-cj8sb
      @Eric-cj8sb 2 місяці тому +6

      Representation matters that why. Otherwise you all wouldn't be so mad about it.

    • @adrianinwinter
      @adrianinwinter 2 місяці тому +12

      Just make a good character and the rest doesn't even matter.

    • @pezdispencer113
      @pezdispencer113 2 місяці тому +38

      ​@@Eric-cj8sb Representation only matters for really narcissistic people that can't empathise with other people.
      I'm basically never represented in any setting in fantasy or sci fi and I don't care. I want to become the character, I don't want the character to become like me.

    • @elibrainless90
      @elibrainless90 2 місяці тому +17

      ​@@Eric-cj8sb no it doesn't lol. I've never played or watched anything and went "if only I was somehow represented in this"

    • @Eric-cj8sb
      @Eric-cj8sb 2 місяці тому +1

      @elibrainless90 You are full of absolute shit and privilege to say something like that. People would not take issue with LGBTQ and POC characters so badly if representation didn't matter. You all see a non white or non straight person and whine and cry. It because you views andndesires aren't being represented on screen. For most it's definitely a subconscious thing. Also have People that are like you in race or orientation makes it. Ore okay and normal to he those things. You are so full of shit if you truly think representation doesn't matter.

  • @diamondeyethunderbow5678
    @diamondeyethunderbow5678 2 місяці тому +34

    This was going great until the DM decided to aggravate the situation by... being political.

  • @Random_Chiroptera
    @Random_Chiroptera 2 місяці тому +26

    So, to be fair, yes, all of those things are politicized issues. They weren't always such, but hey, Democrat politicians and special interests have been making EVERYTHING policized for the past 20 years so you can't even mention "real world politics" without getting political.
    This is why I strongly discourage ERP, and veering off course from the canon lore of the game world anymore than absolutely necessary, otherwise you're just opening doors for problems to arise.
    Us folks from the 80s and 90s tried to fight things becoming this way.

    • @DarkSpyro707
      @DarkSpyro707 2 місяці тому +5

      as far as game lore is concerned, this was canon. the two kings were part of the premade module. you can tell its a newer module because they didnt start writing this kind of stuff util la few years ago.

    • @Random_Chiroptera
      @Random_Chiroptera 2 місяці тому +7

      @@DarkSpyro707
      Rather to say, I stick to lore that's detailed in the novels. Most of those are from before the age of injecting real life into escapism. So it's usually safe from relating to anything IRL.
      Basically use what I know.

  • @colbornthunderhammergaming
    @colbornthunderhammergaming 17 днів тому +1

    When the major political talking points are bigoted agaisnt straight people it has been made political. I can see where this player is coming from because all i have heard for 8 years straight is players trying to force gay or communist plotlines on players that dont like communism or gay things. Its like the players that won't shut up about critical roll when you are trying to have your own campaign. There is nothing wrong with critical roll but when you try to force other players into it who are not into it is when people quit tables

  • @asbest2092
    @asbest2092 2 місяці тому +3

    tieflings are humans who were changed by the planar influence (it's like being a human, then experience some exposure to radiation and then you are something else) Tieflings are basically humans who were changed by "radiation".

    • @willieearles3151
      @willieearles3151 Місяць тому

      More like gaydiation apparently lol

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому

      I thought it was bloodline related, or was that old lore or something? I haven't really kept up with modern D&D

  • @zecorezecron
    @zecorezecron 2 місяці тому +59

    Well, I have never heard a straight guy talk about how great it is to be straight and that straight people deserve a parades, holidays, and a whole ass month to celebrrate the fact that they are straight. So, you know, when people start throing around accusations of making things political, I just think back to the last straight pride parade that wasn't protested to hell and back by the "tolerant" people who support all sexualities.
    If you didn't get the joke, that last one never happened.

    • @nailertn82
      @nailertn82 2 місяці тому +2

      You obviously missed the entire Super Straight episode because the entire thing lasted only a hot minute yet made a lot of people irrationally angry real fast.

    • @zekego
      @zekego 2 місяці тому +7

      @@nailertn82 Because the entire thing was a parody of gender politics. Through parody it pointed out hypocrisy.

    • @stormjones725
      @stormjones725 2 місяці тому +7

      @zecorezecron agreed we wouldn't feel like sexuallity was political if they weren't constantly making it political and shoving it in everyone's faces with stuff like pride month. I have gay friends and the company I keep doesn't support pride flags and parades they just literally want to be left alone with thier partners

    • @tubetorpedo
      @tubetorpedo 2 місяці тому +3

      Straight person constantly talking about their sexuality and bringing it in to everything is as obnoxious as any non-straight person doing exact same thing.
      Or you could replace sexuality with religion, or lack of if atheist would be constantly bringing up the subject. Or someone constantly turning things political while current topic or issue had nothing to do with politics.
      I think there is a pattern here. Naturally there are some moments when any of above might become relevant, but in real life scenarios extremely rare unless someone brings them up. Otherwise random cases like "Could you come to Sunday meeting? No I go to church at that time. Ok, we'll figure out something else." are most likely scenarios.
      E.g. in my current workplace I do not know anyone's political or religious leanings and sexuality I could assume from those few I know have wife/husbands.

  • @Red_Devil_2011
    @Red_Devil_2011 2 місяці тому +18

    I'm sick of these posts pretending that the rainbow obsessed people are actually the normal, level-headed ones. They make lengthy posts about a couple incels, as if the majority of these cringe neckbeards are not woke themselves!

  • @jaketheripper7385
    @jaketheripper7385 2 місяці тому +13

    Is it *inherently* political? No, of course not and it most certainly doesn't have to be. That's just silly. It can be, but generally speaking it isn't. That being said though it can be kind of annoyingly transparent when literally EVERYONE is gay or bi, especially when they're really "in your face" and flamboyant about it. I mean it's not like I'd make a thing out of it either way, but personally I just find this to be kind of eye-rollingly obnoxious.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому

      whats wrong with a bisexula bard? its a well known trope that bards try to fuck everything

    • @DaRealKovi
      @DaRealKovi Місяць тому +1

      @@corberus3119 What about the gay kings? That makes no sense at all, because the king needs to marry to create offspring to carry on the royal bloodline, that's how kingdoms work. Only one pairing does that, and it's not 2 men.

    • @ArDeeMee
      @ArDeeMee Місяць тому

      Two men can just adopt. It’s a great way to reduce royal inbreeding.

    • @grantdaily9662
      @grantdaily9662 24 дні тому +1

      ​@@DaRealKoviin a world of Magic two kings can't have a bloodline.... Lmao okay, lemme just get rid of some of the ground rules of the story I'm working on

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому

      @@grantdaily9662 That's not how it works in D&D lore. If *you* write up your own universe where such things can happen (and actually expand upon how such a massive shift in biological necessity would realistically change how society looks in totality) then that's fine, but they were using a pre-made module in the existing D&D universe where gay couples magically having kids isnt something that happens, at least in a way that wouldnt be considered miraculous and earth-shatteringly rare.

  • @racheltheradiant4675
    @racheltheradiant4675 Місяць тому +5

    Sounds like Ronnie is better off without them.

  • @ShepardCommander
    @ShepardCommander 2 місяці тому +44

    I think the issue with gay marriage in fantasy setting, especially in noble bloodlines is that it doesn't make sense. Gay lovers? Sure go for it, that's actually super historical. But Gay marriages? They are meant to keep the bloodline ruling, that's the whole point and why homosexual relationships are frowned upon. The disconnect between reality and inclusivity is just to much for most people because, unlike magic, which have clear defined rules we can understand, reproduction in homosexual relationships is never explained.
    I don't agree that it's a political thing, I do believe that people do include these relationships specifically to push an agenda, but not necessarily a political one. I dunno, if someone explains it to me like I am 5 then sure. I don't look at it from a feelings perspective, I just look at it from a reproductive perspective. I don't believe that just because A likes B and B likes A that it's inherently ok to accept that. It's ok to question things we find odd.

    • @TonySamedi
      @TonySamedi 2 місяці тому +8

      I'd argue that in your fantasy world, royalties don't need to be bloodlines.
      It could be the king is appointed by a counsel of noble families.
      Even if you desperately need bloodlines, it could easily be "Hey, this king is gay and isn't having kids, his nephew/cousin/whatever is next in line"
      I mean, infertile kings have certainly existed in the real world and weren't kicked off the throne for not having kids.

    • @ShepardCommander
      @ShepardCommander 2 місяці тому +27

      @@TonySamedi Then why have kings and queens and kingdoms at all at that point? If they are "elected" why wouldn't it be more like the romans?

    • @TonySamedi
      @TonySamedi 2 місяці тому +9

      @@ShepardCommander because it's a term folks like and associate with fantasy?
      Also it's kinda weird to say you just want some explanation for using the term without it being a bloodline thing and then ignore the entirely valid "other folks can be heirs in the bloodline" point.
      Or hey, how about the point that in D&D if the King or Queen has access to a mage then they can pretty easily be immortal thanks to the Clone spell? Why worry about heirs when you're just coming back if you die?
      Just wondering are you that pedantic about the usage of all terms that have historic meanings?
      I mean if you can accept that Awful and Awesome no longer mean the same thing like they used to, or that "Bully!" is no longer a term of endorsement and encouragement (Bully for you) then getting that "king" or "Queen" may not be entirely related to a bloodline dynasty shouldn't throw you off.
      Hell one of the most famous fictional kingdoms had pulling a sword from a stone as how the king was decided. Maybe the is kingdom always has that, every king replaced the sword back and when they die a new person pulls it out and they're king? Use your imagination

    • @ShepardCommander
      @ShepardCommander 2 місяці тому

      @@TonySamedi or you could just use yer brain and realise that homosexual reproduction is impossible and likely homosexuals are just too rare to even consider.

    • @FaisLittleWhiteRaven
      @FaisLittleWhiteRaven 2 місяці тому +9

      I mean, ignoring that many cultures have had Kings and Queens determined by things other than bloodline and this is a fantasy story where they might just be using the term King because it sounds cooler and is more accurate to the level of power this person has than 'minister' or 'president'...
      The fantasy culture could easily have it that they have a 'lover' 1st wife/husband position and an official 'childbearer' 2nd wife/husband position if a genetic heir is still required which honestly isn't a particularly unlikely setup for either a gay or straight ruler (see: ye old harems, and dozens of other 'more than one spouse' systems used through the ages by those in power), or if this is a high magic setting you can just have babies from a gay couple be possible through the use of a specially designed spell or magic item that makes 'impossible matches' viable - personally my fav option since it's development can be easily justified in universe by noble types wanting to bypass the gender locking of marrying their second sons/daughters off to even more powerful families/some magical type who's lover was someone biologically incompatible gender/species and they REALLY wanted kids, allows for potential plot hooks in scenerios like 'the ruler and their partner used the spell/item but it was sabotaged and it's up to the party to figure out how and why', justifies the development of strange 'crossbress peoples in your setting and it lets the players have an in universe reason to be able to marry/have kids with whatever kind of -hopefully sapient- beings they choose to romance =D
      That said... While I agree questioning is fine on it's own (can be very useful for worldbuilding actually! =D) the guy being talked about in story clearly wasn't questioning in good faith and that IS an issue, regardless of what the topic is about.

  • @dabradmp1
    @dabradmp1 2 місяці тому +61

    Another good example why gatekeeping is important in D&D. LGBT propaganda in recent years only destroy game sessions.

    • @tonyblitz1
      @tonyblitz1 2 місяці тому +13

      Log off

    • @dabradmp1
      @dabradmp1 2 місяці тому +33

      ​@@tonyblitz1damn I think I found a modern audience tourist!!

    • @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt
      @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt 2 місяці тому +10

      @@tonyblitz1yea, you should

    • @TheArtistKnownAsNooblet
      @TheArtistKnownAsNooblet 2 місяці тому +14

      It only destroys sessions if someone in the group is the kind of baby that can't handle the mere existence of people that are not exactly like them.

    • @jbstarkiller4626
      @jbstarkiller4626 2 місяці тому +5

      @@TheArtistKnownAsNoobletOh we can handle them existing we just don’t like them🤣

  • @GamingPiper
    @GamingPiper 2 місяці тому +4

    Hey DM, can we set up a holding headquartered in waterdeep that has majority stake in our "company" which donated the dragons hoard to the foundation for dragon hoard research i just founded? that way we can write the dragon hoard off as a loss on our taxes.
    i dare any dm to tax my dragon hoard and i promise i WILL find a loophole in the law even if I have to set up a dozen shell companies in the far realms. i promise you i will get that tax cut and i will write that dragon hoard off as a loss by donating it to my own NGO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Slayerthegreat010
    @Slayerthegreat010 2 місяці тому +42

    Any game where another player starts to tell me that his character is bisexual is a no go. To each their own but I would stand up and say sorry guys this is not for me thanks for the invitation.
    Either that or I would say at session 0, no modern politics. Which includes lgbtq subjects. Sure others can say that they want them but that just shows that those are not the people that I want to play with. I don't care who these people want to have relations with outside the game but in game it hold no interest.

    • @Geesaroni
      @Geesaroni 2 місяці тому +21

      Genuinely, if it's that much of a big deal for you, bailing at session 0 is the right call. You're saving yourself and everyone around you a ton of grief.

    • @DuncTV
      @DuncTV 2 місяці тому

      very long message just to reveal to everyone that you're a loser

    • @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt
      @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt 2 місяці тому +11

      @@Geesaronithere is legitimately no reason in d&d, unless you are doing sexual roleplay, that i need to know your sexuality.

    • @Geesaroni
      @Geesaroni 2 місяці тому +13

      @@TheStreamThatJakeBuilt I would say a good 80% of D&D games I've seen or been in have contained no sexual roleplay whatsoever but HAVE involved some kind of casual flirting with the barmaid/barman or some kind of relationships. Even if sometimes it's as abstracted as "I flirt with the cute waitress and that's my action in this tavern" it's _really_ common.
      You don't think it's better for everyone to say it up front before anybody gets invested, rather than dealing with someone having a freakout because the big beefy barbarian starts flirting with the barman instead of the barmaid?
      No agendas need apply, that's just practicality.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому +3

      a bard being bisexual is the least political/controversial thing that has ever existed in D&D, if you can't handle that then the game isn't for you

  • @bingbongwahoo-ov1ip
    @bingbongwahoo-ov1ip 2 місяці тому +2

    whole groups sounds like a bunch of smarmy social media content junkies.

  • @Deathmageddon
    @Deathmageddon 3 місяці тому +43

    Dude may not have handled things well, but he’s got a point. The family is the fundamental political unit, and it always involved gender difference until five minutes ago. Saying it’s even possible for two men to be married is a controversial political statement.

    • @DargorV
      @DargorV 2 місяці тому +9

      Gays and bisexual have existed for way longer than 5 minutes granpa 😂

    • @АндрейНеугодников-м6е
      @АндрейНеугодников-м6е 2 місяці тому +25

      ​@@DargorVyou are deliberately missing his point.

    • @illicithurricane
      @illicithurricane 2 місяці тому

      @@DargorV nope.
      Before “modern times” people would stick it wherever they wanted it not cause they were gay or bi or lesbian.
      We werent evolved enogh to have self control. Dont start spitting “facts” about Romans or other cultures, I am Italian, I’ve studied better than Americans, dont worry about it 😂 some of your countrymen (better, a man pretending to be a girl) said complete nonsense about I Galli that were romans priests and dressed/lived as women 😂😂😂😂 y’all need to sit down and stop taking history as a blank page.
      As far as politics: being queer IS political. Old LGB and the sane Ts are divorcing from the sh!t that’s been floating these past 20ish years.
      So, nope. Being gay, trns or queer is not something that’s always existed: it’s just people regressing to Neanderthal stage, chill liberal.
      Personally I am glad I had the chance to play dnd when it was still a SANE space.
      If I’ll ever try it again, as soon as someone mentions any queersh!t, I am out.
      Same if I am the DM: no queerz at my table.

    • @LadyHermes
      @LadyHermes 2 місяці тому +8

      @@DargorV What about gay marriage then ?
      Yeah, that's what I thought...

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому +2

      @@LadyHermes its been legal in various parts of the world for over 20 years

  • @somethindarker
    @somethindarker 2 місяці тому +18

    And then everyone clapped.

  • @stuartanderson6785
    @stuartanderson6785 2 місяці тому +3

    I think you have a problem of selecting your group. I've run games and played D&D and other games since 1978 and have NEVER had an issue even remotely close to your last couple of vids.

    • @easiestcc6451
      @easiestcc6451 16 годин тому

      Loot Goblin tells stories from OTHER PEOPLE though.

  • @MaeveK
    @MaeveK 6 днів тому

    nah bro, the second they are something as personal as ones romantic/sexual orientation with politics, you tell them "you're no longer welcome at this table. door's over there"

  • @shadowpoet4398
    @shadowpoet4398 22 дні тому

    Whenever characters get too big for their britches, I call in my Pale Mistress character Vajra to literally bash them with the crystal end of her staff, paralyzing them and doing 2d10 bludgeoning damage, yelling "THE BALANCE PREVAILS!" before leaving like that black dude in the cowboy hat and purple speedo from that one movie

  • @RandomGamerCory
    @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +22

    when people say they dont like politics in games they mean on the same level as the family guy trump peter fight. you cant have a deep storied political game when the modern devs have to make the side they dislike look pure evil.
    also its funny that the side who preaches *everything is political* draws the line at sexualities. but everything else totally political.

    • @stoneharvey1017
      @stoneharvey1017 3 місяці тому +4

      That's certainly what the smarter people who say 'no politics at the table' want, but in this case, and some others, they mean, they don't want non-political things that offend them to be present.
      I've never seen Loot Goblin say everything is political. I'm well aware of those types of people, and they're cringe. Not everyone or even most people who recognize being bi/gay/trans ect isn't political, also think everything is political.
      Anita Sarkeesian and some dumb liberal feminists aren't really all that popular in many circles.

    • @sovietdoge.7369
      @sovietdoge.7369 3 місяці тому

      Haha, I don't think an orange is politics, you're wrong. Your whole argument is invalid. You can shut up now ;3

  • @Isheian
    @Isheian 17 днів тому +1

    Hey I play for the combat problem solving, not the roleplay aspect.

  • @louditalian1962
    @louditalian1962 Місяць тому +7

    I’m sorry but I kind of agree with Ronnie.

  • @jake_from_state7143
    @jake_from_state7143 Місяць тому +3

    Hard to believe half the incel shit Ronnie said is real considering the clear bias of OP. Granted, Ronnie should have saw where the winds were blowing and left, but the DM was objectively a passive aggressive little shit and should have been man enough to either talk things one on one with him or tell him to leave.

  • @lingricen8077
    @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +9

    I’d rather play with 20 Ronnies than any of those other 3 jerks. Ronnie stood up for the town at the end, he was the only hero.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому +2

      jokers plan was the only on that would actually give them money, trickledown has been proven not to work

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +5

      @@corberus3119 joker doesnt exist, argument invalid

  • @ShowerCurtain1
    @ShowerCurtain1 Місяць тому +5

    Everyone in this story sounds like a terminally online political weirdo. Mind you, this story was from the perspective of an OP who was clearly trying to paint the other guy's views in a negative light, and yet he still came off as being equally cringe. So make of that what you will.

  • @nailertn82
    @nailertn82 2 місяці тому +5

    A pair of married kings in a medieval fantasy setting has nothing to do with current day politics, it is in fact the guy calling it out who is making things political... ok.
    Despite the obviously one sided narration nobody in this story comes off as likeable or blame free.

  • @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt
    @TheStreamThatJakeBuilt 2 місяці тому +10

    Sounds like this entire party is politically-online-constantly-trash tbh.
    No real world politics, but math Yang hats. Mmkay dood

  • @jessematthews6861
    @jessematthews6861 2 місяці тому +1

    Ronnie was being a dick. Its why the unwritten rule of politics left at the door existed with the party i had in my home state, but i will admit that the response and retaliation from the rest of the party was not the best way to handle it and kind of a low blow. Plus, Ronnie's attempt at tax evasion wasn't a bad arguement. I personally didnt see it as "reganomics" even after he was judged as taking that approach. If anything i would have viewed it as tax evasion
    Must clarify when i say politics at the door. Campaigns and fantasy can have their own influences, but the moment a player snaps from fantasy and starts being blatant about their political or religious points there is a problem. If we are not playing the campaign and people are fine with discussion, it would be allowed within reason. Iron sharpens iron, not im right and your wrong

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому +1

      I think the story was fake but yeah it was amusing (in a sad way) that the party somehow thought the idea of evading taxes was invented by Reagan and hasnt existed as long as, you know, taxes have existed.

  • @namelesswanderer9315
    @namelesswanderer9315 12 днів тому

    The moment of the misunderstanding, "Oh I didn't know out of game. Therefore, my character did not say that, and only spoke a friendly offer with purely platonic vibes" and move on. Romance, Politics, Erotica, and Edgelord stuff is usually going to be a sign of trouble from the inciting player.

  • @robbie_g8308
    @robbie_g8308 2 місяці тому +6

    I remember the days of going into dungeons and killing monsters for quests or treasure. Why does gender and sex have to be in D&D. Sad days indeed.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому +2

      it is a well known trope going back decades that bards try to fuck anything, nothing about that is new or controversial

    • @RandomBoi848
      @RandomBoi848 8 днів тому

      @@corberus3119exactly, I don’t see why so many people have a hard time with having gay people in game when horny bards have existed since the beginning

  • @TheLonePARanger
    @TheLonePARanger Місяць тому +2

    Im gonna say this every single one of those people (if this story is real) is a asshole and there are definitely details being left out

  • @SirFailsalot91
    @SirFailsalot91 2 місяці тому +5

    Imposing an "adventurers tax" would be a fun way to make a BBEG ruler who's a complete jerk, NGL.

  • @Havocme7
    @Havocme7 3 місяці тому +19

    5:25 - His logic is sound.
    5:35 - His logic falls apart.

    • @lootgoblinmarketplace
      @lootgoblinmarketplace  3 місяці тому +15

      Yeah, for a second the man almost had a point but then it takes a wild turn.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +7

      His logic was just an excuse to deny people.

  • @ARescueToaster
    @ARescueToaster 2 місяці тому +2

    I'm thinking that whoever wrote this is most at fault because you know for certain they aren't adding in all of the crappy things they themselves did.
    They all seem to be the problem and Ronnie seems, at least from what was said, to be probably the least offensive one involved. He could be a young dumb horny character for all we know. Sure, a few of the things he was said to have said (keep in mind this is all hearsay) were odd, but the other players kept breaking their own rules of "no politics", continued to mishandle things and ven escalated tensions purposefully (while also trying to act as if they were entirely blameless).
    Also, I think Ronnie brought up a great question about tieflings and I'd certainly have fought back against that 'tax' too (in character, of course).

  • @Terra-Quattuor
    @Terra-Quattuor 2 місяці тому +6

    I do not take part in social games, for similar reasons to this video. I am sick of politics in everything, but I am also so algorythmically entangled in political everything, I avoid games with other people specifically because I do not want to be THAT person, complaining about politics in everything and getting all butthurt. I'd say this fella (like myself), needs to be weined off the political commentary circles.

    • @themustachioedfish5988
      @themustachioedfish5988 2 місяці тому +2

      I mean, the non-social games usually can be considered political so long as they have some form of story. And if you consider people having a sexuality to be political, that means that any game with a character would be political. Hell, it also means YOU'RE political.

  • @carlmanvers5009
    @carlmanvers5009 Місяць тому

    I happen to enjoy playing characters that are the complete opposite of myself in real life.

  • @ThePunisher_88
    @ThePunisher_88 2 місяці тому +24

    I had a NPC that was meant to be the ultra cool nice guy leader for one of the human armies and one of the prime quest givers for the party. I described him as "Golden haired, somewhat sunworn skin, a few small scars and brown eyes" and everyone loved the character. He was a guy genuinely concerned about his country and hated all the constant bickering between nobles and the king causing problems for the peasant folk. He wanted to defuse tension with the neighboring kingdom and route out the problems being caused by assassins hired by nobles sent to off one another. Well everyone liked him except THAT player whom pretty quickly started saying "This is just Donald Trump. We obviously can't trust him."
    I had to just lean into it and start doing his voice as a Trump imitation and start sayin "We have to make this kingdom great again" annoying him until he finally left the campaign because he kept expecting a betrayal that never came. I kid you not at one point he said "It's only a matter of time if we keep helping this guy it's gonna be too late and he'll seize power and start putting all the elves and dwarves in concentration camps"
    So cringe.Trump2024.

  • @danweber6972
    @danweber6972 2 місяці тому +2

    Sure sounds like the group has some prior history about politics into the game and this video demonstrates it early on. Math hat. Clear ref to a president this group sounds like they wouldn't agree with, and so on. Ronnie didn't read the room with these players and move on. And yeah the dms response at the end solidified that.

  • @silvertheelf
    @silvertheelf 5 днів тому

    I love politics in my games because of the ability of 4 lunatics to completely circumvent the system and accidentally destroy 3 castles and topple an entire empire in 1 day, leading to complete chaos throughout the surrounding nations.
    My players very well know I care a lot about the politics of my fantasy.

  • @brentrav
    @brentrav 2 місяці тому +37

    Ronnie might've been a bit annoying at the beginning but everyone just ganged up on Ronnie. They were the assholes

    • @the_tactician9858
      @the_tactician9858 2 місяці тому +5

      Ronnie didn't belong in this group... having said that, Ronnie definitely was more than just 'annoying'. If you sulk both in and out of character because you 'didn't get the girl' at the end of a campaign and get adamant about not following local laws just because it would cost you a cut of what you earned, that indicates to me that you're not interacting with stories in a healthy way. To me it just sounds like entitlement, and given this seems like it continued for the entire campaign I can see why the group ganged up on him.

    • @tubetorpedo
      @tubetorpedo 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@the_tactician9858 _"get adamant about not following local laws just because it would cost you a cut of what you earned"_
      As example in DnD there are alignment classes like lawful and chaotic so depending character it would be perfectly in character to be against rules and laws and e.g. systems like taxation. Lawful characters are all about law and order and chaotic are against those concepts. Game does not need to use actual DnD ruleset, this was just example how characters different moral and ethical perspectives generally work in background.
      IF it was actual role playing game it would be strange if every character should automatically agree over something just because it happens to be the "local law".
      Very obvious example, how about thief/rogue characters?
      Is thieving not usually punishable by local laws IF getting caught in most game settings? If we follow the logic that local laws should be respected as a house rule, thief characters and pickpocketing etc. are not allowed? Or is thieving stuff allowed despite it being against local laws, but being against taxation is not because it would be against local laws which has to be respected? How about killing people in game setting?
      Also the whole comment about "trickle-down" came out of the left field. That there is a real world political concept of certain type of thinking does not make using that logic in game automatically political statement. Else we could easily argue that tax system in game makes it political too because it is inherently political concept in itself to collect money to fund (local) government. It's perfectly natural you will see some amount RL political stuff in game because games use numerous RL concepts to set out the game world.

    • @the_tactician9858
      @the_tactician9858 2 місяці тому +1

      @@tubetorpedoOf course there is room for evil characters and creative ways to avoid payment. But at this point the campaign is over, this was a little joke which happened to piss off Ronnie. I would agree with you if this was the only incident, then this would have been a pathetic showing from the other players. But Ronnie is pretty clearly having expectations that don't suit this group, like 'heroes always get the girl'. His behaviour seems problematic not just because of his actions, but also because of his attitude towards those actions. Trying to outsmart the fantasy version of the IRS is not problematic, but throwing a bit of a hissy fit because a supposed joke at the end of a campaign costing you imaginary money can definitely be annoying.
      Of course it is very well possible that Ronnie is in fact a decent person who just got bullied by a group of 'friends', but that's the risk of only hearing one side of the story. I for one can definitely see why OP would be annoyed with Ronnie, he just didn't suit the group particularly well. Do note, I am not trying to judge Ronnie or the group as people here, even if I am judging their behaviour. I do not know OP, I do not know Ronnie. Ronnie might be the nicest guy on this hemisphere, and OP might kill cats in his spare time, but that doesn't matter. All I can judge is the behaviour inside the campaign, and Ronnie's behaviour is definitely the kind of annoying that would strike a wrong cord with me, so I can see why OP thought he was a problem player.

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +2

      @@the_tactician9858Ronnie was legit entertaining

    • @the_tactician9858
      @the_tactician9858 2 місяці тому +1

      @@lingricen8077 Hmm, let's just agree to disagree, this is not a hill I'm planning on dying on... If you think this kind of behaviour is funny or at least not all too bad, that's fine, I've made my case.

  • @Usmc86
    @Usmc86 2 місяці тому +2

    I have only ever played D&D once and enjoyed it my question is this in your experience have you seen conservative and liberal players get along without politics bleeding into the game? I would like to find a play group but am nervous it could be an issue

    • @n.d.m.515
      @n.d.m.515 2 місяці тому +4

      It was never an issue until every day activities and normal beliefs became political. When everyone wanted to play the game more for the role play than gathering treasure and killing monsters, a particular group began infesting all geek hobbies. Those who wanted to make a statement rather than have fun really killed the vibe.

    • @jackson68x
      @jackson68x 2 місяці тому +2

      Start playing with your friends who you already know are normal. Trying to find a group online that’s not filled with parties like the one in the story is incredibly difficult. To answer your question generally you won’t know if you’re playing with a conservative player but you will immediately know if you’re playing with a liberal one because they will be like the OP in this story.

  • @lkuhhdsfgasdgvdadfg
    @lkuhhdsfgasdgvdadfg 2 місяці тому +21

    You bring lgbt theams into game, you can't be suprised when people talk about lgbt theams. And yes. It is politics. No other modules have had lgbt theams but now, magicly they do. When woke cluture and dei are at its high, and wizards of the cost in particular. Garbage people, that Rony dosen't fit with. Poor guy

  • @JP-1990
    @JP-1990 2 місяці тому

    I have a friend who's a diehard lefty but he enjoys playing right-wing characters completely straight and... Whatever the term is for "playing on the other side for shits and giggles".
    I feel like Ronnie couldve saved himself a lot of grief and had these words be from the mouth of his character, and just say that his rogue is supposed to be a bit of an Eric Cartman type who often says uncouth things that can make for funny misunderstandings and hijinks.

  • @yammoyammamoto8323
    @yammoyammamoto8323 2 місяці тому +12

    I would likely have skipped any further sessions.
    Bringing any form of sexual stuff into gaming is like someone all of a sudden playing chess with two queens. just - you can play any game you want - but I'm gonna walk away...
    ...you can have your Concord. I have no issues not buying or partaking in any Concord-like games.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 2 місяці тому +5

      a bisexual bard isn't controversial at all

    • @yammoyammamoto8323
      @yammoyammamoto8323 Місяць тому +2

      @@corberus3119
      That was like saying "there's nothing controversial about painters from Austria" :D

  • @necishax610
    @necishax610 Місяць тому +6

    Sorry but the LGBTQ+ mafia have positioned the whole gender and sexual preference thing to the point where I get Ronnie, assuming that was even the actual story. Just leave it out, as fare as other real world politics. For me that would be a hard NO. As for the "But everything is political" crowed... fuck off, you know full well what people mean. But as always people with leftist beliefs don't want to talk politics when it goes against them.
    Thinking more about it, actually sounds like Ronnie embraced the RP aspect, trying to argue his characters way out of getting taxed.

  • @thethrashyone
    @thethrashyone 2 місяці тому +10

    Lefties: "Everything is political!"
    Also lefties: "Stop calling LGBTQWERTYUIOP political!"

  • @Gashnaw
    @Gashnaw 3 місяці тому +13

    Politics, POLITICS?
    King Excell: i am gonna build a wall, and make the tieflings pay for it

    • @АндрейНеугодников-м6е
      @АндрейНеугодников-м6е 2 місяці тому +1

      That would be just as cringe

    • @Gashnaw
      @Gashnaw 2 місяці тому +1

      @@АндрейНеугодников-м6е i actually pulled it off. Took my players a little too long to notice the reference.

    • @DarkSpyro707
      @DarkSpyro707 2 місяці тому

      *laughs in Baldur's Gate 3*

  • @RenegadeGuardian-fc2ox
    @RenegadeGuardian-fc2ox 2 місяці тому +7

    i Doubt the story with the taxes,

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +2

      yeh, token pretending to get the last word. I bet joker never existed

  • @AUZlE
    @AUZlE 2 місяці тому +20

    It wasn’t political but it WAS ideological. Don’t be silly.

  • @bkanderson2659
    @bkanderson2659 Місяць тому +5

    I’ll take “things that probably never happened” for $500, Alex. If real, it’s a good example of what can happen when you don’t gatekeep your hobby to keep activist weirdos out. I’d rather play with Ronnie than any of the karens in this story.

    • @OdelyxRa
      @OdelyxRa 24 дні тому +1

      Found the person who doesn't think people can be gay in a fantasy setting.

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому +1

      @@OdelyxRa Being gay makes sense, having two OPENLY gay kings does not.. because that's not how kingdoms work. Even a gay king would have a wife, even if purely for political and lineage reasons. Hell, that would make it more interesting, the gay king and his (potentially distant and cold) wife he only married for political reasons and to have an heir, then his close "advisor" or assistant or whatever with whom he is actually romantically engaged.

    • @bkanderson2659
      @bkanderson2659 20 днів тому

      @@OdelyxRa Not at all what I said, but OK.

  • @frateranpvbail-shm6912
    @frateranpvbail-shm6912 2 місяці тому +23

    Sounds like you dogpiled on Ronnie :/
    the guy had a point

  • @SeriousMcNofun
    @SeriousMcNofun 2 місяці тому +4

    Fake story but cute video

  • @bossbullyboy195
    @bossbullyboy195 3 місяці тому +12

    Putting in Andrew Yang, it's truly the political cringe of the story

  • @mr.mcnerdo
    @mr.mcnerdo 2 місяці тому +6

    As a conservative myself, I personally don't care to engage with the whole sexuality thing in my games. That being said, when I'm playing with other people that do, I'd rather everyone have fun and do what they want in-game, so long as it is in-character. My beliefs shouldn't ruin someone else's game.

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому

      I prefer to just play out my character's sexuality through the situations themselves, if they ever even come up. My usual DM and party mates are intelligent enough to pick up what type my character might be into just by who they flirt with or turn away, without having to wear a name tag that says "Hi! I'm PC and I am Gay/Bi/Straight!"

  • @wolfofthewest8019
    @wolfofthewest8019 2 місяці тому +26

    Ronnie is the only person in this story that isn't a dumbass.

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 2 місяці тому +2

      Yeah and he was legitimately entertaining. “Its typical for a hero to get a girl at the end, right?”!
      “yeah but there are slim pickings”
      I can imagine Ronnie just sighing and saying “Fine, I’ll take 2 mingers then”

  • @mileslugo6430
    @mileslugo6430 3 місяці тому +31

    Bisexual bard is very Bard pilled

    • @ViviBuchlaw
      @ViviBuchlaw 3 місяці тому +6

      It's the current pop culture interpretation, but it is not what being a bard is about, nor should it be

    • @mileslugo6430
      @mileslugo6430 3 місяці тому +6

      @@ViviBuchlaw hey, the essence of being a bard is to be Human. Which is admittedly even more Ambiguous than whatever it means to be a bard. And yes there is something raunchy in there; but, I agree with you there is more to it than just that.

    • @ViviBuchlaw
      @ViviBuchlaw 3 місяці тому +1

      @@mileslugo6430 Do not conflate Allosexuality with what it means to be human. Ace people are human, cmon

    • @TOUGHEYES
      @TOUGHEYES 3 місяці тому +4

      Ngl, I'm kinda sick of that kind of bard. There's nothing unique or funny about it anymore. Bring back Thom Merrilin types from Wheel of Time, go for some character depth, not orifice inches.

    • @sovietdoge.7369
      @sovietdoge.7369 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@TOUGHEYES There are many, many, many ways to do a mystical bard
      I, personally, would love more punk bards going against the system in goth clothing. I'd like more bards to be more linked to a specific style of music in their character
      But also it's really easy to make a bard who's only character trait is S E X

  • @SkollTheWerewolf
    @SkollTheWerewolf 3 місяці тому +25

    Honestly I wouldn't want to be in that group to begin with, they seem like the kind of "I just think the game in 1403 Bohemia should have black characters" type of people. I'm with Ronnie on this one

    • @doktorfoxtrot659
      @doktorfoxtrot659 3 місяці тому +10

      Obvious bait is obvious

    • @Havocme7
      @Havocme7 3 місяці тому +13

      I don't think it's bait. I agree with them. There are more people out there who think the same way as "Ronnie" than there are that do not. They are just not in the groups you are in.
      The, to use 1980s TV terms, "Suggestive Themes" of the campaign should have been talked about in Zero. I agree with that. I had a group where people were romancing. I tuned out. It's not for me, but I'm not going to stop others.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +8

      ​@@Havocme7Guy using "no politics" as an excuse for bigotry.

    • @RandomGamerCory
      @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +11

      dont forget the land of people in wheelchairs when healing magic is literally everywhere.

    • @sovietdoge.7369
      @sovietdoge.7369 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@RandomGamerCory What if the fantasy healing magic doesn't grow limbs back or help certain illnesses? Won't there always be specific cases in which disabled people exist? Why can't there be poisons or magical sicknesses that negate healing magic? (Having a virus that has evolved to stop healing magic like viruses mutate in reality is actually kinda sick)

  • @osogitzgraymane72
    @osogitzgraymane72 3 місяці тому +25

    There is a difference between having politics to service the world and plot of your story and your hamfisted activism.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +11

      There's also a difference between not wanting politics taking things over and whining about people existing.

    • @LilFeralGangrel
      @LilFeralGangrel 3 місяці тому +14

      saying people exist isn't "politics" nor is it "activism".

    • @RandomGamerCory
      @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +14

      @@LilFeralGangrel then how come the same people who say that say EVERYTHING is political, its funny how it magically stops with things they believe in

    • @sovietdoge.7369
      @sovietdoge.7369 3 місяці тому

      ​@@RandomGamerCory Gay and trans people aren't political. The opinion that they are bad people automatically is political.

    • @Kepora1
      @Kepora1 2 місяці тому

      @Lil no one IA saying people don't exist. Nobody is trans though because humans can't change their sex, and the idea they can is literal communist gobbledygook.

  • @TheMightyBattleSquid
    @TheMightyBattleSquid 3 місяці тому +5

    My only instance of politics mucking up a game had the GM of a POWER RANGERS game randomly deciding we should take a few sessions navigating the political landscape of North Korea. This then led to one player and, by extension his character, saying that *ALL* Koreans were 'pigs that would be doing the world a favor offing themselves' and... other colorful language. Can you believe I left that table before the next session? 😅

    • @dwaynejackson551
      @dwaynejackson551 3 місяці тому

      I'd have been the kinda guy to troll a guy.

  • @cccpike
    @cccpike 2 місяці тому +2

    I don't like real world politics in my games, and I've never done romantic roleplay either. If I ever did, I would likely feel awkward doing it, but doubly so if it was same sex romance. If it made sense for the setting, such as ancient Greece, I would at least understand it and deal with it, because I would know to expect it. But something like a married pair of kings in an otherwise traditional fantasy setting would come completely out of the blue. Just because it was in the module would really not make it okay, since I would know it was there because of the writer's political leanings. Fine, you want to have two kings, go for it. I could name a real life country with an archaic form of government with two heads of state. But why do they need to be married? What does that add to the module, except make some players uncomfortable?
    That is the part I will never understand about identity politics. Why do so many people feel the need to advertise their most private feelings to total strangers? My native language only has a single pronoun for everyone, male, female, furry little creatures from Alpha Centauri, does not matter. When I travel, foreigners cannot tell my gender from my first name. One time, while sharing a hotel room with my sister, the reservation referred to us as Mr. and Mrs. We got a laugh out of it, it never once crossed my mind to get offended about it. When introducing myself, I never say what I identify as, because that is none of your business. And that is why it bothers me when other people advertise their identities and pronouns to me - why do they think I would be interested in knowing whether they are straight or gay? I'm here to play DnD, not looking for a date!

  • @Unfennited-dl5cu
    @Unfennited-dl5cu 2 місяці тому +6

    Early on, Ronnie was kind of being an ass by conflating sexuality with politics considering he was the first one to bring sexuality to the table. At least if that is the full story as I always caveat that these stories are very one sided we don't get a full story so it's easy to cut things out.
    To me it sounds like a lot of that stuff didn't really come up during the campaign or at the end until he argued against taxes. But at that point I think it would have been good to just tell him "hey this is a one shot the money doesn't really matter as these characters aren't permanent."
    The party then deciding the straight up make references to real world politics as a spite play against him is kind of petty and I get it's easy to hold your spite in that way but jesus. Then the GM low key booting him out of the party I hope was followed with a serious discussion with him about the direction of the game , ect.
    To me this reads like "I didn't want to deal with an issue at the table like an adult so I just cut it out"
    Which I don't like.

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому

      Why does it matter even if its the last session? I don't see harm in his character trying to RP his way out of taxes without metaing "its the end of the game bro who cares", obviously his character would care

    • @Unfennited-dl5cu
      @Unfennited-dl5cu 21 день тому

      @@viysnjor4811
      The reason that it being a one shot matters is that since it's a one shot. Gold is kind of arbitrary and doesn't really mean anything. I get where you're coming from in that 'Rp is RP, but some RP' is kind of just unnecessary. Like imagine someone wasting hours out of your day when you're on a time constraint arguing over the payment for a quest. Sure, it would logically make sense and be in character but realistically there has to be that little bit of meta-gaming where you acknowledge that everybody is here for fun not to watch you argue.

  • @madvulcan8964
    @madvulcan8964 Місяць тому

    You can how ever you like as long as everyone on ball with that they agreed on in session 0. If you start springing up additional conditions without informing others, just why would you do that?

  • @RedHatGuyYT
    @RedHatGuyYT 2 місяці тому +1

    it's only political if it's preachy. otherwise who cares?

  • @user-rz6wx8wr9p
    @user-rz6wx8wr9p Місяць тому

    My character is political lol. She is extremely racist toward goblins due to past trauma. Makes it very difficult for our party, especially if we ever come across any friendly goblins. Zephyra, my character, will attack on sight

  • @handsomeheroharry
    @handsomeheroharry 2 місяці тому +2

    JUSTICE OR RONNIES TAXES

  • @ArcCaravan
    @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +62

    You don't want politics in tabletop games, don't treat peoples' identities as political.

    • @RandomGamerCory
      @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +21

      dont call everything political if you dont want *identities* being political.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +14

      @@RandomGamerCory Only if people who say they don't want politics in games aren't just salty about characters that aren't cisgender heterosexual WASPS.

    • @RandomGamerCory
      @RandomGamerCory 3 місяці тому +14

      @@ArcCaravan people who say they dont want politics in games mean they dont want the same tier political writing as trump vs peter griffin.
      modern writers literally can not do a balanced deep political story.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +13

      @@RandomGamerCory And in this case, the guy who said they didn't want politics only said that because there were LGBTQ+ characters. Basically denying a non-political character for political reasons.

    • @Moumentai
      @Moumentai 3 місяці тому +10

      ​@@RandomGamerCory
      Not a shred of that is true, but okay.

  • @alttaab
    @alttaab 3 місяці тому +26

    That ending was pretty hilarious. I don't know if I'd have kept someone like that at my table though, it's pretty hard to see how someone equating politics to sexual orientation doesn't make them a bigot - unless they have a tragic backstory where there entire family was killed by two evil gay kings...

    • @kingcamelot1395
      @kingcamelot1395 3 місяці тому +2

      It's a bit of a mixed bag. You can hear all about pride and how lgbtq are making great strides and conquering adversity. Good for them. But at the same time, you can't help but feel... left out. When you see the traction movements like that are getting, and compare them to yourself, sometimes it can make you feel like "It's no longer normal to be normal."
      Do not mistake me, the guy probably shouldn't have reacted the way he did. There really is nothing wrong with being gay, or any sexuality or identity you can think of. You need to look at it and be able to think, "That's normal, same as me."
      You can't assume that every instance of lgbtq is an attack on you. You'll drive yourself insane if you do that.

    • @DellikkilleD
      @DellikkilleD 3 місяці тому +5

      @@kingcamelot1395 there are many sexualities that there is *much* wrong with. maps and furries, for example.

    • @CrowePerch
      @CrowePerch 3 місяці тому

      @@DellikkilleDFurries are a kink and maps are sexual predators targeting young children, which is a crime. Don’t call those sexualities, that’s not what that word means.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +9

      @@DellikkilleD M.A.P.S. are definitely wrong, furries are no worse than goths.

    • @ArcCaravan
      @ArcCaravan 3 місяці тому +8

      @@kingcamelot1395 Can't really pity people feeling left out by LGBTQ+ pride (or any other pride like race or nationality) when the ones feeling that pride now were denied before.

  • @imapseudonym6198
    @imapseudonym6198 2 місяці тому +8

    Generally speaking I try to keep sexuality out of roleplay. Like, it's fine to make allusions to it, it's fine for a character to have an orientation, it's fine to make jokes with.... but as soon as it becomes the actual focus of the scene I just get incredibly uncomfortable. Even in Baldur's Gate 3, I decided to play along in the incubus scene mostly as a joke, because that's what I was anticipating it would be.... but then the game took my agreement 100% seriously and oh dear god was I trying to abort that cutscene as soon as possible.

    • @shadowfoxspirit9
      @shadowfoxspirit9 2 місяці тому +1

      I'm in the same boat as you with the baldur game thing, I try my best not to do anything that could possibly lead to a sexual encounter with any of the companions or the guardian. To the point where withers even calls me out on it. Like I want to play a video game not see glorified pron in my game

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому

      Thats my main issue with BG3 in general, everyone is WAY to eager to get it on with the PC lmao
      Like, I love the game and it deserves GotY, but I was nice to Wyll in like two conversations then suddenly he's trying to date me and gets SUPER pissed when I tell him nah fam im not into you

  • @unwrittenpaige7791
    @unwrittenpaige7791 Місяць тому

    "I don't think tieflings can be gay" Um, has this man played DnD before? Tieflings are unanimously the gayest race.

  • @anderwood6005
    @anderwood6005 2 місяці тому +8

    Seems like the liberal players just ganged up on the one that's conservative. Especially with that end.

    • @viysnjor4811
      @viysnjor4811 21 день тому

      Probably not even necessarily conservative, could just as easily be as liberal as them but not on board with identity politics

    • @RandomBoi848
      @RandomBoi848 8 днів тому

      @@viysnjor4811so you agree with the weirdo then? The weirdo that insisted being queer is political? Log off

  • @Joe-Przybranowski
    @Joe-Przybranowski 2 місяці тому +5

    I don't recall ever using real world politics in any of my games.

  • @OdelyxRa
    @OdelyxRa 24 дні тому

    The comments section doesn't pass the vibe check at all. Allying with Ronnie after "lesbian tieflings would be married offc is insane work.