10 years ago I was in a psychology class discussing compliance in Nazi Germany. I asked everyone how might we be doing the same thing now? The question was ignored, because it didn't even register, that the human traits we were discussing, applied to us too.
@@MPW66 I agree with you, I actually made the same point elsewhere in this comment section. I think dehumanising actually has its uses, it's something we evolved for a reason.
How many people deferred to the preassembled opinions of their proxies in the expert class? Why did 80+% of public school teachers support the now-obviously silly mandates to mask children and keep schools closed? Because they have been conditioned to stay quiet. The more power we entrust to public officials the more nonsense we should expect.
I wrote against abortion and my comment got deleted. Can't speak against the agenda. We're already like 1940s Germany, the entire world. People sacrifice their children to convenience. While they're still in the womb. People decide for themselves who is worthy of life based on arbitrary terms.
Higher education is very important for the gifted. Without it, one can go through one’s life thinking they are flawless in their application of logic. When you are in the top, say 0.1%, you are very rarely challenged. And, even when you are wrong, you can easily defeat those around you by outthinking them while defending your stance. However, when you attend a top university, you will be shown to be wrong by people who are at your level. It is there that you learn that your instincts and common sense are sometimes not enough to make breakthroughs-to see what others cannot see.
The problem is that he himself has delivered so much bullshit. There are psychologists who can do this much better than any part of society. But there are also many that display defects and if you can't see them, then that's certainly not an advantage. There are probably reasons why the masses cannot see the quality defects so well. It is not just the masses but every person has a problem with mass psychosis. The masses have a problem with the criteria and that leads to a whole mass of problems. The masses work very poorly with the topic of cognitive abilities and this is confirmed with various consequences. I am not a psychologist. I have been dealing with this topic and with philosophy and many other topics that are connected to science for decades. During the time when the virus was a problem, it became even clearer that the entire mass had a problem with the criteria. The sum of the opinions not only indicated a problem at that time that eludes the perception of many people. There are many problems here, and in the end they all have to do with the abilities of the masses. When the question of blame arises, people generally try to shift the blame onto someone else. People live their day with a mask on and there are only very few who can see very deep into the well. Humans have a problem with various deficits and basically everyone is affected by them. I have seen psychologists who have made great statements and expressed great opinions, but this was definitely not so good. Der Mensch hat ein Problem mit der Wahrnehmung und das steht mit einem Problem mit der Realität in einer Verbindung oder auch mit der Entwicklung. Das steht so dann mit einem Problem mit der Sprache in einer Verbindung oder oft mit einem Problem mit den Messungen. People live with contradictions and if you can see them better, then that is certainly not a disadvantage. All the observations that I have noted here form a causal chain in which one word or statement supports the next. The masses here have a problem recognizing when a psychologist is in a good or bad position in the room. People don't have the quality to question people appropriately and that's where the problem lies. I have dealt extensively with the topic of manipulation of the masses. I am the stupid person who was the first to connect the tipping point issue with climate problems. I am one of those stupid people, but I seem to question the world quite well. The people here hardly or not at all see how affected they themselves can be. The problem also occurs very often among psychologists, but not all of them. You can put quality on a ladder and science is definitely at the top. People further down the ladder have less and less to do with it. People see themselves at the top of the ladder very quickly and far too hastily. People see themselves at the top of the ladder very quickly and far too hastily. What they don't see is that even those at the top still have a way to go. They don't stand in the room like ripe fruit, and I probably don't either. It may be that I can provide better insights that will take a person a little further and certainly not to the top. The findings in the series above already indicate a lot of problems. But this is only one approach that can show what may elude our perception. This shows only a small part of the causes and mutual effects that lead to a whole host of problems. People have a problem with criteria and that also leads to a lot of problems that can be associated with people's views. The sum of the problems leads to a few causes, which most people do not see. There are reasons for this and most people here do not see them because they themselves are among those affected.
I was a real loner as a child, I wonder whether many people who don’t toe the line have a deep knowledge of being outside the group and are not so scared to place themselves there?
I will have a good think about this! In the various groups formed in response to the lockdown and jav mandate, I have been struck by the disparity between the individuals who saw through the scam and stood against it.
I think it's true, I've worked with victims of domestic violence, both men and women. None took the jabby, but plenty of friends with credentials did. Once you're on the outside, looking in, you see more clearly. Once you've had severe pain, something like shaming won't work on you.
I only speculate but, perhaps many loners truly care little for social approval, but perhaps many of them learned early to "give up" on peer approval. There may be others who had many friends and associates, were members of many social circles, who did not actively seek approval.
Some have still not got back their bank accounts that Trudeau shut to force an end to protest. He is a true example of a ‘liberal’ far left, a liberal authoritarian.
The really great thing to come out of what the truckers did was to shine a light on what happens when governments start to control the financial transactions of individuals, it's all very well talking about the dangers of a cbdc but when people actually see transactions stopped and the illusion that you "own" the money/currency (or tokenised representation of you toil and accumulated resources) in your bank is revealed it spurs people on to learn about non government money and alternatives like bitcoin/gold and to further understand how currency is created through the issuance of bonds (debt) and fractionalized banking and other claims on yours and future generations labour, then its given out in a miss allocation of resources that is mind boggling, contractors sucking out value in the military industrial complex for example, companies 7 x'ing billions of dollars through simply manufacturing weird serums that are to be injected into the arms of the masses and so on and so forth
Mathias Desmet is always on point, such a clear voice from a clear mind. And I love that he always pushes a deeper, spiritual approach to corrupt authority.
Upton Sinclair already nailed this down. People who have careers and credentials will engage in any mendacity necessary to protect those careers and credentials.
I read ‘Upton Sinclair’ in high school, & was puzzled that ‘adults’ didn’t find his books as alarming as ‘1984’ & ‘Brave New World’… … sounding the alarms on authoritarian dystopias…
@@ericjohnson9468 The ‘adults’ never read any of these books. I’ve seen some of my parents textbooks, and it’s dismal what people have learned in American schools. Most of what Orwell, Huxley, Sinclair et al write would be terrifying for many people. More recently, it has become apparent that people rather mechanically laughed at George Carlin, but if they understood what he was saying, they wouldn’t have liked him. I think people laugh when they know something is wrong, but can’t see it in themselves, so something subconsciously happens and they laugh to shake off the pain. Listen to live laughter in any talk or lecture. It’s often uncomfortable.
Proud to be one of only 3% of Australians who refused the 💉 and resisted the mass formation, despite the devastating personal costs. -------------------- EDIT: Some commenters below have been querying my source. This statistic was provided by the Australian Department of Health and Aged Care, and it refers to 3% of eligible Australians, rather than 3% of all Australians. Obviously, the non-eligible had no need to 'refuse' the 💉, as they were not being coerced to take it. Indeed there was a very strange medico-legal abberration which occurred in my country, with 2-tier lockdown rules, which allowed the v axxed and those who were unv axxed due to non-eligibility to be granted greater freedoms of movement and association than those who we unv axxed by choice. So clearly, our government's impetus to abrogate freedoms was intended as a measure of coercive control and punishment of freethinkers, rather than a necessary measure for public safety - otherwise ALL un vaxxed would have been subject to the more stringent lockdown rules. Not that I believe 'public safety' is EVER a justifiable reason for years-long abrogations of basic civil rights... but that's another story. Note on epistemology: Some other commenters below have also suggested that I shouldn't trust the official statistics. I don't necessarily disagree. Though they are the most credible statistics I can access without omnipotence. And they do concur with my lived experience. As a small business owner of a yoga and philosophy school with physical premises, I oversee thousands of people in my community and I was required to track many peoples' vaccination status for significant lengths of time. The 3% roughly tracks with what I personally experienced. Actually, if anything, my personal experience was that it was probably less than this - ie. fewer people were un vaxxed than even the statistics showed. This is interesting, since one might even expect that my specific demographic would show an overrepresentation of the opposite - that is, one could imagine that yoga practitioners and philosophy students might have more of a propensity to resist the 💉and the mass formation than the general populace. Sadly, that was not my experience in Australia.
Me too. But this guy is wrong. The masses haven't learnt and they will come for free thinkers whenever they can. When I visit the city I still see the lonely old cat ladies masked up. I know a woman who's eight year old child broke an arm. The child was denied medical attention until the mother complied. Never forget. Nuremberg 2.0 hasn't happened. Nobody is sorry.
The 'devastating personal costs' being what, exactly? That many people, rightly, came to see you as a conspiratorial type, willing to lap up utter nonsense, laughably believing yourself to be part of some 'enlightened minority', due to some assortment of intellectual and emotional inadequacies?
You didn’t have to fall for them to have to abide by them. I don’t own the grocery store, so I had to follow any rules they chose to enact in order to shop there. Did you want all businesses nationalized so you could ban all rules you don’t like?
During the "pandemic" I would often take my kids outside for hikes and bike rides, anything to be outside mask-free. One Saturday, we took a soccer ball and went to our local park, Martial Cottle park in San Jose, CA. Other than another couple, hundreds of yards away, we were the only ones there. There were signs stating that we should "Keep off the Grass and Stay on the sidewalks - Covid-19", but I ignored them and we kicked the ball around. After 20 minutes we fell to the grass, and looked at the sky with my kids heads on my tummy all staring up at the clouds and chatting. My kids spotted a helicopter in the distance. Suddenly there was a shrieking horn, and a police helicopter above us on a PA telling us: "Stay off the grass, and go to the walkways." I was stunned and my kids were afraid. I delayed, and they repeated the message. I felt outraged but figured the helicopter could land or police vehicles could arrive. We walked off, and I told my kids about bored police and my tax dollars at work against us. Now a few years later on a break in a hike my 16 yr old son and I sat on a rock overlooking the Pacific and mused about that moment and the totalitarian ideology of the today.
Your experience just seems so surreal…and frightening. So glad you weren’t arrested! Its so reassuring to know people like you did not succumb to the madness. There was a time when I felt quite isolated and then slowly discovered more and more people like you. There are far more of us than I thought!
As an artist I have found a decline In creativity, art , music , free speech and true expression in general. I hope the that the wisdom shared here can inspire ethical thinking, compassion and morality.
Artists often earning the least are the most vulnerable through forced uprooting and displacement yet are often the first to express the subversion going on
Any artist worth their salt would recognise that the so-called sucessful artists of earlier times surrounding the wars were funded to promote propaganda
I really don't think that's the point though... you're still in the psychosis if the refusal of the jab is so important to you, and you are still thrown into the paradigm, you're just on the side of those who fight the others, still being used. If you care about other people - that's good. If you just care about opposing the government just for the sake of it - you're either a tool or an angel of chaos. I'm not trying to offend or anything btw, but people still have their minds on the wrong things. Loving and caring for each other is the real antidote to everything. Nothing the government fears more than a unified society. They try to break us with sexism, racism, nationalism, classism etc. "divide and conquer" works both at macro and micro levels.
Thank you for this great quote..so perfect and succinct..love the brilliance of Carl Jung. Here's another gem of his: "One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light but by making the darkness conscious. "
No one was allowed to speak out. The government and social media made sure of that. I actually tried to tell a woman who was outside walking on a trail in the woods she walked past me clutching her mask that she didn't need a mask outside in the sun and fresh air in a mask. She rushed passed me scared to death.
*A view that allows people to be sacrificed in favour of a ‘higher’ goal is incompatible with democracy and human rights. And everyone who died as a result of coercion was too many - because the very fact that people were coerced into this measure is inadmissible. In totalitarianism, it is common for the individual to be sacrificed in favour of the collective. Is that really what we want? No, of course not!*
I’ve observed for years that a mask or scarf to protect my lungs from cold air helps my asthma. The upside to the pandemic was this became socially acceptable to people who formerly felt the need to pressure me not to wear one even if it was good for my health. Maybe the person you were interfering with was just sick of people telling her what to do with her own self. That’s the larger plague of mankind that we all succumb to from time to time.
Animula I’ve seen Asians wear masks before the Rona. The difference is this. People may wear a mask and idgaf if they do if they personally want to. If however they’re doing it because an authority figure or expert told them to then their action merely shows they’re slaves or sheep. Now you can argue blindly following leaders is called faith but that’s mainly in religion where allegedly you get revelation from god. Blindly following government where insider trading is legal and making money and being a career politician is the highlight of your life that’s a totally different thing.
I have an auto-immune disease. My doctor basically shoved it down my throat that if I didn't get the jab, I'd die for sure. She had been my doctor since I was a child so I trusted her, plus I was scared and just wanted to feel safe. Months after getting it, I went completely blind. (I use a screen reader which is how I am interacting with you all now) It has destroyed my life, but at the very least I am a very strong critical and independent thinker now. Stay strong everyone and don't forget that only you know what is best for you. Listen to your intuition and you'll never go wrong in life.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry that you paid such an enormous price to gain this wisdom. It is so generous of you to want to help others avoid what you went through. I hope that through some great miracle or fortuitous chain of events that you will regain your eyesight. There are courageous, brilliant doctors out there who are profoundly helping people who have been vaccine injured. People like Dr. Bryan Ardis, Dr. Henry Ealy and many others. Wishing you healing and good things to come in your life.
I am a truck driver, so I didn't miss any work due to Covid. I did wrestle with wearing a mask when picking up loads, feeling that I was knowingly participating in a lie.
It was not a lie mike, the danger was only a little bit overestimated and some measures where too much. Thanks for being a truck driver. Always like you guys.
I was just thinking the same and then Flo voiced it - the covid vaccinations may have been crap, but some of us have been successfully inoculated against mass psychosis.
I don't agree. I think Matthias was right about this - just because someone has been immune to one mass formation psychosis doesn't mean they will be resistant, the rest of their lives, to every other one that they will encounter. There is no room for complacency no matter how resillient one thinks one's personality is to it. People always need to be self-reflective and on their guard.
@@neilcomley7854 yes, immunity is specific and does wane! As Mattias goes on to say, the only protection is to hold true to certain personal ethical principles and even with this constant vigilance is needed.
This interview is a breath of fresh air. I feel like I've been screaming into the void for years now against various popularly held views, and felt like maybe it was all for nothing because nobody ever listened.
I’m starting to see the world more as it appeared in The Matrix. I like to live in a way that opposes the simulation the elite wish to cast over us. I see my friends and family stuck in the fear based world, and I still love them, but I don’t need to buy into the propaganda they repeat.
Step 1, create a threat that the individual can’t mitigate. Step 2, guarantee a solution in return for votes, money, power. Step 3, vilify anyone who challenges your orthodoxy.
David Icke first coined the phrase: Problem, Reaction, Solution. The problem is created to get a reaction demanding the solution they wanted to give you in the first place.
Never forget that!!!! From December 2021.......''The feeling of total powerlessness is terrible and I thought I had already experienced it. Wrong thought. An ICE train takes me back from Munich to Berlin. It stops in Nuremberg and Erlangen. Shortly after Nuremberg there is a commotion on the train, a man in a suit hurries to the back, pursued by the conductor and some fellow passengers, Erlangen station is reached and the railway police storm in. The man recognizes the inevitability of the situation and stands at the nearest toilet door, hands up. Nevertheless, he is pulled to the ground, plastic handcuffs are put on him and he is thrown out of the train with great screaming. Then a group photo of the officers with their target. It is now clear what happened here. The man got on quickly, had no ticket, wanted to buy it from the train attendant and could not provide proof of vaccination. He was probably hoping to be able to escape from the platform in Erlangen. This was stopped by staff and self-appointed sheriffs. The brutal approach, the manhunt through the train, the mutual back-slapping of those involved, all of that would have been somehow bearable if it hadn't been for the 80 to 90 passengers in my car, all of whom praised the behavior of those involved, applauded and were outraged about the danger to public health posed by this one man, who of course wore a mask. In complete contrast to the admirers of the law enforcement authorities. Most of them only put their masks back on when the conductor appeared. All the way to Bamberg, they were still getting excited about what should happen to 'unvaccinated vermin': locking them up, labor camps, even castration was suggested. I went through the car to see who was making such loud suggestions for a state of emergency. It was a colorful mix of society. The green hipsters who you could recognize by their Greta stickers on their laptops. The self-satisfied pensioners, the shift workers with their after-work beers, the eco-moms with their screaming toddlers, the couple on their way to the coast. And right in the middle of it all was me. I was unable to say anything, I was too cowardly and the shame of this cowardice froze me. I don't remember what happened between Bamberg and Berlin-Südkreuz. I fell into a kind of trance, I could still feel tears running down my face, but I was unable to utter a word or make any movement. I just sat there. A shell of myself. Shortly before Berlin-Südkreuz I woke up from the blackout and went to the door. I had never considered myself a coward, had never avoided a political discussion. But what I had experienced on that train journey I only knew from history books. It wasn't just a matter of 'joining in', it was the desire to be right at the front, to be involved in the spiral of destruction that my fellow travelers reported so proudly. And I was too cowardly to do anything about it. Maybe because I was locked in with them - I hope I wouldn't have frozen at an outdoor demonstration. Because if everything had gone wrong, I could have run away. But there was no escape in this rolling block warden paradise."
@rogkeista1. Oh my goodness, that's how it was in so many places/countries. It was very surprising of such reaction/behaviour in country like Austria and Germany for the obvious reasons but, seeing how Germany's gov. is acting now frankly nothing seems surprising. Blessing to you :))
I used to be exactly the same as you. Slowly, over time, I have realised that being angry at the people who both allowed and promoted the CV-19 response solves nothing, changes nothing and only works to destroy your own happiness and will to live. Mattias gets it right in this video when he says that all you should do is stay calm and question things without making it personal. It is incredibly hard to do in the face of sheer madness (I failed to stay calm many times while listening to that rubbish...), but that is what we must do. Getting angry at people certainly doesn't change their opinion, it only gives them a reason to hate you. We must get angry at the ideas, not the people. Best wishes for getting past the resentment.
I often feel much the same way. I haven't forgiven them for the simple reason that they haven't asked me for my forgiveness. However, I have largely moved on and I second Professor Desmet's comments about being loyal to Truth rather than to narratives and those infected by them, and I also second djn48's comment.
In March 2020 my "mother" told me to and I quote to never come around her without a mask. I haven't spoken to her since and never will again. This was just the last straw after enduring years of abuse from her. My "brother" tried to off himself. I never said a word to them. I'm completely done with people. I don't care if they are family or randos. Just done.
@@sonicleaves For what it's worth, I bet 80% of the people in this comments section have similar stories and understand what you are going through, including me. Are we not people worth talking to? And if you don't think so, then ask yourself: why did you comment here? [I'm not attacking you by the way, it was a rhetorical question.] You can't give up on *everyone*. That is the path to Living Hell, and it will kill you slowly and painfully. Trust me... Been there, done that, don't feel like going back.
I have no idea what it was inside me that led to me digging my heels in so strongly to the point that I was holding signs by the side of the road and protesting at vaccine centres but I found out I was braver than I thought, when backed into a corner. I just remember thinking that whatever happened to me for speaking out, could not be worse than where the madness was heading, that I'd rather not be here at all, than live in the world that was planned by the eleeches.
I too resisted. Where were you located.? I left everything behind but still encountered the mass formation zombies in the conservative state that was more open.
@@casimiralexander Somerset, England. Yes it was so weird wasn't it, I remember trying to talk to my neighbour about it and he simply wouldn't even consider the points I was making, like the average age of death was 82, or that there was no evidence it stopped the spread or that masks worked, or that the MPs had a conflict of interest and the BBC was given about 10 million by Bill Gates, and on and on, all true and verifiable, yet he wouldn't even look at the things that didn't make any sense or looked suspicious, and he was a retired doctor! He actually started shaking and was lightly aggressive!!! And its a good neighbour I've known for years, I'll never forget it. Well done on standing up to the mass bullying, I remember how freaked out I was to be the only one without a mask in a supermarket and I even got thrown out of a shop once!🤦♀️🤣😱
I became a fan of Matthias in May 2020 went I found his video where he described Mass Formation Psychosis and suddenly the Covid craziness around me made complete sense. I’ve made it a personal challenge to use discernment in everything I’m exposed to these days. If something I hear triggers my fear, anger, hatred or despair I know I’m being manipulated and ignore it. Thanks for this!
This needs shouting from the rooftops, it’s the most visible truth of our time . The solution is hard though as it demands we all face and integrate our own shadow . Hard work but essential.
This is what it means to me...that we need to recognise our duality, the light (good) and the shadow (evil) and our capacity to readily see the latter in others but not ourselves....ie projection.
@@MartinRea-m6h This quote from Jesus is similar and more readily understandable. "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" This advice is also echoed by Jordan Peterson, a big CG Jung fan, when he says "Clean your own room before you go and tell the world how to clean up its act"
@@J31 Not even close.. It's saying to grow up and actually act like adults with some measure of emotional maturity instead of hypocrites, bc the neurotic projection and maladapted aggression that passes for sane and takes us to war fits the definition of 'depraved' or 'insane' much more accurately - We become the evil we project onto others and this inflated lack of humility is what we promote when we buy into all the dehumanizing bs propaganda narratives about what 'those bad people over there' are guilty of while oblivious to the fundamental role of finance behind it all. So if we project our own shadows into these binary dichotomies - herd mentalities - and view the world in terms of good guys vs bad guys, or us vs them, we are the problem. If you learn to see it for what it is - a collective psychosis arising from pathologically dissociated behavior - it encourages you to withdraw your own projections and work to counter that collective momentum, bc you inevitably suffer the social, spiritual, geopolitical, and economic consequences of that.
The last 4 minutes of this video are the pinnacle of importance. I think he identifies one of the most powerful pieces of not only the malformation puzzle but meaningful human life in general. Essence trumps illusion. Thank you for this talk.
Clearly a gifted and insightful person. I have a feeling Desmet has inadvertently uncovered something about consciousness itself. Consciousness is almost impossible to describe or define because we are part of the system of consciousness and as such it is exceptionally rare that we get a glimpse of its nature from an outside perspective. We may well be right in the middle of evolving to a higher state of collective consciousness without actually knowing it.
To sum this up, when confronted with an individual who has succumbed to this kind of mass formation psychosis -Don't hate the person, hate the person's behaviour! Well said.
Huh. So... all those who succumbed to the mass formation were able to vitriolically hate the freethinkers with impunity, but now they expect a free pass from those whom they persecuted? This seems like a great get out of jail free card for such people to avoid accountability.
I found that about 90% of the friends and family (all blue voters in liberal states) caught the Mass Formation disease. They isolated and ignored me. I became desperate and one member of my family nearly suicidal.
This happened here in Ireland, all the old friends were self isolating, you could see the fear in their eyes, all of society aged 10 years in appearance, sick government policy.
This is the best interview and most valuable set of ideas I have heard, especially on unheard, which is saying a lot. I hope desmot gets more exposure and people reflect more widely on the direction our society is going.
"...hidden laws of the game on borlest." ? I like to believe I am immune from being "conned" by anyone on anything. On occasion I have been taken, even as an "internal voice" was warning me. WHY? I don't know! On reflection (it's painful) I try to self-analyze. At 82, I have NEVER fell victim to mass hysteria. But, to one on one cons, yes. It was humiliating.
Finding a book called the Bible should be top priority. My friend, there are no hidden laws, they’ve been given by God for all to see. And the price for our transgressions have been paid for in blood. It’s called the Good News because knowing this fills our heart with gratitude and love ✌🏻
I questioned it from day one. Nurses dancing on endless social media reels, censorship, Facebook jail, clapping for the NHS, it's hard to put into words how retarded it was, and people just bought it. No amount of talking will ever make me understand how dumb people were.
This guy gets it so right... thanks for this video. Every day I wake up and think ..."Don't let yourself get brainwashed today Brisey " It's a good routine
@Meetpete-2024 I even advanced further and eliminated my "cell" (jail) phone and let me tell you something... now I know my dad was all right this time alone. He would say "it's that damn phone in your hand" and man was the old man right. Never experienced this type of liberation, PEOPLE this is beyond what words can explain. My telephatic powers are back and life's never been better. The revolution will be silent and not "televised" DESTROY THE "Chip" free yourself ASAP
One distant relative in a nursing home, who could not be visited for months, and her family made little effort to remove her although all she had was arthritis and anxiety. She declared she was going to starve herself to death and she succeeded 😭. What you say is exactly right.
I am experiencing this now (not the nursing home.. rather, the loneliness). My relationship ended... I only see my daughter 4 days a month. It is incredibly painful.. being alone.. feeling too broken to rebuild the bonds I've lost since Covid. I never thought I'd wind up in this place, but... living alone, without other people, is not what we are made to do.
@@CalmBeforeTheStorm76 Sorry for your loss. That said, I'd recommend you to go to the gym, a martial art dojo, a church; do anything to get out of your head by forming friendships and doing things together; in the medium to long run, it pays off. Be well.
Mathias always inspires me to be better. It’s really tempting to get upset with family and friends when they yell at you or call you names for bringing up something that triggers their mass hysteria. But I think that reaction to feel upset with them comes from a similar need to be loved and connected that is driving the mass formation disorder.
@@SL-es5kb I experienced this at the dining room table days after Russia invaded Ukraine UNPROVOKED, and I dared to suggest that before making such an unequivocal statement, there is some history we need to integrate.
There is only one individual in my family (siblings and spouses) that shuts everyone down like a maniac. She is the only one in the family that doesn't practice a relationship with God. Mathias has good point about rationalising because the family member I am speaking of here, has a habit of hyper rationalising and coming up with a quick explanation for everything, including things that are in no need of explanation. The hyper rationalistic is talking into the ground, through over explaining and rationalising they literally kill everything.
Here's a ChatGPT summary: - Matthias Desmet is a professor of psychology at the University of Ghent in Belgium and an expert on mass formation psychosis. - Desmet became interested in herd mentality during his PhD when he noticed the replication crisis in sciences, where up to 85% of academic papers were not reproducible. - He observed that highly educated people often fall prey to groupthink due to a desire to conform and an educational system that promotes indoctrination. - During the COVID-19 pandemic, Desmet published a paper arguing that the fear of the virus was more dangerous than the virus itself, claiming that initial mortality rates were exaggerated. - Despite being proven correct about the exaggerated statistics, Desmet faced significant backlash and became a public figure in Belgium. - Desmet shifted his focus to understanding the psychological processes that lead societies to embrace absurd narratives. - He argues that loneliness and lack of meaning in life make people vulnerable to mass formation, where they latch onto narratives that provide a sense of control and collective purpose. - Desmet explains that modern masses are formed by isolated individuals connected through mass media, leading to extreme collectivism and the emergence of totalitarian states. - He notes that a small, cohesive group (20-30%) can dominate society, while a larger group remains silent, and a crucial minority (1-10%) speaks out against the narrative. - Desmet emphasizes the importance of continuing to speak out to prevent mass formation from reaching its most dangerous stages. - He believes that the COVID-19 pandemic may have acted as a psychological vaccine, making people more resistant to future mass formations. - Desmet is optimistic about the long-term future, seeing a growing awareness of the value of truth and sincerity. - He warns against the potential for new mass formations, even among those who resisted the COVID-19 narrative. - Desmet stresses the importance of ethical principles and humanity in resisting totalitarianism and mass formation. - He suggests that the collapse of religious communities has contributed to loneliness and vulnerability to mass formation. - Desmet advocates for rediscovering the original religious and scientific experience of unity and sincerity. - Main message: Desmet argues that understanding and resisting mass formation psychosis requires a commitment to truth, sincerity, and ethical principles, as well as awareness of the psychological vulnerabilities that lead to collective hysteria.
Wow. The conclusion to this has brought me to tears. I remember Waugh's words: "When the waterholes were dry, people sought to drink at the mirage". Desmet's words are like the flowing of cool, pure water.
Excellent! Mattias has made a fine conclusion to the process of human development that points finally to where one sees the limitations of rational thought and moves into the mysterious direct perception of reality where oneness is seen. Strange how the lies and bs we’ve had to put up with can drive those willing to face the truth, towards a “spiritual” vision of life. Wonderful to hear! So rare. 🙏😎👍🕉
Loved this interview. I read his book about totalitarianism and loved it, I've seen so many interviews with him, yet there was so much new information and ideas in what he said.
As a religious perennialist very much aligned with Aldous Huxley's view expressed in his well known book "The Perennial Philosophy'" I relate to Desmet's weltanschauung completely. We must discover the depths of that transcendental One that is at the core of all religious and mystical experiences in all major religions of the world. This understanding can help us go beyond modern technocratic, materialist, totalitarian ideologies and craziness. In other words; go beyond contradictory dualities and see the One underlying all things.
What an enlightened man, such a deep thinker and an eloquent speaker, who is able to encapsulate such an advanced conceptualisation of human psychology and its determinants in such a short video! Im so thankful that i stumbled on this, as he was able to reconcile numerous conflicting ideas which were floating in my mind, in such a logical manner. Thank you so much! ❤
There was more than "rational thinking" @ issue. After all we were told it was "deadly" with over 99.5% survival rate and yet most people lost their mind to crude propa**nda, dancing drs and nurses, all msm running exactly the same narrative, and still, most never stopped to think for themselves. Blessings to all.
25:10 I feel the interviewer bought in a psychotic narrative herself. The oranje danger is nonsense. Anyone wearing the ring can turn bad. There's no evidence that he will be. Every negative piece of news against him and his 'awful plans' are completely twisted edits. You can easily find the full footage of what he really said. This extreme tinkering with images proves they have nothing real against him. Don't get me wrong, I never liked him, but right now he's a huge force for good against the current greedy, power and control hungry liars that are promoting mass formations for their own benefit.
How is he protecting us from the power hungry? Who is the power hungry? Not Elon Musk? The man who bought a social media network at a loss and bans people at will from it?
I know we call everything Hitler that it makes us doubtful anything actually is Hitler. But, keep in mind, dictatorships happen all the time, so you need to look at the actual indicators. And what is a bigger indicator than what Trump says himself and what the Heritage Foundation (a very influential and powerful Conservative think tank) says in their Project 2025. People told me in 2016 that Trump’s potential Supreme Court nominees would never strike down Roe v Wade. I didn’t believe them, and I was right. If we are going to be rational people, we have to research. We can’t take things off of “feelings” or assume this one cry of wolf or Hitler is also wrong.
Stunningly uninformed about who the man is, his history & the many reasons that he is their boy. The agenda will move forward because of gullible people.
I spoke out against the COVID ideology and took a lot of flack for it, but I don't hold a grudge against the compliant or the zealots in the ordinary population. So many of them are sick, and many have died as a result of trusting the government's narrative. I don't want to make them suffer anymore than they already are. I pity them.
Unherd talks are a high bar and this is one of the best for me. It helps me to understand the madness of this world and better still presents a couple of antidotes. Speak out, be ethical and be sincere. Thank you Unherd.
I am a retired police officer in Ireland 78 yrs. retired 2003 having served in the UN…met a retired FSB agent from Russia during that time and he opened my mind to what the Soviet world in the thirties created a 100 year plan to destroy the West through a mind virus that was created in The Frankfurt school and by number of Kazarians Jewish philosophers called Repressive tolerance . An American philosopher Herbert Marcuse wrote an essay about this. In the 60 ies these Kazarians Jewish philosophers were invited to USA to teach these post modern philosophies . The students then became teachers and these poisons were then taught in the teacher colleges and in police colleges medical Colleges . The Chinese attached units to every university called Confusious societies who were run by CCP who used the honey trap to capture the professors in these universities .. this results in the current woke isms that are destroying the family which is the target . Today the Irish government issued a hate speech bill reinforcing. The Crazy Gander fluid issues ….the 100 year plan worked and Gi Jen ping celebrated this in 2021/22. In actual fact ultimately their attempt to destroy meant they broke Universal Law and when you break these Laws they will ultimately break you as in the soviet collapse and the pending destruction of Europe, America and China .. my hope is that Brics will restore sanity. The Ego was manipulated and now finally it has suffered enough Self is waking up. “ suffering is the Goad to enlightenment . There is great hope for the future .. being 78 I won’t see it and I don’t intend to come back….i don’t put my faith in individuals Like Trumps and Putins we are responsible for our own fate. Trump was groomed by the world military group called hilariously the White hats aparrently 800 generals and Admirals from every military in the world….some friends I have in several of these militaries are convinced that it started when Kennedy was killed because he was going to go back to the Gold state with Sukarno who was deposed as he was working with Kennedy and a large group secretly to destroy the CIA. My finger is worn out typing ..very best blessings and light for your great work..
You have to understand the Law of opposites where the great internal battle emerges from within each of us and manifests in the World creates this chaos . Man is continually chasing Desire and fleeing fear
@@BillSikes. It is possible but not gonna happen. It was very weak people who allowed this. Do you think the same weak people are going to stand up and change things? The Soviets and the Russians are both correct is noting western culture has descended into a cess pool of decadence.
bfruitugomath - interesting, however, this mass manipulation started earlier than JFK. It kicked in after WW11 when the US was high on its own propaganda of having won the war - they didn't, they just wrote the history books and made movies to confirm the narrative - and the realisation that so many countries now bankrupt, depended on their aid. The Americans over the years added more and more conditions. Political corruption US style was born which has morphed into commie totalitarianism today and the CIA call the shots.
At one point I thought of Graham Hancock saying that he'd prefer politicians be made to undergo ayahuasca rituals before seeking to represent anyone, to ensure they understand connectedness through mystical insight.
Thank you both for your courage…and inspiration. It’s a wake up call for me, as if I’m honest I may be straddling the fence between the 60-65% of people who see something wrong but remain silent, and the 1-10% who see something wrong and speak out, and thus avert the mass formation from reaching its tragic end stage. Sobering food for thought. Thank you
I apologize for making three seperate comments. But this was a great interview, I havent heard such condensed wisdom stuffed into so few minutes for a long time. Great questions to move things along Flo.
Hearing Mattias speak fills me with relief. He describes my experience of knowing and speaking up & at times remaining silent when navigating the relationships with people in all arenas who were fully in the grips of the propaganda. THANK YOU!
Those managers that coast, not really knowing their job, can pick out those in their team that resist this herd mentality: they pick them out when redundancies are made. Well, they are too risky to have around during times of uncertainty. They ask too many questions. And, then it's not a team, it's a work group. :)
Every personal belief, opinion or philosophy is held because the individual truly believes those beliefs are based in truth. And this satisfies the human need to “know” what the “answer” is. Religion, politics, social justice etc. “I know the truth”, while simultaneously ignoring that it’s impossible for everyone to be correct, and also impossible for any individual to be correct 100% of time.
I don't know if that's true. I've known plenty of people who know their beliefs don't have a foundation of truth, but a foundation of comfort. Example- people know politicians lie constantly, yet they will still tout serving in the military is somehow an ethical career. Example- some are fully aware Western medicine is a health failure, yet still cling to the belief that becoming a doctor or allopathic nurse equates to an education in facts and ethics. Comfort in belief to get the bills paid far exceeds truth in action
Thank you. I have been sharing this on X, I want as many people as possible to see it, it explains so much, thank you Ms Read, thank you Professor Desmet.
Remembering the mass formation explanation has helped me temper my temptation to feel anger and to seek revenge on those who segregated me during covid. They knew not what they did...
Fascinating, Gustav La Bons The Crowd suggested that group mentality is hive minded and hypnotised, and full of collective purpose, therefore absent of guilt for actions. This all makes so much sense.
@@garymelnyk7910 thanks, haven't heard of him before will check him out. Any specific essay you'd recommend? See the fight... and the art of hating might be good places to start.
Dancing nurses was absurd. We have this crisis where healthcare system is apparently overwhelmed, but at the same time around the world nurses have time to plan, choreograph and practice dances while they are apparently overworked in life threatening situation. I've been overworked (not in nursing) and last thing I would have done during that time is to plan and practice some flash dances with my coworkers.
Thank you Flo for manifesting this dialogue with Mattias. I'm grateful. It reminds me of something I love of Virgil's Aeneid 6 (rough translation) "Yield not to ills, but go forth all the bolder to face them as far as your destiny will allow!" When I was young, I read The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude By Etienne de La Boetie (1552-53). I've thought about it ever since. Seemingly early intuitions on mass formation psychosis.
People are comfortable, mostly through trusting others. Those other people can't cope with being challenged, as things rarely go wrong. So everything runs smoothly, without any questioning, which is an unaffordable overhead, until it doesn't. And then nobody knows what to do. This is endemic in large organisations where productivity is of no concern.
Superb Interview.,, Thankyou so much for this,.,. I was one of the ones getting shouted at by people in shops and Queues for not wearing a mask. For not following the rediculous rules the Government were spouting. I stayed strong and kept on doing it. Now it comes about that i was the one not suffering from Mass formation hypnosis. Being sceptical of Propganda and doing research, also Not watcing the MSM were a key part of that.,,. Stay strong people, the 1-10% group is growing day by day,.,.,. Love from UK.,,.,.,.,.,.
Brilliant insights and advice to help each of us achieve independence of thought and freedom from fear. Rational thought alone is insufficient in this crisis.
Seeking truth above all does result in wisdom and understanding. Psalm 51: 6 "Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom."
I'm from the SF Bay Area. Lots of credentialed people who have no clue what is going on, even in their specialty. The lack of wisdom, common sense, prudence is shocking. It's a cult of the elite and they just can't see what the reality is outside of their very narrow bubble. It's really weird.
Learned this independently many years ago, which is why I don’t blindly follow any ideology. I also appreciate being wrong about my perceptions because after I assess why, it leads to personal growth. I love the closing about transcending rationality. It is beautiful and true!
Mattias is impressive as always. Please invite him for a longer interview in your beautiful London studio, perhaps in dialogue with Paul Kingsnorth: that would be interesting.
34:25 he just answered your question before you asked it. He said we must rely on principles. The Christian religion is simply a living out of right principles. If we all do what is right, then we appear on the outside to simply be following a herd mentality. I am comfortable with being a part of a herd so long as that herd is walking according to right principles. There are many religious abuses, But there is one word of God which corrects the religious abuses more forcefully than it corrects those around us. Please do not fear following God's word.
What would jeebus NOT do??? Speak against slavery and all the even MUCH worse things it's ALL for. But the sleepy flock just ignore all of that. They love their mind screws!! Got rid of mine by learning what's in there. But most don't want to know or look
This was actually easy to see for me. I've only a high school education and could still see the holes in the story. Glad i abstained from the experiment.
10 years ago I was in a psychology class discussing compliance in Nazi Germany. I asked everyone how might we be doing the same thing now? The question was ignored, because it didn't even register, that the human traits we were discussing, applied to us too.
Love this conversation but I do t agree we should be tolerant to everyone
@@MPW66 I agree with you, I actually made the same point elsewhere in this comment section. I think dehumanising actually has its uses, it's something we evolved for a reason.
How many people deferred to the preassembled opinions of their proxies in the expert class? Why did 80+% of public school teachers support the now-obviously silly mandates to mask children and keep schools closed? Because they have been conditioned to stay quiet. The more power we entrust to public officials the more nonsense we should expect.
I wrote against abortion and my comment got deleted. Can't speak against the agenda.
We're already like 1940s Germany, the entire world. People sacrifice their children to convenience. While they're still in the womb. People decide for themselves who is worthy of life based on arbitrary terms.
And the COVID hysteria proved your point. And this in a time in which people had access to more forms of communication than ever.
High education is not the same as wisdom and integrity.
I'd go one step further and claim, that education not necessarily means intelligent.
Some of the stupidest people I know have degrees.
@@Tzitzemine I go one step further, intelligence doesn't always prevent stupidity.
Exactly.
Higher education is very important for the gifted. Without it, one can go through one’s life thinking they are flawless in their application of logic. When you are in the top, say 0.1%, you are very rarely challenged. And, even when you are wrong, you can easily defeat those around you by outthinking them while defending your stance. However, when you attend a top university, you will be shown to be wrong by people who are at your level. It is there that you learn that your instincts and common sense are sometimes not enough to make breakthroughs-to see what others cannot see.
Matthias Desmet was born for a time such as this. So grateful for his voice. Hopefully more will heed his words.
I did. So there’s no vax circulating in my blood stream. Thank you Mattias.
Fortunately or not, we were all born for this time🤼🏻♂️🤸🏼♂️💃🧑🦯🧑🏻🦯🧑🏼🦯🧑🏽🦯🧑🏿🦯
Its always a good listen. He puts into words what some of us are trying to piece together.
and at the same time, hopefully not
The problem is that he himself has delivered so much bullshit. There are psychologists who can do this much better than any part of society. But there are also many that display defects and if you can't see them, then that's certainly not an advantage.
There are probably reasons why the masses cannot see the quality defects so well.
It is not just the masses but every person has a problem with mass psychosis.
The masses have a problem with the criteria and that leads to a whole mass of problems. The masses work very poorly with the topic of cognitive abilities and this is confirmed with various consequences. I am not a psychologist. I have been dealing with this topic and with philosophy and many other topics that are connected to science for decades. During the time when the virus was a problem, it became even clearer that the entire mass had a problem with the criteria. The sum of the opinions not only indicated a problem at that time that eludes the perception of many people. There are many problems here, and in the end they all have to do with the abilities of the masses. When the question of blame arises, people generally try to shift the blame onto someone else. People live their day with a mask on and there are only very few who can see very deep into the well. Humans have a problem with various deficits and basically everyone is affected by them. I have seen psychologists who have made great statements and expressed great opinions, but this was definitely not so good.
Der Mensch hat ein Problem mit der Wahrnehmung und das steht mit einem Problem mit der Realität in einer Verbindung oder auch mit der Entwicklung.
Das steht so dann mit einem Problem mit der Sprache in einer Verbindung oder oft mit einem Problem mit den Messungen.
People live with contradictions and if you can see them better, then that is certainly not a disadvantage. All the observations that I have noted here form a causal chain in which one word or statement supports the next. The masses here have a problem recognizing when a psychologist is in a good or bad position in the room.
People don't have the quality to question people appropriately and that's where the problem lies.
I have dealt extensively with the topic of manipulation of the masses.
I am the stupid person who was the first to connect the tipping point issue with climate problems. I am one of those stupid people, but I seem to question the world quite well. The people here hardly or not at all see how affected they themselves can be. The problem also occurs very often among psychologists, but not all of them.
You can put quality on a ladder and science is definitely at the top. People further down the ladder have less and less to do with it. People see themselves at the top of the ladder very quickly and far too hastily. People see themselves at the top of the ladder very quickly and far too hastily. What they don't see is that even those at the top still have a way to go. They don't stand in the room like ripe fruit, and I probably don't either. It may be that I can provide better insights that will take a person a little further and certainly not to the top. The findings in the series above already indicate a lot of problems. But this is only one approach that can show what may elude our perception. This shows only a small part of the causes and mutual effects that lead to a whole host of problems. People have a problem with criteria and that also leads to a lot of problems that can be associated with people's views. The sum of the problems leads to a few causes, which most people do not see. There are reasons for this and most people here do not see them because they themselves are among those affected.
I was a real loner as a child, I wonder whether many people who don’t toe the line have a deep knowledge of being outside the group and are not so scared to place themselves there?
I will have a good think about this! In the various groups formed in response to the lockdown and jav mandate, I have been struck by the disparity between the individuals who saw through the scam and stood against it.
I think it's true, I've worked with victims of domestic violence, both men and women.
None took the jabby, but plenty of friends with credentials did.
Once you're on the outside, looking in, you see more clearly. Once you've had severe pain, something like shaming won't work on you.
He talks about this at 43:00 . Loner or not, the important distinction, I believe, is whether we seek social approval or not.
I only speculate but, perhaps many loners truly care little for social approval, but perhaps many of them learned early to "give up" on peer approval. There may be others who had many friends and associates, were members of many social circles, who did not actively seek approval.
I think there's a lot in what you say
This is the best explanation of mass formation psychosis I've ever heard. Thank you for the glimmer of hope during these dark times.
Churches have been doing this for centuries.
Hats off to the Canadian Truck drivers who helped stop this madness.
Some have still not got back their bank accounts that Trudeau shut to force an end to protest. He is a true example of a ‘liberal’ far left, a liberal authoritarian.
Indeed, well said 👏
who tried, anyway.
The really great thing to come out of what the truckers did was to shine a light on what happens when governments start to control the financial transactions of individuals, it's all very well talking about the dangers of a cbdc but when people actually see transactions stopped and the illusion that you "own" the money/currency (or tokenised representation of you toil and accumulated resources) in your bank is revealed it spurs people on to learn about non government money and alternatives like bitcoin/gold and to further understand how currency is created through the issuance of bonds (debt) and fractionalized banking and other claims on yours and future generations labour, then its given out in a miss allocation of resources that is mind boggling, contractors sucking out value in the military industrial complex for example, companies 7 x'ing billions of dollars through simply manufacturing weird serums that are to be injected into the arms of the masses and so on and so forth
the government is still persecuting them.
Mathias Desmet is always on point, such a clear voice from a clear mind. And I love that he always pushes a deeper, spiritual approach to corrupt authority.
When did he mention Iran? SHE mentions Iran's horrendous crimes 28:50 pure narrative..
Upton Sinclair already nailed this down. People who have careers and credentials will engage in any mendacity necessary to protect those careers and credentials.
#notall but mostly true
@@ktrimbach5771and also to avoid acknowledging their complicity
“The Goose Step: A Study of American Education”
-By Upton Sinclair, 1923
I read ‘Upton Sinclair’ in high school, & was puzzled that ‘adults’ didn’t find his books as alarming as ‘1984’ & ‘Brave New World’…
… sounding the alarms on authoritarian dystopias…
@@ericjohnson9468 The ‘adults’ never read any of these books. I’ve seen some of my parents textbooks, and it’s dismal what people have learned in American schools. Most of what Orwell, Huxley, Sinclair et al write would be terrifying for many people. More recently, it has become apparent that people rather mechanically laughed at George Carlin, but if they understood what he was saying, they wouldn’t have liked him. I think people laugh when they know something is wrong, but can’t see it in themselves, so something subconsciously happens and they laugh to shake off the pain. Listen to live laughter in any talk or lecture. It’s often uncomfortable.
Proud to be one of only 3% of Australians who refused the 💉 and resisted the mass formation, despite the devastating personal costs.
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EDIT: Some commenters below have been querying my source. This statistic was provided by the Australian Department of Health and Aged Care, and it refers to 3% of eligible Australians, rather than 3% of all Australians.
Obviously, the non-eligible had no need to 'refuse' the 💉, as they were not being coerced to take it.
Indeed there was a very strange medico-legal abberration which occurred in my country, with 2-tier lockdown rules, which allowed the v axxed and those who were unv axxed due to non-eligibility to be granted greater freedoms of movement and association than those who we unv axxed by choice.
So clearly, our government's impetus to abrogate freedoms was intended as a measure of coercive control and punishment of freethinkers, rather than a necessary measure for public safety - otherwise ALL un vaxxed would have been subject to the more stringent lockdown rules. Not that I believe 'public safety' is EVER a justifiable reason for years-long abrogations of basic civil rights... but that's another story.
Note on epistemology: Some other commenters below have also suggested that I shouldn't trust the official statistics. I don't necessarily disagree. Though they are the most credible statistics I can access without omnipotence.
And they do concur with my lived experience. As a small business owner of a yoga and philosophy school with physical premises, I oversee thousands of people in my community and I was required to track many peoples' vaccination status for significant lengths of time. The 3% roughly tracks with what I personally experienced. Actually, if anything, my personal experience was that it was probably less than this - ie. fewer people were un vaxxed than even the statistics showed. This is interesting, since one might even expect that my specific demographic would show an overrepresentation of the opposite - that is, one could imagine that yoga practitioners and philosophy students might have more of a propensity to resist the 💉and the mass formation than the general populace. Sadly, that was not my experience in Australia.
@odettegibbs2238 👍🏽💜
Me too. But this guy is wrong. The masses haven't learnt and they will come for free thinkers whenever they can. When I visit the city I still see the lonely old cat ladies masked up. I know a woman who's eight year old child broke an arm. The child was denied medical attention until the mother complied. Never forget. Nuremberg 2.0 hasn't happened. Nobody is sorry.
How do you know it is only 3%. It's only what we have been told
The 'devastating personal costs' being what, exactly?
That many people, rightly, came to see you as a conspiratorial type, willing to lap up utter nonsense, laughably believing yourself to be part of some 'enlightened minority', due to some assortment of intellectual and emotional inadequacies?
I am American, and I lost my career because I refused those jabs.
I found it terrifying how alot of people fell for the often ridiculous and laughable rules
You didn’t have to fall for them to have to abide by them. I don’t own the grocery store, so I had to follow any rules they chose to enact in order to shop there. Did you want all businesses nationalized so you could ban all rules you don’t like?
@animula6908 yeah they all fell for it
During the "pandemic" I would often take my kids outside for hikes and bike rides, anything to be outside mask-free. One Saturday, we took a soccer ball and went to our local park, Martial Cottle park in San Jose, CA. Other than another couple, hundreds of yards away, we were the only ones there. There were signs stating that we should "Keep off the Grass and Stay on the sidewalks - Covid-19", but I ignored them and we kicked the ball around. After 20 minutes we fell to the grass, and looked at the sky with my kids heads on my tummy all staring up at the clouds and chatting. My kids spotted a helicopter in the distance. Suddenly there was a shrieking horn, and a police helicopter above us on a PA telling us: "Stay off the grass, and go to the walkways." I was stunned and my kids were afraid. I delayed, and they repeated the message. I felt outraged but figured the helicopter could land or police vehicles could arrive. We walked off, and I told my kids about bored police and my tax dollars at work against us. Now a few years later on a break in a hike my 16 yr old son and I sat on a rock overlooking the Pacific and mused about that moment and the totalitarian ideology of the today.
At least you didn't get trampled by horses (Australia)
What a complete waste and mockery of the police
Woman of courage and strenght. Well done. Your kids will be better adults because of your strenght. Thank you.
and now we have the mainstream media saying the lockdowns never happened
The US is a nightmare now. Our police are fools and tools. Our nation is entirely corrupted. We have no freedom at all. Not if you are poor anyway.
Your experience just seems so surreal…and frightening. So glad you weren’t arrested! Its so reassuring to know people like you did not succumb to the madness. There was a time when I felt quite isolated and then slowly discovered more and more people like you.
There are far more of us than I thought!
As an artist I have found a decline In creativity, art , music , free speech and true expression in general. I hope the that the wisdom shared here can inspire ethical thinking, compassion and morality.
general expressionism :D LOL, you need your degree money back
Artists often earning the least are the most vulnerable through forced uprooting and displacement yet are often the first to express the subversion going on
Any artist worth their salt would recognise that the so-called sucessful artists of earlier times surrounding the wars were funded to promote propaganda
Apparently creativity helps with resisting manipulation, I read that in Laura Dodsworth's book 'Free your mind,'
@@wendyg8536 Not just artists, but intellectuals who value $ over truth find propaganda pays well. Just "sell your soul" to the authoritarians.
I quit my job regarding the jab. Never regretted it.
I really don't think that's the point though... you're still in the psychosis if the refusal of the jab is so important to you, and you are still thrown into the paradigm, you're just on the side of those who fight the others, still being used.
If you care about other people - that's good. If you just care about opposing the government just for the sake of it - you're either a tool or an angel of chaos.
I'm not trying to offend or anything btw, but people still have their minds on the wrong things.
Loving and caring for each other is the real antidote to everything. Nothing the government fears more than a unified society. They try to break us with sexism, racism, nationalism, classism etc. "divide and conquer" works both at macro and micro levels.
@misanthrophex problem with that is the jab wasn't a real vaccine it never stopped transmission nor protected against c19.
That puts you in that 20 to 30 percent in that situation.
@@misanthrophexRefusing to give in to pressure is precisely the point.
@@misanthrophexdo you think quitting a job for the sake of truth is herd behaviour? Really?
“Cowardice is not fear. Cowardice is blind obedience.” - C.G. Jung
Thank you for this great quote..so perfect and succinct..love the brilliance of Carl Jung. Here's another gem of his: "One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light but by making the darkness conscious. "
No one was allowed to speak out. The government and social media made sure of that. I actually tried to tell a woman who was outside walking on a trail in the woods she walked past me clutching her mask that she didn't need a mask outside in the sun and fresh air in a mask. She rushed passed me scared to death.
*A view that allows people to be sacrificed in favour of a ‘higher’ goal is incompatible with democracy and human rights. And everyone who died as a result of coercion was too many - because the very fact that people were coerced into this measure is inadmissible. In totalitarianism, it is common for the individual to be sacrificed in favour of the collective. Is that really what we want? No, of course not!*
I’ve observed for years that a mask or scarf to protect my lungs from cold air helps my asthma. The upside to the pandemic was this became socially acceptable to people who formerly felt the need to pressure me not to wear one even if it was good for my health. Maybe the person you were interfering with was just sick of people telling her what to do with her own self. That’s the larger plague of mankind that we all succumb to from time to time.
That's so sad.
@@animula6908 nice try.
Animula
I’ve seen Asians wear masks before the Rona. The difference is this. People may wear a mask and idgaf if they do if they personally want to. If however they’re doing it because an authority figure or expert told them to then their action merely shows they’re slaves or sheep. Now you can argue blindly following leaders is called faith but that’s mainly in religion where allegedly you get revelation from god. Blindly following government where insider trading is legal and making money and being a career politician is the highlight of your life that’s a totally different thing.
I have an auto-immune disease. My doctor basically shoved it down my throat that if I didn't get the jab, I'd die for sure. She had been my doctor since I was a child so I trusted her, plus I was scared and just wanted to feel safe. Months after getting it, I went completely blind. (I use a screen reader which is how I am interacting with you all now) It has destroyed my life, but at the very least I am a very strong critical and independent thinker now. Stay strong everyone and don't forget that only you know what is best for you. Listen to your intuition and you'll never go wrong in life.
Im sorry that this happened to you … it’s a terrible pressure to take the V, doctors and the media is huge pushing it !
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry that you paid such an enormous price to gain this wisdom. It is so generous of you to want to help others avoid what you went through. I hope that through some great miracle or fortuitous chain of events that you will regain your eyesight. There are courageous, brilliant doctors out there who are profoundly helping people who have been vaccine injured. People like Dr. Bryan Ardis, Dr. Henry Ealy and many others. Wishing you healing and good things to come in your life.
How are you certain that the vaccine made you blind?
Thank you for your integrity and persistence.
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I am a truck driver, so I didn't miss any work due to Covid. I did wrestle with wearing a mask when picking up loads, feeling that I was knowingly participating in a lie.
Exactly
@@azsunburns how do you think covid was transmitted?
It was not a lie mike, the danger was only a little bit overestimated and some measures where too much. Thanks for being a truck driver. Always like you guys.
Mattias has done something very worthwhile here.
I was just thinking the same and then Flo voiced it - the covid vaccinations may have been crap, but some of us have been successfully inoculated against mass psychosis.
I am part of the unwashed and this event helped me understand how strong the pull to conform is in most people. I have been inoculated as you say
Ironical new meaning of “herd immunity.”
@@nancydockter4093 that’s very good!
I don't agree. I think Matthias was right about this - just because someone has been immune to one mass formation psychosis doesn't mean they will be resistant, the rest of their lives, to every other one that they will encounter. There is no room for complacency no matter how resillient one thinks one's personality is to it. People always need to be self-reflective and on their guard.
@@neilcomley7854 yes, immunity is specific and does wane! As Mattias goes on to say, the only protection is to hold true to certain personal ethical principles and even with this constant vigilance is needed.
This interview is a breath of fresh air. I feel like I've been screaming into the void for years now against various popularly held views, and felt like maybe it was all for nothing because nobody ever listened.
So it was you! I wondered where all that shouting was coming from.
I’m starting to see the world more as it appeared in The Matrix. I like to live in a way that opposes the simulation the elite wish to cast over us. I see my friends and family stuck in the fear based world, and I still love them, but I don’t need to buy into the propaganda they repeat.
You thought we couldn't hear you, but some of us woke up. You just don't know it
Thanks to all of us who didn't buy the narrative and spoke out. The black sheep always to speak the truth. Long live the black sheep!
Step 1, create a threat that the individual can’t mitigate.
Step 2, guarantee a solution in return for votes, money, power.
Step 3, vilify anyone who challenges your orthodoxy.
David Icke first coined the phrase: Problem, Reaction, Solution. The problem is created to get a reaction demanding the solution they wanted to give you in the first place.
Hegelian dialectic.
Problem, reaction, solution.
yep!! Oldest Trick in the Book!
call it global climating
V for vendetta played out
Never forget that!!!! From December 2021.......''The feeling of total powerlessness is terrible and I thought I had already experienced it. Wrong thought. An ICE train takes me back from Munich to Berlin. It stops in Nuremberg and Erlangen. Shortly after Nuremberg there is a commotion on the train, a man in a suit hurries to the back, pursued by the conductor and some fellow passengers, Erlangen station is reached and the railway police storm in. The man recognizes the inevitability of the situation and stands at the nearest toilet door, hands up. Nevertheless, he is pulled to the ground, plastic handcuffs are put on him and he is thrown out of the train with great screaming. Then a group photo of the officers with their target.
It is now clear what happened here. The man got on quickly, had no ticket, wanted to buy it from the train attendant and could not provide proof of vaccination. He was probably hoping to be able to escape from the platform in Erlangen. This was stopped by staff and self-appointed sheriffs. The brutal approach, the manhunt through the train, the mutual back-slapping of those involved, all of that would have been somehow bearable if it hadn't been for the 80 to 90 passengers in my car, all of whom praised the behavior of those involved, applauded and were outraged about the danger to public health posed by this one man, who of course wore a mask. In complete contrast to the admirers of the law enforcement authorities. Most of them only put their masks back on when the conductor appeared.
All the way to Bamberg, they were still getting excited about what should happen to 'unvaccinated vermin': locking them up, labor camps, even castration was suggested. I went through the car to see who was making such loud suggestions for a state of emergency. It was a colorful mix of society. The green hipsters who you could recognize by their Greta stickers on their laptops. The self-satisfied pensioners, the shift workers with their after-work beers, the eco-moms with their screaming toddlers, the couple on their way to the coast. And right in the middle of it all was me. I was unable to say anything, I was too cowardly and the shame of this cowardice froze me. I don't remember what happened between Bamberg and Berlin-Südkreuz. I fell into a kind of trance, I could still feel tears running down my face, but I was unable to utter a word or make any movement.
I just sat there. A shell of myself. Shortly before Berlin-Südkreuz I woke up from the blackout and went to the door. I had never considered myself a coward, had never avoided a political discussion. But what I had experienced on that train journey I only knew from history books. It wasn't just a matter of 'joining in', it was the desire to be right at the front, to be involved in the spiral of destruction that my fellow travelers reported so proudly. And I was too cowardly to do anything about it. Maybe because I was locked in with them - I hope I wouldn't have frozen at an outdoor demonstration. Because if everything had gone wrong, I could have run away. But there was no escape in this rolling block warden paradise."
Wow! Your experience foreshadows future events which many of us, who don’t go along with the herd, dread.
@rogkeista1. Oh my goodness, that's how it was in so many places/countries. It was very surprising of such reaction/behaviour in country like Austria and Germany for the obvious reasons but, seeing how Germany's gov. is acting now frankly nothing seems surprising. Blessing to you :))
Unherd had a video of Freddy getting some flack for unjabbed in Austria. Austrians wanted unjabbed to be unherd lol literally
This could be a Kafka 'waking nightmare' story...so true of the last 4 years...
My work environment who were all drs went MENTAL
I still have so much anger and resentment towards those who lacked the intestinal fortitude to question the madness.
I used to be exactly the same as you. Slowly, over time, I have realised that being angry at the people who both allowed and promoted the CV-19 response solves nothing, changes nothing and only works to destroy your own happiness and will to live.
Mattias gets it right in this video when he says that all you should do is stay calm and question things without making it personal. It is incredibly hard to do in the face of sheer madness (I failed to stay calm many times while listening to that rubbish...), but that is what we must do. Getting angry at people certainly doesn't change their opinion, it only gives them a reason to hate you. We must get angry at the ideas, not the people.
Best wishes for getting past the resentment.
@@djn48 Great comment and very well said.💜
I often feel much the same way. I haven't forgiven them for the simple reason that they haven't asked me for my forgiveness.
However, I have largely moved on and I second Professor Desmet's comments about being loyal to Truth rather than to narratives and those infected by them, and I also second djn48's comment.
In March 2020 my "mother" told me to and I quote to never come around her without a mask. I haven't spoken to her since and never will again. This was just the last straw after enduring years of abuse from her. My "brother" tried to off himself. I never said a word to them. I'm completely done with people. I don't care if they are family or randos. Just done.
@@sonicleaves For what it's worth, I bet 80% of the people in this comments section have similar stories and understand what you are going through, including me. Are we not people worth talking to? And if you don't think so, then ask yourself: why did you comment here? [I'm not attacking you by the way, it was a rhetorical question.]
You can't give up on *everyone*. That is the path to Living Hell, and it will kill you slowly and painfully. Trust me... Been there, done that, don't feel like going back.
I have no idea what it was inside me that led to me digging my heels in so strongly to the point that I was holding signs by the side of the road and protesting at vaccine centres but I found out I was braver than I thought, when backed into a corner. I just remember thinking that whatever happened to me for speaking out, could not be worse than where the madness was heading, that I'd rather not be here at all, than live in the world that was planned by the eleeches.
I tip my hat to you. I also found a deep core of stubborn resistance.
You had the human sense of intuitiveness that Matias speaks to and used it to guide your actions.
I too resisted. Where were you located.? I left everything behind but still encountered the mass formation zombies in the conservative state that was more open.
@@casimiralexander Somerset, England. Yes it was so weird wasn't it, I remember trying to talk to my neighbour about it and he simply wouldn't even consider the points I was making, like the average age of death was 82, or that there was no evidence it stopped the spread or that masks worked, or that the MPs had a conflict of interest and the BBC was given about 10 million by Bill Gates, and on and on, all true and verifiable, yet he wouldn't even look at the things that didn't make any sense or looked suspicious, and he was a retired doctor! He actually started shaking and was lightly aggressive!!! And its a good neighbour I've known for years, I'll never forget it. Well done on standing up to the mass bullying, I remember how freaked out I was to be the only one without a mask in a supermarket and I even got thrown out of a shop once!🤦♀️🤣😱
. I remember being the ONLY One in the supermarket every week. Just Absolutely couldn't wear a mask or get jabbed.. I will not go along to get along.
Outstanding. Protect this man.
I became a fan of Matthias in May 2020 went I found his video where he described Mass Formation Psychosis and suddenly the Covid craziness around me made complete sense. I’ve made it a personal challenge to use discernment in everything I’m exposed to these days. If something I hear triggers my fear, anger, hatred or despair I know I’m being manipulated and ignore it. Thanks for this!
A great litmus test you have for manipulation..very helpful.
“The best political, social, and spiritual work we can do is to withdraw the projection of our shadow onto others.” - CG Jung
What does that mean in practical terms, please?
This needs shouting from the rooftops, it’s the most visible truth of our time . The solution is hard though as it demands we all face and integrate our own shadow . Hard work but essential.
This is what it means to me...that we need to recognise our duality, the light (good) and the shadow (evil) and our capacity to readily see the latter in others but not ourselves....ie projection.
@@MartinRea-m6h This quote from Jesus is similar and more readily understandable. "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" This advice is also echoed by Jordan Peterson, a big CG Jung fan, when he says "Clean your own room before you go and tell the world how to clean up its act"
@@J31 Not even close.. It's saying to grow up and actually act like adults with some measure of emotional maturity instead of hypocrites, bc the neurotic projection and maladapted aggression that passes for sane and takes us to war fits the definition of 'depraved' or 'insane' much more accurately - We become the evil we project onto others and this inflated lack of humility is what we promote when we buy into all the dehumanizing bs propaganda narratives about what 'those bad people over there' are guilty of while oblivious to the fundamental role of finance behind it all.
So if we project our own shadows into these binary dichotomies - herd mentalities - and view the world in terms of good guys vs bad guys, or us vs them, we are the problem. If you learn to see it for what it is - a collective psychosis arising from pathologically dissociated behavior - it encourages you to withdraw your own projections and work to counter that collective momentum, bc you inevitably suffer the social, spiritual, geopolitical, and economic consequences of that.
The last 4 minutes of this video are the pinnacle of importance. I think he identifies one of the most powerful pieces of not only the malformation puzzle but meaningful human life in general. Essence trumps illusion. Thank you for this talk.
Clearly a gifted and insightful person. I have a feeling Desmet has inadvertently uncovered something about consciousness itself. Consciousness is almost impossible to describe or define because we are part of the system of consciousness and as such it is exceptionally rare that we get a glimpse of its nature from an outside perspective. We may well be right in the middle of evolving to a higher state of collective consciousness without actually knowing it.
Thank you for this great service. This is the kind of love and courage we need in these times. ❤
To sum this up, when confronted with an individual who has succumbed to this kind of mass formation psychosis -Don't hate the person, hate the person's behaviour! Well said.
They shouldn’t have been so weak minded to be so easily manipulated in the first place
Hatred is never appropriate.
@@stephentoner2902true, yet a bit harsh!
Huh. So... all those who succumbed to the mass formation were able to vitriolically hate the freethinkers with impunity, but now they expect a free pass from those whom they persecuted? This seems like a great get out of jail free card for such people to avoid accountability.
@@odettegibbs2238 Yes it is, jails are full to the brim!
The world needs more people like Flo and Mattias
I found that about 90% of the friends and family (all blue voters in liberal states) caught the Mass Formation disease. They isolated and ignored me. I became desperate and one member of my family nearly suicidal.
do they only watch cnn perhaps?
You have to create community somehow.
This happened here in Ireland, all the old friends were self isolating, you could see the fear in their eyes, all of society aged 10 years in appearance, sick government policy.
we’ve 🇦🇺 still got people walking around outside on their own ~ wearing a mask 😷. I even see people in cars ~ by themselves ~ masked 😷 up … 🙄 smh
@@bodhi9464 complient
This is so tragic for the country. Meanwhile the Plantation continues.
This is the best interview and most valuable set of ideas I have heard, especially on unheard, which is saying a lot. I hope desmot gets more exposure and people reflect more widely on the direction our society is going.
Unfortunately, Democrats with TDS have fallen victim to this mass formation psychosis.
Feels like we are going around in circles. See Wilhelm Reich's 1933 book The Mass Psychology of Fascism.
Yes! Democrats with TDS.
It's quite shocking how few people know about the forbidden book hidden laws of the game on borlest
"...hidden laws of the game on borlest." ? I like to believe I am immune from being "conned" by anyone on anything. On occasion I have been taken, even as an "internal voice" was warning me. WHY? I don't know! On reflection (it's painful) I try to self-analyze. At 82, I have NEVER fell victim to mass hysteria. But, to one on one cons, yes. It was humiliating.
nice scam angle
@@1voluntaryist "At 82, I have NEVER fell victim to mass hysteria", well how are you certain?
"An idea so outlandish and illogical only an intellectual would believe it."
I dont know where it is from but i like that sentence.
Finding the 'hidden laws of the game' ebook should be your top priority, even if it's the last thing you do in life
I’m starting to see a pattern here.
Is this about tiny hats?
I was genuinely asking, btw. What is the book about??
423 upvotes so it must be interesting but I’ve never heard of it.
Finding a book called the Bible should be top priority. My friend, there are no hidden laws, they’ve been given by God for all to see. And the price for our transgressions have been paid for in blood. It’s called the Good News because knowing this fills our heart with gratitude and love ✌🏻
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I questioned it from day one. Nurses dancing on endless social media reels, censorship, Facebook jail, clapping for the NHS, it's hard to put into words how retarded it was, and people just bought it. No amount of talking will ever make me understand how dumb people were.
The milgram experiments.
the global IQ test and 90% of the population failed
This guy gets it so right... thanks for this video. Every day I wake up and think ..."Don't let yourself get brainwashed today Brisey " It's a good routine
Hopefully you don't have a TV, watch MSM or read 'news' papers.
@@emailsar3282Actually I don’t have regular TV and I dont read newspapers either…
Love it
@Meetpete-2024 I even advanced further and eliminated my "cell" (jail) phone and let me tell you something... now I know my dad was all right this time alone. He would say "it's that damn phone in your hand" and man was the old man right. Never experienced this type of liberation, PEOPLE this is beyond what words can explain. My telephatic powers are back and life's never been better. The revolution will be silent and not "televised" DESTROY THE "Chip" free yourself ASAP
One of the best interviews on this channel. This person is soo inspiring. Thank you!
One distant relative in a nursing home, who could not be visited for months, and her family made little effort to remove her although all she had was arthritis and anxiety. She declared she was going to starve herself to death and she succeeded 😭. What you say is exactly right.
Lonely and no meaning. Very sad.
I am experiencing this now (not the nursing home.. rather, the loneliness). My relationship ended... I only see my daughter 4 days a month. It is incredibly painful.. being alone.. feeling too broken to rebuild the bonds I've lost since Covid. I never thought I'd wind up in this place, but... living alone, without other people, is not what we are made to do.
@@CalmBeforeTheStorm76 Sorry for your loss. That said, I'd recommend you to go to the gym, a martial art dojo, a church; do anything to get out of your head by forming friendships and doing things together; in the medium to long run, it pays off.
Be well.
@CalmBeforeTheStorm76 you nursing home should have activities to allow you to thrive. Please seek them out. Remember you are worth it. ❤
@@janinedalbey2448Read things properly 😮
Mathias always inspires me to be better. It’s really tempting to get upset with family and friends when they yell at you or call you names for bringing up something that triggers their mass hysteria. But I think that reaction to feel upset with them comes from a similar need to be loved and connected that is driving the mass formation disorder.
@@SL-es5kb I experienced this at the dining room table days after Russia invaded Ukraine UNPROVOKED, and I dared to suggest that before making such an unequivocal statement, there is some history we need to integrate.
@mylesflaig148 you're an example of someone afflicted by mass formation psychosis
There is only one individual in my family (siblings and spouses) that shuts everyone down like a maniac. She is the only one in the family that doesn't practice a relationship with God. Mathias has good point about rationalising because the family member I am speaking of here, has a habit of hyper rationalising and coming up with a quick explanation for everything, including things that are in no need of explanation. The hyper rationalistic is talking into the ground, through over explaining and rationalising they literally kill everything.
@@mylesflaig148 Yeah, history. It shows that Russia was more than justified going into Ukaren.
Here's a ChatGPT summary:
- Matthias Desmet is a professor of psychology at the University of Ghent in Belgium and an expert on mass formation psychosis.
- Desmet became interested in herd mentality during his PhD when he noticed the replication crisis in sciences, where up to 85% of academic papers were not reproducible.
- He observed that highly educated people often fall prey to groupthink due to a desire to conform and an educational system that promotes indoctrination.
- During the COVID-19 pandemic, Desmet published a paper arguing that the fear of the virus was more dangerous than the virus itself, claiming that initial mortality rates were exaggerated.
- Despite being proven correct about the exaggerated statistics, Desmet faced significant backlash and became a public figure in Belgium.
- Desmet shifted his focus to understanding the psychological processes that lead societies to embrace absurd narratives.
- He argues that loneliness and lack of meaning in life make people vulnerable to mass formation, where they latch onto narratives that provide a sense of control and collective purpose.
- Desmet explains that modern masses are formed by isolated individuals connected through mass media, leading to extreme collectivism and the emergence of totalitarian states.
- He notes that a small, cohesive group (20-30%) can dominate society, while a larger group remains silent, and a crucial minority (1-10%) speaks out against the narrative.
- Desmet emphasizes the importance of continuing to speak out to prevent mass formation from reaching its most dangerous stages.
- He believes that the COVID-19 pandemic may have acted as a psychological vaccine, making people more resistant to future mass formations.
- Desmet is optimistic about the long-term future, seeing a growing awareness of the value of truth and sincerity.
- He warns against the potential for new mass formations, even among those who resisted the COVID-19 narrative.
- Desmet stresses the importance of ethical principles and humanity in resisting totalitarianism and mass formation.
- He suggests that the collapse of religious communities has contributed to loneliness and vulnerability to mass formation.
- Desmet advocates for rediscovering the original religious and scientific experience of unity and sincerity.
- Main message: Desmet argues that understanding and resisting mass formation psychosis requires a commitment to truth, sincerity, and ethical principles, as well as awareness of the psychological vulnerabilities that lead to collective hysteria.
I do rationally LOVE this discussion. 😉 thank you for this one. Keep up the conversations.
29:30 when people tell you who they are believe them. Don't hate them, love them, but never trust them again.
Sound advice Nicole ..we tended to give the blatantly obvious signals a pass ..hiding in plain sight !
Love includes trust
Wow. The conclusion to this has brought me to tears. I remember Waugh's words: "When the waterholes were dry, people sought to drink at the mirage". Desmet's words are like the flowing of cool, pure water.
Excellent! Mattias has made a fine conclusion to the process of human development that points finally to where one sees the limitations of rational thought and moves into the mysterious direct perception of reality where oneness is seen. Strange how the lies and bs we’ve had to put up with can drive those willing to face the truth, towards a “spiritual” vision of life. Wonderful to hear! So rare.
🙏😎👍🕉
Possibly the most important video on the internet. I despise totalitarianism. This information has the preventative cure. Wake up people. Listen.
Vote Trump 2024!
Sure, sure, only 5 out of 6 billion took gene therapy, somehow Matthias doesnt calculate it in. totalitarianism is an embarrasing joke in comparison
He has hit the nail on the head.
Ask how cults work
Loved this interview. I read his book about totalitarianism and loved it, I've seen so many interviews with him, yet there was so much new information and ideas in what he said.
As a religious perennialist very much aligned with Aldous Huxley's view expressed in his well known book "The Perennial Philosophy'" I relate to Desmet's weltanschauung completely. We must discover the depths of that transcendental One that is at the core of all religious and mystical experiences in all major religions of the world. This understanding can help us go beyond modern technocratic, materialist, totalitarian ideologies and craziness. In other words; go beyond contradictory dualities and see the One underlying all things.
What an enlightened man, such a deep thinker and an eloquent speaker, who is able to encapsulate such an advanced conceptualisation of human psychology and its determinants in such a short video!
Im so thankful that i stumbled on this, as he was able to reconcile numerous conflicting ideas which were floating in my mind, in such a logical manner.
Thank you so much! ❤
Flo you asked Matthias very pertinent questions in a brilliant interview- thank you !
There was more than "rational thinking" @ issue. After all we were told it was "deadly" with over 99.5% survival rate and yet most people lost their mind to crude propa**nda, dancing drs and nurses, all msm running exactly the same narrative, and still, most never stopped to think for themselves. Blessings to all.
25:10 I feel the interviewer bought in a psychotic narrative herself. The oranje danger is nonsense. Anyone wearing the ring can turn bad. There's no evidence that he will be. Every negative piece of news against him and his 'awful plans' are completely twisted edits. You can easily find the full footage of what he really said. This extreme tinkering with images proves they have nothing real against him.
Don't get me wrong, I never liked him, but right now he's a huge force for good against the current greedy, power and control hungry liars that are promoting mass formations for their own benefit.
I've seen him booed multiple times on videos that people like to send me. Absolute proof that he is a cult leader.
@@sdrc92126
I take it you're being sarcastic?
How is he protecting us from the power hungry? Who is the power hungry? Not Elon Musk? The man who bought a social media network at a loss and bans people at will from it?
I know we call everything Hitler that it makes us doubtful anything actually is Hitler. But, keep in mind, dictatorships happen all the time, so you need to look at the actual indicators. And what is a bigger indicator than what Trump says himself and what the Heritage Foundation (a very influential and powerful Conservative think tank) says in their Project 2025.
People told me in 2016 that Trump’s potential Supreme Court nominees would never strike down Roe v Wade. I didn’t believe them, and I was right. If we are going to be rational people, we have to research. We can’t take things off of “feelings” or assume this one cry of wolf or Hitler is also wrong.
Stunningly uninformed about who the man is, his history & the many reasons that he is their boy. The agenda will move forward because of gullible people.
I spoke out against the COVID ideology and took a lot of flack for it, but I don't hold a grudge against the compliant or the zealots in the ordinary population. So many of them are sick, and many have died as a result of trusting the government's narrative. I don't want to make them suffer anymore than they already are. I pity them.
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Unherd talks are a high bar and this is one of the best for me. It helps me to understand the madness of this world and better still presents a couple of antidotes. Speak out, be ethical and be sincere. Thank you Unherd.
I am a retired police officer in Ireland 78 yrs. retired 2003 having served in the UN…met a retired FSB agent from Russia during that time and he opened my mind to what the Soviet world in the thirties created a 100 year plan to destroy the West through a mind virus that was created in The Frankfurt school and by number of Kazarians Jewish philosophers called Repressive tolerance . An American philosopher Herbert Marcuse wrote an essay about this. In the 60 ies these Kazarians Jewish philosophers were invited to USA to teach these post modern philosophies . The students then became teachers and these poisons were then taught in the teacher colleges and in police colleges medical Colleges . The Chinese attached units to every university called Confusious societies who were run by CCP who used the honey trap to capture the professors in these universities .. this results in the current woke isms that are destroying the family which is the target . Today the Irish government issued a hate speech bill reinforcing. The Crazy Gander fluid issues ….the 100 year plan worked and Gi Jen ping celebrated this in 2021/22. In actual fact ultimately their attempt to destroy meant they broke Universal Law and when you break these Laws they will ultimately break you as in the soviet collapse and the pending destruction of Europe, America and China .. my hope is that Brics will restore sanity. The Ego was manipulated and now finally it has suffered enough Self is waking up. “ suffering is the Goad to enlightenment . There is great hope for the future .. being 78 I won’t see it and I don’t intend to come back….i don’t put my faith in individuals Like Trumps and Putins we are responsible for our own fate. Trump was groomed by the world military group called hilariously the White hats aparrently 800 generals and Admirals from every military in the world….some friends I have in several of these militaries are convinced that it started when Kennedy was killed because he was going to go back to the Gold state with Sukarno who was deposed as he was working with Kennedy and a large group secretly to destroy the CIA. My finger is worn out typing ..very best blessings and light for your great work..
You have to understand the Law of opposites where the great internal battle emerges from within each of us and manifests in the World creates this chaos . Man is continually chasing Desire and fleeing fear
@@bfuiltugomaith
That's true, but it is possible to break free of this struggle 🙏
@@BillSikes. It is possible but not gonna happen. It was very weak people who allowed this. Do you think the same weak people are going to stand up and change things? The Soviets and the Russians are both correct is noting western culture has descended into a cess pool of decadence.
I'm surprised youtube didn't auto-delete your comment. Thanks for sharing
bfruitugomath - interesting, however, this mass manipulation started earlier than JFK.
It kicked in after WW11 when the US was high on its own propaganda of having won the war - they didn't, they just wrote the history books and made movies to confirm the narrative - and the realisation that so many countries now bankrupt, depended on their aid. The Americans over the years added more and more conditions. Political corruption US style was born which has morphed into commie totalitarianism today and the CIA call the shots.
At one point I thought of Graham Hancock saying that he'd prefer politicians be made to undergo ayahuasca rituals before seeking to represent anyone, to ensure they understand connectedness through mystical insight.
I like this idea.
@@LilyGazou there's a YT interview with him (probably more than one) where he brings it up, sorry i'm unable to post a link.
Thank you both for your courage…and inspiration. It’s a wake up call for me, as if I’m honest I may be straddling the fence between the 60-65% of people who see something wrong but remain silent, and the 1-10% who see something wrong and speak out, and thus avert the mass formation from reaching its tragic end stage. Sobering food for thought. Thank you
Excellent. Thank goodness for the Desmets of the world.
Engaging discussion - thank you
I apologize for making three seperate comments. But this was a great interview, I havent heard such condensed wisdom stuffed into so few minutes for a long time. Great questions to move things along Flo.
Hearing Mattias speak fills me with relief. He describes my experience of knowing and speaking up & at times remaining silent when navigating the relationships with people in all arenas who were fully in the grips of the propaganda.
THANK YOU!
Those managers that coast, not really knowing their job, can pick out those in their team that resist this herd mentality: they pick them out when redundancies are made.
Well, they are too risky to have around during times of uncertainty. They ask too many questions.
And, then it's not a team, it's a work group. :)
Amazing interview! Mattias Desmet is such a refreshing voice!
Every personal belief, opinion or philosophy is held because the individual truly believes those beliefs are based in truth. And this satisfies the human need to “know” what the “answer” is. Religion, politics, social justice etc. “I know the truth”, while simultaneously ignoring that it’s impossible for everyone to be correct, and also impossible for any individual to be correct 100% of time.
why not
@@bayonetta1464 Lack of omniscience
I don't know if that's true. I've known plenty of people who know their beliefs don't have a foundation of truth, but a foundation of comfort.
Example- people know politicians lie constantly, yet they will still tout serving in the military is somehow an ethical career.
Example- some are fully aware Western medicine is a health failure, yet still cling to the belief that becoming a doctor or allopathic nurse equates to an education in facts and ethics.
Comfort in belief to get the bills paid far exceeds truth in action
Prof Desmet gives hope to humanity. Excellent questions and paraphrasing of his central theory giving clarity and food for thought. Thank you.
Thank you. I have been sharing this on X, I want as many people as possible to see it, it explains so much, thank you Ms Read, thank you Professor Desmet.
Thank you for interviewing this great man!
This is very interesting. Thank you for your work and your sharing this
this is one of the most important things on the Internet right now
Take a gander at Dr Campbell 's interview with Dr Speicher
“ Rational understanding is not our destiny ! “ This is all of it in a nutshell.
That would explain why there is a move in many jurisdictions to clamp down on freedom of speech. Very interesting interview.
So glad to hear that practising ethics and humanity are the solution
Remembering the mass formation explanation has helped me temper my temptation to feel anger and to seek revenge on those who segregated me during covid. They knew not what they did...
Such an accurate analysis. Puts the finger where the problem is. Current examples of mass hypnosis: woke, climate etc. Many thanks.
Woke? Yes. Climate? God, I wish!
@@laluna5548 climate alarmist are a real thing. It goes side-by-side with TDS.
@@laluna5548Perhaps I can help you with your climate mass formation?
@@warnerchandler9826 Why so confident? We can fall pray to different mass formations
@@laluna5548 Perhaps I misunderstood your intent?
I thought you meant to say that you wished that the climate crisis were not real.
BRILLIANT!!! Again gratitude Mattias Desmet for your precious and courageous work 💚
Fascinating, Gustav La Bons The Crowd suggested that group mentality is hive minded and hypnotised, and full of collective purpose, therefore absent of guilt for actions. This all makes so much sense.
William Hazlitt the greatest essayist in the English language does an essay (yet another brilliant one) about this.
@@garymelnyk7910 thanks, haven't heard of him before will check him out. Any specific essay you'd recommend? See the fight... and the art of hating might be good places to start.
This man is so wise! He helped keep me sane and to trust my Intuition!
Mental hygiene on display. Dude is very clear. Well done.
Dancing nurses was absurd. We have this crisis where healthcare system is apparently overwhelmed, but at the same time around the world nurses have time to plan, choreograph and practice dances while they are apparently overworked in life threatening situation.
I've been overworked (not in nursing) and last thing I would have done during that time is to plan and practice some flash dances with my coworkers.
Thank you Flo for manifesting this dialogue with Mattias. I'm grateful. It reminds me of something I love of Virgil's Aeneid 6 (rough translation) "Yield not to ills, but go forth all the bolder to face them as far as your destiny will allow!" When I was young, I read The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude By Etienne de La Boetie (1552-53). I've thought about it ever since. Seemingly early intuitions on mass formation psychosis.
In NZ during the Covid troubles we looked over the precipice of violent totalitarianism and then our PM lost her nerve and quit. It was a knife edge.
Yeah... that is not what a captain does..it wasn't cowardice it was corrupt
People are comfortable, mostly through trusting others. Those other people can't cope with being challenged, as things rarely go wrong.
So everything runs smoothly, without any questioning, which is an unaffordable overhead, until it doesn't.
And then nobody knows what to do.
This is endemic in large organisations where productivity is of no concern.
Superb Interview.,, Thankyou so much for this,.,. I was one of the ones getting shouted at by people in shops and Queues for not wearing a mask. For not following the rediculous rules the Government were spouting. I stayed strong and kept on doing it. Now it comes about that i was the one not suffering from Mass formation hypnosis. Being sceptical of Propganda and doing research, also Not watcing the MSM were a key part of that.,,. Stay strong people, the 1-10% group is growing day by day,.,.,. Love from UK.,,.,.,.,.,.
Brilliant insights and advice to help each of us achieve independence of thought and freedom from fear. Rational thought alone is insufficient in this crisis.
I have always been a seeker of truth, which gave me immunity from the mass psyop.
Nobody is immune. People just like to praise themselves for being the special superior one.
Seeking truth above all does result in wisdom and understanding.
Psalm 51: 6 "Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom."
I'm from the SF Bay Area. Lots of credentialed people who have no clue what is going on, even in their specialty. The lack of wisdom, common sense, prudence is shocking. It's a cult of the elite and they just can't see what the reality is outside of their very narrow bubble. It's really weird.
Learned this independently many years ago, which is why I don’t blindly follow any ideology. I also appreciate being wrong about my perceptions because after I assess why, it leads to personal growth. I love the closing about transcending rationality. It is beautiful and true!
Mattias is impressive as always. Please invite him for a longer interview in your beautiful London studio, perhaps in dialogue with Paul Kingsnorth: that would be interesting.
"Mass formation is mass hypnosis." I've seen it with my own eyes.
34:25 he just answered your question before you asked it. He said we must rely on principles. The Christian religion is simply a living out of right principles. If we all do what is right, then we appear on the outside to simply be following a herd mentality. I am comfortable with being a part of a herd so long as that herd is walking according to right principles. There are many religious abuses, But there is one word of God which corrects the religious abuses more forcefully than it corrects those around us. Please do not fear following God's word.
Well said.
Amen. I agree.
What would jeebus NOT do??? Speak against slavery and all the even MUCH worse things it's ALL for. But the sleepy flock just ignore all of that. They love their mind screws!!
Got rid of mine by learning what's in there. But most don't want to know or look
NO. Start with Exodus 21:20-21. Then see how many more there are.
People would have to understand the anti political stance in order to understand jesus and that is never discussed
This was actually easy to see for me.
I've only a high school education and could still see the holes in the story.
Glad i abstained from the experiment.
buy his book not because it's good or bad but because the university of gent has banned it !
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The more I listen to Mattias the more I love him! Such a wise person.