I think you made a mistake in regard to speech: The forest trolls are not the only trolls that can speak. The Oog-Hai also spoke the Black Speech of Mordor.
Exactly: "Trolls. Troll has been used to translate the Sindarin Torog. In their beginning... these... had no more language than beasts. But Sauron had made use of them, teaching them what little they could learn.... Trolls therefore took such language as they could master from the Orcs; and in the Westlands the Stone-trolls spoke a debased form of the Common Speech.... " The Lord of the Rings, Appendix F, The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age: Of Other Races "But Orcs and Trolls spoke as they would, without love of words or things; and their language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it. " The Lord of the Rings, Appendix F, The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age: Of Other Races "[Olog-hai] spoke little, and the only tongue that they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-dûr. " The Lord of the Rings, Appendix F, The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age: Of Other Races Also te varieties of Trolls are as follows: Stone-trolls, Cave-trolls, Hill-trolls, Mountain-trolls, Olog-hai and the last are mostly rumored, unclear whether they really exist, snow-trolls, it's unclear because it's only mentioned in this passage: "Helm grew fierce and gaunt from famine and grief; and the dread of him alone was worth many men in the defence of the Burg. He would go out himself, clad in white, and stalk like a snow-troll into the camps of his enemies, and slay many men with his hands."
The one that fought Aragorn in ROTK at the black gate was the most awesome and intimidating. Loved that beast. Same ones that stunned even Galdalf after the "no matter what comes through that gate you will stand your ground" speech.
I could see there being a race within stone like the ents within trees, intended to co exist with dwarves, like ents with elves, but melko turned them into something to menace the dwarves
Ents were only around 14 feet tall. Trolls were meant to be smaller than ents. So 30 - 50 feet is a very drastic height for a troll. Good idea to make a video on different species of trolls!
Wait so what were those pale almost deformed creatures that destroyed the ram charriots in the Battle of The Five Armies? There was also the one Bard defeated by ramming a cart into it. Aren't those trolls aswell?
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You're showing Graug from Shadow of Mordor game, but it's not a Troll. It's wild animal from Mordor. Btw in Hobbit, Bilbo and Dwarves met MOUNTAIN trolls, not forest trolls.
In shadow of mordor you can read that graugs and oologs were bred to create the oolog graug, a bigger, stronger graug. That's all the significance a graug has.
@@PamelaTaylor Tolkien was a cheeky bastard. He named his golems, trolls. And his troll, golem. Like the golem, the trolls were forged from the earth. Or stone. Or clay. I'm not the worlds leading expert on ancient Judaic folk lore, but I believe their stories about golems, while viewing them as useful, also saw them as an evil. Any time something without access to the "secrate fire" (anyone who is not eru iluvitar) tries to make life, it is an evil mockery. ...so yes they are constructs of the earth, forged by a demon. Did I over answer, or did I miss your point?
Is there a name for the kind of artwork which you see in images like 5:12? Kinda Spiderwick Chroniclely I love it, such a sense of eery fantastic wonder...
I wonder how would the giants from A song of Ice and Fire fit into this world. Will they be seen as equals, or seen as prey? Would they side with any part or search for solitude?
It depends, if Song Of I & F suddenly appeared in middle earth they would instantly be eradicated due to their "pacific" position. but if somehow they appeared in some forest protected by elves, they would instantly become the counter-attack for trolls and may be good friends with dwarves since they both like to eat meat, also they would have some troubles with ents when cutting some trees but if elves help them and give them a place in the forest, they would be the best "rangers" in the black forest, Lothlorien or any other large forest that needs to be protected. anyway, I think they would establish their colonies in the black forest since they are close to Lothlorien, Erebor and Thranduil's kingdom. they would hunt lots of fish in the Anduin and probably kill any troll or orc to protect their own children. the best part is that Giants would become the best "Guards" and most kingdoms would pay them with gold or food or anything to keep their walls safe :D or actually go kill some trolls or whatever, they would grow in number but no that much, and anyway they would ride mumakil :o
This lore is so much cooler and more realistic than all other fantasy. I actually believe this, which makes all the difference. It feels like it's real, like it really could be.....
They're very different actually. The only thing trolls and giants have in common is their relatively big size when compared to humans, elves, dwarves or hobbits.
Forest Trolls never existed in ME and are not canon, if Tolkien never wrote or spoke about them. They are an invention of video games only. Half-trolls certainly existed, but only in the southern-most lands of ME, such as Harad. They never ventured as far north as the Misty Mountains and never allied themselves with the orcs of that region - that is just more nonsense EA came up with for the games.
@@Someone-hs5yb according to the concept art and vfx books concerning the film, the trolls are indeed Olog-Hai, just a bit bigger than those in the lord of the rings films.
@Gasper Vidovic well, in the hobbit book, the orc army was primarily made up of goblins and wolves. The gundabad orcs and Trolls were added only in the film version. Olog-Hai trolls are mentioned in the tolkien books, but only in the third lord of the rings book, the return of the king.
is there a troll that separate from morgorth and Sauron then coexist with some man or elf clan that didn't consider them as threat but as a neighbour ?
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Question:What the ever loving fuck are OGRES??? There is so little information about them,and we only see them once in the battle of the five armies..SO WHAT ARE OGRES??
No, he used the wrong title for nr. 8, half-trolls are only slightly bigger than regular humans and are more akin to be literal troll humans, while the Olog-Hai is very much a real troll, resulting from cross breeding and personal magical empowerment by Sauron.
Could you give some examples of stuff being contradictory? If you're talking about stuff that was in The Hobbit, then you have to keep in mind that this story is told from Bilbo's perspective, and he's not exactly a reliable narrator, so he may change or distort some details here and there.
Games and Films AREN'T sources of Canon!!! This is Canon troll species: 1.Stone trolls which are Turned into Stone by sunlight. 2.Mountain trolls the which are the highest and are used for wielding Siege Beasts. 3.Hill trolls are smaller mountain trolls they're used ussually in combat. 4.Ogres are mentioned in Hobbit. 5.Two headed trolls are mentioned in the Hobbit. 6.Cave trolls are dumbest and served as Gothmog lord of Balrogs as bodyguards. 7.Snow Trolls live in North areas like Forochel, they're feral and rarely used by forces of darkness. 8.Half trolls may be a cross of MEN of Harad and trolls or they could be terrible looking marauders of Harad people. 9.Olog-hai are an upgraded version of troll and Can be and Upgrade for EVERY species as Olog-hai of Black Gate are described to be both Olog-hai and Hill trolls so we Can have every troll species in Olog-hai version. 10.Troll pre-existing creature must have been because without them being found by Morgoth there will be no other species of Trolls as from this unknown species Morgoth tainted them into first trolls.
1: He said Olog-hai, not Uruk-hai. The Ologs were the big trolls that we see in ROTK. 2: Uruk-hai already existed for hundreds of years in Mordor before Saruman started making them himself.
This is a very annoying thing I keep reading. Anytime I read about different troll types, stone trolls are brought up. A stone troll is not a different type of troll.. it's essentially a dead troll... because it turned to stone we're going to call it a different type or species? Makes no sense
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I think you made a mistake in regard to speech: The forest trolls are not the only trolls that can speak. The Oog-Hai also spoke the Black Speech of Mordor.
Exactly:
"Trolls. Troll has been used to translate the Sindarin Torog. In their beginning... these... had no more language than beasts. But Sauron had made use of them, teaching them what little they could learn.... Trolls therefore took such language as they could master from the Orcs; and in the Westlands the Stone-trolls spoke a debased form of the Common Speech....
"
The Lord of the Rings, Appendix F, The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age: Of Other Races
"But Orcs and Trolls spoke as they would, without love of words or things; and their language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it.
"
The Lord of the Rings, Appendix F, The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age: Of Other Races
"[Olog-hai] spoke little, and the only tongue that they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-dûr.
"
The Lord of the Rings, Appendix F, The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age: Of Other Races
Also te varieties of Trolls are as follows: Stone-trolls, Cave-trolls, Hill-trolls, Mountain-trolls, Olog-hai and the last are mostly rumored, unclear whether they really exist, snow-trolls, it's unclear because it's only mentioned in this passage:
"Helm grew fierce and gaunt from famine and grief; and the dread of him alone was worth many men in the defence of the Burg. He would go out himself, clad in white, and stalk like a snow-troll into the camps of his enemies, and slay many men with his hands."
And also the troller can talk
@Bryson Reins then correct it.
Uruk we’re capable as well
Didn’t he say stone trolls could speak too?
Bruz the chopper would like a word with you about his intelligence
Youcanhavethefort.exe
Smart troll, dumb troll! Same thing really! End result is them ripping spines out, which they quite like to do anyway.
Oh bruz does everyone love him even though be betrayed the player
@@NormalMrCool I never wanted the fort.
Haha Shadow of War? Im playing too!
The one that fought Aragorn in ROTK at the black gate was the most awesome and intimidating. Loved that beast. Same ones that stunned even Galdalf after the "no matter what comes through that gate you will stand your ground" speech.
Yeah, Olog-hai.
I think, in the film(s), these are just weaponized "mountain-trolls", the same who open the Black Gate and are working on Grond.
I could see there being a race within stone like the ents within trees, intended to co exist with dwarves, like ents with elves, but melko turned them into something to menace the dwarves
There is the Stone Giants from the hobbit
“Normally an arrow, even Elven, wouldn’t do that much damage”
basically Legolas is a freakin god
“I rolled a Nat 20”
“So a-“
“My feat gives me bonus Critical Damage”
“Okay so roll-“
*Sees all the dices are rolled high*
“How do you wanna kill it?”
THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE
Trolls are strong in THE LORD OF THE RINGS but super weak in THE HOBBIT
Because are diferent troll species.
And yet much bigger in The Hobbit
So I’m confused did you just say Bilbos trolls were stone trolls and forest trolls
They are actually mountain trolls right?
he fucks up allot in this video
@@ThatGuy-eu2vt Yeah, at the end of the video when talking about half trolls, the sign which comes up says "Olog Hai.
Stone trolls aren't a separate species they are trolls that turn to stone if they are touched by sunlight.
Also those three trolls have been confirmed by Tolkien himself to be named Tom Bert and William
This guy seems to think that video games are a solid source of canon
They are numbnuts
tiget2013 what does that even mean?
@@MarshWaha Which words are you having trouble with?
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Ents were only around 14 feet tall. Trolls were meant to be smaller than ents. So 30 - 50 feet is a very drastic height for a troll. Good idea to make a video on different species of trolls!
You forgot the biggest sorry bro. New Zealand's last prime minister: John Key.
There's a nother troll type as well a two heded troll it's only mentioned ones in the Hobbit by the dwarves describeing the trolls
They’re just Olog Hai with defects
Nice but I'm more interested in Mumakil.
Why isn’t this a more popular channel?
Because it isn't accurate
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4:16 he staying serious
what about the orges?? no mention??
Where did you get that Trolls has up to 50 feet? This is not canonical.
Please check the sources before spreading RPG myths instead of Tolkien words.
8:34 *half-trolls
They have a cave troll
One Troll to rule them all - Skankhunt42
And in the end Olog-Hai comes back, then talking about halftrolls... olog-hai was mentioned as nr 1 troll in the clip!
Big beast :))))
Music sounds like book of eli
Snow trolls from bfme are great
^^this. though the attack trolls were still my favorite design. the hill trolls, snow trolls, and the troll hero were just too cartoony
That's cool and crazy
Wait so what were those pale almost deformed creatures that destroyed the ram charriots in the Battle of The Five Armies? There was also the one Bard defeated by ramming a cart into it. Aren't those trolls aswell?
Those are Ogres
@@frenchmainwt no, the ones with orc on their backs.
@@tinalovre no those were mountain trolls
@@tinalovre Misty Mountain Trolls plus those were goblins on their back not orcs
@@frenchmainwt in botfa, the larger dark grey ones are trolls. The smaller tannish green ones are ogres
Hey where did you find the picture at 6:37
Nice video
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You're showing Graug from Shadow of Mordor game, but it's not a Troll. It's wild animal from Mordor.
Btw in Hobbit, Bilbo and Dwarves met MOUNTAIN trolls, not forest trolls.
Exactly. Graugs are one thing and trolls are another whole different animal/creature.
Graugs are non canon even
First shot is a Graug, damn lost credibility immediately but still a fun watch
In shadow of mordor you can read that graugs and oologs were bred to create the oolog graug, a bigger, stronger graug. That's all the significance a graug has.
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Trolls aren't a race.
They are constructs.
I thought they came from the ground
@@PamelaTaylor Tolkien was a cheeky bastard. He named his golems, trolls.
And his troll, golem.
Like the golem, the trolls were forged from the earth. Or stone. Or clay.
I'm not the worlds leading expert on ancient Judaic folk lore, but I believe their stories about golems, while viewing them as useful, also saw them as an evil.
Any time something without access to the "secrate fire" (anyone who is not eru iluvitar) tries to make life, it is an evil mockery.
...so yes they are constructs of the earth, forged by a demon.
Did I over answer, or did I miss your point?
Olog-hai do not turn to stone in the sunlight
Is there a name for the kind of artwork which you see in images like 5:12? Kinda Spiderwick Chroniclely I love it, such a sense of eery fantastic wonder...
Justin Gerard did it, search him in artstation
I think he forgot the troll face
Good content mate Tolkien Universe is always amazing thanks for making this..
The trolls is taken right out of Scandinavian/nordic mythology
But still are very diffrent
You tell olog hai two times first time in the first second time in the last
Nice excellent video
I wonder how would the giants from A song of Ice and Fire fit into this world.
Will they be seen as equals, or seen as prey?
Would they side with any part or search for solitude?
It depends, if Song Of I & F suddenly appeared in middle earth they would instantly be eradicated due to their "pacific" position. but if somehow they appeared in some forest protected by elves, they would instantly become the counter-attack for trolls and may be good friends with dwarves since they both like to eat meat, also they would have some troubles with ents when cutting some trees but if elves help them and give them a place in the forest, they would be the best "rangers" in the black forest, Lothlorien or any other large forest that needs to be protected. anyway, I think they would establish their colonies in the black forest since they are close to Lothlorien, Erebor and Thranduil's kingdom. they would hunt lots of fish in the Anduin and probably kill any troll or orc to protect their own children.
the best part is that Giants would become the best "Guards" and most kingdoms would pay them with gold or food or anything to keep their walls safe :D or actually go kill some trolls or whatever, they would grow in number but no that much, and anyway they would ride mumakil :o
Cool thanks for the awesome video I really loved it 👍😎.
2:06 those are ogres not trolls
The 7 different Trolls of Twitter
funny
Olog-hai is on here twice and is labeled as no.1 on both 1 and 7
This video accidentally told me what those animated movies were from my childhood ._.
No matter how many or how big, i can fight these big trolls all by myself!
The first picture we see is a graug
This lore is so much cooler and more realistic than all other fantasy. I actually believe this, which makes all the difference. It feels like it's real, like it really could be.....
The cave troll straight up reminds me of El Gigante from Resident evil 4
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You used the name Olog hai twice for two different creatures and used images of graugs
Different troll breeds and middle Earth
Trolls are the same as Giants? I am not sure about this!
They're very different actually. The only thing trolls and giants have in common is their relatively big size when compared to humans, elves, dwarves or hobbits.
They are not.
Giants are much bigger than trolls.
Awesome!! What do you think of the monster from The Host(2006)!!!! :)
Where are you from?
Forest Trolls never existed in ME and are not canon, if Tolkien never wrote or spoke about them. They are an invention of video games only. Half-trolls certainly existed, but only in the southern-most lands of ME, such as Harad. They never ventured as far north as the Misty Mountains and never allied themselves with the orcs of that region - that is just more nonsense EA came up with for the games.
On number 7 it said number 1
Too many ads
These are the only trolls that have speech...next troll: they speak! Sorry bro but getting so confused
Can you take a look at the dragons of Game of Thrones? I'd love it.
3 dragons, all the same species, different color and different size because of amount of food they ate. Not that hard
All of the dragons. Balerion, Meraxes, Vhagar, etc. Including my girl Caraxes the Blood Wyrm.
@@dirandrous7682 Doesn't Daemon refer to caraxes as a he?
8. the troll from the first Harry potter movie.
Trash
If stumpy is not troll than who was it
What was the troll in the hobbit 3 with the chains in its eye?
Probably tortured cave/mountain troll
It's an Olog-hai, an albino one. Just mutilated and tortured.
@@bigtroll8915 It's not too big for being an olog hai? What do you think? Maybein the movie they exaggerated
@@Someone-hs5yb according to the concept art and vfx books concerning the film, the trolls are indeed Olog-Hai, just a bit bigger than those in the lord of the rings films.
@Gasper Vidovic well, in the hobbit book, the orc army was primarily made up of goblins and wolves. The gundabad orcs and Trolls were added only in the film version. Olog-Hai trolls are mentioned in the tolkien books, but only in the third lord of the rings book, the return of the king.
"Ronkin-Base"?
This channel deserves 1M or more
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“Trolls were very large and monstrous WRAITHS...”
And you lost me.
I think it's his accent maybe
What do you think he meant to say?
@@bigbadseed7665 It's possible he meant to say race
yeah he said race
is there a troll that separate from morgorth and Sauron then coexist with some man or elf clan that didn't consider them as threat but as a neighbour ?
No
Nope
Saving this one. Check PP out too if you have a minute. --Bodyguards
Lord of the rings of conquest anyone
Can barely understand through your salivating lmao
why didn't you talk about any total war mods of lord of the rings or the minecraft mod they are very reliable and say lots
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Cave troll bigger than ologhai? What, arent cave trolls the smallest like seen in the movies and battle for middle earth?!?
And olog too from shadow of war
forest troll are node as hill troll
Question:What the ever loving fuck are OGRES???
There is so little information about them,and we only see them once in the battle of the five armies..SO WHAT ARE OGRES??
3:45
What about sauron????
My favorite troll is cave troll :)
My favorite are Gundabad Olog-Hai (non-canon) from hobbit 3 movie, love thier designs
So are grauges cannon
Number 1 and number 8 are the same?
No, he used the wrong title for nr. 8, half-trolls are only slightly bigger than regular humans and are more akin to be literal troll humans, while the Olog-Hai is very much a real troll, resulting from cross breeding and personal magical empowerment by Sauron.
Damn these shits look like my mother
Oh yes I also think food is good
I love fantasy but don't like Tolkien's lore. Too many things contradict themselves. I've always felt he needed to get his stuff straight honestly.
@Dalton K omg you just wrote a book yourself lol
Could you give some examples of stuff being contradictory? If you're talking about stuff that was in The Hobbit, then you have to keep in mind that this story is told from Bilbo's perspective, and he's not exactly a reliable narrator, so he may change or distort some details here and there.
Holy shit I heard the voice and I left this comment never to return... rip
you made a funny
Woops Wrong Game
wut ‘bout mountain giant???
I don't think it is confirmed that they actually exist
oh cmon
You forgot internet trolls
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Please work on your English subtitles they are not very good for example It’s Aragorn not Eragon.
Games and Films AREN'T sources of Canon!!! This is Canon troll species:
1.Stone trolls which are Turned into Stone by sunlight.
2.Mountain trolls the which are the highest and are used for wielding Siege Beasts.
3.Hill trolls are smaller mountain trolls they're used ussually in combat.
4.Ogres are mentioned in Hobbit.
5.Two headed trolls are mentioned in the Hobbit.
6.Cave trolls are dumbest and served as Gothmog lord of Balrogs as bodyguards.
7.Snow Trolls live in North areas like Forochel, they're feral and rarely used by forces of darkness.
8.Half trolls may be a cross of MEN of Harad and trolls or they could be terrible looking marauders of Harad people.
9.Olog-hai are an upgraded version of troll and Can be and Upgrade for EVERY species as Olog-hai of Black Gate are described to be both Olog-hai and Hill trolls so we Can have every troll species in Olog-hai version.
10.Troll pre-existing creature must have been because without them being found by Morgoth there will be no other species of Trolls as from this unknown species Morgoth tainted them into first trolls.
Azog didnt command any Uruk hai as they weren't created until lotr.
1: He said Olog-hai, not Uruk-hai. The Ologs were the big trolls that we see in ROTK.
2: Uruk-hai already existed for hundreds of years in Mordor before Saruman started making them himself.
The first one you see is a graug not a troll
It kind of kills all credibility to get your info from videogames dude.
9. Russian and Chinese Trolls.
You said Olog hai 2times
I really hate when you guys just read wiki articles word for word.
I'm being trolled
Underrated joke
This is a very annoying thing I keep reading. Anytime I read about different troll types, stone trolls are brought up. A stone troll is not a different type of troll.. it's essentially a dead troll... because it turned to stone we're going to call it a different type or species? Makes no sense
8. 4chan trolls