Absolutely. Or for towing on the tarmac for a very short distance. It is such a pity they installed a high quality aftermarket bull bar and underbody protection. But no one bothered to advice the customer about recovery points.
@@4xTouring Yes, the points you talk about on the Colorado and D-Max (same chassis) are rated tow hooks, not recovery points. If you used an equalized bridle recovery, you could get someone out once without major damage (you'd hope), but they are certainly not good enough for recovery all the time. Isuzu publish the following for 12MY to 19MY D-Max: 4x2: One hook - 2,850kg max 4x4: Two hooks - 2,950kg max
Thanks for the vid Duncan , you make some good points , although I disagree with your comments regarding the skid plates . Those tie down points are not recovery points and shouldn’t be used as such , rated recovery points would be fitted to another location on the chassis therefore the installer/manufacturer would be negligent in leaving enough room for a shackle to be fitted to the tie down point . Hope you understand where I’m coming from . Cheers
Hi Luke. Agree completely. My frustration was the installer never advised the customer he needs rated recovery points. The problem is some customers will not know the difference. Unfortunately in this situation, when the problem had already occurred, all we had to work with was the factory points which as you said are not recovery points.
Great video. Any scientific proof that the factory recovery points are not reliable? Or is this an assumption that since they are used in transportation they are not good enough for recovery? I have recovered and been recovered very many times using the factory recovery points without any issues.
agreed. Looking at the factory tow points on my vehicle, you'd rip the front chassis leg in half before they failed. however being not 'rated' then I find my myself in the position of replacing them with something arguably inferior.
Duncan, if he just had those round rings on each side of the front chassis they are for tying down when on a ship to transport them around the world, they are not recovery points they are tie-down points which have to be fitted at the manufacturing process to enable the vehicle to be transported overseas to its destination ... they are NOT recovery points whatsoever!!!.. Most 4wd shops just sell you what you ask for they do not say how about this or that.. or anything..If he was advised that he needs rated recovery points then maybe he would have purchased and had them fitted, or maybe he bought the vehicle like it and doesn't know anything about rated recovery points.
Hi Tim. Sadly that was exactly what happened. All he had was the tie down hooks. No one advised him about rated recovery points. The whole point of customers going to a shop is to get advice. Most of them time this does not happen.
But lot of car stuck on sand doesnt have recovery points such as toyota camry or sunny. But how come people pull these car out with tow points using a 4wd.
The safety issue comes in when it is a heavily loaded vehicle. Usually a loaded offroad touring 4x4 can weight upwards of 2.5tones. So when pulling a lot of stress is put on the recovery point. A Camry or Sunny will not be as heavy.
Well spotted Jason. You are very correct. It was quite a tricky recovery. The video does not show, to the left of the 80 the dune drops off about two metres. I was very concerned about this and not having proper recovery points to use on the ute. I had to make sure the 80 did not get stuck (or drop off the dune) as this would have meant a good several hours walk to get help. With all this on my mind I completely forgot to use the damper which I had in the kit. Despite the many recoveries I have done over the years, not having a calm mind made me miss this. I will be uploading a quick video on this. Staying calm is very important. Something I did not do in this instant.
@@4xTouring You are absolutely correct. When facing a recovery situation, 'Stop & think'. Stay calm. Easier to remember this way: When facing a recovery situation, have a coffee. Someone very famous in 4wd Action said this.
Too many people out there with their 4wd and no experience assume the tie-down points are recovery points. Thus may stem from manufacturers advertising showing their vehicles doing ridiculous stuff on beaches and tracks with no proper off road gear and cover their arses by having a disclaimer that filmed with a professional driver on a closed location. As a aside, interesting use of the term "skid plate". In Victoria we don't have much sand and drive on rocky tracks in the Vic High Country and call them "bash plates" lol. Probably to prevent our cars from being bashed to bits on massive rocks 😀
Hi Wayne. This past weekend at a local shopping car park saw two fairly well kitted 4x4s, no rated recovery points. Ignorance and lack of proper advice from suppliers. Skid plate/Bash plate - use as appropriate :D
@@4xTouring 👍 you'd think the sales people would want to sell more of their products. My bullbar fitting place (Ironman) recommend them if driving anywhere off the blacktop.
Okay so I am watching this video. Looking at your front would love to know your headlight protectors are you buying them from Toyota? Seems the ones that I’m getting from Toyota Only last about one year before they break. Do you have the same problem?
Thank you for your video.
Note the factory points are generally not recovery points as such.
They are used during transport of vehicles as tie down points, on ship's, etc.
Absolutely. Or for towing on the tarmac for a very short distance. It is such a pity they installed a high quality aftermarket bull bar and underbody protection. But no one bothered to advice the customer about recovery points.
@@4xTouring Yes, the points you talk about on the Colorado and D-Max (same chassis) are rated tow hooks, not recovery points. If you used an equalized bridle recovery, you could get someone out once without major damage (you'd hope), but they are certainly not good enough for recovery all the time. Isuzu publish the following for 12MY to 19MY D-Max:
4x2: One hook - 2,850kg max
4x4: Two hooks - 2,950kg max
Thanks for the vid Duncan , you make some good points , although I disagree with your comments regarding the skid plates .
Those tie down points are not recovery points and shouldn’t be used as such , rated recovery points would be fitted to another location on the chassis therefore the installer/manufacturer would be negligent in leaving enough room for a shackle to be fitted to the tie down point . Hope you understand where I’m coming from .
Cheers
Hi Luke. Agree completely. My frustration was the installer never advised the customer he needs rated recovery points. The problem is some customers will not know the difference. Unfortunately in this situation, when the problem had already occurred, all we had to work with was the factory points which as you said are not recovery points.
Great video. Any scientific proof that the factory recovery points are not reliable? Or is this an assumption that since they are used in transportation they are not good enough for recovery? I have recovered and been recovered very many times using the factory recovery points without any issues.
agreed. Looking at the factory tow points on my vehicle, you'd rip the front chassis leg in half before they failed. however being not 'rated' then I find my myself in the position of replacing them with something arguably inferior.
Not everyone agrees - ua-cam.com/video/CdVu2hKxPwc/v-deo.html
Yup, Soooo much marketing hype around a lot of 4 x 4 accessory's . Used my factory tow points many many times with zero problems.
Duncan, if he just had those round rings on each side of the front chassis they are for tying down when on a ship to transport them around the world, they are not recovery points they are tie-down points which have to be fitted at the manufacturing process to enable the vehicle to be transported overseas to its destination ... they are NOT recovery points whatsoever!!!.. Most 4wd shops just sell you what you ask for they do not say how about this or that.. or anything..If he was advised that he needs rated recovery points then maybe he would have purchased and had them fitted, or maybe he bought the vehicle like it and doesn't know anything about rated recovery points.
Hi Tim. Sadly that was exactly what happened. All he had was the tie down hooks. No one advised him about rated recovery points. The whole point of customers going to a shop is to get advice. Most of them time this does not happen.
But lot of car stuck on sand doesnt have recovery points such as toyota camry or sunny. But how come people pull these car out with tow points using a 4wd.
The safety issue comes in when it is a heavily loaded vehicle. Usually a loaded offroad touring 4x4 can weight upwards of 2.5tones. So when pulling a lot of stress is put on the recovery point. A Camry or Sunny will not be as heavy.
Probably the only thing I would have added Duncan would have been a recovery damper blanket for your protection.
Well spotted Jason. You are very correct.
It was quite a tricky recovery. The video does not show, to the left of the 80 the dune drops off about two metres. I was very concerned about this and not having proper recovery points to use on the ute. I had to make sure the 80 did not get stuck (or drop off the dune) as this would have meant a good several hours walk to get help. With all this on my mind I completely forgot to use the damper which I had in the kit. Despite the many recoveries I have done over the years, not having a calm mind made me miss this. I will be uploading a quick video on this. Staying calm is very important. Something I did not do in this instant.
@@4xTouring You are absolutely correct. When facing a recovery situation, 'Stop & think'. Stay calm.
Easier to remember this way: When facing a recovery situation, have a coffee. Someone very famous in 4wd Action said this.
So this whole video with no pics or video of the truck you are talking about? ...................
Did you skip the part at 1:18?
And remember, recovery points don’t work unless they are painted red! 😜
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Too many people out there with their 4wd and no experience assume the tie-down points are recovery points. Thus may stem from manufacturers advertising showing their vehicles doing ridiculous stuff on beaches and tracks with no proper off road gear and cover their arses by having a disclaimer that filmed with a professional driver on a closed location.
As a aside, interesting use of the term "skid plate". In Victoria we don't have much sand and drive on rocky tracks in the Vic High Country and call them "bash plates" lol. Probably to prevent our cars from being bashed to bits on massive rocks 😀
Hi Wayne. This past weekend at a local shopping car park saw two fairly well kitted 4x4s, no rated recovery points. Ignorance and lack of proper advice from suppliers.
Skid plate/Bash plate - use as appropriate :D
@@4xTouring 👍 you'd think the sales people would want to sell more of their products. My bullbar fitting place (Ironman) recommend them if driving anywhere off the blacktop.
@@Wdeane1957 It only makes sense to offer more advice. Which leads to more sales.
Okay so I am watching this video. Looking at your front would love to know your headlight protectors are you buying them from Toyota? Seems the ones that I’m getting from Toyota Only last about one year before they break. Do you have the same problem?
I got mine from ebay. Worked out to about A$75 for the pair. That was five years ago. So far so good. I have not had any problems.
@@4xTouring Will try set from eBay next time