Sega on the Nintendo Entertainment System
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- I'm back with another episode of Sega games on non Sega hardware. This time we look at the Nintendo Entertainment System and its Japanese counterpart the Famicom. A slew of companies were involved in bringing these games to the Nintendo platforms, including Tengen, Sunsoft, Asmik and even Takara.
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Episode Notes:
1. This entire episode is captured via emulation. I actually own almost all of these games, but my NES is composite only, and my Famicom is RF. I tried capturing via these sources but they were blurred messes of awfulness.
2. Tengen would go on to publish many Sega Genesis games officially for Sega after these games. They were folded into Time Warner in 1994.
3. The Japanese name of Altered Beast is Juuouki, which means Beast King Chronicle.
4. The Famicom version of Altered Beast has 3 extra stages and 3 new beast forms.
5. I owned all the NES Sega games thanks to their budget pricing. Even new they were $19.99, well under the retail pricing of typical NES games.
6. There is actually another game for the Famicom I should have included in this video called Saiyuki World. It's based on Wonder Boy in Monster Land with lots of story and cosmetic changes.
As a kid, I never knew about the Sega games on the NES. But when I discovered them via emulation, it came as an afterthought to me since supposedly Sega and Nintendo were prime competitors.
Altered Beast on the Famicom is comical. The dragon is kicking the eyeball.
To a 4 year-old kid who only got to play his cousins’ Nintendo, “After Burner” by Tengen was a treat. Thanks for trip down memory lane! Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jeremy. Appreciate the comment.
Daaaaamn. It’s been a hot minute since I heard Phar-Mor. We rented movies and games there. I remember when our local one opened up. We got to know the people in the video dept so well, they gave me the old movie posters. Good times.
Tengen is pronounced with a hard "G" as in "Go". Anytime you see a "G" in Japanese it's a hard sound; what we would pronounce as a soft "G" as in "Giraffe" is always transliterated as a "J". Fun fact: even though Atari was an American company, the name was Japanese, from the exclamation of the winner of a game of Go, like "Checkmate!" is used for chess. The word "Tengen" was used for the software brand as it's another term from Go, the name of the center point on a Go board. Also, Nolan Bushnell's first company after his non-compete clause with Atari expired was called Sente, yet another Go term that translates roughly as "having the initiative" or "playing first".
Damn, I thought Altered Beast was a weird looking game before! Reminds me of Godzillas art style a little. Love it
I'm still surprised that Tengen put Sega arcade classics on the NES
if you're interested, the Video Game Historian (Norman Caruso) did a great video discussing what went down.
Oh, I saw that a while back. Hence the "still" part. But yeah, I for one thought Nintendo got their just desserts there, but the party had to end eventually.
@@jacklazzaro9820 Yeah, it really was a bit of a 'take that' to Nintendo. At the same time, it was successful enough that it changed the industry forever in terms of third party publishing.
I think the fantasy zone port is decent
I remember pharmore. I could rent nes games for like 39 cents when i was a little dude.
Excellent video. I had no idea there were Sega games on the NES until '97 or '98, 'cause none of these games were sold in my country (or at least not where I lived). I used to think Tengen games were completely different from the Famicom versions, but thanks to this video I now know that this is not the case (except for Fantasy Zone). I was actually waiting for your take on this subject, and I was not disappointed. Great work.
Man you are blessing us with a lot of videos lately, thank you! The budget series were nice back in the day, took forever to save up $50 doing yard work /chores for a buck or two
sega games with nes sound fx, love it!
Game Gear's Alien Syndrome is much better than the Master System one.
I'd agree.
There was a rumor going around my town that the expansion slot on the base of the SMS was for an NES converter. Of course there was no truth to this whatsoever, and AFAIK, that slot was never used for anything.
Sega Visions told me to think of it as the console's "belly button" :D
I remember them being released on Tengen carts. I have the Fantasy Zone cart. It's fun.
That Shinobi footage, scooba ninjas, so that's water that you can walk on?
Well yeah. Ninjas use the chakra in their feet to walk on water. Just like in Naruto. lol
Fantasy Zone on the Sega Saturn is by far the best version. Don’t believe me? Check it out on RetroCore via UA-cam.
Oh man, you brought up Pharmor. I used to rent game there for a mere $.99. Good memories. Thanks for the video.
josh crandall dude I used to get their inventory when they were clearing it out I got all my nes and gameboy stuff there I believ
Loving all this content recently, X. Keep up the great work!
To me the master system was the better system. Nes was always the most popular but I hated the flicker on the nes games. Sega fan forever
Glen Galloway I didn't know about mater system until much later but I loved game gear and have since learned how good the master system in Europe and Brazil was compared to the stupid NES
The master system was by far my all time favorite system, with the Saturn a close second. 👍😀
In my opinion the Sega Master System is clearly s more capable system but the NES has a much better software library making it a more desirable console for me. But the NES software library is better due in most part to Nintendo's shady deals with software developers back then which left them stranded. One can only wonder hoe things would've been if great software developers such as Capcom and Konami were allowed to make games for Sega's hardware.
We had the 3D goggles, such amazing 8-bit era technology
Stephen g try out the Wonderboy series brilliant games
"Must it lost a bet or mess with somebody's wife" jajajaja XD
Sega Lord X has a rich life experience I see
A bootleg company called Hummer Team made a port of Sonic 1 for NES called Somari. It featured Mario instead of Sonic for some reason. The company later hacked Sonic back into the game.
I didn't know Shinobi was on NES, would have been wild if Tengen tried to port the Master System version of Sonic the Hedgehog to the NES.
You can't have Altered Beast without _"Wiiiise from you gway!"._ Also, I'm the 700th like, yay for round numbers! Great video as always 😊
Probably would have sounded like "GHOSTBUSTERS!"
never played this while i had the nintendo back in the 80's
Did you say messed with somebody else's wfie?!? Im dead...
Did you there was a official Puyo Puyo snes port. Only released in japan really late in the life cycle of the Super Famicom.
There are several puyo puyo SNES games, fully authorized. They spun out of the Madou Monogatari franchise. The Super Famicom Puyo Puyo 2 came out over here on SNES as Kirby's Avalanche, and added Kirby characters to replace Arle and crew.
The Super Famicom got the really cool Super Nazo Puyo 1 and 2, which, in addition to classic Puyo Puyo, added an RPG-esque quest mode, where you had to complete various Puyo Puyo challenges such as clearing all puyos with one piece or achieving a 5 chain reaction with a set number of pieces. They're pretty great.
Columns also.
@@vasileios6301 Oops my bad! I swiched puyo puyo and collums around.
@@bananonymouslastname5693 While I did know about Kirby's Avalanche. I didn't know about Super Nazo Puyo 1 and 2. Also did you know Kirby's Avalanche was called Kirby's ghost trap in PAL areas. This makes Squishy's text box glitchy because the name Ghost Trap was too long.
Oh wow, I used to love Phar-mor. You could rent a game for 4 days, for like $1. They even rented out Gameboy cartridges. Damn that brings back memories!
That altered beast joke made me spit out my beer bro 🤣🤣🤣 6:40
I was sick one day as a kid, and my dad let me stay home from school & rent a game. I took home Fantasy Zone, I'd seen so many commercials for Master System games, I couldn't believe I got to play them on my NES. The game and its visual design seemed weird to me, same with Shinobi when I got to play it, as though something in the graphics was missing. Like it needed harder outlines or more detail or different colour choices or something. I had figured these headline Master System titles would be on par with Nintendo's NES games, or at least Konami or Capcom's.
But I wound up loving that weird game anyway, it had this odd combination of whimsy & melancholy that wasn't like anything else I'd played. I already loved Shinobi from the arcade game. And Alien Syndrome was really cool too, even though it was simplistic in a lot of ways, it just felt cool and those simple tones for music actually added up to an atmosphere of dread in my mind. I was always kind of bummed Sega never really followed up on it properly.
The Space Harrier port blows me away - even though it runs slowly and has less on screen, that's exactly what it needed. I know some have fond memories of it, but the Master System port was so choppy I found it genuinely unplayable. That first boss seems like the console is having a seizure. Wish we'd gotten the NES one here, at the time I thought the game was the coolest from playing it on my friend's Amiga. I would have been super into it.
Thanks for taking me back to my childhood time and time again.
And thanks for taking the time to watch. :)
You’re a content machine! How are you getting these videos out so quickly? Ha
Sega Lord X could you please do a video on the new game that’s on Kickstarter the game is called Phantom Gear it’s a new game for the Sega Genesis / Mega Drive console i just backed this game and I think it needs more love so it can reach its goal please
What about a video on Sega games on the Amiga or the C64?
On 8 bits microcomputers would be awesome!
Zaxxon!
Zaxxoff!
I played enduro racer on Amstrad.
If we want to talk about SEGA on the first PlayStation: MiniMoni. Shakka to Tambourine! Dapyon!, Puyo Puyo Box, Puyo Puyo Sun 'and' Waku Puyo Dungeon Ketteiban.
Sega published some Puyo Puyo games, but Compile, the developer, got the rights back and put them everywhere Super NES, PS1, Neo Geo Pocket, Game Gear, and pretty much anywhere else they could squeeze them. The Madou Monogatari RPG series that preceded Puyo Puyo and introduced all of the characters was on PC Engine CD among other consoles and japanese computers. Compile is their creator, though, even though Sega gets lumped in due to early arcade publishing.
This is my favorite kind of content
Glad to hear it. :)
Limited arcade ports, but it still amazes me what developers could create with a 6502 processor.
There's one more! Similar to how Wonder Boy was reskinned as Adventure Island, Wonder Boy in Monster Land got reskinned as Sayuuki World for Famicom by Jaleco/NMK, with a Journey to the West theme and setting. While that Famicom release never left Japan, Jaleco made a Sayuuki World 2, then reskinned that with a Native American theme for the North American NES, and called it Whomp 'Em.
Wow, I remember PharMor. As a kid, there was one in my town which had a video rental section filled with a lot of great games, some that weren't even available at my local Blockbuster Video. Titles like Strider, Warsong, Sword of Vermilion, Cyber-Cop, Red Zone and one of my all-time favorites, Phantasy Star 2. Even Shining Force, of which Blockbuster only elected to carry to sequel for some reason.
Yup, my PharMor had a beast rental section for games. Only place I knew that had Turbo CD games for rent. It was awesome.
13:37 Runtime.... Nice LOL
I always thought the Sega games on the NES were done without the permission of both Nintendo and Sega; I knew the games didn't have the Nintendo seal, and I would have thought that Sega would have never officially allowed their IPs to go on the NES. I just thought Tengen (and others) designed the games from scratch to mimic the Sega originals and purveyed them to the NES.
May 18, 2020 1:12 am
Oh man, Phar-Mor, the store that went out of business because they lied about their earnings. I bought Spy Hunter for NES there.
lol I used to go to one in Orlando that was next door to a Service Merchandise - how about that blast from the past?!
He said Outrun wasn't on the Nintendo, but I could have sworn it was.
A clone by Squaresoft called "Rad Racer" was released on it though
@@PartyDude_19 I always felt that if they had used Rad Racer's game engine, they could have made a decent version of Outrun for the NES.
You forgot Saiyuuki World a port of Wonder Boy in Monster World with some changes
Years later I saw “Sonic Mario” most likely a rom hack, but that was well well before rom hacks became mainstream. Just like this... I wonder how that came to be.
Shinobi on the NES was really bad compared to the mastersystem imo.
Not for $20 bucks to a broke ass kid wanting a new NES game in 1989 it wasn't. ;)
THE NINJAS JUMP WHENEVER THEY WANT o_O
@@SegaLordX
$20 was an amazing price back then for shinobi. Here in france mastersystem games were as expensive as NES games, so finding games under €50 was mission impossible.
The other day you spoke about getting games from Japan and how expensive it was, well in France such thing was against the law. You could not go in a shop and buy or order imports. Until the mid 90's it was pretty much a nightmare to get import.
The only way to get them was to order them through some British game magazines.
To this day gaming in Europe is way more expensive than US or JP.
example :
Switch console EU €329($370) US $299
SMS Shinobi is the best SMS game ever.
The gameplay is just outstanding.
You can really butcher flying ninjas in the later levels.
I usually go back a few screens to trigger more ninjas to destroy
There's a romhack of Shinobi NES that fixes the colors, still need to try that
@@christophersavart5589 De 50 à 150 Francs on trouvait des jeux Nes ou Master System 1er prix(d'autant que la SMS se vendait moins que la Nes),20$ = 120Francs into 90's =30€ now(after inflation)
I think some of the Famicom games came out after Sega had abandoned the Master System in Japan. The Mega Drive came out over there on October 29, 1988 and Sega pretty much immediately discontinued the Master System over there, just two Master System games came out after that date in Japan and both were within about 3 months. Meanwhile the Famicom was a juggernaut and the Mega Drive was struggling in its early days. In America, the Tengen games came out during that awkward period where the Master System was starting to lose market share to the NES and the Genesis was just coming out. It made perfect sense to get Sega IP's on the NES, it had the potential to vastly increase the numbers of people playing Sega games, people who may have ended up getting a Genesis (or Master System) down the line and being brought into the Sega console fold.
Also, I always found it funny that the Tengen games involved all three competitors in the market at the time; Nintendo, Sega, and Atari. Atari developed and/or published Sega games on Nintendo's system.
January 30, 2023 2:29 pm
If you want the BEST experience of Fantasy Zone II, play the System 16 remake made by M2. It was even released with improvements on the 3DS.
That is damn sure the best version to play if you want something more modern.
I wonder if sega made awful ports on the nes on purpose. It is also true the master system had more power than the nes, phantasy star was mindblowing back then.
it wasn't sega who made the ports :) watch the video for god's sake :D
You know what’s the best version of Alter Beast is..... The Arcade Version!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍😁😁😁😁😁😁
4:00 GIVE IT UP DRAGOS
i totally forgot about space harrier
Tengen a Atari company ported Sega games on Nintendo system. NEAT!
WOW Fantasy Zone! I have literally gone the past 30 years trying to remember the name of this obscure NES game I rented once way back in 1989 when I first got an NES. I kept looking for it, and looking for it back in the day, but could only really remember the cover art and not the name of the game. I think the video rental place lost their copy of it or something because i never saw it on the shelf again following that one time renting it. One of the first NES games I ever played.
Actually in a huge twist, there does exist sega games on the SNES! Da dun daaaaaaa!
Yeah but puzzle games are easy to port, 8 bit, 16 bit, doesn't matter. OutRun would be damn impressive though.
This has quickly became one of my favorite channels on UA-cam. I really didn't grow up a Sega kid so being able to experience all if this the way you present it has been eye opening. Thanks for the content and I'm looking forward to more in the future.
Also I just had to add the Batman song that you use for your end card to my playlist. It's really damn good!
Appreciate the message and glad to see you like the channel. Thanks. :)
You just keep pumping out awesome videos one after another! This channel is basically my childhood in a nutshell. 😊👍✌️
Thanks man. Good to hear you like what I'm doing.
Can we have all the Sega games on Nintendo Switch?
I want o find a console where I can play [After Burner/G-Lock], [Hang on], [Thunder Blade], [Super Thunder Blade], [Out run].
I remember buying Shinobi for the NES, my first ninja game. only to see that the main character didn't look like a ninja. what's up with his lack of a mask
I never played it because the photos didn't show any ninjas. Actually looks like fun here tho.
Phar-Mor! I used to rent games from the one in Orlando, FL all the time as a kid - their rentals were super cheap!
If only Tengen had been porting those super scalers onto the Jaguar... there was a machine that could've really used them, and would've probably done them justice, judging by games like Super Runabout and Val d'Isere Skiing and Snowboarding.
The NES Alien Syndrome was my favorite version for a long time. It wasn't until the Sega Ages 2500 remake that I liked another port better. I know that version is usually panned, but I love it co-op.
Oh yeah
Especially seeming as Tengen was owned by Atari
@@PartyDude_19 That was actually a different Atari.
On Alien Syndrome, are those prolapsed colons you are shooting at?
I played Alien syndrome and Adventure island on Famiclone.
So basically it's " I can't believe it's not Sega" games" right?
Some pre-Final Fantasy Squaresoft games- 3D WorldRunner and Rad Racer were knock-offs of Sega Arcade hits Space Harrier and OutRun, but they were more original than their arcade sounterparts.
sweet vid
wow, just when I thought I knew it all! Awesome video!
Afterburner was way to easy on sms i could play it for hours, never died stages also repeat after the 1st 30 or so
Big up SLX!
I loved Phar-mor! Used to rent games all the time there. :) And get big bags of candy. Good times.
oy gevalt, space harrier, altered beast, shinobi and afterburner...
@@dougr.8653 fuck off you antisemitic trash
It's interesting what you say about Sega shutting down all their licencing deals when the Mega Drive/Genesis launched. Here in the UK I had an Amiga in the early 90s and many Sega games were ported to it in the early days but I very specifically remember reading in a magazine when the first shots of Sonic started appearing on the MD that an Amiga version was being worked on alongside it, but I never heard any more about it and it obviously never appeared. Would you know whether there was any truth in the suggestion that home computer ports of the game were originally planned or was it totally made up?
Fantasy Zone was good but the NES simply was not powerful enough and cart sizes not large enough to handle most of the others well.
I was impressed with the 2 player Alien Syndrome. I thought it did well in capturing the spirit of the arcade.
Phar-Mor sold games? Damn.
They need to bring back light gun games and add light gun series on Nintendo online
Cheers for mentioning Pharmore dude!
Altered Beast was great on Nes,not only it had 2 extra stages and beasts but the gameplay is fully there,highly enjoyable despite its tiny sprites and surely kills Master System horrible frameskip port.
I need to correct you there SEGA Lord X. I know by other hardware you more than likely mean consoles, but SEGA games were still coming out on the various home computers releases at the time. Actually, during the 90s we also did see SEGA PC games and games for the Super Famicom and Game Boy.
None of Sega's new games/IP's for the Genesis ever left the Genesis during that era for other consoles. The Gameboy games and SNES games you speak of were either old IP's, games Sega did not own directly, or well into Sega's decline. I rarely include micro PC's when I talk in general terms. I have always considered it a different market than consoles entirely.
@@SegaLordX What about games like Columns making its way to Nintendo platforms or even though it's a spin-off and not from the Mega Drive, Sakura Taisen getting a Game Boy Colour game. In fact, Sonic CD (Yeah I know it's from the Mega CD) and Comix Zone making it's way to Windows.
Well Columns is a 1989 arcade game, so it fell in that era where Sega was still licensing stuff out. Heck, it was what, 1999 before the SFC got it? By the time the Gameboy saw Puyo Puyo or Sakura Taisen, Sega was well into the collapse of the company(1999/2000). As for the PC getting games, like I said I always speak in general terms about console gaming. Other markets are far more dynamic and fluid, and is an entirely different conversation.
Don't get me wrong, I get what you are saying. There were Sega games elsewhere, but when it came to consoles after 1989, Sega kept pretty much everything console related to it own stable of products until the company was going down in flames and it turning 3rd party was imminent.
@@SegaLordX I don't remember a time when Sega didn't release or licence games for other platforms. If it did happen it wouldn't have been for very long. For example, Outrun was released for the PC Engine in 1990, Virtua Fighter was released for the PC back in 1995. I'm sure I could find other Sega games released for non-Sega platforms between those two years if I tried.
You'd easily find a ton of Sega's properties outside of the realm of console hardware(specifically PC's).
Outrun was an old IP when it hit the PC Engine. It was released in the arcade in 1986.
For about a decade starting in 1989, Sega did not bring any of its new properties to other consoles in any form. Only when the company began to fall apart in 1998/1999 did it start to allow games on other console/handhelds. You won't find Revenge of Shinobi, Comix Zone, Ecco, any of their sports games, etc, on any other console in that period. After 1989 it was only older stuff that were already licensed out.
Again, another great video!
But the ultimate question remains,were those sunsoft versions licensed by nintendo???
Space harrier on the NES and PC Engine crushes Space Harrier on the SMS and Space Harrier 2 on the Genesis
I used to but 2600 cartridges from Revco. I wonder if Revco still exists.
sega lord played the nes so we dont have to
damn haven't heard the pharmor name mentioned in a long ass time
Putting in work. I love it.
Thought I was the only one who remembered Phar-More
so that's where that shitty version of Shinobi i remember playing as a kid came from, sorry but i remember renting that game one weekend back in the day and it being one of the worst nes games i ever played. lol
just 2 observations:
when someone tells you they like a "more forgiving difficulty" that means they are a scrub who likes easy games.
adventure island wasnt "based on" wonderboy. it was a shameless copy of it.
Love your videos 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I remember Pharmore!
Look at the dif between altered beast on sms compared to nes i think us kids in the states got screwed sms was capable of being the better system, or maybe it just was better
The difference between the NES and SMS in the states really had nothing to do with technical ability. People here flocked to Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Punch Out, and Nintendo's vast arsenal of 3rd party support. Nintendo had forward facing software that no kid wanted to be without. It's marketing was huge, its retail presence absolute, and the poor SMS had zero chance. Sega could have given away the software for it in the states, and Nintendo still would have won easily.
You forgot The Super Shinobi and Golden Axe III... Athough, they are bootlegs.
Wish someone made bootlegs of Phantasy Star 1 and 2.
Do any Sega games happen to be on the Super NES or Super Famicom?
Puyo Puyo 1 and 2. That's all I know of.
@@SgtSega Yeah I though so too. There also was Columns and believe it or not it was released in early 1999 but not in physical format it was for the Nintendo Power service, not the magazine. I find that hard to believe. This might be past my time and I might’ve been living under a rock in the past years but I have a hard time believing Sega titles appeared on other platforms prior to 2001.
@@rockhyde7775 Puyo Puyo also had a game made by Disney with permission from Compile for Timon and Pumba's Bug Drop.
Master system over nes every single time
Yeah but for budget titles, these are alright. Heck if it weren't for these, I never would have experienced them back then. My cousin had em.
The Sega Master System did better in practically all of those games
Not in case of Altered Beast and Alien Syndrome,these 2 play much better on Nes despite the worse graphics.
@@vasileios6301 you are right about Alien Syndrome. It plays much better in the NES, but Altered Beast needs an environment , morbid songs, scary creatures to work. NES kills the game with the small sprites and sounds not fitting the game. The SMS doubtless is slow and choppy, but the environment and music is there, which is crucial for AB...
@@pliniomsann Music and enviroment is also there on NES version and a very happy and unique surprise that it has 2 extra stages and beasts.
Only problem is the tiny sprites compared to all other ports,skip that and you have a great AB port to play.
Vasileios I don’t think the environment is there . It’s too black and doesn’t seem real like the SMS version. Also, the tiny creatures sprites and lack of voices doesn’t help and adding stages makes the game far of the arcade version... something undesirable
What About Atari ? They Had Mario Bros, Double Dragon & some others
Some madman made Sonic 1 on the Atari 2600!
5:11 reminds me of a game hmm anthem especially the dorkly version.
Did you cover this on your first channel?
I did a series of videos talking about Sega's games on other platforms, but never just for the NES/Famicom.
Sega Lord X ah that's why it sounds familiar. Well you have come a long ways since then
Also I got a ton of nes stuff from far more in like 1993 when they were clearing inventory. Games were super cheap and they had some peripherals too. The location in charlottesville closed a few years later and I also got some gaming stuff mostly pc and gameboy before they shut their doors for good
At 9:15 is that boi flippin you off?!
He sure was. I hate that guy.
I thought it was funny at the time since not only was Tengen putting unlicensed games on the NES but also Sega ports...pretty much a double F-U to Nintendo!
Even better was Tengen moved over to Sega after the lawsuit with Nintendo. Didn't last long though.