Hazing is just another way of bullying. As long as it is shrugged off when kids are quite young, it will continue. This type of behavior must be addressed early in a child's life, and bullies must be made to understand that it is wrong.
Colleges and universities need to be held accountable! Fraternities and sororities need to end the practice of hazing. Members who engage in hazing activities need to lose their financial aid and be expelled from college.
My heart goes out to these and all parents who have had to deal with something so heartbreaking. I can't imagine losing a child. I commend them for sharing their stories with other students.
No reason for fraternity’s or Sorority’s. There are plenty of other clubs and groups to join. My child thought about joining one and I said I didn’t think it was a good idea. Never happened and I am so happy for that. One less thing I need to worry about. 😅
Sir. There are lot of great students and talented folks who can’t get a job or work from the bottom. They come from great Universities with work ethics beyond belief. Yet, they are working at jobs on the same level as a dropout or a flunky. Why, they didn’t join a fraternity.
I have a feeling that “I survived my college hazing” isn’t something you need on your resume. Just think, parents spend all that money to send their kid to college and instead of a kid with a degree they get a kid in a coffin!
There is nothing that would ever get me to need to be part of something like a fraternity enough to allow myself to be hazed. Plenty of blame to go around including the young people involved. The young people who died would have done the same to pledges the next year. I know these parents are hurting but their children chose to be part of this.
I'm not from the USA and there is no such thing as 'frat houses' in my country, from the outside it seems like a bunch of annoying and insecure people gathering inside a house to do stupid things. Maybe it's just me but they also seem crowded and uncomfortable in general.
It’s an unfortunate next generation of businessmen usually . America 🇺🇸 is a great country due to the fact we all immigrated here but these are usually the privileged class that were not taught how to work or clean up after themselves. It’s so sad these young men are not taught just to volunteer with friends
No one needs these groups anyway. Don’t get pulled in by their pointless nonsense. So many constructive groups that actually do good productive things for the student and community. Heartfelt sympathy to these loving families, prayers of peace for those lost to these senseless acts 🙏
There is nothing sadder than a preventable death... God Bless these parents. As the Mother of 4 sons, I can't imagine their sorrow... I wish I could just hug away their pain.😔
I never could figure out the purpose of fraternities and sororities. It seems to me like you have enough to worry about in college without that added to it. Maybe they should just get rid of them altogether. Just read the purpose of the fraternity which sounds great but the cons of joining (death isn’t listed...maybe it should be) would be enough to put me off the idea!
SINCE MY SON WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.... I TOLD HIM JUST AIM YOUR OWN GOL AND DO NOT PLEASE OTHERS, THANKS GOD HE GRADUATED FROM USC. NOW HE IS WORKING AND STARTING A PRODUCTIVE LIFE. GO TROJANS!
ive been to many o fraternity party and man is the drinking heavy. i have to say the frat i went to was pretty "responsible" at least as much as could be expected. all freshmen pledges were NOT allowed to drink and would dd the girls/brothers back and forth to the party all night as part of their initiation.get caught drinking thats it you're out. i was close friends with two members who had to do stupid things like sorting sprinkles or running the door, or put on the stfu squad so neighbors didnt complain. meaningless tasks as it should be not drinking until you are dead. my heart weeps for these parents who no longer have their sons. what a shame!
Why do these organizations exist? What unmet emotional needs are frororities addressing that should be met elsewhere? Such a waste of resources and lives.
Don't underestimate the influence of alcohol which is woven into the sub-culture of the Greek societies.Binging with alcohol is as regular as Church Services on the weekends. It doesn't help to be intelligent and young. Immaturity rules! To be under the influence of alcohol and other substances is the accompaniment to be irresponsible for whatever situation might occur. It is the goal. Should anything go wrong while imbibing in poisons (be realistic) then it just happens without much notice. This made the Greeks very unattractive as something to join. Drinking as competition or as a prerequisite to get into a group, to gain membership in a group of individuals who begin with non-caring, disrespectful contests, shows you what you can expect later, but only if you survive. Is it worth that? If you had good experiences then good but a visit to a University will open your eyes.
My husband and I passed on having children. But we've seen enough (friends and family codding, annoyed and bargaining with their frazzled and weary kids at our table - kids that they don't really see from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. M-F). These days, there is no "personal responsibility" because it's not what's taught in the day care centers who chalk draw and blow bubbles and placate with "whatever, it's all ok." I'm a life-long Democrat -- and HRC's "it takes a village" still makes me cringe. It takes a Mother and a Father to raise and nurture a thoughtful, resilient person. The conversation that will never happen (because it's "anti-feminist") is that American Mothers need to return full-time to the work of mothering the children they bring into this world. Despite the proclamations of Oprah, the NYTs, Ellen, marketers and all the Silicon Valley moguls, you really cannot do it all and do any of it well and American children are getting short shrift while mothers "pursue" and "compete" and live their own lives. It's not working for society. Perhaps anthropologists will be writing about this centuries down the road......
If Eyes don't Cry.. You have No Heart. People pressured to JOIN.. AND NOT ONE PERSON CALLED FOR ASSISTANCE. TO JOIN A CLUB? SHAME..SHAME..SHAMEFULL AND THE SONS THAT LET IT HAPPEN
Hazing is just another way of bullying. As long as it is shrugged off when kids are quite young, it will continue. This type of behavior must be addressed early in a child's life, and bullies must be made to understand that it is wrong.
Exactly. They are paying to be bullied and then be a part of the "Bully Club".
Blame their Parents
Colleges and universities need to be held accountable! Fraternities and sororities need to end the practice of hazing. Members who engage in hazing activities need to lose their financial aid and be expelled from college.
My heart goes out to these and all parents who have had to deal with something so heartbreaking. I can't imagine losing a child. I commend them for sharing their stories with other students.
50 years from now people will ask what is a fraternity.
I wish, but, I think they have so much influence and power. Sad.
If only!!
I hope so.
Sociopaths and the rare psychopaths thrive in fraternities that embrace hazing.
I highly doubt that. I wish that were true but they've been around so so long now.
Wasted lives from senseless death.
No reason for fraternity’s or Sorority’s. There are plenty of other clubs and groups to join. My child thought about joining one and I said I didn’t think it was a good idea. Never happened and I am so happy for that. One less thing I need to worry about. 😅
What’s the point of Fraternities and Hazing? Such pointless systems. Go to school, learn, eat, sleep, go get a damn job.
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@@yourturn777 Dumb comment (yours).
Sir. There are lot of great students and talented folks who can’t get a job or work from the bottom. They come from great Universities with work ethics beyond belief. Yet, they are working at jobs on the same level as a dropout or a flunky. Why, they didn’t join a fraternity.
I have a feeling that “I survived my college hazing” isn’t something you need on your resume. Just think, parents spend all that money to send their kid to college and instead of a kid with a degree they get a kid in a coffin!
There is nothing that would ever get me to need to be part of something like a fraternity enough to allow myself to be hazed. Plenty of blame to go around including the young people involved. The young people who died would have done the same to pledges the next year. I know these parents are hurting but their children chose to be part of this.
Rip kids. So sad for the parents.
Get rid of these stupid fraternities.
I'm not from the USA and there is no such thing as 'frat houses' in my country, from the outside it seems like a bunch of annoying and insecure people gathering inside a house to do stupid things.
Maybe it's just me but they also seem crowded and uncomfortable in general.
It’s an unfortunate next generation of businessmen usually . America 🇺🇸 is a great country due to the fact we all immigrated here but these are usually the privileged class that were not taught how to work or clean up after themselves. It’s so sad these young men are not taught just to volunteer with friends
So long as colleges continue to lack acknowledgment of or condemn campus party culture, it will continue to happen, sadly.
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Blame the colleges/universities!!! Hold them accountable!
Ugh, have we learned nothing from the death of Timothy Piazza of Penn State 4 years ago? Absolute disgrace.
No one needs these groups anyway. Don’t get pulled in by their pointless nonsense. So many constructive groups that actually do good productive things for the student and community. Heartfelt sympathy to these loving families, prayers of peace for those lost to these senseless acts 🙏
There is nothing sadder than a preventable death...
God Bless these parents. As the Mother of 4 sons, I can't imagine their sorrow... I wish I could just hug away their pain.😔
A tragedy. Condolences to these 4 parents, and much admiration for all they've stepped up to do.
Fraternities should be abolished. There are many ways of having fun in social clubs.
This insanity needs to stop.
I never could figure out the purpose of fraternities and sororities. It seems to me like you have enough to worry about in college without that added to it. Maybe they should just get rid of them altogether. Just read the purpose of the fraternity which sounds great but the cons of joining (death isn’t listed...maybe it should be) would be enough to put me off the idea!
Horrifying....
SINCE MY SON WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.... I TOLD HIM JUST AIM YOUR OWN GOL AND DO NOT PLEASE OTHERS, THANKS GOD HE GRADUATED FROM USC. NOW HE IS WORKING AND STARTING A PRODUCTIVE LIFE. GO TROJANS!
As a 🇬🇷 it annoys me that these faternities are called Greek or Greek System. 😒
Don't join the Fraternities.
Exactly, anyone accepted to these colleges should be smart enough to figure that out
They need to get rid of all fraternities and sororities!!! They serve no positive purpose!! No purpose at all!!
Just generational bullying!
ive been to many o fraternity party and man is the drinking heavy. i have to say the frat i went to was pretty "responsible" at least as much as could be expected. all freshmen pledges were NOT allowed to drink and would dd the girls/brothers back and forth to the party all night as part of their initiation.get caught drinking thats it you're out. i was close friends with two members who had to do stupid things like sorting sprinkles or running the door, or put on the stfu squad so neighbors didnt complain. meaningless tasks as it should be not drinking until you are dead. my heart weeps for these parents who no longer have their sons. what a shame!
I don't understand why hazing is allowed. This has got to be the most painful event ever in this world. I pray for these families.
So sad
I hope!🙏
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Why is there hazing in the first place though? All these frat guys should be expelled and go to jail.
So why is hazing in fraternities necessary.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazing#Psychology,_sociology,_purpose,_and_effects
How bout we educate about brain science and alcohol
how bout we educate about health? including reproduction options?
NAVY DOES THIS TOO.
Why do these organizations exist? What unmet emotional needs are frororities addressing that should be met elsewhere? Such a waste of resources and lives.
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Don't underestimate the influence of alcohol which is woven into the sub-culture of the Greek societies.Binging with alcohol is as regular as Church Services on the weekends. It doesn't help to be intelligent and young. Immaturity rules! To be under the influence of alcohol and other substances is the accompaniment to be irresponsible for whatever situation might occur. It is the goal. Should anything go wrong while imbibing in poisons (be realistic) then it just happens without much notice. This made the Greeks very unattractive as something to join. Drinking as competition or as a prerequisite to get into a group, to gain membership in a group of individuals who begin with non-caring, disrespectful contests, shows you what you can expect later, but only if you survive. Is it worth that? If you had good experiences then good but a visit to a University will open your eyes.
What happened to personal responsibility? How about you teach your children to respect themselves instead of demanding change.
And responsibility when in power.
My husband and I passed on having children. But we've seen enough (friends and family codding, annoyed and bargaining with their frazzled and weary kids at our table - kids that they don't really see from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. M-F). These days, there is no "personal responsibility" because it's not what's taught in the day care centers who chalk draw and blow bubbles and placate with "whatever, it's all ok." I'm a life-long Democrat -- and HRC's "it takes a village" still makes me cringe. It takes a Mother and a Father to raise and nurture a thoughtful, resilient person. The conversation that will never happen (because it's "anti-feminist") is that American Mothers need to return full-time to the work of mothering the children they bring into this world. Despite the proclamations of Oprah, the NYTs, Ellen, marketers and all the Silicon Valley moguls, you really cannot do it all and do any of it well and American children are getting short shrift while mothers "pursue" and "compete" and live their own lives. It's not working for society. Perhaps anthropologists will be writing about this centuries down the road......
Humans are weird animals.
SO SO sad):
Their in college? Not the smart after all
maybe a duel with guns would be better?
Preventable. Senseless. Idiotic. Please, no not engage in this barbaric behavior.
If Eyes don't Cry..
You have No Heart.
People pressured to JOIN..
AND NOT ONE PERSON CALLED FOR ASSISTANCE.
TO JOIN A CLUB?
SHAME..SHAME..SHAMEFULL
AND THE SONS THAT LET IT HAPPEN
Hazing should be outlawed.
"For their husbands too". Dumb gendered writing. CBS Sunday Morning used to be the gold standard.
Support our society and national unity
#BanHazing
#KeepPledgingSafe
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There's a reason I was a GDI.