Why colleges tolerate fraternities
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2018
- Frats are... fratty. Why do colleges keep them around?
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In this episode of Overrated, Vox’s Phil Edwards explores the history of frats.
The history of fraternities has a lot of ups and downs - and stretches all the way back to America’s founding fathers. Beyond the hazing and beer chugging, there’s a story that includes changes in higher education and even national politics.
So why do colleges keep fraternities on campus? The reason is a web of incentives that make fraternities allies to administrators - despite the negatives they sometimes present.
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Watching this from the living room of my fraternity house seemed pretty ironic.
That's some meta stuff bro. It'd only be more meta if your name was chad lol
@@williamkrause5831 his name is a T2 Frat name so he's equivalent to Brad
Same lol
Can someone tell me what a Fraternity is?
What fraternity are you in?
He calls it binge drinking but I call it networking
mood
Facts tho.
yeah sure networking, i wish can also meet ppl thats got to be hard
Mans def a business student or is in sales😂
Composite picture for profile pictures. Classic Frat move
The perfect distraction from the crippling debt you've got yourself into by going to College/University.
you chose to get into.
@@babylonian5 and choose to distract myself from.
@@babylonian5 In today's day and age, a college education is pretty expected to get into most professions.
you choose to do both 😅
no one forces you to do either one
Except you also pay thousands to be in a frat
Literally no college student cares that much about "nerds"
Jack Wilson fr that’s middle school stuff
@@arlyntobadynot even
We’re legit all nerds.
Nowadays anyway...
To be fair, that movie was from the 60s or 70s, when that was actually a thing that would happen
Watching this as a College student in Europe is so weird...Why do your college students need discipline?! They’re adults!?!
Thank you for bringing common sense here! The campus culture in the US is unhealthy IMO.
We literally have frats that are 10 times worse in the netherlands. Please don’t throw all of europe in one box.
@@sarminder4357 we pay 2000 a year in the netherlands and our frat bros are from high income families. It has literally nothing to do with what you just said.
Jesus Christ nope?
Trust me as a highschooler about to be entering the college world in the US I don't plan to go to parties anytime soon I'm just there to get my teaching degree in english and also make sure I'm there for the sports as well. I really don't need a tier one college but instead a 4 year one within my state that has some good education and such
My older brother was in a Fraternity.
He describes it as a “legal gang”.
Like the police?
@Moon
That's a stupid name for a gang.
@Moon Still pretty silly though
I mean Black lives matter could be considered a gang if they actually looted and burned their own towns but they don't.
@@AaronSaysSKOL
No. The police is a legal militia.
The better question is - Why do football players go to college.
Oh right, colleges need money from games that have nothing to do with education.
Everyone should go to college. Higher education is good. Everyone getting higher education is good for society.
Wouldn't have to in civilized countries where society acknowledges the importance of funding education.
@MoeMuzik So you expect them to cater a perfect experience for each individual person in high school and for every high school to offer courses like university? Educating society isnt just about their field, its also about general knowledge. People knowing more about science generally = a more capable society. People knowing more about English and having the ability to speak properly and coherently = a more capable society. 4 years of high school can't give you a PhD level of knowledge.
shingshongshamalama bulllshit. It’s that kind of mentality that’s leading kids to crippling debt for a degree they don’t want, don’t need, and won’t use. The fact that we don’t emphasize trade schools just as highly as 4 year universities is a major problem. There are so many blue collar jobs that aren’t filled because kids are told there’s something wrong with them. And they end up with a worthless degree working as a bartender.
@@justinkassel4000 (well, debt in the US...) Globally speaking, higher education is not for everyone. Not by their wishes or by society's needs. There are plenty of people who should be encouraged to go study something after high-school, and there are also plenty of people who definitely would have better things to do than sit in mathematics lectures. Education system needs flexibility and free movement between areas, not forcing. Most necessary teaching for being a decent, productive human being can be given in primary education and high school; but in many places those curricula need fixing and refocus on what those important topics to cover are.
Frats can be vary quite a lot. In my town, there's this frat that helps in tree planting activities, cleaning up public parks, and they even do feeding programs for the homeless once or twice a month.
But then there's this other one that hazed two kids to death... and another one that's basically just a group of drunkards.
So yeah, frats can vary by a fuckton.
What happened to the two kids who died during hazing?
@@Hazza4257 Well... they died
Yeah in my country about 5yrs ago 4 cases of hazing on fraternities occured so I asked why is there fraternity. I was surprised to know that some of them help in community cause I always heard Hazing and Death associated with them
Omg is your town in Amsterdam?
Mines all of the above minus the killing
5:00 the answer to the video. You're welcome.
Thank you! Lol
It's not the only reason tho
Gym's Server kinda is actually...
Good bot
Thanks
A fraternity, like any organization, is only as good as its members and its culture. Some "frats" are comprised of toxic men that binge drink and haze, others are comprised of student leaders. I had a really positive experience in my college fraternity, but I understand that's not the case for everyone. Like most issues, there is a lot of nuance that can't be covered in 10 minutes.
Absolutely correct! When I pledged, I made it clear that if there was any hazing at all, no matter how benign, I would walk. And I meant it. That was 40 years ago. My relationships with my brothers is very special. They have literally given their blood for me when I was sick and needed it. We did some partying and drinking, but we kept it under control. Self control and self responsibility is what’s missing today. And I’m not buying the idea that only fraternities behave badly, I saw lots of non-Greeks behaving horribly. And, what no one in college administration wants to acknowledge is that the freedom of association clause of the 1st Amendment protects membership.
Exactly! My friend always said “the proper word is fraternity because frat has a negative connotation.” All of the brothers I know are wonderful people. I have a handful of friends who are brothers that are some of my closest friends and have kept me afloat in some dark times.
@Bobby Fisher people who can't engage in conversation such as by just asking the dude, "define toxic men", don't have an opinion, literally.
Michael Jones this^^^
Nick de windt masculinity is not bad inherently, it's like any behavior, and just like any behavior it can lead to destructive habits when it goes wrong
As an actual Greek, like from the country Greece, this whole culture is so foreign to me and makes absolutely no sense. In my country we just go to university classes and that's it. Any parties are organized independently or by political youth parties.
I never did understand why people say “Greek life” apart from having Greek letters for names there not really anything uniquely Greek to the culture of a frat
@@colbyzur4642 It is because its just a extension of fraternal organizations more broadly which isn't just limited to college and universities. Social fraternities is said to have started in Greece at least, but I find it hard to believe organized groups of people is uniquely Greek anyways
@@colbyzur4642 It is called Greek life precisely because of the Greek letters of the names.
Fraternities are Enlightenment-inspired creations that looked to the principles underlying what we now call "liberal democracy" -- those principles first found resonance and some degree of sustainable implementation in ancient Greece. The early founders of college Fraternities in North America were cognizant that democracy is something that required nurturing -- a pro-human institution focused on trust and common humanity that would form via intimate associations during early adulthood -- that is why they founded their orgs in and around higher education.
They just want to sound old, fancy and full of culture, that's just the best they came up with. No real understanding of Greece and no affiliation whatsoever
me before watching: money
me after watching: still money
Pretty much. Everything is about money, literally everything. I hate it.
Lol, same. I find a lot of videos on UA-cam are like this
I’m in a fraternity, but we’re one of the more diverse fraternities, and we don’t act like the typical movie frat boys. They definitely exist, don’t get me wrong, but there are some that aren’t like that. My fraternity is heavily involved in community service, and it has helped me network and get a high reward internship in the finance world
Sounds like nearly every other frat.
@@walterc5502 its not. You'd be surprised how different frats can be. One may haze you for 8 weeks just to party with them and other may be just getting to know the brothers, values of the fraternity and mandatory study hours and community service
No 2 orgs are the same
@@ElHabsburgHechizado I hear ya. What I meant was the community service, networking and internship are very common in frats.
Thats why he said theyre leaving those academic or ethnic fraternities out.
Nerd
I'm from the UK so fraternity's just seem like the weirdest thing
Fraser Watson it’s basically the same as the Rugby, rowing etc... societies and dining clubs over here that we are part of at uni
Fraternity is weird but having Queen as head of state in 21. century is not.
golatificon not weird at all. In my country we have Kings. And every five years one of the Kings will be elected as the King of Kings.
And people get mad when I say Game of Thrones is basic.
@@boosay568 Malaysia?
We have a much better system in the netherlands with student associations. Yeah you have the elitist associations but there are also open and progressive student associations where you can develop your social skills, network and have fun
Q: why college tolerate frats?
A: to yell at them, money, and to keep students in check
Sounds counter productive
To be less responsible of the crimes perpetrated on its campus
universities receiving money is good. There's a reason only a few universities offer financial aid to international students like me, its because they have money from alumni
This week on frat house drama
bruh bruh OMF
My old babysitter's son was attacked in a hazing. He went from being on the soccer team, being a good student, and other things like that, to someone who has a harder time with most tasks, and faces some mental difficulties. The frat members weren't investigated by the police because his friend wanted to forget it all and an attacker's dad was a police officer.
What was his name?
@@mxsthxted josh
@@bobbygronert5841 Thanks. Is there any news articles or something about him?
@@mxsthxted From what I remember from my babysitter no, not a ton. There was one thing that was done, but I don't remember what she said it was. But she could be wrong.
I live in a college town and I’m all for frats and the like as long as they keep to themselves but every start of the semester it’s like a war zone in town with the frats and sororities.
Garbage, broken beer bottles strewn across the streets, hoards of ppl that just walk in the middle of a busy road because they can’t be bothered to wait for cars to pass or cross at at crosswalk, etc.
You get the idea. Usually things calm down after a few weeks once classes get started but you can party and have fun w/o acting like a bunch of animals.
Edit: because apparently some people can’t read and this needs clarification. I literally don’t care what you do on your own house/apartment/property. Go hog wild, I’m all for a good party. But I’ve never been to a party that was so wild that we’ve thrown the literal trash from our party, into the main road next to our house.
That’s not ‘having a good time’ or ‘partying hard’, that’s you being a jackass. I’m pretty sure everyone at any party would agree. Welcome to reality. Facts don’t care about your ‘feelings’ and I was just pointing out the obvious. But by all means, brag about your self-aggrandize idiocy.
You mean acting like a bunch of humans. Animals don't go to colleges unless their going to be dissected for a course in a program or are a mascot of a team.
@@guardianoffire8814 get deleted kid
Which college
I think that's more a mob mentality than necessarily fraternities, I know a lot of house parties which were not organized through any fraternity or sorority which end up looking the same as you describe - or any major college drinking day like Homecoming, St. Patricks Day etc.. Not saying that it's an acceptable way to act but I don't think that's fair to blame it on "greek life" organizations
Key phrase being "frats and sororities."
This video described the lowest contributing members of a chapter lol.
A Turtle doesn't approve of frats
I'm sure they keep them around because it helps white men get better jobs so they can give money back to the college
@@all_the_bad_news5614 ???
@@all_the_bad_news5614 um, I'm Asian, and half our members are minorities. Heck one of them is half plack half Polynesian. So uh, sorry bub, you are most definitely wrong.
@@wartornforester1868 -👱♂️
This video was definitely made by a Geed
Max Mills what’s a Geed?
LOL. I thought that too.
What's good Max
Sandooo
What a strange world you people live in
"How fraternities got so overrated" *changed* to "Why colleges tolerate fraternities." 😂
Yeah, it did seem pretty unfocused.
@Jim Morrison dude
Why do these people like @Jim Morrison who apparently hate Vox with passion always show up to leave some troll comment? And a lot of times, they seem to be incapable of using correct spelling or grammar.
@@leedoyeon Excuse me! Hey I don't HATE Vox okay? I was just pointing out the small change in title meaning, even the team wasn't sure what to put there.
And what grammar???
@Abhilash Nair Sorry I should've clarified. I was referring to Jim Morrison.
I was a president of a fraternity when I was in college. When I joined my fraternity, we only had 7 members. We were basically a group of guys that drank beer and played video games. I made it my mission to build our fraternity into an example for other fraternities. I was tired of the reputation that shitty fraternities were giving to the greek community as a whole. I was able to grow the fraternity to 44 men who were devoted to being philanthropic, gentlemen to people on campus, and treating women with respect. I would always ruffle feathers when attending greek presidents meetings with the other fraternities, but that was my goal. I want to see douchebag, sexual assault haven fraternities destroyed and respectable fraternities brought back. I never understood the desire to join a frat just to be a drunken ignorant buffoon for your college years. While we certainly had big parties, we made damn sure to have sober brothers watching out for everyone's safety and good time. I just hope that more fraternities learn from these bad examples that are being spotlighted.
Mad respect friend
this is how fraternities should be
Matt Cussen which college
I am happy to see your comment here. There are so many fraternities that are the stereotype from the movies and they give many other ones a bad rep. My fraternity was similar to the one you described that you were a member in. We raised money for charity, had great GPA's (as an organization we would suspend you from parties and social events if you had below a certain gpa) and tried to make our campus a better place. We for sure had our parties and not every brother was a perfect person but as whole we treated women and people in general well.
@@solrac4512 Purdue University
"As former frat members aged into leadership roles, they realized that fraternities gave them somebody to yell at."
This sounds like a self-sustaining structure of power tripping.
i asked a “frat bro” while i was in college about why he’s in a fraternity and if it’s only for partying and drinking. He said it’s for networking and introduces opportunities. He dropped out later that year, another drank too much and skipped class and fell behind.
Moral of the story: you don’t need to be forced to drink a whole bottle of tequila(true story) in one night to have “opportunities”.
joowahn but you can also keep your head straight and get good grades while in a frat. It’s just not as common. Frats select for meatheads, they don’t turn smarties into meatheads.
sounds like a nerd, you're a nerd
Nerd
Speaking of networking, as far as I know Mark Zuckerberg stayed in his dorm for as much as possible, and Bill Gates was in his garage.
If someone in a fraternity refers to themselves as a frat bro, then your experience is probably true lol. That stereotype was embarassing at my college
I think Greek life exploits the human desire to belong and feel wanted.
Exactly. They are almost like socially acceptable gangs
And make money off of it. Frats are companies
Just like cult's.
Fraternities are the raw embodiment of tribalistic groupthink. If you prize your individuality and independence, then Greek life might as well be the fiery pits of collectivistic hell.
I am a bit confused here, what does "Greek life" here mean? , I dont see any similarities between Lifestyle practiced in Greece and Faternaties other than the random greek alphabets being used as name of Frats. Sorry I am not from America
It's no longer faternaties... it's now fandoms, and furries.
Pikapetey Animations What
This just might possibly be the most retarded thing I've read all week
*Fraternities
Pikapetey Animations FATernaties
Except the 'furries' have proven to be way more benign and easy going than a lot of fandoms nowadays. Furries seem to kind of just hang out on their own websites and do their own thing, mostly in a mellow way. Most recent 'fandoms' though seem to be toxic cocktails of things like gamergaters screaming about SJWs and obsessive weirdos harassing actresses
Don't forget how the student body is literally just frat kids running for office.
basically just a popularity contest
Here in weird Europe, in schools we just kinda study and it works out well
There are student organisations though, which is kinda similar to frats.
@@semicollonn at least in my experience, not even remotely. The ones i witnessed essentially only had networking as purpose
we have fraternities in the Netherlands. I'm in one of them, so its not this way for the entirety of Europe
I own a business near the local university and the students in the fraternities are the worst customers. Unbelievably entitled and rude. I’ve actually seen the alumni come back to party with their toddlers in tow. What is scary is these are our future CEO’s and politicians.
Probably a bad fraternity than
Do you that fiction as if it isnt?
This is such an alien concept in UK+Ireland
@JB and Abbey I live in the UK and wtf are Islamic grooming gangs
@JB and Abbey nice try 😂 A for effort
Cats cats islamic grooming?? Ignorant...
Not really. We have sporting social societies at university that in some aspects behave in a very similar way to fraternities.
JB and Abbey LMFAO 😂
Sounds like someone at vox didn’t get a bid :(
Gregory Gwynn beat me to the comment
😂😂😂
Sounds like frats are toxic and this is an important topic to talk about
@@SammyBirdTheGreat important for who? doesn't really affect anyone other than people affiliated with greek life
Ucantseemeverywell important for people who actually care about the wellbeings of other humans
I read the thumbnail as “why farts” and instantly clicked.
Still Seem cultish to me. I dont want anyone telling who my friends should be.
Thats not how it works
I think that kinda depends on what group ur apart of i mean if you want that its up to you
Its not cultish at all. You believe that it's exclusive and the people you're allowed to hang out with are a circle, when instead it opens you up to hang out with them, or use your social skills to talk to anyone and everyone. Try not to be so closed minded Jamesthemaniac
No one ever told me once who my friends should be. There's no rule against being friends with people in other fraternities. I had plenty of friends in several different fraternities. In fact most fraternities get along well with each other, many times they host events together.
Lmao people still believe you can only be friends with people in your fraternity? I have friends in different fraternities, co workers, etc I’m not even that good of friends with everyone in my own. But I still love and respect them like a brother
We don't have these in the UK. It's weird and kind of terrifying from our perspective.
Not too different from Rugby, Lacrosse and those kind of societies at British unis tbh.
actually i think you had those kind, only in uk it's probably more classy. in Indonesia we don't have frats, rather we have student executive organization at every level of uni, start from major, faculty all the way to higher level like institute level or uni level that collaborate with rector or head of department. anywhere there's a mob mentality, there's always a form of social order of sorts.
Mehoo,
Except for communal living, internal hierarchies, inter-fraternity rivalries and a sense of identity. So yeah totally the same.
I don't think frat boys are rebels. They're usually the monied white male elite.
Dude; they're americans; where all the sjw and feminism and internet censorship and internet package all started;
Lost a good friend to hazing they had him strapped to a forest tree for 24hrs I would practice caution joining a frat man
@@Johnny-Lawn 3 comments? tarnishing the memory of a dead person? please be a troll
I’m sorry about that.
One of the best decisions of my life to join, met so many more people than I ever could without it, still good friends to this day. It’s been 30 years since finishing school and watching this made me realize in the last 48 hours I’ve texted with 6 college friends and I’m skiing with 5 life long friends next month. Lots more to say but friends sums it up best
I mean, i have life long friends as well, and they didn't cost me a monthly fee. I guess people will justify anything
@@ShirleyTimple sorry but this is literally the dumbest reason to hate on frats ever. Like you do realize that everyone pays so you can have a place to host events, pay for food, support the national organization so they can organize philanthropy things right? If you and you friends are having a kickback and it’s byob are you “paying” for your friends then? It’s not paying for friends it’s more of a mandatory “Chipping in” so everyone can have fun together
You couldn't do that without your dues?
Weakness.
@@anannoyedpanda5:26 5:35
@@hailtothevicHow about 5:43
When you are Greek and all this Greek life is Greek to you ... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
they mean Ancient Greek I think. not totally sure
+get paid 01
You are a real racist!
There are no real [add any construct one can be a member of]
I'm Greek and it's totally not Greek to me.
Lol
@@rick88261 what is a real Greek lol of someone is born and raised in Greece they're Greek. Every country on this planet particularly first world countries have various people that migrated at some point.
It's amazing how Vox continuously pushes out videos that aim to explain current issues to people, and I'm like "what, what's that?" and then I realise these are mostly US-only things and I've never seen similar systems elsewhere so I've also been spared from their problems. (Non-functional doors, fraternities/sororities in university, voter registration...) :S
I can 100% assure you your country also has bizarre and bad things going on.
@@casperaaron5530 def
@@casperaaron5530 well, duh every country has.
exactly!! so american-centric its like watching a different planet
woah wait, bad doors are everywhere
Fraternity/Sorority life depends on the university and what you make of it! You can spend 4+ years getting drunk or you can utilize greek life on campus to network with other people and surround yourself with potentially good people. There are tons of people i know that use fraternities/ sororities to help them get a fast track into a career/politics while there are others that use the orgs as a drinking club.
My fraternity helped open many job opportunities and has helped me in interviews. That being said many guys in my house treat it as a drinking club. These kids are gonna do it regardless if they’re in a house or not.
All of the Greek life “people” on my campus are not good people to surround yourself with.
@@charliemoll5435 seems like you don’t actually know them
I spent four years getting drunk, but it did open up a lot of opportunities, career wise for me
@TheFinalBoss25 it doesn't always need to be a means to an end aswell. It can just be for fun.
Fraternities in history: use each other to influence politics and create revolutions under the false premise of freedom and equality
Today: yeah dude beer
I can’t breath 💀
I never really understood fraternities and sororities. It's really an american thing. I'm in college and people are just normal friends, like there are the closest friends, friends and colleagues. There's no institution or rules. You can befriend or unfriend whoever you want whenever you want. You can go out with everyone or anyone from college and people will treat you normally.
When I was in college, I was too busy studying to even think about fraternities.
Dude you sounds pretty sick
Here's a cookie. It's not much, but it's worth more than some diplomas.
Sounds like someone had a boring youth
@@Jalerbo somebody that knew how to be a responsible human being, university is not cheap
Too bad your grades weren't good enough to make it into university
My skin crawls every time I hear him say “frat”
and...?
What’s wrong with shortening the terminology? It saves time.
Scholarly Cat “Frat” holds a negative connotation whereas fraternity is a more respected term for addressing the such Greek organizations, and fraternity brothers aren’t oblivious to that disrespect
@@lmaoevan I see. Didn't know such details mattered so much. I'm sure most people who use the shortened term don't mean to offend anyone. Just seems like another aspect of Greek life exclusivity people outside of it generally won't be aware of.
Scholarly Cat I agree, which is unfortunately the issue I have with this video to begin with. Anyone with a fundamental knowledge on the subject should know how to address fraternities (obviously not expected of everyone, but when you make a video about them, the standards are different); so either he came to his conclusion without significant research or is apathetic in how he presents his findings. Neither of which are respectable to me
My dad was in a fraternity and he loved it he made life long friends there
Am I the only one who thought that thumbnail said Why *Farts?*
Damn dyslexia.
Dyslexics Untie!
R Garcia We live in a fraternity...
So once again, turns out money ruins everything. Good to know.
Hello Joey Badass
Pls give me all your money.
+NoiseFeedMusic It takes one to know one.
not all fraternities are rich though... I'd be honored if some retro music fans would check out my acoustic piano & vocal covers of 80s/90s classic songs on my channel. Covers include Sting, Prince, George Michael, Phil Collins, Tom Petty, the GooGoo Dolls, Sarah McClachlan, Billy Joel, Earth Wind & Fire, plus a couple of '010s classics from Bruno Mars and Coldplay. Live acoustic with no autotune. Thanks and peace.
The love of money is the root of all evil
Anyone else read “why farts” 😂
YEP
Love the DU chapter at my school tbh, great guys. I also honestly love frats in general but like someone said in this section which rings very true: its only as good as its members.
Sarah DU is the best frat there is
I'm not sure what school you go to, but they were the best at my school as well. They had high academic standards and no drinking in the house.
Australia doesn’t have fraternities. Is it just a US thing?
surfie007 Yes, just a U.S. thing.
@@danielaayers3449 * They also have them in Canada
There are also some in Germany
Davae Adams Really? I'm studying at Laval University in Canada and I've never heard of any fraternities.
@@yomi001 Not every Canadian university has Greek life whether officially affiliated or not. UBC has the best fraternity or sorority system in Canada. I personally am a brother of a fraternity at a university in the city of Toronto. I don't know how it's like in Laval or the rest of Quebec though.
VOX videos make me an even smarter rapper lol
Not to be confused with a smart raper.
That's oxymoronic
Didn’t expect too see you here
vox is liberal propaganda lmao
Nuh uhnnn
Started with "not all fraternities are the same."
Then ends it with "do fraternities solve problems, or create them?"
The last words are the ones that stick around the longest.
He really didn’t focus on the fact that fraternities start their relationship with you by abusing you.
Not all but in some cases
That's never ever a good sign.
I was in a fraternity in school. Every frat has its bad eggs but there were so many guys in my house who took their studies very seriously and pursued leadership roles in our university. Most of these guys were upperclassmen so the fraternity was a great way to connect incoming freshmen with these upperclassmen who had their priorities straight and could mentor them.
Also, my fraternity is a big national one. The national fraternity has a minimum gpa requirement but we had our own higher one in our chapter. We also had mandatory study halls for underclassmen. Believe or not, there are actually people out there who leverage the fraternity model and network in a positive way. The real challenge for fraternities is making sure they admit quality men into their organizations and not these bad eggs who contribute nothing.
In my junior year, I remember a drunken freshman kid died or killed during a frat party ... remember seeing police helicopters hovering above the campus trying to find him when he was reported missing.
Here in the UK I had an American flatmate ask me to look at her CV and see why she wasn’t getting interviews. I noticed she had put down that she had been a secretary for a sorority. She was shocked when I told her to take it off - a leadership role in a good sorority? But all people here think of is hazing, bigotry and alcoholism. She took it out and got the jobs she’d been applying to.
Definitely got no bids during rush
how fortnite got so overrated
Fratnight
Forknife
FiteNite
Fraternite
FoogleNert
I like how these videos are set up like an academic journal; intro, method, results, conclusion and discussion leading to new research questions. What they sometimes are missing, however, is critiquing their source, which of course makes for less fun but more accurate essays.
I joined Pi Kap my first semester on an actual college campus. Arguably the best decision of my life; we have an actual philanthropy that we cater to, have had the highest GPA on campus at 3.1 (2.7 is the minimum for PKP), and I was never hazed going through the initiation process.
Don’t hate something you don’t understand.
Zach Hill Do you think a 3.1 GPA is good?
Mittens bruh in college it is, especially because it is way harder to maintain a higher gpa in college than in high school
yeah i’m nearing the end of pinning and the “hazing” process has been charity work and craftsmanship as well as hanging with the boys, nothing about fraternities is displayed correctly by the media
ODH brother
Fraternities: We are not as bad as people say we are
COVID-19: I am about to end this man's whole career right now
There's something weird and desperate about a bunch of people wanting to be a part of an exclusive friendship club with no prior experience of your 'like mindedness' or whatever. How could you be so pumped to join a friend club with people you don't even know? It just sounds creepy and desperate...
well i mean it's like going to a school where you don't know anyone you have to make friends somehow and sometimes the best way to make a lot friends fast is by joining these groups.
You wouldn’t understand unless you through it
Insecurities! Look among your friends to find your enemies!
After having my first year of college ruined by 2020, I AM desperate for friends. That’s the entire reason I’m looking to join one.
U meet them pre rush and during rush. You visit all the houses ur interested in and see which ones u like
Not like it was posted 8 seconds ago and i watched the video 100%
I dig you screen name~!
Captain Beefhart~!
Lol for me it was posted tomorrow and I already saw it 10 times.
I don't get how Americans are able to drink and party so much, yet keep up with their college work and pass the course. Is American college easier to where they are able to frequently be drunk instead of studying and still pass?
Depends on the major bu a lot of majors are jokes
A lot of these people fail out or have to take an extra year of courses
Usually STEM students are the ones who study hard
Ofcourse, money. Who didn’t know that 😂
Fraternities to me feel like cults
Why would I pay money to hangout with people I may not even like when I can hangout with people I know I like for free?
Jacob Lerg nobody said you had to
Don't look at my picture People fail to realize that the dues you pay when joining a fraternity aren’t paying for specific people to like you but rather everything the fraternity does with Formal events, Social gatherings, memorabilia, rent for the fraternity house, and to do other fun things. You wouldn’t have gotten an invitation to join the fraternity if the people didn’t already like you. You already pay thousands of dollars to attend a University where you make friends along the way doing it with a fraternity isn’t that much different than joining a club.
Jacob Lerg If you want to party, joining a frat is the best way to do so. You don’t have to like everyone in your frat, no one does. People get kicked out all the time.
Dues are basically like paying for alcohol, food and parties, in advance. I know that my fraternity was super chill about the dues and had payment plans to help
Once you’re in the working (real) world, you’ll start paying crazy amounts of money to attend social events. Paying fees is like paying all that money upfront.
someone didnt get a bid
People who don’t watch the whole video 🤦🏾♀️
--video frat expectations vs reality
Expectation: Hey guys lets drink 200 cans of beer and beat pledges
Reality: heys guys who wants pizza (50 people on group chat) pizza!!!!!!!
in my frat it goes like this:
“boys we’ve got a study sesh tonight with some alumni”
*no one answers*
“....there’s gonna be some pizza”
*whole frat appears faster than the speed of light*
Frizzle So true
pizza sounds fun lol
Frats are perfect for people who can't make friends so they have to buy them
CGagnon5 do you pay money to hang out with your friends at the movies? You pay for for friends too then. You pay for the programming activities. Quit using an asinine argument. It's dated
that was the dumbest thing I have ever read. I am not forced to pay monthly dues in order to hang out with my friends
If you made friends in college then you technically paid for your friends.
@@Bigbobbymack75 You don't pay for college to make friends, you pay for college for an education and make friends along the way. You pay frat dues for the sole purpose of having friends.
CGagnon5 you’re argument doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Many people who join fraternities were also very popular in high school
Nobody talks about fraternities being some of the first places that many guys are able to truly open themselves up to other guys, showing their vulnerabilities. And really having a group of guys that have your back and are there for you when you are down. Especially in a world where many see it as weak of a man to show emotions, that is the true meaning of brotherhood
couldnt have said it better myself
If you weren't able to develop meaningful friendships like that in middle school or high school, I legitimately feel for you. I just don't understand why the organized structure of the fraternity enables certain people to finally feel like it's OK to make themselves emotionally vulnerable. It's sort of like the organized religion vs spirituality thing for me, I don't see why one should automatically be interlinked with the other.
imagine friendship
too bad they have to ruin it by doing "pranks" "haze'
Well that is because of the strict and conservative upbringing in the U.S. But you still do not need a fraternity, you only need the ONE actual friend who is properly wired for this, and you can find in anywhere in your class, not in your frathouse.
The phenomenon of fraternity is analysed in the bestseller "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion", chapter 2: Commitment & Consistency.
I was in a sorority at a small college. No hazing whatsoever. In fact, it was vital to my development in college. Required study time with sisters helped me maintain a good GPA. In fact, all of Greek life kept a higher GPA than that of the general student population. Greeks are still leaders on my campus to this day.
I transferred after freshmen year from a college with greek life to a college that was vehemently anti greek life , frats and sororities were strictly forbidden.
I honestly really appreciated it, there was still a party vibe and culture but the relationships I formed felt much more organic across the board with classmates
This guy definitely didn’t get a bid
It’s so that the dean can help them grow and then at the end of the movie say I knew you could do it
I see lots of comments claiming it to be such an american thing. But here in Germany the history, the tradition and the ascpect and overall unity of fraternities (Studentenverbindung) are much bigger but interestingly lesser known for the normal German citizens.
I feel like it's a completely different thing though. Except for the disgusting amounts of drinking, that's the same.
I once had a housemate from Germany. He told me the German frats have sword duels as a tradition.
+AudreyburntheHep
German fraternities work different and have completely different traditions. They originated as political clubs of students in the 1800s and played a role in the development of the idea of a unified Germany and the 1848 revolution.
They are still a lot more traditional than the American version of the fraternities.
+keeponrockin
That really depends on the fraternity, and the drinking as well happens in a different "setting".
+Jonathan Tan
That's true, it's called Mensur. It is more symbolic than an actual duel like in the olympics, however also controversial since there often are small injuries in the face, and it was banned for a while as well.
Now many made it voluntarily or completely abandoned it, a big part still requires the duel for a new member though.
Glad to hear they’re overrated, when legally blonde came out going to an American college and being in a sorority looked like the most fun ever! 💁🏼♀️
Big fan Katie 👌
They're not overrated, my Greek life experience was the most important part of my college experience besides my education. None of my athletic or curricular bonds can compare. Being broken together and building through it builds character, Phil is very wrong here.
Ashkan Then you only speak for yourself. Remember, not everyone STAYS in Greek Life.
"vox is not a good source" - poppy harlow
Cults do the same kind of bs to build bonds and make hapless loons willing participants in their will to control or influence other peoples' lives. Only a fool is absolutely loyal to a group or club above all else; except in circumstances where nobody is in absolute control, everyone is checked by multiple others, and the entire group is loyal to the betterment of everyone around them without forcing or coercing anyone into anything. All aspects of supposed goals and missions need to be verifiable; a promise or assertive back questioning that sounds like "How dare you not believe me?" is a giant red flag. What better way to make hell on Earth that looks like it's not your fault but some how you're the good guy fighting to make improvements; which inevitably make things worse? And that's if you're not openly told it's your duty to cause havoc and terror. As in common street gangs.
As someone that's not from the US fraternities kinda sound like an absolute nightmare. Also why do students would need to be disciplined? This is college, not high school, you don't need people enforcing rules to take care of yourself.
1:10 what is the name of this music? Thanks for the big help.
The one frat party I went to made you learn about the pillars of consent before they let you go in, but they left out the one that neither party can be intoxicated for the consent to be legit. Hmmm frat bois...hmmm.
Does this guy actually know anything about real fraternities? You're literally pointing to decades-old satire of Greek life and asking inane questions like "You see scenes like these and wonder why deans keep fraternities around." Mate you're showing a scene from animal house where they're bringing a horse into the dean's office. That's just as unreal now as it was in 1978.
You spent about 45 seconds on the real problems that modern fraternities face and zero seconds on the real benefits that modern fraternities lead to. Clips from Animal House are not substantive criticism of frats and the words "lifelong friendships" and some primarily critical mentions of alumni donations are not a complete list of the benefits provided by fraternities.
@Galaxy Guy oh ok thanks for clearing that up with that well reasoned argument. I guess he's just wrong about everything he said. Is he wrong about them showing animal house because I'm 99.9% sure I saw animal house clips in there. Maybe I need glasses.
@Galaxy Guy nah actually it turns out they definitely did show animal house clips and the rest is just OPs opinion so it can't be wrong. I guess that makes your original comment... wrong
@Galaxy Guy I didn't say facts were wrong. I said your comment was wrong. Your comment said wrong, opinions can't be wrong, and the animal house part is right. That makes OPs comment not wrong which makes your comment wrong.
Listen to this dip. You are the male patriarchy bro. Probably white. Trying to explain away your priveledge.
So you or none of your friends while drinking never "partied" with women? None of your frat mates ever took advantage of these drunken women.
This is how white male priveledge is excused away.
+Charlie O
Im in College and I see huge problems of Greek life. They are literally class bubbles. The purpose of college is to branch out and challenge your views and perceptions. It is really hard to do this if you are part of an organization that has a HUGE financial barrier to entry. Most Frats/Sororities are echo chambers for affluent, Suburban, White kids. It makes it really hard for people in these organizations learn anything about other walks of life.
Someone didn’t get a bid
This video didn't explicitly mention that frats and sororities are clubs for the wealthy and connected. Essentially, the reason why they are able to donate so much while creating a lot of problems for the school. Wealthy connected kids usually know that if they do anything wrong they will have safety nets of protection and are usually not disciplined because they are raised by nannies and maids.
“But sir, Delta Tau Chi has a long tradition of existence both to its members and the community at large.”
I think the main thing that keeps frats on campus beside donations is they can make them go to their university events. These university events make the school look good the more participation there is.
I went to a school where a sizable percentage of the students were in a fraternity or sorority. I honestly felt like their only purpose was to enhance the college experience for a select few, while the students who didn't want to join or couldn't afford to join were completely left behind. The frat parties were the stereotypical binge-drinking, throwing stuff into the lake, destroying property fests. I found the fact that we needed a special separate fraternity/sorority just for people of color to be included to be completely disheartening, and as someone who couldn't afford to pay the membership fees, I felt like it was just one more way for people with money to have an advantage at getting ahead in school and the job market (and it was). The school also built some really nice sorority party houses (literally all they were going to be used for) while I was there. I'm not sure if the sororities funded them or if the school did, but again, as someone who was just barely getting by financially, I was frustrated that the school put so much effort into supporting Greek life while I had to practically beg to be included in ANY opportunities for networking and to have access to more than the basic resources; and this was from a private school that continuously advertised that they had more opportunities for students than a public college. It was a complete joke.
Many fraternities in my school aren't like the ones in movies. Sure we have the usual party goers and undeclared beer-pongers, but many of our frats are generally diverse, inclusive, and beneficial. Business frats are known to host parties for the sake of networking, such as connecting students to Big 4 companies, internships, etc. Others are heavily involved in community service, philanthrophy, and genuinely care about their community. I would say the beneficial fraternities are the major-themed ones. But the greek-themed ones, well I guess they have their place in school. Just not in academics.
I think a good question instead is, why do we tolerate vox still?
Because unlike the weenies that work at Vox we can handle the existence of people different then us
@@uraniumrock8381 THANK YOU for pointing that out! That is likely the most important distinction between Right and Left political sides. Tolerance vs. intolerance.
@@Matthew-Anthony lmfao the right are the most intolerant people on earth. Just because left people dont put up with the intolerance from the right doesnt make the left intolerant
@@uraniumrock8381 Yawn. So many complaints about Vox...why dont you all just leave or make your own videos?
@@quantumwitcher9376 you don't think its worth note that everyone in the media strongly appears to have the same point of view and a similar background?
Why do American universities even need fraternities?
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Most universities keep them around because of the donations from the alumni.
JAMES WHITELEY ... Watch the video dipshit
That’s literally the point of the video.
Lmao did you write the comment and just dip out without watching the video??
another excellent historical analysis by Vox. Thank you for making these videos!!
2:45 There was once a time when college student bodies consisted of those old-timey villains who would tie women to railroad tracks.
4:30 Barney Stinson’s “Chain of Screaming” LOL
Mentioning multicultural and ehtnic fraternities and sororities is very important. For students of color at traditionally white institutions, Greek life is often very intimidating or outright unwelcoming. And this extends to the university as a whole. But these specific fraternities offer students of color the opportunity to find their own group on campus, network, and gives them a reason to stay. Which the administrations like because it makes them seem more diverse and keeps money on campus.
There are good frats and bad frats no matter what you think. A fraternity is what you make it to be
Well in my country fraternities are about rich kids/former nobility cutting each other with sabers and far-right networking. Can't decide which type of fraternity is worse
There's a lot that this video is missing. For one, hazing came as a result of young men returning from WW1 and WW2. Hazing was never a part of the Greek system. If you went through boot camp, you were likely hazed. If you came back from the war and were looking for a community of men with the same values as you, a fraternity was the perfect fit. Those men then brought in those same traditions and it spiraled out of control to what we see today. I was a part of a group in college trying to thwart those useless traditions.
Hazing is commonly confused with ritual for those who haven't been a part of it. Ritual is just the initiation ceremony that welcomes members into the fraternity. To go through a ritual is to be taken through a series of actions using metaphorical items. None of my friends in other organizations have EVER been harmed going through rituals.
From their foundation, Fraternities were meant to enhance the college experience. We just took it too far and have some work to do.
Gavin Bonar great comment, 90% of these people have no idea what they are talking about since they have never been apart of a Greek Org.
Actually it started with the Civil War.
Listen to this dip. You are the male patriarchy bro. Probably white. Trying to explain away your priveledge.
So you or none of your friends while drinking never "partied" with women? None of your frat mates ever took advantage of these drunken women.
This is how white male priveledge is excused away.
I'm currently attending the college from animal house that's depicted in a lot of this video. I feel like they could have discussed a lot more of the unfortunate effects of fraternities and the weight of the post college money power of fraternity alumni. We see not only elevated occurrences of rape and sexual assault in these organizations but also rampant somewhat unapologetic homophobia and misogyny, STI transmission, upholding of class divisions, drug use, etc. The racism, sexism, and homophobia isn't just happening in the fraternities the rest of the campus feels it when frats engage in this behavior and receive little or no backlash from administrators and their own institutions. A student dies almost every other year when they go on their trips to Lake Shasta, and cultural centers have trouble booking houses for retreats because fraternities regularly rent homes to have raucous parties in that cause a lot of damage and noise complaints so racial justice organizations have difficulty doing their work preparing for the next year. There's also the regulation of gender norms and expression, dress codes, makeup standards, shaming members for having sex with (particularly female) partners their peers have deemed unattractive or unworthy of sexual attention or even not having enough sex with the implication being that they're gay. It would be really interesting to explore the lasting affects of these behaviors on individuals and the way other institutions function. I like that theirs some focus on this subject but I feel like there's still more to be said.
thats a deep view into this culture woah
At the uni campus I grew up on there was a very problematic fraternity. People were severely injured because of their party antics and one woman fell out of a second story window and broke lots of bones and was nearly paralyzed. I know lots of people with positive frat experiences but they've always had a bad rep to me...
Fraternities were outright banned in my school and several others I think after someone was killed in my school through fraternal hazing. But only after pressure from students and the family suing the dean of that college.