BEFORE YOU COMMENT: Watch the video first. If you don't then some of you will be repeating either the stupid establishment narrative or the equally stupid hate all immigrants narrative. Anyone posting stuff that's likely to get the video flagged will get barred from commenting any of my vids. Keep it balanced, keep it cool. Cheers. [UPDATE in response to replies] 1) I don't believe in the left vs right political model so there's no point trying to discuss that with me - that's an over-simplistic verbal trap of artificial division. I stopped thinking in those terms over a decade ago. 2) There are dozens of contributory elements to the recent UK riots explored in the video. If you're just here to post over-simplistic, single cause, only one group to blame, rhetoric already doing the rounds from either side of the "debate" then you either haven't watched the video or aren't particularly interested in anything more complex than newspaper headlines. But you are still free to go express those thoughts on your own channels or in other comment sections on the topic of the riots. 3) The reason I don't typically post political vids is because I find the over-simplistic and tribalistic language patterns (of party politics especially) incredibly predictable and boring. I'm only making an exception with this video because the coverage near enough across the board, both media discussion AND online chatter, has overlooked so many factors (factors I've tried to outline in this vid).
You seem to value being seen as "balanced" and you like to think of yourself as this measured middleground guy. Have you ever thought about who dictates this middle ground? In a political landscape where both democrats and conservatives have slid so far off to the left, anything slightly to the right of this perceived political playing field is seen "extreme". In your bid to position yourself in "the middle" you're actually still firmly wedged inside a matrix. you're only as reasonable as the cattle crush your overlords have cattle prodded you into. You believe you might be a dissident, but they funnel you right back in. You not allowing comments that fall outside of the norm, you are a peon of the regime.
@robag555 Hi Rob, I don't know about Film-making, but I do know about History & Philosophy, including Political Philosophy & Ethics. I don't know why my comments have been deleted, as I have done nothing but add context to some statements that from my perspective were unnecesarily & unhelpfully oversimplified. Please advise the parameters within which commentary is acceptable to you on your channel so that I can judge how to deliver any or whether they are too restrictive to be able to do so.
Hi Rob. What does keep it balanced mean? How do you keep it cool on such an topic? Like how do you manage to come to a firm stand point if you're worried about "keeping it cool?" This isn't something like keeping track of how much water you're giving your house plants.
Thanks Rob. I've been looking at alot of recent events, not just the riots, through the lens of Festinger and cognitive dissonance. Appreciate your thoughts.
@@svenstreams I don't buy into the over-simplistic and innacurate left vs right political model in the first place, so don't consider myself to be in the middle of that either. That's you buying into the matrix. If that's a problem for you then this video isn't for you :)
@@richtea615 For every crime committed by a racial outsider (of which there have been a bazillion), they have amnesia. When a native commits a crime, they never forget.
Just look at how hard our media over here “across the pond” is trying to bury or hide the Trump event that happened only a few weeks ago. You’re spot on.
Yeah, BBC both encourages them towards hate and dismisses them as hateful at the same time. Like how this Arab security guard stopped a white person from stabbing someone only for the papers to have his face with the title of stabbing attack.
You must live in a different Germany than I do. In the Germany where I live, even newspapers that were once considered left nowadays simply repeat right-wing narratives without even fact-checking them. We also live in a country where a major party created camps for people that aren't wanted here and calls them "ANKER" (anchor) where the "R" in anchor stands for "return". So the name of these camps is in itself a cruel joke that sounds very similar to how things were named between 33 to 45. These camps were created to have "hot spots" in major cities with larger immigrant populations so every time the so-called "Christian union" CSU could just pull "immigrant violence" out of the hat to mobilize the voter base. We're also living in a country where the far left seems to be free to make nonsense antisemitic claims about the Israel-Palestine conflict (that's been dragging on for as long as I can remember). A lot of things can be said today in Germany that were once considered taboo even under Helmut Kohl. So, no, right-wing is today much more mainstream than it was back in the 80's and 90's. No more campaigns like "my friend is a foreigner" by the German Bundesliga, etc.
@@MrSeedi76 I think your way of presenting this proves the OP right. What you call "repeating right-wing narratives" is actually regular and common sense perspectives that German politics and media have simply ignored since the 2010s. The "ANKER camps" you claim for "people who aren't wanted here" (btw part of BAMF - the government office to bring thousands and thousands of immigrants into the country) is a very weak attempt at doing the reasonable thing - namely returning illegal immigrants and dangerous criminals to the countries they came from. There are countless exampless of people comitting crimes I cannot mantion on UA-cam, who were NOT even considered being sent out of the country - and if there had been camps BEFORE immigration in the first place, Germany and Europe wouldn't have the problems they are having now. You are (like many Germans) allergic to the term "camp" and you play that like a card in a game in order to make the reasonable concept seem somehow indecent. Your way of presenting immigrant violence as a trick by the not-really-so-conservative-anymore party is EXACTLY the dishonest and ignorant attitude that led to the UK riots. What you consider "once taboo even under Helmut Kohl" would be very interesting to hear. Please give some examples from official media. I am pretty sure that the "taboos" you think of were created in recent years by the zeitgeist - and depending on your age, you are not even aware of that or consciously trying to gaslight with your statement. The campaigns of identity politics in German media, corporations, cultural institutions and sports are ENDLESS. So really none of your points really makes sense. But feel free to prove me wrong with concrete examples!
As a defense attorney in the US I've been shocked by the few headlines i HAVE seen which indicate rioters are convicted and sentenced within 48 hours of their arrest! How can you put on a defense in 48 hours??
Isnt that what they always do. 1st Responce is "Its not all" "has nothing to do with Islam" "its a isolated case" ect. Or they dont report on it at all. Like here. Those that read international EU Papers like the Compact for Migration Packt. Know this replacement of population is EU Planing and Lingo. These "distortions" of the status are planed and welcomed. They want crisis. If the guy had kille 3000 Kids they would still tell us "stfu raceists"
Its crazy isn't it, the sentences. Almost dystopic. Years in prison for stealing sausage rolls and stuff. It's also worth noting that non violent just stop oil protestors got 5 years in prison a few weeks ago too. Depressing to see how many people are celebrating that because they don't like just stop oil. I don't like Just stop oil either but 5 years in prison is absolutely dystopic
No, not trumped up nor sham trials. Just coming down hard because they want to stop any of it going too far. It is absolutely standard practice for a governing power.
Especially in the US with all the sensationalist headlines. It seems that the folks in the US have already made up their minds that a civil war has occurred in the UK... It hasn't. The George Floyd riots made these UK riots look like a stroll in the park on a sunny afternoon.
Becaus they Bann every politicial right Reporting Internet Banning has been going on for 10 Years now. Ofc you wont get real info. If houses are raided when people just report what they saw/ filmed
How anyone tunes into the “news” and thinks they’re being informed is beyond me, my grandparents and my parents are from the generation where they grew up watching tv and think everything on the news is real.
They use a brilliant slight of hand trick called omittion. Once u see it you cant unsee it. They just present a big slop in z bowl and that's wot you getting. Surprised rob didnt mention Hillsborough. That was 100% lies and corruption covering for incompetent police chiefs. Now we got EDL and right wing networks travelling in from various parts of the country.
I think there is a lot of value in the mainstream news, for example I think channel 4 news is very good in terms of its reporting. However, you need to be able to put it into context when watching and understand its biases and the things it will never talk about. As long as you can do that, you can engage with mainstream news and take value from it. It requires some 'active listening' rather than just accepting what it being said, of course. Turning wholesale away from mainstream news often leads to people becoming overly cynical to the point they end up essentially being naively contrarion and will write off anything reported in mainstream news without any consideration.
My wife is from Liverpool and her family now lives in Southport. She was obviously devastated by this. There was a moment we thought her nephew could have been attacked. It's similarly upset her how the media seems to have forgotten about the stabbing victims and addressing the cause of the attack. The idea that the riots were due to outside agitators, or that protesters or even rioters were EDL members, has been patently absurd to us, but it's eaten up by people in the south who see anyone from Liverpool or Merseyside as a chav or "thug." She's basically been saying all the same things as you, Rob.
I come from Bristol and it's bizarre to see how easily manipulated into double standards and hypocrisy the so-called 'alternative' or 'counterculture' people seem to be. I can only suppose they believe they've arrived at being 'open minded' and can put their feet up now that they're so much humbler than everyone else. I'm sure it makes them more susceptible and I believe I recognise it well because I was like that some years ago too to some extent, sadly.
The fact that the UK government is imprisoning its citizens for expressing and sharing opinions online bothers me. And I would hate for that to become normal in the US.
Many years back there was a poll showing that most BNP members were ex-Labour Party supporters. Report was briefly available then disappeared from the net. Just shows the left right model of politics is misleading to begin with.
@@robag555 the MPs exist as a class on their own, it is difficult to not disappointed by either side, especially the one that is supposed to stand with the workers
@@robag555 I used to support the BNP, but I eventually came to realise that electoral politics is theatre. There are no political solutions, because the problem is ideological and spans countless generations. It all goes back to Christian ethics and the doctrine of soul equality. That is the progenitor of all egalitarian thought. The Austrian painter is the only man who has ever attempted to transvalue Christian values, and he is the most vilified individual to have ever lived. That tells you everything. You should read _Dominion_ by Tom Holland. He exposes Christ-insanity as the source of the rot, yet even he is still incapable of transcending Christian ethics, as he cheerfully rejects the alternative paradigm offered by the Austrian painter.
What determines if someone is “Right wing” vs. “far right wing” vs “Super duper extreme far right” Because it seems like it’s just a media dog whistle to say “these are the baddies, it’s ok to hate these guys!”
That is exactly what it is. And the problem with picking a side - left or right. Is that you find people ignoring the glaring problems with media doing this. Eg. Corbyn. The media lied through their teeth about him.. and people who are anti corbyn ignored the lies. Or at least didn’t care that much. And now with patriotic protests the media lies through their teeth and the left ignore it. Or care very little about the lies because it backs their side up. We are f****** until people see this.
Whilst I agree that the term is over used to the point of meaninglessness, doesn't 'right wing' generally become 'far right' at the point where it begins to encompass acts of street violence?
@@trevfindleyNo, the term is used even more for non-violent rhetoric than, say, rioters. There really is no "right wing" anymore. If you are classified as a dissident by the current progressive imperial religion, you are automatically "far right".
A right winger will ask, “what is a woman?” A far right-winger will answer, “A woman is government property.” A super duper far right-winger will answer, “A woman is my property.”
Thank you for sharing. There was a riot in Dublin in November 2023. It took place near O'Connell Street and the River Liffey. They closed the footbridges to City Centre. The rioters were mainly framed as being unsophisticated low-income sorts enraged by an attack on children committed by a non-Irish immigrant. However, my viewpoint is that this riot might be a symptom of a much bigger problem in Ireland. And should be addressed directly and promptly and not swept under the rug. Signed a concerned Irish citizen.
Aye, the mich bigger problem is bigotry being allowed to run rampant in society and social media, indoctrinating youths into believing it's okay to circumvent the Democratic process by burning busses and threatening minority groups with violence and rhetoric. Whether thats sophisticated or not does matter, the point is you are the broader problem there's not being addressed.
There was an incident in Leicester Square on Monday involving a woman and her 10 yo daughter. It was not covered AT ALL in Tuesday's Metro newspaper (in Glasgow anyway). The headline was about a bin men strike. Nothing to see here, move along.
This is 100% an economic issue. We have had trillions spent on endless war and a banking crisis, and working class and middle class people footed the bill. Austerity measures, followed by Ukraine, followed by utility bills (privatised and the profits offshored) going through the roof, finally a cost of living crisis. This has created a deep simmering resentment and anger that is easy for racists to deliberately wind up. The pressure cooker environment of just surviving in this country is ridiculous and it was always going to go off in the worst possible way. In fact I’m surprised things didn’t get much worse.
I never even heard of the Kriss Donald murder before. The double standard when you consider how constant the coverage even to this day of certain race crimes when the roles are reversed is what makes people so incensed.
I don't think you mentioned it, but the constant stream of hundreds of new arrivals being shipped in every single day and put up in four star hotels really gets the natives worked up too, on top of what you mentioned. It certainly feels like it's all being orchestrated on purpose for whatever reason.
5:55 you are a bit wrong here. When referring to pakistanis, Bangledeshis, Indians, and Srilankans, you would refer to them as South Asian. They are not Middle Eastern. Thai, Cambodian, and Phillipino are East Asian.
We had a similar story to the Chris Donaldson one in Fullerton, CA, in the US. Before ANY of the other police brutality stories, before Treyvon Martin, Kelly Thomas was beaten to death for 10 minutes by police who provoked the confrontation, and it was all caught on video but the refused to release to video for months. My leftists/communist associates we shocked how little their leaders and activists cared. It was only the libertarian RIGHT that reported on and covered the developments. Why? Because Kelly Thomas was white, and Democrats only care about race conflict. We protested every weekend FOR A YEAR in front of city hall and had art shows and concerts and plays, and it got less than five minutes of national news coverage on one channel.
"Ethnic nationalism" is redundant, "civic nationalism" is an oxymoron; this is the etymology of the word "nation": c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe..." England is called England because it's the land of the Angles, Scotland is the land of the Scots, Finland is the land of the Finns, etc. The attempt to replace nation-states with mass-migrated, deracinated, multicultural (really, cultureless) purely economic zones is responsible for the chaos.
"England is called England because it's the land of the Angles" But it's *never* been made purely up of Angles, but has been a mix and interbreeding beteeen many ethnic groups, including the Jutes, Saxons, celts etc.
@@Ballardian I agree with the premise, but also I have to point out that many of these groups started calling themselves "Angles" or "Saxons" interchangeably at a certain point.
@@patmann9363 To be fair when Rob was growing up the Beatles were unpopular in Liverpool. It's only since he's been an adult that they've gotten a resurgence in esteem there.
Ethnic nationalism is not nazism. Its just wanting your ethnic makeup to be a super majority in what ever country your the native of. Mimicing someone's accent is not racism either. Or everyone that puts pn an irish scottish or english accent is racist.
Ethnic Nationalism has it's roots in the tribal bands of pre-history and is the natural and normal model for human beings. Demonising it with the terms Nazi like stuff & racism condemns not just most people & peoples alive today throughout the world and who have ever lived but also the basic human instict of a parents preference for their own children over others, rather than their neighbours who might better embody & follow the civic rules the parents value.
It's not demonizing it. The Nazis were ethnic nationalism taken to extreme and are a warning as such. Sure, it's a sort of instinct a lot of ppl have, but that doesn't make it a decent basis for a political system. Violence and rape are also unconscious common instincts, but we rightly make them illegal.
@@robag555 The Nazis were also Socialists, Modernists, Pro Industrialisation, drivers of German vehicles and also Germans, must we therefore condemn all these categories (& more) of people that they can be included in? Have you not heard of this thing called Communism and what the regimes self identified as such did (before the Nazis even existed let alone had power) and with whom our supposedly Liberal regimes in the West preferred to support & ally, despite already having a proven track record of the worst atrocities in modern history (unlike the 3rd Reich at the time of choosing)? Ethnic Nationalism is not a category of moral evil as you have portrayed it, (akin to violence & rape apparently) but, like forceful action & sexual relations it can be applied in a variety of ways and judged in an Aristotelian way for where the mean & extremes are & debated as to where the boundaries are. Put bluntly the key question is whether you think it is a moral evil for the families of the native nations of the UK (or the British Isles, or Europe, or anywhere), to have a natural right Not to be undemocratically swamped & minoritised in their own homeland & their childrens' heritage & ancestors' posterity destroyed? FYI : By the demographic reporting of the schools of their student body ethnic composition there has been a solid 1% shift from natives to those of foreign extraction for a long time, such that the threshold of native minoritisation in the English schooling system is just 10-11 years away. In 2010 Oxford's Emeritus Professor of Demography wrote an article detailing that, basis the then rates of population change through births, deaths & migration, the UK would become 'Majority Minority' by 2066. This was not the date for the English in England, which as the primary destination & continued place of residence of people of foreign extraction would occur much sooner in any case & since 2010 the native death rate has risen, birth rates declined & migration rates rocketed, so English minoritisation in England is a mere 2-3 decades away due to demographic policies not only never proposed, let alone voted for.
@robag555 Exactly, although at that time amongst western nations they were the same on this topic. The only horrific thing was the industrial slaughter they did. But on the western front the soldiers on both sides were unfortunately not that different politically speaking.
@@GodsOwnPrototype i bet you £1000 if i said define communism and no dictionary work beforehand you like every anti commie in existence will get it wrong.
I left secondary that year. If I could describe the atmosphere in terms of pressure based on gov policies I'd say we've got roughly 10x gravities on us now, compared to then.
The UK Government have failed terribly at understanding how to respond and react to any of this and the way the UK politicians have responded to this has honestly made this entire situation so much worse. How has it become such an awful thing to even consider the thought (that it might be a good idea to calm down on immigration and "asylum seekers" Especially once a nation starts to CLEARLY see issues develop. One of the biggest issues right now that's occurring in the UK and the USA is the people who are born & raised there are deeply struggling to get by but no one is doing anything about it. While at the same time seeing that their nation is providing anyone who shows up from somewhere else with whatever amenities that they need to get by. All while those individuals aren't required to work. Where the people who were born & raised here in no way get similar treatment. In fact they get the gross opposite type of treatment as that and the government thinks nothing will come from that? That someone could only be frustrated by that if they are racist? That is where the UK government and the American government are terribly wrong) People are frustrated with how much they struggle to get by nowadays. Sidenote related to current UK & American refugee situations. Anyone on any side should be arrested if they break the law, that shouldn't even have to be said? This isn't about "racism" even tho the UK politicians & media are dead set on that being the reason.. the UK people have been multicultural forever. The American people have been multicultural forever as well. This is the government failing so much. The government is failing to take care of their own people & now they are hyper focusing on these hot button talking points, arresting people for social media comments? They should have come out and made it clear that they will treat anyone from any side with equal response if that person breaks the law but they didn't do that. They have instead come out and publicly stated that they are only considering one side as the bad guys and will only punish one side. How do they think that won't create WAY more division than what little might already have existed?? It's actually insane how much the government & media is coming at this like anyone who is stressed is racist.. Most people are not racist at all and have lived in a multicultural environment most of all their lives and were raised to accept anyone of any backgrounds as long as they are a decent person.. This crap is absolutely Absurd with how many people are so easily convinced a person is racist, or a white person isn't a good person (it's definitely not just because they are white. No way. Totally couldn't be about that) It's the weirdest thing that we are seeing such a psychotic shift in society right now.. (How hard is it to base our judgment off of: Are they a decent person? Is this a good idea?) lastly, we must stop this guilt trip of people for things that have happened outside of a person's lifetime. A person should be judged based off of how THEY have lived THEIR life. Everything else is out of everyone's control...
8581, I do not know if you are from the Uk or not, but you keep referring to "The government" when calling out blame. These "riots" have happened when a Labour government was in power. But, they had only been in power for two weeks and therefore cannot be held responsible for the build up that caused this. The previous Tory government was in power for 14 years and caused all the conditions that led to these disturbances. Nevertheless, all the hostility is blamed on the new government. And it is being done by supporters of the old government, especially the media. These disturbances are as much anti Labour as anti muslim.
They haven't failed, they've succeeded in what their plan was. Left or right, doesn't matter. Both Sunak and Starmtrooper are WEF Young Leader alumni. You could really do with reading up on the Kalergi Plan and Replacement Migration Pact. It's a shocker and there's nothing we can do to stop this runaway train now....
@@blondie7341 I get what ya mean. They did intentionally do this so you are right. They didn't fail. I just think they are idiots. (They act like they don't want division or riots) yet, They have taken this stance that anyone who isn't 100% supportive of immigration is far right thuggery, racist, bigots.. and they are intentionally NOT calling out any illegal, violent behavior from the other side. That it's so ungodly obvious that they have fully made up their minds. They have even publicly defended people saying "well they had to defend themselves" basically giving them the green light that they won't consider their actions illegal & they understand. There's more but I just don't get WHY they would take this stupid unbalanced stance.. They should just come forward and say they will not allow illegal violent behavior of any kind, regardless of you're background.
@@TranquiloTrev sorry I'm from Oregon. My aunt and cousins live in the UK. I don't know the structure of UK politics. Sorry for any mix-ups I made. ~Even tho the politics recently changed I still think the current people in charge have responded terribly to all of this. I hope things improve and it becomes clear that anyone who breaks the law will be punished. I also hope this insane "social media policing" Stops! That is honestly the most 1984, China communist party type BS I have ever seen.. I can't believe they have committed to that..
@@robag555 I watch all your stuff Rob, have for years. I cherish your view and would hate to be deprived of it for 18-24 months. That would suck for all of us.
Stay safe Rob, both with respect to migrant violence and the accelerating suveillance-police state. The British government apppears to be taking the INGSOC (English socialism) approach to crackdown on native populations and suppress the realities of their victimization by foreign religious-ethnic organized crime groups. Rotterdam was revelatory, and the recent riots are basically regime supported. The fact is you are being held to extremely stringent speech standards by your government while the most severe crimes and open calls to violence and hatred by protected minority groups against the native populations are treated with kids gloves, apologized for, and receive light prosecutions. They perform coverup for them as parallel societies balkanize the cities and nativist self-defense and ability to call them out and police them is vigorously chastised. It's the beginning of an intensifying subjugation process to denationalize the native populations while foreigners are imported to prop up a regime that hollows the country out in every sense and encroaches on private life, freedom of thought in academia, and other domains more and more. Do not underestimate the danger that is unfolding for you and your countrymen. It hurts to accept, but the protection racket that shields the foreign organized crime that is growing in Britain and preying upon the natives while they are forced into silence as the country becomes ever more dysfunctional. Your elites would rather rule in the hell of a crumbling Britain than relinquish the basic premises of their power. Many of the new arrivals don't love Britain. It's not their homeland. They resent its history and people. They will keep voting for personal identitarian benefits, and the government will continue increasing their population and power to numerically drown out political opposition to this disintegration process. The elites don't love Britain, they don't love you, they fear you and do not want you and your countrymen to feel brave or gain a spirit of resistance. Please take care, love your videos. I fear for Britain, and I hope her historic populations realize they can't win a game that is being played on *radically* different rules by those who regard you as an adversary even if you do not regard them in that same way.
I think the illegal immigration we've had with people coming across the channel in boats is a huge factor. It feels like a relentless invasion. The government do nothing at all to stop it. People are understandably very angry and afraid.
Thanks for putting things in context. I m french living in London and this was very informative to me. It s a shame mainstream medias either have a very binary narrative or even blatantly lie on these issues, They also know people have a goldfish memory so going back to decades ago to explain what s happening is very healthy. i also agree on your conclusion. Great Job
THANK YOU! Started to feel like the rest of the world was gaslighting me into thinking 'the war on terror ' didnt exist. No one brings up the history into context.
I am an ethnonationalist but I still enjoyed this video, for what it's worth. Despite our differences of opinion and overall worldview, I respect that you kept it emotionally neutral and at least approached certain topics that need to be brought to light. I enjoy your content in general, so just thought I'd throw in my two cents.
I have followed Rob's stuff for years lad (and I have seen a good smattering of our boys in the comments from time to time). I feel Rob could certainly move a little bit more if he interacted with out lads a little bit more.
"civic nationalism" - that would be an oxymoron, no? Nation and ethnicity both mean "kin". Nation is Latin and ethnicity is Greek, but they're the same concept.
After listening to this video I subbed to both your channels for the level-headed analysis, which is increasingly rare now. One slight mistake you may want to add a note to is that the legal age for marriage in the UK is 18 years of age, as of 2023. Thanks Rob.
Does Lotus Eaters have Sargon on it? Used to follow him, he did a few good vids and I actually met him in Weymouth when he was campaigning to be an MEP back in 2019. Haven't followed his work for some time now, I heard he had ups and downs.
It's been a long night for me so I'm going to watch this in the morning. I listen to several sources that I find quite trustworthy when it comes to things like this but I will admit from time to time I need a pinch of salt. Your movie analysis is very entertaining and inciteful, you also have a great way of presenting real-life issues with your measured response. As much as we feel we've hear this before, I still think your video will be pertinent.
An accurate and holistic summary of how we've reached this depressing and maddening current state of affairs. Appreciate the commentary and best wishes.
The war on terror period did two things 1) Created suspicion of Muslims 2) Started moving truly huge numbers of Muslims into western countries (for no readily apparent reason) Try to make sense of that without engaging in cynicism
For me the problem is several thousand years old. I’ll just quote that one French interview where the host asked his guest: “Qui ?! Dis qui!” And his guest (a wise man IMO) very calmly replied with: “La communauté que vous connaissez bien.”
Good job mate. One thing that doesn’t get mentioned much is moderate Muslims in this country concerned about Islamic extremism, I’ve had friends with Iranian & Dubai backgrounds showing concerns. Also there’s a UAE foreign ministry warning of Islamic extremism in the west from 2017 who seemingly predicted these problems. On a side note as a half Catholic half Protestant, it was oddly comforting seeing Irish & British nationalists arm in arm with there respective flags in Northern Ireland during the protests, I never thought I’d see that in my lifetime no matter what the cause was
As someone born in Northern Ireland I wish I had some good news for you but I don’t. This stuff is tame compared to the predictable future. The government, politicians and media have for some time now given preferential treatment to either non citizens or citizens from non British ancestry. The dynamic is in place for escalating violence and unrest , when the genie escapes it’s very hard to put back in the bottle.
That is definitely your perception, but that's about it. If you must rub the genie's lamp to have the genie come out for you and you wish upon it for escalating violence, you will have your wishes granted.
They are not "far right" they are just citizens who are tired of being shit on by the same ungrateful people they have welcomed and embraced for many years..
??? Blaming immigrants for what capitalism and its overlords have done to you is delusional. Acting on decades of racist propaganda is doing the bidding of the far right. Just because somebody out there seems to be speaking your language know that they are not your friend if they are laying to you.
It's amazing, but certainly not surprising these days, that a well informed video talking about the possible causes with balanced discussion comes from a movie analysis channel, and not any of our main media. Reassuring to watch and see others with similar viewpoints. Cheers Rob!
This is well measured, thorough and clearly communicated, I appreciate this video. I'm CERTAIN it will be taken out of context, and it will be withheld from recommendations, and declined from algorithm boosts.
Cheers. Personally I think these arguments have as much potential to pull people away from the "far right" as the "far left", whatever those terms mean. Let's see :)
Was expecting an angry rant, came away pleasantly surprised and informed. I would like more of these sober second thought type vids on whatever topics.
Civic nationalism is not what we've had the last 50 years. For at least the past 25 years what we've had is globalist deconstruction posing as civic nationalism. How are the blindfolds working out for you? ;)
@robag555 I agree Rob, nice to see that you have a switched on viewpoint about the state of politics, and the country as a whole. I'd expect nothing less from you and always got the feeling you were "on my side" so to speak.
@@robag555 It a weakening of the nation-state. Once the ethnic nationalism grows too weak it becomes civic nationalism which grows weak in turn and makes your country a mere economic zone controlled by globetrotting elites (some would read this as jews, but clearly even native british elites have lost touch with their homeland and its interests, selling out the natives and land for money and signalling).
Rob, we are different. It is NOT just skin color. We don’t look at different breeds of dogs as just being different in appearance. They have different temperaments, intellect, etc. but some reason when it comes to humans our breed if you will only dictates color is absurd
Yeah I don't even agree with the terms black and white. Have used them in this vid as shorthands, as the popints I was making were mostly on other subjects. I view all people as uniquely complex individuals.
let's keep supporting the chosen people! let's also deal with the consequences of their conquests! they *are* the chosen people, after all. they , and only they, deserve that land!
spot on analysis Rob. I might have missed it if you mentioned it, but there was the terror attack at Glasgow Airport. As a Glaswegian Im reminded of a Frankie Boyle joke about the naivety of Al Qaeda to bring a religious war to Glasgow without even having a football team. This is the most accurate analysis Ive come across. Good man.
You make some strange assumptions here along with some good points. In the introduction you refer to the killer as a terrorist despite admitting at the end that there is no evidence yet that he is a terrorist and the police having said explicitly that he isn't. And you say that because these were crimes against children they led to protests. Wrong: if someone kills children it's horrifying but unless this is tied to some sociopolitical thing there is nothing to protest about. You might have a vigil to express support for the bereaved. This was not that. You're missing out a key step: with zero evidence, rightwing figures tried to tie the killings to immigration. As you say, the media and politicians on all sides have for decades stoked anxiety about immigration. If nobody had built up a false narrative of this case, taking advantage of an information vacuum, there would have been nothing to riot about. Am I wrong?
Yes, you're wrong. I didn't say he was a terrorist. I explained several times in the vid that he MIGHT be a terrorist, but that his motives haven't been brought to light yet. And that the police saying he isn't doesn't prove anything as the police have lied before about grooming gangs etc. The fact these were attacks on kids (combined with the long term frustrations and lies from goivernment outlined in the vid) definitely was the major motive for the demos and riots. It's not some organized "far fright" conspiracy. The government IS the "far right" they claim to oppose - they ran the racist war on terror etc. The arrests so far are virtually all drunken thug types, theft opportunists, even passersby in the street who just got swept up in the anti-authoritarian angst etc. The southport arrests were pretty much all locals. The media claims it was all conducted by "right wing figures", but that's a lie. In fact the media encouraged the riots and violence by announcing there are going to be protests in particular cities, which in turn makes protestors show up to take part and encourages their opposition protestors to show up and get into conflict with them, ensuring that even initially peaceful protests become violent. It's effectively engineered violence and is being used for a new push against free speech - it's the New War On Terror. The media also encouraged crime by announcing the police were overwhelmed. Thieves and vandals with no interest in the southport event then take advantage.
The story about the vulnerable girls hostel in Liverpool make things clear. Councils would not be happy if these vulnerable girls were raped when they were supposed to be in the care of the Council. All sorts of expensive compensation would be involved - explains the wall of silence and lack of interest by local media. Clearly there is a conflict of interest here.
MY dude, UK VOTED to leave EU and have less immigrant as a result, effectively shooting itself in the foot by crippling its economy for those exact same reasons, and let's not kid ourselves, those riots are the result of bad economy not immigration mumbo jumbo
Something which wasn't addressed in the comments, yet is perhaps warranted given the asinine ideologies espoused in them, is that ostracizing any worldview or opinion that goes at all against the authorities promoted narrative necessarily ends up radicalizing anyone who isn't entirely in-sync with said narrative. In regards to your United Kingdom, what this means is that anyone who is a civic nationalist, anyone who is a traditionalist in any facet of their lives, or really, anyone who believes in equality before the law, ends up bundled together with BNP and all of its offshoot groups. The selective and discriminatory application of state institutes towards populations based on their different cultures or phenotypes is against liberalism, humanism, democracy, and equality before the law. Yet, speaking against it labels one as if they were the power-hungry authoritarian, rather than the authorities themselves in a society that despite the enlightenment, and despite the horrors of two world wars, to this outside observer, never truly denounced its classist segregated structure.
the "war" on "anything" will never end, war on drugs, war on terror, war on racism etc, such nebulous terms that are designed to keep going and evolving to justify anything the powers that be want.
@@thenightdrivingavenger2200 Correct. There's nothing more permanent that a temporary state department. Further, I would add that these institutions that are meant to combat these things only end of create more problems to solve in order to justify themselves.
@@thesecondhat4717 exactly. all these talking heads on twitter, DEI departments, hope not hate etc, they dont WANT any of it to end because they literally feed off it
37:59 so far as I can tell, the EDL "exists" in the minds of the people, who need it to exist to justify their actions. Perhaps some parallels to be drawn here between the "red scare", of the McCarthy era in US politics. Like a magician forcing a card, the government selects the events they want to respond to because it allows them to pursue the policies they wish to implement (but know that without these events, they would be pushed back on). In other circumstances, they draw upon a raft of excuses to explain why they can't react. Not enough police, full prisons, community tensions and lack of funds. Recent events, and the speed with which the government has been able to act, exposes this to all. But many of us knew this from the banking crisis, the moment their friends the bankers needed bailing out, there was enough money to do it. There was no such bailout for the miners and steelworkers after their industries were destroyed, those communities were left to rot. We are just now entering the endgame for a political paradigm that was set in motion half a century ago. It is up to those in charge to determine if they go quietly or the working class have to perform a modern version of the events of 1381 - which everyone will regret.
The media needs to put a name to the face in order to directly demonise a movement. When it’s a nebulous organic thing with no upper organisation they struggle to frame the narrative. That’s why they cling to EDL because it’s the closest prior organisation.
At the 8:00 minute mark you talk about the war on terror but you neglect to mention that Tony Blair's government imported MILLIONS of muslims simultaneously as the war on terror was going on.
@@robag555 The point I am making is that it is counter-intuitive for a government to use the war on terror to forment Islamophobia, all while bringing more of them in.
@@waynegoldpig2220 Not at all counter intuitive if your long term plan is to destabilise the nation causing riots so you can bring in draconian controls and complete surveillance, digital id, cashless society, complete control of every aspect of the individual and society. Stasi's first speech after the first riot, it was planned to inflame the situation to cause further trouble to bring in the controls I mention above. Any statesman or human for that matter would have called for calm, tried to settle people down, but no, it intentionally inflamed it to give the party the excuse for complete control. The party only cares about control, it doesn't care for the natives, the immigrants or anyone else, solely the party. I'm not religious, though in the last few days I have agreed to go to church with my girlfriend as I feel complete doom in my stomach and maybe I might find some inner peace in religion, look at Starsi, I don't think it's even human, honestly, no emotion, no sympathy, honestly think it may be a demon or the devil, pure evil, I am truly thinking it's a possibility. You have to understand the party hates you. I'm looking to leave the country, you can't vote your way out of it, pointless trying to fight the state, so I think the best option is to take my taxes and pay them elsewhere, I've had enough. My father was a toolmaker.
Our rulers are still stuck in an 18th century mindset - where they believe they have the right to loot paw count rees. They use clever prop er gander to make it seem virtuous that they are steel ling millions of werkers every year, from the pawest count rees on Earth. But ask anyone what are the benefits of steel ling werkers in such volumes, and they can't answer. Then we have the problem of making room for them - and we all know which 'Class' will have to make sacrifices (i.e. giving up their homes and neighbourhoods) to accomaodate the new werkforce. *deliberately mispelt to avoid the elgo rhythym.
That was an interesting perspective. The one thing that was missing is, "where is all this going?". How do you see all of this playing out over the next twenty years?
@@kongvinter33 Even if you applied MLK's dictum to this it would not mean all are good because that's not what it says, just that it is the voice of the [previously] unheard.
@robag555 well sir, between the two channels I see a platform of around 340,000. That's a large group of people you can influence and the way my government has locked people up Jan 6th and how yalls government is starting to just be aware. Also watching your top videos you won't watch alone at night, you are aware of the 6 murders that actually took place in that house right? I didn't see anyone mention it in the comments. DeFeo murders.
No matter the color or creed, someone moves into your house, plays loud music at 2am, sleeps on your dining room table, sniffs your daughter's underwear, and steals all the food in your fridge- you're going to get pissed. Now imagine that guy wasn't being punished.
I think there are a few reason for the Multiculturalism push. If it inevitably leads to conflict then yes, Getting people to fight about mostly fake racial inequalities to distract from the very real wealth inequalities is one reason to push it. But I think another major reason is to prepare people for immigration, which is the only viable strategy they have found to prevent the population collapse that results from the comforts (and discomforts) of modernity. However, Both of these theories suggest an authority capable of foresight and reason to a level I’m just not capable of granting them. Things happen as they happen, and fall apart as they do; the people who try to pick up the pieces think they’ll get to put it all back together, but it was never together to begin with.
I watched and 'liked' your video, although I don't agree entirely, because I appreciate you stating your opinion as a citizen and the fact that you are in the spot where this is happening, so I hope others see it. I just wish you had the same appreciation for other people's opinions instead of taking pride in creating echo chambers and talking to your audience like you are above them. It's difficult to reply to your take because you touch on a series of events that while perhaps have had a domino effect or worked in tandem in some sense, are not identical, in my opinion. To reply overall, I think you have a lot of circa post-911 talking points (many Gen X/Millennials do, even great journalists like Abby Martin) and judge present events with that same Y2K mindset, while at the same time you seem to defend them with the "don't trigger me" attitudes of today. While you reiterate that you are middle of the road, it seems to me you promote an extreme (thought not extremist) attitude where everything is a lie created by the gov and held up by MSM, and in reality it's all kumbaya if we just ignore it. One thing that I think applies to a lot of what you are saying is that, 2 things can be true at the same time: e.g. in regards to The War on Terror you mention: Did certain elements of US gov have a vested interest in creating an excuse to start wars in the middle east? Yes. Did they trigger events for it to happen? Yes. Does that mean that otherwise isla mic countries WOULD NEVER create extremist groups and all mu slims that have been displaced to (not to say spread around) western countries due to these triggered events, are perfect little angels and an asset to the west?? Absolutely not. You think middle ground will keep you safe but it won't. Many people are stuck in calling out the inaccuracies in the official narrative around 911 when we are entering chapter 2 of a technocratic surveillance state... and for that system to be fully installed and functioning, a lot of chaos needs to happen. Chaos that the majority of the masses have no issue taking part in. It's not just an issue of those "planted" by the system and pointing out obvious lies in the media. If this was not made clear by all the events that transpired in 2020, I don't know what will do it.
The "please don't jail me, bobbies" coping is truly a disappointment. The fact that you lot are a defeated people who can't even tell this is a self-deluding cope is all the more disheartening. Has victory in war ever lead to so total a defeat as it has for the people of the Allied Powers? I very much doubt it. The old boy scoffing at AH's "A Last Appeal to Reason" would not be so smug today had he lived to see the fruits of "victory."
I know I can always rely on Rob Ager for some well reasoned critical thinking and in depth analysis on cinema, and it seems his takes on politics are just as high quality and enlightening. Cheers Rob!
There is no islamophobia. There is no phobia when threat is real. Read Quaran. Find out what Muhammad did and remember he's ultimate muslim and every other one has to follow him.
I know lots of christians and the content of the bible isn't very representative of their views and behaviour, so I'm not sure how much I would agree with that.
@@robag555 Thats because not everyone there is supposed to be role model. In christianity Jesus is ultimate one so its vastly difrent case from islam with their violent warlord of a prophet. When chrisitan is violent you can always ask one if thats what would Jesus do but what will you tell to violent muslim who isnt doing anything his prophet (perfect muslim) wouldnt do?
For years I had a deep respect for your content on filmmaking and analysis. I love critical thinking and unbiased views. I haven't watched in a looong - long while. I forgot your name and I been searching for a good four years for you. To find this randomly and for you to speak on this subject has also garnered my respect for you once more. Thank you. Much love from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA.
BEFORE YOU COMMENT: Watch the video first. If you don't then some of you will be repeating either the stupid establishment narrative or the equally stupid hate all immigrants narrative. Anyone posting stuff that's likely to get the video flagged will get barred from commenting any of my vids. Keep it balanced, keep it cool. Cheers.
[UPDATE in response to replies]
1) I don't believe in the left vs right political model so there's no point trying to discuss that with me - that's an over-simplistic verbal trap of artificial division. I stopped thinking in those terms over a decade ago.
2) There are dozens of contributory elements to the recent UK riots explored in the video. If you're just here to post over-simplistic, single cause, only one group to blame, rhetoric already doing the rounds from either side of the "debate" then you either haven't watched the video or aren't particularly interested in anything more complex than newspaper headlines. But you are still free to go express those thoughts on your own channels or in other comment sections on the topic of the riots.
3) The reason I don't typically post political vids is because I find the over-simplistic and tribalistic language patterns (of party politics especially) incredibly predictable and boring. I'm only making an exception with this video because the coverage near enough across the board, both media discussion AND online chatter, has overlooked so many factors (factors I've tried to outline in this vid).
You seem to value being seen as "balanced" and you like to think of yourself as this measured middleground guy. Have you ever thought about who dictates this middle ground? In a political landscape where both democrats and conservatives have slid so far off to the left, anything slightly to the right of this perceived political playing field is seen "extreme". In your bid to position yourself in "the middle" you're actually still firmly wedged inside a matrix. you're only as reasonable as the cattle crush your overlords have cattle prodded you into. You believe you might be a dissident, but they funnel you right back in. You not allowing comments that fall outside of the norm, you are a peon of the regime.
@robag555
Hi Rob, I don't know about Film-making, but I do know about History & Philosophy, including Political Philosophy & Ethics.
I don't know why my comments have been deleted, as I have done nothing but add context to some statements that from my perspective were unnecesarily & unhelpfully oversimplified.
Please advise the parameters within which commentary is acceptable to you on your channel so that I can judge how to deliver any or whether they are too restrictive to be able to do so.
Hi Rob. What does keep it balanced mean? How do you keep it cool on such an topic? Like how do you manage to come to a firm stand point if you're worried about "keeping it cool?" This isn't something like keeping track of how much water you're giving your house plants.
Thanks Rob. I've been looking at alot of recent events, not just the riots, through the lens of Festinger and cognitive dissonance.
Appreciate your thoughts.
@@svenstreams I don't buy into the over-simplistic and innacurate left vs right political model in the first place, so don't consider myself to be in the middle of that either. That's you buying into the matrix. If that's a problem for you then this video isn't for you :)
The mainstream media does not have a short memory, it has a _selective_ one.
@@richtea615 For every crime committed by a racial outsider (of which there have been a bazillion), they have amnesia. When a native commits a crime, they never forget.
It has the former because of the latter.
@@KajiCarson we are all responsible for our own actions. Immigrant and native.
Just look at how hard our media over here “across the pond” is trying to bury or hide the Trump event that happened only a few weeks ago. You’re spot on.
Exactly. It's the PUBLIC that has the short memory. The media has the selective one.
I feel bad for the English people.
And for the irish, because they're stuck on a even smaller island
Thank you. BUT they do not deserve sympathy.... they had an empire you know ...The British have their future in their own hands ...
@@beammeup8458 Yes, you get what you ask for. So do us all.
Yeah, BBC both encourages them towards hate and dismisses them as hateful at the same time. Like how this Arab security guard stopped a white person from stabbing someone only for the papers to have his face with the title of stabbing attack.
Yeah, the BBC both encourages hate towards foreigners and condemns them for hating foreigners.
I come from Germany and here any kind of opinion that is against the establishment is basically labelled "right-wing extremist".
You must live in a different Germany than I do.
In the Germany where I live, even newspapers that were once considered left nowadays simply repeat right-wing narratives without even fact-checking them.
We also live in a country where a major party created camps for people that aren't wanted here and calls them "ANKER" (anchor) where the "R" in anchor stands for "return". So the name of these camps is in itself a cruel joke that sounds very similar to how things were named between 33 to 45.
These camps were created to have "hot spots" in major cities with larger immigrant populations so every time the so-called "Christian union" CSU could just pull "immigrant violence" out of the hat to mobilize the voter base.
We're also living in a country where the far left seems to be free to make nonsense antisemitic claims about the Israel-Palestine conflict (that's been dragging on for as long as I can remember). A lot of things can be said today in Germany that were once considered taboo even under Helmut Kohl. So, no, right-wing is today much more mainstream than it was back in the 80's and 90's. No more campaigns like "my friend is a foreigner" by the German Bundesliga, etc.
My struggle
Nice try, Heinrich. As a fellow German, all I can say is that this is exactly the narrative of the far right.
@@MrSeedi76 This is very strange that there are two very polar opposite views on the matter. Thank you for reply as I found it very interesting.
@@MrSeedi76
I think your way of presenting this proves the OP right.
What you call "repeating right-wing narratives" is actually regular and common sense perspectives that German politics and media have simply ignored since the 2010s.
The "ANKER camps" you claim for "people who aren't wanted here" (btw part of BAMF - the government office to bring thousands and thousands of immigrants into the country) is a very weak attempt at doing the reasonable thing - namely returning illegal immigrants and dangerous criminals to the countries they came from. There are countless exampless of people comitting crimes I cannot mantion on UA-cam, who were NOT even considered being sent out of the country - and if there had been camps BEFORE immigration in the first place, Germany and Europe wouldn't have the problems they are having now.
You are (like many Germans) allergic to the term "camp" and you play that like a card in a game in order to make the reasonable concept seem somehow indecent.
Your way of presenting immigrant violence as a trick by the not-really-so-conservative-anymore party is EXACTLY the dishonest and ignorant attitude that led to the UK riots.
What you consider "once taboo even under Helmut Kohl" would be very interesting to hear.
Please give some examples from official media.
I am pretty sure that the "taboos" you think of were created in recent years by the zeitgeist - and depending on your age, you are not even aware of that or consciously trying to gaslight with your statement.
The campaigns of identity politics in German media, corporations, cultural institutions and sports are ENDLESS.
So really none of your points really makes sense.
But feel free to prove me wrong with concrete examples!
As a defense attorney in the US I've been shocked by the few headlines i HAVE seen which indicate rioters are convicted and sentenced within 48 hours of their arrest! How can you put on a defense in 48 hours??
That's the damn point. Suspension of justice and fair trial.
They are pressured to plead guilty to get a much lesser sentence so no defence case required.
I believe it's people who pled guilty.
@@douglas2437 But are they being given the correct advice?
@@ajones747 almost certainly 'no'. The establishment wants blood and wants to sacrifice some victims to ram home the message.
The reaction to the rioting by those with the power has been deeply disturbing.
Isnt that what they always do.
1st Responce is "Its not all" "has nothing to do with Islam" "its a isolated case" ect.
Or they dont report on it at all. Like here.
Those that read international EU Papers like the Compact for Migration Packt.
Know this replacement of population is EU Planing and Lingo.
These "distortions" of the status are planed and welcomed. They want crisis.
If the guy had kille 3000 Kids they would still tell us "stfu raceists"
the judges handing down the sentences for rioters all have a history of giving pedos no jail time.
J-00s. Prove me wrong.
The system is going in at full force, trumped up charges, sham trials etc.
Fake trials to scare you in to silence, just like fake murders and the fake riots.
Its crazy isn't it, the sentences. Almost dystopic. Years in prison for stealing sausage rolls and stuff. It's also worth noting that non violent just stop oil protestors got 5 years in prison a few weeks ago too. Depressing to see how many people are celebrating that because they don't like just stop oil. I don't like Just stop oil either but 5 years in prison is absolutely dystopic
No, not trumped up nor sham trials. Just coming down hard because they want to stop any of it going too far. It is absolutely standard practice for a governing power.
bruv…”they want you dead and they think its funny”
It's hard to get any trustworthy info about this outside of the UK.
Its even harder to get it inside UK
Especially in the US with all the sensationalist headlines. It seems that the folks in the US have already made up their minds that a civil war has occurred in the UK... It hasn't. The George Floyd riots made these UK riots look like a stroll in the park on a sunny afternoon.
@@classicalmusic1175 Very true. I followed those US riots, main and alt media. It was far bigger than our recent UK one.
Try x!
Becaus they Bann every politicial right Reporting
Internet Banning has been going on for 10 Years now.
Ofc you wont get real info. If houses are raided when people just report what they saw/ filmed
How anyone tunes into the “news” and thinks they’re being informed is beyond me, my grandparents and my parents are from the generation where they grew up watching tv and think everything on the news is real.
They use a brilliant slight of hand trick called omittion. Once u see it you cant unsee it.
They just present a big slop in z bowl and that's wot you getting.
Surprised rob didnt mention Hillsborough. That was 100% lies and corruption covering for incompetent police chiefs.
Now we got EDL and right wing networks travelling in from various parts of the country.
I think there is a lot of value in the mainstream news, for example I think channel 4 news is very good in terms of its reporting. However, you need to be able to put it into context when watching and understand its biases and the things it will never talk about. As long as you can do that, you can engage with mainstream news and take value from it. It requires some 'active listening' rather than just accepting what it being said, of course. Turning wholesale away from mainstream news often leads to people becoming overly cynical to the point they end up essentially being naively contrarion and will write off anything reported in mainstream news without any consideration.
My wife is from Liverpool and her family now lives in Southport. She was obviously devastated by this. There was a moment we thought her nephew could have been attacked. It's similarly upset her how the media seems to have forgotten about the stabbing victims and addressing the cause of the attack. The idea that the riots were due to outside agitators, or that protesters or even rioters were EDL members, has been patently absurd to us, but it's eaten up by people in the south who see anyone from Liverpool or Merseyside as a chav or "thug." She's basically been saying all the same things as you, Rob.
I come from Bristol and it's bizarre to see how easily manipulated into double standards and hypocrisy the so-called 'alternative' or 'counterculture' people seem to be. I can only suppose they believe they've arrived at being 'open minded' and can put their feet up now that they're so much humbler than everyone else. I'm sure it makes them more susceptible and I believe I recognise it well because I was like that some years ago too to some extent, sadly.
The fact that the UK government is imprisoning its citizens for expressing and sharing opinions online bothers me. And I would hate for that to become normal in the US.
Have they imprisoned anyone for opinions? I've exclusively seen people jailed for saying people should go wreck buildings or hurt people.
They change the meanings of words all the time. Posting edgy memes about migrants on facebook can get you 18 months these days.
It never will, we have guns and the US Constitution. Sorry leftists.
@@PurpleColonel You are ignorant then
@nottiredofwinning3736 Can you tell me the names of a couple people jailed for "edgy posts" that don't directly call for violence?
India’s in sooth Asia. Palestine and Israel are in Middle East.
South not Sooth.
@@shspurs1342No sooth Asia, a distinct region.
the Middle East is Asian Minor IINM
Funny how the "right-wing" riot happened in the famous left-wing stronghold that is Northern England
Many years back there was a poll showing that most BNP members were ex-Labour Party supporters. Report was briefly available then disappeared from the net. Just shows the left right model of politics is misleading to begin with.
@@robag555 the MPs exist as a class on their own, it is difficult to not disappointed by either side, especially the one that is supposed to stand with the workers
@@robag555 I used to support the BNP, but I eventually came to realise that electoral politics is theatre. There are no political solutions, because the problem is ideological and spans countless generations. It all goes back to Christian ethics and the doctrine of soul equality. That is the progenitor of all egalitarian thought. The Austrian painter is the only man who has ever attempted to transvalue Christian values, and he is the most vilified individual to have ever lived. That tells you everything. You should read _Dominion_ by Tom Holland. He exposes Christ-insanity as the source of the rot, yet even he is still incapable of transcending Christian ethics, as he cheerfully rejects the alternative paradigm offered by the Austrian painter.
@@ArnoldTohtFan Didn't Uncle Adolf refer to Christianity as the "ancestor of Marxism"?
@@chrispalmer9838 Indeed he did! He called it the original bolshevism. _Communism is Neo-Christianity_ by Wesley Lysander is an illuminating read.
What determines if someone is
“Right wing” vs. “far right wing” vs
“Super duper extreme far right”
Because it seems like it’s just a media dog whistle to say “these are the baddies, it’s ok to hate these guys!”
That is exactly what it is. And the problem with picking a side - left or right. Is that you find people ignoring the glaring problems with media doing this. Eg. Corbyn. The media lied through their teeth about him.. and people who are anti corbyn ignored the lies. Or at least didn’t care that much. And now with patriotic protests the media lies through their teeth and the left ignore it. Or care very little about the lies because it backs their side up. We are f****** until people see this.
Whilst I agree that the term is over used to the point of meaninglessness, doesn't 'right wing' generally become 'far right' at the point where it begins to encompass acts of street violence?
@@trevfindleyNo, the term is used even more for non-violent rhetoric than, say, rioters. There really is no "right wing" anymore. If you are classified as a dissident by the current progressive imperial religion, you are automatically "far right".
A right winger will ask, “what is a woman?” A far right-winger will answer, “A woman is government property.” A super duper far right-winger will answer, “A woman is my property.”
@@promeitheus I think the lady doth protest too much!
You put your channel and your personal freedom at great jeopardy by criticizing the media and Labor party. Thank you for your bravery.
Thank you for sharing. There was a riot in Dublin in November 2023. It took place near O'Connell Street and the River Liffey. They closed the footbridges to City Centre. The rioters were mainly framed as being unsophisticated low-income sorts enraged by an attack on children committed by a non-Irish immigrant. However, my viewpoint is that this riot might be a symptom of a much bigger problem in Ireland. And should be addressed directly and promptly and not swept under the rug. Signed a concerned Irish citizen.
Aye, the mich bigger problem is bigotry being allowed to run rampant in society and social media, indoctrinating youths into believing it's okay to circumvent the Democratic process by burning busses and threatening minority groups with violence and rhetoric. Whether thats sophisticated or not does matter, the point is you are the broader problem there's not being addressed.
There was an incident in Leicester Square on Monday involving a woman and her 10 yo daughter. It was not covered AT ALL in Tuesday's Metro newspaper (in Glasgow anyway). The headline was about a bin men strike. Nothing to see here, move along.
This is 100% an economic issue. We have had trillions spent on endless war and a banking crisis, and working class and middle class people footed the bill. Austerity measures, followed by Ukraine, followed by utility bills (privatised and the profits offshored) going through the roof, finally a cost of living crisis.
This has created a deep simmering resentment and anger that is easy for racists to deliberately wind up. The pressure cooker environment of just surviving in this country is ridiculous and it was always going to go off in the worst possible way. In fact I’m surprised things didn’t get much worse.
Hope you have a licence for that opinion Rob.
*loicense
I never even heard of the Kriss Donald murder before. The double standard when you consider how constant the coverage even to this day of certain race crimes when the roles are reversed is what makes people so incensed.
I don't think you mentioned it, but the constant stream of hundreds of new arrivals being shipped in every single day and put up in four star hotels really gets the natives worked up too, on top of what you mentioned. It certainly feels like it's all being orchestrated on purpose for whatever reason.
Colonialism always cries😂...
@Darkpheria No argument. Just buzz a word. Garbage comment.
8 billion a year costs apparently. Almost have of the 'black hole' left by the Tories in the public finances.
I am still trying to figure out what that reason is pal, as it is clearly orchestrated.
Whenever you chime in on politics, you’re refreshingly sober and consistent.
5:55 you are a bit wrong here. When referring to pakistanis, Bangledeshis, Indians, and Srilankans, you would refer to them as South Asian. They are not Middle Eastern. Thai, Cambodian, and Phillipino are East Asian.
We had a similar story to the Chris Donaldson one in Fullerton, CA, in the US. Before ANY of the other police brutality stories, before Treyvon Martin, Kelly Thomas was beaten to death for 10 minutes by police who provoked the confrontation, and it was all caught on video but the refused to release to video for months. My leftists/communist associates we shocked how little their leaders and activists cared. It was only the libertarian RIGHT that reported on and covered the developments. Why? Because Kelly Thomas was white, and Democrats only care about race conflict. We protested every weekend FOR A YEAR in front of city hall and had art shows and concerts and plays, and it got less than five minutes of national news coverage on one channel.
And by Asian: he means middle Asia. Let’s not gaslight ourselves
"Ethnic nationalism" is redundant, "civic nationalism" is an oxymoron; this is the etymology of the word "nation":
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe..." England is called England because it's the land of the Angles, Scotland is the land of the Scots, Finland is the land of the Finns, etc.
The attempt to replace nation-states with mass-migrated, deracinated, multicultural (really, cultureless) purely economic zones is responsible for the chaos.
Well said
Etymology is the study of how words evolved, i.e. _changed._
Not much that reaches from msm now that isn't social engineering.
"England is called England because it's the land of the Angles"
But it's *never* been made purely up of Angles, but has been a mix and interbreeding beteeen many ethnic groups, including the Jutes, Saxons, celts etc.
@@Ballardian I agree with the premise, but also I have to point out that many of these groups started calling themselves "Angles" or "Saxons" interchangeably at a certain point.
I'm not British but I want to learn more.
Poor people attacking poor people so rich people can get richer.So the usual really.
you not heard of ska music rob ,white guys where into black music long before the 90's,and what are you saying the white folk never listened to jazz
That's fair point, cheers.
Or like saying white guys never listened to Blues.
That's a bit pendents fella. He probably means in general.
@@robag555Coming from Liverpool and not clocking John, Paul,Ringo and George basically played...
@@patmann9363 To be fair when Rob was growing up the Beatles were unpopular in Liverpool. It's only since he's been an adult that they've gotten a resurgence in esteem there.
Ethnic nationalism is not nazism. Its just wanting your ethnic makeup to be a super majority in what ever country your the native of. Mimicing someone's accent is not racism either. Or everyone that puts pn an irish scottish or english accent is racist.
Yeah that's actually extremely common
Deutschland, Deutschland über allen
Ethnic Nationalism has it's roots in the tribal bands of pre-history and is the natural and normal model for human beings.
Demonising it with the terms Nazi like stuff & racism condemns not just most people & peoples alive today throughout the world and who have ever lived but also the basic human instict of a parents preference for their own children over others, rather than their neighbours who might better embody & follow the civic rules the parents value.
It's not demonizing it. The Nazis were ethnic nationalism taken to extreme and are a warning as such. Sure, it's a sort of instinct a lot of ppl have, but that doesn't make it a decent basis for a political system. Violence and rape are also unconscious common instincts, but we rightly make them illegal.
@@robag555
The Nazis were also Socialists, Modernists, Pro Industrialisation, drivers of German vehicles and also Germans, must we therefore condemn all these categories (& more) of people that they can be included in?
Have you not heard of this thing called Communism and what the regimes self identified as such did (before the Nazis even existed let alone had power) and with whom our supposedly Liberal regimes in the West preferred to support & ally, despite already having a proven track record of the worst atrocities in modern history (unlike the 3rd Reich at the time of choosing)?
Ethnic Nationalism is not a category of moral evil as you have portrayed it, (akin to violence & rape apparently) but, like forceful action & sexual relations it can be applied in a variety of ways and judged in an Aristotelian way for where the mean & extremes are & debated as to where the boundaries are.
Put bluntly the key question is whether you think it is a moral evil for the families of the native nations of the UK (or the British Isles, or Europe, or anywhere), to have a natural right Not to be undemocratically swamped & minoritised in their own homeland & their childrens' heritage & ancestors' posterity destroyed?
FYI : By the demographic reporting of the schools of their student body ethnic composition there has been a solid 1% shift from natives to those of foreign extraction for a long time, such that the threshold of native minoritisation in the English schooling system is just 10-11 years away.
In 2010 Oxford's Emeritus Professor of Demography wrote an article detailing that, basis the then rates of population change through births, deaths & migration, the UK would become 'Majority Minority' by 2066.
This was not the date for the English in England, which as the primary destination & continued place of residence of people of foreign extraction would occur much sooner in any case & since 2010 the native death rate has risen, birth rates declined & migration rates rocketed, so English minoritisation in England is a mere 2-3 decades away due to demographic policies not only never proposed, let alone voted for.
@robag555 Exactly, although at that time amongst western nations they were the same on this topic. The only horrific thing was the industrial slaughter they did. But on the western front the soldiers on both sides were unfortunately not that different politically speaking.
@@GodsOwnPrototypeI definitely still condemn Germans. 😂
@@GodsOwnPrototype i bet you £1000 if i said define communism and no dictionary work beforehand you like every anti commie in existence will get it wrong.
As I get older I feel incredibly lucky to have lived, loved and laughed in the world before 1997.
@@albi55uk The Dark Lord sure did do a number on us all.
I left secondary that year. If I could describe the atmosphere in terms of pressure based on gov policies I'd say we've got roughly 10x gravities on us now, compared to then.
@@adamweisshaup, I'm going to use that.
AA enjoyer? @@TruckerJenkins82
@@byroncudworth6918 It is, indeed, a scattered community
The UK Government have failed terribly at understanding how to respond and react to any of this and the way the UK politicians have responded to this has honestly made this entire situation so much worse. How has it become such an awful thing to even consider the thought (that it might be a good idea to calm down on immigration and "asylum seekers" Especially once a nation starts to CLEARLY see issues develop. One of the biggest issues right now that's occurring in the UK and the USA is the people who are born & raised there are deeply struggling to get by but no one is doing anything about it. While at the same time seeing that their nation is providing anyone who shows up from somewhere else with whatever amenities that they need to get by. All while those individuals aren't required to work. Where the people who were born & raised here in no way get similar treatment. In fact they get the gross opposite type of treatment as that and the government thinks nothing will come from that? That someone could only be frustrated by that if they are racist? That is where the UK government and the American government are terribly wrong)
People are frustrated with how much they struggle to get by nowadays.
Sidenote related to current UK & American refugee situations. Anyone on any side should be arrested if they break the law, that shouldn't even have to be said? This isn't about "racism" even tho the UK politicians & media are dead set on that being the reason.. the UK people have been multicultural forever. The American people have been multicultural forever as well. This is the government failing so much. The government is failing to take care of their own people & now they are hyper focusing on these hot button talking points, arresting people for social media comments? They should have come out and made it clear that they will treat anyone from any side with equal response if that person breaks the law but they didn't do that. They have instead come out and publicly stated that they are only considering one side as the bad guys and will only punish one side. How do they think that won't create WAY more division than what little might already have existed??
It's actually insane how much the government & media is coming at this like anyone who is stressed is racist.. Most people are not racist at all and have lived in a multicultural environment most of all their lives and were raised to accept anyone of any backgrounds as long as they are a decent person.. This crap is absolutely Absurd with how many people are so easily convinced a person is racist, or a white person isn't a good person (it's definitely not just because they are white. No way. Totally couldn't be about that)
It's the weirdest thing that we are seeing such a psychotic shift in society right now.. (How hard is it to base our judgment off of: Are they a decent person? Is this a good idea?) lastly, we must stop this guilt trip of people for things that have happened outside of a person's lifetime. A person should be judged based off of how THEY have lived THEIR life. Everything else is out of everyone's control...
8581, I do not know if you are from the Uk or not, but you keep referring to "The government" when calling out blame. These "riots" have happened when a Labour government was in power. But, they had only been in power for two weeks and therefore cannot be held responsible for the build up that caused this. The previous Tory government was in power for 14 years and caused all the conditions that led to these disturbances. Nevertheless, all the hostility is blamed on the new government. And it is being done by supporters of the old government, especially the media. These disturbances are as much anti Labour as anti muslim.
They haven't failed, they've succeeded in what their plan was. Left or right, doesn't matter. Both Sunak and Starmtrooper are WEF Young Leader alumni. You could really do with reading up on the Kalergi Plan and Replacement Migration Pact. It's a shocker and there's nothing we can do to stop this runaway train now....
@@blondie7341 I get what ya mean. They did intentionally do this so you are right. They didn't fail. I just think they are idiots. (They act like they don't want division or riots) yet, They have taken this stance that anyone who isn't 100% supportive of immigration is far right thuggery, racist, bigots.. and they are intentionally NOT calling out any illegal, violent behavior from the other side. That it's so ungodly obvious that they have fully made up their minds. They have even publicly defended people saying "well they had to defend themselves" basically giving them the green light that they won't consider their actions illegal & they understand. There's more but I just don't get WHY they would take this stupid unbalanced stance.. They should just come forward and say they will not allow illegal violent behavior of any kind, regardless of you're background.
@@TranquiloTrev sorry I'm from Oregon. My aunt and cousins live in the UK. I don't know the structure of UK politics. Sorry for any mix-ups I made. ~Even tho the politics recently changed I still think the current people in charge have responded terribly to all of this. I hope things improve and it becomes clear that anyone who breaks the law will be punished. I also hope this insane "social media policing" Stops! That is honestly the most 1984, China communist party type BS I have ever seen.. I can't believe they have committed to that..
You have alot on your mind.
I hope you are not jailed for anything in here.
Nothing jailable at all in here. It's a very balanced assessment. Give it a watch.
@@robag555Kier Stalin is watching Rob
@@robag555 yes always stay "balanced", always sit on the fence. DO NOT veer off the establishment opinion too far EVER!
@@robag555 I watch all your stuff Rob, have for years. I cherish your view and would hate to be deprived of it for 18-24 months.
That would suck for all of us.
@@robag555 Big brother is watching you and he will ecide what is illegal.
Stay safe Rob, both with respect to migrant violence and the accelerating suveillance-police state. The British government apppears to be taking the INGSOC (English socialism) approach to crackdown on native populations and suppress the realities of their victimization by foreign religious-ethnic organized crime groups.
Rotterdam was revelatory, and the recent riots are basically regime supported. The fact is you are being held to extremely stringent speech standards by your government while the most severe crimes and open calls to violence and hatred by protected minority groups against the native populations are treated with kids gloves, apologized for, and receive light prosecutions. They perform coverup for them as parallel societies balkanize the cities and nativist self-defense and ability to call them out and police them is vigorously chastised.
It's the beginning of an intensifying subjugation process to denationalize the native populations while foreigners are imported to prop up a regime that hollows the country out in every sense and encroaches on private life, freedom of thought in academia, and other domains more and more.
Do not underestimate the danger that is unfolding for you and your countrymen. It hurts to accept, but the protection racket that shields the foreign organized crime that is growing in Britain and preying upon the natives while they are forced into silence as the country becomes ever more dysfunctional. Your elites would rather rule in the hell of a crumbling Britain than relinquish the basic premises of their power.
Many of the new arrivals don't love Britain. It's not their homeland. They resent its history and people. They will keep voting for personal identitarian benefits, and the government will continue increasing their population and power to numerically drown out political opposition to this disintegration process.
The elites don't love Britain, they don't love you, they fear you and do not want you and your countrymen to feel brave or gain a spirit of resistance. Please take care, love your videos. I fear for Britain, and I hope her historic populations realize they can't win a game that is being played on *radically* different rules by those who regard you as an adversary even if you do not regard them in that same way.
Spot on ,great comment .
I think the illegal immigration we've had with people coming across the channel in boats is a huge factor. It feels like a relentless invasion. The government do nothing at all to stop it. People are understandably very angry and afraid.
It feels that way because it is.
Thanks for putting things in context. I m french living in London and this was very informative to me. It s a shame mainstream medias either have a very binary narrative or even blatantly lie on these issues, They also know people have a goldfish memory so going back to decades ago to explain what s happening is very healthy. i also agree on your conclusion. Great Job
THANK YOU! Started to feel like the rest of the world was gaslighting me into thinking 'the war on terror ' didnt exist. No one brings up the history into context.
I'm in the US and I don't remember hearing about civic nationalism. That's a distinction that media is deliberately failing to mention.
Never gets a mention.
If you haven't, you should watch a film called Nightcrawler. Perfectly summarises the media's obsession with violence.
Saw it. Was good. The reality is even worse though.
If nothing is done about the colonizers and the political class that let them in, things will only get worse. I hope this movement succeeds.
Colonisers? Lol, might want to take a look at British history (although that was also led by the elites i guess).
Wings and parties are illusions. All their checks are signed by the same hand.
I am an ethnonationalist but I still enjoyed this video, for what it's worth. Despite our differences of opinion and overall worldview, I respect that you kept it emotionally neutral and at least approached certain topics that need to be brought to light. I enjoy your content in general, so just thought I'd throw in my two cents.
I have followed Rob's stuff for years lad (and I have seen a good smattering of our boys in the comments from time to time).
I feel Rob could certainly move a little bit more if he interacted with out lads a little bit more.
I think I knew about 40% of these stories and fucking hell, Rob, I'm at a loss for words. I'm actually fully depressed about the state of things.
"civic nationalism" - that would be an oxymoron, no? Nation and ethnicity both mean "kin". Nation is Latin and ethnicity is Greek, but they're the same concept.
After listening to this video I subbed to both your channels for the level-headed analysis, which is increasingly rare now.
One slight mistake you may want to add a note to is that the legal age for marriage in the UK is 18 years of age, as of 2023.
Thanks Rob.
Ah, I didn't know that legal change had occurred. Thanks :)
Coverage of this by Lotus Eaters and Ed Dutton has been fantastic. Are you subbed to those channels, Rob?
Lotus eaters are overhyped
I'd reckon Lotus Eaters, possible he sees some of their stuff, Ed Dutton definitely not for Rob
Does Lotus Eaters have Sargon on it? Used to follow him, he did a few good vids and I actually met him in Weymouth when he was campaigning to be an MEP back in 2019. Haven't followed his work for some time now, I heard he had ups and downs.
@@jocaerbannog9052 Yes, he is the boss who created it. They're doing pretty well.
Sargon is a complete joke these days.
It's been a long night for me so I'm going to watch this in the morning. I listen to several sources that I find quite trustworthy when it comes to things like this but I will admit from time to time I need a pinch of salt. Your movie analysis is very entertaining and inciteful, you also have a great way of presenting real-life issues with your measured response. As much as we feel we've hear this before, I still think your video will be pertinent.
An accurate and holistic summary of how we've reached this depressing and maddening current state of affairs. Appreciate the commentary and best wishes.
The war on terror period did two things
1) Created suspicion of Muslims
2) Started moving truly huge numbers of Muslims into western countries (for no readily apparent reason)
Try to make sense of that without engaging in cynicism
Yes. Deliberate.
"created suspicion"
maybe fostered, exacerbated... IIRC there was some instigating event(s) 😆
@@SFDestiny Fair enough
Kalergi plan.
For me the problem is several thousand years old.
I’ll just quote that one French interview where the host asked his guest:
“Qui ?! Dis qui!”
And his guest (a wise man IMO) very calmly replied with:
“La communauté que vous connaissez bien.”
As you say, so it is.
so it was preferable these several thousand years ago? please
@@SFDestiny >please
Finish your thought?
Good job mate. One thing that doesn’t get mentioned much is moderate Muslims in this country concerned about Islamic extremism, I’ve had friends with Iranian & Dubai backgrounds showing concerns. Also there’s a UAE foreign ministry warning of Islamic extremism in the west from 2017 who seemingly predicted these problems.
On a side note as a half Catholic half Protestant, it was oddly comforting seeing Irish & British nationalists arm in arm with there respective flags in Northern Ireland during the protests, I never thought I’d see that in my lifetime no matter what the cause was
As someone born in Northern Ireland I wish I had some good news for you but I don’t.
This stuff is tame compared to the predictable future. The government, politicians and media have for some time now given preferential treatment to either non citizens or citizens from non British ancestry.
The dynamic is in place for escalating violence and unrest , when the genie escapes it’s very hard to put back in the bottle.
That is definitely your perception, but that's about it. If you must rub the genie's lamp to have the genie come out for you and you wish upon it for escalating violence, you will have your wishes granted.
Yes, it's very worrying. Not at all surprising. This has been building for years I think. 😢
They are not "far right" they are just citizens who are tired of being shit on by the same ungrateful people they have welcomed and embraced for many years..
??? Blaming immigrants for what capitalism and its overlords have done to you is delusional. Acting on decades of racist propaganda is doing the bidding of the far right. Just because somebody out there seems to be speaking your language know that they are not your friend if they are laying to you.
I find it odd that I heard about the riots but the news here is not saying anything about that attack on the kids.
Most attacks on kids aren't reported in news media. Nothing unusual about that.
@@subcitizen2012 The media likes to report attacks on kids as it whips up emotion in readers. Jamie Bulger, Madelaine McCann disappearance etc.
It's amazing, but certainly not surprising these days, that a well informed video talking about the possible causes with balanced discussion comes from a movie analysis channel, and not any of our main media. Reassuring to watch and see others with similar viewpoints. Cheers Rob!
This is well measured, thorough and clearly communicated, I appreciate this video.
I'm CERTAIN it will be taken out of context, and it will be withheld from recommendations, and declined from algorithm boosts.
Cheers. Personally I think these arguments have as much potential to pull people away from the "far right" as the "far left", whatever those terms mean. Let's see :)
@@robag555 I hope so, and please keep up the great work, I've been a fan for years!
Was expecting an angry rant, came away pleasantly surprised and informed. I would like more of these sober second thought type vids on whatever topics.
Civic nationalism is what Britain has enjoyed the last 50 years. How is it working out for you?
Civic nationalism is not what we've had the last 50 years. For at least the past 25 years what we've had is globalist deconstruction posing as civic nationalism. How are the blindfolds working out for you? ;)
I wish we had civic nationalism in the UK. We might not have had the Manchester Arena bombing if we had.
@robag555 I agree Rob, nice to see that you have a switched on viewpoint about the state of politics, and the country as a whole. I'd expect nothing less from you and always got the feeling you were "on my side" so to speak.
@@robag555 It a weakening of the nation-state. Once the ethnic nationalism grows too weak it becomes civic nationalism which grows weak in turn and makes your country a mere economic zone controlled by globetrotting elites (some would read this as jews, but clearly even native british elites have lost touch with their homeland and its interests, selling out the natives and land for money and signalling).
Rob, we are different. It is NOT just skin color. We don’t look at different breeds of dogs as just being different in appearance. They have different temperaments, intellect, etc. but some reason when it comes to humans our breed if you will only dictates color is absurd
Yeah I don't even agree with the terms black and white. Have used them in this vid as shorthands, as the popints I was making were mostly on other subjects. I view all people as uniquely complex individuals.
You wanna give some examples of different intelligences in humans dude? With sources?
@@Wyrm7774 cf The Bell Curve, Hernstein & Murray
See also relevant commentaries on subject by James Watson
Not torture, Rob. "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques!"
Of course, yes, I stand corrected ;)
U.S. subscriber here. First, a well thought out and explained video. Second, had to look up what a “grooming gang” is, and I am shocked.
Even more shocking that the gangs were protected and covered up for over a decade
let's keep supporting the chosen people! let's also deal with the consequences of their conquests! they *are* the chosen people, after all. they , and only they, deserve that land!
The media and government won't be introspective because they don't need to, things are going exactly the way they want them to.
Rob ager . New video wasnt expexting this . Ur the man shame there aint more like you.
spot on analysis Rob. I might have missed it if you mentioned it, but there was the terror attack at Glasgow Airport. As a Glaswegian Im reminded of a Frankie Boyle joke about the naivety of Al Qaeda to bring a religious war to Glasgow without even having a football team.
This is the most accurate analysis Ive come across. Good man.
Thank you Rob
If I may quote Dave Mustaine, ' if there's a new way, I'll be first inline, but it better work this time '.
Peace Sells !!! But who's buying !!!
You make some strange assumptions here along with some good points. In the introduction you refer to the killer as a terrorist despite admitting at the end that there is no evidence yet that he is a terrorist and the police having said explicitly that he isn't. And you say that because these were crimes against children they led to protests. Wrong: if someone kills children it's horrifying but unless this is tied to some sociopolitical thing there is nothing to protest about. You might have a vigil to express support for the bereaved. This was not that. You're missing out a key step: with zero evidence, rightwing figures tried to tie the killings to immigration. As you say, the media and politicians on all sides have for decades stoked anxiety about immigration. If nobody had built up a false narrative of this case, taking advantage of an information vacuum, there would have been nothing to riot about. Am I wrong?
Yes, you're wrong. I didn't say he was a terrorist. I explained several times in the vid that he MIGHT be a terrorist, but that his motives haven't been brought to light yet. And that the police saying he isn't doesn't prove anything as the police have lied before about grooming gangs etc. The fact these were attacks on kids (combined with the long term frustrations and lies from goivernment outlined in the vid) definitely was the major motive for the demos and riots. It's not some organized "far fright" conspiracy. The government IS the "far right" they claim to oppose - they ran the racist war on terror etc. The arrests so far are virtually all drunken thug types, theft opportunists, even passersby in the street who just got swept up in the anti-authoritarian angst etc. The southport arrests were pretty much all locals. The media claims it was all conducted by "right wing figures", but that's a lie. In fact the media encouraged the riots and violence by announcing there are going to be protests in particular cities, which in turn makes protestors show up to take part and encourages their opposition protestors to show up and get into conflict with them, ensuring that even initially peaceful protests become violent. It's effectively engineered violence and is being used for a new push against free speech - it's the New War On Terror. The media also encouraged crime by announcing the police were overwhelmed. Thieves and vandals with no interest in the southport event then take advantage.
Another great video, I'm in total agreement with practically everything covered.
The story about the vulnerable girls hostel in Liverpool make things clear. Councils would not be happy if these vulnerable girls were raped when they were supposed to be in the care of the Council. All sorts of expensive compensation would be involved - explains the wall of silence and lack of interest by local media. Clearly there is a conflict of interest here.
If far right means anti-immigration then I am as far right as a human being can land on.
Alright, are you against the wars and UK foreign policy?
@@elliotyourarobot Are you for or against having breakfast this morning?
@TruckerJenkins82 That's what I'm asking this fellow? Incedently, are you?
@@elliotyourarobot Are you?
MY dude, UK VOTED to leave EU and have less immigrant as a result, effectively shooting itself in the foot by crippling its economy for those exact same reasons, and let's not kid ourselves, those riots are the result of bad economy not immigration mumbo jumbo
I watch too much similar content on UA-cam… but THIS IS EXCELLENT WORK. Quality.
Something which wasn't addressed in the comments, yet is perhaps warranted given the asinine ideologies espoused in them, is that ostracizing any worldview or opinion that goes at all against the authorities promoted narrative necessarily ends up radicalizing anyone who isn't entirely in-sync with said narrative.
In regards to your United Kingdom, what this means is that anyone who is a civic nationalist, anyone who is a traditionalist in any facet of their lives, or really, anyone who believes in equality before the law, ends up bundled together with BNP and all of its offshoot groups. The selective and discriminatory application of state institutes towards populations based on their different cultures or phenotypes is against liberalism, humanism, democracy, and equality before the law. Yet, speaking against it labels one as if they were the power-hungry authoritarian, rather than the authorities themselves in a society that despite the enlightenment, and despite the horrors of two world wars, to this outside observer, never truly denounced its classist segregated structure.
Good to see someone trying to analyse this realistically, without trying to push an agenda.
I object to the notion that the war on terror ended. It's repercussions are all around.
That's fair enough. They fropped the phrase and the media intensity of it.
the "war" on "anything" will never end, war on drugs, war on terror, war on racism etc, such nebulous terms that are designed to keep going and evolving to justify anything the powers that be want.
@@thenightdrivingavenger2200 Correct. There's nothing more permanent that a temporary state department. Further, I would add that these institutions that are meant to combat these things only end of create more problems to solve in order to justify themselves.
@@thesecondhat4717 exactly. all these talking heads on twitter, DEI departments, hope not hate etc, they dont WANT any of it to end because they literally feed off it
Amazing to hear your views on this situation …
Very brave of you brother…
We know, we all know…
37:59 so far as I can tell, the EDL "exists" in the minds of the people, who need it to exist to justify their actions. Perhaps some parallels to be drawn here between the "red scare", of the McCarthy era in US politics. Like a magician forcing a card, the government selects the events they want to respond to because it allows them to pursue the policies they wish to implement (but know that without these events, they would be pushed back on). In other circumstances, they draw upon a raft of excuses to explain why they can't react. Not enough police, full prisons, community tensions and lack of funds. Recent events, and the speed with which the government has been able to act, exposes this to all. But many of us knew this from the banking crisis, the moment their friends the bankers needed bailing out, there was enough money to do it. There was no such bailout for the miners and steelworkers after their industries were destroyed, those communities were left to rot. We are just now entering the endgame for a political paradigm that was set in motion half a century ago. It is up to those in charge to determine if they go quietly or the working class have to perform a modern version of the events of 1381 - which everyone will regret.
The media needs to put a name to the face in order to directly demonise a movement. When it’s a nebulous organic thing with no upper organisation they struggle to frame the narrative. That’s why they cling to EDL because it’s the closest prior organisation.
Holy smokes, this is the best reporting I've heard on this whole issue recently yet. There's so much to expand on here.
At the 8:00 minute mark you talk about the war on terror but you neglect to mention that Tony Blair's government imported MILLIONS of muslims simultaneously as the war on terror was going on.
I briefly cover excessive immigration later in the vid, but it wasn't Muslims particularly. It was from anywhere and everywhere.
@@robag555 The point I am making is that it is counter-intuitive for a government to use the war on terror to forment Islamophobia, all while bringing more of them in.
@@waynegoldpig2220 Not at all counter intuitive if your long term plan is to destabilise the nation causing riots so you can bring in draconian controls and complete surveillance, digital id, cashless society, complete control of every aspect of the individual and society. Stasi's first speech after the first riot, it was planned to inflame the situation to cause further trouble to bring in the controls I mention above. Any statesman or human for that matter would have called for calm, tried to settle people down, but no, it intentionally inflamed it to give the party the excuse for complete control. The party only cares about control, it doesn't care for the natives, the immigrants or anyone else, solely the party. I'm not religious, though in the last few days I have agreed to go to church with my girlfriend as I feel complete doom in my stomach and maybe I might find some inner peace in religion, look at Starsi, I don't think it's even human, honestly, no emotion, no sympathy, honestly think it may be a demon or the devil, pure evil, I am truly thinking it's a possibility. You have to understand the party hates you. I'm looking to leave the country, you can't vote your way out of it, pointless trying to fight the state, so I think the best option is to take my taxes and pay them elsewhere, I've had enough. My father was a toolmaker.
@@robag555It was from anywhere and everywhere, but it was still particularly muslims.
Our rulers are still stuck in an 18th century mindset - where they believe they have the right to loot paw count rees. They use clever prop er gander to make it seem virtuous that they are steel ling millions of werkers every year, from the pawest count rees on Earth.
But ask anyone what are the benefits of steel ling werkers in such volumes, and they can't answer.
Then we have the problem of making room for them - and we all know which 'Class' will have to make sacrifices (i.e. giving up their homes and neighbourhoods) to accomaodate the new werkforce.
*deliberately mispelt to avoid the elgo rhythym.
Conspiracy theorist - if you question C0vid
Far right - if you question immigration
Funny that.
That was an interesting perspective. The one thing that was missing is, "where is all this going?". How do you see all of this playing out over the next twenty years?
A riot is the language of the unheard. - MLK
that must mean that all riots are good, even the brown jackets in Germany?
@@kongvinter33 Even if you applied MLK's dictum to this it would not mean all are good because that's not what it says, just that it is the voice of the [previously] unheard.
This is not a pro-riots quote, this is out of context.
@@wp6007 It’s not a “pro-riot” quote. But it’s not out of context. It’s a pretty much universal explanation for riots.
@@kongvinter33those weren’t riots, those were a concerted political effort to overthrow the Weimar Republic.
It was nice knowing you and am going to miss your movie dives. Good luck and make it publicly know that you are not planning on hurting yourself.
That's a very defeatist attitude ;)
@robag555 well sir, between the two channels I see a platform of around 340,000. That's a large group of people you can influence and the way my government has locked people up Jan 6th and how yalls government is starting to just be aware. Also watching your top videos you won't watch alone at night, you are aware of the 6 murders that actually took place in that house right? I didn't see anyone mention it in the comments. DeFeo murders.
lol
No matter the color or creed, someone moves into your house, plays loud music at 2am, sleeps on your dining room table, sniffs your daughter's underwear, and steals all the food in your fridge- you're going to get pissed. Now imagine that guy wasn't being punished.
Sleeps on your dining room table? What are you even talking about 🙄🤦🏻♀️
@@00st307-mit's an analogy, requires a tiny bit of effort to understand.
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You just wrote a bizarre sexual fantasy poorly hidden as a serious political viewpoint.
The British have been doing exactly that and worse to other countries for centuries and were never punished so you don't even have to imagine it.
Fair, sane and sober, Rob. An all too rare thing these days. Thank you.
Hey Rob, how about a film analysis on 'Wag the dog'? It seems appropriate.
I think there are a few reason for the Multiculturalism push. If it inevitably leads to conflict then yes, Getting people to fight about mostly fake racial inequalities to distract from the very real wealth inequalities is one reason to push it. But I think another major reason is to prepare people for immigration, which is the only viable strategy they have found to prevent the population collapse that results from the comforts (and discomforts) of modernity. However, Both of these theories suggest an authority capable of foresight and reason to a level I’m just not capable of granting them. Things happen as they happen, and fall apart as they do; the people who try to pick up the pieces think they’ll get to put it all back together, but it was never together to begin with.
..weak men create hard times..
I always enjoy listening to your videos. Thank you for sharing your opinion and providing more context to what's going on in your neck of the woods.
I watched and 'liked' your video, although I don't agree entirely, because I appreciate you stating your opinion as a citizen and the fact that you are in the spot where this is happening, so I hope others see it.
I just wish you had the same appreciation for other people's opinions instead of taking pride in creating echo chambers and talking to your audience like you are above them.
It's difficult to reply to your take because you touch on a series of events that while perhaps have had a domino effect or worked in tandem in some sense, are not identical, in my opinion.
To reply overall, I think you have a lot of circa post-911 talking points (many Gen X/Millennials do, even great journalists like Abby Martin) and judge present events with that same Y2K mindset, while at the same time you seem to defend them with the "don't trigger me" attitudes of today.
While you reiterate that you are middle of the road, it seems to me you promote an extreme (thought not extremist) attitude where everything is a lie created by the gov and held up by MSM, and in reality it's all kumbaya if we just ignore it.
One thing that I think applies to a lot of what you are saying is that, 2 things can be true at the same time:
e.g. in regards to The War on Terror you mention:
Did certain elements of US gov have a vested interest in creating an excuse to start wars in the middle east? Yes.
Did they trigger events for it to happen? Yes.
Does that mean that otherwise isla mic countries WOULD NEVER create extremist groups and all mu slims that have been displaced to (not to say spread around) western countries due to these triggered events, are perfect little angels and an asset to the west??
Absolutely not.
You think middle ground will keep you safe but it won't.
Many people are stuck in calling out the inaccuracies in the official narrative around 911 when we are entering chapter 2 of a technocratic surveillance state... and for that system to be fully installed and functioning, a lot of chaos needs to happen. Chaos that the majority of the masses have no issue taking part in. It's not just an issue of those "planted" by the system and pointing out obvious lies in the media.
If this was not made clear by all the events that transpired in 2020, I don't know what will do it.
The "please don't jail me, bobbies" coping is truly a disappointment. The fact that you lot are a defeated people who can't even tell this is a self-deluding cope is all the more disheartening. Has victory in war ever lead to so total a defeat as it has for the people of the Allied Powers? I very much doubt it. The old boy scoffing at AH's "A Last Appeal to Reason" would not be so smug today had he lived to see the fruits of "victory."
Not far right fed up
Bravo Rob. Most cogent distillation of this generational journey I’ve seen in one place. Thank you
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Sadiq Khan's infamous "terrorism is part and parcel of living in a modern city" statement is quite close to saying that.
I know I can always rely on Rob Ager for some well reasoned critical thinking and in depth analysis on cinema, and it seems his takes on politics are just as high quality and enlightening.
Cheers Rob!
There is no islamophobia. There is no phobia when threat is real. Read Quaran. Find out what Muhammad did and remember he's ultimate muslim and every other one has to follow him.
I know lots of christians and the content of the bible isn't very representative of their views and behaviour, so I'm not sure how much I would agree with that.
@@robag555 Thats because not everyone there is supposed to be role model. In christianity Jesus is ultimate one so its vastly difrent case from islam with their violent warlord of a prophet.
When chrisitan is violent you can always ask one if thats what would Jesus do but what will you tell to violent muslim who isnt doing anything his prophet (perfect muslim) wouldnt do?
@@robag555equating Jesus to Mohammed is depraved.
For years I had a deep respect for your content on filmmaking and analysis. I love critical thinking and unbiased views. I haven't watched in a looong - long while. I forgot your name and I been searching for a good four years for you. To find this randomly and for you to speak on this subject has also garnered my respect for you once more. Thank you. Much love from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA.
Uh oh! Rob’s had too much to think again!