Obi-Wan broke my heart in the Kenobi series when he saw Anakin's face after shattering Darth Vader's mask and he started crying and said "I'm sorry, Anakin... for all of it... I'm sorry". Ewan McGregor is a very powerful actor, and I never thought Obi-Wan was responsible for Anakin's downfall like he blamed himself for. Hayden Christiansen is also a very amazing actor. It's hard to believe that Anakin was his first acting role. I totally disagree with all the flak he got. I think he did a great job.
It wasn't his first acting role. Hayden Christiansen had done other acting roles prior to Star Wars. Off the top of my head he was in an episode of the original Goosebumps TV series from the 90's based on the children's book series of the same name. The episode was Night of the Living Dummy III.
100% how I see it too. His mind snapped after killing Windu and it just snow balled to the point where in his mind, he had no choice but to embrace “Vader”
To say they're different people or personalities within him is to completely nullify Anakin's arc and the journey he took from rising star, to fallen angel, to his redemption. If you take that route, then you're left with Anakin being a static one note good guy, and Vader being a static one note bad guy.
Sorry, but objective good and evil canonically exist in Star Wars, and canonically have the ability to warp people's minds and personalities. This isn't the real world where there is room for argument. The dark side twisted Anakin's mind and turned him into Vader. It's directly written that way in the story.
Anikan is a product of the force both light and dark. He is the chosen one , who brought balance. His journey from light to dark , to light to balance proves this
This is really just a roundabout way of explaining how and why different people were able to rationalize the difference between Anakin and Vader. Obi Wan couldn't operate with resolve and focus if a man he had known for much of his adult life and helped raise from a boy had become an evil and twisted menace. Luke had to believe that there was good in Vader and that Anakin could still come forward because he hadn't known either of them and wanted a father - especially his real father - to come into his life. The truth was somewhere in the middle. Vader was forged during the Clone Wars and people close to him didn't even realize it. He wasn't some distinct schizophrenic break or dark essence. He was a result of Anakin compromising higher principles and morals either to satisfy his own feelings or as a military leader. But even so, the good man he was remained - simply buried beneath guilt, lies, anger, and pain. The self-loathing is what allowed Vader to rise as a persona and Anakin to retreat.
All very true! IMO Anakin basically behaved like a spoiled brat throwing a bad tantrum... but on a sociopathic scale. I know it's much more complex than that... but I mean that was how it seemed to me to start. Like when he was complaining to Padmè about Obi-Wan in episode 2, I think and started pitching a fit screaming that Obi-Wan was jealous and holding him back and threw something. Yoda pinned it when he told Anakin attachment leads to jealousy and that was the "shadow of greed" & when he was a kid he went into how "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side ". His loss of his mother and inability to save her led him to fear losing Padmè and do anything to avoid it and imo set the ball rolling. I wonder if he hadn't lost his mom if he would've behaved differently regarding Padmè...
Leia was right, and I'm so sick of this BS. Vader and Anakin were literally always portrayed as the same person in the first 6 movies - that's the entire reason why Luke was frustrated with Obi-Wan for misleading him about who Vader really was. Fans and producers are just really uncomfortable with the child murder he did in episode 3, and so invented this entire moronic notion of separate identities. Anakin is like every other person out there, he has evil and goodness within him. It's great that he fulfilled his destiny at the end of his life, but that will never excuse the atrocities that he actively chose to commit every step of the way. Getting high off the dark side doesn't mean anything - we prosecute people that do crimes while drunk or intoxicated all the time irl.
Honestly, I think it is more along the lines of Anakin having been taught to suppress certain parts of himself while he was being trained as a jedi, and the aspects or traits he suppressed eventually ended up forming Vader. Thus, jedi Anakin and Vader were, therefore, each only half of the true Anakin Skywalker. They were the same person on some level but at the same time they were each incomplete, the first time you actually see a complete Anakin not counting when he was a child, is in the Asoka series when he and Asoka meet in the world between worlds I believe it was called. At that time he was essentially a merger of both Anakin and Vader.
When Vader said that he is killed Anakin. it is both telling Obiwan and to himself that bury Anakin. Vader is the dark side of Anakin and was always there. Vader hates Anakin for being weak to falling to the dark side and Vader refuses to play horse to King that weaker than himself(yes it is bleach reference)
Anikin was a casualty of the jedi and they're struggle against the sith I cant blame him as a person for what he did he was just trying to hold on to what was important to him he couldn't have known what lye in store for his future
He shouldn't have turned to the darkside though. And what's worse is that he was a total moron about it and continued to serve Sidious despite having no reason to continue doing so, after he found out that Padme died.
I don’t like how people say Vader and Anakin are completely different identities. They aren’t , Vader/ Anakin are the same man , Vader was always in Anakin just was brought to life when Anakin had lost everything. I don’t think Anakin was free from Vader for once and for good till his last living moments when he for once in his life fully accepted the light and saved his son.
Disney should have a scene where young anakin takes off his helmet, and you see his sith eyes, It would be even cooler if it was a chamber he can take his helmet off and practice his form with a light saber practicing form 2 and 3 reflecting on dooku and Obiwan.
I'm with Leah. We all have a good and evil side. That doesn't mean when we do evil we are free of responsibility once we start regretting our actions Anakin specifically pushes that notion that he as Vador is separate from and killed Anakin because he can't reconcile the conflict with in himself, but if Vador was a separate entity from Anakin and had killed Anakin there would be no conflict within him at all. Yet we know there is.
I think anakin has personality disorder and his force sensitivity didn’t help. I believe that he believed that anakin and Vader are two different people but as we all know it’s the same person in a suit. I can also say that since anakin believes that then it’s not far fetched to say that anakin was not responsible for order 66 or any acts committed by Vader, but Vader is really just Anakins alter ego for when he’s angry n puts the blame on that but if he has personality disorder than that disease dissolves any blame put on anakin because his brain can’t distinguish the 2 causing him to go insane making it in his mind easier to slaughter the younglins and turn obi wan n the Jedi
A lot of people misunderstand some characters saying that Anakin and Vader are 2 different people. They're not being literal or saying it's a split personality thing. What they meant was that the good man they knew became the Sith Lord the galaxy feared.
I actually identify with that paradigm very closely. I know exactly how Anakin (and Vader) feels. I have two, actually; a savage beast who's actually a "Good Guy" who gives me flashes of rage at injustice but is also the source of my love of Nature, and an "Evil Clown" pervert who makes The Joker look like a Boy Scout. It takes me most of my Will on a daily basis to keep them at bay. Meanwhile, I also understand where Leia is coming from. It's why on this world, when a violent crime is perpetrated by someone who is proven to have some flavor of Split Personality Disorder, they don't get sent to jail, but rather a high security psych ward. (Six of one, half-dozen of the other, they're still getting removed from society.)
i mean it doesn’t really matter if it is to sides as it is two sides of the same person as if he didn’t love or feel as he once did he would not have become a Sith as they are one in the same because it was an actual choice.a hard one and one under extreme circumstances but one he made as ultimately if he wasn’t sky walker he wouldn’t have turned or he would have for totally different reasons.if you call yourself a different name and were a mask in real life its not that your a different person as in fact in many cases you actually become more bold because you feel like no one knows it’s actually you.anything you project be it with control or without is still you like it or not as if it wasn’t then it would simply not be you this is why meditation exists and so on but ultimately if you are self aware of whatever your doing and you can change your actions and choose not to then it is in fact you regardless of why you do something unless you really don’t even recognize or realize you have done something. 6:30
And then Disney turned Obi-Wan into the biggest douche the entire Star Wars Universe had ever seen by letting one of the most dangerous entities live after beating Vader. That's what happens when you hire based on diversity and not talent or merit. Characters are as smart as the writers behind them, seeing how moronic both Kenobi and Thrawn were... that says a lot about Disney!
I see Vader as not a seperate person but simply a given name to the darkness inside him. Everyone in Star Wars and even real life has multiple sides to them. We see Darth Vader multiple times before his true fall. Anakin Skywalker just as any other person is complex and has many sides, Darth Vader is the given name for his side of darkness.
as complex as it sounds, they’re definitely they same individual. especially when u realize how the force works. there’s even dark lords who necessarily didn’t do evil w the darkness they felt in the pit of their stomach. anakin let himself fall to the dark side due to being weak towards manipulation, & using power to sort out most of his situations, since he was naturally strong in the force. as strong as he is, he was just as weak to words. he wasn’t meant to be the chosen, luke was. luke understood the closest to the balance of temptation & teetering between sides when influenced.
well you aren't meant to be the chosen one if you just aren't. I get in part what you mean by Luke being better fitting to that title, but as you know. The force works in mysterious ways
@@bruski894 thats the beauty of it. sidious felt anakin could be the one. he tried to get ahead of it, only to help birth the one from the vessel he tried to manipulate. i dont believe there is a one, just the product of ur choices when u try to break the natural cycle of the force. luke being the one in that moment is purely because he seen the complexities of the force in more simpler terms. he was really the only to get that close to understanding both sides. even tho other lords did explore both sides & thought they understood it too
Assuming they are two different personalities….in the mortis arc in clone wars when the brother turns anakin to the darkside. Is it dark side version of anakin or is Darth Vader being let out of his cage?
Alcoholics and addicts often become different people do horrible things in their addictions. We all hope that they find redemption and peace but that doesn’t absolve them of their crimes and misdeeds. Anakin doesn’t get to just say “it wasn’t really me” and walk away any more than the alcoholic/addict. Yes, he’s redeemed but not without consequence.
Vader is dark part of Anakin. Anakin was enslaved by dark side. Obi-Wan talks to Luke which such fondness about Anakin. Anakin wanted his family and friends always to be safe. Their meeting was indeed glorious. May the Force be with you too😊
This was the single most traumatic experience for both Anakin and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was literally weeping the entire time and for years later he was still traumatized to the point he forgotten who he was as a Jedi and a person. He wasn't "glad" because he never accepted Darth Vader and Anakin were separate beings the way Anakin kept correcting him over and over. That's the key takeaway, Anakin wanted to believe he had transformed but no one accepted that, not even himself entirely. Very misleading topic imo.
Vader is Anakin's "shadow" self, the Jungian archtype representing all the repressed parts of the person's psyche. Thanks to the Jedi, Anakin had to suppress and repress so much of himself. His shadow began to encompass all the things the Jedi taught him to deny himself, including the positive feelings he has for those he cared about. He'd already embraced his inner darkness because that's where they taught him to put his love. The Dark side showed him that he could keep his emotions and become even more powerful to protect his loved ones. But all things are a means to be exploited for power for the Sith. So he didn't realise all the sacrifices it asked of him until all he had left were his hate and pain. Then, finally, he succeeded in suppress all those things, the "good" in him that Luke saw, caged and protected by Vader.
I believe that Anakin suffered from multiple personalities , one ( Anakin ) was a selfless hero that would die for what he believes in . The other personality was Darth Vader , a selfish, brutal avatar of darkness . Anakin was born with Darth Vader inside of him . Just like the force itself , Anakin was light and dark . He was born as balance , he had to master both sides to fulfill his destiny .
For me personally I think Vader is a combination of dark side personalities all rolled into one. Where did Vader truly come from? Was Vader always in anakin? Or did Vader manifest through events? Attack of the clones Vader was present when anakin attacked the sand people. His speech to padme about hoping that the kiss he gave her doesn't become a scar. A mechanical menace similar to that of anakin in phantom menace. I think that angel line asking padme if she is an angel. Which applies that demons exist. Twin sun represents dual personality. Is Vader from tatooine. Revan came to that planet at least twice. Star map that leads to Star forge is out there in that dune sea. Whose to say that isnt Vader. Krayt dragons also reside on tatooine. That's the point I'm trying to make when trying to determine whether or not Vader and anakin are really one in the same.
My impression is that when a Sith kills another Sith, the life force of the dead Sith lives on in the killer. Hence the Sith rule of 2. The apprentice kills the master and in so doing the master lives on in the apprentice. This was actually the emperor’s plan in Rise of Skywalker. To be killed by either Ray or Ben and in so doing live on. Based on this, I think Darth Vader really was born when Anakin killed Count Docku. At least I think that was Palpatine’s plan, but Anakin was too strong and it was only later that Darth Vader was able to really take control.
i simply agree... i never saw anakin and vader as the same people. its almost like his identity and personality did a complete 180. that was not anakin on mustafar... that was somebody else entirely.
Anakin may have been conflicted but he was willing to let Obi-Wan to find a cave and meditate for the rest of his life so he did make the offer to let Obi-Wan just walk away of course obi would not do that but Anakin did make the offer
Anakin & Vader brought balance to the force together. Not because the force chose him, because the jedi forced him. Anakin wanted to be a Jedi, but Vader did not want to be the chosen one.
How many times does this man say Vader and Anakin are not the same. Video could have been 3 minutes and got the same point across and been a lot more concise.
Why do the Jedi never take any responsibility for Anakin becoming Darth Vader? If not for their failure to acknowledge his abilities, accomplishments, and opinions it would have been much more difficult for Palpatine to exploit the strained relationship between Anakin and the council.
To be honest, Anakin didn’t fully become Vader until he got news of Padme’s death. Or more accurately, it was at that time that he mentally painted the narrative of his dichotomous personality. Up until the moment he used the Force against his wife, he could justify everything he did as being for Padme; to save Padme. And, thinking he was responsible for her death, he told himself that it wasn’t Anakin who did all that, that it was actually Vader. But by exempting himself from responsibility, he forfeited his own agency. He saw himself as powerless before this Vader personality he thought he had. He despised himself, but felt hopeless to be anything but a monster.
karma is a b*tch!! same person but vader is given in to the ontoxication of the dark side. obi wan told luke it was "a certain point of view" it's just a mental construct to help deal with things, but is just defense mechanism/denial. when you love a person with faults or even some evil traits your mind won't let you see it. Distanced slightly, Yoda and Qui-Gon would perceive the full truth I'm sure.
@trevturp6891 all those shows have alot of plot holes inconsistencies continuity problems and some are very poorly written, the 2003 Clone wars fit with George Lucas 1-6 far better than filoni 2008 clone wars
There was a ton of Jedi only 2 sith. Then Anakin & Palpatine killed almost all of the Jedi off. At the end of Revenge of the Sith in 2005 there were basically only 4 known force users. Palpatine & Vader. Obi-Wan & Yoda. Sounds like Anakin brought balance to the force. Maybe the Jedi through their arrogance and ignorance assumed that the prophecy was a positive for the Jedi.
Darth Vader is my new profile picture, for now ive done away Six from Little Nightmares 😈 Darth Vader is now the face of my comments made and likes placed!
Why do people try to mix legends and Cannon. They are two Separate things. You can't put legends stuff into cannon. Legends is just theories and fan fiction.
You guys act like people don’t change for the worse 🤦🏽♂️ Anakin and “Vader” are the same … He was a slave, Taken from his mother, Forced to be a Jedi when he wasn’t indoctrinated young enough to not have attachments beyond his training. Gaslit, and mocked all the same, Had to hide his marriage from the counsel, all while being groomed, Enticed and Manipulated by the chancellor. He is impatient, ill tempered and Overconfident all while having a sense of morality but when Anakin is angry, All that morality seems to get thrown out the window. He wanted to save padme but he knew he couldn’t so his only choice was to learn the nature of the darkside which seemed like his only hope. All for padme to die anyway and apparently to him, His Child. Obi-wan cut all his of his extremities off and left him to burn. He survives artificially, Only to suffer and be a slave once more. What else does he have but his anger? What else does he have but his hate? It’s not a split personality but a person who was already short tempered and on more than one occasion, Let that anger take hold of you him before ever becoming darth vader that had just lost everything. If that doesn’t turn you into a monster, I don’t know what will.
No, Vader is Anakin, or at least a part of Anakin, and always has been. Anything else is a way to help him escape any accountability for his terrible decisions and abhorrent actions. He never reached his potential as a Jedi, or a Sith and failed as both. He was too conflicted and easily ruled by his emotions and selfishness.
You speak like there is a definitive answer, the truth would likely be somewhere in between. We are not our sins but we are responsible for them, 'the sins of the father are not the sins of the son." so to speak. That to me is the real truth behind Anakin's redemption. Luke did not have to follow the same path and was able to redeem his father because of it. There are no absolutes though when it comes to things like this because so much is out personal outlook on it.
You often do videos that make no sense, like "why yoda hated dooku light saber" or this very same one, if Obi wan were glad Anakin burned he would not be a jedi to begin with, nor Yoda if he hated anything, do you know anything at all of star wars? pathetic.
So basically a grown man is not responsible for his actions. In real life , some psychopaths have split personalities and they blame their other personality for their crimes.
Unless there is a mental condition that doesn't let an individual make rational decisions then everyone is responsible for their own actions. To not blame anakin for his actions is unreasonable for me.
Ive always thought the dichotomy was purely symbolic. Something Vader needed so he could come to grips with what he uas done and why. They ARE the same person. As Vader he couldn’t admit he made mistakes. As Anakin he could. This to me was what was confirmed and conveyed in Ashoka. Not only could Luke forgive Anakin, but because of Luke Anakin could forgive himself. Vader is Anakin’s darkside, not unlike when we saw Yoda’s dark side in Clone Wars. Just given a name. Not a different entity, but a part of Yoda that he needed to acknowledge, not fear, but also keep at bay. Anakin lost that fight on the night of order 66, but thanks to Luke (and Obi-wan) was able to do the same. At least thats what I think. What Luke was doing was “hate the sin, not the sinner”.
This is right. It was all a matter of coping with the Darkside. In the end this is true for us in this Galaxy too. The hero and the shadow. Or, to put in another context, the flesh and spirit. Good and Evil, Sin and Sinless can exist in the same person. It is the struggle of our existence. Let us remember that none of us are as far removed from Vader as we think.
Honestly, I think it is more along the lines of Anakin having been taught to suppress certain parts of himself while he was being trained as a jedi, and the aspects or traits he suppressed eventually ended up forming Vader. Thus, jedi Anakin and Vader were, therefore, each only half of the true Anakin Skywalker. They were the same person on some level but at the same time they were each incomplete, the first time you actually see a complete Anakin not counting when he was a child, is in the Asoka series when he and Asoka meet in the world between worlds I believe it was called. At that time he was essentially a merger of both Anakin and Vader. This is just my opinion so you can disagree if you don't actually think the same way.
I say they are both a creation of the dark side of Anakin and two different people. Yes Anakin did terrible things as Darth Vader should be held accountable for but he was also tricked and twisted by the Sith along fearfully misunderstood by the Jedi themselves so he should be giving some pity. One man with two different personas in the Ashoka we in away see what happens if Anakin learned to master both while being better in the after life.
Is Lucifer and Satan the same individual? To paraphrase Lucas: “Luke (and Leia) were born with the same potential, and the same capacity to do good or evil.” It all comes down to the choices we make. Lucifer was greatest amongst the his angelic peers. His knowledge of that became his flaw. A flaw that eventually led him to turn on his peers. He was cast out of the highest heaven by his peers for that reason. And over time, that ate away at him. He became twisted into the entity that we call Satan. In Christian tradition, Lucifer was cast down to Hell and was changed into horrendous and icon image of Satan. Lucas drew inspiration from that for Anakin \ Vader’s character arch and fall. A little bit of Vader always lived in Anakin and a little bit of Anakin lived in Vader. But Anakin didn’t truly become Darth Vader as we know him until his transformation between the loss of his limbs and the burns to being imprisoned by the suit, which prevented the chance of any meaningful healing. This image of himself, was a constant reminder for him that he was no longer Anakin, that Anakin had died on Mustafar, which looked like Hell for that reason. Obi-Wan viewed it similar, except that hurt was still there connecting Anakin and what he did to Vader. So he got his son trained to kill his father for him, because he couldn’t bring himself to do it.
Nahh they are the same person. What is the message there? That Anakin is blameless despite choosing to side with Palpatine, slaughter children, kill his friends? What about when he killed an unarmed duku and a distracted mace? That was all Anakin making horrible dissensions. He wasn't even drunk on the dark side yet.
I hate this interpretation. Of course it is within the nature of every person to be driven mad by power and passion. That's why the Dark Side is seductive. The tale of Darth Vader is a lot less meaningful if it's not Anakin looking out through that mask.
vader and Anakin are still the same physical person. and Anakin never had split personality disorder lmao. and i don't think you can just say Darth Vader is just the force taken over awakens body because Anakin or Darth Vader, still wanted the things Anakin wanted. the whole reason he became Darth Vader was to achieve what Anakin wanted to achieve. so its not just a malicious force taking over his body to use for his own needs. they are the same. I would just call Darth Vader Anakin's darker half
【Shades Finnish Pirates】The reason was what i thought, little bit click baity video title and kinda degrading. "Oh Obi wan did not giggle as Anakin burned, he was rather glad only that the image of his former padawn was erased from the new dark entity called Darth Vader that he could not bring himself to kill and how could i not see that?" You underestimate my connection to the force, i am a christian and these stories hit deep so understanding the characters do so too so 1x person proved title misleading thus far. Mr G. Lucas wanted to make people interested in spiritual again with his movies, in my case he succeeded and these are not simple concepts to throw around at very least not ones for making assumption that the viewer has a lesser way of thinking about the movies on the title.
I don’t like the splitting of people into “identities” like this in stories. It removes characters agencies. Anakin did what he did for his reasons and knowingly.
Guys, if it wasn't always in him, he wouldn't have committed genocide on the sand people as well. We're talking about a pattern of behavior here. To say that it wasn't always in him, or that he's entirely separate from that kind of energy doesn't make sense and it's basically just being an apologist for some forms of mass murder but not others.
I think Vader is the coping mechanism for Anakin after cutting Mace Windus hand off. He needs to accept the persona of Darth Vader in this moment, because the Anakin-part in him wants to save padme. And if he didn't, Palpatine would have killed him right after Mace windu. But in this moment he let the darkness and the power of the dark side enter his heart, which is like being possessed by a demon. You couldn't blame a possessed child (in a horror movie) for all the things he did while the demon was in him, before the exorcist turned him back. Same with Vader. Yes, it's still Anakin. Not two different persons, but one body, with two souls. Or Anakins soul, possessed by a dark side demon
In my opinion, the Anakin in the Asoka series is more of a complete Anakin, while the jedi Anakin and Vader both seemed to be half of who he really was. What I mean by that is the training that he received as a jedi had him suppressing certain parts of himself that would eventually become Vader, but when he and Asoka met again in the live action series, he had been able to join the 2 sides of himself and become whole, something that he hadn't been since he was a child. This is just my opinion and how I look at it so I can understand if you don't agree.
Something that I liked about the novelization of RotS is that in the end is that Anakin realized that he had been Vader and the dragon the entire time.
This is covered in the Bad Batch I think. Seems like the order only worked for a limited time. After that many clones seemed to question their culpability regarding the order and end up going AWOL
Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on this one Luke. Anakin is responsible for his own actions. You can't just excuse someone for mass murder because they're on the dark side. In that case you might as well excuse every Sith. SMH.
To me, Vader is a reflection of the darkness within Anakin's heart due to his fear, anger, & hatred! Vader is like the Yang to Anakin's Yin, with them being two sides of a greater whole! There is a little bit of Vader in Anakin & vice versa!
Vader WASN'T ALWAYS there. He was slowly created over time. By a mix of events an not just his own actions but those of those round him as well. In Sideous deliberately an the likes of them like Mace an Obi wan. Something Kenobi would come to be painfully aware of in time. The SEEDS of Vader was ALWAYS there however. EVERYONE has some kind of Darkside. Given the right or stronger counter pushing an Anakin coulda become one of the Greatest Jedi Warrior Masters ever seen instead of one of the Greatest Sith an Jedi killers
I always wondered if they would say Vader was The Son who took over a portion of Anakin and he was losing an internal fight within his mind. We know Ahsoka is connected with the daughter.
Obi-Wan broke my heart in the Kenobi series when he saw Anakin's face after shattering Darth Vader's mask and he started crying and said "I'm sorry, Anakin... for all of it... I'm sorry". Ewan McGregor is a very powerful actor, and I never thought Obi-Wan was responsible for Anakin's downfall like he blamed himself for. Hayden Christiansen is also a very amazing actor. It's hard to believe that Anakin was his first acting role. I totally disagree with all the flak he got. I think he did a great job.
" I am not your Failure, Obiwan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker I did " - Darth Vader
It wasn't his first acting role. Hayden Christiansen had done other acting roles prior to Star Wars. Off the top of my head he was in an episode of the original Goosebumps TV series from the 90's based on the children's book series of the same name. The episode was Night of the Living Dummy III.
I guess at that point Obi Wan truly saw him as a pathetic life form and for a while Sidious probably agreed yeah.
I mean obiwan literally called anakin a pathetic life form in phantom menace so....blud had a little arrogance to him
@@BenAri18when? I just saw that movie he never says that lol
@@slime8177 "Why do I sense that we've picked up another pathetic life form" referring to anakin
@@BenAri18 ah I stand corrected
@@BenAri18he was talking about Jar-Jar im almost positive
i personally see the vader personality as a defence mechanism anakins mind created to cope what hes done
It is, I don't know why people think that Vader is a different person
@@dankdynamic5832same
you know... that makes more sense, actually..
@@dankdynamic5832because the dark side corrupts and consumes so he is no longer Anakin
100% how I see it too. His mind snapped after killing Windu and it just snow balled to the point where in his mind, he had no choice but to embrace “Vader”
To say they're different people or personalities within him is to completely nullify Anakin's arc and the journey he took from rising star, to fallen angel, to his redemption.
If you take that route, then you're left with Anakin being a static one note good guy, and Vader being a static one note bad guy.
Ya. I've never liked the talk like they are literally two different people
@@jasonjenkins8910they are. Anakin fell and died and Vader rose from his death....
Sorry, but objective good and evil canonically exist in Star Wars, and canonically have the ability to warp people's minds and personalities. This isn't the real world where there is room for argument. The dark side twisted Anakin's mind and turned him into Vader. It's directly written that way in the story.
Anikan is a product of the force both light and dark. He is the chosen one , who brought balance. His journey from light to dark , to light to balance proves this
As hero , Anakin carried around darkness with him .
As a Dark Lord of the Sith , Vader carried a bit of the light .
This is really just a roundabout way of explaining how and why different people were able to rationalize the difference between Anakin and Vader. Obi Wan couldn't operate with resolve and focus if a man he had known for much of his adult life and helped raise from a boy had become an evil and twisted menace. Luke had to believe that there was good in Vader and that Anakin could still come forward because he hadn't known either of them and wanted a father - especially his real father - to come into his life. The truth was somewhere in the middle. Vader was forged during the Clone Wars and people close to him didn't even realize it. He wasn't some distinct schizophrenic break or dark essence. He was a result of Anakin compromising higher principles and morals either to satisfy his own feelings or as a military leader. But even so, the good man he was remained - simply buried beneath guilt, lies, anger, and pain. The self-loathing is what allowed Vader to rise as a persona and Anakin to retreat.
All very true! IMO Anakin basically behaved like a spoiled brat throwing a bad tantrum... but on a sociopathic scale. I know it's much more complex than that... but I mean that was how it seemed to me to start. Like when he was complaining to Padmè about Obi-Wan in episode 2, I think and started pitching a fit screaming that Obi-Wan was jealous and holding him back and threw something. Yoda pinned it when he told Anakin attachment leads to jealousy and that was the "shadow of greed" & when he was a kid he went into how "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side ". His loss of his mother and inability to save her led him to fear losing Padmè and do anything to avoid it and imo set the ball rolling. I wonder if he hadn't lost his mom if he would've behaved differently regarding Padmè...
Leia was right, and I'm so sick of this BS. Vader and Anakin were literally always portrayed as the same person in the first 6 movies - that's the entire reason why Luke was frustrated with Obi-Wan for misleading him about who Vader really was.
Fans and producers are just really uncomfortable with the child murder he did in episode 3, and so invented this entire moronic notion of separate identities.
Anakin is like every other person out there, he has evil and goodness within him. It's great that he fulfilled his destiny at the end of his life, but that will never excuse the atrocities that he actively chose to commit every step of the way.
Getting high off the dark side doesn't mean anything - we prosecute people that do crimes while drunk or intoxicated all the time irl.
The fans didn't invent this entire moronic notion of separate identities. It was invented in Rebels.
Anakin and Darth Vader are the exact same person.
Honestly, I think it is more along the lines of Anakin having been taught to suppress certain parts of himself while he was being trained as a jedi, and the aspects or traits he suppressed eventually ended up forming Vader. Thus, jedi Anakin and Vader were, therefore, each only half of the true Anakin Skywalker. They were the same person on some level but at the same time they were each incomplete, the first time you actually see a complete Anakin not counting when he was a child, is in the Asoka series when he and Asoka meet in the world between worlds I believe it was called. At that time he was essentially a merger of both Anakin and Vader.
More like Vader is Anakin at his hour of weakness.
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i have always seen it as a combination of them all
When Vader said that he is killed Anakin. it is both telling Obiwan and to himself that bury Anakin. Vader is the dark side of Anakin and was always there. Vader hates Anakin for being weak to falling to the dark side and Vader refuses to play horse to King that weaker than himself(yes it is bleach reference)
Anikin was a casualty of the jedi and they're struggle against the sith I cant blame him as a person for what he did he was just trying to hold on to what was important to him he couldn't have known what lye in store for his future
He shouldn't have turned to the darkside though. And what's worse is that he was a total moron about it and continued to serve Sidious despite having no reason to continue doing so, after he found out that Padme died.
I don’t like how people say Vader and Anakin are completely different identities. They aren’t , Vader/ Anakin are the same man , Vader was always in Anakin just was brought to life when Anakin had lost everything. I don’t think Anakin was free from Vader for once and for good till his last living moments when he for once in his life fully accepted the light and saved his son.
Disney should have a scene where young anakin takes off his helmet, and you see his sith eyes,
It would be even cooler if it was a chamber he can take his helmet off and practice his form with a light saber practicing form 2 and 3 reflecting on dooku and Obiwan.
I'm with Leah. We all have a good and evil side. That doesn't mean when we do evil we are free of responsibility once we start regretting our actions Anakin specifically pushes that notion that he as Vador is separate from and killed Anakin because he can't reconcile the conflict with in himself, but if Vador was a separate entity from Anakin and had killed Anakin there would be no conflict within him at all. Yet we know there is.
You do anything for love one and Vader was always their in ankin but in the End of it all a son love for his father brings ankin back to the light
When it come to mental it's always a tricky thing
I think anakin has personality disorder and his force sensitivity didn’t help. I believe that he believed that anakin and Vader are two different people but as we all know it’s the same person in a suit. I can also say that since anakin believes that then it’s not far fetched to say that anakin was not responsible for order 66 or any acts committed by Vader, but Vader is really just Anakins alter ego for when he’s angry n puts the blame on that but if he has personality disorder than that disease dissolves any blame put on anakin because his brain can’t distinguish the 2 causing him to go insane making it in his mind easier to slaughter the younglins and turn obi wan n the Jedi
A lot of people misunderstand some characters saying that Anakin and Vader are 2 different people. They're not being literal or saying it's a split personality thing. What they meant was that the good man they knew became the Sith Lord the galaxy feared.
I actually identify with that paradigm very closely. I know exactly how Anakin (and Vader) feels. I have two, actually; a savage beast who's actually a "Good Guy" who gives me flashes of rage at injustice but is also the source of my love of Nature, and an "Evil Clown" pervert who makes The Joker look like a Boy Scout. It takes me most of my Will on a daily basis to keep them at bay.
Meanwhile, I also understand where Leia is coming from. It's why on this world, when a violent crime is perpetrated by someone who is proven to have some flavor of Split Personality Disorder, they don't get sent to jail, but rather a high security psych ward. (Six of one, half-dozen of the other, they're still getting removed from society.)
i mean it doesn’t really matter if it is to sides as it is two sides of the same person as if he didn’t love or feel as he once did he would not have become a Sith as they are one in the same because it was an actual choice.a hard one and one under extreme circumstances but one he made as ultimately if he wasn’t sky walker he wouldn’t have turned or he would have for totally different reasons.if you call yourself a different name and were a mask in real life its not that your a different person as in fact in many cases you actually become more bold because you feel like no one knows it’s actually you.anything you project be it with control or without is still you like it or not as if it wasn’t then it would simply not be you this is why meditation exists and so on but ultimately if you are self aware of whatever your doing and you can change your actions and choose not to then it is in fact you regardless of why you do something unless you really don’t even recognize or realize you have done something. 6:30
And then Disney turned Obi-Wan into the biggest douche the entire Star Wars Universe had ever seen by letting one of the most dangerous entities live after beating Vader.
That's what happens when you hire based on diversity and not talent or merit. Characters are as smart as the writers behind them, seeing how moronic both Kenobi and Thrawn were... that says a lot about Disney!
there's an agenda of promoting madness/hysteria/indecisiveness, clearly.
I see Vader as not a seperate person but simply a given name to the darkness inside him. Everyone in Star Wars and even real life has multiple sides to them. We see Darth Vader multiple times before his true fall. Anakin Skywalker just as any other person is complex and has many sides, Darth Vader is the given name for his side of darkness.
In the Revenge of the Sith novel, Anakin himself realizes there was no dragon and no Vader. There was only Anakin all along.
as complex as it sounds, they’re definitely they same individual. especially when u realize how the force works. there’s even dark lords who necessarily didn’t do evil w the darkness they felt in the pit of their stomach. anakin let himself fall to the dark side due to being weak towards manipulation, & using power to sort out most of his situations, since he was naturally strong in the force. as strong as he is, he was just as weak to words. he wasn’t meant to be the chosen, luke was. luke understood the closest to the balance of temptation & teetering between sides when influenced.
well you aren't meant to be the chosen one if you just aren't. I get in part what you mean by Luke being better fitting to that title, but as you know. The force works in mysterious ways
@@bruski894 thats the beauty of it. sidious felt anakin could be the one. he tried to get ahead of it, only to help birth the one from the vessel he tried to manipulate. i dont believe there is a one, just the product of ur choices when u try to break the natural cycle of the force. luke being the one in that moment is purely because he seen the complexities of the force in more simpler terms. he was really the only to get that close to understanding both sides. even tho other lords did explore both sides & thought they understood it too
We all have a dark side. You choose which side you allow to be in control at the end of the day.
Shaggy: Killed all the younglings
Vader/Anakin: wasn't me
Assuming they are two different personalities….in the mortis arc in clone wars when the brother turns anakin to the darkside. Is it dark side version of anakin or is Darth Vader being let out of his cage?
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Alcoholics and addicts often become different people do horrible things in their addictions. We all hope that they find redemption and peace but that doesn’t absolve them of their crimes and misdeeds. Anakin doesn’t get to just say “it wasn’t really me” and walk away any more than the alcoholic/addict. Yes, he’s redeemed but not without consequence.
Yes, as it should be
Vader was ALWAYS there. Don't forget the Vader shadow that young Annakin cast on Tatooine. The Force has an agenda.
Okay now I really want to see the Obi Wan series.
I've seen it. It's good
Vader is dark part of Anakin. Anakin was enslaved by dark side. Obi-Wan talks to Luke which such fondness about Anakin. Anakin wanted his family and friends always to be safe. Their meeting was indeed glorious. May the Force be with you too😊
This was the single most traumatic experience for both Anakin and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was literally weeping the entire time and for years later he was still traumatized to the point he forgotten who he was as a Jedi and a person. He wasn't "glad" because he never accepted Darth Vader and Anakin were separate beings the way Anakin kept correcting him over and over. That's the key takeaway, Anakin wanted to believe he had transformed but no one accepted that, not even himself entirely. Very misleading topic imo.
Vader is Anakin's "shadow" self, the Jungian archtype representing all the repressed parts of the person's psyche. Thanks to the Jedi, Anakin had to suppress and repress so much of himself. His shadow began to encompass all the things the Jedi taught him to deny himself, including the positive feelings he has for those he cared about. He'd already embraced his inner darkness because that's where they taught him to put his love. The Dark side showed him that he could keep his emotions and become even more powerful to protect his loved ones. But all things are a means to be exploited for power for the Sith. So he didn't realise all the sacrifices it asked of him until all he had left were his hate and pain. Then, finally, he succeeded in suppress all those things, the "good" in him that Luke saw, caged and protected by Vader.
What I really want to know is why Obi Wan didn't pull Anakin/Vader up the hill a little bit just out of sheer Mercy.
I have to wonder... If Luke had been tortured and interogated by Vader... Would he have felt as Leia does?
Man if only we could have gotten a series where they go in depth with who vader is? Oh wait...
I believe that Anakin suffered from multiple personalities , one ( Anakin ) was a selfless hero that would die for what he believes in .
The other personality was Darth Vader , a selfish, brutal avatar of darkness .
Anakin was born with Darth Vader inside of him .
Just like the force itself , Anakin was light and dark .
He was born as balance , he had to master both sides to fulfill his destiny .
For me personally I think Vader is a combination of dark side personalities all rolled into one. Where did Vader truly come from? Was Vader always in anakin? Or did Vader manifest through events? Attack of the clones Vader was present when anakin attacked the sand people. His speech to padme about hoping that the kiss he gave her doesn't become a scar. A mechanical menace similar to that of anakin in phantom menace. I think that angel line asking padme if she is an angel. Which applies that demons exist. Twin sun represents dual personality. Is Vader from tatooine. Revan came to that planet at least twice. Star map that leads to Star forge is out there in that dune sea. Whose to say that isnt Vader. Krayt dragons also reside on tatooine. That's the point I'm trying to make when trying to determine whether or not Vader and anakin are really one in the same.
My impression is that when a Sith kills another Sith, the life force of the dead Sith lives on in the killer. Hence the Sith rule of 2. The apprentice kills the master and in so doing the master lives on in the apprentice.
This was actually the emperor’s plan in Rise of Skywalker. To be killed by either Ray or Ben and in so doing live on.
Based on this, I think Darth Vader really was born when Anakin killed Count Docku. At least I think that was Palpatine’s plan, but Anakin was too strong and it was only later that Darth Vader was able to really take control.
i simply agree... i never saw anakin and vader as the same people. its almost like his identity and personality did a complete 180. that was not anakin on mustafar... that was somebody else entirely.
different identities
Anakin may have been conflicted but he was willing to let Obi-Wan to find a cave and meditate for the rest of his life so he did make the offer to let Obi-Wan just walk away of course obi would not do that but Anakin did make the offer
Anakin & Vader brought balance to the force together. Not because the force chose him, because the jedi forced him. Anakin wanted to be a Jedi, but Vader did not want to be the chosen one.
I believe that Vader is a “Force demon” possessing Anakin.
I feel like trying to pin Vader's sins on 'another entity' kind of cheapens the whole character arc, the rise fall and redemption.
How many times does this man say Vader and Anakin are not the same. Video could have been 3 minutes and got the same point across and been a lot more concise.
Why do the Jedi never take any responsibility for Anakin becoming Darth Vader? If not for their failure to acknowledge his abilities, accomplishments, and opinions it would have been much more difficult for Palpatine to exploit the strained relationship between Anakin and the council.
To be honest, Anakin didn’t fully become Vader until he got news of Padme’s death. Or more accurately, it was at that time that he mentally painted the narrative of his dichotomous personality.
Up until the moment he used the Force against his wife, he could justify everything he did as being for Padme; to save Padme. And, thinking he was responsible for her death, he told himself that it wasn’t Anakin who did all that, that it was actually Vader.
But by exempting himself from responsibility, he forfeited his own agency. He saw himself as powerless before this Vader personality he thought he had. He despised himself, but felt hopeless to be anything but a monster.
Anakin and Darth are the same person, PERIOD!
karma is a b*tch!! same person but vader is given in to the ontoxication of the dark side. obi wan told luke it was "a certain point of view" it's just a mental construct to help deal with things, but is just defense mechanism/denial. when you love a person with faults or even some evil traits your mind won't let you see it. Distanced slightly, Yoda and Qui-Gon would perceive the full truth I'm sure.
There's no such of thing as "legends" There's the EU Disney star wars isn't true star wars
I except legends not Disney. As far as I'm concerned nothing Disney has done is cannon.
What about TCW Season 7, Andor, Rebels, Rogue One, Solo, and Mando Seasons 1 and 2?
@trevturp6891 all those shows have alot of plot holes inconsistencies continuity problems and some are very poorly written, the 2003 Clone wars fit with George Lucas 1-6 far better than filoni 2008 clone wars
There was a ton of Jedi only 2 sith. Then Anakin & Palpatine killed almost all of the Jedi off. At the end of Revenge of the Sith in 2005 there were basically only 4 known force users. Palpatine & Vader. Obi-Wan & Yoda. Sounds like Anakin brought balance to the force. Maybe the Jedi through their arrogance and ignorance assumed that the prophecy was a positive for the Jedi.
Darth Vader is my new profile picture, for now ive done away Six from Little Nightmares 😈
Darth Vader is now the face of my comments made and likes placed!
Why do people try to mix legends and Cannon. They are two Separate things. You can't put legends stuff into cannon. Legends is just theories and fan fiction.
You guys act like people don’t change for the worse 🤦🏽♂️ Anakin and “Vader” are the same … He was a slave, Taken from his mother, Forced to be a Jedi when he wasn’t indoctrinated young enough to not have attachments beyond his training. Gaslit, and mocked all the same, Had to hide his marriage from the counsel, all while being groomed, Enticed and Manipulated by the chancellor. He is impatient, ill tempered and Overconfident all while having a sense of morality but when Anakin is angry, All that morality seems to get thrown out the window. He wanted to save padme but he knew he couldn’t so his only choice was to learn the nature of the darkside which seemed like his only hope. All for padme to die anyway and apparently to him, His Child. Obi-wan cut all his of his extremities off and left him to burn. He survives artificially, Only to suffer and be a slave once more. What else does he have but his anger? What else does he have but his hate? It’s not a split personality but a person who was already short tempered and on more than one occasion, Let that anger take hold of you him before ever becoming darth vader that had just lost everything. If that doesn’t turn you into a monster, I don’t know what will.
I am what you made me.
Then it’s disassociative identity disorder?
Anakin Skywalker never existed it was always Darth Vader remember that Anakin was a creation of the force itself the dark side of the force
Identity disorder we can't blame him we all will do things for love no matter the cost....
We can blame him, his reasoning for turning to the dark side, doesn’t excuse his actions.
They are a different point of view of the same person.
No, Vader is Anakin, or at least a part of Anakin, and always has been. Anything else is a way to help him escape any accountability for his terrible decisions and abhorrent actions. He never reached his potential as a Jedi, or a Sith and failed as both. He was too conflicted and easily ruled by his emotions and selfishness.
You speak like there is a definitive answer, the truth would likely be somewhere in between. We are not our sins but we are responsible for them, 'the sins of the father are not the sins of the son." so to speak. That to me is the real truth behind Anakin's redemption. Luke did not have to follow the same path and was able to redeem his father because of it. There are no absolutes though when it comes to things like this because so much is out personal outlook on it.
You often do videos that make no sense, like "why yoda hated dooku light saber" or this very same one, if Obi wan were glad Anakin burned he would not be a jedi to begin with, nor Yoda if he hated anything, do you know anything at all of star wars? pathetic.
Typical borderline personality
So basically a grown man is not responsible for his actions. In real life , some psychopaths have split personalities and they blame their other personality for their crimes.
You know who really needs to be held accountable for their actions!!! The banking clan!!! 😀😀😀
Bro does not understand nuance
@@generalyoda8325 I wasn't talking about Star Wars 😁
@@FozBrah Did you know that banking actually traces back to the Knights Templar?
Unless there is a mental condition that doesn't let an individual make rational decisions then everyone is responsible for their own actions. To not blame anakin for his actions is unreasonable for me.
Anakin's worst nightmare would be drowning in quick sand. Burning was easy for him
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I don’t man… that lava gravel looked coarse and rough and irritating…
@@GGBlaster you gotta point
Fuck this title is dark as hell
Ive always thought the dichotomy was purely symbolic. Something Vader needed so he could come to grips with what he uas done and why.
They ARE the same person. As Vader he couldn’t admit he made mistakes. As Anakin he could. This to me was what was confirmed and conveyed in Ashoka. Not only could Luke forgive Anakin, but because of Luke Anakin could forgive himself.
Vader is Anakin’s darkside, not unlike when we saw Yoda’s dark side in Clone Wars. Just given a name. Not a different entity, but a part of Yoda that he needed to acknowledge, not fear, but also keep at bay. Anakin lost that fight on the night of order 66, but thanks to Luke (and Obi-wan) was able to do the same.
At least thats what I think. What Luke was doing was “hate the sin, not the sinner”.
This is right.
It was all a matter of coping with the Darkside. In the end this is true for us in this Galaxy too. The hero and the shadow. Or, to put in another context, the flesh and spirit. Good and Evil, Sin and Sinless can exist in the same person. It is the struggle of our existence. Let us remember that none of us are as far removed from Vader as we think.
Honestly, I think it is more along the lines of Anakin having been taught to suppress certain parts of himself while he was being trained as a jedi, and the aspects or traits he suppressed eventually ended up forming Vader. Thus, jedi Anakin and Vader were, therefore, each only half of the true Anakin Skywalker. They were the same person on some level but at the same time they were each incomplete, the first time you actually see a complete Anakin not counting when he was a child, is in the Asoka series when he and Asoka meet in the world between worlds I believe it was called. At that time he was essentially a merger of both Anakin and Vader. This is just my opinion so you can disagree if you don't actually think the same way.
I say they are both a creation of the dark side of Anakin and two different people. Yes Anakin did terrible things as Darth Vader should be held accountable for but he was also tricked and twisted by the Sith along fearfully misunderstood by the Jedi themselves so he should be giving some pity. One man with two different personas in the Ashoka we in away see what happens if Anakin learned to master both while being better in the after life.
Is Lucifer and Satan the same individual?
To paraphrase Lucas:
“Luke (and Leia) were born with the same potential, and the same capacity to do good or evil.” It all comes down to the choices we make.
Lucifer was greatest amongst the his angelic peers. His knowledge of that became his flaw. A flaw that eventually led him to turn on his peers. He was cast out of the highest heaven by his peers for that reason. And over time, that ate away at him. He became twisted into the entity that we call Satan. In Christian tradition, Lucifer was cast down to Hell and was changed into horrendous and icon image of Satan.
Lucas drew inspiration from that for Anakin \ Vader’s character arch and fall. A little bit of Vader always lived in Anakin and a little bit of Anakin lived in Vader. But Anakin didn’t truly become Darth Vader as we know him until his transformation between the loss of his limbs and the burns to being imprisoned by the suit, which prevented the chance of any meaningful healing. This image of himself, was a constant reminder for him that he was no longer Anakin, that Anakin had died on Mustafar, which looked like Hell for that reason. Obi-Wan viewed it similar, except that hurt was still there connecting Anakin and what he did to Vader.
So he got his son trained to kill his father for him, because he couldn’t bring himself to do it.
Nahh they are the same person. What is the message there? That Anakin is blameless despite choosing to side with Palpatine, slaughter children, kill his friends? What about when he killed an unarmed duku and a distracted mace? That was all Anakin making horrible dissensions. He wasn't even drunk on the dark side yet.
I hate this interpretation. Of course it is within the nature of every person to be driven mad by power and passion. That's why the Dark Side is seductive. The tale of Darth Vader is a lot less meaningful if it's not Anakin looking out through that mask.
I think you should do a video contrasting Luke's views between Anakin/Vader and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus.
Amazing.
vader and Anakin are still the same physical person. and Anakin never had split personality disorder lmao. and i don't think you can just say Darth Vader is just the force taken over awakens body because Anakin or Darth Vader, still wanted the things Anakin wanted. the whole reason he became Darth Vader was to achieve what Anakin wanted to achieve. so its not just a malicious force taking over his body to use for his own needs. they are the same. I would just call Darth Vader Anakin's darker half
【Shades Finnish Pirates】The reason was what i thought, little bit click baity video title and kinda degrading. "Oh Obi wan did not giggle as Anakin burned, he was rather glad only that the image of his former padawn was erased from the new dark entity called Darth Vader that he could not bring himself to kill and how could i not see that?" You underestimate my connection to the force, i am a christian and these stories hit deep so understanding the characters do so too so 1x person proved title misleading thus far. Mr G. Lucas wanted to make people interested in spiritual again with his movies, in my case he succeeded and these are not simple concepts to throw around at very least not ones for making assumption that the viewer has a lesser way of thinking about the movies on the title.
I don’t like the splitting of people into “identities” like this in stories. It removes characters agencies. Anakin did what he did for his reasons and knowingly.
Guys, if it wasn't always in him, he wouldn't have committed genocide on the sand people as well. We're talking about a pattern of behavior here. To say that it wasn't always in him, or that he's entirely separate from that kind of energy doesn't make sense and it's basically just being an apologist for some forms of mass murder but not others.
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I think Vader is the coping mechanism for Anakin after cutting Mace Windus hand off. He needs to accept the persona of Darth Vader in this moment, because the Anakin-part in him wants to save padme. And if he didn't, Palpatine would have killed him right after Mace windu. But in this moment he let the darkness and the power of the dark side enter his heart, which is like being possessed by a demon. You couldn't blame a possessed child (in a horror movie) for all the things he did while the demon was in him, before the exorcist turned him back. Same with Vader. Yes, it's still Anakin. Not two different persons, but one body, with two souls. Or Anakins soul, possessed by a dark side demon
Bro new that he wasn’t gonna get fucked by revenge now that Vader can’t connect with the force as well as he could b4
The duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin was completely heartbreaking.
The villain wouldn't wear a war heroes face.
You'll find that the truths of what we believe to based on our own points of view.
That's exactly what I thought the reason was.
I think that Ahsoka's experience with Anakin in the live action series suggests that Anakin and Vader are one
In my opinion, the Anakin in the Asoka series is more of a complete Anakin, while the jedi Anakin and Vader both seemed to be half of who he really was. What I mean by that is the training that he received as a jedi had him suppressing certain parts of himself that would eventually become Vader, but when he and Asoka met again in the live action series, he had been able to join the 2 sides of himself and become whole, something that he hadn't been since he was a child. This is just my opinion and how I look at it so I can understand if you don't agree.
@@chaossoldier86 I honestly love your take on it. It makes sense
Something that I liked about the novelization of RotS is that in the end is that Anakin realized that he had been Vader and the dragon the entire time.
Anakin & Vader are one in the same. There is darkness in all of us. That is why we are so fascinated by this character. We can all become Vader.
My question is why did the clone in phase 1 armor when he encountered Luke, why did he not execute order 66?
This is covered in the Bad Batch I think.
Seems like the order only worked for a limited time. After that many clones seemed to question their culpability regarding the order and end up going AWOL
Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on this one Luke. Anakin is responsible for his own actions.
You can't just excuse someone for mass murder because they're on the dark side. In that case you might as well excuse every Sith. SMH.
Anakin is Vader, Vader is Anakin. Anakin betrayed his friends, he doesnt get to walk away from that blaming it on Vader. Those were Anakin's choices
Obi-Wan separating Anakin and Vader is pure cope - Vader is the result of choices made by Anakin.
Nope. Anakin was hiding behind a mask. Stop sugar coating it. I love Anakin's character and he was a messed up individual nothing more.
To me, Vader is a reflection of the darkness within Anakin's heart due to his fear, anger, & hatred! Vader is like the Yang to Anakin's Yin, with them being two sides of a greater whole! There is a little bit of Vader in Anakin & vice versa!
Vader WASN'T ALWAYS there. He was slowly created over time. By a mix of events an not just his own actions but those of those round him as well. In Sideous deliberately an the likes of them like Mace an Obi wan. Something Kenobi would come to be painfully aware of in time.
The SEEDS of Vader was ALWAYS there however. EVERYONE has some kind of Darkside. Given the right or stronger counter pushing an Anakin coulda become one of the Greatest Jedi Warrior Masters ever seen instead of one of the Greatest Sith an Jedi killers
I always wondered if they would say Vader was The Son who took over a portion of Anakin and he was losing an internal fight within his mind. We know Ahsoka is connected with the daughter.