Your right and women dont have the right to mens spaces either. If I see a trans man or biological women trying to force thier way into mens only spaces...I now can throw them out without being called mysogentic. Say NO to biologically born women. Works both ways ladies.
@@Sam-zu5mrI think the vast majority of females would agree. Pretend men shouldn’t be in the blokes toilets in the same way that pretend women should not be in single sex female spaces. Both sexes (there are only two - humans are a binary species) deserve privacy dignity and safety.
The guy in black is basically invalidating the feelings of this woman and then claims that his delusion and desires need to be participated in by everyone for the sake of inclusion. Disgusting.
Yes, Robin Moira White. Such entitlement. He seems unable to imagine what he doesn't want to see. Even if there was a "vote" somewhere that said he could be included as an honorary "female", what was the nature of that vote? If it wasn't a secret ballot, then women are constrained by their own fears of being ostracized for saying what they really think.
Ok but many trans women have been using female spaces for decades, at least toilets and changing rooms. Plus, how would you solve the issue of having trans men back in female spaces - some of whom really look like blokes, beards and hairy chests included?
@@janinemcmahon218 Men don't seem to have a higher opinion of men in women's spaces than women on average. Men and women should be standing up against a phenomenon that seems to have little to do with "the patriarchy"
I stand with Maya and women and girls everywhere, a grown mans feelings and to be frank kinks should not trump the dignity & safety of women and children!
So there's a group of men fighting for their rights to see women naked without their consent and apparently some people think it's okay because these same men also have an urge to wear women's panties?
As someone said on another thread, they've spent their whole lives waiting for their wives to go out so they can try their knickers on and are making a lifestyle out of it.
Love Maya! We need to cater to female reality, not men's fantasies/delusions/fetishes. Women do not say anything to these men because they are scared to, not because they ae comfortable around them.
@@michellehudson6865 EXACTLY! No way will I respect a bloke who has masturbated himself into the psychotic longing to be/belief he passes as/is an actual woman. Let alone one who forces himself into the special and private places of unwilling/distressed women - that's RAPEY.
8:35 Robyn, you don't get any opposition to saying you are a woman because those people lose their jobs, have their social media cancelled, and are branded transphobes for not letting you go where where you are not entitled. There's a LARGE number of women who have issues with this, including the one you are speaking to in this video. Your feelings are NOT the only feelings that matter DUDE!
@@katiePetsy oh, I'm surprised he didn't just do the same thing people on the left now do and just brand them all bigots. It was the fashion not too long ago for people on the left to defend Muslims, but now the TQ+ brigade must come first, and anyone who disagrees is instantly a far-right bigot. The left is now fine with throwing Muslim and other religious women under the bus in service of gender ideology.
AGPs dgaf about female consent. Silent fear isn't consent, it's survival. 😢 Also men like Robin dgaf about young trans identifying girls in male spaces when they're clearly female. What about their safety? The biggest con of the century was AGPs convincing people that it's an identity, rather than a fetish.
'Women don't mind me using single sex spaces'. No, Robin, you didn't NOTICE them minding. That's not the same as them not minding. Women have learned not to question men. Men kill nearly three women a week in the UK. Cases of rape have trebled in the last 15 years. You CANNOT assume silence is ascent.
He is being told straight to his face that women do mind . A woman who speaks for many women is telling him that but he couldn't care less. He wants what he wants and thinks he should get it.
@@jayjee735every nucleated cell in his manly body contains XY chromosomes except the sperm cells half of which will have an X chromosome and half a Y chromosome. He’s a man who has had some cosmetic surgeries and takes drugs to try and make him look more like a woman.
Robin you are sadly misinformed - just because women may not VOICE their discomfort TO YOU, doesn’t mean they’re happy to surrender their right to same sex spaces.
Exactly. "I've happily used the women's loos with zero issue" -- yes I'm sure it's been a very comfy experience for YOU. What about the women and girls who have heard that voice while in that space and felt unsafe? Women and girls who have suffered SA and r* have to just come second to your needs, eh Robin? Unbelievable. As if women and girls are going to feel comfortable confronting a male in this climate. And it took a brave woman to say "Get out!" even before all the gender woo came along. Now we've been told we can't challenge a male in our spaces. What woman or girl who has experienced r* or SA is going to feel brave enough to challenge him? The more likely response is to freeze, then flee as soon as you can. While this idiot blunders on, assuming because no woman or girl said anything nobody had a problem with him invading the space.
Of course. He’s a big heavy bloke - bigger and stronger than any woman or girl. He could take one of us out with just one punch of his big manly fist if one of us DARED asked him to get out!!!!
True. His tone alone barley disguises a condescending person; he literally omits facts concerning women in every interview I’ve seen, not unlike that eerie Tatchell character. When Meryl Streep was asked how she created her character in Devils Wears Prada 👠 she said she was inspired by all the powerful MEN she’s come across who could move mountains ⛰ simply with a low, intimidating tone, never raising their voices! Robin doesn’t fool me & Luckily brilliant women like Kelly J & Helen Joyce demystify what’s going on here in an instant! This is just men intimidating women on a whole new level and it’s bizarre watching it even have to go to discussion: but here we are and Maya is truly brilliant! 💪
@@erostyderin4130 "the powerful MEN she’s come across who could move mountains simply with a low, intimidating tone" -- and man oh man, the mountains men will move in service of their AGP!
I could listen to Maya all day! So eloquent and always keeps her cool (quite an achievement given the idiocy she’s confronted with here) - my personal favourite quote “your desires are not the only desires we need to accommodate in public life”. Boom!
Maya you rockstar! You argue so clearly and compassionately taking into account the needs of both sides. By contrast, Robin’s argument is I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!
Somatically female🤣🤣🤣🤣 Well, every single one of RMW somatic cells has XY sex chromosomes, telling every geneticist testing the DNA from those cells that he is somatically male.
Men telling women what they are, what they should do and their needs and boundaries do not matter. Top class gaslighting demonstrated here, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
As are many men in Westminster and the House of Lords. Rich, privileged, powerful old men. Closet transvestites as they were once known. Now they want it written in law......let's make paedophilia lawful too?
Any reasonable person can see that Maya's points - to look after 'all' trump Robyn's 'me me me' argument. I wish we could see the day where the likes of Robyn are challenged directly on the points Maya makes. Maya gave solutions for trans people. Robyn gave zero solutions and didn't have to face the question around religious women, traumatised women, women who just want a dignified and safe space.
@@Gingerblaze Absolutely. Even toddlers know what their eyes tell their brain. Maybe we should train them to scream their lungs out if they see an interloper. Maybe if that happened to Robin every day he would eventually concede the gig is up.
Its hypocritical that he says that trans people shouldn't be forced into a 3rd space ghetto 🙃 Yet we force women to do the same by building mixed facilities and removing single sex facilities all in the name of inclusivity. Why do women have to move aside and be subdued(could it be because of our nature as females and our socialisation 🤔🤔🤔) Well I've got a double standard to highlight for TRAs; you say that trans women 'belong in female spaces' regardless of what actual females think or feel about the circumstances increasing their risk to perverts and assaults cause , their argument being" rapists are gonna rape regardless" and "the rape will still be charged as a crime" 12:43 Yes, but how many women and girls do you know who bring that info to authorities??? NOT MANY. Single sex spaces have existed because it makes it easier to identify a possible threat and remove [threat] from said facilities. I suggest the weak hypocritical TW to GO and use male facilities cause either way if you are assaulted there [the assault] will still be considered a crime. After all, criminals are gonna be criminals, huh? And that concern if they refuse to use the correct sex facilities is EXACTLY why the "3rD SpAcE GhEtTo"🤪 should exist as an option, after all they CHOSE to change their bodies, it's not our fault they now read more androgynous, we on the other hand can't afford to change our bodies to avoid sex specific violence 👿 It's our lived reality and it's not jealousy when I say that you can never be like us, as us or even similar to us. Vegan meat is a misnomer just as trans [women] is to women.😤😞🤐
On what basis do these men get to remove the rights of women (including women that I’d as ‘men’)? I see Robin as a man. I don’t share his belief because it’s not material reality. A man wearing a dress is still a man.
We don’t have to accommodate everyone everywhere. We only need to protect everyone. There have to be single sex spaces and I as a biological female do not want biological males, trans or not, in my intimate spaces and intimate care in hospitals and nursing homes. He may be a lawyer, but I would not hire him.
Have you ever noticed how in a debate that concerns everyone, transwomen never fail to to use their own experience as the example we should mandate for the whole of society.
"early in my transition, I joined the gym club..." Yeah, to flex and flaunt your new "womanhood", and you did so with zealously pro-T, metropolitan liberal women not the average woman in the street.
What Robin is saying effectively is that to accept and accommodate trans people in society, then society must pretend to share in trans people’s delusion. Having a delusion must be difficult I’m sure, and we can be empathetic to this difficulty. But that cannot be extended to demanding others indulge the delusion.
Why are men who think they are now women even invited onto these programmes to discuss what can only ever be understood by true biological women? Not ok....... no such thing as "transwomen"
Perhaps to allow audiences to see the incongruity and obvious indefensibility of the position held by people who believe they can change objective reality by undergoing pharmasurgical drag and proclimation.
"but the women who I work with don't mind". Really, Robin, really? I bet they were too afraid of losing their jobs or for being outcasts at work, having their daily life made so miserable they'd be forced to leave to say they actually DO mind.
There is a lot of truth to what you say. But given they know him they probably also trust him much more than just any transgender „woman“. So even if his female coworkers didn’t mind him they most likely would mind in general.
@@Celisar1 I'd absolutely mind. I can't think of one man I've ever worked with that I wouldn't mind being alone in the women's toilets with. Not because I didn't trust any of them or they weren't gentlemen, but because they were men and I'm a woman. It's a case of privacy, dignity and safety. If you don't have that, you won't be happy to use the bathroom at work. I felt self conscious using the bathroom with other women at times, when I had a period, for example. I'd rather have been in a bathroom on my own but you know that every other woman is in the same position. I honestly don't know why men have such an interest in using the women's bathrooms anyway, considering all they want to do is 'pee'.
Robin, I'm a woman. Use the unisex facilities and stop over dramatising the situation. I've used unisex facilities and they are not ghettos. Women make up more than 50% of the population. Add children to that and you get a high proportion of the population requiring protected facilities and services as well as protective laws. Sex does matter. The needs of the few, such as yourself , should not put the needs of the many in jeopardy. I have sympathy for gender dysphoria people and accommodations should be made but everyone on the planet has issues they need to cope with within the context and limits of cultural and societal norms and laws. Life isn't fair. Cope. Men do not have an understanding of how women need to be on constant alert for danger from men in so many ways. It becomes second nature to us to be always scanning our surroundings we hardly recognise we are doing it. It is no surprise that this panel has both men agreeing that women's needs and safety don't count, only men's.
Robin doesn’t want unisex facilities. He wants validation for his fetish - that’s why he arrogantly goes into ladies toilets and changing rooms where he knows he’s not wanted.
In order to safeguard, you create barriers and block access to certain spaces. It may offend some trans people that they are blocked from spaces, but please consider women's needs as well.
Robin has unwittingly just made a strong argument on behalf of dropping the concept of trans. There is no such thing as actually transitioning and becoming the other sex, and if Robin thinks that that's what transitioning actually means, we need to stop accepting using that term so easily. We need to come up with a new word that doesn't seek to to convince the world that someone like Robin is actually a woman. No matter how Robin likes to live. The muxe in Mexico are a perfect example of a subculture using a word that still distinguishes between women and muxes.
Fafafine in Samoa. Ladyboys in Thailand. It’s ok to be who you are snd presrbt how you like. But if it’s grbder swapping you’re after, you simply cannot chsnge sex. Trans women are a subset of men. If they were women, they would t be trans. I especially dislike the indoctrination of this wacky theory in schools. Not only are children being lied to to the extent that they think switching sex is literally an easy choice and normal, they are gaslighting kids into denying the evidence of their own sexes. When little kids get stood down and punished for ‘misgendering’ when they are actually telling the truth, it’s just revolting brainwashing. Kids are the first to notice the emperor has no clothes, they shouldn’t be punished for pointing it out and they especially shouldn’t be taught a lie that can destroy their lives by sterilising them and making them medical patients for life if they do take puberty blockers, hormones, or surgery.
they asked women in a gym and not a single woman objected. The hidden truth - because all of them know if they object, it is them (women) who would be likely blamed/excluded/banned by the gym. And let suggest one woman would object, would it stop Robyn? Likely not. But the rights of that one woman who would object, even one, should be respected.
Yeah, and we know so much more about the transgender movement since Robin started wearing women’s clothing, and now it’s the majority of women who feel strongly about this. Maybe there are far more trans women out there, BUT, there are still far more women, and why the hell do we have to lose out?! This issue, DOES NOT affect men at all.
The man Robin lied when he said he is genetically female. He is genetically male. Also, he keeps using the example of trans men (who are female but transition to male) when females who transition to males are not the problem. This movement is a male sex rights movement masquerading as a matter of social justice. It is men like Robin with or without a gender reassignment certificate: it is so-called trans women, who insist on being allowed into female only spaces. He is perfectly fine with discriminating against women (and girls) and making women uncomfortable. Also he misrepresents the facts when most people object to trans women being allowed to compete in sports and to be allowed into refuges for vulnerable women and to be housed in female prisons and to be housed in hospital rooms for females. It is an outrageous demand by him and the trans lobby. He misrepresents what would happen. Women and girls are being harassed and some assaulted and/or raped by so-called trans women who are housed with females not to mention the endless harassment on line and the loss of jobs and awards as well as political positions heretofore for natal females. Men like Robin should be allowed to dress as they wish, etc. But we must remain clear about them. They are in the grip of a sexual fantasy which can be termed a mental health disorder. They need our compassion and accommodation as much as possible, but not at the expense of the rights of women and girls. Children and adolescents of both sexes are still receiving affirmation for their problems instead of being treated for those problems; no other medical condition is treated in this way. Puberty blockers are not reversible. Most young who seek help to transition and change sex (which is impossible scientifically) improve if allowed to go through puberty. Puberty is essential for human health and maturation of both body and mind. Puberty blockers and the administration of cross-sex hormones have life-long and negative health consequences. Surgeries on sex organs destroy the body. The real "conversion therapy" is the transitioning of children and adolescents who upon maturation would turn out to be lesbian, gay, or bi. All of this makes for a major and profound medical scandal and a scandal of huge proportion in terms of the corruption of science and the clinical arts and of course media, government, schools, universities, and other institutions and entities including dictionaries, organization for midwifery and doulas, organizations heretofore committed to the advocacy of the rights of lesbians, gays, and bi-sexuals, now including primarily heterosexual males who have a fantasy that they belong in the sex class female. Tragically, human beings who go through full medicalization destroy their ability to have orgasms because they do not develop sexually. Just think of the narcissism of the trans lobby to be insisting that children and adolescents, indeed anyone, must become trans. Maya is right.
Wow. He's obviously an AGP. He keeps bringing up strawman arguments, and talking about transmen. He's trying to avoid the issue of AGP men like him wanting to invade women's spaces so he can gratify his fetish.
"I am somatically female" says the bloke every single one of whose cells contains a Y chromosome (always assuming his 'transition' included castration).
He should have been pressed further about why trans facilities aren't an acceptable option. Taking his own informal survey about what the women around him think is hardly strong evidence.
Has it been a problem for you personally? I would say if it were, you are more than capable of throwing her out of the men’s loo. By and large it’s not the trans ‘men’ that are the problem because like all women they know that if they end up alone in a loo with the wrong man, the chances are he could easily overpower her. Trans ‘men’ are usually happy to use unisex single spaces for that reason- safety. It’s trans women (men) in women’s spaces that are the main problem for the exact same reason- men are stronger, more violent and more likely to commit violent or sexual crimes.
There needs to be a third space for trans and gender neutral toilets for all. I question anyone's motive who is against gender neutral toilets - why not?
Just cause robin doesn't have any problems with women being happy with them personally doesn't mean that it should be a free for all it reminds me of blokes saying ' not all men are rapist's or abusers' women know that, we just don't know who is and who isn't.
And Crispin Blunt you seem very willing to force women into staying at home if for religious, cultural or personal experiences they are fearful of using a public facility for women and encountering a biological intact man. Why MP Blunt do you seem to think women should give way to trans women?
Look into the men whose own paraphilias fuel much of their positions on these policies. Gynoandromorphopillia (GAMPs) are not talked about much at all, but really need to have a light shone in their direction.
Sex should only be defined biologically. Stop conflating sex and gender and be precise about language. This has worked for humans for thousands of years. It’s not about a dress, it’s about the wobbly bits that make reproduction possible.
Male bodied persons should be in male bodied spaces and same for female. This person states that if a biological female with religious reasons don’t have a space period and this individual has two all due to their feelings. No thoughts to a biologicals woman’s reasoning.
Trans individuals have to be reasonable in their expectations of government, law and society. Expecting the right to wear what you want, present how you want, identify how you want, all very reasonable expectations. As is the freedom to change certain documentation or to be granted certain protections awarded to minorities. But the freedom to walk into a girls changing room or to compete against women in sport is NOT reasonable, it is completely UNreasonable. Nobody who was born with a penis has any business in womens sports, and anyone who still has their penis has any business in womens toilets.
Being surgically altered does not stop the danger associated with males entering womens private spaces nor does it make them females. Women are not castrated men.
Just because it's difficult to get a gender recognition certificate doesn't mean who shouldn't bother. If disabled people had that mentality none of us would have a Blue Badge or Disability Living Allowance/Personal Independent Payment.
Maya makes a great point - no one is being FORCED to use spaces they're not happy with, but organisations have the right to exclude people from a single-sex facility, if it's a single-sex facility of the sex which that person does not belong. Am I right? I do wonder what trans men will do though. Many of them do pass as male, but I believe men are entitled to single-sex spaces too. What's the solution?
Maya stated that single stall, single use unisex toilets and change rooms should be made available as they are for people with disabilities, and parents with small children to use already. This option would help the most people.
Obviously to provide a third space. However trans women don’t want that solution because the inference is that of course they are not actually ‘women’. The lie that they are because they want to be is the problem here. Currently many places are making the women’s loo unisex. I went to a hotel recently that only had ‘all genders’ and ‘men’. It’s not the men that need the protection of single sex spaces!
Rare to see such civility on this issue. The law clearly hasn't kept pace with the zeitgeist. Changes are needed, we just need to be careful of any potential unintended consequences. With hope, I wish for an outcome that can both protect female only spaces and afford dignity and respect to those who don't fit into societal norms. Call me a dreamer, but we did put a man on the moon...
Robin clearly does not understand a female’s feelings, worries, concerns - anything from a female point of view no matter how Robin dresses or how Robin perceives Robin. Robin is incredibly disingenuous. Please let Robin be Robin but don’t take from women’s rights.
So proud of Maya Forstater! Saying no is hard, but necessary. Men's feelings can't trump women's sex-based rights!
Your right and women dont have the right to mens spaces either. If I see a trans man or biological women trying to force thier way into mens only spaces...I now can throw them out without being called mysogentic. Say NO to biologically born women. Works both ways ladies.
@@Sam-zu5mrI think the vast majority of females would agree. Pretend men shouldn’t be in the blokes toilets in the same way that pretend women should not be in single sex female spaces. Both sexes (there are only two - humans are a binary species) deserve privacy dignity and safety.
The guy in black is basically invalidating the feelings of this woman and then claims that his delusion and desires need to be participated in by everyone for the sake of inclusion. Disgusting.
Disgusting and arrogant.
Yes, Robin Moira White. Such entitlement. He seems unable to imagine what he doesn't want to see. Even if there was a "vote" somewhere that said he could be included as an honorary "female", what was the nature of that vote? If it wasn't a secret ballot, then women are constrained by their own fears of being ostracized for saying what they really think.
Ok but many trans women have been using female spaces for decades, at least toilets and changing rooms. Plus, how would you solve the issue of having trans men back in female spaces - some of whom really look like blokes, beards and hairy chests included?
Male entitlement, centering themselves and ignoring the impact on other people.
Trans rights apparently trump all other rights. It only matters that they are affirmed and to hell with how anyone else feels.
8:22 WOW! "Your desires are not the only desires that need to be accommodated in public life." That quote just sums this whole thing up.
The patriarchy always wins. Women say NO!
Male arrogance expressed - by a MAN.
@@janinemcmahon218 Men don't seem to have a higher opinion of men in women's spaces than women on average. Men and women should be standing up against a phenomenon that seems to have little to do with "the patriarchy"
I stand with Maya and women and girls everywhere, a grown mans feelings and to be frank kinks should not trump the dignity & safety of women and children!
So there's a group of men fighting for their rights to see women naked without their consent and apparently some people think it's okay because these same men also have an urge to wear women's panties?
This puts it in plain enough language.
Yup! That’s it in a nutshell.
@@nicky611Talking of nuts ………..
As someone said on another thread, they've spent their whole lives waiting for their wives to go out so they can try their knickers on and are making a lifestyle out of it.
AGPs. Men with fetishism. Being enabled as usual.
Stand with Maya ❤ 100%
YES
He's using women's argument against them. Thinks he's slick.
Love Maya! We need to cater to female reality, not men's fantasies/delusions/fetishes. Women do not say anything to these men because they are scared to, not because they ae comfortable around them.
Why are women allowing men dressed as women to beat all their world records and enter female jails?
Exactly
Womens rights are human rights
With respect Robin .. I object ...please stay out of womens safe spaces.
No respect required for that piece of work. AGP!
A sulking AGP
@@michellehudson6865 EXACTLY! No way will I respect a bloke who has masturbated himself into the psychotic longing to be/belief he passes as/is an actual woman.
Let alone one who forces himself into the special and private places of unwilling/distressed women - that's RAPEY.
@@belindatobin6181Yes, he's not a happy boy.
Male entitlement at its finest there! He has no idea
Go Maya! You are so articulate!
I don't want that man using women's spaces and put them in danger, just so he can feel good about himself! It's ridiculous! Go to men's spaces
8:35 Robyn, you don't get any opposition to saying you are a woman because those people lose their jobs, have their social media cancelled, and are branded transphobes for not letting you go where where you are not entitled. There's a LARGE number of women who have issues with this, including the one you are speaking to in this video. Your feelings are NOT the only feelings that matter DUDE!
don't they realize that 99% of this "affirmation" they are getting is faked because people are SCARED of them?
Notice Robyn had no answer for Muslim women not wanting to share a toilet with biological men. Didn't want to be branded an islamophobe 😂
@@katiePetsy oh, I'm surprised he didn't just do the same thing people on the left now do and just brand them all bigots. It was the fashion not too long ago for people on the left to defend Muslims, but now the TQ+ brigade must come first, and anyone who disagrees is instantly a far-right bigot.
The left is now fine with throwing Muslim and other religious women under the bus in service of gender ideology.
Nice !!!😂😂😂
Brilliantly said "I see Robin as a man"
The law DOESN’T need to treat ANYONE in their “acquired gender”. Enough with sexist stereotypes and larping men thinking that’s all women are!
Precisely 🎉
Robin's "desires" scream male entitlement.
AGPs dgaf about female consent. Silent fear isn't consent, it's survival. 😢
Also men like Robin dgaf about young trans identifying girls in male spaces when they're clearly female. What about their safety? The biggest con of the century was AGPs convincing people that it's an identity, rather than a fetish.
'Women don't mind me using single sex spaces'. No, Robin, you didn't NOTICE them minding. That's not the same as them not minding. Women have learned not to question men. Men kill nearly three women a week in the UK. Cases of rape have trebled in the last 15 years. You CANNOT assume silence is ascent.
Silence is often fear
I would be too terrified to object to that big heavy bloke in case he took me out with one punch from his big manly fist.
He is being told straight to his face that women do mind . A woman who speaks for many women is telling him that but he couldn't care less. He wants what he wants and thinks he should get it.
@@yesnomaybeso3220how very manly of him
@@yesnomaybeso3220Yep - because HE’S a bloke.
¨Im somatically female¨ I mean, come on, Robin. That doesn´t mean anything. His body has nothing female about it.
b-b-but he has a ladies necklace on?
He doesn't know what somatic means- a biological word. Just like woman, he hasn't got a clue!
Male behavior doesn’t stop when you change your little outfit. Obvious male dominance ploy. Oh please…
@@jayjee735every nucleated cell in his manly body contains XY chromosomes except the sperm cells half of which will have an X chromosome and half a Y chromosome. He’s a man who has had some cosmetic surgeries and takes drugs to try and make him look more like a woman.
It’s actually dumb and stupid also because female is someone who has female reproductive system. That’s the scientific definition!
How is Maya so calm in the face of his absurd obfuscations?
Maya is the only person here speaking the truth
Robin you are sadly misinformed - just because women may not VOICE their discomfort TO YOU, doesn’t mean they’re happy to surrender their right to same sex spaces.
Exactly. "I've happily used the women's loos with zero issue" -- yes I'm sure it's been a very comfy experience for YOU.
What about the women and girls who have heard that voice while in that space and felt unsafe? Women and girls who have suffered SA and r* have to just come second to your needs, eh Robin? Unbelievable.
As if women and girls are going to feel comfortable confronting a male in this climate. And it took a brave woman to say "Get out!" even before all the gender woo came along. Now we've been told we can't challenge a male in our spaces. What woman or girl who has experienced r* or SA is going to feel brave enough to challenge him? The more likely response is to freeze, then flee as soon as you can. While this idiot blunders on, assuming because no woman or girl said anything nobody had a problem with him invading the space.
Of course. He’s a big heavy bloke - bigger and stronger than any woman or girl. He could take one of us out with just one punch of his big manly fist if one of us DARED asked him to get out!!!!
that dude Robin looks like a scary predator to me. But I'm just a woman so, what do I know? 🙄
True. His tone alone barley disguises a condescending person; he literally omits facts concerning women in every interview I’ve seen, not unlike that eerie Tatchell character. When Meryl Streep was asked how she created her character in Devils Wears Prada 👠 she said she was inspired by all the powerful MEN she’s come across who could move mountains ⛰ simply with a low, intimidating tone, never raising their voices! Robin doesn’t fool me & Luckily brilliant women like Kelly J & Helen Joyce demystify what’s going on here in an instant! This is just men intimidating women on a whole new level and it’s bizarre watching it even have to go to discussion: but here we are and Maya is truly brilliant! 💪
@@erostyderin4130 "the powerful MEN she’s come across who could move mountains simply with a low, intimidating tone" -- and man oh man, the mountains men will move in service of their AGP!
I could listen to Maya all day! So eloquent and always keeps her cool (quite an achievement given the idiocy she’s confronted with here) - my personal favourite quote “your desires are not the only desires we need to accommodate in public life”. Boom!
Maya you rockstar! You argue so clearly and compassionately taking into account the needs of both sides. By contrast, Robin’s argument is I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!
Somatically female🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, every single one of RMW somatic cells has XY sex chromosomes, telling every geneticist testing the DNA from those cells that he is somatically male.
Men telling women what they are, what they should do and their needs and boundaries do not matter. Top class gaslighting demonstrated here, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
I can’t stomach that arrogant man. He’s a bloke!!!!!!
Probably a cyclist as well.
His voice gives him away somewhat 😂.
@@KPate-y5znot the face? 😂
The fella can't accept himself as he is, and wants us to accept him as a woman which he isn't. 🤷🤦🤡🌎
I stand with Maya 💪
You don't fool anyone, Robin. You're an AGP.
As are many men in Westminster and the House of Lords. Rich, privileged, powerful old men. Closet transvestites as they were once known. Now they want it written in law......let's make paedophilia lawful too?
@@jd23494 That is exactly where this is leading to, it needs to be shutdown now.
Truthhh to all this.
Have a referendum on how many women actually mind/ do mind men in their spaces! I'm sure Robin will find enlightenment on how many actually do mind!!!
I'm sorry but how does a Woman "live their life as a Man"? What does that actually mean?
Any reasonable person can see that Maya's points - to look after 'all' trump Robyn's 'me me me' argument. I wish we could see the day where the likes of Robyn are challenged directly on the points Maya makes. Maya gave solutions for trans people. Robyn gave zero solutions and didn't have to face the question around religious women, traumatised women, women who just want a dignified and safe space.
And of children, who are most likely to announce the truth about the "Emperors new clothes" in those situations.
ALL women need and want our feminine spaces. Not just for safety. It's our world.
@@Gingerblaze Absolutely. Even toddlers know what their eyes tell their brain. Maybe we should train them to scream their lungs out if they see an interloper. Maybe if that happened to Robin every day he would eventually concede the gig is up.
Its hypocritical that he says that trans people shouldn't be forced into a 3rd space ghetto 🙃 Yet we force women to do the same by building mixed facilities and removing single sex facilities all in the name of inclusivity. Why do women have to move aside and be subdued(could it be because of our nature as females and our socialisation 🤔🤔🤔) Well I've got a double standard to highlight for TRAs; you say that trans women 'belong in female spaces' regardless of what actual females think or feel about the circumstances increasing their risk to perverts and assaults cause , their argument being" rapists are gonna rape regardless" and "the rape will still be charged as a crime" 12:43 Yes, but how many women and girls do you know who bring that info to authorities??? NOT MANY. Single sex spaces have existed because it makes it easier to identify a possible threat and remove [threat] from said facilities. I suggest the weak hypocritical TW to GO and use male facilities cause either way if you are assaulted there [the assault] will still be considered a crime. After all, criminals are gonna be criminals, huh?
And that concern if they refuse to use the correct sex facilities is EXACTLY why the "3rD SpAcE GhEtTo"🤪 should exist as an option, after all they CHOSE to change their bodies, it's not our fault they now read more androgynous, we on the other hand can't afford to change our bodies to avoid sex specific violence 👿 It's our lived reality and it's not jealousy when I say that you can never be like us, as us or even similar to us. Vegan meat is a misnomer just as trans [women] is to women.😤😞🤐
We need mentally disturbed spaces for these ppl.
Men do not have the right to expect women to accommodate them. Third spaces are the way forward. Maya is amazing.
These kind of men have no shame.
They have ZERO concern for the feelings of women and girls
Bring back SHAME!!!
The autogynophilic needs override any shred of shame
They just have zero understanding of what it is to be a woman, ironically trans identified men have much less understanding than the average bloke.
Narcissistic males like this never do.
On what basis do these men get to remove the rights of women (including women that I’d as ‘men’)? I see Robin as a man. I don’t share his belief because it’s not material reality. A man wearing a dress is still a man.
We don’t have to accommodate everyone everywhere. We only need to protect everyone. There have to be single sex spaces and I as a biological female do not want biological males, trans or not, in my intimate spaces and intimate care in hospitals and nursing homes. He may be a lawyer, but I would not hire him.
RMW is so relentlessly, determinedly, aggressively disingenuous. TRAs ALWAYS lie.
Have you ever noticed how in a debate that concerns everyone, transwomen never fail to to use their own experience as the example we should mandate for the whole of society.
Of course. Because it (and everything) is allllllll about them.
Exactly. Female single sex spaces do not exist to solve MALE problems
More men telling women what we are allowed to do.
@@cjlloyd53
But too many women supporting them. All Liberals of course.
"early in my transition, I joined the gym club..." Yeah, to flex and flaunt your new "womanhood", and you did so with zealously pro-T, metropolitan liberal women not the average woman in the street.
What Robin is saying effectively is that to accept and accommodate trans people in society, then society must pretend to share in trans people’s delusion. Having a delusion must be difficult I’m sure, and we can be empathetic to this difficulty. But that cannot be extended to demanding others indulge the delusion.
Bathrooms are about sex not gender.
100% men in dresses should not go into women’s toilets, changing rooms or participate in women’s sports. Is their problem not women’s.
Maya really held her own! And so strongly.
The women this bloke works with are being forced and blackmailed into accepting this bloke !
Why are men who think they are now women even invited onto these programmes to discuss what can only ever be understood by true biological women? Not ok....... no such thing as "transwomen"
Perhaps to allow audiences to see the incongruity and obvious indefensibility of the position held by people who believe they can change objective reality by undergoing pharmasurgical drag and proclimation.
"but the women who I work with don't mind". Really, Robin, really? I bet they were too afraid of losing their jobs or for being outcasts at work, having their daily life made so miserable they'd be forced to leave to say they actually DO mind.
There is a lot of truth to what you say. But given they know him they probably also trust him much more than just any transgender „woman“.
So even if his female coworkers didn’t mind him they most likely would mind in general.
@@Celisar1 I'd absolutely mind. I can't think of one man I've ever worked with that I wouldn't mind being alone in the women's toilets with. Not because I didn't trust any of them or they weren't gentlemen, but because they were men and I'm a woman. It's a case of privacy, dignity and safety. If you don't have that, you won't be happy to use the bathroom at work. I felt self conscious using the bathroom with other women at times, when I had a period, for example. I'd rather have been in a bathroom on my own but you know that every other woman is in the same position. I honestly don't know why men have such an interest in using the women's bathrooms anyway, considering all they want to do is 'pee'.
Robin, I'm a woman. Use the unisex facilities and stop over dramatising the situation. I've used unisex facilities and they are not ghettos. Women make up more than 50% of the population. Add children to that and you get a high proportion of the population requiring protected facilities and services as well as protective laws. Sex does matter. The needs of the few, such as yourself , should not put the needs of the many in jeopardy. I have sympathy for gender dysphoria people and accommodations should be made but everyone on the planet has issues they need to cope with within the context and limits of cultural and societal norms and laws. Life isn't fair. Cope.
Men do not have an understanding of how women need to be on constant alert for danger from men in so many ways. It becomes second nature to us to be always scanning our surroundings we hardly recognise we are doing it. It is no surprise that this panel has both men agreeing that women's needs and safety don't count, only men's.
Robin doesn’t want unisex facilities. He wants validation for his fetish - that’s why he arrogantly goes into ladies toilets and changing rooms where he knows he’s not wanted.
Beautifully said.
If you’re comfortable not all people are
In order to safeguard, you create barriers and block access to certain spaces. It may offend some trans people that they are blocked from spaces, but please consider women's needs as well.
Robin has unwittingly just made a strong argument on behalf of dropping the concept of trans. There is no such thing as actually transitioning and becoming the other sex, and if Robin thinks that that's what transitioning actually means, we need to stop accepting using that term so easily. We need to come up with a new word that doesn't seek to to convince the world that someone like Robin is actually a woman. No matter how Robin likes to live. The muxe in Mexico are a perfect example of a subculture using a word that still distinguishes between women and muxes.
Fafafine in Samoa.
Ladyboys in Thailand.
It’s ok to be who you are snd presrbt how you like. But if it’s grbder swapping you’re after, you simply cannot chsnge sex. Trans women are a subset of men. If they were women, they would t be trans.
I especially dislike the indoctrination of this wacky theory in schools. Not only are children being lied to to the extent that they think switching sex is literally an easy choice and normal, they are gaslighting kids into denying the evidence of their own sexes. When little kids get stood down and punished for ‘misgendering’ when they are actually telling the truth, it’s just revolting brainwashing. Kids are the first to notice the emperor has no clothes, they shouldn’t be punished for pointing it out and they especially shouldn’t be taught a lie that can destroy their lives by sterilising them and making them medical patients for life if they do take puberty blockers, hormones, or surgery.
they asked women in a gym and not a single woman objected. The hidden truth - because all of them know if they object, it is them (women) who would be likely blamed/excluded/banned by the gym. And let suggest one woman would object, would it stop Robyn? Likely not. But the rights of that one woman who would object, even one, should be respected.
Yeah, and we know so much more about the transgender movement since Robin started wearing women’s clothing, and now it’s the majority of women who feel strongly about this.
Maybe there are far more trans women out there, BUT, there are still far more women, and why the hell do we have to lose out?!
This issue, DOES NOT affect men at all.
You can clearly see that that`s a bloke🤣
No we do not have to accept! That’s where Robin is mistaken. “Trans Men” are not the problem. That’s a whole other kettle of fish.
Bloke telling women what their rights are. Enough.
So trans women want to use real women's spaces and don't care how much upset this causes. Despicable.
Perverts. That's what the majority of them are.
No one is born in the wrong body!
There are wheelchair access bathrooms and single use bathrooms. Bathrooms for families with children. Are THEY complaining of being ghetto-ised?
I don’t see why trans shouldn’t use the special
Needs loos.
@@ApacheMagic because then they would be all alone with themselves. Can''t intimidate others in those.
Yet another bloke in a frock telling us to lie
The man Robin lied when he said he is genetically female. He is genetically male. Also, he keeps using the example of trans men (who are female but transition to male) when females who transition to males are not the problem. This movement is a male sex rights movement masquerading as a matter of social justice. It is men like Robin with or without a gender reassignment certificate: it is so-called trans women, who insist on being allowed into female only spaces. He is perfectly fine with discriminating against women (and girls) and making women uncomfortable. Also he misrepresents the facts when most people object to trans women being allowed to compete in sports and to be allowed into refuges for vulnerable women and to be housed in female prisons and to be housed in hospital rooms for females. It is an outrageous demand by him and the trans lobby. He misrepresents what would happen. Women and girls are being harassed and some assaulted and/or raped by so-called trans women who are housed with females not to mention the endless harassment on line and the loss of jobs and awards as well as political positions heretofore for natal females. Men like Robin should be allowed to dress as they wish, etc. But we must remain clear about them. They are in the grip of a sexual fantasy which can be termed a mental health disorder. They need our compassion and accommodation as much as possible, but not at the expense of the rights of women and girls. Children and adolescents of both sexes are still receiving affirmation for their problems instead of being treated for those problems; no other medical condition is treated in this way. Puberty blockers are not reversible. Most young who seek help to transition and change sex (which is impossible scientifically) improve if allowed to go through puberty. Puberty is essential for human health and maturation of both body and mind. Puberty blockers and the administration of cross-sex hormones have life-long and negative health consequences. Surgeries on sex organs destroy the body. The real "conversion therapy" is the transitioning of children and adolescents who upon maturation would turn out to be lesbian, gay, or bi. All of this makes for a major and profound medical scandal and a scandal of huge proportion in terms of the corruption of science and the clinical arts and of course media, government, schools, universities, and other institutions and entities including dictionaries, organization for midwifery and doulas, organizations heretofore committed to the advocacy of the rights of lesbians, gays, and bi-sexuals, now including primarily heterosexual males who have a fantasy that they belong in the sex class female. Tragically, human beings who go through full medicalization destroy their ability to have orgasms because they do not develop sexually. Just think of the narcissism of the trans lobby to be insisting that children and adolescents, indeed anyone, must become trans. Maya is right.
Exactly!
Robin's opinion is that a man can walk into a women's changing room at any time freely.
Ain't gonna happen . . .
He's a narcissist
The mans response about the Muslim women - typical - its all about him.
Maya the voice of reason ! Start protecting women and children !!
💚🤍💜
Wow. He's obviously an AGP. He keeps bringing up strawman arguments, and talking about transmen. He's trying to avoid the issue of AGP men like him wanting to invade women's spaces so he can gratify his fetish.
"I am somatically female" says the bloke every single one of whose cells contains a Y chromosome (always assuming his 'transition' included castration).
He should have been pressed further about why trans facilities aren't an acceptable option. Taking his own informal survey about what the women around him think is hardly strong evidence.
“…..they want to live their lives as a male” and if we don’t want to participate in their fantasy? Where are our rights to opt out of their delusions?
Has it been a problem for you personally?
I would say if it were, you are more than capable of throwing her out of the men’s loo.
By and large it’s not the trans ‘men’ that are the problem because like all women they know that if they end up alone in a loo with the wrong man, the chances are he could easily overpower her. Trans ‘men’ are usually happy to use unisex single spaces for that reason- safety. It’s trans women (men) in women’s spaces that are the main problem for the exact same reason- men are stronger, more violent and more likely to commit violent or sexual crimes.
There needs to be a third space for trans and gender neutral toilets for all. I question anyone's motive who is against gender neutral toilets - why not?
Go Maya!
God, they just don' t listen, do they. Keep repeating that men in drag will be "forced" to use the gents (where they belong). oh boo hoo
Robin is a man - somatically female my arse
How do you expect me to respect who you are, when you couldn't respect who you were !!!!
“Third space ghetto” FFS it’s just a toilet with a different name 🥴
Just cause robin doesn't have any problems with women being happy with them personally doesn't mean that it should be a free for all it reminds me of blokes saying ' not all men are rapist's or abusers' women know that, we just don't know who is and who isn't.
Dont want them in toilets and changing rooms. Its sick 🤢
Robin needs to stay out of women’s spaces.
Robbin has used male toilets for years... why does he suddenly find ir difficult ?
Because he wears lipstick now. So of course he's in complete mortal danger in male toilets...
Maya isn't the only one who sees Robin as a man. He says he transitioned to a woman. I've got news for him...
In a GB News interview, Robin said that during her transition 13 years ago she decided not to undergo vocal cord treatment.
YES meya. You tell them !
And Crispin Blunt you seem very willing to force women into staying at home if for religious, cultural or personal experiences they are fearful of using a public facility for women and encountering a biological intact man. Why MP Blunt do you seem to think women should give way to trans women?
Look into the men whose own paraphilias fuel much of their positions on these policies.
Gynoandromorphopillia (GAMPs) are not talked about much at all, but really need to have a light shone in their direction.
Robin White has a conflict of interest in this debate...
Sex should only be defined biologically. Stop conflating sex and gender and be precise about language. This has worked for humans for thousands of years. It’s not about a dress, it’s about the wobbly bits that make reproduction possible.
Its about much more than the wobbly bits. Women are not castrated men.
@@Gingerblazebingo! Well said.
Robin… stop appropriating women. We are not your costume!
That's a great line! Very apt. 💜💚
You cannot "transition from female to male" or from male to female. It's not physically possible.
Robin's a complete headbanger, proper nutter.
Male bodied persons should be in male bodied spaces and same for female. This person states that if a biological female with religious reasons don’t have a space period and this individual has two all due to their feelings. No thoughts to a biologicals woman’s reasoning.
“I am symmetrically female”
Ok, Bro💀💀💀
Trans individuals have to be reasonable in their expectations of government, law and society. Expecting the right to wear what you want, present how you want, identify how you want, all very reasonable expectations. As is the freedom to change certain documentation or to be granted certain protections awarded to minorities. But the freedom to walk into a girls changing room or to compete against women in sport is NOT reasonable, it is completely UNreasonable. Nobody who was born with a penis has any business in womens sports, and anyone who still has their penis has any business in womens toilets.
Being surgically altered does not stop the danger associated with males entering womens private spaces nor does it make them females.
Women are not castrated men.
Not a single woman *dared* object.
Maya is so knowledgeable about these issues and comes across as very sensible.
Men are not women!
Yay Maya!
A wolf in sheep's clothing.
Reality in LAW is what we are talking about, people can live their lives as something else but this does not change the truth.
When is the govt. going to make a decision on the petition / debate? Doea anoyone know what happens next?
Just because it's difficult to get a gender recognition certificate doesn't mean who shouldn't bother.
If disabled people had that mentality none of us would have a Blue Badge or Disability Living Allowance/Personal Independent Payment.
Maya makes a great point - no one is being FORCED to use spaces they're not happy with, but organisations have the right to exclude people from a single-sex facility, if it's a single-sex facility of the sex which that person does not belong. Am I right? I do wonder what trans men will do though. Many of them do pass as male, but I believe men are entitled to single-sex spaces too. What's the solution?
Maya stated that single stall, single use unisex toilets and change rooms should be made available as they are for people with disabilities, and parents with small children to use already. This option would help the most people.
Obviously to provide a third space. However trans women don’t want that solution because the inference is that of course they are not actually ‘women’. The lie that they are because they want to be is the problem here.
Currently many places are making the women’s loo unisex. I went to a hotel recently that only had ‘all genders’ and ‘men’. It’s not the men that need the protection of single sex spaces!
'Transmen who can look very male' 😂 same as you mate!.
Rare to see such civility on this issue. The law clearly hasn't kept pace with the zeitgeist. Changes are needed, we just need to be careful of any potential unintended consequences. With hope, I wish for an outcome that can both protect female only spaces and afford dignity and respect to those who don't fit into societal norms. Call me a dreamer, but we did put a man on the moon...
Was it a man, though? 😅
Robin clearly does not understand a female’s feelings, worries, concerns - anything from a female point of view no matter how Robin dresses or how Robin perceives Robin. Robin is incredibly disingenuous. Please let Robin be Robin but don’t take from women’s rights.
Does he actually think he has changed from male to female?
It would appear so.
Robin is just standing up for her rights, she’s got balls.