Thoroughly enjoyed the entire episode. They worked in the elements of why the storyline was unfolding in the manner it was, while at the same time, keeping the main story plot of BoT down to the scripting. No real need to get into too much detail about it, but I will highlight some of my personal favorite minor bits. I especially liked that the Farragut was a TOS Miranda class light cruiser, rather than a Connie. Fit in with that one-off line of Sam saying Jim was jealous of the Enterprise. Plus it showcased that, yes, there was more than one class of Starfleet vessel during the TOS era. I really liked the juxtaposition of Angela Martine being the one to bite it in this episode, where Robert Tomlinson was the (sole) casualty from the original. It added to the effect of how this was all wrong. The sickbay camerawork... I think that jarring fixed walking perspective style is a little overused by this point, but it does give that effect of the person walking being in a bit of a daze and shock. But after Ray Donovan, I am just a little burnt on that style. I do think you're wrong about Spock on the biobed, I think we needed to see that. Everyone goes on about how, "Oh, hey, Pike can avoid the accident now and we can just keep this series, please?!" Well, here's the result. I think they did a good job not lingering on it, and letting Jess Bush really sell how bad it is. Scotty chiming in was a heartwarming bit, though it did present a slight nitpick... why was Spock in the tube fixing the main phaser relays if Scotty was right there? Casting, obviously, but also it was strictly so Spock would be catastrophically injured. I get the reasoning behind it. In the original episode, the phaser control circuits on the bridge blew during the initial attack on the Enterprise, which Spock fixed. Because those circuits were below the Science station. Which is a nitpick for the original episode as that made absolutely no sense whatsoever in bridge design, because the dedicated Weapons console is on the complete opposite side of the bridge, with ties over to Helm which is also on the opposite side of the bridge from Science. Those circuits shouldn't have been anywhere near, much less running directly under the Science station. But because Spock fixed the phasers in the original, they had him fixing the phasers here. And while they made the phaser relay burnout make more sense in terms of ship design, it makes even less sense that Spock was the one to fix them at all, much less while the Chief Engineer is below handing him tools like a glorified apprentice.
but it's so bittersweet in the end when you realize Pike and Romulan capt almost reached peace but time and place was not right, also I watched s1e14 TOS after watching finale, and I personally loved it, I could enjoy Quality of Mercy without watching TOS first, but after watching both my perspective has only expanded
Which is interesting when you consider TNG’s The Enemy. In that episode, Picard is facing off against a Romulan ship and decides to lower shields in order to beam up Geordie and a Romulan soldier. As this episode of SNW asserts, Romulans would see such an act as a sign of weakness and immediately attack. Pike’s gesture is similar to Picard’s. Both Captains trust their opponents to hold their fire. It’s a gamble that pays off for Picard, but not Pike. Are we to conclude that Romulans changed their attitudes after a century or that Picard was just lucky.
@@BigNoseDog It worked for Pike too, except the indoctrinated younger Romulan who had contacted his friend/commander that brought the Romulan fleet. Second, Picard is still in federation space, Pike was in the Neutral zone.
I loved this episode... Actually went back to rewatch Balance of Terror after this. I thought it was a really clever play on the original. Excellent end to an excellent first season.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 I've been pleasantly surprised by SNW... Didn't have high expectations going in as personally I didn't like Disco or Picard. This though was much better.
I rewatched Balance of Terror too. One thing that struck me is that Shatner’s Kirk although confident, charming and charismatic, isn’t the cocksure cowboy maverick that Paul Wesley and Chris Pine both played him as. Yes we all remember Shatner’s Kirk bluffed his way out of trouble in “The Corbomite Manuever” and cheated on The Kobyashi Maru test in Wrath of Khan, but in this episode Shatner Kirk second guesses himself, needs Bones to reassure him and isn’t the wild card that other actors play him as.
James T. Kirk in this episode is like the first Movie. He is eye candy offered to the TOS fans. He acted just enough to convince us he’s Kirk. If there is more episodes then let the developement of Kirk start. I loved it. I give it 4 and a 1/2 stars
I would actually put it at a great episode. I would give it 4 stars out of 5. The fact that whoever wrote this episode was actually a fan or took the time to really study the past material is something that is very refreshing. I thought this episode gave great respect to TOS without changing or rebooting anything. Yes, Kirk was not really the Kirk we know, they still told the story right.
Best episode of a stellar first season. Wesley delivers a Kirk that is his own not trying to emulate Shatner. I’m looking forward to seeing how he grows into the role.
Now about Kirk this is not the TOS Kirk BECAUSE this James Kirk never commands the Enterprise so his path would have taken a different direction. But Hopefully the actor will get a more Kirk feel
Each of us view these shows through different lenses. We always are appreciative for your views, but we have to agree to disagree, here. We rated this episode 10/10 (we have already watched it twice). We loved every moment of this show. Both of us loving TOS and even seeing Balance of Terror not too long ago...we loved how they blended the old with the new...to great success. My one thought...that will still change the future...is that NOW Captain Pike knows who and how the Romulans acts. He knows about their similarities with Vulcans (physically). More importantly, he knows about their view dialogue versus decisive and aggressive action. I feel, with just this knowledge, this cannot but change the future. Just a thought. We loved the lighting used in Balance of Terror. We loved that Lt. Erica Ortegas took on the Stiles role (without hurting her as a character). The direct recreations of scenes were done well. We agree with Sean Ferrick that it would have been a boon...if the actor who plays Sarek, James Frain...could have played the Commodore of the Romulan Bird of Prey. Just feel that that would have been a "chef's kiss" moment. The fish-eye lense was disorienting...and VERY effective. Also, seeing the fate of Spock (not just hearing about it), we think was very much a worthy moment. We agree that the Outpost Four administrator's death was cheesy. THAT could've been handled better...but not enough to dock the episode. We also really enjoyed Paul Wesley's James T. Kirk. Those are BIG shoes to fill...and as the episode progressed...we both believe he did VERY well. Not a parody, but a fresh look at such a Classic character. We believed that it WAS him. Thank you for all that you do. Putting your thoughts out for others to disagree with and maybe get mad about...it courageous. Thank you. We loved the season, and cannot wait to see what they have store for us in Season 2. PS - This episode didn't feel long to us. We were so sad that it was over...and wished we could just move on to S2 immediately. "Leave them wanting more", and they did.
I'm 66 and I've been watching Star Trek and all its series variations since the first season of the original series and all the movies. In strange new worlds they got it right., they brought back the Star Trek we missed for so long. It's new and it's different and yet it's the same. To put it in 2022 vernacular; the mix is both old and new and it's got one hell of a drop when you least expect it
@@treklad the were elements of kirk there without that influence but also a kirk that is not on the flagship , not had the pressures or decisions he would have had to make as captain of the enterprise or a captain on exploration would have had to do at least on such a long mission.
This show simply keeps impressing me every week. As an old school Trekkie, and having followed every iteration, I am grateful for this one. Because it's just so damn good👏👏👏👏
I loved this episode. The end with Una being arrested was correct because Pike learned that 7 years ago Una was arrested and was in jail. So Pike returns in his time was 7 years ago and it followed the storyline. As you know Una was not on the Enterprise when Kirk was captain of the ship and Spock was first officer . I believe they are slowly moving the story to the time when Kirk took command and Pike was promoted and left the ship. Pike realizes that he can't change his fate and that Kirk is supposed to be there to prevent a war. Kirk personality and command style is different from Pike's Paul Wesley's performance as Kirk was to show the difference style he had to Pike. Kirk not being the captain of the Enterprise his personality is different and I think in this story it was toned down. It is not fair to compared Shatner or Pine because they were captain of the Enterprise. So I think we should wait to see more of Wesley' performance as Kirk in season 2 of this show. I like the way they used an old episode called the Balance of Terror and made it a story of.Pike commanding the Enterprise in the situation and we see a different ending which was a war that continues and Spock being hurt instead of Pike .Spock needs to live so he can work for peace. Pike is at peace with his fate Spock does owe Pike but he doesn't know why which makes what he does in The Menagerie more understanding .It is logical to him that he owe Pike .Taking Pike to Talos VI is his way to paying Pike back
Let them give us seven seasons of Pike to reflect those 7 years before 2266…then they can give the E to Paul Wesley’s Kirk and give us a updated Star Trek!
This was a really excellent end to season 1. It was absolutely wonderful. I have watched it twice now and I need to watch it again. It was cerebral and so thought provoking. It was a work of homage to trek aficionados.
Thank you TREKLAD for giving my your opinions over this fist season LOOKING FORAWRD to the next series you review of Star Trek, I will be watch for episode three of TOS review
Great episode and ending. The Kirk bit, I think, was played the way it is by design from Wesley. He doesn't want to be an exact copy of Shatner for one but this is also a alternative version so it's never meant to be 1:1 from the start. Another thing is that in the end this is Pikes show and episode, they don't want their new Kirk to overshadow him in his own central episode. The Una ending is also fine with me. I wouldn't say it's tacked on. I think it's great that they actually tied up a plot thread from her episode that I saw many fans arguing about. The fact they used it as a segway into season 2 is just a bonus. Now with next season they can start new plot threads with nothing hanging loose from season 1.
I disagree with your points on Kirk. The time line has changed. Kirk would have been Captain of Enterprise for at least six weeks before this incident. So at this point he would be a little different. Loved the episode and went back to watch the original episode. To your questions...I think all of you dislikes are off base but this is your opinion.
Your view on the “pasta mama” scene at the beginning of the episode which deals with the idea of “making something new from old ingredients” is fun, funny, cool and unique! :-)
I kind of agree with you regarding the performance of this "New Kirk". Wondering if the altered timeline resulted in a different Kirk somehow and the producers tried to account for that. Beyond the Kirk issue, I found the episode to be fantastic. The music and zoom-in's I felt were a great nod to TOS. Seeing an older Pike pop-up in the maroon uniform (also my favorite), caused me to pretty much lose it! The redesign of the uniform was absolutely spot on.
I actually like Wesley as Kirk. I thought he did a fine job portraying Kirk, especially a version of Kirk that might be feeling a little held back in terms of his career. You have to remember this would be taking place during Pike's 3rd tour in command of the Enterprise, rather than vacating The Chair to Jim after his second 5-year deep space assignment. Meanwhile, the Farragut is a Miranda class light cruiser, which are more short term duty vessels rather than Deep Space Exploration ships. So Jim's likely feeling a little a jaded, especially considering that he's been given command of the same ship where he lost half his crew and his captain, and hadn't come to terms with the fact that it wasn't his fault.
Also remember this is a kirk without the influences of McCoy and Spock not to mention a host of other TOS characters. A Kirk who hasn't had the pressure of captain of the most well known ship in the fleet, likely lot less contact with exploration and senior staff
@@jameswg13 Very true. Without those important influences this Kirk was probably something of a Hot Shot. But certainly not a loose cannon. That honor is reserved for Chris Pine's portrayal 🤣.
Quality of Mercy was done really well. It has no overall impact on the original, while adding context to previous episodes. As for Kirk. First Impressions aren't always everything. It took me a few episodes to realize how amazing the Pike character was in Season 2 of Discovery. He was a charming man able to disarm the crew of Discovery, who were probably not going to trust whoever was made captain, unless it was from within the crew. I've never been a fan of Kirk in the TOS. He was so much better in the movies when they got him to stop over acting and the character became more likeable. So with this new actor, I'm indifferent to his performance. He also wasn't TOS Kirk. This was an alternate timeline so who are we to say they got Kirk wrong.
I disagree with you negatives about the episode. I've already watched it twice. Also, remember, this Kirk doesn't know Spock or the Enterprise crew. He evolved slightly different because he never took command of the Enterprise in this timeline.
I just realized this story is a bit like one I heard DC did: It was called "The Nail", and it showed a Justice League without Superman, and how without him some battles just plain turned out wrong. Oh, and the title? John and Martha (how do I know that name?) Kent are driving down a country road, and get a flat tire because of a nail. Down the road, baby Ka-El's pod lands during a meteor shower and the poor child dies.
You seemed to complain that this Kirk was not compelling. Or perhaps did not have a commanding presence? I did not dislike this version of Kirk. But I am not sure what I expected. Not seasoned yet? This Kirk of Kirk was only briefly introduced to Spock. And had this Kirk even met Bones (Dr. Mccoy)? Do not estimate how sometimes certain people are placed in your life (sometimes briefly, sometimes for years). They can really influence you and help shape the person you are today.
I like the new kirk,he wasn't the same kirk he didn't go through the same things or being with same people and all of that have a real effect on a person's personality so he not acting the same is showing he is realy good,iam looking forward to see him in s2..
I also loved this episode. My score would be 4.5 out of 5. I have loved all of the Easter eggs and Valentines this first season, and I hope to see more in season 2, but I agree that it’s time to have new stories that don’t rely so heavily on TOS. Overall, I rate season 1 a 5 out of 5. This, to me, is the best new Trek since TOS and Next Gen. Great recaps this season.
Good evening TREKLAD, I LOVED IT and I only have a few NIT PICKS 1- The USS Farragut is a Constitution class ship in TOS, 2- I would have like James Frain as SAREK in Discovery this is a SMALL thing to almost everyone BUT I WANTED to see the all gold swirl rank strips from TOS on the future uniforms
Wait, its only in Beta canon Farragut is a Constitution class, TOS gave only a few Constitution class vessels in the Doomsday Machine (edit: Ultimate Computer) episode
Pike finally loses patience with Ortegas’ aggressive attitude-but also, for the first time ever-that I can remember-for the two series he’s been on, since he first appeared on-screen in Star Trek: Discovery, before Strange New Worlds. Right?
So Pike finds out that if he successfully evades his fate, then Spock will be condemned to that fate instead. Heavy handed, but as Pike said, welcome to hell indeed.
I liked it. I really don't like the idea that Pike's fate is set in stone. Pike says the only way to see what happens, is to live it. My thought then is... if the actions he takes leads to Spock's disfigurement and a war with the Romulans, shouldn't it make sense that his way of handling this- with diplomacy- was the wrong course and that he should use the other alternative- destroy the enemy ship while he could- was actually the right course of action?
You're right that Paul Wesley wasn't a particularly compelling Kirk, but for the exact opposite reasons you stated - so much so that it's actually baffling you said it without a hint of irony. Wesley's interpretation was incredibly mild, the way he was constantly compromising and listening to Pike without insisting too hard on anything made him seem quite far removed from an action hero and almost too agreeable, especially considering that he and Pike were the same rank. He was adamant about destroying the Romulan BoP but not to the point of breaking or even bending any rules whatsoever. If anything, bringing up Pine's Kirk detracts even further from your point since that version was far more freewheeling and maverick. Pine was such a fratboy in his first outing as Kirk that he was a clear indication that the 2009 Trek writers didn't get Kirk beyond cultural osmosis and zeitgeist, especially given his womanizing and brawling. I have to press this point because I'm really not sure how you could contradict yourself so thoroughly like this. What exactly did Wesley do to make you think he was even remotely more of a wildcard than Pine's interpretation? There are a lot of complaints I have about this episode but your points about this version of Kirk are completely nonsensical.
Perception is in the eye of the beholder. Your opinion is no more or less valuable or valid than another's. And to pick an argument over a fictional character is what is nonsensical. Enjoy the show and it's writing and acting, without this BS. Live long, and Prosper🖖😊
@@boxtears pointless jabbering. The show and it's characters are an interpretation, not a mirroring, and represents a different timeline, with variables that cannot be accounted for. Your opinion is no more or less valid than another's. Be open to that possibility, and simply enjoy the creation, instead of seeking fault in it, and others.
Did not like the new Kirk, too much of a kid if we're referring to TOS, whereas that Kirk was deadly serious and his interaction with Pike could have been handled through audio, like Mister Scott, and honestly, this whole time-travel thing is really being beaten to death and Kirk's performance, and presence, was awkward. The whole arc is designed to show Pike that his horrid fate is integral to the future, and that's fine, but they had to kill Spock and endanger the galaxy to do it. Well, you asked.
I think you underrated this episode. At the least it should have gotten a 4.5 and not your 3.5.I disagreed with three of your criticisms. And I want to add something else. Yes, we needed to SEE as you put it "Spock's gore." Yes, we NEEDED to see Pike's expressions as he is touring sickbay. And last but not least the dramatic music score as we are seeing the injured and dead in sickbay really fit that scene.
Excellent episode that is truly Trek as we know it. However, I have one question: how did the whole Romulan armada came so quickly with such short notice but the ones from Star Fleet couldn't? Did I miss something here? Was that region of space much closer to Romulus than Federation space?
Have to disagree with the comments about the newer kirks and the old kirk. There's ton of critisims on the old character, both due to the character and they actor and they are spot on. The rebooted kirk had a good actor but I felt they did take a couple of things too far. That whole thing with him mistaking the orion girl for her dead friend I mean, dang, no I don't think kirk was that bad. OG kirk the character didnt desrve the heat he got from Shatner, but he definetly had his big flaws and i dont feel people should glorify or retcon that
The issue with the Kirk character - and it could be sold as a coming of age thing - is he lost his vainglorious sense of humour - this is what he does but at present: "Why so serious?"
4.5 out of 5. Loved the retelling of one of the best episodes in Star Trek History. Those Time Crystals are a kick, but enough of them. Few things that kept it from a 5 out of 5. Kirk was OK. It doesn't feel like James T. Kirk yet. Chris Pine was much better at it. The fishbowl look in Sickbay was not needed. Luna being taken away at the end of the episode was not much of a cliffhanger. May leave a plot hole since Pike does need to go to Talos and #1 is there with him. So does she come back in between a trial? Will there even be a trial? Can't just go and break here out of Starfleet prison. I guess the writer's doing what writers do. Otherwise, I Love SNW!!!!! Makes me want to watch it every week. MORE EPISODES !!!!!!!
What Iis the problem with the romulans? They never reveal their dislike of the federation. Sneaky and duplicitous and not to be trusted ever. Thr klingons are now understood. The character of Worf in r DS9 is thr key to understanding the klingons.
I think your review was overly harsh. Yes, Wesley is miscast as Kirk. Yes, the fish eye view of Pike in sickbay was unnecessary. And yes, the ending with Number One felt tacked on. But overall, I loved the episode and think it was easily the best of the series thus far. Showing the extent of Spock’s injuries was absolutely necessary. To simply talk about it would’ve been a cop out. You claim the episode offers nothing new and yet you contradict yourself by acknowledging that the episode explains why Spock feels indebted to Pike. Prior to this episode, we never understood why Spock would risk his future to help Pike. Lastly, the episode offers a clear rebuke of Voyager’s finale. In that episode, a future version of the captain travels back in time to change history not caring about the consequences of her decision. But this episode drives home the message that, even if you have the best of intentions, you shouldn’t mess with the timeline. Maybe the writers didn’t have Janeway in mind when they wrote this, but I certainly did.
Kirk is a lot more complicated than the picture we see of him in this episode. How is it that Sam calls him a pack of wild cards, but then pressed because Kirk sounds like a loose cannon typed asshole, Sam then says that Kirk is as fine a captain as there is in the Federation. How can that be? Also in later years such a person would never gain the respect and loyalty of Spock and crew.
Why would Pike NOT be promoted (or laterally appointed) to a Fleet Captain? In TOS, when the accident happens, Pike already was a Fleet Captain. This is an continuity issue . . . .
Also, Pike and Garth of Izore are both Fleet Captains. , What does that entail, is it like being a "Post Captain" in the Royal Navy in the age of sail? You get transferred in grade and don't go on half pay between assignments or get demoted to the grade of any other assignment you get. Is it like a CAPT who is Chief of Staff for an Admiral?
Awesome season, 10 episodes not enough, why does terrible Discovery have 14 episodes and SNW 10? Kirk, I think was fine and the audio cue I quite liked as it fed into the 60s styling of the episode. I loved this episode I think it was pretty much all ups for me. Id go as far as saying SNW stongest so far maybe?. I am not really enthused to see more of Kirk tbh, we have TOS seasons 1,2,3, animated and 5 movies of him, I want to see more of Pikes crew, we could have done with an Una and Ortegas spotlight, Hemmer was brilliant, why kill him off? I know the actor is scheduled to come back but it would need to be for a strong character. Also Chapel while we had a lot of her and Spocks relationship, she could have used a spotlight episode also. I really enjoyed the "holodeck" episode it was dumb but fun and Trek should always revert to being fun.
This Kirk felt nothing like the original Kirk but i thought that was the point. If that version of Kirk was supposed to be like the original Kirk then yeah facepalm disaster
bruv - do you YT trek critics not watch trek or something? shatners Kirk was a swashbuckling, womanizing, action star matinee idol! how many fist fights and dames did he get involved with by NOT following the rules? unless that was in the starfleet behavior manual, that I never read! and inarguably shatners best performance in TWOK, it's his rule breaking that both gets him in trouble (ask, Saavik) and out of trouble (ask Spock) - I think SNW did a really great job with Kirk , as Wesley gave us subtle winks and nods to shatners OTT trademark non subtlety and my gawd you guys say trek gives you nothing new - but when they do you freak and when they give you the familiar, you complain!!! you can't please the never content!
@@treklad 3 seasons of TOS and 6movies established, fundamental to Kirks portrayal by shatner and the creator of character is that he is 1st a schlock action star with some brains and heart - and if we're being completely honest most of those brains and heart of the character Kirk come from Spock and bones, forming the id, ego and superego - I dunno maybe I'm just one of the few trek watchers that tries to be honest when assessing the old and new - and don't immediately give the old stuff an automatic pass bc nostalgia vs objectivity
@@SC-mq1eh I could not disagree more!!! TOS Kirk to me is the perfect embodiment of 60s America. An optimistic sense of exploration, willing to break rules and get into a fight but only to defeat ignorance and intolerance. Movie Kirk very different beast, older more reflective, willing to say "surrender" if it will lead to peace. An amazing character.
@@rhysholdaway I don't hate Kirk, but especially in this point in his timeline he WAS the action hero - the JJverse ran with that, as they should have - SNW & JJs portrayal are correct for his age - we don't get the more "reflective" Kirk until the movies
Damn !! What a downer. I thought this was an amazing episode. Guess I’m not as knowledgeable as I should be so I can properly not enjoy this series. I’m an incredibly Amazed with the overwhelming negativity associated with the criticism of almost everything sci fi & super hero related. Oh well. Might be better to just watch and enjoy and not look for the follow up details provided by UA-camrs
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It's horrible, unoriginal, theft - copying full lines of dialog of a episode they already stole from. The original was about bigotry, this? Oh yeah, action, phasers, war. Good one.
my dude, bones and others constantly demeaning Spock about his cultural identify, ears and green blood are 100% bigotry - it was just a bit more glaring with the arrival of the romulans in TOS and SNW went there and addresses it - and when in trek WASNT there phasers. action and war?? not to mention SNW was spinning the TOS original from pikes POV vs what was originally kirks, so ofc it's going to borrow heavily from it! c'mon guy you're a trekkie, we use our brains, at least act like you know how to use it!
@@SC-mq1eh "There's no room for bigotry on my bridge. Mr!" You should do yourself a favor and watch the episode again. I imagine it's been years so you don't realize how good it was. And the older you get the better. The episode is because it is written for adults and not young people - And I mean children or young adults. No good Star Trek episode should only be about phasers and blowing things up. That's what SNW is. That's why it's bad Star Trek.
@@valueofnothing2487 "There's no room for bigotry on my bridge. Mr!" - except for countless times when we are degrading Spock for his pointy ears, green blood, and cultural values - do you even know what bigotry is? that's what SNW was addressing, the countless times Spock was openly put down because of his non human traits - I honestly can't believe that you guys missed that for 40+ years - probably why so many of your ilk are closeted or open women and minority haters - and likely why modern trek including the TNG era bent over backwards to try and make amends for past sins of the casual racism/bigotry of the past inherent in the TOS era and the main reason why TOS specifically, and even in the TNG era phasers and space battles weren't the norm were low budgets - but give those same producers some money for the movies and see how many 'splosions and pew pews we got! post 09 trek just has had some actual money to spend on efx, so they use it - but who knows, you may think TWOK or 1st contact are bad trek too or the dominion war is DS9
@@SC-mq1eh There's no reason to get personal. Yes, the TOS episode was about bigotry. It was about understanding your opponent and coming to terms of people that you disagree with. And instead of getting personal and insulting others, we try to see a common ground. You understand how difficult that can be!
First thought was …oh my God they got Jim Carrey to play Kirk again! I’m sorry but I see Star Trek strange new worlds kind of a generic Star Trek. Makes me appreciate the kelvin timeline a lot more. Too bad they couldn’t get Chris Pine to play Kirk. I seriously doubt that I’ll be tuning in for season 2. Oh well just more of a life’s disappointment
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This episode is amazing, one of the best Star Trek episodes.
Thoroughly enjoyed the entire episode. They worked in the elements of why the storyline was unfolding in the manner it was, while at the same time, keeping the main story plot of BoT down to the scripting. No real need to get into too much detail about it, but I will highlight some of my personal favorite minor bits.
I especially liked that the Farragut was a TOS Miranda class light cruiser, rather than a Connie. Fit in with that one-off line of Sam saying Jim was jealous of the Enterprise. Plus it showcased that, yes, there was more than one class of Starfleet vessel during the TOS era.
I really liked the juxtaposition of Angela Martine being the one to bite it in this episode, where Robert Tomlinson was the (sole) casualty from the original. It added to the effect of how this was all wrong. The sickbay camerawork... I think that jarring fixed walking perspective style is a little overused by this point, but it does give that effect of the person walking being in a bit of a daze and shock. But after Ray Donovan, I am just a little burnt on that style. I do think you're wrong about Spock on the biobed, I think we needed to see that. Everyone goes on about how, "Oh, hey, Pike can avoid the accident now and we can just keep this series, please?!" Well, here's the result. I think they did a good job not lingering on it, and letting Jess Bush really sell how bad it is.
Scotty chiming in was a heartwarming bit, though it did present a slight nitpick... why was Spock in the tube fixing the main phaser relays if Scotty was right there? Casting, obviously, but also it was strictly so Spock would be catastrophically injured. I get the reasoning behind it. In the original episode, the phaser control circuits on the bridge blew during the initial attack on the Enterprise, which Spock fixed. Because those circuits were below the Science station. Which is a nitpick for the original episode as that made absolutely no sense whatsoever in bridge design, because the dedicated Weapons console is on the complete opposite side of the bridge, with ties over to Helm which is also on the opposite side of the bridge from Science. Those circuits shouldn't have been anywhere near, much less running directly under the Science station. But because Spock fixed the phasers in the original, they had him fixing the phasers here. And while they made the phaser relay burnout make more sense in terms of ship design, it makes even less sense that Spock was the one to fix them at all, much less while the Chief Engineer is below handing him tools like a glorified apprentice.
I loved the idea that Pike, for all his strengths, was the wrong man for this encounter.
but it's so bittersweet in the end when you realize Pike and Romulan capt almost reached peace but time and place was not right, also I watched s1e14 TOS after watching finale, and I personally loved it, I could enjoy Quality of Mercy without watching TOS first, but after watching both my perspective has only expanded
Which is interesting when you consider TNG’s The Enemy. In that episode, Picard is facing off against a Romulan ship and decides to lower shields in order to beam up Geordie and a Romulan soldier. As this episode of SNW asserts, Romulans would see such an act as a sign of weakness and immediately attack. Pike’s gesture is similar to Picard’s. Both Captains trust their opponents to hold their fire. It’s a gamble that pays off for Picard, but not Pike. Are we to conclude that Romulans changed their attitudes after a century or that Picard was just lucky.
@@BigNoseDog It worked for Pike too, except the indoctrinated younger Romulan who had contacted his friend/commander that brought the Romulan fleet. Second, Picard is still in federation space, Pike was in the Neutral zone.
I loved this episode... Actually went back to rewatch Balance of Terror after this. I thought it was a really clever play on the original. Excellent end to an excellent first season.
I agree. It is one of the all time best Star Trek episodes.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 I've been pleasantly surprised by SNW... Didn't have high expectations going in as personally I didn't like Disco or Picard. This though was much better.
I rewatched Balance of Terror too. One thing that struck me is that Shatner’s Kirk although confident, charming and charismatic, isn’t the cocksure cowboy maverick that Paul Wesley and Chris Pine both played him as. Yes we all remember Shatner’s Kirk bluffed his way out of trouble in “The Corbomite Manuever” and cheated on The Kobyashi Maru test in Wrath of Khan, but in this episode Shatner Kirk second guesses himself, needs Bones to reassure him and isn’t the wild card that other actors play him as.
@@rhysholdaway SNW is cool. I am happy with it and thank Akiva Goldsman for saving and improving Star Trek.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 👍... my only criticism of it is that we only got 10 episodes.
James T. Kirk in this episode is like the first Movie. He is eye candy offered to the TOS fans. He acted just enough to convince us he’s Kirk. If there is more episodes then let the developement of Kirk start. I loved it. I give it 4 and a 1/2 stars
He was terribly Miscast. Paul Wesley doesn't work as Kirk
Nothing like Kirk at all@@Knightfall182
@@Knightfall182 I completly disagree.
I would actually put it at a great episode. I would give it 4 stars out of 5. The fact that whoever wrote this episode was actually a fan or took the time to really study the past material is something that is very refreshing. I thought this episode gave great respect to TOS without changing or rebooting anything. Yes, Kirk was not really the Kirk we know, they still told the story right.
This is one of the all time best Star Trek episodes.
Best episode of a stellar first season. Wesley delivers a Kirk that is his own not trying to emulate Shatner. I’m looking forward to seeing how he grows into the role.
my only issue is that the actor reminds me of Rod Serling and I was wondering during the episode - am I in the Twilight zone?
I’m willing to give him a chance though my first impression was that he lacks the physicality of the role.
The first Gorn episode was the best of the season. This episode was #2.
@@MikeyD8716 That was second in my opinion. Maybe if the Gorn episode actually moved me to tears like the scene with Pike and Chapel.
He delivered a Terrible performance that doesn't come across like Kirk at all... Wesley was miscast
Now about Kirk this is not the TOS Kirk BECAUSE this James Kirk never commands the Enterprise so his path would have taken a different direction. But Hopefully the actor will get a more Kirk feel
Im glad hes not pulling a pine and doing an over the top shatner impression i liked his portrayal
@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 It was ok Thanks for the reply
I gave it a 10/10+1 I LOVED IT ALL this is what a final should look like DISCOVERY and PICARD NOT EVEN CLOSE
Thomas I quite agree. This was Star Trek..( imagine having to wait plus fifty years )..
Discovery and Picard were not…👵🇦🇺🇺🇸
Each of us view these shows through different lenses. We always are appreciative for your views, but we have to agree to disagree, here.
We rated this episode 10/10 (we have already watched it twice). We loved every moment of this show. Both of us loving TOS and even seeing Balance of Terror not too long ago...we loved how they blended the old with the new...to great success.
My one thought...that will still change the future...is that NOW Captain Pike knows who and how the Romulans acts. He knows about their similarities with Vulcans (physically). More importantly, he knows about their view dialogue versus decisive and aggressive action. I feel, with just this knowledge, this cannot but change the future. Just a thought.
We loved the lighting used in Balance of Terror. We loved that Lt. Erica Ortegas took on the Stiles role (without hurting her as a character). The direct recreations of scenes were done well.
We agree with Sean Ferrick that it would have been a boon...if the actor who plays Sarek, James Frain...could have played the Commodore of the Romulan Bird of Prey. Just feel that that would have been a "chef's kiss" moment.
The fish-eye lense was disorienting...and VERY effective. Also, seeing the fate of Spock (not just hearing about it), we think was very much a worthy moment.
We agree that the Outpost Four administrator's death was cheesy. THAT could've been handled better...but not enough to dock the episode.
We also really enjoyed Paul Wesley's James T. Kirk. Those are BIG shoes to fill...and as the episode progressed...we both believe he did VERY well. Not a parody, but a fresh look at such a Classic character. We believed that it WAS him.
Thank you for all that you do. Putting your thoughts out for others to disagree with and maybe get mad about...it courageous. Thank you.
We loved the season, and cannot wait to see what they have store for us in Season 2.
PS - This episode didn't feel long to us. We were so sad that it was over...and wished we could just move on to S2 immediately. "Leave them wanting more", and they did.
I'm 66 and I've been watching Star Trek and all its series variations since the first season of the original series and all the movies. In strange new worlds they got it right., they brought back the Star Trek we missed for so long. It's new and it's different and yet it's the same. To put it in 2022 vernacular; the mix is both old and new and it's got one hell of a drop when you least expect it
I think the new kirk we have to remember hasn't had MCcoy and spock influencing him so I wasn't as bothered by this portrayal.
That's actually a fantastic point.
@@treklad the were elements of kirk there without that influence but also a kirk that is not on the flagship , not had the pressures or decisions he would have had to make as captain of the enterprise or a captain on exploration would have had to do at least on such a long mission.
This show simply keeps impressing me every week. As an old school Trekkie, and having followed every iteration, I am grateful for this one. Because it's just so damn good👏👏👏👏
wonderful review.
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LMFAO I wanted Kirk to say to Pike, for the sake of MILLIONS of lives Chris I'm taking command of the Enterprise. Get outta my chair
At first, Wesley's Kirk reminded me of Jim Carrey's Kirk on In Living Color, but he grew on me as the episode progressed. Maybe he'll be OK.
I loved this episode. The end with Una being arrested was correct because Pike learned that 7 years ago Una was arrested and was in jail. So Pike returns in his time was 7 years ago and it followed the storyline. As you know Una was not on the Enterprise when Kirk was captain of the ship and Spock was first officer . I believe they are slowly moving the story to the time when Kirk took command and Pike was promoted and left the ship. Pike realizes that he can't change his fate and that Kirk is supposed to be there to prevent a war. Kirk personality and command style is different from Pike's Paul Wesley's performance as Kirk was to show the difference style he had to Pike. Kirk not being the captain of the Enterprise his personality is different and I think in this story it was toned down. It is not fair to compared Shatner or Pine because they were captain of the Enterprise. So I think we should wait to see more of Wesley' performance as Kirk in season 2 of this show. I like the way they used an old episode called the Balance of Terror and made it a story of.Pike commanding the Enterprise in the situation and we see a different ending which was a war that continues and Spock being hurt instead of Pike .Spock needs to live so he can work for peace. Pike is at peace with his fate
Spock does owe Pike but he doesn't know why which makes what he does in The Menagerie more understanding .It is logical to him that he owe Pike .Taking Pike to Talos VI is his way to paying Pike back
Let them give us seven seasons of Pike to reflect those 7 years before 2266…then they can give the E to Paul Wesley’s Kirk and give us a updated Star Trek!
I did think there was so many things that I loved about TOS Balance of Terror that made me smile and laugh with glee
This was a really excellent end to season 1. It was absolutely wonderful. I have watched it twice now and I need to watch it again. It was cerebral and so thought provoking. It was a work of homage to trek aficionados.
Thank you TREKLAD for giving my your opinions over this fist season LOOKING FORAWRD to the next series you review of Star Trek, I will be watch for episode three of TOS review
Great episode and ending. The Kirk bit, I think, was played the way it is by design from Wesley. He doesn't want to be an exact copy of Shatner for one but this is also a alternative version so it's never meant to be 1:1 from the start.
Another thing is that in the end this is Pikes show and episode, they don't want their new Kirk to overshadow him in his own central episode.
The Una ending is also fine with me. I wouldn't say it's tacked on. I think it's great that they actually tied up a plot thread from her episode that I saw many fans arguing about. The fact they used it as a segway into season 2 is just a bonus. Now with next season they can start new plot threads with nothing hanging loose from season 1.
Dude reminded me more of Wesley Crusher than Kirk.
Best episode of a great season. The ending reminds me of the cliffhangers from TNG. Can't wait for season 2. Great video keep them coming
I disagree with your points on Kirk. The time line has changed. Kirk would have been Captain of Enterprise for at least six weeks before this incident. So at this point he would be a little different. Loved the episode and went back to watch the original episode. To your questions...I think all of you dislikes are off base but this is your opinion.
Your view on the “pasta mama” scene at the beginning of the episode which deals with the idea of “making something new from old ingredients” is fun, funny, cool and unique! :-)
And we all have our opinions!!!
Oh, this episode as a pasta mama of Balance of Terror. Thanks, I can't unsee that now.
I kind of agree with you regarding the performance of this "New Kirk". Wondering if the altered timeline resulted in a different Kirk somehow and the producers tried to account for that.
Beyond the Kirk issue, I found the episode to be fantastic. The music and zoom-in's I felt were a great nod to TOS. Seeing an older Pike pop-up in the maroon uniform (also my favorite), caused me to pretty much lose it! The redesign of the uniform was absolutely spot on.
I actually like Wesley as Kirk. I thought he did a fine job portraying Kirk, especially a version of Kirk that might be feeling a little held back in terms of his career. You have to remember this would be taking place during Pike's 3rd tour in command of the Enterprise, rather than vacating The Chair to Jim after his second 5-year deep space assignment. Meanwhile, the Farragut is a Miranda class light cruiser, which are more short term duty vessels rather than Deep Space Exploration ships. So Jim's likely feeling a little a jaded, especially considering that he's been given command of the same ship where he lost half his crew and his captain, and hadn't come to terms with the fact that it wasn't his fault.
@@rcslyman8929 Very good points ☝🏾
Also remember this is a kirk without the influences of McCoy and Spock not to mention a host of other TOS characters. A Kirk who hasn't had the pressure of captain of the most well known ship in the fleet, likely lot less contact with exploration and senior staff
@@jameswg13 Very true. Without those important influences this Kirk was probably something of a Hot Shot. But certainly not a loose cannon. That honor is reserved for Chris Pine's portrayal 🤣.
@@KingUltraMayne maybe a hot streak but not as well known so less arrogance as well.
Quality of Mercy was done really well. It has no overall impact on the original, while adding context to previous episodes. As for Kirk. First Impressions aren't always everything. It took me a few episodes to realize how amazing the Pike character was in Season 2 of Discovery. He was a charming man able to disarm the crew of Discovery, who were probably not going to trust whoever was made captain, unless it was from within the crew. I've never been a fan of Kirk in the TOS. He was so much better in the movies when they got him to stop over acting and the character became more likeable. So with this new actor, I'm indifferent to his performance. He also wasn't TOS Kirk. This was an alternate timeline so who are we to say they got Kirk wrong.
I disagree with you negatives about the episode. I've already watched it twice. Also, remember, this Kirk doesn't know Spock or the Enterprise crew. He evolved slightly different because he never took command of the Enterprise in this timeline.
I just realized this story is a bit like one I heard DC did: It was called "The Nail", and it showed a Justice League without Superman, and how without him some battles just plain turned out wrong.
Oh, and the title? John and Martha (how do I know that name?) Kent are driving down a country road, and get a flat tire because of a nail. Down the road, baby Ka-El's pod lands during a meteor shower and the poor child dies.
I think it landed a perfect 10 dismount
You seemed to complain that this Kirk was not compelling. Or perhaps did not have a commanding presence? I did not dislike this version of Kirk. But I am not sure what I expected. Not seasoned yet? This Kirk of Kirk was only briefly introduced to Spock. And had this Kirk even met Bones (Dr. Mccoy)? Do not estimate how sometimes certain people are placed in your life (sometimes briefly, sometimes for years). They can really influence you and help shape the person you are today.
Looking at Pike in a motion picture era uniform.
I wonder, how would he handle the V'GER, Genesis project, and Whale Probe incidents?
There is hope for the future... Not perfect but, I still think Strange New Worlds, is gonna bring us back to good Trek !!!!
I like the new kirk,he wasn't the same kirk he didn't go through the same things or being with same people and all of that have a real effect on a person's personality so he not acting the same is showing he is realy good,iam looking forward to see him in s2..
Yes I look forward to a second watch on Monday night at 10:00pm on CTV Sci-Fi channel here in Toronto Canada
I also loved this episode. My score would be 4.5 out of 5. I have loved all of the Easter eggs and Valentines this first season, and I hope to see more in season 2, but I agree that it’s time to have new stories that don’t rely so heavily on TOS. Overall, I rate season 1 a 5 out of 5. This, to me, is the best new Trek since TOS and Next Gen. Great recaps this season.
It had an “It’s a Wonderful Life” kind of quality to it
Good evening TREKLAD, I LOVED IT and I only have a few NIT PICKS 1- The USS Farragut is a Constitution class ship in TOS, 2- I would have like James Frain as SAREK in Discovery this is a SMALL thing to almost everyone BUT I WANTED to see the all gold swirl rank strips from TOS on the future uniforms
Wait, its only in Beta canon Farragut is a Constitution class, TOS gave only a few Constitution class vessels in the Doomsday Machine (edit: Ultimate Computer) episode
It is true that the Farragut was constitution class but it was a brand new ship. Maybe this is why
@@kidr5510 Thanks for your reply MAYBE that is why I think that
@@monakh_jcf2312 Thank you for your reply. I have always thought of her as one of the twelve Constitution class ships in my opinion
Pike finally loses patience with Ortegas’ aggressive attitude-but also, for the first time ever-that I can remember-for the two series he’s been on, since he first appeared on-screen in Star Trek: Discovery, before Strange New Worlds. Right?
So Pike finds out that if he successfully evades his fate, then Spock will be condemned to that fate instead. Heavy handed, but as Pike said, welcome to hell indeed.
I hope we get to see The Red uniforms more. We haven't revisited that era in the modern era. I'd love to see some stories set there
Great job. I hope you feel better soon. Beat Covids assumed, bro.
I liked it. I really don't like the idea that Pike's fate is set in stone. Pike says the only way to see what happens, is to live it. My thought then is... if the actions he takes leads to Spock's disfigurement and a war with the Romulans, shouldn't it make sense that his way of handling this- with diplomacy- was the wrong course and that he should use the other alternative- destroy the enemy ship while he could- was actually the right course of action?
My son said, "The best way to understand a horrible future is to live it" would make a lousy t-shirt.
Enjoyable, far as future past, it's like Firstborn..
It was good, so is the series. Been a long time from DS9 to now. Season 2 could be great.
The Romulans may look like Spock and Vucans in general, but in this version their captain doesn't look his dad in particular.
You're right that Paul Wesley wasn't a particularly compelling Kirk, but for the exact opposite reasons you stated - so much so that it's actually baffling you said it without a hint of irony. Wesley's interpretation was incredibly mild, the way he was constantly compromising and listening to Pike without insisting too hard on anything made him seem quite far removed from an action hero and almost too agreeable, especially considering that he and Pike were the same rank. He was adamant about destroying the Romulan BoP but not to the point of breaking or even bending any rules whatsoever. If anything, bringing up Pine's Kirk detracts even further from your point since that version was far more freewheeling and maverick. Pine was such a fratboy in his first outing as Kirk that he was a clear indication that the 2009 Trek writers didn't get Kirk beyond cultural osmosis and zeitgeist, especially given his womanizing and brawling.
I have to press this point because I'm really not sure how you could contradict yourself so thoroughly like this. What exactly did Wesley do to make you think he was even remotely more of a wildcard than Pine's interpretation? There are a lot of complaints I have about this episode but your points about this version of Kirk are completely nonsensical.
Perception is in the eye of the beholder. Your opinion is no more or less valuable or valid than another's. And to pick an argument over a fictional character is what is nonsensical. Enjoy the show and it's writing and acting, without this BS. Live long, and Prosper🖖😊
@@timothyoneil5447 My opinion is more valid because it doesn't contradict itself.
@@boxtears pointless jabbering. The show and it's characters are an interpretation, not a mirroring, and represents a different timeline, with variables that cannot be accounted for. Your opinion is no more or less valid than another's. Be open to that possibility, and simply enjoy the creation, instead of seeking fault in it, and others.
@@timothyoneil5447 Spoken like someone who didn't read my opinion. I shan't entertain your hypocrisy.
@@boxtears Fair enough. Speaking with a closed mind is a waste. You won't hear from me again. I'll hope for the same courtesy from you
Suggest The Federation consider proposing a Neutral Zone wider than 1 Kilometer
Did not like the new Kirk, too much of a kid if we're referring to TOS, whereas that Kirk was deadly serious and his interaction with Pike could have been handled through audio, like Mister Scott, and honestly, this whole time-travel thing is really being beaten to death and Kirk's performance, and presence, was awkward. The whole arc is designed to show Pike that his horrid fate is integral to the future, and that's fine, but they had to kill Spock and endanger the galaxy to do it. Well, you asked.
I think you underrated this episode. At the least it should have gotten a 4.5 and not your 3.5.I disagreed with three of your criticisms. And I want to add something else. Yes, we needed to SEE as you put it "Spock's gore." Yes, we NEEDED to see Pike's expressions as he is touring sickbay. And last but not least the dramatic music score as we are seeing the injured and dead in sickbay really fit that scene.
Excellent episode that is truly Trek as we know it. However, I have one question: how did the whole Romulan armada came so quickly with such short notice but the ones from Star Fleet couldn't? Did I miss something here? Was that region of space much closer to Romulus than Federation space?
Have to disagree with the comments about the newer kirks and the old kirk. There's ton of critisims on the old character, both due to the character and they actor and they are spot on. The rebooted kirk had a good actor but I felt they did take a couple of things too far. That whole thing with him mistaking the orion girl for her dead friend I mean, dang, no I don't think kirk was that bad. OG kirk the character didnt desrve the heat he got from Shatner, but he definetly had his big flaws and i dont feel people should glorify or retcon that
I feel like the review was a bit harsh, although I do agree with the bits about Kirk
The issue with the Kirk character - and it could be sold as a coming of age thing - is he lost his vainglorious sense of humour - this is what he does but at present: "Why so serious?"
4.5 out of 5.
Loved the retelling of one of the best episodes in Star Trek History. Those Time Crystals are a kick, but enough of them.
Few things that kept it from a 5 out of 5. Kirk was OK. It doesn't feel like James T. Kirk yet. Chris Pine was much better at it. The fishbowl look in Sickbay was not needed. Luna being taken away at the end of the episode was not much of a cliffhanger. May leave a plot hole since Pike does need to go to Talos and #1 is there with him. So does she come back in between a trial? Will there even be a trial? Can't just go and break here out of Starfleet prison. I guess the writer's doing what writers do. Otherwise, I Love SNW!!!!! Makes me want to watch it every week. MORE EPISODES !!!!!!!
I enjoyed this series very much.
I thought Kirk was pretty good.
What Iis the problem with the romulans? They never reveal their dislike of the federation. Sneaky and duplicitous and not to be trusted ever. Thr klingons are now understood. The character of Worf in r DS9 is thr key to understanding the klingons.
I think your review was overly harsh. Yes, Wesley is miscast as Kirk. Yes, the fish eye view of Pike in sickbay was unnecessary. And yes, the ending with Number One felt tacked on. But overall, I loved the episode and think it was easily the best of the series thus far. Showing the extent of Spock’s injuries was absolutely necessary. To simply talk about it would’ve been a cop out. You claim the episode offers nothing new and yet you contradict yourself by acknowledging that the episode explains why Spock feels indebted to Pike. Prior to this episode, we never understood why Spock would risk his future to help Pike. Lastly, the episode offers a clear rebuke of Voyager’s finale. In that episode, a future version of the captain travels back in time to change history not caring about the consequences of her decision. But this episode drives home the message that, even if you have the best of intentions, you shouldn’t mess with the timeline. Maybe the writers didn’t have Janeway in mind when they wrote this, but I certainly did.
this epo was great in all count
It's Better Than Picard and Discovery hands down
REVIEW: "Is just remixed and reharshes at this point." (Minute 4:28)
ME: And for that, is not true Star Trek.
Kirk is a lot more complicated than the picture we see of him in this episode. How is it that Sam calls him a pack of wild cards, but then pressed because Kirk sounds like a loose cannon typed asshole, Sam then says that Kirk is as fine a captain as there is in the Federation. How can that be? Also in later years such a person would never gain the respect and loyalty of Spock and crew.
Why would Pike NOT be promoted (or laterally appointed) to a Fleet Captain? In TOS, when the accident happens, Pike already was a Fleet Captain. This is an continuity issue . . . .
Also, Pike and Garth of Izore are both Fleet Captains. ,
What does that entail, is it like being a "Post Captain" in the Royal Navy in the age of sail? You get transferred in grade and don't go on half pay between assignments or get demoted to the grade of any other assignment you get.
Is it like a CAPT who is Chief of Staff for an Admiral?
Awesome season, 10 episodes not enough, why does terrible Discovery have 14 episodes and SNW 10? Kirk, I think was fine and the audio cue I quite liked as it fed into the 60s styling of the episode. I loved this episode I think it was pretty much all ups for me. Id go as far as saying SNW stongest so far maybe?. I am not really enthused to see more of Kirk tbh, we have TOS seasons 1,2,3, animated and 5 movies of him, I want to see more of Pikes crew, we could have done with an Una and Ortegas spotlight, Hemmer was brilliant, why kill him off? I know the actor is scheduled to come back but it would need to be for a strong character. Also Chapel while we had a lot of her and Spocks relationship, she could have used a spotlight episode also. I really enjoyed the "holodeck" episode it was dumb but fun and Trek should always revert to being fun.
I can't recall a better hour of Treek *certainly in receint times, and I find your complaints trivial. 5.5
Great episode. I think your review was a bit harsh.
This Kirk felt nothing like the original Kirk but i thought that was the point.
If that version of Kirk was supposed to be like the original Kirk then yeah facepalm disaster
Whoever cast that new Kirk needs to be fired. He looks and acts nothing like Kirk.
Pike was a much better Kirk, than Kirk was...
bruv - do you YT trek critics not watch trek or something? shatners Kirk was a swashbuckling, womanizing, action star matinee idol! how many fist fights and dames did he get involved with by NOT following the rules? unless that was in the starfleet behavior manual, that I never read! and inarguably shatners best performance in TWOK, it's his rule breaking that both gets him in trouble (ask, Saavik) and out of trouble (ask Spock) - I think SNW did a really great job with Kirk , as Wesley gave us subtle winks and nods to shatners OTT trademark non subtlety
and my gawd you guys say trek gives you nothing new - but when they do you freak and when they give you the familiar, you complain!!! you can't please the never content!
My point is swashbuckling, womanizing, action star matinee idol is ALL modern Trek thinks Kirk was. He was more. Much much more. Bruv.
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3 seasons of TOS and 6movies established, fundamental to Kirks portrayal by shatner and the creator of character is that he is 1st a schlock action star with some brains and heart - and if we're being completely honest most of those brains and heart of the character Kirk come from Spock and bones, forming the id, ego and superego - I dunno maybe I'm just one of the few trek watchers that tries to be honest when assessing the old and new - and don't immediately give the old stuff an automatic pass bc nostalgia vs objectivity
Good points. Who wants new. That was Discovery. No thanks. Kirk is a game player. SNW Kirk was well written.
@@SC-mq1eh I could not disagree more!!! TOS Kirk to me is the perfect embodiment of 60s America. An optimistic sense of exploration, willing to break rules and get into a fight but only to defeat ignorance and intolerance. Movie Kirk very different beast, older more reflective, willing to say "surrender" if it will lead to peace. An amazing character.
@@rhysholdaway
I don't hate Kirk, but especially in this point in his timeline he WAS the action hero - the JJverse ran with that, as they should have - SNW & JJs portrayal are correct for his age - we don't get the more "reflective" Kirk until the movies
I disagree with much of your argument.
Damn !! What a downer. I thought this was an amazing episode. Guess I’m not as knowledgeable as I should be so I can properly not enjoy this series. I’m an incredibly Amazed with the overwhelming negativity associated with the criticism of almost everything sci fi & super hero related. Oh well. Might be better to just watch and enjoy and not look for the follow up details provided by UA-camrs
I did not like this Kirk... Seems off and not the right fit.
This episode was a 10 out of 10 you will not be earning my subscription sir
I encourage you to watch more of TrekLad's videos. We don't always agree, but he is very good at explaining why this or that does or doesn't work.
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@@grafffuller3265 just kidding I'll subscribe
Isn't Kirk blonde !? Woa! It isn't Kirk !?
depends on what toupee he is wearing
It's horrible, unoriginal, theft - copying full lines of dialog of a episode they already stole from. The original was about bigotry, this? Oh yeah, action, phasers, war. Good one.
my dude, bones and others constantly demeaning Spock about his cultural identify, ears and green blood are 100% bigotry - it was just a bit more glaring with the arrival of the romulans in TOS and SNW went there and addresses it - and when in trek WASNT there phasers. action and war?? not to mention SNW was spinning the TOS original from pikes POV vs what was originally kirks, so ofc it's going to borrow heavily from it!
c'mon guy you're a trekkie, we use our brains, at least act like you know how to use it!
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"There's no room for bigotry on my bridge. Mr!"
You should do yourself a favor and watch the episode again. I imagine it's been years so you don't realize how good it was. And the older you get the better. The episode is because it is written for adults and not young people - And I mean children or young adults.
No good Star Trek episode should only be about phasers and blowing things up. That's what SNW is. That's why it's bad Star Trek.
No it’s not…it’s a love letter to TOS. It was fascinating.
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"There's no room for bigotry on my bridge. Mr!" - except for countless times when we are degrading Spock for his pointy ears, green blood, and cultural values - do you even know what bigotry is? that's what SNW was addressing, the countless times Spock was openly put down because of his non human traits - I honestly can't believe that you guys missed that for 40+ years - probably why so many of your ilk are closeted or open women and minority haters - and likely why modern trek including the TNG era bent over backwards to try and make amends for past sins of the casual racism/bigotry of the past inherent in the TOS era
and the main reason why TOS specifically, and even in the TNG era phasers and space battles weren't the norm were low budgets - but give those same producers some money for the movies and see how many 'splosions and pew pews we got! post 09 trek just has had some actual money to spend on efx, so they use it - but who knows, you may think TWOK or 1st contact are bad trek too or the dominion war is DS9
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There's no reason to get personal.
Yes, the TOS episode was about bigotry. It was about understanding your opponent and coming to terms of people that you disagree with.
And instead of getting personal and insulting others, we try to see a common ground.
You understand how difficult that can be!
First thought was …oh my God they got Jim Carrey to play Kirk again! I’m sorry but I see Star Trek strange new worlds kind of a generic Star Trek. Makes me appreciate the kelvin timeline a lot more. Too bad they couldn’t get Chris Pine to play Kirk. I seriously doubt that I’ll be tuning in for season 2. Oh well just more of a life’s disappointment
SNW Kirk was written well though. SNW and this episode are awesome.
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