I was shocked with Hemmer’s death. He is was my favorite character after Pike. I wish they had kept him around longer. He was an amazing character. His death was as shocking to me as Ned Stark in GOT.
Hemmers death and laan's leaving made this feel more reeel than just red shirt deaths. That said it probably has to go down that path because it comes with being a prequel.
I loved it! Very shocked to see Hemmer killed off?! But we all know where this ship crew has to end up. So hope La’han isn’t leaving too!? But kind of excited to hopefully meet a young Scotty for season 2.
Why does EVERYONE keep missing the fact that Uhura's journey of initially wanting to leave but being talked into stay is a DIRECT reference to Nichelle Nicholes' journey to being talked into staying with Star Trek by Martin Luther King Jr.? In the US NAVY, having similar ships that are different is NOT an unusual thing. Spruance class and Kidd class destroyers are examples of this. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL!!
Because you should not write in reference. That is the problem with writing today. DS9 had an episode of police brutality on an African American. This episode had Uhura ripping of the tune of Close Encounters. SNW has horror, Love Boat and Freaky Friday. It is a disgrace in my opinion. Nichele Nichols also wanted to leave Star Trek S3 as well to have a 5 year contract on Mannix. Maybe she made a mistake - even though her mistake would be our gain.
@@valueofnothing2487 not writing in references is unrealistic beyond measure. It’s done so often there’s a term for it, “Easter eggs”. While true, she also talked about how she took great joy in recruiting for NASA.
@@Knightshade08 Interesting.i didn't know that. But that's how you write episode. You think of good ideas like that and then you replicate them with an alien race, which you could do. But these writers lack that kind of risk and creativity.
I honestly don't think they would have killed him with out thinking of a better replacement (Scotty). Which trust me, will completely wipe Hemmer off our minds.
Which is exactly what I don't want, I like new crew and it looks like other people like them too, Hemmer was nice character. I really don't like that plot about Pike seeying his future in Discovery, it seems like that moment is more and more close, but I want more Pike, this is not Kirk Enterprise show for me. I really like SNW, but I am afraid that they will turn it to Kirk show already in season 2.
I was entertained during this episode. But WHY Hemmer. I only just found out that he is an actual blind actor after researching after the episode. So again. WHY?! GOOOORRRRNNN!
This episode is cool and good. New Spock is awesome. I love the Spock, Chapel, and T'Pring dynamic. SNW has a huge Farscape influence, and I am a Farscape fan. I hope La'an (Aeryn Sun) returns.
@@kev30631 Some SNW episodes feel like Farscape episodes, especially episode 8 where the ship gets weird. There is a pivotal horror episode in season 3 of Farscape, the one where Crichton is doubled, which reminds me of episode 9 of SNW. Farscape would do well set up surprises which were cool, subversion of expectations done right. (The only time Farscape strongly disappointed me was in the episode about Moya's origin. So bad. Not sure how that happened. There are very few bad Farscape episodes, though Season 4, while cool, is kind of a mess.) Also, La'an reminds be of Aeryn Sun. The Guardians of the Galaxy movies are a copy of Farscape. Crichton is in the second one.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 I have dvds of farscape and enjoy the audio commentary By the stars. Talking about the episodes. Such great stuff. Great memories 👍
i did not see the death coming for Hemmer, i was a bit surprised as i loved the character. But the actor did disappear for a couple of episodes which I thought was strange... definitely felt the Gorn were based on Alien and Predator and it will be interested to see where it goes from here.
I imagined La'an is an adult Newt and the episode is an Alien sequel better than the terrible Alien movies Fox made after Aliens. Though she is more like Aeryn Sun from Farscape. There is a huge Farscape influence in SNW. It has a pivotal and vaguely similar horror episode in the third season. I hope La'an returns. Chong is awesome.
I think they killed off Hemmer with grace and nobility as they killed off Spock 40 years ago. Sacrifice and courage in facing painful death. That upset uberfans then too, but Nimoy wanted to move on...then changed his mind after he actually enjoyed filming TWoK. This actor obviously didn't intend to stay past S1 and only had about 40 minutes of screen time in 540minutes of SNW to date. A group of fans in 82, threatened Nimoys family and the producers when GR leaked the surprise ending, because he was mad at being shut out by Paramount after his erratic actions producing TMP. That really happened...fans threatened the real Leonard Nimoy and his family. Get a grip...it is just a character, and actors have plans IRL.
The episode felt like a Star Trek remake of Alien. Especially Gorn infecting others to lay eggs inside them and making babies being able to do that. They were like baby xenomorphs.. don’t know felt like a strange rip off. Would have liked something more original and creative. With crew members already leaving - the show will probably not have many seasons as it seems.
They film these shows back to back. There are only 10 episodes. They can easily make as many seasons as they want. It's on a streaming service that they own. It's not being cancelled or renewed by a traditional prodcast TV network.
They can easily restore continuity with TOS, by establishing that mercurial quickness and egg-laying capability are attributes not shared by the male of the Gorn species. Males embody enormous stature, strength, and toughness while being almost glacial in their movements. Female Gorn aren't given command because they're too preoccupied with matters pertaining to reproduction. They are tactical thinkers rather than strategic.
Any STO players here with Gorn captains or Bridge officers are gonna be like" Holy sht! didn't expect the Gorn reproduction process to be like this" This really shine a light on literally how vicious the Gorn are starting from birth. We got a whole Xenomorph inspire plot on them lol
Love SNW, but this episode just shot up to one of my top 10, maybe top 5 episode among my top TNG/DS9 episodes. The alien homage in Star Trek was awesome! Even with alien vision from alien 3
I would have really liked if the second starship would have been something akin to a SNW era Miranda class. Different from the outside, but quite similar to the Connie on the inside. The way they did it, I wondered why they didn‘t just declare it another Constitution Class, as it looks 100% similar inside and out. The only spotable difference is that everything that is painted red on Enterprise is painted blue on the Perregrine instead. Seems a bit like they cheaped out of having to create another CGI model for the guest ship, at the last minute…
One thing that I was unsure about was how the Gorn managed to defeat a whole ship with 90ish crew members. At first, it didn't make sense to me but then I thought about how easy it is for them to infect other species with their eggs. I could imagine it almost being a combination of zombies and aliens. It might start out with just a few (3-4) baby Gorn that kill a couple crew members, go and hide and start ambushing the crew--killing some but infecting others. Like we saw happen to the away team. Soon you could have a dozen (4 infected crew could get you there even if the hatchlings kill some of their own) or more Gorn running around and the cycle would repeat. Especially since at first the crew probably wouldn't understand how people were getting infected--it could result in "safe" areas all of a sudden being overrun by Gorn. I think they should do a graphic novel all about the fall of the USS Peregrine--perhaps told from the perspective of that little girl that survived? That could be a good but scary story to read...
It seems like the Gorn change dramatically as they mature. Kinda like various insect species on Earth--look at ladybug larvae compared to ladybug adults. The larvae are voracious predators with a very different body shape and can't fly. But the adults while still being predators are a bit different in their behavior. Another example are dragonflies when they're nymphs in the water and then fly as adults and stay out of the water. I wonder if the Gorn as adults have more of a developed culture and are more like the Hirogen from Voyager. Still aggressive hunters but with a developed culture--this would fit with the Gorn we saw in TOS. Though I also really like the idea of Gorn casts like the books explored. I wonder if another Star Trek show set after the TOS time period will explore what happened with the Gorn after that TOS episode where Kirk fought the Gorn captain... It's interesting that we go from this week's horror episode and the Gorn being described as evil to at least one Gorn running or at least working at a restaurant on a Federation space station in Lower Decks. Seems like peace was made to a point--at least the Gorn are much more than just evil predators. I would love to see episodes that explored that development.
That episode was really weird, I don't understand why they made Aliens from Gorns, they were lizards, I hope they will explain it more, but it seems really odd to me. How could that creature grow up so fast from nothing? It was still well filmed episode, but it looks like they just wanted make their own version of Alien instead of doing StarTrek. Also Hemmer.....why???? I don't want Scotty and Kirk already in season 2. This is the first episode I have some problems with. I am not saying it's bad, but it's really weird episode and I don't remember that Kirk's Gorn was spiting some accid sperm something, Gorns are just lizard like humanoids, not a parasite horror creatures. I hope they will explain their life cyclus better in future.
It didn't bother me because we only had one episode with the GORN in the original series and it was a guy in a rubber suit. This was more believable because they are some lizards( in reality that hatch from eggs. So that wasn't far fetched. I loved the homages to Aliens and Predator. Well done episode.
@@boombasett6038 I imagined La'an is an adult Newt in a good Alien sequel from a parallel universe, though she is more like Aeryn Sun from Farscape. There must be Farscape fans working on this series. It has a pivotal and somewhat similar horror episode in the third season.
Honestly I don't think This enterprise is safe as due to how it does differ from kirks my theory is she will end up nearly destroyed refitted to more tos layout then handed to kirk
What's the point of making Hemmer a likable character if the show creators choose to kill him off later in the season. We never have a chance to see his family background and personal life.
They didn't choose to kill him off later in the season.H e signed a one-year contract. It was known from the very beginning it was only a one-season gig.
This is the first episode of this show I was disappointed in. We lose Hemmer which is a big loss to this cast, the "horror" theme is also not ST - ST shows bad stuff happens and we've been plenty scared by other ST shows but this felt like a "rip off" of Alien, and what was with Sam Kirk's meltdown? The cadets are cool in a crisis but this ST officer is freaking out? I like the continued exploration of Spock's character and thought the end scenes with he and Chapel were a great expansion of their friendship. Don't know, but this one left me feeling more bummed than happy. Hope Episode 10 picks it up again.
Good evening Captain Jack, it was good BUT I still not liking the version of the Gorn here. Yes they are baby and toddlers. But the thing they have contribute to them is NOT FOR ME, babies that spay eggs, and have so much defenses and looking to much like ALIENS. I like the episode but I think the THEY DIDN'T give enough thought on creating this version IN MY OPINION
They could keep Hemmer at least for 2 seasons, most of people like him, I don't understand why they have to constantly using those old characters. Yes, we know that Scotty will join the crew, but why not later? Why now letting Pike's crew to have at least 3 seasons before they slowly turn it to Kirk show? I am slightly disapointed by this. Maybe it was scripted long time ago and they didn't expect that people will like Hemmer.
Total ALIENS ripoff (and Predator and The Thing)...down to the little girl that is basically NEWT latina clone (looks, mannerism, everything!)... :DDD (but Aliens had sense...here the actions scenes are totally NOT credible and very bad designed) Also...who didnt feel that the "never seen before" ensign and the cadet (not Uhura) that they celebrated in the beginning would have died in the next 20 minutes?! :DDDD (soooooo obvious...)
I think sometimes the germ of and idea is good (gorn). Like in a writing room pitch meeting. But sometimes the execution is awful . They need to course correct quickly and drop the gorn entirely. There is so much better stories and villains to create stories about
@@kev30631 I have the suspect that they have elected the gorn as "nemesis enemy of the series"...in the same way the borg were for TNG, Dominion in DS9, Kason in Voyager and the ppl with the green purulent skin in Enterprise... They will keep reappearing, at intervals...
Sad that Paramount’s Star Trek: Strange New World writers can’t think out side the box and have to copy “Aliens” ! Sad !! Well another Star Trek by Eugene Roddenberry that sucks !!!
They should not have killed Hemmer, one of the best characters. Too much like Alien. Anson Mount as Pike still failing to convince as a Starship Captain: plays it far too whimsical with insufficient authority. Altogether not great but still much better than Discovery and Picard.
Too much copying, not just borrowing or inspiration. Alien birth, vision and movement. And that species is meant to cooperate and build space ships? And the shop that can scan for particles millions of miles away cannot scan ship internally for [mass displaceent? This episode misses creative vision and creates by ripping off too much
I liked it but they turned gorn into Alien 3’s xenomorphs. Even quadrupedal and a nod to the chase scene through the “tunnels”. It makes up for the steaming pile that is episode 8.
This was a most egregious example of ripping off other stories. This was Alien, Aliens, Predator (Gorns have Predator Vision now), The spraying eggs thats the MaGog from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. And Hemmer the only really interesting character gets killed, guess those antennas cost too much.
Hey man, may I give you a suggestion? When you are talking about a scene, the video is small and instead your face is SUPER close!! I'd enjoy this MUCH more if you showed the entire full screen and just talked over it! I want to see the show dude, not your face!
We can’t show fully clips due to copyright and such. This is the best way. You’re also watching a review here on the channel with myself as a presenter, much like other videos with presenters :) - Jack
Yet another rip-off of several famous sci-fi flicks with little compelling original plotline material! And time to say a premature goodbye to refreshingly NEW & ORIGINAL crew member Hemmer, in order for producers to blatantly pander yet again to die-hard fans with the return of Scotty!! LAME!! I had high hopes that Pike's Enterprise would be staffed by an all-new crew > not "Young Uhura & Nurse Chapel" and TOS "Dr M'Benga" vs Dr. Philip Boyce from the original pilot!:(
Hemmer's death kinda gutted the episode for me, and not in a good way. It felt like such a GOTCHA moment and playing into old tropes about Inspiring Disabled Character Dies/Suffers For Sake Of Abled Characters Around Them. I was really hoping for more delving into his character about his own motivations, why he believes so strongly in Starfleet, how he reconciled being in it compared to the isolationist Aenar we met back in ENT... but instead he's sacrificed to give Uhura character growth. :\ Especially disappointing when you have characters shouting possible ways to keep him alive to try and fix this and it's just "no no, I gotta die now, byyyye" ignored, even when a literal huge plot point of the season was keeping someone in transporter stasis for medical reasons! Just.... UGH. :\ To not leave a totally negative comment, the cinematography and puppets were fantastic, and the makeup for Buckley was fantastic.
Lost a lot of respect for this show because of this episode, the Gorn are supposed to besuper intelligent starship building space exploring warp drive building warriors, but they are a supersized Geko that are a ripoff of the Alien franchise that try to kill each other at birth that run like a dog, but build spaceships that hunt down the Federation - WTF?!?!?!?
Hemmer's death to me is the most shocking moment of the season. I didn't see THIS coming... 😳
I was shocked with Hemmer’s death. He is was my favorite character after Pike. I wish they had kept him around longer. He was an amazing character. His death was as shocking to me as Ned Stark in GOT.
Hemmer was a favorite of mine ,wow now I’m sad 😢
Hemmer was my favorite character and the geniuses go off and kill him.
I think i hear Montgomery Scott coming......
I really liked Hemmer's character. I would have liked him to be around for awhile longer.
Is it? He’s walking around one second and the next there’s a lame funeral. We never saw him die.
Hemmers death and laan's leaving made this feel more reeel than just red shirt deaths. That said it probably has to go down that path because it comes with being a prequel.
I loved it! Very shocked to see Hemmer killed off?! But we all know where this ship crew has to end up. So hope La’han isn’t leaving too!? But kind of excited to hopefully meet a young Scotty for season 2.
I hope La'an returns. Chong is awesome. SNW has a huge Farscape influence. La'an basically is Aeryn Sun.
Why does EVERYONE keep missing the fact that Uhura's journey of initially wanting to leave but being talked into stay is a DIRECT reference to Nichelle Nicholes' journey to being talked into staying with Star Trek by Martin Luther King Jr.? In the US NAVY, having similar ships that are different is NOT an unusual thing. Spruance class and Kidd class destroyers are examples of this. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL!!
Because you should not write in reference. That is the problem with writing today. DS9 had an episode of police brutality on an African American. This episode had Uhura ripping of the tune of Close Encounters. SNW has horror, Love Boat and Freaky Friday. It is a disgrace in my opinion.
Nichele Nichols also wanted to leave Star Trek S3 as well to have a 5 year contract on Mannix. Maybe she made a mistake - even though her mistake would be our gain.
@@valueofnothing2487 not writing in references is unrealistic beyond measure. It’s done so often there’s a term for it, “Easter eggs”.
While true, she also talked about how she took great joy in recruiting for NASA.
@@Knightshade08 Interesting.i didn't know that.
But that's how you write episode. You think of good ideas like that and then you replicate them with an alien race, which you could do.
But these writers lack that kind of risk and creativity.
Nice link!
Really gonna miss Hemmer...love the character
I honestly don't think they would have killed him with out thinking of a better replacement (Scotty).
Which trust me, will completely wipe Hemmer off our minds.
Well OF COURSE they are going to slowly introduce the original characters one by one!
Which is exactly what I don't want, I like new crew and it looks like other people like them too, Hemmer was nice character. I really don't like that plot about Pike seeying his future in Discovery, it seems like that moment is more and more close, but I want more Pike, this is not Kirk Enterprise show for me. I really like SNW, but I am afraid that they will turn it to Kirk show already in season 2.
I was entertained during this episode. But WHY Hemmer. I only just found out that he is an actual blind actor after researching after the episode. So again. WHY?! GOOOORRRRNNN!
This episode is cool and good. New Spock is awesome. I love the Spock, Chapel, and T'Pring dynamic. SNW has a huge Farscape influence, and I am a Farscape fan. I hope La'an (Aeryn Sun) returns.
I am a fan of farscape also
Where is the farscape influence? Help me to see what your seeing.
@@kev30631 Some SNW episodes feel like Farscape episodes, especially episode 8 where the ship gets weird. There is a pivotal horror episode in season 3 of Farscape, the one where Crichton is doubled, which reminds me of episode 9 of SNW.
Farscape would do well set up surprises which were cool, subversion of expectations done right.
(The only time Farscape strongly disappointed me was in the episode about Moya's origin. So bad. Not sure how that happened. There are very few bad Farscape episodes, though Season 4, while cool, is kind of a mess.)
Also, La'an reminds be of Aeryn Sun. The Guardians of the Galaxy movies are a copy of Farscape. Crichton is in the second one.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388
I have dvds of farscape and enjoy the audio commentary
By the stars. Talking about the episodes. Such great stuff. Great memories 👍
@@kev30631 Farscape was amazing. I watched it religiously.
i did not see the death coming for Hemmer, i was a bit surprised as i loved the character. But the actor did disappear for a couple of episodes which I thought was strange... definitely felt the Gorn were based on Alien and Predator and it will be interested to see where it goes from here.
I imagined La'an is an adult Newt and the episode is an Alien sequel better than the terrible Alien movies Fox made after Aliens.
Though she is more like Aeryn Sun from Farscape. There is a huge Farscape influence in SNW. It has a pivotal and vaguely similar horror episode in the third season. I hope La'an returns. Chong is awesome.
*Pear-Ree-grin* a Peregrine is a bird of prey, a Peregrine Falcon.
The Magog are back.....since Andromeda finished they've been looking for a new gig, they just found on on ST:Gorn!
Lol. Also, SNW has a Farscape vibe. I love Farscape.
I think they killed off Hemmer with grace and nobility as they killed off Spock 40 years ago. Sacrifice and courage in facing painful death.
That upset uberfans then too, but Nimoy wanted to move on...then changed his mind after he actually enjoyed filming TWoK. This actor obviously didn't intend to stay past S1 and only had about 40 minutes of screen time in 540minutes of SNW to date.
A group of fans in 82, threatened Nimoys family and the producers when GR leaked the surprise ending, because he was mad at being shut out by Paramount after his erratic actions producing TMP. That really happened...fans threatened the real Leonard Nimoy and his family.
Get a grip...it is just a character, and actors have plans IRL.
This character end was done expertly. Great writing.
The episode felt like a Star Trek remake of Alien. Especially Gorn infecting others to lay eggs inside them and making babies being able to do that. They were like baby xenomorphs.. don’t know felt like a strange rip off. Would have liked something more original and creative.
With crew members already leaving - the show will probably not have many seasons as it seems.
They film these shows back to back. There are only 10 episodes. They can easily make as many seasons as they want.
It's on a streaming service that they own. It's not being cancelled or renewed by a traditional prodcast TV network.
They can easily restore continuity with TOS, by establishing that mercurial quickness and egg-laying capability are attributes not shared by the male of the Gorn species. Males embody enormous stature, strength, and toughness while being almost glacial in their movements. Female Gorn aren't given command because they're too preoccupied with matters pertaining to reproduction. They are tactical thinkers rather than strategic.
Any STO players here with Gorn captains or Bridge officers are gonna be like" Holy sht! didn't expect the Gorn reproduction process to be like this" This really shine a light on literally how vicious the Gorn are starting from birth. We got a whole Xenomorph inspire plot on them lol
Love SNW, but this episode just shot up to one of my top 10, maybe top 5 episode among my top TNG/DS9 episodes. The alien homage in Star Trek was awesome! Even with alien vision from alien 3
🙂 Hello there! 🙂 I have binged watched S1 of Star Trek: SNW after I brought it. 👍 I really loved it.
The Children of the Gorn, Captain Jack.
I would have really liked if the second starship would have been something akin to a SNW era Miranda class. Different from the outside, but quite similar to the Connie on the inside. The way they did it, I wondered why they didn‘t just declare it another Constitution Class, as it looks 100% similar inside and out. The only spotable difference is that everything that is painted red on Enterprise is painted blue on the Perregrine instead. Seems a bit like they cheaped out of having to create another CGI model for the guest ship, at the last minute…
I think this episode was a good homage to both "Alien", and "Predator."
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
The only thing this episode was missing was for the little girl they found to say "They mostly come at night... mostly"
One thing that I was unsure about was how the Gorn managed to defeat a whole ship with 90ish crew members. At first, it didn't make sense to me but then I thought about how easy it is for them to infect other species with their eggs. I could imagine it almost being a combination of zombies and aliens. It might start out with just a few (3-4) baby Gorn that kill a couple crew members, go and hide and start ambushing the crew--killing some but infecting others. Like we saw happen to the away team. Soon you could have a dozen (4 infected crew could get you there even if the hatchlings kill some of their own) or more Gorn running around and the cycle would repeat. Especially since at first the crew probably wouldn't understand how people were getting infected--it could result in "safe" areas all of a sudden being overrun by Gorn. I think they should do a graphic novel all about the fall of the USS Peregrine--perhaps told from the perspective of that little girl that survived? That could be a good but scary story to read...
But babies laying eggs?
You really want to see that in star trek? Really?
Can't we just go rent a copy of the alien franchise and do that. Respectfully.
It seems like the Gorn change dramatically as they mature. Kinda like various insect species on Earth--look at ladybug larvae compared to ladybug adults. The larvae are voracious predators with a very different body shape and can't fly. But the adults while still being predators are a bit different in their behavior. Another example are dragonflies when they're nymphs in the water and then fly as adults and stay out of the water. I wonder if the Gorn as adults have more of a developed culture and are more like the Hirogen from Voyager. Still aggressive hunters but with a developed culture--this would fit with the Gorn we saw in TOS. Though I also really like the idea of Gorn casts like the books explored. I wonder if another Star Trek show set after the TOS time period will explore what happened with the Gorn after that TOS episode where Kirk fought the Gorn captain... It's interesting that we go from this week's horror episode and the Gorn being described as evil to at least one Gorn running or at least working at a restaurant on a Federation space station in Lower Decks. Seems like peace was made to a point--at least the Gorn are much more than just evil predators. I would love to see episodes that explored that development.
Glad you enjoy the gorn.
I just don't find them that interesting. I thought the arena episode with kirk was more than enough.
That episode was really weird, I don't understand why they made Aliens from Gorns, they were lizards, I hope they will explain it more, but it seems really odd to me. How could that creature grow up so fast from nothing? It was still well filmed episode, but it looks like they just wanted make their own version of Alien instead of doing StarTrek. Also Hemmer.....why???? I don't want Scotty and Kirk already in season 2.
This is the first episode I have some problems with. I am not saying it's bad, but it's really weird episode and I don't remember that Kirk's Gorn was spiting some accid sperm something, Gorns are just lizard like humanoids, not a parasite horror creatures. I hope they will explain their life cyclus better in future.
It didn't bother me because we only had one episode with the GORN in the original series and it was a guy in a rubber suit. This was more believable because they are some lizards( in reality that hatch from eggs. So that wasn't far fetched. I loved the homages to Aliens and Predator. Well done episode.
Gorn phsycal grow deppend by it host. With other species take week, with human only take days.
@@setionoify I remember it from that episode, but it's still weird
@@boombasett6038 but guy with halloween lizard costume is canon :-)
@@boombasett6038 I imagined La'an is an adult Newt in a good Alien sequel from a parallel universe, though she is more like Aeryn Sun from Farscape. There must be Farscape fans working on this series. It has a pivotal and somewhat similar horror episode in the third season.
Honestly I don't think This enterprise is safe as due to how it does differ from kirks my theory is she will end up nearly destroyed refitted to more tos layout then handed to kirk
They mostly come at night... mostly
It was so so so good!
Right from the scene of the crashed ship this episode looked and felt like a homage to Alien! Or is it just me?
And the infrared vision similar to "Predator."
What's the point of making Hemmer a likable character if the show creators choose to kill him off later in the season. We never have a chance to see his family background and personal life.
They didn't choose to kill him off later in the season.H e signed a one-year contract. It was known from the very beginning it was only a one-season gig.
There going to write books on hemmer in past
I think the gorn we saw in tos is an old gorn. The ent one is a young adult(?) gorn.
I still got the hots for La'An and Chapel.
This is the first episode of this show I was disappointed in. We lose Hemmer which is a big loss to this cast, the "horror" theme is also not ST - ST shows bad stuff happens and we've been plenty scared by other ST shows but this felt like a "rip off" of Alien, and what was with Sam Kirk's meltdown? The cadets are cool in a crisis but this ST officer is freaking out? I like the continued exploration of Spock's character and thought the end scenes with he and Chapel were a great expansion of their friendship. Don't know, but this one left me feeling more bummed than happy. Hope Episode 10 picks it up again.
Good evening Captain Jack, it was good BUT I still not liking the version of the Gorn here. Yes they are baby and toddlers. But the thing they have contribute to them is NOT FOR ME, babies that spay eggs, and have so much defenses and looking to much like ALIENS. I like the episode but I think the THEY DIDN'T give enough thought on creating this version IN MY OPINION
What did Kirk say to Spock in Star Trek (2000) to get Spock emotionally compromised? Was the same thing said in this episode by his brother?
Something along the line of like watching your planet get destroyed etc ?
Hmmm. This was a cool scene in SNW.
The Gorn issue could be fixed
A pretty "meh" episode, but at least more enjoyable than this week's Orville.
I hate they created an awesome character just to kill off! What are we going to get lieutenant Montgomery Scott? RIP
Mission was successful but at a huge loss.
still better than under Kirk, he always lost at least 5 red shirts in each episode :-D
Not "pipeline", but PIKEline... 😆
I loved last week's episode. I hope your not hatting on that beautiful black episode.🤨
We never “hate” on things here :) Instead we analysis and critique on bits we do and don’t like, as reviews do :)
- Jack
@@TrekCentral As long as there's no hate than we're all good.🤨
1. This episode was Trek meets Aliens 3.
2. Hemmer 😐😐😥😥😭😭😭
Star Trek really should solve their "Gorn Problem"; not be dismissive like Pike-"The next time we'll be ready" tripe comment.
I think they will introduce Scotty
They could keep Hemmer at least for 2 seasons, most of people like him, I don't understand why they have to constantly using those old characters. Yes, we know that Scotty will join the crew, but why not later? Why now letting Pike's crew to have at least 3 seasons before they slowly turn it to Kirk show? I am slightly disapointed by this. Maybe it was scripted long time ago and they didn't expect that people will like Hemmer.
Not just yet.
It might be a little bit soon to introduce his character. But then I felt the same way about Uhura and Chapel.
As long as he still drinks 🍺
Total ALIENS ripoff (and Predator and The Thing)...down to the little girl that is basically NEWT latina clone (looks, mannerism, everything!)... :DDD
(but Aliens had sense...here the actions scenes are totally NOT credible and very bad designed)
Also...who didnt feel that the "never seen before" ensign and the cadet (not Uhura) that they celebrated in the beginning would have died in the next 20 minutes?! :DDDD
(soooooo obvious...)
I think sometimes the germ of and idea is good (gorn). Like in a writing room pitch meeting. But sometimes the execution is awful .
They need to course correct quickly and drop the gorn entirely. There is so much better stories and villains to create stories about
@@kev30631 I have the suspect that they have elected the gorn as "nemesis enemy of the series"...in the same way the borg were for TNG, Dominion in DS9, Kason in Voyager and the ppl with the green purulent skin in Enterprise...
They will keep reappearing, at intervals...
Sad that Paramount’s Star Trek: Strange New World writers can’t think out side the box and have to copy “Aliens” ! Sad !! Well another Star Trek by Eugene Roddenberry that sucks !!!
They should not have killed Hemmer, one of the best characters. Too much like Alien. Anson Mount as Pike still failing to convince as a Starship Captain: plays it far too whimsical with insufficient authority. Altogether not great but still much better than Discovery and Picard.
I liked the story but its was more aliens. We got a Newt and kirk acting like pvt Hudson.
Too much copying, not just borrowing or inspiration. Alien birth, vision and movement. And that species is meant to cooperate and build space ships? And the shop that can scan for particles millions of miles away cannot scan ship internally for [mass displaceent?
This episode misses creative vision and creates by ripping off too much
I liked it but they turned gorn into Alien 3’s xenomorphs. Even quadrupedal and a nod to the chase scene through the “tunnels”. It makes up for the steaming pile that is episode 8.
This was a most egregious example of ripping off other stories. This was Alien, Aliens, Predator (Gorns have Predator Vision now), The spraying eggs thats the MaGog from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.
And Hemmer the only really interesting character gets killed, guess those antennas cost too much.
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Hey man, may I give you a suggestion? When you are talking about a scene, the video is small and instead your face is SUPER close!! I'd enjoy this MUCH more if you showed the entire full screen and just talked over it! I want to see the show dude, not your face!
We can’t show fully clips due to copyright and such. This is the best way. You’re also watching a review here on the channel with myself as a presenter, much like other videos with presenters :)
- Jack
Yet another rip-off of several famous sci-fi flicks with little compelling original plotline material! And time to say a premature goodbye to refreshingly NEW & ORIGINAL crew member Hemmer, in order for producers to blatantly pander yet again to die-hard fans with the return of Scotty!! LAME!! I had high hopes that Pike's Enterprise would be staffed by an all-new crew > not "Young Uhura & Nurse Chapel" and TOS "Dr M'Benga" vs Dr. Philip Boyce from the original pilot!:(
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Hemmer's death kinda gutted the episode for me, and not in a good way. It felt like such a GOTCHA moment and playing into old tropes about Inspiring Disabled Character Dies/Suffers For Sake Of Abled Characters Around Them. I was really hoping for more delving into his character about his own motivations, why he believes so strongly in Starfleet, how he reconciled being in it compared to the isolationist Aenar we met back in ENT... but instead he's sacrificed to give Uhura character growth. :\ Especially disappointing when you have characters shouting possible ways to keep him alive to try and fix this and it's just "no no, I gotta die now, byyyye" ignored, even when a literal huge plot point of the season was keeping someone in transporter stasis for medical reasons! Just.... UGH. :\
To not leave a totally negative comment, the cinematography and puppets were fantastic, and the makeup for Buckley was fantastic.
Lost a lot of respect for this show because of this episode, the Gorn are supposed to besuper intelligent starship building space exploring warp drive building warriors, but they are a supersized Geko that are a ripoff of the Alien franchise that try to kill each other at birth that run like a dog, but build spaceships that hunt down the Federation - WTF?!?!?!?
I think hopefully they are going to realize that the gorn was a bad idea. And we are going to see them quietly disappear like the doctors daughter.
No dishwashing machines in the future? Oh well, at least beta pike and spock get to wear a cute apron on Girl Trek.
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@@thechristiandash non sequitur award granted.
@@billcarson482 That just shows lack of intelligence on your part if something so basic went over your head. 😂😂
@@thechristiandash glad it is basic, then simply explain your non sequitur without the ad hominem.
Still too many men on the show. Blech!!!!
Worst Girl Trek yet.
You mean a series, which is led by a male lead…
- Jack
@@TrekCentral Hope Pike gets some male lead screen time before he burns to a crisp. Oh well, at least he looks good in his poofy hair and an apron.
Aliens rip off. Newt makes appearance. Cry baby Kirk.
Killed off the best character, now even less reason to watch. Dumb.