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the Chameleon had the combined strength of every past villian yet ironically felt weaker than all of them
i am impressed how they manage to do that
Somebody mentioned that she literally was taken down in two hits, and the only other times she has any sort of physical confrontations it's throwing people down stairs/off walls. That might've done it.
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She kind of was, I mean even though she was hyped to be the strongest, she didn't even fight any of the masters fairly. She SNUCK tai lung, kai and all the others. Like it would've been really cool if she fought one of them one on one and won but no!
jack of all trades master of none moment
"The most evil thing the Chameleon does is kick someone down the stairs." BRUH Shifu literally kicks Po down the endless stairs of the Jade Palace in the first movie 💀
And now he's on Pure Good wiki. Not heinous enough, is it?
@@ollie_raviollie
And I guess the Chameleon is on the pure evil wiki???
@@jonahboris6681 From what I've seen from the comments, her worst action on-screen was pushing someone downstairs. If that's the case, nope, not a chance.
@@ollie_raviollie In the first two acts at least. Obviously she gets up to more evil shit in the third act, but for most of the movie she just has no presence.
It’s like if you didn’t have those scenes of Kai taking out the Furious Five, and he just went straight to the panda village in the third act. So dull.
I'd say the Chameleon is a Villainous Benchmark, I guess. She absolutely fails the standards to the previous three villains too much despite having no redeeming qualities. But, we'll see.
No Furious Five.
No Shifu.
No backstory for the villains.
No new plot or character development.
They make the movie so short because they think children will not be able to watch it? Seriously? Children managed to watch the first 3!
the children is us actually....GEN X and GEN Z
@@afiqkhairul1446 the film didn't have skibidi toilet, subway surfers and some random family guy clip simultaneously playing in the background so it failed miserably anyway.
And no Oogway!! I LOVE Master Oogway 🥰
And who said only children will watch it .i am 100% sure that most of the audience are gonna be gen z or older
What do you mean? All 3 movies were barely even 1 hour and 40 min long if you watch them separately!
If I were to describe the movie in one sentence it would be "The longest Kung Fu Panda Short"
Imma plagiarize that thank you
I don't really understand that, can you explain?
@@MindlessMagicNo
@MindlessMagic it means it feels less like a movie and more like a dvd special or an episode of one of the Kung Fu Panda spinoff TV shows
@@camoking3609 Oh I was thinking he was talking about the UA-cam or TikTok Short. Yeah it feels like something I would watch on the Legends of Awesomeness show.
Shen: Commits Genocide.
The Chameleon: Pushes someone down the stairs.
Bowser in the Mainline Mario games vs. the Spinoff Mario games
Or the original Grinch vs. the Illumination Grinch
Matt Damon: Closes the farm down
Shen commits genocide in the first two minutes of the film and Chameleon doesn’t even show up until way later, and doesn’t do anything threatening until the end 😭
kai: wipes out oogway tai lung shifu all of furious 5 other then tigress master croc chicken and bear and nearly wiped out po and has a thrist of revenge of oogways changes from a military conqurer to a wise old kung fu master in kfp4 he does nothing he and shen do nothing atleast tai lung accepted that he wouldnt be dragon warrior
Edit:Holy Hell My Replys Are Getting Some Attention Also Kai Is A Top 10 Dreamsworks Villian. And Btw my list is tai lung at 3 or 4 and shen is 1 Also Kung Fu Panda 4 Is Basically Toy Story 4 But Its Like 3x worse
This movie hyping up returning villains only for them to do nothing is a real Sonic Forces move
Yeah, that's what I'm getting here
Wrong.
Metal Sonic and Zavok have boss battles, and there's also Episode Shadow (though you're right about Chaos regretfully).
Kai and Shen do absolutely nothing and Tai Lung doesn't even confront Po.
They gave tai lung a good fight scene so I think they are good on that front
@@EggFighterXB-They were severely underused and felt like an after thought, it sounds weird to say but even though they WERE used, they werent used in an interesting way that really justified bringing all of them back aside from trying to hype up a game.
@@theoverseer393He beat up fodder idk if i'd say we're good
Since he dissapears then comes back to take out the trash which was funny tho😂
Despite shen’s genocide, I must say, the chameleon is by far the most evil KFP villain as she imposes taxes on juniper city
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He tried to make me pay taxes…..
Understandable,
@@swyjix This is why I'm loyal to Mr. House, atleast his capitalism tells you how much you owe instead of making you calculate it.
@@Somirage143NEW VEGAS!!
So that's why they killed her
A kungfu panda movie without furious 5
That already sound wrong
Exactly. Why does po have to make new friends and adventures when we can get more in depth movie with his Freinds we already know. The Furious 5 keep a stable back on the plot of each movie while having them doing funny things.
@@TheSigmaCentral101i guess they might’ve thought that central idea was old and the 4th movie was a perfect time to add a new character. I guess it also make sense that since Po is picking a new dragon warrior, just like Oogway, he didn’t pick someone from the lineup and instead found somebody else more worthy. However, that only lines up with the plotholes of the movie like why does Po NEED to pick a new dragon warrior when he’s still so young.
They are there. As life-sized cardboard cutouts!
@@cockatoo010 you make me spit my water
And proceeds to make a nobody a dragon warrior with zero accomplishments or been taught any of Oogway or Sifu's ways that Po has experienced.
Tai Lung: Tests Po’s physical prowess
Shen: Test’s Po’s mental prowess
Kai:Tests Po’s spiritual prowess
Chameleon: Tests the audience’s patience
4th breaking wall moment
Who agrees that this should've stayed a trilogy
Edit: 1 and 2 are God tier, 3 is alright and 4 is totally a movie
Also Edit:wow thanks for 400 likes I really appreciate it thank you
@@jessemach5817 should have stopped at two
Awkwafina's character tested my patience 😅
@@Decapitationtrainthe third was way better than this
" i couldnt learn or be taught kungfu, cuz alot of masters said i was too smol"
viper and mantis:.....
trueee
Master Chicken: BUCKAW!?
Shifu whos literally also a master:....
Never understood that scene, i was scratching my head in confusion from beginning to end because nothing she said made sense like bro MANTIS, SNAKE AND SHIFU are martial artist and the bests and now the new fox girl wtf you mean nobody teached you because you're weak and small?! Are the writers even aware of their own characters now that they added in the SAME movie chameleon was in?!
no because tell me why they introduce an artifact at the beginning of the movie which was wielded by a master chipmunk... they literally invented a new small kung fu master for this film and then decided to be like 'nah, Chameleon couldn't learn because tiny'
kfp4 feels like a watered down version of kfp2:
- we gotta go to juniper city vs gongmen city
- similar chase sequence escaping the villain’s henchmen
- villain is a traditionally weaker animal whose power arises from a replacement for kung fu (chameleon = sorcery, shen = technology)
GOOD OBSERVATION
chameleon = Stealing powers from Villains, Kai = Stealing Chi from evry Spiritual Master and every Master in China
There's even a hug scene from Zen to Po that echoes Tigress', with way less takes
And also, both villains have the same large-scale, kinda-harebrained, army (the lizards and the wolfs)
Poo fighting that sea creature at the beginning was more intense than his fight against chameleon. That's how bad the movie was
GENUINELY
The most honest review 😂😂
That straight up isn't true lol
Poo
I dont get the hate. I still enjoyed the movie.
But WHY does he need to stop being the dragon warrior. Hes still young. Hes actually INCREDIBLY young for a kung fu master. Shifu has mentioned throughout the movies how FAST he is learning techniques, what takes other masters DECADES to learn and master he does in a few weeks/months
Come to think of it, how old is por anyway?, how Many years passed since the first movie?.
Am i wrong or its been said that dragon warrior is chosen once every thousand years in the first movie. Is It a plot hole then?
@@thepresidentjulius3820 he is at least 20
@@NervousOne466 no,in reality it is mostly true,ooway have lived like for hundreds of years
Yeah fr i can't get past that part. Specially with apparently 2 more movies set to be in the series??? Why not wait until the end at the least? Or make it a fleet sort of thing? I almost thought they were gonna do something interesting when she said "that magic would take the strength of TEN dragon warriors to break!" like imagine instead of just following tradition for traditions sake, a thing these movies tend to very much go against, they make a point about like 'there's a little dragon warrior in all of us, because it's your heart that makes you powerful/special/etc"
“Po’s greatest enemy” my ASS. Logically, it would be Shen since he has a major role in Po’s past. The Chameleon was half baked before she even came out of the oven
and tai lung is literally a wicked version of po duh, something like yin yang
technically most things are half baked before they come out of the oven…
Shen did not even get a damn word to say bruh.
@@ruchampsajaksra6172 Tai Lung is the dreamworks equivalent of Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader
all they had to do was have a chi resistant elephant army that uses technology attack the valley of peace. furious 5 distract leader and army, Po fights the leader. elephant army came across the sea, opening up more lore for other civilizations. po picks tiger as new dragon warrior
Tai Lungs backstory: I was meant to be the dragon warried but was denied the scroll
Shens backstory: I used fireworks to make weapons which scared my parents into calling a fortune teller, the teller told me I'd be defeated so I genocided the pandas to stop it from happening
Kais backstory: I wanted to harness all of chi to become stronger so my best friend stopped me which only drove my motivation to steal all the past warriors chi's
Chameleons backstory: They called me short :(
LMAOOOO
Tai Lung’s introduction: *Seen being the sole prisoner of a place in the middle of the mountains while also escaping said prison.*
Shen’s introduction: *Shows us the progress of his conquest of his city by having him make weapons with his army and killing one kung fu master and imprisoning the other two.*
Kai’s introduction: *Fights Master Oogway and wins while implying to us that he’s beaten all previous masters in the afterlife including the other two mentioned.*
Chameleon’s introduction: “I raised taxes and kicked someone down some stairs. FEAR ME!”
@@marcusgabriel8365 Chameleon's conflict of not being a kung fu master because she was short is ridiculous cuz of viper and mantis. Also the fact her horrific act is pushing someone down the stairs feels like the director had no clue as to how to write her character.
the chameleon: i was rejected from every kung fu school bc of my size
the writer forgets mantis and viper exist.
She's not even that small compared to mantis, about the size of shifu I'd say
Maybe it's a regional thing. The Dragon Warrior isn't well known in the city, so the Furious Five might not be either. Those kung fu schools would likely have a different attitude toward small students if they knew more about Viper and Mantis.
or.. it's just bad writing.
"The Furious Five (also known as the Five) is a quintet of skilled kung fu warriors famed throughout all of China"
It *could* make sense if it was already established in a previous movie about the struggles that they and shifu went through to learn kung fu, but this was just so out of left field it made 0 sense 😂
Its like the writer just choose to ignore the established kung fu panda lore. Did they forgot to double check the script or something?
I feel like the Chameleon’s powers perfectly represent the quality of this movie: it can imitate the appearance, but can’t replicate the technique
Damn,
Spitting fr
bars gahdamn
bro has a way with words
Straight fax
Jack Black singing "Baby One More Time" at the end credits was undoubtedly the best part of this movie. It was the only moment that brought a smile to my face.
IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS
🔥🔥 .!
Personally, I didn't like it. It's not because of Jack Black, it's just the choice of the song. A Britney Spears' cover? Really? Just because it has the word "hit" in it doesn't mean it makes sense for Kung Fu Panda.
The cover overall is disconnected to the image KFP end-credits. @@sandyr5407
I wonder what Britney would think of it.
Same my friends and I were rocking out to that song. Was the most joy we got out of the whole film ngl.
Dreamworks works like a dream. Most times you have shitty dreams that absolutely make no sense, then there's that one dream with the most well-written storylines, good plot, and it makes so much sense and has deep meaning. Gotta love dreamworks.
Nah its reversed, DreamWorks has really good movies in past same as puss in boots but.....nah this year they made one of the worst movies ever
They really want us to believe that the chameleon is the most dangerous villain, her most evil action is pushing people through the stairs, meanwhile shen committed a whole genocide towards pandas 😂
Man, the previous antagonist (Kai) gets returned from dead and have ability to steal master's souls and then use them as he's henchmans, what they are trying to talking about?
Fr, if they really wanted her to be the most dangerous villain then they could have done a better job.
They could’ve made the movie so much more emotional or tense if they made Chameleon raid the Valley of Peace and injure civilians which would’ve directly hurt Po just as much as Shen because Po knew the people from the Valley while he barely knew his mother (I am not trying to downplay Po’s mother, her death is still the most sad death in the trilogy). However instead, they made her an all powerful being that just immediately loses, nothing else.
It's almost as another form of media has had a MC who has done the same action as the chameleon but was far executed in a more brilliant way.
@@matthewquach2705 Which one?
The Co-Director of the movie, Stephanie Mastine, had some amazing ideas. She said she wanted to make the movie truer to the first 2, and Jack Black himself said she brought actual depth and heart. Po would've had a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the Chameleon, prompting Po to go on a quest to stop her. Despite his best efforts, she would've succeeded. This would've raised the stakes, displayed the Chameleon as a real threat, and allowed Shifu to be there at the end to say goodbye to Tai Lung. Stephanie also wanted Zhen's redemption to be more fleshed out, ensured it to have both dialogue and action, and for it to actually happen onscreen, much to the chagrin of the writers who just wanted her to swoop in out of nowhere to fight the Chameleon before quickly disappearing again.
Meanwhile, the director of the movie, Mike Mitchell, wanted the movie to be more laughs and joke-y. He wanted Chameleon and Zhen to have ZERO backstory whatsoever, and by the time the crew convinced him that, you know, giving the main villain a backstory is kind of important, they were too late to do anything more than add in those few lines. Many crewmembers came up with ideas for Zhen's backstory, but they were all discarded. The film was made so short because they believed children couldn't watch a longer film, and also because they'd get more money.
Guess which of these two guys they decided to give full creative freedom.
I never really liked Mike Mitchell. This guy managed to destroy not one but two animated movie franchises. This and Lego Movie
If a fifth film does happen (and let’s be honest it probably will), DreamWorks would be wise to make her the sole director.
Wow, f*** that guy. Never have him in charged of an animated production again.
Just found out about her role and really wish she had been in charge of the whole film. There was a lot about this film that could've worked and I realize that this movie had so much potential
That is really really stupid. The fact that this guy thought making a joke movie is going to be great, tells you everything you need to know. Obviously you would be very serious when making a movie for a franchise like this. Can't believe this idiot ruined the movie.
Seriously this movie had so much potential. The second director here had a great idea, fans too duh! It's really sad that a trash director ruined a movie that could've been legendary
I feel like they did Lord Shen dirty, he felt out of character and didn’t do anything
Yeah pretty outta character for him to not say shit 😂
They did Tai Lung dirty as well. Bringing him back only to not have one single scene with his father.
Worst of all. Po’s Dad was in the same room as Shen. When we know damn well this man was on the verge of tears the last movie when he remembers how Shen took everything from him.
Shen was done dirty. Shen would never bow to Po even if he saved his life
@@joeman99983 Yea its likes they included him and gave him some dialogue so people don't complain.
The whole 30 second scene of the “who you choose to be” in kung fu panda 2 where they show Po’s progress is a million times more emotional and impactful than the whole of part 4 😢
Chameleon felt very villain-of-the-week, and Po kept calling it out too! Predicted Chameleon was in the doom fortress overlooking the city, recited Chameleon's plan to her face, etc.
Even felt like Po was going easy on her so Zhen would step up.
Dreamworks is the most unpredictable company out there. Like you know what Disney or Illumination movies are gonna be like but Dreamworks on Monday will make Puss and Boots The last Wish and on Tuesday they make Megamind and the doom syndicate.
Sony Pictures Animation, going from the Emoji Movie to Spider-Verse in one year: *hold my beer*
I mostly blame peacock
I don’t think Dreamworks the studio was involved in the creation of the Doom syndicate other than the dealing with IP kind of stuff and all. Granted, I’ve not yet looked into it, but I’m pretty damn sure the movie division would have no part in creation of a tie in film for a Peacock animated series. I can’t find myself getting annoyed at the existence of the “film” because of this (keep in mind, I haven’t seen it) as the only thing I can reasonably hate it for is having the capacity to diminish the quality of the IP and souring an otherwise brilliant film. Actually, scratch that, the real thing I can find myself getting angry at is how they sHOULD HAVE MADE A REAL SEQUEL and actually cater to the audience that loves Megamind already! Well, so long as they invested in talented artists. I’m sure they would have gotten a pretty good return if they actually remembered what marketing is.
@@kakao-katze Joel Crawford directing Megamind 2 would’ve been totally awesome
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Lord Shen being right there, not even animated properly, and not saying a single word was probably the most disappointed I've ever been watching a movie.
Apparently, he, Kai, and even the Furious Five were very last minutes to the film that the animators barely had time to animate them correctly. Also might explain why none of them spoke.
@@maxpowers6738 Dreamsworks probably realized that they had to put more work into the movie after Puss in Boots was a huge success, because they didn't expect their movies to succeed that much.
A good change of hearts but it didn't work out for them unfortunately and they probably prioritize the Shrek saga and other movies more than Kung Fu Panda which is literally my most favorite with Shrek and how to tame your drago(Megamind also as stabdalone().
@@maxpowers6738 At that point, I would have preferred the filmmakers just left all those characters out. They didn't show any of them in the trailers, so they technically could get away with it.
@maxpowers6738 they could have saved time tho by not even animating Kai tho... since you know... his soul gets fucking obliterated at the end of the 3rd movie. Like not even just a physical death like Lord Shen but like his spirit gets overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the Dragon Warrior chi to the point where his soul explodes into spiritual fucking oblivion
@@maxpowers6738This, but the budget was intentionally much lower in comparison to the other KP films, likely owing to [one of] the reasons the budget was lower by such a margin.
I read someone else’s comment that instead of her reason for turning to villainy, they should have made her have just really fragile bones like a real chameleon and therefore NEED to turn to magic. I also think they should have made her a villain that tests Po’s intelligence and strategic ability by making her politically and mentally really strong, something we have seen Viola Davis do in Amanda Waller. Also, I think she should have somehow stole Po’s staff, using Awkwafina’s character, because of how powerful it is, and mixed with her magic she could have resurrected the past villains and have them under her control with the promise of taking revenge on Po (but they wouldn’t be as powerful since she isn’t stupid and wouldn’t resurrect them at their most powerful so that any of them could beat her). Now, with the staff and the other previous villains under her control, she could convince the country that they don’t need the dragon warrior, or something to that effect. Awkwafina’s character would feel bad and turn over and help Po in trying to get the staff back. Then, in order to test his new sage knowledge, Po would have to convince each past villain to fight alongside him and even have moments of hearts to heart with them (especially Tai Lung), maybe even have a small training montage as they try to get back the power that the Chameleon took from them, then they all use their strengths in order to take down the Chameleon with the staff, this would end the story with Po seeing the past villains off as they return to the spirit world, put in a touching moment between Shifu and Tai Lung and I think that would have been interesting. Of course, this also isn’t perfect as I just made it up in like 5-10mins but tweaked and more fleshed out that would have been much better than what we got I think. We get to see the past villains, touching moments with Tai Lung, the Chameleon gets to become apart of the roster as a good villain who can stand with the rest, Po learns how to be more sage-like, and maybe awkwafina will be less annoying
Wow just realized how long this comment was lmao sorry y’all
@InevitableOption-ic2vx Agreed, these types of comments are pretty underrated imo, because of how bad our generation is, our attention spans been fucked, this comment really is one of the interesting ones I've seen.
I think they should maybe do a time skip where Po is older and maybe more experienced... And so he can actually give advice. As explanation they should add like a intro of what Po experienced in the time skip.
Yeah, like with Oogway's adventures with his buddy Kai in KFP3! And Po could've mastered some of the mind-blowing kung fu that Oogway possessed, like when Oogway stopped Tai Lung leaping for the Dragon Scroll, or when he fought General Kai in the Spirit Realm. There was so much potential in this franchise for another outstanding chapter in the story, but they blew it. Massive disappointment.
Tai Lung: ravages a town in pursuit of a sense of purpose.
Lord Shen: Commits genocide in pursuit of power.
Kai: attempts to become a god because of revenge.
Chameleon: pushes a guy down the stairs because reasons.
Girlboss moment *slaaaaaay 💅💫*
She kicked him down the stairs as an elephant because he was just badmouthing her. 😂
C L O T H E S
It’s especially hilarious cuz my favorite video game’s main, terrifying conflict is driven by someone pushing someone down the stairs
You have to love how she doesn’t even have an actually unique name like the first three.
Imagine if Shen was just Albino Peacock, and that was what everyone called the genocidal maniac that served as the main villain for 2.
Kung Fu Panda:Body.
Kung Fu Panda 2:Mind.
Kung Fu Panda 3:Spirit.
Kung Fu Panda 4:Scuttlebutt.
Intellect? I think?
@@BBPapercraftII Well,Probably.🤔
Kung Fu Panda 4:Fox
KFP 4: Smoke a packa day keeps the fans away
Kung Fu Panda 4: ...well, we gotta get more money for our actual good movies somehow-
kung fu panda can no longer be called a perfect trilogy because of this movie existing and im fucking pissed
Just pretend that this movie doesn't exist.
Thanks for saying it! I'm f*****g p****d too!! What a crashing disappointment.
The third one was ass too, it was never a perfect trilogy. Should've stopped at 2
@@whiskeywolfgang"not amazing" and "it was ass" are 2 different things. Almost everyone will agree that the 3rd one was the weakest but still a good movie and a necessary closure.
@@whiskeywolfgang The third one was good though
This film fails in so many ways, but Aquafina is getting the Chris Pratt paradox, where the more successful an actor you are and the more gigs you get, the worse of an actor you are in being able to convince the audience of your voice belonging to a character
The fact that Tai Lung doesn't have a single scene with Shifu, especially getting a redemption, is absolutely ridiculous.
Fr, they made Tai Lung so sympathetic in the first movie that he nearly forgave Shifu and (even though logically he would’ve been sent to prison again) he could’ve rejoined Shifu and the Furious Five
If you’re gonna bring Tai Lung back at least give us some kind of closure
mfw you waste one of Dreamwork's best antagonists.
I love Shen's monstrosity, but Tai Lung has that "complex relationship with his mentor/father-figure" archetype I find very fascinating.
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he was very out-of-character. his dialogue with Po was... bad. it did not at all feel like something Tai Lung would say, no matter how much his time in the spirit realm might've mellowed him out. we're probably lucky that Shen and Kai had no lines.
I feel like the villains should have been introduced from the beginning or in the first few minutes, so they had screen time and it didn't feel so rushed or cheap.
The thing that frustrates me the most is that Shen, Kai, and the Furious Five all have _no lines in the entire movie._ I’m betting it’s because they didn’t want to spend the money to cast the celebrities to voice act a few lines, but come on!
The film had a budget of 85 Million compared to the 150+M of the first three
I think Kai had one line but yeah.
Angelina Jolie, Seth Rogan and Jackie Chan were probably too much that they didn't wanna pay for.
Edit: sorry, I must have gotten the Actors mixed up.
@@leithaziz2716Scarlet?i guess its Angelina jolie
@@leithaziz2716Angelina Jolie and Lucy Liu instead of Scarlett Johansson, plus David Cross, but yeah, this. It’s weird given Dreamworks early legacy was all about having star power in their VAs. Not saying the VAs nowadays are slouches but really says a lot in how the times are changing.
My wife and I went to see this and thought this movie actually had great potential. She had a fantastic idea that only seemed better after discussing it at length. Make Tai Lung the main supporting character.
If they were going to bring Tai Lung back, this movie should've been a Po and Tai Lung adventure. Dying and chilling in the spirit world would've been a good catalyst for the start of his character arc. It could've led to some really fun dynamic between the two because of their personalities. Like you know Tai Lung would definitely make a quip about Po killing him.
But more interestingly, we couldve seen Shifu and Tai Lung meet again! Like seriously think about the emotional gut punch a scene like that could've been. Kung Fu Panda is very comedic, but they always have at leasg one really powerful emotional scene, which this movie honestly lacked. Tai Lung and Shifu reconnecting would've been that scene.
Also it would've been really poetic if Tai Lung was chosen to be the next dragon warrior. It'd be coming full circle and in my opinion really narratively satisfying. It'd be Po fulfilling his job as a new spiritual leader to help Tai Lung fulfill his spiritual journey and finally become qualified to be dragon warrior. Because honestly that's what Tai Lung lacked. He had all the skill to become the dragon warrior, but he didn't have the right mindset for it. He learned the secret of the dragon scroll in the first movie, and literally threw it away. Working to achieve that spiritual peace of mind and acceptance would've been a fantastic redemption arc for Tai Lung.
I know, right?
Tai lung got robbed
All of that kung fu stealing just to get two shotted by a panda 💀
It's funny how a year ago after the release of The Last Wish, everyone was already claiming that Dreamworks has usurped Disney as the king of animation. Since then, Dreamworks has given us:
Teenage Kraken
Megamind 2 on Peacock
And now Kung Fu Panda 4
Dreamworks has their fair share of masterpieces, but I think the lesson learned here is to not be too invested in a movie industry, Disney included. Because at the end of the day, Dreamworks is no different than Disney, in terms of it's a multi-billion dollar industry whose main goal is to make money.
That’s called capitalism.
Dreamworks finally had the silver bullet, the golden opportunity, to achieve its mission: Defeat Disney Animation. And instead... Kung Fu Panda 4.
@@HotCoalsThey shot themselves with the silver bullet instead
Teenage Kraken wasn't that bad tbh
Hey they also gave us Orion and the dark (albeit it’s a Netflix only movie) and the trailer for the wild robot looks really good
Every time you step on a flower, dream works ruins a beloved franchise
Get ready for that Shrek 5
they did not ruin it
KP wasn’t ruined tho. This was the weakest film but it also wasn’t a bad film. It will be ruined when the movie is straight up trash.
Except they didn't ruin anything
I’m sure this movie is fine but megamind 2 is worser
I love how succesful you are yet it still sounds like youre recording in your room with a modest setup making videos with less than 1k subs
Why was Tai Lung so chill in this movie? 😂 I love his snarky comments in-between Po fighting Chameleon. Plus him showing respect to Po at the end felt so good.
I do not feel like they make any sense
Agreed. I like the chill but still snarky TL
I just wished Shifu and Tai Lung made amends at the very least. He could've tagged along with Po and talked things out with his old student.
I feel like the chameleon should have had the staff much earlier and then all the villains could have a big role, Shifu arriving with Po and the Furious 5 to support him in the final battle or something.
That's what I wanted. A talk between the two of them would've been so satisfying.
I would’ve liked a hesitant but necessary team up between Po and Tai-lung, but that’s just speculating on a different movie that coulda happened instead of this one
Yeah, they already decided they were going to make him good here, at least give him that.
That woulda been so good 😔
I am going to give Kung Fu Panda the Toy Story treatment: one of the greatest animated trilogies with a fourth film we don’t talk about
Glad to see it’s not just me who hates Toy Story 4
Dreamworks made the same mistake as its rival, a fourth installment that stained the saga, the truth is I thought they would never continue the saga and if they did it could be from other characters like the furious 5.
Didn't Schaff actually rank Toy Story #10 in his Pixar rating-?
Eh, Toy Story 4 isn't nearly as bad ngl
Yup.
Po was the Dragon warrion for maybe a couple years before Shifu kinda forced him to give up his role. Like he just got started☠️
Remember how Kung Fu Panda 2 began with the villain committing genocide then killing someone point-blank with a cannon? Well, the Chameleon pushed a guy down some stairs. Now his arm's broken. That's just demented.
6:15 "Kung-Fu Panda on autopilot" is crushing. What made the KFP movies great is the effort Dreamworks put into them. KFP1 could've been just a formulaic underdog sports movie, but it wasn't. KFP2 could've gone the "do the first one again, but uninspired" sequel route, but it didn't. Even KFP3 pushed the envelope visually and had some S-tier Mr. Ping moments. It sucks that, after all the great movies we've gotten, KFP4 finally became what we feared KFP1 would be.
IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS
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Spit on. This is exactly what I would’ve expected a movie called “Kung Fu Panda” would be if the first 2 weren’t so good. Cheap, quirky humor, generic story, no interesting message to give.
How do you ruin a franchise this bad? how am i gonna watch kung-fu panda with respect or expect something crazy in the "next" movies?
Like i cannot believe whoever worked on this film had a single digit of respect for the previous 3 movies, i dare to watch all 4 films and tell me if they learned anything from this one
KFP until the third is very good, the third may have been average, but it still had philosophical and serious moments, few but they were still in it, it ends its story with Po defeating a great enemy and establishing himself as the dragon warrior, but this It doesn't work, it has nothing special and I fear that they will do it in a 5th and 6th installment, DW is beginning to massacre one of its most beloved sagas, unless they realize the criticism and straighten out the franchise.
>Aquafina
>no furious five
Yeah I wonder why
I wonder wonder why
I don't wanna be mean but legit Aquafina has kinda become a sign that a movie will probably not be good
She's good but you know
Funny enough I think comedy isn’t actually her strong suit. She was good in The Farewell, but I find when she does comedy movies, she just isn’t funny
@@leeminhyung167even I'm starting to get tired of her, I thought okay with Shang-Chi, but now it's outta of hand.
@@leeminhyung167 legit same
I think she was good in that an Hollywood tried to jump at the chance an started putting her in everything
Like how they saw the rock and Kevin hart were good together so they made a bunch of stuff that got old fast
@@leeminhyung167so she's like Adam Sandler?
She’s in the Bad Guys which I quite liked
4:49 when your series doesn't know what a spiritual growth arc looks like it kinda does that.
Spiritual growth is looking at the world and realizing how small and lowly you are and becoming humble because of it and realizing that by looking at aspects of life people view negatively and turning them positive you can "awaken spiritually"
feeding the hungry
protecting the weak
showing humility to those "under you"
Being a leader (the lowest ranked and highest ranked from doing inventory on people you're responsible for and letting them go ahead of you, not to scout but to experience the thing you traveled to experience)
Etc.
but po doesn't do that with the Pandas and it falls flat really fast. Being spiritually aware is basically being a role model for others which is hard to do when you baby your third movie out of a good plot
Overall, I feel like the fourth movie has all the same problems as the third one, but to a much greater extent
@@gdplayer8768 ex act lyyyyyyy
The fact Kai was so desperate to get out the spirit realm in the third film only to WILLINGLY wander back in at the end of this one makes no sense
Can confirm, it does exist
Don't translate...
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु……….
Got any proofs?
Yeah, it really does! I saw advertisements😱
Sad times,truly sad times
@@fantaguyrealthat report button looking real juicy
Worst thing in the 4th movie was that it ruined the message in the 3rd movie. In 3rd movie Shifu says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is, then in the end Po learns to become more than he is, than in 4th movie Shifu AGAIN says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is. It's like nothing was learned in 3rd movie.
For real! What was what?! A better lesson would've been accepting change and learning how to face it, whether it being good or bad. Po has to choose the new Dragon Warrior and start training them. He could be worried of choosing the wrong future Dragon Warrior, afraid of creating the next Tai Lung. And/Or worried of not fulfilling his next role as good as Master Oogway.
Yet, despite not wanting to leave his role as the Dragon Warrior, the role he's the most comfortable now, he still attempts to take the next step, despite how scared or uncertain he feels.
RIGHT, the lore gone sheeet.
No matter how much people put down the 3rd movie. The 4th movie just cannot disregard it like that.
@@meghanrodriguez2393And u know? IIRC correctly that's a storyline from the tv series, with Tai Lung's nephew, and it worked quite well
@@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 Really? That's so cool! I guess I have to rewatch the Kung Fu Panda series lol
When you talk about the Megamind sequel you should mention the short "Megamind & the button of doom"
Would love to know your thaughts
I wish so badly instead of a 4th kung fu panda, we got a prequel focusing on the furious 5. I know there's a series about them but I just would've loved to see more of them in movie form, especially tigress
Fr, hopefully people being displeased with the lack of Furious Five in this movie will prompt them to actually give them more screen time and development. They haven't done much since the second movie.
I can't wait for Schaffrillas to tear into Megamind 2.
That will be fun
Mima
Wait, there's a Megamind 2?!?!
@@OJorEm Yes. It's Vs Doom Syndicate it's right on Peacock
@@maddie_sarver Oh so it's not a movie...
And omg rly 0% on Rotten Tomatoes -
Sometimes I think Puss In Boots 2 was an anomaly for DreamWorks. Movies like this only serve to reinforce that notion.
Well part of that was because it went through development hell and took a decade to make. So that definitely affected *a lot*.
"PIB2’s success was most likely due to Bob Persichetti, the original director of The Last Wish, the guy who came up with the plot and the hook along with Guillermo Del Toro (Puss on his last life). The reason why they have stepped animation is because Bob brought that influence from his time working on Into the Spider-Verse. It was not Joel Crawford. Bob was also the one who conceived the Wolf/Death character. But DreamWorks let Bob go because they thought his vision was too dark (they thought Wolf was too scary, a terrible villain). The story was basically complete when the new directors took over The Last Wish. The heart was already there because of Bob, the new directors just added more comedy on top of it. But yeah basically, the current DreamWorks execs don’t know what they’re doing. They lucked out with Bob but let him go because they didn’t understand the talent they had in him. Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken, Trolls 3( Orion and the Dark, KFP4… that’s all Margie Cohn and Kristin Lowe. You can see how their sensibilities have affected all of the movies they’ve approved. If KFP4 is a bad movie, it’s on Mike Mitchell; the writers, and these execs."
I adore The last wish, but I can't lie, I think one of the reasons it's so beloved is because nobody expected it to be good. Look me in the (metaphorical) eye and tell me that when watching the trailer, you weren't thinking "At least the animation will be good".
@@test-ti1xjWhere is this quoted from?
No solo para Dreamworks para Hollywood
The reason I put Kung Fu Panda 2 over 1 despite still living 1 so much is the teamwork between Po and the Five. It felt like such a big pay off to see him be so respected and so admired by them, and work so well with them too that he didn’t seem like an outsider to the group; now that they truly know him, they accept him and enjoy his company and who he is. It’s a huge pay off from the first movie, and seeing him not only be included, but sometimes lead, aid, and flourish with them was amazing. Po’s fighting skills are at his best when he’s with them, and I think that’s beautiful…
So you can imagine my disappoint when I hear that they are barely present in 4
Hey man, haven't seen one of your videos in my home for literal years! Feels good to see you back ❤
The Last Wish set our hopes up too high. It feels like a lightning in a bottle situation for this studio.
Another thing that made people hype up Dreamworks way too much was that not only was PiB2 a masterpiece, but another really good movie in the Bad Guys came right before. This, combined with that year being absolutely abysmal for Disney, made people put the studio on a pedestal as the new animation god when nothing changed after that
Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas
Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas
It’s Dreamworks. They’re known for producing absolute bangers. They’re still doing better than Disney.
Thank u
Convinced Awkwafina has some serious dirt on several film producers with how much work she's getting against our will
She did fine in The Bad Guys. She can actually be good if you give her the right script or stop typecasting her as the annoying comic relief. If anything you should be grateful that at least she’s not like James Corden.
@@hunterolaughlinI’m going to be controversial and say James Gordon’s voice was a lot more tolerable than hers
@@Birdyboys James Corden's voice is actually pretty relaxing, ngl.
@Birdyboys sometimes the controversial opinion is the correct opinion. I can't stand her voice.
@@hunterolaughlin
Yeah, people gotta stop acting like it's all her fault lmao. She's fine.
I do not understand the Awkwafina hate boner everyone has.
Kung Fu Panda 4 wasn't good, but I fail to understand how that's HER fault specifically.
Cant' wait for Kung Fu Panda 5... and 6... and 19
I hope my boy lord shen doesn’t get dragged into the dumpster again.
6 is the last one
“Po’s greatest enemy” … Are we forgetting that Shen committed not only mass genocide, leaving Po to be one of the few remaining survivors of his race AND Shen was the central point of Po’s past trauma, who, may I mind you, attempted to kill Po a multitude of times in one film: once as an infant, second time at their 1v1 in the factory, third time at the final battle, and fourth on the mutilated ship which caused Shen’s demise.
this movie is good for one reason: jack black singing brittany spears
Brittany Spears automatically makes any production a 10/10.
That’s how my theatre team copes with our loss
@@Duckless137 Errr
hanz zimmer soundtrack amazing too...
@@mcrain1283 it's always the soundtracks that prevail 😮💨
Fr that cover went insanely hard
My thing is, I wouldn't have minded them sidelining the Five as much if they had put more focus on Shifu. How crazy would it have been to have a scene where Shifu and Tai Lung reconcile? Imagine Tai Lung forgiving Shifu after seeing the work he's put into training Po - he didn't mess this one up. Third time's a charm, no?
Also, I wish they would have done more with how messed up the Chameleon's power is. Have her turn into Lord Shen to terrorize Li Shan. Have her fight Shifu as Tai Lung! I don't think it's so hard to imagine creative ways to make her even just a little more evil.
True, and I think they were on to something with her abusive connection with another character. I wish they would’ve delved a little deeper into those themes since they had potential for a good story. In a way it reminded me of Gothel from Tangled
chameleon could be the representation of fear, by being able to acquire the ability to pretend to be someone, as you say that she used the appearance of the three to cause fear, Po's father could have had some development similar to Po, by surpassing Shen or the memory of it and Shifu was able to accompany Po and have scenes with Tai Lung
Very true!! Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a good example of an evil shapeshifter character. They got sadistic pleasure from the reactions they got from turning into people’s loved ones.
@@cristalmagic8664like obviously they wouldn’t go THIS far but imagine their take on the chameleon as shen being akin to vibingleaf’s kung fu panda video where she keeps bringing up everything the real shen did to po and the rest of the pandas
I think it would have been cool if the main villain was the next dragon warrior, make it where the villain finally changed and gets redeemed, we saw shifu try to redeem Tai lung and fail, Po tried with shen, and Oogway tried with Kai, it’d be cinema to see it finally happen
For the fact they gave the buddy-father arc such incredible amount of screentime it did very little to nothing in the overall plot. Cutting the Five out is possible, but then dont include two characters which hog so much time and contribute nothing to the story.
Loved your review
The fact that Tai Lung, Shen, and Kai only showed up for about a minute in an hour and a half long movie says a lot.
What’s more is that given the ending of KFP3 General Kai shouldn’t be there because his spirt was obliterated by too much chi
Nostalgia bait?
Actually wait, I thought Kai died? I guess they changed their minds on that.
@@jordanyoung1437and Shen shouldn’t have gone there in the first place
I thought it was implied that not everyone was sent to the spirit realm, you have to have inner peace before you die, or get sent there directly from techniques like the finger hold
Shen died by getting crushed by a cannon, not having found peace in the slightest
It's entirely possible inner piece isn't needed? (Shen is a jade on Kai in the third movie, indicating He beat them both in the spirit realm as he hadn't yet escaped) However Kai showing up doesn't work because he was overloaded on a spiritual level. Unless the Chameleon can use concepts (and i..I'm pretty sure they can't) its just an oversight I assume.
I know it's a meme, but Po discovering crack could've made for a better film than the one we got
LMAO
Tbf I think Jack Blacks veins naturally produces his own brand of cocaine. I mean this as a compliment, Jack is very animated lol.
No fr. Like, get this:
When he first trained to become the Dragon Warrior, Po was forced to take a sacred oath in which he promised not to engage in any sort of drug-related behaviour. But one day, he accidentally has crack, thinking it's powdered sugar (because he definitely eats plain powdered sugar). And he loves it. Po is forced to deal with his addiction in secret, with the Furious Five and Shifu wondering why the hell he's always tripping. Eventually, he's caught by a citizen, and society shuns him when the news spreads. Po flees the city, ashamed and having lost all confidence in himself. He tries to off himself, but instead of dying, he loses consciousness and has a vision where he's back in the spirit realm. After a talk with Oogway (because we need our turtle words of wisdom) and POSSIBLY some of the other villains who have also engaged in crack-related mishaps, Po realizes that he has to return to the village, and that one mistake does not define who he is as a person. He wakes up, and with a new resolve sets off for home. Of course, not everyone is willing to accept him, but the Furious Five forgive him, with Monkey admitting that he also broke the drug oath on several occasions. And in the end, that's all the acceptance Po needed.
Cocaine Bear: Dreamworks Edition
After a lifetime of idolising heroes and kungfu, Po is finally where he's always wanted to be. The Dragon Warrior, the master of Kung Fu and hero of the valley.
But, as time goes on, and the reality from the past 4 movies set it, he finds his heart's just not in it anymore.
So anyways, the British arrive. Po and the Furious Five, along with the kung fu masters of China, fend off the British invasion (the British are like bulldogs, owls, and deer maybe).
When the British are forced back by the sheer power of Kung Fu, they realise that, in order to take China, they need to weaken their resolve.
Po, already subdued on Kung Fu, becomes disillusioned after the tragedies he's seen in the British/Chinese war. A clever fox (still played by Aquafina, why not?) offers Po something to take the edge off: Opium. The high he gets is great, the greatest thing he's felt in a long time. Slowly, he and much of the Valley of Peace, succumb to the numbing effects of this new drug.
When the British come back, they're met with far less resistance, and colonise China. To ensure their continued rule, they push the Opium onto the remaining sober kung fu warriros.
It isn't until Po meets with the spirit of Nancy Reagan that he learns to say no to drugs. He, along with Tigress and the drug dealing fox (who, again, is still Aquafina, and also learns that drugs are bad), convinces everyone to put down the Opium pipe and instead pick up a Bible. Then Po sca-dooshes the King of England, and China is saved.
This just makes Kung Fu Panda 3 look even better honestly lol.
when he said "negated by the existence of Mantis and Viper" I....assume it's a play on race
I thought he was already a master, now all of a sudden he's portrayed as a bumbling student again? Dreamworks just milking the franchise instead of being creative....
He isn't portrayed as a bumbling student
@@user-mz9xo3hx1h Previous movies ends with Shifu acknowledging Po as an equal and fully fledged master of kung fu who he himself has something to learn from. This movie begins with Shifu making Po's career decisions for him and treating him like a problematic student, with Po acting the part.
Shrek flashbacks. They always do that with any successful film they make
I like how you used Dragon Driftway music for both this review and your Kung Fu Panda 2 vid lol it's a good song
Lakitu would've been a better dragon warrior successor than Zhen.
I was going to see this in theaters, but then the theater had a power outage.
Got a refund for that?
@@tylere.8436 I think so, I don’t really remember
@idontexist579 even though I did enjoy it, I say that was divine intervention
Imagine if the Chameleon did all this cool power stealing stuff super early on, in a montage, and the last target, Tai Lung, does get his power stolen but in doing so manages to escape back to the mortal realm. And much like the bird from the original movie kicks the heroes into action, this time Tai Lung is the one to bring the warning. That would give them much more time to work on the character dynamics and pay off the first movie in major new ways
I would have had the opening be the Chameleon fighting and defeating the Furious Five and Shifu to establish her as a threatening villain, give Po motivation and explain why the Five are absent. Then you have Po being forced to turn to the only ally left to help him, a redeemed Tai Lung (who has been changed by his years spent reflecting in the spirit realm) with the two of them teaming up on an adventure to stop the Chameleon. Then at the end of the movie you have Po pass the title of Dragon Warrior to Tai Lung, not because he has to but because he wants to as he feels Tai Lung has finally earned that title through his actions. A perfect passing of the torch and a fitting end to Tai Lung's character arc.
@@spongemaster wait this actually sounds sick
I like how these two random people (who I will assume do not have a professional mind in story crafting and movie making) made better decisions for a story then the actual director
@@spongemaster Bro that would've been awesome
@@Kewins_ While I am not published, I am a relatively prolific hobby writer working to create my own jrpg
This film had so many production issues that its a miracle that this film exists at all.
A miracle I would've rather not happened
@@aff77141What would’ve been a miracle is if the movie came out actually great despite the issues.
This should have been released, KFP 3 was finale
To be fair with the animation style, puss in boots was finished when KFP4 was already well into its animation development
I was expecting them to expand on the fact shifu hasnt really seemed to accept fully the fact he will never be spiritual leader. I wanted to see their relationship grow a bit more throughout the film but we get nothing. And Zhen, i dont really feel growth from her, i mean yeah she changes but let me frank, i didnt even know her name well into half way into the movie. I wanted them to push more into the father-daughter dynamic that they seemed to strive for, but, didnt fully commit too. Idk, it was an okay film but i will always look back the trilogy and think about what we couldve gotten rather than what was given.
The fact that they couldn’t make Viola Davis (the same woman who played AMANDA FUCKING WALLER mind you) an intimidating/threatening presence, is insane
Really imagine that for a second. You have a woman who is good enough to play perhaps the most self-assured and domineering villain in the entirety of DC Comics, and you make her character boring. Imagine screwing up that hard.
Exactly like wtf.
Yo SHE DID. Fuck I love Amanda Waller so much.
*IN THAT YEAR:*
"There's no Easter Bunny,there's no Tooth Fairy...and there's no unnecessary sequels to classic and acclaimed Dreamworks franchises."
•Tighten.
What? No “There is no Queen of England”? It’s technically true now that the Queen passed away 2 years ago.
@@hunterolaughlinr/whoosh
Ironic, how the line from Megamind paraphrased, the classic Dreamworks animation, says a lot about current Dreamworks work.
Ironic that you quoted a line from a movie that just got torn to shreds with its sequel
It honestly feels like all these recent Dreamworks movies, except Puss in Boots, had hefty levels of higher-ups involvement. Like people working on Puss in Boots were only allowed the level of creative freedom they had bc the studio had these "guaranteed moneymakers" like Kung Fu Panda on the way so even if the movie flopped it wouldn't be a financial disaster for the studio.
Then it turned out that Puss in Boots had a nearly half a billion dollar box office and getting nominated for the Oscars. Kung Fu Panda 4 will make Dreamworks money bc it's Kung Fu Panda...
Ping and Li together is one of the GREATEST duos I have ever seen on screen. And I am PISSED I did not see more!
First, both their personalities are similar and different in ways that compliment each other’s! The love they love have for their son and the way they use it to stay strong. How ping can sometimes be nervous and afraid, but Li, despite being so himself, is able to put on a brave face and push on in spite of it, rallying Ping in the process.
Second, a panda and a duck who both parented the same panda and are both funny and have amazing VA’s, I mean this duo deserves their own miniseries
The thing is, the story could have been really good and it would have been an easy fix:
1.) Have the Chameleon resurrect Tai Lung and steal his kung fu but have Tai Lung escape from her fortress.
2.) Po finds Tai Lung powerless in the world and realizes that he is the only one who can show him where the Chameleon is hiding and how to get into her fortress, since he just escaped from there. Also, Tai Lung would realize that Po is the only one powerful enough to defeat the Chameleon and restore his kung fu, so the two of them form a temporary and reluctant alliance. At least, it would be reluctant on Tai Lung's part.
3.) As the two go on their adventure throughout the movie, Po and Tail Lung start to bond and learn more about each other. Po learns how Tai Lung never believed in himself and is actually insecure. He believes that if he is anything not the Dragon Warrior, himself, then he is not enough. Since this was Po's character arc in the first movie, Po would understand this insecurity more than anyone and would help Tai Lung to accept himself and obtain inner peace. This would also tie into Po's journey as a spiritual leader.
4.) As Tail Lung is without his kung fu, the thing that he thought gave any kind of value, he would be forced to grow and find ways that he can help Po without violence and force. For instance, Tai Lung is charismatic and cunning, he could help Po think their way through certain situations and maybe pursuad the criminals in the movie to join their team. This would further help Tai Lung to value himself and see himself as something more then just a weapon.
5.) Tai Lung gets his kung fu back during the final battle with the Chameleon and he fights alongside Po and we would see in their fighting styles that, while Po and Tai Lung are essential opposites of each other, they are also compliments to each other. Tai Lung is the Yin to Po's Yang.
6.) After the Chameleon is defeated, Tai Lung finally accepts himself and realizes that he has no reason to stay in the mortal realm and returns to spirit realm, with the Chameleon in tow. Before parting ways, Tai Lung shows respect to Po and thanks him, much like the actual movie.
Case and point: if they replaced Zhen with Tai Lung this would have been a better movie.
you just came up with a better story in a few minutes than most of hollywood today could come up with
WHY are we treated to such sub standard stories when literally ANYBODY can come up with an amazing one? 😭
How'd you come up with a way better KFP4 story that fast?
You perfectly portrayed Po not as the student but the teacher, acknowledging the past 3 movies very nicely while giving Tai Lung a redemption arc. And also making Chameleon and actual villian. I give it a 100/10!
Masterpiece!
The Kung Fu Panda trilogy was fucking perfection. However the moment I heard that fart joke in the trailer i just KNEW the fourth one would not live up to the past three.
Same that felt so out of place for the Kung Fu Panda Movies. Like what people expect from a movie about Jack Black voicing a fat panda learning martial arts rather than what Kung Fu Panda is.
Stop saying that the 3rd one was perfect. It was pretty much the weakest out of the 3 films. This one seems to be better than the 3rd
@@martinaguiluz4063 The third one isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and it was absolutely the weakest of the three, but it's still substantially stronger than the fourth, at least in my opinion. I think that the villains illustrate how good each of the films were pretty well; Tai Lung is amazing (in quality of action, in backstory, in threat posed), Shen is equally if not more amazing, Kai falls far below the other two when it comes to writing, especially since I don't think he has a strong enough connection to any of the main characters unlike Tai Lung and Shen, but his action and threatening-ness still hold up, plus his design is just great. The chameleon just isn't the same level of threatening, cool, or well written in my opinion. Sorry for the rant.
Tldr: Shen is love, Shen is life.
I saw the AD with a fart joke and knew we were in for a ride
Tai Lung introduction: Fighting an army of prison guards and winning, while pulling off all kinds of physics defying insanity.
Shen introduction: Killing a Kung Fu Master with a fucking cannon
Kai introduction: Defeating Oogway
Chameleon introduciton: Pushing a guy down some stairs. Could've at least have her murder the guy.
So there’s been some new bts info that was just released and it reveals quite a lot why this movie feels so half assed
- KFP4 early on was considered to be a live action-animation hybrid, one of the early versions of the movie had Po stuck in a BOX for 20 minutes
- Mike Mitchell had total creative control over the movie and treated co-director Stephanie Ma Stine like a nobody
- Mitchell insisted on not giving the Chameleon and Zhen any backstory in earlier versions of the movie, and when the studio pushed him they were too far into production to add anything but the Chameleon’s few lines
- The film’s runtime was a mandate by the studio because they felt children couldn’t watch anything that was too long
- Shen, Kai, and the Furious 5 were very last minute additions to the point their animation rigs were “made of sticks and glue” which is why they have zero plot relevance and couldn’t even get the voice actors back
- Stephanie wanted KFP4 to stay truer to the first 2 films but was dismissed as a “nobody” by the crew
- Po and Shifu were supposed to have a vision of the Chameleon kidnapping Shifu which gave a reason for Po to try to stop her, he gets kidnapped anyway due to the Chameleon’s manipulation, and there were supposed to be scenes where Shifu and Tai Lung met, the execs loved it but “someone axed it”
- Stephanie fought for Zhen to be redeemed ONSCREEN after betraying Po
- The writers seemed to hate any comments “poking holes at the story”
- Many crew members pitched for Zhen’s family’s backstory but all were discarded
So yeah all of this info seems to explain why this movie is so frustrating with how the final product turned out, there’s much more info but these are just the highlights
Seems like the company was REALLY trying to make Zhen a thing, just like Nora Lum, no I'm not using that stupid name she calls herself. I thought this was Kung Fu PANDA, not Sassy DEI fox chick.
also okay side note:
because it was beginning production during the Writer's strike, the animators had to pick up the slack towards the end. There was a whole kerfuffle about "storytelling through action" and it really hinders more than it helps too, which double-sucks on the angle of a lack of cohesive or decent story too.
Bro I feel like if they actually would have listened to Stephanie the movie would have been WAAAAAY better I mean it's not bad but it's not the same level With the trilogy and now we're gonna need to Establish lore for Zhen in the 2ND movie rather than getting it out the way we have to wait for a plot that now may be a bit predictable if they actually decide to tell zhens backstory so now its going to feel like instead of a new adventure its just a new adventure that followd the old patterns of the first movie random picked dragon warriors 2nd backstory 3rd masters enemy which kind of doesn't sound like the 3rd makes sense but still
It sucks that we didn't get that version of Kung Fu Panda 4 with Shifu getting kidnapped by the Chameleon and the tone of the first two installments, except the live-action/animation hybrid one.
@@bulatao195 ik
When Schaff's Kung Fu Panda 4 got more marketing than the movie itself.
IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS
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To be fair, I did see a lot of billboards and ads for the film all over my city.
I didn’t even know it existed until now
An episode from the Kung Fu panda series is literally much more entertaining than the entirety of the movie (except the two fathers buddy trip)
First movie: Po has to master his body and learn to use one's strength against them -> Uses Tai Lung's strength against him
Second movie: Po needs to calm his mind and let go of the past -> Spares Shen, but Shen dies in a fit of rage cause he can't do the same
Third movie: Po has to master chi -> He does that and shows Kai how it's done
Fourth movie: Po has to become a spiritual leader -> He bonks the Chameleon with his staff
So i watched all three kung fu movies to refresh myself before seeing the new movie. In the first movie, Oogways staff is broken by Tai Lung. Second and third movie? The staff has a golden band to seal it and keep it together. You could even take that as a metaphor for oneself, that youre never truly broken and you can heal even stronger than before.
The band is completely gone in this 4th movie. It does not exist, and the staff is completely smooth. And I think that says a lot about the movie's attention to detail and the growth of the characters compared to the previous installments.
Someone asked the co-director of the movie, Stephanie Stein, about that actually, and she said "I think because our production designer Paul Duncan pitched the idea that when he mastered chi, he was able to fix the staff. But don’t quote me on this one. He was passionate about every single little detail." I think it would've been a lot more better if they actually showed that.
I kind of wish instead of the fox girl it was a forced team up between Tai Lung and Po, no joke it would’ve been a great way to tie back to the first film and give us an actual interesting dynamic between our two leads.
Tai lung and po movie sounds like a better story
pLEASE. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER.
Let him cook
A buddy comedy between those two would've been awesome
Oh... now I am even more sad and disappointed we didn't get that and instead got what we got... sometimes I wish that creative teams work with fans more because when a franchise gets big enough, there's a lot of fans out there that have some really cool ideas.
This was the only movie i watched were i had to physically look away from the screen to catch a break like it was so rushed that i was getting a headache
Problems with the KFP4
1) it made no sense to why Po had to retire, he was still so young and not even that. He was literally told and forced to retire by Shi Fu. This movie fixates on destiny and yet Po entire being was a choice made by Shi fu? Legit, felt so rushed and confusing. Po just like oogway should’ve made that choice of when their time is up
2) Villain was flat out boring, no interesting goals or motivation. All that stuck was that she couldn’t fight cause she was small when Mantis and viper literally exists.
3) They treated every single villain so dirty💀. Firstly, why is Kai there?, Kai doesn’t exist in both physical and spiritual realm. He was literally erased from existence. Second, Tai lungs dialogue was so cringy especially knowing how he is and acts in the first film. Shen bowing also made no sense, why did he bow. Shens character was never to yield even when wrong, he was merciless and psychotic yet gives no reason to bow at all.
4) the fox, she was just a replacement for Tigress
5) the kung fu was lack lustered and imo horribly choreographed. Just felt like the classic punch kick. Rewatch both 1,2,3 films and you can tell that the kung fu was disappointing.
This movie was a simple crash grab. Nothing made sense or had essence. Shameful it even exists, it’s only saving justice is jack black’s performance as Po and Animation. Everything else was mediocre.
KFP4 feels like Toy Story 4.
Both are films that are sequels to trilogies that had a conclusive ending and didn't really need more.
Tbf Katzenberg has stated this is basically step 1 in a new trilogy thats probably going to focus on Po giving up the mantle of Dragon Warrior and the Awkwafina fox going through similar adventures as Po and learning similar or different concepts
Though this will probably depend on its box office returns
Toy Story 4 is still a good movie.
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@@Indeeee I mean… Toy Story 4 is the weakest in the franchise
YES
kung fu panda 1 was the physical battle
kung fu panda 2 was the psychological battle
kung fu panda 3 was the spiritual battle
kung fu panda 4 was nothing. It was such a perfect trilogy
I'd hardly call it "perfect" with how dumbed down and underwhelming 3 was, but it was great.
@@100organicfreshmemes5I’m glad I’m not the only one that didn’t care for 3. It’s not a bad movie of course, but the others felt stronger in terms of narrative and character growth.
It underwent the classic trilogy tragectory: perfect first movie, masterpiece second movie, and the underwelming conclusion.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 almost perfect but 3 is not that bad, but it leaves a good note at the end and concludes the saga, however this one feels bad
Eh perfect duology with a mediocre sequel to make a great trilogy rather.
I was perfectly fine with that, now if we take it all combined it makes for an average quadrulogy of movies which is...just so sad.
They really could have gone in so many different directions with a 4th movie, and even within the “new dragon warrior” idea they chose (although I don’t understand how/why po has to be replaced and so extremely soon???) and one idea I like best if he does for some reason need to already choose a successor is Tigress!
That is a character I believe to be worthy of this role wayyyyyyyy way way beyond randomly inserted fox girl we’ve never seen before who did practically nothing even in her own story. Tigress was cold, mean, and cocky in the first movie, fully expecting to get the dragon warrior title even down to the “are you pointing at me?” scene , and it’s clear she’s bitter and feels robbed by Po having been chosen instead of her throughout the movie. But over time, she accepts Po not only as the dragon warrior, which is development in itself, but more importantly as a friend whom she loves and cares about and is shown to be perfectly happy working side by side with as a team member and their relationship and togetherness in combat and emotional moments in the next 2 movies are beautiful. Her not getting the dragon warrior title is the best thing that happened to her because it forced her to become a better version of herself WITHOUT it, and she met what is arguably her new best friend Because of it, and she really develops a lot during the trilogy if you really think about it. It could be a great lesson about how you can’t force something or earn something you want using only skill paired with self-centeredness, because yes, she was the best of the Furious Five at Kung fu, but she was also the one that needed the most work internally by far. She did the work, and I believe that her discovery of who she can be without the title was the very path she needed to take before it could ever be “her time” to be the Dragon Warrior. She is ready, dreamworks!!! If you’re gonna have someone other than Po be Po somehow, it very well could be Tigress!!
I’m so bummed they didn’t do something like this. It could have also added that emotional beauty and life lessonyness that makes all other Kung Fu Panda films amazing, with how each one showcases an internal struggle and lessons to be learned that heal the characters (or dont heal with a character like Lord Shen) which this 4th installment is completely lacking, and that lack of truly thought out, emotional beauty is what hurts most from 4. They really could have made some moments that were on the same level as the other movies’ by following Tigress’s journey and maybe even Po’s conflicting feelings about stepping down , if again they gave it more time in-universe and had him be the dragon warrior for much longer and then grapple with acceptance as he is “too old” or something idk! Anything would be better than this!!😭
Chameleon villain could have used some sick visual trick like creating illusions of herself using her surroundings.
Imagine making everything look like a rainbow slushie to disrupt Poe's concentration.
The villain needed to double down of not fighting fair, so Poe has to think outside the box to win.
"it makes the universe a lot smaller" damn thats a quote that applies to sequels of some of my favorite franchises
Fr. I take such issue with Juniper city as a concept, because po WENT to a CITY, IN THE SECOND MOVIE! AND IT WAS SUPER FAR AWAY. I know China's a big place especially on foot, but it's like. Was the best you could do THAT? It's so basic, even the criminal underground has zero flavor, which is DIFFICULT to do
I walked out of the theater slumped over with my face scraping across the floor
Same, bruh, when I left the theater, I wondered "and this is what we've been waiting for for 8 years"
@@alexmac8246I haven't even watched the movie yet, and the way you described the experience afterwoods I was like *"I ain't goin back!"*
The first 3 kung fu panda films were about body,mind, and spirit the next three films (yes there is going to be 2 more films) are probably going to be about life lessons because the message behind kung fu panda 4 is how to deal with change.
the chameleon: hey villain gimme yar powe
all villains in spirit realm except for tai: ok
One thing I’ll genuinely give the movie credit for is the scene where Shifu passes Oogway’s peach tree metaphor on to Po-that was honestly a really nice touch.
related to that of Shifu & Oogway, the final scene with Shifu meditating & the scene zooms out to reveal the growing peach tree from the first movie? actual bliss.