Philippine Airlines Eyes Airbus A350-1000 Order
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- After consecutively posting positive quarterly results for the first time in several years, Philippine Airlines remains optimistic about a highly profitable 2023 as demand for air travel soars. With an expectation for a profit-churning year, Philippine Airlines also expects to make a potential order for more widebodies in the following months. In today’s video, let’s look at what the airline has its eye on.
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To me as a Filipino, it is a yes, because PAL is loyal to Airbus, all the more with a new order with that aircraft type would strengthen their relationship with the planemaker.
And plus, PAL's A350 flights are actually pretty good. I remembered riding on one when PAL used to occasionally dispatch it for their MNL-MEL-MNL flights.
It would be nice to see more A350s employed for their long-haul international services.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing Yeah, don't forget about NYC flights.
your flag carrier is garbage.
Also I encourage PAL to order the A220 to bridge the gap between their Q400 turboprop and A320 Family.
@@markdwighttadina7655 That also sounds good, but however the crew would need additional training.
Its official! 9 orders + 3 Options
A350 1000 is a best aircraft for Phillipines air lines to fly to routes like Manila- New York, Manila - London and Manila - Montreal
@Tristan Samson i think PAL wouldn't launch their direct nonstop flights to Europe as route between Europe and Manila are low yield and not economically viable to operate it. Only time will tell if PAL want to resume their flights between Manila and London someday. In the past, most of European Airlines are struggling to serve Manila because of poor demand, instead the European Airlines choose to serve Bangkok and Singapore for Southeast Asian market as it have better P2P demand. If PAL really want the Airbus A350-1000, it's better to focus their operation to North America, Middle East and Southwest Pacific for long haul flight.
You are correct. Do you mean PR720/721 to LHR🇬🇧 and PR126/127 to JFK🇺🇲 from MNL🇵🇭 also MNL-YYZ PR118/119🇨🇦
@philippineairlinesfan101 PAL won’t launch those routes for the foreseeable future. That’s why PAL has an interlining scheme with Emirates so that they can focus on expansion towards North America, Australia and China
The question is will they also fly to Mexico since ANA and China Southern are flying to that country
@@syafiqrizuan5588 part of this also has to do with ME oligopolies. EY, EK, QE, and Turkish to a lesser degree have maximised their geography and in-flight quality to be THE alternative for PH-Europe passengers. I mean it helps to stretch your legs in between journeys.
I'm surprised that PAL would go for the 1000. However, it would be a practical option since the 1000 is similar to the 777-300ERs.
Definitely an upgrade, and shows how PAL's relationship with Airbus is solid. An honestly good option.
It will be 40-ish seats short of the 77W. Sayang din ang seats na iyon.
in the Philippines, most aircraft are airbus manufactured, and the a350 seems to be a really good fit, 100 percent sure they are getting the a350, and if they get a good deal may be the a330neos?
The Neos are going to be a wise option for PAL especially that their A330ceos are used a lot and the neos wouldn't require much additional training. The A330 is the best fit for medium to long haul flights like to South Korea, Japan, and Australia.
The A350-1000 would be best ultilised for their US, UK, Canada, and New Zealand routes (basically their ultra long-haul flight offerings).
Cebu Pacific already had the A330neo but what about Philippine Airlines? Will they follow suit?
@@CoSmicGoesRacing PAL also used A330ceo to New Zealand and as far as Hawaii too
The A350-1000 is a perfect fit for PAL and the perfect replacement for its ageing B777-300ERs. They already have A330s and two A350s. They used to fly A340s and more A350s. So a -1000 is a natural choice as regards commonality, pilot training, spare parts and the likes.
Usually PAL is keeping the B777-300er also, There replacing the A330ceo's for a 787-9
I think not entirely. But if they indeed pushed through with A350-1000 as full replacement to all B777-300ER, then it would mean PAL may become an All Airbus fleet airline like CebuPac right now (not counting CebuPac and PAL Express)
@@zhyyy2223If indeed true with 787-9, Good Luck on the waiting as Boeing had a lot of backlogs with the 787. But yeah, I will still go with 787 IMO.
Now several news says that PAL signed MoU with Airbus for purchase 10 units of
A350-1000.
A350-1000, best Aeroplane in the sky right now 👌🏽
The ultimate Balikbayan Boxliner, filled to the maximum with 44 LD3 containers or 14 pallets, and 480 seats in maximum cabin density. Can they also spec the A350-1000 extra large overhead bins? (for obvious reasons...)
With the sudden demand for long-haul travel, it would be great for PAL to go with the A350-1000. The -900s are actually great. Had the chance to fly on one MNL-MEL-MNL before the pandemic and it was spacious, quiet and comfortable.
Before they leased off some of their A350s to Lufthansa during the pandemic, PAL occasionally dispatched the A350s on select flights to Melbourne and Sydney. Would love to fly on one again!
I think the A359 fits PAL because it gives it the flexibility on thinner long-haul routes. I am surprised that PAL is deciding to set its sights on the A35K based on forecasts of profit. One would think an A35K is a more expensive alternative to the A359 given the former's larger capacity. It makes me think: has PAL resolved the issues that made them return four of the latter in the first place?
@@paololim3513 the pandemic triggered the return of the 4 A350s. Besides, the A35K would be the perfect replacement for the aging B777s that they would retire.
PAL has ordered A350-1000s a few hours ago
2:10 when did PAL order B787-9s?!
it got cancelled.
both philippine carriers are loyal airbus customers.....i haven't heard any one buying a boeing 737 max for their domestic flights....
True. Their relationship with Boeing is slowly wavering. I think this became even more obvious after PAL retired the 747-400s in 2014.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing there was an offer for the 777X but that program has so many delays philippine airlines just move on....
@@johnpatricklim4509 that’s why Airbus took advantage and gave PAL a closer relationship with the aircraft manufacturer.
Since pal has already ordered the -1000 varient, they really need to order the -900s also, since it offers more versatility for the shorter runway airports,while the -1000 has bigger range, which makes it suitable for their future european destinations
This would really benefit airbus,pal,and the passengers alike
That's up to Philippine airlines
It would be really cool to see PAL get some A350-1000s! If this order happens, I doubt we will see an order for the 777-9. I wonder if we will see an order for the 787 or the A330neo?
My thoughts as well since some of their A330 has been retired and sold to Air Asia
They’ll chose the A330neo since Airbus commonality is the future in Aviation. No airlines will ever order Boeing here in the Philippines.
@@mxttyzw so the 777 is an enigma to you...I suggest you rephrase your comment there in Philippines !!!
@@mxttyzw That's simply not true. PAL still runs the 777-300ERs for their US and Canada routes. Don't forget that they once had 747s and 737s in their fleet.
As for the A330neo, I think you are spot on. It is a logical choice for PAL to order especially for medium to long haul destinations like Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Sydney, Seoul, Tokyo, and Osaka. I do think they'll order the -900 rather than the -800.
A35Ks to replace the 77W and 787s to replace their a330s. Both A and B go home happy. 🤝
Ng and Tan have rocked on with the A350-1000s
hope that they expand to other new routes if they take up an order
making a video just for the sake of it? there was a reason why I subscribed to this channel.
That is a good choice for Philippine Airlines, the Airbus A350 - 1000 will be a good upgrade due to its commonality with the fleet. But I was hoping that Philippine Airlines will take the Boeing 777x since they are already using the Boeing 777 - 300er, but Boeing certification issues with the type can become a reason why Philippine Airlines is choosing the other side
As a citizen, i would choose for them not to choose the flying coffin
@@Lelouch980 both carriers are loyal airbus customers....the only boeing left is an old 777-300 ER from Philippine Airlines
@@Lelouch980 the 777-300 is the last great thing Boeing will ever make, its the max we should worry about.
I think the a350-1000 is a good replacement and bad replacement for their older a350s because the Airbus a350-1000s simply outperforms the a350-900, but I hope they will not replace their B777 with it. I still do think they need the B777-300ER rather than the old A350-900. I say this because, B777 has better capacity and is much taller and longer than their A350s. Since they use planes for cargo as-well, I think height and length is an important factor especially for larger cargos. The A350-1000 even if it performs better (can fly farther than a350-900), and has more capacity and it’s longer than the A350-900 it is a 49M dollars difference from A350-900 to A350-1000 but in the other hand, it’s only a 9M dollar difference from the B777 so your opinion let me know by replying to me.
Economics and they will be used for long haul. They favor airbus because of the service facility in Singapore and Manila. Plus Boeing is often tied politically.
1:34 A350 without the mask looks so weird 😭
Airbus a350-1000 is perfect fit for long haul flights, likely mnl to jfk, more seats and wide range of the aircraft, rather than the b777-300er. A350 is a game changer for its highly range for long haul destinations and of course will add some more destinations outside the country such european cities..
FYI the A350-1000's length is close to the 777-300ER's length.
Edit : And it came to fruition.
The range of the 300ER is shorter than the A350-1000. They could wait for the 777-8 and 777-9 but there is one problem, ehich is range. The 777-9 has more capacity but has less range (-3000km). The 777-8 has the same range of the A350-1000 but it has less capacity and lenght. Also, both the 777-9 and 8 is very expensive to operate compared to the A350 and PAL is a huge fan of Airbus.
@@Ferruru694 Too bad they didn't got the A380 though. Hope they order the A220 to bridge the gap of A320/A321 and their turboprop Q400.
@@markdwighttadina7655 I would actually want to see them order the A220 for domestic flights
787-9&10 are also perfect for PAL’s long haul, and once 777X is available it is even better!
no!!!! Boeing are crappy.
Would love to see the A350-1000 in the Retro cheatline livery or the Eurowhite Livery with the Sunriser logo stretched downwards touching the rear fuselage similar to that of Lufthansa
Avoid PAL like plague. I flew biz class SFO-MNL-CGK on PAL for the first time in 2022 June. 3 out of my 4 legs were canceled and the airline refused to rebook me with their partner airlines and I had to stay at NAIA Mabuhay Lounge for 2x23 hours.
If they could do this to their Business class passenger, I wouldn't dare to think of how the rest got treated.
Yes same here regular fatesndtime changes and cancellation to and from manilawgsn they were supposed to be in partnership with Lufthansa and swiss air who lost my case
a great choice and the passengers will love it
both Boeing 777x and Airbus A350- 1000 is good fit for Philippine Airlines.🛫
The best suited option for Philippine Airlines is ordering them in the ULR configuration because in some cases A350-900 PR126/127 JFK-MNL will be restricted on cargo capacity. I do see them rotating between Manila to Toronto at New York and short-distance flights like Manila to Osaka and MNL-HKG to complete with CX
Problem is as long as Russia has leverage over its airspace, this will be a difficult prospect. It is the geographically the largest country in the world and given its northernly expanse, it closes the airspace and grinds commerce to a standstill.
Thank you for telling me about that so looks like the correct way would have been up over Anchorage then down to the Eastern parts of the United States and Canada.
These will use the RP-C35xx registrations 15 PR A350xwb Aeroplanes are still going to lose to SQ And CX fleets.
They may consider converting their 777-300ER to full-time freighters.
This is just the plane that they need to have more flights here in Toronto... or in general in North America... I'm tired of always connecting either to ICN, HND or in NRT whenever I go home during the holidays and I always fly during the holiday peak season (Christmas and New years)... its just saves time if you fly direct... i lost 2 days of my vacation in my last flight home due to weather and connection times... PAL pls make this happen
Problem is as long as Russia has leverage over its airspace, this will be a difficult prospect, especially on the flight back to MNL.
Slightly off topic question. Can a pilot be rated to fly both the Airbus A350 and the Airbus A320 at the same time?
Yes, its possible.
I stopped halfway through. PAL can buy all the airplanes it wants to, but until the airport operating authority improves the airport terminals & other infrastructure, no thanks.
And plus they can probably just use mactan-cebu
Yes, I agree A350-1000 fits for PAL upgrade or additional fleets for there operation.
About time the old 777s and A330s get replaced 😆
I really hope they operate more aircrafts like B787
lol
Nope. Not gonna happen. It’s already confirmed Boeing’s presence is over.
i do not think they will order the boeing 787 but the boeing 777x will since Philippine airlines is still eyeing for an order, this also happens in the boeing 777x possible order but it has been shelved due to the pandemic so best thing to do is just wait and watch what will the airline will order in the coming years, their boeing 777 300ers are still kicking and many of them are less than 10 years of age
Apart from the 777, Airbus planes are a perfect fit for PAL! The Airbus 350-1000 is the logical upgrade from the 777. As a Filipino, I am inordinately proud of Philippin e Airlines, the first Southeast Asian Airline to fly to Europe and North America (with a tag to Mexico City!) in the Fifties.
Service like low-cost and price of ticket is expensive than Qatar airways... PAL should upgrade their interior especially those from Middle East..
Nice report 🌟
Flying on Pal next
if from the US, good luck
Wonder how Airbus will structure that deal? They must get some sort of financial guarantees since the airline just emerged from bankruptcy. Tough to say yes when you still question their ability to pay. Maybe they'll purchase through leasing companies.
If I were a lessor , I'd be hesitant to sign them on as well, considering they lost almost their entire a350 9 fleet to Lufthansa!!!
If you're a one company airline, have heard they give you a better price ( so I've been told)
So is it goodbye to boeing for PAL?
May benefit them with more flights and newer sectors to Europe, North America.
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Both... for recreational travel and business travellers.
A350s to replace the 777s. 787s to replace the A330s. This is the way.
I agree of this
A350-1000's to replace the 777-300 if they don't want to wait for the Boeing 777-9X
and thet should replace the A330-300 with the 787-9 or 787-8 maybe.
but im hooked to the 777-9X
No I been on those in Lufthansa and tourist class on those for 14 hours is purgatory cramped seating and I am no giant. The boing 787version dream liners much better for long haul even in tourist or economy class and. More toilets incidentally .....Don't do it PA's if you really care about passegers as much as profits
I WOULD USE IT FROM HEATHROW OR MANCHESTER TO CLARK EVERY TIME.
777-X is the future
absolutely ! as B777-300ER is getting older.
The oldest is about 13 years old. These can fly up to 20 years
The font they use for the black lettering of "Philippines" looks like it was created with MS Word. So tacky, I hope they can at least use the "It's more fun in the Philippines" font or update it with more character somehow.
The A350-1000 is a perfect choice for Philippine Airlines but I wish they would join the ID90 program!
Yessss
im just quite sad they decided to not operate PR701/702 to London and back
Due to the war between Ukraine and Russia
They might open this route for the coming future. They might service again by mid to late 2024.
They don't have enough airplanes
@@WRic86 fair enough
A big yes since it's an Airbus!
A a350-1000 is the best I hope they order so we can see long flights
In my opinion, Boeing 777x is a good replacement to their ageing Boeing 777-300ER. But knowing Boeing still have issues on their certifications of their 777x, and the late production once certified, PAL can't afford to wait for 777x. So A350-1000 is one of their better options despite that Boeing 777x is a better replacement to their Boeing aircraft.
Another thing is the familiarity of the cockpit and pilots don't have to go thru a lot of retraining which saves some money for the airlines....
@@johnpatricklim4509 although the A35K only provides 40 additional seats than the A359. And PAL's 77Ws carry 370 passengers, including 42 C passengers on the 2-3-2 configuration. Sayang din ang 30-odd passengers that PAL will forego by settling for an A35K instead of a newer 77W or 777x.
Good to see Boeing going under.
They prolly gonna cram 500 people on that A350 😂😂😂
Replacing old 777’s with the A350K is a good decision for PAL coz 777x is too big to fill for them. And if they really want to be more competitive and save a lot on costs, they should consider replacing their A330s with a more fuel efficient B787. B787-9 is perfect fit for their Middle East destinations. 787 has more range they can open routes new routes as far as Morocco.
They’ll more likely to order the A330neo.
Despite it’s lacking performance to the 787-9. It all comes to delivery slots, safety, and commonality. The A330 and A350 shares the same rating than the 787 and 777.
Airbus type rating is the only type rating in the Philippines which is why Boeing’s presence has sealed it’s fate.
@@mxttyzw safety haaa?. Curious.
Isn't it weird how most of the recent injuries (both serious and minor) due to turbulence were on the a330?
Just in the last few months/weeks passengers on a Lufthansa, condor and Hawaiian a330/a330neo reported injuries, some even serious.
I have never heard such on a 787 flight, yet you claim the a330 is safer.
If it's safer then why have many people been injured flying the a330 in the past few weeks/ months?
Why does the a330 react to turbulence soo poorly that many people have had concussions from banging their heads against the bins above?
I want these in the LA and San Francisco routes as these are the ones currently served by 777-300 ERs, which, let's be honest, are showing their age.
Really want that premium economy in these routes.
On the San Francisco routes 3 out of the last 4 days, they have cancel the flight
I just want them to fly the route
You’re correct on that it’s pretty pathetic with the old beat-up planes that feel like jeepneys already inside.
Nevertheless, we will have to wait a very very long time. If PAL hasn’t already ordered by now, these new planes are just put at the end of a long backlog.
Gave up on them after last year , and already switched over to ANA for this year’s trips .
@@pushslice I went with EVA this year
A350-1000 is absolutely fit to PAL, however, If they want to order that aircraft, I hope they will order directly from Airbus, not in any lessor. It might happen "again" that they used to have six Airbus A350-900 in the past, but now there are only two.
777 X. or A350 X
Airbus has a huge backlog because of China and it will take forever to fulfill PAL's orders. They should consider the 777-9 which offers more capacity and could be delivered sooner despite the certification issues.
Flew PAL recently and it was bad. Never again flying PAL.
how bad was it?? how long was your delay, or did they cancel your flight? (or both)
Have they placed the order yet????
PAL would like to launch A350 1000 on routes for fuel efficiency and luxury experience
the -1000 would make most sense on their US, Canada, UK and NZ routes. The -1000 is best utilised on those ultra-long haul routes.
Absolutely, why not? Airbus is an excellent product and it'll be a perfect pair with their already 900 in use.
Problem is - both Airbus and Boeing can't keep up with the demand for long haul wide-body aircraft. Turkish Airlines for one "paused" its USA route expansion - Detroit and Denver due to lack of aircraft (and also of pilots). Regardless - I would go with PAL opting for the B777X (777-9) over the A350-1000. The A350 type is getting dated by the time the 777X comes into service 2 years from now.
After Air India philippines Airline also order 34 order 😅
Big win for Airbus
The airline has poor cabin they have b777 long haul flight no IFE but they charge so high imagine 13 to 14 hrs floght without IFE but they charge huge amount of money,and their regional and domestic service is awful poor cabin seats and poor cabin food on board
Their B777s have IFE
@@WanderingProphet 1 of their B777 for transpacific light does have IFE for longhaul please coz my sister inlaw flew that 1 of their B777
As long as no accident and safe to fly 🙄
I think replacing the A340-300 with the A350-1000 is kinda strange, but interesting at the same time.
It's quite obvious that they want an airplane that doesn't struggle into the air with all those Balikbayan boxes in the cargo hold, plus the weight of ultra-long haul fuel, every seat occupied and overhead bins filled with even more boxes.
They got rid of the last 340-300 in 2018
@@WRic86 But they use the A350s as A340 replacements!
I am neither qualified nor informed well enough to make any such comments. 😉
777X is beter to pal
As someone who's working closely with airlines in the airport in Manila, I still believe they'll order the 777x & 787. But for the mean time, they'll order the A350-1K (atleast 3 or 4) while planning to take also Boeing aircrafts. PAL is also a legacy airline for Boeing and from what I heard they might convert their 777 300er as freighter if they wish to venture to Cargo.
Just be a plane lover, someone from the comment section burst hatred to Boeing LMAO Sheesh.
There is An Error Philippine Airlines has 10 777-300ER's
In my Opinion as a Filipino
Philippine Airlines should wait for the Boring 777-9X for the New Flag Carrier because the Boeing 777-9X had More seating Capacity and Range than the A350-1000(note not the ULR)
I know that PAL has Already Fleet Commonality with The Airbus A350-900's but there are more 777's than A350's so Boeing is the Better choice.
also they have to retire the 777-300 first by waiting for 2 years to order.
They could wait for the 777-8 and 777-9 but there is one problem, which is range. The 777-9 has more capacity but has less range (-3000km). The 777-8 has the same range of the A350-1000 but it has less capacity and lenght. Also, both the 777-9 and 8 is very expensive to operate compared to the A350 and PAL is a huge fan of Airbus.
well its thier decision
if there is a voting for the public im going for the 777-9X.
but thats ok you prove me wrong on this.
but considering the 777-8 has the same range but less seats im suddenly deciding on myself to vote for the 777-8X instead
Not being critical, but No is pronounced as “hmm” while opening your mouth gently.
And no orders for Dreamliners as well
Love the A350-1000 but at the same time I still hope Philippine Airlines still flies Boeing aircrafts.
No matter what airplane they get, love for them to be on time for once, not 3 or 4 hrs late or worse yet,cancel so many flights. and not tell you till the last minute, (US to Manila) PAL= planes always late
On the Australia routes (Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney), punctuality is quite good, and Perth gets added from next week.
False, As a Filipino I am aware they are still bankrupt, I doubt they will buy aircrafts. I could be wrong here. 😅 nice video!
A350-1000 will be a good choice for PAL in its long haul flights in North America Like Toronto and New York as this routes are always in full capacity
As a Filipino from Davao
I'm not Expecting a Order of Airbus A350-1000 instead of The Boeing 777-9X
Because their Pilots are used to The 777-300ER
Im totally shock of this plan.
Not for sure they can wait that, long for the 777x to come out(if ever it does)
Read me out
So Boeing 777-300ER
Fleet has 11 planes
And the Airbus A350-900 has two
So the fleet commonality is small with the A350
Than the 777
@@ibxgameryt9449The range of the 300ER is shorter than the A350-1000. They could wait for the 777-8 and 777-9 but there is one problem, ehich is range. The 777-9 has more capacity but has less range (-3000km). The 777-8 has the same range of the A350-1000 but it has less capacity and lenght. Also, both the 777-9 and 8 is very expensive to operate compared to the A350 and PAL is a huge fan of Airbus.
@@ibxgameryt9449 i don't think 8 777-300ers can compare to 24 a321s, 11 a320s, 9 a330s when it comes to type rating.
@@ibxgameryt9449 PAL only has 9 triple 7's
Guess PAL will not order the 777X then.
Why no 787-9?
PAL cancelled its 787-9 sad🙁
@@flyingfoxaviation6398 I don't think they ever ordered the 787-9, did they?
Stanley NG the ceo of PAL and his business partners have a decision if they should order the Boeing 787-9 or the Airbus A350-900
and they order 6 airbus A350-900
instead of the 787-9
and now they have two A350's left.
thats why they should consider ordering the 777-9X to replace the 777-300ER.
not the minority plane the A350-900 for the 1000.
but its their final decision to order the 777-9X or the A350-1000
Chalk up ANOTHER loss for Boeing. I hope Boeing goes out of business soon.
They probably will but comac will end up being the industry leader in the next 20 years
@@averagejoe9249 Comac only been around a few years but already 10x the quality of Boeing already
@@damsom1431 precisely. They also have better quality then Airbus hence why they will be the FrontRunner in aviation in the next 20 years
@@averagejoe9249
The Chinese are not noted for their ground breaking aviation technology, and that's what propels airline orders. A need to reduce costs by increased fuel efficiency, in engine and airframe manufacture, plus increased comfort, when your competitors are offering that. Chinese workers are excellent automata, but as for design, forget it. Im sure that Comac will develop reasonable aircraft in the future, but their technology will be old school. When they compete with wide bodies, they might as well reverse engineer a B787 and A350, and when they've done that, both Boeing and Airbus will have moved on. Only sanction busting airlines will buy these Chinese models, especially if they fail to get airworthiness certs in the West........😀.......
edit: gr.
Indeed, Boeing has only received 200 orders for the 787 in the last 4 months. Poor Boeing. 🙃
777X is better just wait for them to be available .
b787 is better
I don't think the A350-1000 is a good option for the carrier. It's far too big for the airline. It should look for a smaller aircraft. Otherwise it will proabably struggle financially again.
They need planes for their long-haul routes, they don't have enough now
@@WRic86 That does not justify the plane size. I see nothing wrong about ordering aircraft, the issue is the size of it.
@@mauroizquierdo9544 you mean the 77Ws are causing them financial difficulties?
Kahit ano gawing sigaw to being proud by pal.di naman pilipino may ari nyan kundi chinese.dapat pilipinas nag papatakbo nyan hindi pribado walang kwenta balita