Why did Alan Wilder leave Depeche Mode?

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  • Why did Alan Wilder leave Depeche Mode?
    A pivotal member of Depeche Mode, Alan Wilder, left in 1995 after 13 years with the band. His huge contribution to the development of the band's sound and his brilliant interpretation of Martin Gore's songs are undeniable and in this video we ask the question, why leave a band at the peak of it's success and powers??

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  • @WorldInMyEyes1
    @WorldInMyEyes1  2 роки тому +37

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    • @ninalisa2303
      @ninalisa2303 2 роки тому +4

      Thanks for your insights. I just wanted to point out the role from Fletch. He was the glue, when he left the tour 1993, the glue was missing. He was responsible for the finances and managing the group, acting as their spokesperson. That was his contribution to the band. Maybe without Fletch, DM wouldn't last so long... RIP Andrew Fletcher... Never forget his little dances ...

    • @Bellasie1
      @Bellasie1 2 роки тому +2

      I agree with you, I believe DM's iconic sound came from Alan Wilder's musical mastery and genius, and that his presence gave it the edge that made them superstars. I am absolutely convinced they owe him their rise to international stardom and eventual recognition in their own country, too. Martin is undeniably the other gifted creative artist, with Dave being a charismatic frontman and vocalist, and their combined talent enabled the band to go on. Andrew Fletcher (RIP) seems to have been the discreet business mastermind behind the marketing, which shouldn't be neglected either. Nevertheless, Alan Wilder was the musical mastermind that made the DM magic happen and stand out from the rest of pop music in a musically rich era. While I'll always love DM, their Alan Wilder era was without questioning the best. It is such a shame they couldn't fix the problem and he felt compelled to leave. I personally believe there must have been a social & educational background dimension at play, too.

    • @mikeg8630
      @mikeg8630 7 місяців тому

      Thank you for providing some of the information that gives us the ability to imagine for ourselves what the answer to the question is. I'm going to go with, Alan tried to figure out how the future could be successful, and didn't think it was possible with the circumstances, and rather than go down with the ship, he decided to take control of his own destiny. And maybe if he did stay, it wouldn't have worked and become a failure. I'm thankful for "Ultra" and "Playing the Angel", and maybe Alan's departure was a wake up call and had something to do with motivating the remaining members to succeed with a greater challenge without him. It's all good. Nothing to be sad about. I sometimes like to imagine someday someone will be able to remix everything from the past and create somethings almost new and different. But then we would have to add Dave, Martin, and Alan to the creation to really make it the best product. Just a thought. Oh, and if we could all be young again, that would be great too.

  • @FreddieFreethinking
    @FreddieFreethinking 3 роки тому +453

    For those interested. Martin Gore is a talented songwriter. He is specially a good lyric writer. But what everybody need to know is that it is in the studio where the magic happens. Alan Wilder was the engineer that crafted the DM sound in the studio. Gore wrote the songs but it was Alan that made them come to life. Without Alan Wilder DM never would have sounded this great. In my world that means that Alan Wilder is the Co Writer to the songs.
    It is in the studio the songs comes to life. Songs change in studio and can become a totally different song than when it first was created. Songs can be bits and pieces that later comes to life in a studio.
    Alan Wilders music skills is very Underrated. I say this again. Without him DM never would have sold 100+ millions of records.
    That's a fact.
    I Salute Alan Wilder.
    A Music Genius.

    • @FolkloreNegro
      @FolkloreNegro 3 роки тому +16

      This is wisdom.

    • @Anakidris101
      @Anakidris101 3 роки тому +27

      Totally agree with you. Since he left, DM has never been the same. ( even if I think Ultra was very good, in the spirit of Alan's work ). We miss him si much since.

    • @joycejballesta4860
      @joycejballesta4860 2 роки тому +2

      ❤❤❤

    • @TheTimHall
      @TheTimHall 2 роки тому +29

      Alan definitely needs a co-writing credit on everything he touched. In some cases he took quite ordinary songs and turned them into classics. I know some of the DM fans will not like to hear that, but if you read the lyrics of some of the songs they are kind-of basic. That's not a bad thing. Basic songs can be catchy and cool. What makes these songs stand out is the whole universe Alan Wilder created for them to live in. Add in some Dave Gahan attitude and you have greatness. The lyrics and basic melody are only one part of the whole package, and I totally understand Alan Wilder being upset by the situation. Add in that Fletch is being paid for being Martin's mate, and you have a recipe for dissatisfaction...

    • @allrequiredfields
      @allrequiredfields 2 роки тому +29

      You are absolutely dead-on. It is so blatantly fucking obvious just how massive his contribution was when he left the band. I've always said the material after he'd left sounded like they were missing a producer entirely.
      All of those wicked stacked, tertiary melodies and percussive textures that subconsciously added an immeasurable depth to the songs left a massive hole in their absence.
      Sure, if you're not a musician, it might not make sense, because the vocal melodies and basic song structures didn't change much, but in his absence, the songs felt like cars being sent out of the factory without paint or windows - they all just felt like they were missing SOMETHING.
      I actually never realized this until someone had told me he'd quit the band, years after I'd stopped listening to them. The material just wasn't nearly as good, and then I knew why.
      It's so incredibly frustrating too, because it's fucking obvious the band cannot ever be what they were without him - and I'd be first in line to see them if he was invited back... but those stupid fucking egos, always fucking everything up...

  • @saldanapete10
    @saldanapete10 3 роки тому +140

    Alan is a genius. DM was never the same after he left. Very sad. Imagine all of the great songs they would have made had he not left.

    • @dodgyg3697
      @dodgyg3697 Рік тому +6

      They did some great ones anyway.

    • @markusm6575
      @markusm6575 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@dodgyg3697Aber nur ein paar wenige. Es hätten viel mehr sein können.

    • @krysthofkonrad3260
      @krysthofkonrad3260 10 місяців тому +6

      @@dodgyg3697 No, IMO they only had successful ones. That is not the same as good or even great ones.

    • @owlmuso
      @owlmuso 9 місяців тому +5

      I agree 100%

    • @Albert-the-Astro
      @Albert-the-Astro 6 місяців тому

      I agree, they had some ok stuff after Alan. But they were never the same power house.

  • @KRAFTWERK2K6
    @KRAFTWERK2K6 4 роки тому +760

    Dave: Good Voice
    Martin: Good Lyrics
    Alan: Good Sounds
    Andrew: Good Morning

  • @maxseba
    @maxseba 3 роки тому +246

    Alan was the Depeche Mode sound. No excuses!
    He created it working hard in the recording studio.
    Every DM fan of the golden age agrees with that.

    • @dickbuffman594
      @dickbuffman594 2 роки тому +15

      Actually talked to him after a show in dallas while he was chilling waiting for the crew to empty out the venue in his tourbus....I was just walking back to where the car was parked and happened to notice this person that was talking to a few people from inside of the bus, so I went to go and see what was happening, and I swear to you it was Alan Wilder and he was just acknowledging that he knew we were out there and he thanked us for coming, he was so nice , I even asked him if I could shake his hand and he never hesitated he just simply did it while smiling right at me and it was so cool because as he shook my hand he was pulling the window back closed, I could tell he was worn out from the performance.....I was in heaven,,,,I had just actually touched Alan WILDER!!!! I haven't ever really talked about this incident because I wasn't with anyone I know personally, so I never tried to convince them that it actually happened, because I had no solid proof of any kind....but it was like 1993 or summer tour 94 don't remember which tour if it was faith and devotion or the 94

    • @alexandergrafvonrothenstein
      @alexandergrafvonrothenstein 2 роки тому +2

      So true @Massimo 🍀🙏

    • @tiagobarros5666
      @tiagobarros5666 2 роки тому +2

      Agree

    • @cr4723
      @cr4723 2 роки тому +1

      The sound came from Daniel Miller and Gareth Jones. Especially the metal workshop sound in the 80s.

  • @SK-ql3yf
    @SK-ql3yf 3 роки тому +419

    Basically, Alan was the only adult in the room. DM lost their essence when Alan left. Dear Alan, you are my favorite DM member.

    • @RichardTheBigBunny
      @RichardTheBigBunny 3 роки тому +12

      All evidence does point to that, doesn't it?

    • @marguskiis7711
      @marguskiis7711 3 роки тому

      Heavy drinking adult

    • @alcorona8143
      @alcorona8143 3 роки тому +3

      Yes,!! It's like Brian Jones to the stones

    • @beepst
      @beepst 2 роки тому +12

      Ultra and Playing The Angel are pretty solid records.

    • @1978pq
      @1978pq 2 роки тому +3

      @@beepst Yes. I ignored Playing the Angel until about a month ago. Wow. Great album. I am shocked at how much I like it and am upset I slept on it for all these years. Ultra I also like way more than I originally thought.

  • @SharLeeRV
    @SharLeeRV 2 роки тому +36

    Thumbs up if you want another Depeche Mode album with Alan Wilder (Now more than ever after Andy’s tragedy)

  • @LuckyFlesh
    @LuckyFlesh 4 роки тому +236

    Alan turned Martin's ideas into actual, World class songs.

    • @foodog777
      @foodog777 4 роки тому +12

      But Alan Wilder didn’t write the songs that make the whole world sing. Without Martin’s great songs there would be no cult of Alan Wilder.

    • @user-pn9po6bc3v
      @user-pn9po6bc3v 3 роки тому +25

      Mike Ratherson Well if Martin had been the frontman/lead singer and they didn’t have Dave they never would have gotten anywhere either. My point being that the greatness of Depeche Mode is the collaboration of Alan, Dave and Martin. Take out any of those three and the music would never have been as incredible as it was, just as it hasn’t since Alan left. Yes, of course Martin deserves the bulk of the credit if you want to get into that, as it all starts with the songwriting. No one in the world is saying they wish Martin had left instead of Alan (but I’m sure most would choose Alan over Fletch lol).

    • @AvalonTracks
      @AvalonTracks 3 роки тому +18

      @@foodog777 Just consider the last DM albums, all Gore songs, ZERO ANTHEMS. But remember the times with Alan, glorious times of unforgetable anthems that made history.

    • @foodog777
      @foodog777 3 роки тому +8

      Avalon Tracks Anthems imply massive sing along choruses which Martin wrote. There is no doubt that there would be no Depeche Mode as we know it without Martin. Dave’s frontman abilities are crucial. Alan’s arranging and production contributions were crucial at DM’s height. But Ultra has anthems that Alan had nothing to do with such as “Barrel of a Gun”, “It’s No Good”, “Home” and “Useless”. Their ability to write anthems diminished after ‘Ultra’ for sure but so did U2’s after 2004 with all their original members intact.
      It has been 25 years since Alan quit. They had a great run with Alan but Alan has done nothing of commercial significance since. If you were saying DM is no longer commercially viable hold the same standard as Alan please. Off the top of my head 2005’s “Precious” is a great anthem that Alan also had no part of. I’m not negating Alan’s stellar contribution but DM have soldiered on for 25 years successfully without him. I saw DM for the only time in 2017 and they were stellar.

    • @user-pn9po6bc3v
      @user-pn9po6bc3v 3 роки тому +10

      Mike Ratherson Recoil is dope. And if you’re about to say “what kind of mainstream success has Recoil even had?” That is not what Recoil is about- it’s Alan making NON-pop music. Also he wanted to focus on his family. To you that may mean “nothing of significance”. What a rude and needlessly venomous thing to say.

  • @RickGraham
    @RickGraham 3 роки тому +111

    As a massive fan of DM, I want to know why I love specific songs so much. Probably because of the input of Alan Wilder more than anything else.

  • @uwi2
    @uwi2 4 роки тому +550

    Martin is the brain, Dave is the voice of the band.... while Alan..... he was the soul. And will always the soul of Depeche Mode

    • @thejebusite
      @thejebusite 4 роки тому +41

      ...and Fletch is the business man that allowed them all to get rich.

    • @liquid-vinyl-audio
      @liquid-vinyl-audio 4 роки тому +5

      You think so for real ? Well.....I don´t. DM (with Alan) forever anyway ;)

    • @womba68
      @womba68 4 роки тому +7

      @@thejebusite i think you're thinking of daniel miller

    • @thejebusite
      @thejebusite 4 роки тому +15

      @@womba68 no, Daniel Miller focused on mute records, but Andy focused on Depeche Mode. You see a glimpse of that in the film 101. Andy was an accountant before he became what he is today. Without Andy, they would not have made their millions.... He is a smart guy just not very musical...

    • @womba68
      @womba68 4 роки тому +22

      @@thejebusite accountants don't make people money. they count their money for them then take a chunk of it. plus i think you're exaggerating the role of a 17/18 year old clerk straight out of college.

  • @emmalocatelli5831
    @emmalocatelli5831 4 роки тому +294

    I think since Alan Wilder's departure the band has been releasing great singles but never a truly great album. Alan Wilder was a visionary artist who was able to see all the incredible potential hidden in Martin Gore's songs. I still hope he will come back eventually as a producer although I do know it's quite unlikely.

    • @brody5211
      @brody5211 4 роки тому +7

      Do you count hole to feed as a great single !

    • @chirpywiggins5796
      @chirpywiggins5796 3 роки тому +9

      Yep the odd good single but mediocre albums and then Spirit which I thought was dreadful.

    • @Theodora-ik1xy
      @Theodora-ik1xy 3 роки тому +5

      Yes, everything is true, but "Only When I Lose Myself" is completely as if Alan was involved. ua-cam.com/video/l35XzUD8GGU/v-deo.html

    • @purrbabies6926
      @purrbabies6926 3 роки тому +8

      Maybe Alan will come back when Fletcher leaves

    • @Zontar82
      @Zontar82 3 роки тому +9

      indeed, everything after Ultra (or evenExciter) sounds dull, mediocre and amateurish

  • @TecladistadoYoutubeRivaLima
    @TecladistadoYoutubeRivaLima 3 роки тому +55

    Hello, I as a fan of Depeche Mode, I have some considerations to make on the subject. I am a professional musician, I am a keyboardist and programmer, and I had a Depeche Mode cover band in my country, and unfortunately because of the difficult logistics, I and the other members, we live in different and far-flung cities, and I couldn't go on, because the when they were going to hire us for a performance, it made it really expensive and difficult, so I decided to abandon my former bandmates. As for Alan, I can say that yes, DM's sonority changed drastically after his departure ... I usually say that there are 2 DMs, the before and after Alan Wilder. Alan was the sound wizard, a sampler expert, and he loved to stay in the studio, as he always said 'Martin left, Dave disappeared, and Andy took care of his own interests'. He even said in the documentary SOFAD, that if it were just for Martin, the songs would only have the DEMO format, and that he and Flood would stay in the studio fixing things. And yes, I would very much like Alan to return to the DM. That Somebody performance, at the Royal Albert Hall, when he came by surprise, we see there how much affection the fans still have for Alan. And recently, the DM received the recognition, of being in the Hall of Fame, and Dave thanked with affection everything that Alan did for the band, and even won the clapping (always clapping) of Andy. Do you want to know what Alan Wilder would be like at DM recently? Just look for the remix he made of In chains, and let's get the idea of ​​the density that his arrangements gave DM again, just spectacular, and of course, there is a stupid portion of DM fans, who don’t know the difference in the sound that Alan gave to the band, and don’t know the difference in the band after he left ... these, we ignore...Alan gave Martin's lyrics and Dave's voice the necessary magic and sounds that made us travel without leaving home.

  • @depechdm
    @depechdm 4 роки тому +79

    I have known this since Alan's departure. Depeche Mode's sound would never be the same without Alan. Their best albums were created under his clock and all DM's fans knew he was not being recognized enough for his work or creativity. We all noticed that in the photos and videos, he was always in the back, so the best thing he could have done was to - "Leave in Silence!"

    • @lindahandley5267
      @lindahandley5267 2 роки тому +4

      I thought about that too. You can almost see it in his face in the pics. He was putting forth so much effort and didn't feel appreciated. It's a shame it had to go that way.

  • @glezpik
    @glezpik 3 роки тому +96

    Alan the perfectionist,
    Alan the quality geek,
    Alan the architect,
    Alan the detail seeker.

  • @scotiavelo1405
    @scotiavelo1405 4 роки тому +256

    I guess he left as the Balance wasn’t right :)

    • @KRAFTWERK2K6
      @KRAFTWERK2K6 3 роки тому +11

      LOL get outa here with your blasphemous rumors! xD

    • @andrewfelcey5593
      @andrewfelcey5593 3 роки тому +2

      Boom,

    • @egregiousqueef7781
      @egregiousqueef7781 3 роки тому +3

      but his Recoil stuff is fantastic, interesting guests on each album

    • @Atombender
      @Atombender 2 роки тому +1

      Alan leaving the band was only a question of time.

  • @joealicea3744
    @joealicea3744 3 роки тому +39

    Alan Wilder gave DM its signature sound, which skyrocketed the band's popularity. DM has not been the same without Alan's input.

  • @mattidohmeier5260
    @mattidohmeier5260 4 роки тому +378

    The Sound of DM is not the same anymore since Mr. Wilder left..

    • @renspecs
      @renspecs 3 роки тому +17

      I agree. Wilder added an upbeat feel that had our souls dancing. A very poetic sound to his input. Now, it's just one dimensional, dull, repetitive. Today's DM sounds spooky and cloudy with a lot of dark moaning. Not a fan.

    • @Danimal77
      @Danimal77 3 роки тому +16

      @@renspecs Have you ever listed to the Black Celebration album? That entire album was spooky with a lot of dark moaning as you put it.

    • @renspecs
      @renspecs 3 роки тому +19

      @@Danimal77 Black Celebration is DM's greatest work if you ask me. The terms spooky and moaning are just my personal perception as far as the mood goes. Black Celebration, to me, was not spooky and moaning at all. It was very cozy. The melodies of Black Celebration take me to a warm cozy place. Like being in a cabin in the mountains wrapped in a blanket in front of a warm fire.

    • @ianabreu3360
      @ianabreu3360 3 роки тому +16

      ​@@Danimal77 are you crazy? Black Celebration is they second masterpiece and the 4th best DM album... an amazing industrial, dark wave and depressive sound from 34y ago, how can you compare all that atmosphere with albums like, playing the angel, delta machine and spirtis? The DM died with Alan departure, after SOFAD their become a totaly diferent band!

    • @Zontar82
      @Zontar82 3 роки тому +22

      indeed. Ultra is the only sans -Wilder album i still love, after that only mediocre albums

  • @ag3ntorange164
    @ag3ntorange164 2 роки тому +40

    I followed Alan and his Recoil project after he left the band. His incredible 2007 album 'subHuman' was sadly his last. He announced that he had not made any money from it. Since then I have only watched him become more bitter and disillusioned about the music business. It's incredibly sad to me that such an amazing musician has apparently given up for good. And there is still so much great music he could make for us...

    • @thomasley7178
      @thomasley7178 10 місяців тому +3

      That's one of the reasons I'm a little disappointed in him. I really liked Recoil's second album Bloodline. And frankly, I don't think the following albums, while all decent, some even great, reached that level again. Depeche Mode on the other hand proved the test of time, still running strong. I think the contrast is quite stark. And sometimes I think that Alan and all his fans are stuck in 1995. It's now almost thirty years later. DM has moved on, so should we. Wilder's impact on DM from 1982 to 1993 is obvious. But it now seems that without Gore and/or Gahan there was always something missing in Wilder's work.

    • @CoventGardenbeats
      @CoventGardenbeats 10 місяців тому +1

      @@thomasley7178I think you’re wrong about Alans fans being stuck in 1995.. You have no idea how much more music learning there’s in a Recoil album and much more from his period in D.M. Alan continues to master produce other records as well..

    • @guttersnippeesmithers3905
      @guttersnippeesmithers3905 8 місяців тому

      Where is he now ????????

    • @PetersPianoShoppe
      @PetersPianoShoppe 7 місяців тому

      @@thomasley7178 There is equally something missing in DM's work post SOFAD. It's clear the alchemy was mutually beneficial.

    • @thomasley7178
      @thomasley7178 7 місяців тому

      @@PetersPianoShoppe Oh, I'm sure post SOFAD albums would have greatly profited from Wilder's inputs. But I just don't think they lack essential DM vibes as they are. I mean Daniel Miller isn't producing their stuff either and yet they manage to put out legendary works since MFTM. If we're honest DM always had two things going for them: Martin's songs and Dave's voice and charisma. In latter years Dave even manages to come up with songs that rival Martin's. Something Alan only managed once, I think ("If you want").

  • @moemode
    @moemode 4 роки тому +203

    Since alan left , depeche wasn't the same for me. I think Ego's within depeche mode won't allow alan to return .Martin was quoted as saying about alan returning , "its something we dont talk about".. Well martin , maybe it's time you should . .Anyway , I Love his recoil project . And the work he did on the talk talk tribute album.alan is an Amazing talented genius and a gent . And is sorely missed by DM fans like myself.

    • @revacohen
      @revacohen 3 роки тому +7

      Alan himself said he didn't want to return. And since he's been out since 1995, it's no question that he won't go back.

    • @depechem0demusic
      @depechem0demusic 3 роки тому +5

      @@revacohen won’t go back yet he played with them at the royal Albert hall-I think Martin would welcome him back with open arms but Dave and the clapper fletch would block that from happening

    • @FavreianVengeance
      @FavreianVengeance 5 місяців тому

      "Egos" is s very nice way of saying greed.

  • @divnaindija24
    @divnaindija24 3 роки тому +68

    Just by hearing Alan's letter, you can feel how punctual, sensitive and classy he was and is. Also, just by seeing these pictures from 1993, you can say how Alan was unhappy and uncomfortable in the band or, better to say, in his own skin by that time. When it is turned into torture and disrespect, love isn't love anymore, and friendship isn't friendship anymore. There's no amount of money and fame that could cover it oh heal it. I love DM, and I see departure of Alan Wilder like a huge loss, that could be compared, for me at least, as Metallica loosing brilliant Cliff Burton. Alan gave some kind of space, depth and edge into the DM-sound, so I think that that's is that missing piece of the puzzle there. Anyhow, I understand and support his decision to leave. It was tough, hard and painful thing to do, but, sometimes, you just have to do it, you just need to act, to say it. And he did it in the best way possible! So, my congrats to the great gentleman and ingenious musician! Thank you Nick, so much, for the video, story and the opportunity to give comment on it! May God bless you and all the best in your future work! :)))) All my greeting for all true, real and honest DM-fans here and all over the world! Dusan!

  • @konstantinoskalessis1501
    @konstantinoskalessis1501 2 роки тому +26

    Alan was the soul of the band.. A sensitive guy, who felt like loneless. Unfortonally never had the career he could have.

  • @cdpetee
    @cdpetee 4 роки тому +90

    I admit it, I cried when i found out that Alan left the band. Wasn't happy with his decision, but I understood why and respected it. Pretty sure we've all had jobs where one person seems to handle way more than their fair share of the workload and others loaf about yet everyone gets paid the same. You can tolerate that situation only for so long before you leave.

    • @WorldInMyEyes1
      @WorldInMyEyes1  4 роки тому +18

      Yes, exactly that.... we all have a breaking point

    • @davidgahan-ks5jh
      @davidgahan-ks5jh 3 роки тому +3

      Exactly my case at work right noe

    • @sonofhibbs4425
      @sonofhibbs4425 3 роки тому +2

      Yup yup!

    • @anthonya2479
      @anthonya2479 3 роки тому +3

      Cried when he left the band? Son you got way bigger problems.

  • @nicolaetomus3712
    @nicolaetomus3712 4 роки тому +56

    Alan was the sonic architect of the real DM. So sad he left, he took his special sound with him.

  • @platetec4636
    @platetec4636 4 роки тому +62

    I fell in love with Depeche Mode in 1981 with the release of New Life and followed them ever since. Flood and Dave Bascombe have both said of Alan that He was the uncredited producer of MFTH and Violator. After the vacuum Alan left they had to have three people to not replace Alan but do his usual workload on producing/sound creation/arrangement/playing, they made Ultra in the same ways they had Violator and SOFAD but after not touring Ultra the year off took them to the Singles Tour. Enter A Keyboard player who barely looked at the sheet music, as well and not being too fused about how accurate the samples are to the originals and don't even get me started on the Drummer. When I saw them in 2017 at The Olympic Stadium, World In My Eyes had so much over drumming that it just didn't sit right with me. Alan was the soundscape artist who brought Martin's wonderful songs to not just the next level but something truly groundbreaking. Just listen to the Recoil atmospherics and you have an idea of what Alan brought to the table.

    • @qwer8907
      @qwer8907 Рік тому +1

      Seems like he done the job that eno done for u2

    • @anhl5091
      @anhl5091 9 місяців тому +1

      you are ABSOULTELY correct regarding the drummer and his overcompensating drums. feels like he wants to be front and center too often and it detracts from the live performance. I really did NOT like his drumming in some of the Enjoy the Silence live performances. OVERBEARING is the word.

  • @leonstraatman1857
    @leonstraatman1857 4 роки тому +35

    As a fan since 1983 i have to say: Alan wilder is a synth wizzard,a pure gentleman and a musical master mind....his decision to leave the band is a big loss FOREVER.🥺

  • @galenvs5060
    @galenvs5060 4 роки тому +227

    Depeche Mode without Alan is in Demo Mode. Sad but true

    • @stanislav182000
      @stanislav182000 4 роки тому +9

      He definitely made them sound powerful and epic! Their sound became lightweight after he gone, but I believe Martin wanted DM to have light weight sound.

    • @nicolaszyx3120
      @nicolaszyx3120 4 роки тому +1

      No

    • @michaelkratzke6571
      @michaelkratzke6571 4 роки тому +7

      DM Still Excist Without Alan Wilder

    • @stanislav182000
      @stanislav182000 4 роки тому +14

      @@michaelkratzke6571 of course they exist, and the they can sell out their concerts, but I still listen to their 80-s and 90-s albums, and know the lyrics of those songs by heart. But the last albums, I don't even remember the titles of the songs. Course there is nothing special. DM reached that level, when they can produce anything and people will be happy, because it is new DM album and there will be new tour. I am not against DM, it is just I miss Alan's crafthip in DM music. Alan himself without DM is left in the shade, and that's not right as well. They were good when they were together. That's my point.

    • @galenvs5060
      @galenvs5060 4 роки тому +7

      @@michaelkratzke6571 Yes, they exist, but they paid a high price

  • @jonstefanik9400
    @jonstefanik9400 2 роки тому +10

    The Trio of Depeche Mode after Alan still had success but never the same when Alan left. I don't know where Depeche Mode is going now since today we lost Fletch. Please Alan come back. At least for some tribute shows. R.I.P. Andrew Fletcher 😢💔

  • @saynomore9604
    @saynomore9604 3 роки тому +5

    We all know from our workplaces that there are always hard workers, averages and passengers in the team. Hard workers are not blind, they are aware of the situation and they can only keep working silently up to a certain level. You either recognize them proactively or they start asking for a praise themselves. The issue is that they deserve extra credit both verbally and financially. Pay rise is inevitable or they set their deadlines. Their moral character doesnt allow them to slow down and to start underperforming. They are top guys until the last minute. This is Alan, you cant change it. He will never come back because he carries more emotional memories than the rest. They were not aware of hurting him so they dont recall.

  • @pahcsva
    @pahcsva 3 роки тому +31

    Well he should feel validated now as he was listed as a member of the band for their Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction!

  • @kékédesplages-d6d
    @kékédesplages-d6d 4 роки тому +42

    I just think he waited a long time for a "thank you" he never had from the others.
    At least fans can say it.
    So if you read that comment ? Thank you Mister allan Wilder, from the botom of my heart. I will probably never meet you irl, but if i could, i would bow down to you with much respect !

    • @faithnomore101
      @faithnomore101 4 роки тому +5

      Nicolas DUBOS ill Second that. Alan was the real Deal.

  • @yippie6862
    @yippie6862 3 роки тому +79

    Andy McCluskey (from OMD) quote,
    "There was Martin who wrote the songs. There was Alan who was the musician who could really play and sort of produce, and really hold it all together. There was Dave, just shut up and sing Dave Gahan. Then there was Andy and it was like what does Andy do? Then we realized that he's kind of the manager really. When you could sneak up on him behind stage you could realize that he wasn't really playing anything on stage. We used to joke about it. You're not really playing the keyboard are you? You're the manager you're playing the cash register. You've got an accounting machine. Put your hands up and clap."

    • @etainafuzz
      @etainafuzz 3 роки тому +3

      I hadn't heard this quote before from Andy. I mean...he's not wrong :)

  • @Lam007
    @Lam007 3 роки тому +34

    Thank you Alan Wilder. Your contribution to DM's music has had immeasurable effect on so many of us fans around the world. I hope this comment finds you somewhere sometime when you need to hear it most. So many of those songs we cherish that have been touched by you will live on forever for generations to come. I take solace in this fact and celebrate you every time I listen to your music. In the end, we understand why you left. But all know that the rest of DM and the world suffer well for it.

    • @junebaby166
      @junebaby166 Рік тому +2

      Thank you for your beautiful words. I quite often think I wish Alan would read at least some of what his fans say about him in the comments sections and that he takes consolation in the love and appreciation that they bring across. And although it's unlikely that he reads comments on UA-cam I hope he knows how much he still means (and always will) to any true Depeche Mode fan. Alan will always be my favourite member of Depeche Mode and I've been somewhat heartbroken since the day he left. I hope that whatever he does with his life now makes him happy and fulfilled. Nobody deserves it more than him.

  • @Judy-1989
    @Judy-1989 Рік тому +3

    Happy 64th Wilder! 💖 Hoping this finds you truly happy & in good health. After all, you deserve the very best. Make a wish. 🌠

  • @thephoenix3155
    @thephoenix3155 3 роки тому +15

    Alan was always the best member of DM. I love his Recoil project too!

  • @jansenwilder1335
    @jansenwilder1335 4 роки тому +21

    When I heard Alan's remix version of In Chains, it blew me away during the last 2 mins of the track, that acoustic drum pattern and electro guitar made the track stand out compared with the album version. Those who heard ' In Chains ' remix will know what Alan brings into a song.

    • @ulrichschwarz110
      @ulrichschwarz110 3 роки тому +3

      Indeed. Was listening to the remix right now and I am blown away. Sounds of the universe was a shame....trivial, stupid stuff (except Come back) but Allans remix is an example how it could have been.

  • @BrianKenney
    @BrianKenney 3 роки тому +7

    I agree with this. The band never quite reached the same heights without Alan. I always thought his approach to sound design is what gave them their magic.

  • @spiffpilot2589
    @spiffpilot2589 Рік тому +4

    DM hasn’t been nearly as good since Alan left. Martin Gore is an amazing lyricist and Dave has an iconic voice, but Alan was the architect of their amazing sound - that’s evidenced by the fact that they aren’t nearly as good since.

  • @patricinha3467
    @patricinha3467 4 роки тому +180

    The real DM with Alan Wilder 🎹

  • @smiler6284
    @smiler6284 4 роки тому +66

    Fantastic insight into Alan’s departure from Depeche mode .He added something very special to the songs for the time he was in the band . Something that has been lost since he left

  • @Kamiknicks
    @Kamiknicks 2 роки тому +19

    I remember reflecting on the songscapes of DM when I was 16 and all those mysterious sounds in the back of the main soundscape. Not aware it was the work of one person: Alan. I was in awe with lyrics but transported to another world by the sounds. Only much later did i realise that Alan had been the man behind this magical engineering. Alan I salute you. RESPECT

  • @luckystriker7489
    @luckystriker7489 4 роки тому +102

    I didn't start liking DM until Alan joined. I tried to get into the Vince Clarke era but it's too bubblegum for my taste. When Alan left I sort of lost interest in the band.

    • @Danimal77
      @Danimal77 3 роки тому +6

      There was only 1 album with Vince Clarke. You make it sound like Alan joined the band years after Depeche Mode formed. They released their first album with Vince in late 1981 and Alan joined in early 1982.

    • @sonofhibbs4425
      @sonofhibbs4425 3 роки тому +4

      Bubblegum is a good way of putting it. The songs on Speak and Spell, though, that were written by Gore gave a hint of future DM. Ultra wasn’t bad, but I’ve not renewed my “fan status” since Alan left. It’s like having the recipe changed by ingredient omission on your favorite goodie... why bother? It’s not the same.

    • @maxshea4762
      @maxshea4762 3 роки тому +3

      I love Speak & Spell. It was bubble gum as fine art! Some of Erasure's music is too treacly for me, though.

    • @JassBo83
      @JassBo83 3 роки тому +5

      I'm actually in the other boat. I always knew about DM but I didn't really get into them until 2001. To me he's not missed. I like a lot of the older works but as someone who studied music production I can say that their sound has become a lot more mature and sophisticated. Not sure if it's just the times we're in or the fact that he's gone. I love their music and their history regardless.

    • @revacohen
      @revacohen 3 роки тому +3

      Same with me. He was the reason the group's music sounded so good, and that's not the case anymore. I stopped listening to him after he left.

  • @cecilewhite1897
    @cecilewhite1897 4 роки тому +69

    The genius Alan was never appreciated. I think that Dave appreciated Alan and regretted that he didn’t let him know he was more behind him.

    • @annier895
      @annier895 3 роки тому +11

      Yeah that’s too bad. Dave was too far into drugs to do anything

    • @shanebengel4497
      @shanebengel4497 3 роки тому +5

      Alan made Depeche Mode. I have listened to DM songs and you can clearly see the rise and fall of DM with him arriving and leaving. Andy blows as a member. He’s the nerd that hangs out with real musicians.

  • @Rondo2ooo
    @Rondo2ooo 3 роки тому +17

    Alan remixed a post-Alan DM song and it suddenly sounded like it should be. That moment it became evident that he was indeed the heart of their sound. The salt.

    • @plechaim
      @plechaim 2 роки тому

      Which song was that

    • @Rondo2ooo
      @Rondo2ooo 2 роки тому +3

      @@plechaim "In Chains". To me Alan's remix makes it sound like from Songs of Faith and Devotion.

  • @robcourtney1997
    @robcourtney1997 4 роки тому +36

    Alan represents a typical work environment. There are the ones who prop up the company without recognition and the shirkers get the glory.

  • @bondbug73
    @bondbug73 4 роки тому +199

    It's been seriously down hill for DM since Alan Wilder left. Comparing their output since it really shows that Fletch's clapping can't save them.

    • @rubaidaallen2764
      @rubaidaallen2764 4 роки тому +14

      Its heartbreaking to think AW is no longer in the band. I was fortunate enough to see DM when the mighty Wilder was still present. It was glorious, beautiful and stunningly gorgeous. Those 2 shows in 1993 and '94 were life changing. As much as it pains me to say this, without the maestro at the helm musically, DM are no longer a force to be reckoned with. I will always love DM but this band needs Alan Wilder to restart that magic we love so much.

    • @foodog777
      @foodog777 4 роки тому +10

      ULTRA was their last great album. U2 hasn’t written a memorable song since 2004 with all their original members. Both are basically touring great touring acts that rely on their back catalog. Every band eventually goes downhill in their creative zeitgeist. Name a band that hasn’t.

    • @sheer2waist637
      @sheer2waist637 4 роки тому +1

      Mike Ratherson COLDPLAY haven’t gone downhill they have progressed very nicely thank you, also some solo artists get better over the years...David Knopfler singer songwriter who left Dire Straits after the first 2 albums because his brother Mark was too controlling and David couldn’t get any of his songs on an album, so he went solo and has made 13 studio albums, from his 6th album the songs became more organic gone were the synths and programmed drum machines In came nice acoustic wholesome songs that shined a new sense of quality still to this day 👍😀👍

    • @PSYCH0N4VT
      @PSYCH0N4VT 4 роки тому +4

      For me, ULTRA was extremely good, I also liked Exciter and Playing the Angel but after that they just lost it, all 3 albums after that was just shallow "lets make something because we have to". Even watching their show live 2 years ago I couldn't believe how boring it was, it looked like they are bored themselves repeating the same thing all over again. Just a mechanic professional clinically precise show but with no emotion in it.

    • @trevorrandom
      @trevorrandom 4 роки тому

      Absolutely

  • @trevorrandom
    @trevorrandom 4 роки тому +40

    Image if Alan came back for a new album and a tour...

    • @EsromFF
      @EsromFF 3 роки тому +4

      Yes.......we can but dream

    • @TheSdzisuaf
      @TheSdzisuaf 3 роки тому +3

      Wouldn't want that. Would love Alan and Martin collaboration. Dave lost his voice for drugs and booze. Sorry. Not going to mention clapping dude, duh.

    • @thundergodthor6285
      @thundergodthor6285 3 роки тому +5

      Nope, it's over and he enjoys the silence

    • @bicyclist2
      @bicyclist2 3 роки тому +1

      That would be great. I like the Starbucks parody. Thanks.

  • @BrownsburgKevin
    @BrownsburgKevin 4 роки тому +32

    I was at the last show he played with the band. They played and sounded fantastic.

  • @rubaidaallen2764
    @rubaidaallen2764 4 роки тому +44

    I love your analysis of why Alan Wilder left the band. I've always thought the same things. It's so sad AW left and I hope he comes back. DM is not the same without him.

    • @lindahandley5267
      @lindahandley5267 2 роки тому +3

      They've all matured mentally and it would be great for them to sit down and have a talk. I watched a interview with Alan, as the interviewer played some clips from different artists music. When he played a couple of clips from his time in DM, I thought I caught a glimpse of regret in his eyes. It would be so wonderful if he could forgive and forget...especially with the sound they created together.😪

  • @Aesop101
    @Aesop101 2 роки тому +8

    ALAN WILDER WAS THE GENIUS BEHIND THE SUCCSS OF DEPECHE MODE ...RIP FLETCH

  • @tmax7
    @tmax7 4 роки тому +97

    Alan is a Genius!!!!

    • @t8283287
      @t8283287 4 роки тому

      No he isn't

    • @lukabarett
      @lukabarett 3 роки тому

      @@t8283287 yes he is

    • @t8283287
      @t8283287 3 роки тому +1

      @@lukabarett no he isn't.....

    • @lukabarett
      @lukabarett 3 роки тому

      @@t8283287 umm yes he is...

    • @t8283287
      @t8283287 3 роки тому +1

      @@lukabarett no he isn't

  • @michaelwhite2600
    @michaelwhite2600 3 роки тому +8

    I’m a fan from Speak and Spell to Violator only. I’m not the only fan of Depeche Mode with that time frame. For fans like me, they became darker and darker and the music didn’t just evolve, it changed. Drugs destroy everything. I can’t blame him for leaving that toxic environment. Sad. They have never been the same to me after violator. Thank you for this! I always wondered why they lost me.

    • @KuroMicra
      @KuroMicra Рік тому

      Totally get this! Alan created their sound, interpreting Martin’s lyrics. The very fact that Enjoy the Silence was transformed from a ballad to a stomping archetype of the DM sound.

  • @zibiskot5122
    @zibiskot5122 4 роки тому +9

    It’s never too late for Reunion..! Stronger together-always..! Love DM..!👍

  • @scottfree2248
    @scottfree2248 4 роки тому +53

    Alan was the fuel that allowed Depeche Mode to Rocket to incredible heights.🚀

  • @anafindlay1696
    @anafindlay1696 4 роки тому +38

    TBH I haven't bought a Depeche Mode record since Alan left, he can never be replaced because Alan was the genius behind their unique sound! I saw Depeche Mode 3 times while Alan Wilder was still in the band,The Devotion tour was outstanding!!

    • @bonorbitz
      @bonorbitz 4 роки тому +4

      That's too bad because they still make good music, though not at the level when Wilder was with them.

    • @neuromatiker
      @neuromatiker 4 роки тому +2

      As a collector I buy them all... But I never play them the ones that came after SOFAD. It was their last album in my book.

  • @3aw77
    @3aw77 4 роки тому +39

    Everything counts in large amounts

  • @richardrobertchapinii1022
    @richardrobertchapinii1022 3 роки тому +8

    During COVID, I've had this enlightenment with my favorite band. Several times a week I listen to In Your Memory, Fools, and My Joy. I've been very fortunate to see every one of their tours since 1985. I've only known DM with Alan Wilder since his contributions starting with A Broken Frame. Like a lot of people have said.He was the sound of the group. You never want to acknowledge the bad egos of your favorite group, but it always seem apparent. I was deeply sad when he left the band and feared for their future, just like everyone else. However, the band moved on. To this day, Ultra is one of my favorite releases. Even though it took more musicians to replace what Alan, himself could do. I feel the journey of Depeche Mode is coming to an end. Delta Machine and Spirit, in my opinion, didn't make a great impact. So I will say, for the final swan song of Depeche Mode's career, is to reunite with Alan and create an amazing sound that the band and true fans will feel proud of. I know that's asking a lot, but it's my pipe dream. I will never forget this band until the day I die.

  • @shahryartaherkhani5299
    @shahryartaherkhani5299 2 роки тому +8

    Excellent perspective, exellent view about Alan Wilder. He was truly an architect of Deptche Mode band in terms of sounding, creative music atmospher, his excellent taste on sound enginerring, music production, and Vocal, Keyboards.
    He was the best man for aproving the final mix & mastering knowledge before production.

  • @Becker67
    @Becker67 4 роки тому +75

    Just watched the Vimeo video after reading some remarks here as I hadn't seen it. What struck me the most was the contrast between Dave and Fletcher. Dave was very lucky to escape his own torments and shows obvious remorse about Alan's departure. Dave also highlighted the paranoia between Martin and Fletcher which he never got about their feeling Alan was 'taking over'. PmSl. Taking over!!! If it hadn't been for Alan they would never have reached the heights they did. The Fletcher comment was revealing also. He didn't want to do another album with Alan. Considering his 'abilities' whatever they may be, I thought this was the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard. If Dave hadn't been as far out of his head as he had been then maybe things could have been different. But it sounds to me that Fletcher and Gore were at him well before he decided to leave. Such a shame. I suppose I tolerated Fletcher for years really. As a keyboard player myself I know for a fact just how little Fletcher did on stage purely from observation alone. Zero respect for him now.

    • @alejandromorales8715
      @alejandromorales8715 4 роки тому +12

      I have less than respect for him. He's a disgusting parasite and it's pretty obvious he made himself indispensable for Martin and took advantage of it. Happens all the time in politics.

    • @thetedster7812
      @thetedster7812 4 роки тому +23

      I'd have loved a job share with Fletch. He's worth $60m dollars... Alan was and is an artist, an architect of sound, I can only think where his talent could have taken the group. A lovely modest and thoughtful guy from his interviews too.

    • @wattage2007
      @wattage2007 4 роки тому +14

      Indeed. If Fletch hadn't even showed up to the studio for the entire recording and mixing of an album, no one would even notice.

    • @user-pn9po6bc3v
      @user-pn9po6bc3v 4 роки тому +25

      I remember an interview, years after Alan had left, where Fletch said something about Alan and then said (paraphrasing) “I don’t think Alan even has any friends, to be honest”. It just sounded so petty and acrimonious of him and I immediately disliked him even more. Also, he’s always made the band look less cool from a purely visual standpoint. He always looked like a stiff shirted money guy and dressed like someone’s dad.

    • @jaysterling26
      @jaysterling26 4 роки тому +12

      All the replies might & probably do have some merit , but I think some key points are missing ( from what I've read).
      That is MG & Fletch were friends before the band forming. As such during internal debates Fletch would support MG. As has been said & known, his musical input has not matched that of the rest of DM and so no wonder such a situation would make AW leave . The hassle AW endured is ironic as his suggestion made 'enjoy the silence' their biggest hit ( I wonder how the royalties are shared?).
      As DM didn't have a manager Fletch took over the financial work of DM.

  • @albinak8518
    @albinak8518 2 роки тому +4

    Was a very bad mistake to let Alan leave like that 😕

  • @smooth111012
    @smooth111012 4 роки тому +35

    They are missing the great sound from mr Wilder

  • @chizmo7
    @chizmo7 2 роки тому +5

    Alan added a level of class to the band's compositions.

  • @jakubpetricek
    @jakubpetricek 3 роки тому +3

    Check interviews with Alan Wilder from late 80´s/ early 90´s. In Bong (fan club magazine) he was asked in cca 1989 what he plans to do in 10 years time. And Alan was clear as water. He said that he hoped he would be making music outside Depeche Mode. Can´t remember the exact words but he said he hoped he would make music without commercial pressure. Many times Alan said he couldn´t see himself as a pop band member by the age of 40.

  • @darbycrash1931
    @darbycrash1931 4 роки тому +8

    Wow that is an eye opening and revealing story. Good for Alan Wilder he did right. It's a shame how money seems to ruin relations.

  • @vjrei
    @vjrei 9 місяців тому +2

    Alan Wilder suffers from the same problem many people do: he expect everybody to be as elegant, professional and well mannered as him. And the reality is that they took advantage of him.

  • @FreddieFreethinking
    @FreddieFreethinking 3 роки тому +2

    Alan Wilder is a musical genius. He was The True creator of The DM sound. Greed and selfishness made him leave the band.

  • @dejanvojnic621
    @dejanvojnic621 4 роки тому +10

    I enjoy reading most of your comments.....and every on off you are right.....Alan was the balance for this group....he was always couple 100 years ahead...I hope you understand..))

  • @michal1242
    @michal1242 4 роки тому +15

    I agree 100% to you sir. Peak was before Alan left. BR Michal

  • @Judy-1989
    @Judy-1989 2 роки тому +1

    Happy 63rd Birthday Wilder! May this find you in excellent health and enjoying all the happiness that your heart truly desires. After all, you deserve the very best. Make a wish!

  • @grahamsmith594
    @grahamsmith594 2 роки тому +2

    Alan Wilder has remixed tracks for DM since leaving. He has said in other interviews that the music has lost something. On his leaving it was down to he would spend hours in the studio whilst others left as soon as they could.
    He and Dave shared a vision of getting drums more involved to produce a rockier sound, a route the band has gone.
    Would he come back? Probably not both he and the band have moved on. However now there is no Fletch maybe the vould be a reconciliation

  • @somewherecoldrecords8876
    @somewherecoldrecords8876 Рік тому +7

    Having read all the books and interviews I possibly could again in this last few years, I've come to a conclusion about Alan. Depeche Mode was great with Alan but the band showed once again they didn't need him. Ultra proved the trio were more than up to the task. It's a masterpiece of an album and anyone that thinks Depeche Mode isn't Depeche Mode without Alan is just silly.
    Honestly, toward the end of the Devotional Tour, David (the rock star trying to die like his predecessors), Martin who was clearly drowning in alcohol, and Andy (the smart one who left when his life was at risk) who was mentally struggling with depression, they were all asked if the tour should go on because they were invited to South Africa and Australia I believe. Another leg to a tour that was literally killing the band. Of course, Dave said yes because that's what rock stars do when they are deep into self-harm. Andy said absolutely not, being the gauge of the band and, while people thought Alan was the center, it was really Andy that kept things moving forward. I get tired of people bashing him because Alan made that comment. That's a whole other story. Martin was unsure and here comes Alan. He enthusiastically said yes when he clearly should have looked around and said no. He put Martin, David, and Andy in danger and Andy was the only one with a clear enough head to say that he needed a hospital, not a stage.
    As someone who was writing a book proposal on the band and taught Songs of Faith and Devotion at University, I can say that Alan definitely should stay away. He was vastly rich and yet complained not understanding that Martin was quiet and internal while Andy was his voice and connected Martin to the band. Andy also made sure the money was going to the right places. It was his job for the first part of the bands' career and while it got to big for him to handle, he continually made sure the organization surrounding the band was financially stable and the band was getting their money. Quite frankly, Alan can bunk off.
    And, what, it's been like 30 years since he's been in the band. It needs to be let go and the greatness of Ultra, Exciter, Sounds of the Universe, Delta Machine, Spirit, and Playing the Angel be acknowledged because Alan, by the time of most of these albums, was long gone in the rear view mirror.
    My more than 2 cents.

  • @Usuf-Mr
    @Usuf-Mr 4 роки тому +22

    Thank you man for this video. Alan Wilder was the soul & sound of Depeche Mode. Martin was the heart and Dave was the face.A body without a soul or heart will end up dead..

    • @WorldInMyEyes1
      @WorldInMyEyes1  4 роки тому +7

      And Fletch was..... the accountant, counting all the cash.

    • @TheSdzisuaf
      @TheSdzisuaf 3 роки тому +1

      @@WorldInMyEyes1 STEALING

  • @saladdays180s9
    @saladdays180s9 4 роки тому +2

    I have been playing around composing with synthesizers for 30yrs and do so daily because of DM, but just for my ears.
    There is a gold standard that I benchmark the patches, timbres, (soumds)I create, and it is Alan Wilders sound.
    Many thousands of synth band’s out there during that time, and all their synth sounds while certainly decent sounds they employ to write songs, they are pretty standard, even with many of the greats during that era.
    Not only did he have an ear for creating a patch, he paired them like fine wine with fine cheese (well actually, “cheese” is a better descriptor for what other bands used, the Yamaha DX-7 tones), and I have only come up with a precious handful that I have ever felt were a cut above like Alan’s stylings.

    • @saladdays180s9
      @saladdays180s9 4 роки тому

      Also, the dude they got to replace him has absolutely NO ear and his synth patches sound like they are off some consumer grade lushy and airy presets. His keyboard work is journeyman quality.

  • @cynaroofficial9509
    @cynaroofficial9509 2 роки тому +1

    I agree, you'right. After Fletch departure many fans Dream of Alan coming back. But time changes hearts and souls.

  • @CorleoneDiscoStar
    @CorleoneDiscoStar Рік тому +5

    Looking back in time... I thank God, that the Best band ever are still there... I've already bought tickets for next year's tour. But after Andy's death, I still have a feeling that Alan should come back and do, what he does Best... His brilliant brain and ears... No doubt, that he is the one who was DM's sound creator. I love DM's newer songs (Ultra +), but Alan will always be irreplacable for me.

  • @redredvelvet
    @redredvelvet 3 роки тому +14

    I’m 28 and came across Depeche Mode mostly due to my older cousins (17 y older than me) being huge fans. Playing The Angel came out when I was 12 or 13 so it’s the first album release I can remember. When I began to really pay attention to their discography and how their sound had evolved through the years, I kinda orbited towards the “Alan era” stuff and Ultra without really thinking about it or knowing much about them or their history as a band until more recently. So the fact that, after all this time, I actually preferred those albums without any kind of bias speaks volumes of Alan’s work with DM in my opinion, and honestly it makes me a bit sad I wasn’t alive back then to see it. Loved the video, thank you :)

    • @whoelsebutmeofcoursei
      @whoelsebutmeofcoursei 2 роки тому

      Cool fact xD
      I'm 24 and I've been listening to DM since I was born, thanks to my father.

  • @Judy-1989
    @Judy-1989 3 роки тому +1

    Happy 62nd A. C. Wilder! 💖 Hope this finds you in good health & you have all the happiness your heart desires. You deserve the very best.

  • @mickyfen2
    @mickyfen2 3 роки тому +2

    One hell of a drummer.

  • @MsNicemice
    @MsNicemice 4 роки тому +11

    You are just spot on😔 DM was at their peak with AW. He was the sound of DM... no one couldn’t fill his shoes, afterwards.... 😔

    • @gahan101
      @gahan101 4 роки тому

      He wasn't "the sound" of DM. He partly build their sound and did a really great job but wasn't THE major architect of it. It was maybe 50-50 between Martin and Alan(maybe 35-40%) & the producer(the rest). I aknoledge his input, his work,but let's never forget Martin brings the songs in the first place.

    • @handsolo1209
      @handsolo1209 4 роки тому +2

      @@gahan101 I am sure you would care to enlighten us to how they went from strong debut with Vince doing all the work, to pretty weak second album as a 3 piece, to a strong 3rd album with Alan there, to a reduction in quality in Ultra as a 3 piece with some of the SOFAD momentum (and I am sure a lot of work from that album re-worked) to the drizzling shits they have been in the 21st century? Martin Gore WAS a good lyricist (until he wrote about "pain" and suffering" for the 1000th time) and he had SOME good melodies that Alan did not re-work that much from the demo versions, but it is an undeniable fact that as a 4 piece with Vince, and then for most of the bands peak with Alan doing all of the arranging, synth set-up, sound programming, etc they produced some amazing work, and as a 3 piece they have a pretty much 99% garbage output. Alan Wilder was THE major architect in their overall sound and compositional techniques in his time there. Every song he worked on had layers of sounds and little things here and there, like a sound that was there for just 5 seconds in a song just to add to the depth, yet after he left it's just flat, monotonous "grunge" with almost no depth to it at all.

  • @leisiquick5298
    @leisiquick5298 3 роки тому +5

    Alan was (and still is) a really a great musician, a pro. I was hoping he could have a better career, in his solo projects (Recoil) and as a producer. He deserved much more in the second part of his artistic life. As a huge DM fan, I was truly shocked back in 1995 when he announced his decision to leave the band. I really thought this would be the end of my favorite band... but 25 years later they still rock and move me. I appreciate Dave being more involved in songwriting. I will not compare 80-90s sound with what they are doing now. World has changed, Music industry has changed, recording and producing processes are completely different nowadays. That’s life. I m grateful that my favouvrite band is still here and i still look forward to each new album of them ❤️

  • @juniorlayout936
    @juniorlayout936 3 роки тому +2

    HI...greetings from Brazil. I loved this video and his comments. I agree with each words that you say. The best DM albuns are made before Alan leave the band.

  • @MrSelgeness
    @MrSelgeness 3 роки тому +1

    Dave as the attitude is definitely the case. The visual of DM seemed to eclipse the sound after Violator.

  • @stephendiaz2033
    @stephendiaz2033 3 роки тому +3

    I agree with your assessment 100%! Violator was it for me! That album blew my freaking mind as a kid! The Violator Rose is the only tattoo of a band I have on me! I wish Alan would come back for a world tour one more time so I can see them together live!

  • @royalordinance
    @royalordinance 3 роки тому +2

    Everything Alan touched was hefty and Brilliant. Deal with it.
    Fletcher for forty years is still along for the ride. Cute.

  • @wpleary2
    @wpleary2 3 роки тому +1

    Alan Wilder...if you are reading these comments...thank you. Your music was magical. I wish you were still a part of Depeche Mode, but understand your reasons for leaving. DM has never been as good musically since you left.

  • @CRIXIIIXTV
    @CRIXIIIXTV 3 роки тому +3

    I do love the Alan years more than the rest. But things like this happen in bands. He was in the band for 13 years. 25years after he leaves we are still talking about him and what could of been. When depeche mode were inducted this year in the rock&roll hall of fame. They included both Alan and Vince. Who both are part of the history. It's great that Dmode are still kicking and pushing foward. If Alan stayed maybe the band may of fizzled out earlier. Instead he left and the Band had to rethink. Maybe the rethink saved more members from leaving or going down risky paths. You never know. But thank god Depeche mode happened. The band could of split up back in 82 when vince left.

  • @PlanetoftheDeaf
    @PlanetoftheDeaf 4 роки тому +17

    It would have been fairer (both financially and artistically) if the last 3 Alan albums (MFTM to SOFAD) had been credited with Alan as co producer rather than Depeche Mode. NONE of the subsequent albums credit DM as co producers, which confirms that it was primarily Alan in that role.

    • @YouKnowWhereYouWentWrong
      @YouKnowWhereYouWentWrong 4 роки тому +9

      You hit the nail on the head right there. The royalty rate to the producers is not insubstantial & to say those albums were co-produced by "Depeche Mode" is ludicrous. Alan co-produced those albums (starting with 'Construction Time Again' and ending with 'SOFAD' with Gareth Jones, Daniel Miller, Dave Bascombe and Flood) while the other three sat around the studio (often not even in the studio.) He was being taken advantage of, pure and simple. And other than Martin Gore, he was the only member of the band whose instrument was actually plugged in while they played live. Andy Fletcher first & foremost was Martin's best friend. He was Martin's sounding board, acting as the go-between for Martin and Alan ( Martin has described himself as averse to conflict on many occasions) and sure, he acted as de facto manager for the first 7-8 years. Then he became simply the Guy Who Claps On Stage. Like the hype man at a hip-hop show.

    • @peterboels
      @peterboels 3 роки тому +2

      @@YouKnowWhereYouWentWrong Or like Bez in Happy Mondays :-) ;-)

  • @germandimplez
    @germandimplez 3 роки тому +1

    No mention of Alan’s near death experience on 9/1/94? Truly pivotal moment. 🤷‍♀️

  • @1stMarDiv4341
    @1stMarDiv4341 Місяць тому

    Words cannot adequately describe how much Depeche Mode means to me. I was born in 1983, and my first CD at 11 was Some Great Reward. Being your typical depressed middle school kid, the album deeply resonated with me. I've seen them live four times as an adult, and as much as I still love them, they simply have not been the same since Wilder left. He really was the architect of their signature sound.

  • @luciferbox5577
    @luciferbox5577 3 роки тому +20

    I don't know if he (Alan) takes any enjoyment from it, but it's certainly true to say that DM haven't been the same since he left. Their has been a significant decline in their output, which I'm sure they would disagree with. Maybe they would say that it had been their intention to strip things back all along. Despite the fact that he was with the band for 13 years, it would appear that his contribution wasn't considered important enough by Gahan, Gore and Fletcher, whereas it was clear to everyone else that he added so much to how they sounded and which has now gone. By all accounts, he wasn't considered as an equal within the band and I'm surprised that he didn't leave sooner. Depeche Mode needed Alan Wilder and I'm sure his leaving is something that they grew to privately regret because they haven't been able to maintain the level that they were at since.

    • @pimpfnick8116
      @pimpfnick8116 2 роки тому +6

      I disagree that with you that he wasn't treated equally. The main thing is I think he feels he didn't receive enough credit for all the work that he was doing that the other guys just weren't that interested in doing. Remember for SOFAD Dave was fucked on heroin, Martin and Fletch were partying. Alan was basically co-producing the album with Flood. Martin and Dave would probably do their parts and then go out and party all night whereas Alan stayed and worked on the album all night. Then I remember reading like all the tour tapes got erased so he worked on them like for two or three days straight to get everything ready so they could continue the tour on time. That's why he says something about the distribution of the workload. I completely agree that he was a huge part of the sound and I think that's evident by how many people had to replace him every album. I wonder how many of these really good songs they've released since he left would be considered great songs If he had been able to get his hands on them?

    • @luciferbox5577
      @luciferbox5577 2 роки тому +5

      @@pimpfnick8116 It was actually Alan himself who said that he felt he wasn’t being treated as an equal in the band. I remember reading, or hearing an interview with him, where he said that it was made clear to him that Depeche Mode was Gahan, Gore and Fletcher. As you correctly say, he did a huge amount of work in the band, especially with the production of SOFAD and it seems that he was never fully appreciated. Whether they like it or not, he was responsible for giving Depeche Mode a sound and depth that they hadn’t had before or since.

    • @Antarctide
      @Antarctide Рік тому

      Dunno, several of their best songs are after 95 imo.

    • @luciferbox5577
      @luciferbox5577 Рік тому

      @@Antarctide Not many though. As Freddie Mac correctly points out, it was Wilder who made their songs come to life in the studio. It was him who added so much more depth to them.

  • @neuromatiker
    @neuromatiker 4 роки тому +7

    I wish my childhood heroes were bigger men, than they turned out to be.

  • @mohamadabdulrahim114
    @mohamadabdulrahim114 2 роки тому +1

    I want to take this opportunity to give my condolences to the Band and everyone with the passing away of Fletch. We should not dwell on that but move on. I was hoping that after the pandemic or in 2021, DM would release their next album and tour. I would be a miracle and amazing dream idea that Alan could return NOW to the band as co producer to their new material if Dave and Martin agree. He could also join in their tour with the other touring members only ( peter Gordeno and Christian Eisner), who even though are not full time members of DM but do add a lot of soul & energy in their live performances. I first saw DM in concert in 1983 at the Hammershmith Odeon in London dur in their construction time again tour with Alan present and again in 2017 during their Global spirit Tour in London at the Olympic park in London.I hope my wish would come true. Vince Clark would also be more than welcome to add his genius too especially if their made a tribute to Fletch at another concert. That would be superlative! Let’s hope and pray.

  • @koji4956
    @koji4956 Рік тому +2

    Alan Wilder is the DM SOUND . Without Alan the DM sound is not there . Alan is My Favourite Member .

  • @sterlingholobyte
    @sterlingholobyte 3 роки тому +5

    Wow! I never knew Alan did so much for the success of DM. I only hear about "Martin Gore this and Martin Gore that..."
    I don't blame him for being disenfranchised and leaving.

  • @donskiver
    @donskiver 3 роки тому +5

    I think DM has managed to release a lot of really great music after Alan left. Martin is a very talented musician, after all. But I think I'm gonna have to agree with you. The band never was quite the same without Alan.

  • @faustoalmonte5869
    @faustoalmonte5869 Рік тому +1

    Growing up in NYC First song I heard of DM was “people are people”…it was catchy. The song that really caught my attention was featured in The Show MIAMI VICE and it was “Fly on the windscreen”. Next day went to the record shop and asked the guy for the song which played during that scene and he said “oh yeah….Depeche Mode…they sing people are people”. So I began to really like DM. In the early 90’s my like for DM grew even more. But when wilder left, MTV and many were saying they were done. So when they released ULTRA in 1997 without wilder, this was the album that made me LOVE DM. I was going through an extremely difficult time in my life when I felt no one gave a shit about me and I was doing a lot of harm to myself I generally felt like I was a piece of shit. I was lucky that I was able to use headphones and listen to music at my job in the those days….I would listen to ULTRA on repeat for 8 hours. This album really helped me navigate my life during that time. To me DM demonstrated to all that they would continue without wilder and everyone saying they were done. Wilder is awesome too I love Recoil. They’ve done 6 albums since wilders departure 4 of them being good in my opinion and of those the 2 I least like are exiter and sotu. It’s gonna be interesting what they will be bringing now that fletch passed.

  • @TheDjnauj
    @TheDjnauj 3 роки тому +1

    I am Depeche Mode follower since 1983. I would like to thank you for your video, very Educational. I miss the Depeche Mode that Alan wilder used to produce music for. the DM today lacks that certain sound that we all loved.

  • @jeanje71
    @jeanje71 3 роки тому +14

    SOFAD is a master piece and it s at least 50% thanks to Alan.. this guy is a wizard of sound .
    However Martin is a better songwriter.. they were both the perfect match.

  • @shaneaverystarr
    @shaneaverystarr 3 роки тому +4

    Depeche Mode's enormous success both in popularity and in the quality of their recent music shows that they didn't "need" Alan to continue their success; however, for all anyone knows the band would have been even greater today had Alan still been in it.

  • @boffse
    @boffse 3 роки тому +1

    I read a good article when Playing the Angel dropped, it did the sordid history, childhoods - the works. One hears it in the history of depeche mode videos when they break down the albums. Vince, Fletch and Martin are BFF’s from school I Basildon . Dave was hired guns for vocals who was constantly in trouble with the wrong crowd (foreshadowing later life choices). Vince packed up and left when he figured out studio equipment could loop the tunes he had fletch and Martin playing.
    Leaving the original 3 who barely passed school and quit their shitty day jobs to be pop stars. Fletch was the account and business guy. He got the gigs, he pushed Martin to do more songs, he was the one who organised the merchandise. As much as Alan felt under appreciated musically, Fletch felt the same way about handling the business side of the band.
    And here in-lies the issue with Alan:
    He could play all the difficult bits and multiples of that. Our local Basildon boys aren’t trained musicians from a musical family. He simply outclassed the original trio to destruction.
    I love Alan, I miss him his “production” work on the band. But there was a reason why he was hired “just to play” the live set, and why Christian And Peter despite playing the live sets for over 20 years now, don’t contribute on the albums, because they don’t want another Alan Wilder. When you look at 101 or devotional your videos, Alan is doing pretty much everything, to covert the complexity of the music he crafted in the studio.
    Spin the clock several years later to delta machine and videos recorded by Fletch when he asks Martin, which bit he wants to play “live”, because Depeche has always been a performing band. The tunes are simpler, they aren’t taken to their apex by brilliant production genius, but then they don’t need said genius to reproduce that sound “live”.
    For all Alan’s amazing skill set, he can not write music. He samples, produces and polishes other people’s music. He can’t write lyrics, create decent hooks or riffs in the same Caliber as Martin. I think I might have been the guy who joked “Demo mode” when all the demos came out with songs of the universe. But Listen to the demo of walking in my shoes
    And the modern live track, compared to the studio/devotional tour. Alan brought the band to its Apex by shifting the hard work onto
    Himself as he *had* the better education *was* smarter and better musically. Even by 101 and exciter Fletch’s drinking got him into “The Priory” before people knew what that was, as he was reduced to clapping on stage from
    Music that he didn’t help create, Dave was sobbing as he was nothing more than “A dancing monkey”, and Martin was dishing out good tunes and good lyrics.
    The later albums might not have Alan’s “layered sound” (which I really do miss),
    But the band’s (mental health) has only been better, more at ease, and more focused since Alan’s departure, which in retrospect might have actually been the very thing that saved Depeche mode.
    Alan was the corrosion that tore the band apart, because Alan was a gentleman, humble, generous, kind classically trained musician who wanted to do more/better than is bandmates who in the case of Dave was literally picked up out of the gutter.

  • @manugahan1863
    @manugahan1863 4 роки тому +5

    "Devotional Tour".......Unforgettable!!!