Verity, Explained For Beginners (Salvation's Edge 4th Encounter)
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- This is a beginner-friendly guide for the 4th encounter of Salvation's Edge, Verity. I know other guides have been released, but I wanted to take a stab at it with the goal of condensing the explanations in a clear and concise manner.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Welcome to Verity
1:03 - The Start
1:49 - Inside Team (Shape Swaps)
5:00 - Outside Team (Dissection)
8:11 - The Ghosts Mechanic a.k.a. Drown In The Drip
9:41 - Release and Repeat - Ігри
This is my second time uploading this, the last time was uploaded with atrocious timing. I'm hoping now that this will be shown to more people. If you were part of the few that watched this initially - I salute you. Your words were why I decided to re-upload to begin with.
Time will tell if I will remove it again, let's hope UA-cam doesn't bury this one.
Perfect explanation of inside, but one correction on outside.
You stated that you will always see three double symbols but this is not the case. Outside has one of 3 scenarios;
- No 3d shapes are doubles
- One 3d shape is a double
- Three 3d shapes are doubles
Each has a ‘perfect’ way of solving that works 100% of the time, but to summarise;
- if none are doubles, dissect the left inside call with a statue that also contains that shape, to end up with a double on the statue, then do a second dissection of that receiving statue with the remaining inside call not yet dissected (if calls are CST, outside is CS ST TC, then dissect C left and T right to leave CC on the right, then dissect C right and S middle)
- if 1 is a double, dissect that with both other statues twice (if calls are CST, outside is CS CS TT, do T right and C left and then T right S middle)
- if all are doubles, dissect the inside calls in the exact order they are told twice over (has to be in order) and it will resolve correctly (if calls are CST, outside is CC SS TT, dissect C left and S middle, then T right and C left, then S middle and T right)
Can explain in more detail if needed, I have a full guide written.
Gotta love the algorithm.
5:36 who is that? I’m an ignoramus
Titans watching Drown In The Drip and realizing they either have to become the walking amalgamation of a junkyard and a tub of lard or become nigh-Hunter levels of Slim™.
laughs in wormgods
"There is no add clear role" - countless Guardians felt attacked by that statement. 😂
all roles are add clear, they just ALSO have to do other things.
“Now do those steps 2 more times to complete the encounter” 😭
😂😅😭😭😭
Easily the most straightforward explanation of the encounter I've seen, the diagrams are an exceptional visual aid. Also dividing the encounter into clear distinct segments helps significantly.
PS: Love your content and editing style.
Great guide! I have an easier way of doing the ghost mechanic. When “The Witness notices your efforts” appears in the chat, the players inside the rooms should run to their statues and stand next to them. This makes is so the outside players know who’s ghost they are picking up.
For example, if a player inside the room is a warlock with cenotaph on and they die next to their own statue, the outside players don’t need to look at what the ghost shell is, they can just say “I have the cenotaph warlock” and the dead players can call out where it is if they see a cenotaph warlock.
Doesn't work because the order us random and changes.
@@Bestow3000 What changes exactly that would prevent this from working in the first wipe? You stand next to your statue, which is matched inside and outside, so your ghost is next to your guardian. Before anything else, I have literally done this and cleared the encounter lol
Damn, we are blessed with another Nomad video. Amazing guide, simple and easy to understand and straight to the point.
This is the craziest idea for an encounter I’ve ever seen. What in the fuck.
Its painful
Been watching guides of this since it came out and by far the easiest to understand this one NOMAD. I knew inside but not outside. I just prayed it took me in because outside I was useless and just cleared ads. 😂
Something I've realized for the outside team to not even have to think about the shapes. You're almost replicating the 1st step of the solo team. If the call is TSC, triangles go on the left statue, until it can't take any more, squares on the middle and curcles on the right. The only catch here is to not repeat shapes
once you understand what to do the outside is actually easier than inside: triangle goes to triangle, square to square, circle to circle 😂 you need two sets of knights (4 or 6 shapes), and except you got three double shapes on start you certainly would be done before the inside team died
This just made me so mad 😂 dammit man!!! It’s so obvious once you read it!!!
Wait so if it’s TCS, kill the knight and if the knight drops a triangle put the triangle into the left statue? Then kill another knight pick up the square and put it in the middle statue etc etc? Is that really how it works? lol I might’ve been overthinking it this entire time
I’ve watched multiple raid guides, and this without a doubt is the BEST explanation of this encounter. It’s all about the wording and you do a very good job by not making it hard to follow what you mean. Clear and concise. Awesome video.
This is by far the best guide Ive seen with intentional footage shown alongside the steps properly AND A PERFECT VISUAL INFOGRAPHIC AAA
So many guides Ive seen just have dry talking with random clips in the background. Thank nomad!
This is probably the best guide I've seen - 3 mechanics (inside, outside, and drip) and with super clean graphics + narration
Thanks for the peak content king
THE best guide for the encounter so far. pls pls consider putting out guides for the rest of the encounters as well
I hope you genuinely know you are one of the best D2 creators out there. Genuinely informative, structured, and well thought out videos are rare, but thats all you make 😅
This is the best explanation I've seen yet! Please keep it up!
Thank you so much for explaining this is simple terms. Best chill video I’ve watched so far
Dude this is genuinely such an awesome explanation, definitely subbed!!!
Fantastic guide here Ascendant! I'm a sherpa in my clan and after watching a few other guides and diagrams, it was still very hard to follow. I love the segmenting of the roles you did in this guide! Also, what made me really understand the shape moving mechanics was when you said: The shape solutions on the inside, match the outside. The solution image you made is what I am going to base my teaching off of and I think this really is a simple way to tell everyone what the goal is in this encounter. Thanks a bunch!
"Drown in the Drip" i think i just coughed up a lung from laughing so hard!
This was explained really well.
I’m still on ad-clear tho
actually the best guide ive seen nice!
Absolutley helpful! Love that that this ONE encounter has brought all of the community together into WTF
Hey man, I watched many other videos - this one cracked the code. Thanks so much!
One point of clarification for outside team is that 1 person should be doing the dissecting. The other 2 do ad clear, killing knights, et.
Nice guide, Nomad! You did really well with the visual guides. I would have liked to see some mention of how to course correct if an inside guardian accidentally picks up the wrong shape.
For the unaware, if you accidentally pick up the wrong shape when on the inside, you can pick up a second shape and deposit it on any statue. The 3D shape will cancel out and reset your shape pool. You’ll have to kill another ogre, but it’s better than causing a wipe.
I’ll be sharing this with my fireteams. Good work, Nomad and team!
i like how you described the encounter, very helpful :)
This seems like an impossible LFG Nightmare to complete.
No seems, it definitely is a nightmare. I’ve had 17 LFG teams disband due to the monotonous mechanics in this raid. The combat is awesome, the mechanics just suck.
so happy this is back xD
Amazing visuals!
Didn’t see it the first time. Giving a watch now
Zubat dread! What a perfect analogy. I love it
After 8 videos, I finally get it😁
Omg please do more of these
Whoever has come up with this phase at Bungie - hats off. And also: You're sick ;)
Sharing this on my clan's discord!
This is legit Plato's Cave allegory turned into gameplay and then inflicted on the Destiny player base in some sort of mad social science/philosophy experiment. Mad props to whoever came up with this idea, and even madder props to all the people who devised the actual mechanics.
the combination of the channel icon and the simple thumbnail made me think this was a vsauce video for a second, and it says a lot that I didn't question that it was about raid mechanics
Nomad, you are a godsend. Third time really is the charm. I went to Datto for the overall gist but but it was still rather complex. I turned to Fallout who made the raid make sense but Verity was still complex (at least outside job).
So I now turn to you and outside job seems so much simpler now.
It's not that I don't understand but performing under stress.
Because the internal dialogue looks like:
"Ok, order is CTS. If 1 is C, then they need T and S."
"Ok T and S make prism"
"C currently has a a sphere"
"A sphere is C+C"
*Run off breaking down the remaining shapes to see who has what*
"Oh 3 has a T, I can take that"
*Kill knights to do dissection*
And that's just ONE swap. My brain does that for it all.
So hearing you say "Once one is done then the other two should have 1 symbol they do need and one symbol they don't"
Slices the thinking power in half because of how streamlined the thought becomes.
That whole list I wrote above just becomes 1 line (at least for *after* the first statue is done)
Best Guide! On yt
bruh you literally made this so fucking simple thank you so much
When all 5 guardians are dead, we've found it more effective to have the one guardian alive NOT grab any ghost, but to grab what people are calling out - this way they're not grabbing a random ghost hoping the person who can see it is paying attention
One thing I will add is that once you are revived from the five death part, you can still see the glowing statue, so you can grab that persons ghost and deposit it without needing a callout.
At this point verity is gonna become a whole undergrad
I feel like my smooth brain gained a single wrinkle while trying this
Holy, I like how difficult this is at first, but after some time just becomes easy through constant repeat
My strategy has finally arrived (reference to when Nomad said that on Datto's video)
Being tiled instantly by a square an a circle making a 3D cylinder might be the most petty thing iv ever been tilted by.
Watched several guides on this to try convince myself i could get through an LGF raid but this one encounter i think would be the *people mute there mics pretend to be AFK then leave* stage.
Another thing my team determined is everyone need to not have symbols flashing on their wall as well.
For example if my statue is cylindrical and I get the cyclindric object crafted to escape my room, I still can’t escape if there is a shape flashing on my wall (this just means that someone miscommunicated or dumped on the wrong statue but you can have 3 shadows flashing and it caused my team a lot of grief on our first night doing this)
If one person really understands the 3d shape and you guys aren't worried about dying too much u can have that person off themselves and revive them after the teleport like in vog and you can do that for each teleport
Last night my team would say that when they went to the inside they couldn't get their knights to spawn specifically when they were like trying to make a key. Is anyone have any ideas on why this would be happening or how to spawn the nights more reliably?
Has anyone tried making doubles inside AND outside as a means of escape.
If the goal is to just make a key that does not include the initial shape presented on each Guardian's statue, wouldn't doubles of the other shapes work?
I wanna see a verity completion with 6 identical guardians
i will be add clear
“That’s right. It goes in the square hole.” 😊
I have an issue with this encounter, and I'm unsure if it's due to a bug, or something else.
My team has made the correct shapes on the outside of the wall, we have Cylinder, prism and cone,
on the inside we had the corresponding keys, I had Cylinder, middle had prism and right had cone.
yet the wall wouldn't break and we couldn't continue.
Is there something we're missing ?
Looks like ill just learn the witness fight and just do that each week because theres no way im learning this mess. Kudos to anyone who finished this during contest.
Halloween masks are perfect for this encounter. With Fireteam power scaling, the 0 power means nothing (unless you're the leader). No one has trouble recognizing the pyramid or traveler heads 🤖
"I AM THE FIRST KNIFE THAT CARVED PURPOSE INTO BEING"
DRIP OR DROWN, GUARDIANS!
This is exactly how I try to explain dissection to new players so they can dissect better than people who think they know what they're doing lol
I've met a few people who tried to gaslight me into thinking I'm somehow wrong but I can finish dissection very fast and it's a braindead method that anyone can learn how to do without any tools or spreadsheets or cheat sheets, etc.
IM SHAAAAAAPINGGGGGG
5:32 Drewsky jumpscare lol
For drown in the drip do the guardian statues stay in the same spot throughout the encounter, or do they change each time you need to interact with them?
They change each time you interact with them. So once someone brings u ur ghost, the next time u do it ur statue will be in another spot
Good thing I kept the Festival of the Lost mask around. As long as I am not the leader, I can make my Hunter look like Pyramid Head for the who has what Ghost mechanic.
Zubat used Supersonic. It was very effective
What if inside i have the 2 shapes that match my teammates, do I just give them to the correct statues and then will I have 2 of my shape in my territory?
Correct. The first goal is to get your own two shapes, so swap them around until you do. Then deposit yours into the other statues. It's a foolproof way of distributing.
A more advanced way could be to call out just what you need, but that would require everyone being rock solid in their callouts and understanding.
I’d love to see confirmation the advanced way is possible. Provided no one on the inside started doubled up, the advanced way would mean everyone does 1-swap to reach their goal, but this doesn’t work, and I want to confirm why not.
Hi, was hoping for some clarity on this encounter. My team and I have no trouble completing this encounter, and we decided to even further optimise by completing all (but specifically the inside) jobs with minimum number of swaps. We found that even when dissecting perfectly, and all guardians holding the correct 3D shapes, we would sometimes (quite often) not be able to leave the room. The running theory is that there is some other condition that needs to be hit. (e.g. minimum number of swaps) We were not able to identify what that additional condition is. The longer method outlined above did not have an issue, but it would be nice to know the actual rules behind the mechanic.
Do you know have any info on this at all?
you might just be going too fast. The raid definitely has some bugs that need to be ironed out, so I find it's best at this early stage to just go steady instead of quickly. The normal method is fast enough if done right.
we have noticed this as well. if we go for speed and efficiency of swaps, the witness never kills the 3 inside players and it wont let the inside team go through the glass, even if everything has been done correctly. But if we match all like symbols (as nomad describes in the video) the witness will do the 3 player wipe and then it works, every time. So far we have just assumed that a certain number of swaps must happen to trigger the 3 man wipe mechanic, which is also somehow tied to passing through the glass with your shape.
Both of your starting shapes need to be swapped.
So basically the knights are postmen that got bitten by dogs too many times and now shoots anyone on sight.
The flames on pyrogale are visible by everyone. U can always see the flame 🔥😂.
Note: If you get pulled out and forgot your guardian. They’re still glowing on the pedestal while you’re alive
I think I'm dumb because I understand the inside part well enough but the outside means job my brain just won't sort it out
Dammit. Now I have to stop using my Equator shell.
It is easy. But in the heat of the encounter, I mess up with everything. I know this is just week 2, but I had some bad experiences last week trying this encounter. Like the video said, there's no place for ad clear, you CAN'T be carried. Because even if you got luck on fist run - and could just ad clear -, you'll probably be called to do the mechanic on the next rounds.
dont have any option but subscribe to this channel
5:36
No wonder this took like 7 hours to beat on day 1, you could lock me in a room for eternity and I’d die of starvation before I figure it out
Im always having problems with this encounter regardless of what i do
Commenting algorithm final shape very nice simple cool easy guide.
Edit: who flashed up when he said cone?
I think it's Drewsky.
Bungie really took their Final "shape" seriously huh
This is a cube. Can you guess which statue that goes in? That’s right it goes in the cube statue. And how about this sphere? That one, that goes in there too. Up next, a cone. Can you guess where that goes? That’s right it goes in the cube statue.
Technically one person can write out each phase and just tell ppl what to send where , since it’s based off a pattern
I’d prefer some shit like this. I was in the outside room and it was like people were fighting for shapes after killing knights, like wtf am I supposed to be doing?? Lol
There’s a lot of misinformation in this video. The method listed for inside is not the only way to do inside, it’s preferred by lfg but it’s slower and only advantage it has is no comms. The outside statues do not always hold shapes holding two identical shapes, infact it is rarer to happen than them being made of two different shapes.
Im gonna start a verity school on lfg
I’ve got a friend who didn’t know what a freaking cylinder was
you know that one subject that no matter who you talked to, you could never understand it, until that 1 teacher came and literally said the same thing as everyone else but for SOME reason it all just made sense? thats nomad for me and man i love him for it.
I dont understand the isnide stuff, first you said "goal is to get the projection shapes (the wall ones) different to the ones your guardian statue is holding" but later your statue and the projection shapes are all circle and you said this is good?
He is explaining the strat, for the strat you want to make sure all your symbols are the same , then once that’s finished you kill knights and grab the keys and put them in your teammates
Why does everyone cut and paste their runs whilst explaining. For the first outside change you cut your video and pick up 3 shapes, whilst exposing just the two you swap??? This makes it soooooo difficult to understand
Huh?
Oh that doesn't sound...too bad
"Get ready to do it 2 more times"
oh fuck
The plural of Zubat is just Zubat
5:45 is, to be a litte blunt, just plain inaccurate. The encounter is not guaranteed to start with only 3D shapes made of identical 2D shapes. (i.e. the cube/sphere/pyramid). It is possible for a statue to begin with prism, cylinder or cone as well. The method works the same, dissecting shapes from statues that contain the same shape as the 2D shapes on the inside statues, but saying that the encounter starts with cube, sphere and pyramid is just factually wrong.
bro what
I don't know if i'm stupid or this is so fcking hard to memorize.
CB and T - Circle Block and Triangle
dont google CBT
Easiest encounter in the raid once you understand it.
“Once you understand it” 😅
@@deejayy8303 the very most basic way to put it is. You need all 3 shapes at all 6 stations.
calling them zubats dates people from our age group so much. only people who know what og rock tunnel was like would give that nickname to the annoying grims lol
Tbf its most caves pre 3ds era. And also calling them zubats is so god damn accurate
Smh.. atp I think everybody knows the encounter when everything’s working perfectly.. but y is nobody discussing the bugs or the scenarios when things arnt going perfect.. like y can some teammates make a key.. when the other teammates don’t even have ogres to kill so knights can spawn..
That’s no easy at all
I’m doing a lot of replaying lmao
Cone
2 more times…? That’s it I’m just skipping this encounter all together, this takes way too long