Original Core Vs Revised Core Set - ALL key differences explained! for Arkham Horror: The Card Game
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- We took a brand new original starter set and a brand new ‘revised’ core set and put them head to head identifying 245 elements that were new or had changed. From card count to tokens to artwork to packaging and much more. Come see for yourself.
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Thank you so much. Remember watching your videos when I first got my first core set. Very informative and fun at the same time. The best channel for Arkham Horror lcg fan
Awww, thank you so much!
Thanks for the comparison! I just bought a revised core box after recently getting back into the game, and was going to give my existing core set to my son so he can have a second one for better decks. The changed art makes me rethink that, though I could always swap out cards with the art that I like, I guess. Love your videos!
Thanks for the compliment. Definitely mix and match the art you like!
The detail of this video is so impressive and enjoyable. Thanks for this.
You are welcome. Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the great video. I recently saw some people playing the newer edition and was concerned as to if i should buy it or not. I dont have to. I actually do like the older art as opposed to the newer art. The old art feels darker, which is what i feel like the game tries to emit, and with the new art, in comparison, i dont feel like it is up to the same level.
It is definitely a divisive issue.
Excellent comparison! You know exactly what I think most people would be interested in, such as the new card arts; superb slideshows there by the way!
And of course your patented humorous and highly entertaining manner of explaining stuffs! 😅 Damn tiny fonts, indeed.🤣
Thanks very much for taking the trouble to share these compliments. Glad we can help.
A couple of the choices of the revised cards confuses me, such as 'Hard Knocks' and 'Will to Survive'. The art isn't bad but doesn't have much thematic connection to the card names as the previous art.
Maybe, but all the new pieces are way better on a technical level. Holy shit, the new Baseball Bat is so much better.
My guess for the artwork change on the characters is that the women were either scared or doing something stereotypically "woman like".
While I understand some of the changes, some are strictly worse from an atmosphere perspective like Agnes' Dark Memory. It doesn't look like she's having a traumatic recall, but like she's casting a vicious spell.
Same for Wendy's Abandoned and Alone, the original really sells the despair. The new one it looks like she's not that bothered at all.
Overall they also added more women to the art, which is welcomed.
I will miss my Cat Burglary though :c
Other than that they generally made the art less creepy in some instances, like First Aid or Medical Texts.
And now I don't understand what Hard Knocks represents anymore.
The new art is a mixed bag on my end, I'll probably mix and match with the old in my collection.
All the extra Knife, Emergency Cache, and Flashlight are very useful as a genuine card back for the Parallel Investigator print-and-play (print slightly smaller only the front on thin paper then combine with perfect fit clear sleeve). Roland's Directive will take out quite a lot of them. I think when Parallel Wendy is released, remaining Knife, Emergency Cache, and Flashlight would be just enough for any need in deckbuilding.
Now that is a clever idea!
Leave it to me to start a game RIGHT as they upgrade all their products. Thanks for this!
You are welcome!
Exactly the same thing happened to me.....I am just going to keep and play all the original stuff I bought as the differences are so minimal if any to the gameplay.
As someone who is just jumping into the game with the Edges of the Earth campaign. I'm very happy they included charisma in this new corebox.
Absolutely! Mush, Sled Dogs, mush! :)
Definitely do not prefer the new investigator art.
Very good comparison review guys. Much appreciated. One thing I would mention is the plastic inlay (like the one in Marvel Champions) - if you fit the cards in snuggly the cards in the bottom corner of the partitions start having their corner edges turn in (due to insert corners being "curved") - This makes the card corners bend and so don't sit flat then in a deck when playing. Bad design in my opinion.
With vacuum forming you can't get square corners unfortunately :(
@@ArkhamChronicle I figured there was a explanation for that. Thanks. Still that's one more piece of plastic for the rubbish bin (for me anyway) :(
Thanks for the Video, I was on the fence to buy this and this helped me pull the trigger!
Glad we could help! :)
Actually gonna using old and new art just to keep variety in the deck :)
This was great. Thanks. Funny as always as well.
Awww, thank you!
Very informative, thank you!
You are most welcome! :)
Great video as always. It looks like a lot of the artwork (outside of general touch-up) that was redone reduces gore and alcohol use. I wonder if this was a move to make the game more approachable for younger audiences or if FFG was responding to complaints about the (albeit not very) adult themed artwork.
Arkham Horror is such a kid friendly theme. The gore and alcohol seemed really out of place in the setting unlike the insanity, death and creatures of horror. They are the stuff of pleasant dreams. It amazes me what people complain about. Guns good. Gore bad. Alcohol bad.
Very thorough. Great work!
Glad it was helpful! :)
Thing to note which I have noticed is that some of the weakness cards have only one copy in the revised core set and if I am not mistaken getting two original core sets would give you two copies of each weakness.
The basic weaknesses that have only one copy in revised core box is as follows: stubborn detective, mob enforcer, silver twilight acolyte, haunted, hypochondria, and psychosis.
The revised core box does come with two copies of amnesia and paranoia.
Not entirely sure why this is, but it appears to be the case. I am new to Arkham horror so perhaps there is some reason for this.
Another odd thing of mention is it does count the player aid cards (5 in total) towards the player card count, so it is more like 240 actual player cards for deck building.
You never mix weaknesses from multiple core sets.
Thank you! Very helpful!
You are most welcome!
Great video thank you. We have just started playing
One thing that I completely missed with my purchase of the revised core set was that the cards with the new art don't match their experienced counterparts included in other expansions. I was all aboard for the new art but I had to come to the conclusion that the upgraded Unexpected Courage from the Stella Clark expansion for example still featured the old art. These discrepancies really bothered me and ultimately made me purchase the old core set anyway. So if you're sensentive to art consistenty like me, you might want to think twice about getting the revised set.
That is an extremely good point!
@@ArkhamChronicle what about current reprint of all the cycles into "campaign" and "investigator"? Is art changed in Dunwich cycle to match revised core set or is it the same as old hence matching the old set?
Thanks for helping my decision making
You are most welcome!
So... with the art for Guard Dog changed... does this mean that whenever the upgraded one gets really published it will have the new art? Slight collection confusion (though I think I'll deal), but hopefully not TOO tricky to still instantly recognize an upgraded version of your first deck. This IS after all the same picture with a better-cared-for dog...
That is a good question!
Ok, here’s the deal. I have one original core set, that’s it. My wife and I gave the game a go during lockdown and decided that maybe it wasn’t for us. I was given Mansions of Madness as a gift and after several plays of that, we’ve decided to give this another go. Now, what to do! Play two player with one core and move on from there to the new Dunwich investigator and scenario sets or get the revised core set and carry on from there? Will one core then Dunwich be sufficient? You mentioned, jokingly, a new ‘nightmare mode’ and I’ve been checking around and now (after everyone, pre revised set, was saying you would new two core sets) that you’d struggle without getting the new revised set.
Probably best to just knock the whole idea on the head?
Here is our buyers guide which talks you though the options of things to buy. There are plenty of options other than more core boxes. ua-cam.com/video/VwMK2HqbBCQ/v-deo.html
Thanks for the video, laughed quite a bit! Does the insert in the revised core set fit sleeved cards comfortably?
Yes it is
Companies making card games putting them in boxes sized to hold the cards from the game seems like such a low bar, thank goodness FF is finally clearing it (I love their games in general, just been long frustrated by this).
Thanks for this!
Our pleasure! :)
The rule reference decision baffles me. It already required some work done on it due to reformatting, why the f keep it in its now 5-year old version?
Maybe they ran out of time, or probably didn't have the budget to increase the page count. Maybe spent it on all that art :)
Not surprised at the changes unfortunately, it seems that’s the way things are going. I bought the original set for the art.
"Big block in a ziploc" should be on a t-shirt
We'd buy that for a dollar! :D
Do you know if a French version of the new core set will be released ? Is it necessary to buy the core set to play the extension « To the edge of the earth » ? Thank you for your videos. I just subscribed to your channel.
Welcome friend!
There is a French Revised core set
shop.asmodee.fr/horreur-%c3%a0-arkham-jce-5-%c3%89dition-r%c3%a9vis%c3%a9e-ffgahc60?returnurl=%2fhorreur-arkham-jce%2f
And you always need at least one core set (original or revised) to play any of the expansions.
If the old set had the same cards in the investigators deck, where is the difference with the new one? Are more cards added for upgrades or something like that?
Or in the old set you didnt have enough cards to make 4 decks like in the new one?.
Hi, great video. Can you please measure Resource Tokens 3 and 5, Clue/Doom Tokens 3, investigator lead token ? I want to order the coin cases before my game arrives.
Sadly we don't have access to our Arkham Collection at the moment. If you ask on Reddit or Boardgame Geek someone will definitely be able to help you.
Good video!
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Can i just check on something now.. so does this newer edition now have 2 copies of every card. (instead of buying 2 core sets so you have x2 lucky, or X2 Beatcop,or X2 vicious Blow etc etc.. are there now simply 2 versions of everything already there for you?
Arkham Chronicle doesnt want to give their opinion and they prefer to stick to the facts... well it's a fact that the old art was way better, more misterious" and eerie than the new one. Wtf... why ??... and what to expect for all the other boxes coming ? But it's quite clear why they did that ... the long time players/collectors had no reason to buy this new boxes. Now they have one. Companies playing and exploiting fomos behaviors are shamefull. Arkham Chronicle, thanks for all your videos and hard work !
The new art is also more politically correct. Daisy isn't terrified now, she's inquisitive. Agnes isn't doing dishes (women's work) she's invoking her necklace. Skids isn't playing poker (poker's bad?) he's now got a blank stare. Maybe he needs a woman's guidance?
@@urloony It also doesn't make sense. The original Will To Survive had a man desperately clutching a mop ready to face off against some Eldritch horror, the new card has a woman driving a car...
@@stevebarnard8580 It should also be pointed out that it's a black woman driving the car (Stella Clark). My original comment is a little tongue in cheek, but we certainly do live in a new woke reality. FFG is no different than all of the other companies hopping on the band wagon. See WOTC for example. I'm sure FFG has some behind-the-scenes quota or ratio that they are trying to balance out. H.P. Lovecraft certainly carries his own, shall we say, colored past. FFG is trying to avoid that specter of injustice at all costs. All this reasoning aside, I do like their new approach to laying out a playable starter set and the end of booster packs. I would expect we will see things continue to be "rebalanced" with the re-release of old content.
MJ basically said that they did the art "just because" - they had an opportunity to make some art changes so they took it. The changes do seem to have a slight PC bias, but mostly it seems to be new art for the sake of new art. I personally dislike the new investigator look, but am ok with most of the other art changes, even though it seems someone was slacking on the job when it comes to thematically connecting the card name or theme with its art.
Also, if I understood MJ correctly, Dunwich expansion will be pure repackaging - no art or card changes. It will be interesting to see if they at least incorporate the errata.
@Chris I would say, it's rather to serve the prudish than the political correct. Agnes is still a waitress, you are putting a bit too much into that. On the other hand, the old lady on Baseball Bat was sure not an over sexualizing art work, yet it possibly did offend some people because of the décolleté, but not for PC reasons. As did the original First Aid or Medical Texts for people, who want to play a horror game with their 8-year-olds.
This is so good.
Awww, thank you!
I hope this comment will be noticed - Hi, I'm quite new to the game. I got my first core set, tho I didn't realized it's the older version. I'm solo player most of the time (my friends just don't like it, but I love AH so much). Do I need to get another older set if I want to build my card deck as a solo player? If I don't really want to buy another older version but the revised core set, would they be comparatable?
Yes
Are the "new" cards numbered 183 to 195 found in current expansions? Or are they brand new to the game? From someone who has 2 copies of the original set, it seems a hefty price tag to buy the new revised just to get these new cards....
Yes, they are reprints. If you check back in the video we list where each of them come from.
I just want that box but I’m not paying $60 for it as I already have the content. :(
Then sell the content. People will buy new tokens and alt art cards. And encounter sets.
Just buy for half the original price a used copy of the first core box.
You will have everything but the bug and less money spend.
Thank you Sir for this informative and very entertaining side by side comparison.
The new art makes me want to buy two original core sets instead now that I see the direction they take it. I am afraid the upcoming expansions will be plagued with the same politicly correct art and that might be in the end a big enough reason to look for second hand purchase of the old sets. Currently i cannot find any.
Thank you for your work you put into this.
lol excellent, thank you
You are most welcome! :)
Great video.Does the campaign includes the cards from the "return to" ?
The scenarios are unchanged apart from the new art.
Nice video do you think they will revise all the box or just the core one?
All the campaigns are being revised to use the Edge of the Earth model.
Daisy's new art is straight 🔥
It's something... :)
Not really
Is the plastic insert good for holding more expansions or just the other investigators decks?
I think you can fit an entire cicle.
@@amsfountain8792 Darn. I dont think I have that expansion :)
Hello. I'm very new to boardgames and will mostly (well most likely only) be playing solo. Which version should I get? Any advise /recommendation is much appreciated.
Thank you.
This is quite a complex game for someone unfamiliar with modern boardgames. We recommend you try before you buy or watch the official FFG tutorial to make sure this is the game for you before investing.
If you do want to try but are unsure then try and track down a second hand copy of the old core. That way you will have spent least money if you decide you don't like it.
You can always spend more money later :)
If I was to get into the game now, would you suggest 2 old sets or 1 new set?
The one revised is better value new. But you may want to by something cheap second-hand to se if you like the game.
Can I play the new Dunwich Legacy Cycle campaign box if I only have the original core set? Thanks!
You sure can and will have a great time! :)
This comes with a bag, now I don’t have to use a random crown apple royal bag.
No need to give that up! :)
@@ArkhamChronicle surprisingly not the best bag but it did its job, twice.
Oh no! They made Skids less hot again
Have they confirmed they're going to go back and re release/revise the old cycles with this new investigator box, scenario box set up? If that's true I might not even finish buying Path to Carcosa or Innsmouth and just wait until then.
They have.
Check out our in-flight report video ua-cam.com/video/41KpjiseB3w/v-deo.html
No more Goatse first aid
Oooo, harsh! :)
Question before I watch the video. Do you give a heads up before the spoilers?
Not specifically. What are you worried about? We don't detail the story or anything like that. Its just what you would see when looking through the products after purchasing them.
Are all the older packs and expansions compatable with the revised starter, or do I have to wait until the do revised copies of those, too?
All is compatible. You can start purchasing whatever you like today!
Is the campaign box the same size as the new starter box? In the pictures i have seen it looks a bit smaller.
We believe so.
hello good video I'm new to the world of Arkham horror lcg I found a box of the old core set for $12 dollars I didn't know there was a revised edition I play solo my question is the core I have is enough to play or do I need the revised edition ?
$12 is a good price to see if you like the game or not. If you don't you will have saved some cash.
I might have missed it but does this core set come with everything you need, or do I still need to buy two of them to have enough cards? I regret selling my collection last year and want to get back into the game but if I can have enough cards buying one revised core set instead of two of the original, I'm up for that.
I think at 8:39 he explains that there are enough cards now so you don't need to buy a 2nd set
Yes. The revised core set is 99% strictly better in terms of components than 2x old core set. You do get slightly less of some things in the new set vs two old sets, eg new has 20 horror tokens, while two olds gives 28. But there's plenty of components to run 4 players. There's also (probably the best addition) the new cards and (less important) 2 slightly more copies of the base neutral cards (emergency cache, knife, flashlight, all up 10 from 8) so you can have all 5 of the starter decks made up at once.
It seems ridiculous to me that someone who owns two copies of the original core set would want to buy this. Even for the most OCD completionists it seems like an excess. Now if you were conservative enough to only buy one original core set, I doubt you'll be more inclined now to buy this revised one on top. It would be 50% redundant. Clearly this is only meant for people who want to start buying Arkham now, from scratch.
Maybe people who own one or two Original core sets night want to sell them and use the money to buy a Revised core.
Are the taboo cards for the set updated ex: Dr. Milan?
Taboo cards are optional. You download them from the FFG website.
New Roland Banks and Skids O Tool art are Simply aweful compared to the Old
It is certainly a change up!
@@ArkhamChronicle exactly they are awful. Lucky to find an old copy of the game
So if I buy the new core set and have the old one can I combine the cards together?
You certainly can!
I've never played arkham horror lcg and I can buy a great package with the core set and the first complete cycle + the mythos packs ,some of the second,4 scenario packs and a storage box for a great price (150 euros). The only problem is that I've seen pretty much everybody saying that you need 2 core boxes in order to really play the game is this true in this case or all these content provides the cards that you needed from the second core set? Is that the same with the revised edition ?
It is NOT the case for the revised edition core set. A big reason they made a revised edition is because so many people were put off by having to buy multiple cores.
It's just like this person said! :)
So I have the original core set but never had the chance to play. We have a group of 4 and were always told we'd need two core sets to have a good pool of cards to start out with. Is this still true with the new core set? Can I just get the revised one and mix it with the old?
You can play four players with just the revised core or add in the old core too for more deckbuilding options.
I personally have 6 old core sets and new revised core set, just to allow different investigators to use same cards. So old and ne core together makes a lot of sense!
Question is how much more is the revised core set worth over the older version currently on sale for $23 on amazon.
Well you would need two of the older version.
@@ArkhamChronicle can u elaborate? if so then probably not worth getting the older core set
@@amayer349 The revised core contains more player cards than TWO original core sets.
As always... an excellent video. Did you notice the size of the text on the revised cards? Both the title text and the header text are slightly larger.
Did we not mention that in the video?
Great video! Why does he speak like that tho?
To get you to comment :)
you don't have a netrunner or AGoT LCG chronicle channel?
That is correct. Dead games and all that ;)
I'm glad they did this. I just bought the revised. Finally a good time to get into it.
There is never a bad time :D
@@ArkhamChronicle but some times are better than others.
Honestly, from your uptalk at the end of every sentence I can't tell if your being sarcastic or excited, but a 17 minute video in which you do it constantly is quite bothersome. good review over all though.
Why can't it be both? Assume it is both :)
How many copies are there of Charisma?
Two copies.
Have all erratas been fixed?
You mean the rulebook ones? We cover this at 3 minutes 50. Wendy's Amulet has not been updated.
The cover doesn't seem the same to me? Was it by the same artist?
I meant to ask if it's a different artist.
It is. It's just zoomed in.
Are they going to be redoing all of the previous expansions?
With Android:Netrunner, FFG released the revised core set five months before killing the game off for good...
All the campaign cycles yes.
Why they skipped adding the most relevant new terms to the new rulebook is shockingly strange! What a weird missed opportunity.
We agree. And no updates to the online versions either.
It's a core set. Putting a bunch of terms from expansions in will just confuse new players.
@@Ruskettle I agree. Why does a new player need to know about things like tarot slots and keywords like alert, which they won't encounter until they buy the respective boxes anyway?
@@scottwallbank4794 It's kind of weird and inconsistent, that they still feature the Double Arcane slot in the "Learn to Play Guide", which is currently featured in only one card from TDE, but not Tarot, which has several cards from the earlier released TCU. And the Reference Guide is for, well, reference. It would have been handy to include the important other keywords in one place.
It makes so much sense to NOT include the new keywords to RR.
It would only confuse new players as they might go through all the cards to find an example of a card with Alert.
This is a great call on FFGs side.
I had no idea Wendy was a child till just now.
That's why there is an FBI man in the box ;)
I think the new box is an improvement. Now you have 2 copies o everything, as it should be, and a decent insert. New art is welcomed too.
On the down side i dont like the 3-5 resource and clue tokens. You are not goint to use them much or you will losing time exchanging them.
I think, the bigger tokens are among the best upgrades, third only to the Chaos Tea Pot they included and of course the 2 copies per player card. "Rich Preston" or any deck build around Well Connected particular enjoys them. And there are also some scenarios with huge doom thresholds or large accumulation of clues until you spend them, where these get in handy. The time spent exchanging them is quickly saved, when you consider, how much time it would take recounting the tokens otherwise.
@@markusschmidt9260 It could be, right now I have just played the first cycles. I play two players or solitaire.
Sorry new player here, what's this tarot slot thing about??
The Circle Undone introduced a new slot type. The Tarot Slot.
Does the old and revised version of the game work with all new expansions for any particular reason? It seems like the version i bought from a target last Fall (2021) is actually the old version of the game, which leads me to wonder if they intentionally sold an obselete version of the game commercially. I have noticed that all copies of the game AND the expansion packs are now missing from target, which even makes me wonder if this change resulted in some sort of corporate issues due to returns etc. a little frustrating to see the truth about the updated box, but i see why the changes were made, playing the original as my first arkham horror game was a nightmare to sort through all the rules, and it was also very odd needing two copies of the core box to add 2 players.
It's exactly the same game
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After reed multiple opinions about of how good this game is… I have been trying to look for a reason to buy and immerse myself in this Arkham horror… but when I review the products I feel very annoyed by how FFG abuse in the cost-benefit for their clients… I believe that the first people how by one or two core boxes must be annoyed and feeling abused… Plus if this is the Revised core game… why FFG did not include at least the little content from the returned box ho increase the variety and difficulty of this campaigns… What a waste of opportunity again…
We don't feel annoyed. We got five long years of play out of our original core boxes.
Ok thank you for sharing your opinion… but if I understand correctly this box do not contain de comeback to night of the zealot products right? I mean to give variation to the scenarios right? So if we want to give some replay ability to the game we need to by them apart right?
I bought into X-Wing and then they released 2.0 which would have costed me several hundred dollars just to update my cards and keep everything legal to use. Fantasy Flight makes amazing games but they routinely do so in a way that preys on their customers imo. They don't put enough forethought into their products and end up remaking them. Or they just don't care.
@@giovannirussildi2603 it's a REVISED core set. It's not new. Why would they do that
Why is the golden rule gone?
It still appears in the Rules Reference. It looks like they didn't want to confuse new players.
It's not gone, it's still in the RR. I guess they thought its inclusion in L2P was unnecessarily confusing.
You didn't answer the question: "I am a brand new player, which should I buy?"
neither, be warned this is the crack cocaine of card games. But if you are set on ruining your life get the new one as it looks better arranged for new players, the old set had a lot of sorting cards out before you started playing, as you had to choose two characters to play (you didn't have enough cards for all the characters to play at once). If you are playing solo or with one other then this is not a problem. Also take my advice and don't take advice from random people on the internet how to live your life.
We don't. We simply give you the information so you can make up your own mind. :)
Nice video, but hard to listen to..
Nothing good is ever easy :D
Just buy 2 used first core boxes for half the original price.
Still less money than buying the new core release....duh.
Lost opportunity by reprinting cards from past cycles instead of adding new cards like they do in the Return To boxes. I've no real reason to buy the revised core the way they did it, but probably would have if they'd put all-new card instead of reprints.
Well it is intended for new players.
It's the core set. For new players
While you provided a good overview, please stop emphasising the last word in almost every sentence. It makes your videos much harder to digest,
Whatever do you MEAN? ;)
i like it :D