FFG’s New LCG Masterplan - The short version - Arkham Horror & Marvel Champions
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- Times they are a changing with FFG’s LCGs in 2025! Here is a six minute summary of their recent 43 minute Livestream. For those of us who have stuff to do :)
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I've got mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand -- I know with all the product available, keeping it all in print is hell on logistics, and on retailer shelf space. So there are very good reasons to do this.
But as someone who started playing during the pandemic and had a hell of a time tracking down scenario packs during Covid, I know how frustrating it is to hear someone say "you should play *campaign* it's the best in lot" but I CAN'T because it's out of stock everywhere. Except now, new players will hear how great Path to Carcosa is, and it will be out of print FOREVER.
And yeah, that's kinda uncool.
Maybe set up a print-on-demand or print-to-order system for retired sets, so they're still available, or something.
Thank you for getting straight to the point. Regards!
As someone who got the core sets for both games over the Christmas period, I have no idea what I am meant to do. Panic buy the old stuff or just wait for the new?
Printing off player cards is easy enough, but if rhey could find a solution for the scenarios for players new to the game it would be nice.
This totally makes sense. We can't expect older products to be printed indefinitely.
not one piece of good news from FFG...as per usual
I only got into AH around 6 months ago. I e got the revised Core, Dunwhich, Carcosa and Forgotten Age with a few standalones. Would absolutely love the Return To boxes and the rest of the collection. Now I'm feeling very rushed and im also moving house so my collection is currently in storage so I cant even play :(
I understand why they're doing it, but I'm not sure what they're doing will fix it. For people that really know the game at this point they look at a new card, do some mental juggling of the card cost vs reward and can probably rhyme off a list of other cards and combos that are better. They're running out of room to add "better" player cards to the pool that don't break the game, and if they're not "better" then what are they for?
But I also don't know why they didn't start releasing campaign-only cycles without player cards like the big-box/small-box cadence they had in some of their board-game lines. After Carcosa it felt like they could easily have got two campaign's worth of play for each investigator cycle (I know the old release format was different, but still). Surely a standalone campaign would have sold just as well as when it's paired with an investigator box?
I never though I'd say this, but I think I'd have been happy enough if they had said that this was the end. AH has been one of my favourite games of all time and the collection to date is perfect the way it is. 10 campaigns, 12 standalones (+Barkham) and, if you're into it, some fan content. These changes might breathe new life into it for a few more years, but I don't want to see it run into the ground. It's the same dilemma with TV shows that have ran out of story but still have a lot of viewers. The studio just won't let it die. We're in season 10 but FFG are going to milk it for another 5 seasons.
I think there is still room in the game for "interesting" or "fun" cards rather than better. If Arkham is a game people just want to buy more efficient cards for then there is little value in buying new cards. Of 100 new cards maybe 10 will break through on power levels.
But the game has a bright future if you like thematic decks, or trying new play styles (e.g. seeker science). Some players may look at cards and filter to find the most powerful. But there is also a lot of room in the game to play with both power and theme in mind. This style is probably actually better for the games difficulty if it's too easy for people.
guess im just gonna have to buy a nice cardstock printer
Great video, thank you
I see no reason they couldn't release a PDF of out of print release. So you can at least still play the content. They'll never get around people will just want everything
Assuming they don't do this, the reason is probably so they can reserve the right to rerelease these way down the road. Kind of like how World of Warcraft made old content inaccessible/obsolete as the years went by, but still (tried to) shut down people's private servers running old versions of the game, only to eventually release WoW Classic many years later.
Oh this reminds me of when they introduced set rotation into netrunner a few months before just killing it.
I think this news isnt as bad in Arkham compare to Marvel Champions thanks to the new release model if Arkham was still releasing in the old mytho pack model when they gonna be sunsetting stuff I would have been pissed but right now new players probably just gonna miss out on return to boxes and certain stand alone scenerios.
As someone who owns everything for Arkham I think this is healthy and exciting! It shows they care about the content they make and what it is like to be a consumer. I started buying before covid when the big box reprints were just starting and it made it easier to get in.
I don’t know. It’s easy for folks like us who own everything to say that, but if I were someone looking to get in, knowing that I won’t be able to get everything, I wouldn’t bother. And there are probably a lot of potential new players who will say the same thing. And a lack of new players is death to a card game.
I don't love this. It doesn't affect me so badly since I already have most of the AH sets, but with my experience with trying to find old oop stuff for Warhammer Underworlds it's just gonna limit what new people can even play. I get why they are doing it, but I don't love it.
I think the point is that there's such a pile of legacy stuff that THAT'S what makes it hard to get into the games. They're saying, "Rather than make everything harder and harder to reflect the incredible power of the vast pool of available cards, we'll try to keep the difficulty reasonable and at the same time design the games so they're not asking for anything more than the last couple of expansions' cards." It's an attempt to keep you from needing those OOP things.
Perfect use of video stills
This is what Magic the Gathering does all these years. I am cool with it. I think for simplicity and clarity, something like each 3 years can be a cycle meant to be played together. Then cycle out all at once. Again, as Magic is.
Appreciate the summary! I struggle to keep up with it all now, so think this new model is not a bad thing (she says whilst going to hunt down old products due to completionist tendencies....)
All I heard was Arkham will keep Arkham-ing and I couldn't be happier (except maybe if they did something with the board game...)
I understand these changes and I (mostly) like them! I think they're going to be really good from a design and gameplay viewpoint - I just hope the Arkham investigator and campaign expansions that are repackages of mythos packs don't go out of print before I have a chance to collect the ones I'm missing, lol. And because I noticed that LOTR is listed at the top of the FFG article announcing this change, I wonder what changes (if any) extend to LOTR now that they've announced that they are done repackaging LOTR expansions?