Dick Hyman was right when he said Mr. Morton was playing an entire New Orleans jazz band on the piano. I hear the clarinet all over the place, and trumpet, and even the roar is just like a tuba player would play it.
This is the best recording of the piece ever. Nothing can change my mind about that. I got a transcription of the piece too and since then it’s always been one of my favourites to play and my most popular when I perform
He didn’t really keep time with any of his recordings though. You’ll notice the tempo for pretty much all his recordings ends up quite a bit faster by the end
Some people dislike this truly OUTSTANDING performance. It would be interesting to know WHY they dislike it. (And good old Jelly Roll, please forgive them.)
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Anyone can upload to UA-cam. Sad though that some corporation is able to make money on the back of an incomparable artist (who died in poverty) by "monetising" a track that went out of copyright a decade ago....
Tiger Rag is a collection of themes relating to a series of danses generally by the Creoles de Couleur. There is an example of how the original may have evolved in a tune known as la Praline
Swing was not his forte, but he was really laying down some good old funk here. This might be the best thing I've ever heard him play. It was interesting and fun from start to finish.
This isn’t swing at all. He never did play any swing. I’m sure if he did he would have been able to compete with all the best swing musicians of the time but he never played anything other than what he wanted to
@dylan-kerry I know it's not swing or swinging. I've already said that. And if you know of anything he did that swung as good as the Basie band playing Jumping at the woodside, or Charlie Christian playing flying home or Herbie Hancock's solo on Toys, I'd love to know about it.
@@exapplerrelppaxe7952 Well all his recordings swung. They where not the swing style. Stuff like the Black Bottom Stomp or Steamboat Stomp where some exciting numbers if that’s what it is you want. He never recorded with a large orchestra like a swing band thought he made the bands he recorded with sound larger than any swing band I’ve heard
+MrValovinorovich Im with you there. I love his version. That beginning, the first 30seconds, i spent 10mins running it back after the first full listen....Damn
II faut dire que Jelly Roll Morton est un excellent interprète. Il fait lui même aussi des compositions qui sont vraiment de véritables petits chefs d’œuvre.
Tatums performances where about showing off with the virtuoso runs all over the piano. I would say Jelly Roll plays the piece more musically but Tatums solo has got to be the most difficult piece of jazz piano ever. Jelly Rolls will always be my favourite though
Yes that’s pretty much as it was. Tatums performance js more impressive to musicians but to the average person nowadays, a lot would be more impressed by Jelly Rolls
bättre sänt än aldrig! Lars O'Månsson, Bengan Wittström (?) m fl när natten föll på i radio - det sjunkna Atlantis för mig pangchis... Hold That Tiger!
It was written in 1917 by thé New Orleans rhythm Kings, a band from Chicago (not New O.) But it was a rather famous thème everyone was playing it's own manner. NORKings recorded it and signed their version, so did Jerry Roll Morton. And a few others too. It was différent variations of an old french dance.
@@lemokolyonIt probably wasn’t written by the ODJB. They where proven to have stolen some of their music, such ad the trio of the ODJB one-step being the trip of That Teasin’ Rag so I doubt it was them that originally played this piece
Jelly Roll Morton quotes the lyrics written circa 1931 by Harry DaCosta. "Tiger Rag" did not have lyrics. So Morton is quoting the lyrics by DaCosta copyrighted in 1931. The second segment you spliced together to create your "fantasy" record is after 1932 because DaCosta did not write the lyrics yet. The DaCosta lyrics are: "Hold that tiger! Where's that tiger! Hold that tiger!" The Mills Brothers had a monster hit with the song in 1932. Les Paul and Mary Ford also had a no. 2 hit in 1952 with the DaCosta lyrics and the Nick LaRocca music written and copyrighted in 1917. Morton is clearly playing the Mills Brothers 1932 version with the DaCosta lyrics: "Hold that tiger!" The music doesn't sound anything like the Original Dixieland Jazz Band version from 1917, either in the first or second segment, with the exception of the "Hold that tiger!" segment which is from 1932. No one ever seriously questioned Nick LaRocca's authorship in almost 100 years. In that time the song became the most covered and most famous jazz composition. Louis Armstrong recorded it. Duke Ellington recorded it. Glenn Miller recorded it. Benny Goodman recorded. All the jazz greats recorded it. And they all acknowledged that Nick LaRocca wrote it. Jelly Roll Morton is full of crap if he claimed he wrote it. But I don't think he ever did. It is all these music "experts" and jazz "historians" that invented all that bullcrap. As greedy as these bastards are, if Nick LaRocca did not write it, you know they would have brought all these lawsuits challenging his authorship. But no one ever did. Morton never did. That is because it is all crap.
I don't think either of them wrote it, the old time New Orleans musicians all claimed that the tune went WAY back, I.E. before 1917. I should add that Harry Da Costa is one of my favorite composers, have you heard his "Bunny Hug Rag"? Also, he composed about three dozen good songs.
It was first recorded and released by New Orleans rhythm Kings in 1917. But as the theme is an old french dance, many people had their own version. And it was played many différent ways, everywhere.
Ory never claimed it. It tends to be credited to Nick La Rocca and Larry Shields of the Original Dixieland Jazz Band because they were the first to record it, in 1917, but it's much older than that.
Foot tapping - it's not a commercial studio recording, but was made by Alan Lomax on a portable disc-cutter May to July 1938 in the Library of Congress. It's part of a large set of records with Morton talking and playing various pieces - they were originally issued as a set of 78s on the Circle label, then issued many years ago on the Australian Swaggie LP label: I don't know if they've ever been available since. Even further back Riverside iasued an LP of musical extracts, some at the wrong speed.
This recording is JAZZ. Not ragtime. Not stride. Ragtime is great but is generally pattern-based in the improvisations as heard in the various recordings and piano rolls of the great ragtime pianists. Jazz is about creating an entirely new melody to substitute for the original melody. Both styles could have a good degree of improvisation, depending upon the artist. Some of the ragtime pianists even swung their eighth notes. The degree of this varied as to the performer as each artist was different. Ragtime started out as a vocal and banjo music (we believe) and while that certainly continued, and the vocal element was very important, it was quickly picked up by string bands, orchestras, pianists and brass bands, etc. Jazz of course was played by these instruments and sung, and also played on piano. Here Jelly Roll Morton is playing jazz on piano. I define 'stride piano' as a kind of ragtime in being pattern-based, although some of the stride pianists were capable of fantastic linear jazz improvisations as well. It depended upon the pianist. Basically, 'stride piano' is the Luckey Roberts / James P. Johnson style of playing. The closer you get to them, the more you are playing 'stride piano'; the further away you get from their styles, the less you are playing it. Other greats like Willie the Lion, Donald Lambert etc all had their own styles but were still undisputably influenced to some degree by the Luckey Roberts / James P. Johnson style.
This is not ragtime. Jelly is his own genre! He is the man who invented jazz, or so he boasted. Anyone who can play like this can say anything he likes!
I call it jazz, due to what he's playing in the right hand, and the overall form and content of his improvisations. His right hand sounds like a horn, and he's making up a new melody over the old one. If that isn't jazz, I don't know what is.
What? You’re average swing band with 20 members who sound like 3? Jelly Roll can make more noise with this piano than Goodmans band made with that whole orchestra
Dick Hyman was right when he said Mr. Morton was playing an entire New Orleans jazz band on the piano. I hear the clarinet all over the place, and trumpet, and even the roar is just like a tuba player would play it.
You cannot play jazz piano without imitating a band.
I never truly understood what he meant until I heard this recording
A genuine classic by the immortal Jelly Roll Morton! Twenty-two fools gave this gem thumbs down. Sad!
Why would you care? Why would you even notice? Why would you want to know? What's your problem? You're enjoying it aren't you? What more do you want?
@@wertherquartett I was stating my opinion. If you can't accept it, that's your problem, not mine.
Some misclick i guess.. wrong button..
@@alanbobe-velez9716 Bingo
Their LOSS!
When I had my first paid job I bought a Jelly Roll Morton everey payday Friday. I was all of 16.
Still have them all.
A genius
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What a great idea.
This is the best recording of the piece ever. Nothing can change my mind about that. I got a transcription of the piece too and since then it’s always been one of my favourites to play and my most popular when I perform
The acoustics on these early recordings gives them an additional resonance.
It's not that early. It's right before Morton's death.
@@grayforester 1938 is pretty early considering that phonographs were only invented 40 years before
@@grayforesterIt’s still rather early. 86 years ago now
The man was a walking metronome. Incredible
He didn’t really keep time with any of his recordings though. You’ll notice the tempo for pretty much all his recordings ends up quite a bit faster by the end
Some people dislike this truly OUTSTANDING performance. It would be interesting to know WHY they dislike it. (And good old Jelly Roll, please forgive them.)
I'll try.
@@jellyrollmorton2051 lol
I’d rather spend my time pondering positive things rather than dwell on on negatives, especially other people’s problems
You should have to justify a thumbs down at times like this.
Same reason a lot of people disliked Glenn Gould
Go Jelly Roll !!! He was amazing!
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Love the sound. You can hear his foot-stomping, the piano's echo and everything in between!
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@@orsemcore Thanks xD
Splendid Post ! Jelly Roll Morton didn't play the Piano he 'Flew It'
If anybody knew how to play this song, it was Mr. Morton, having been born and raised in New Orleans, after all, and a Creole.
1:37 perfection. Picturing Jelly Roll playing with elbows
Jelly Roll..what else? simply great!
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Excellent that this recording made it to UA-cam! I have heard it several dozens of years ago and remember particularly 1:45 🤣🐅
Anyone can upload to UA-cam. Sad though that some corporation is able to make money on the back of an incomparable artist (who died in poverty) by "monetising" a track that went out of copyright a decade ago....
Tiger Rag is a collection of themes relating to a series of danses generally by the Creoles de Couleur. There is an example of how the original may have evolved in a tune known as la Praline
He could sure bring it
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Swing was not his forte, but he was really laying down some good old funk here. This might be the best thing I've ever heard him play. It was interesting and fun from start to finish.
This isn’t swing at all. He never did play any swing. I’m sure if he did he would have been able to compete with all the best swing musicians of the time but he never played anything other than what he wanted to
@dylan-kerry I know it's not swing or swinging. I've already said that. And if you know of anything he did that swung as good as the Basie band playing Jumping at the woodside, or Charlie Christian playing flying home or Herbie Hancock's solo on Toys, I'd love to know about it.
@@exapplerrelppaxe7952 Well all his recordings swung. They where not the swing style. Stuff like the Black Bottom Stomp or Steamboat Stomp where some exciting numbers if that’s what it is you want. He never recorded with a large orchestra like a swing band thought he made the bands he recorded with sound larger than any swing band I’ve heard
Play it Jelly! Yeah!
okay!
+Jelly Roll Morton TTGIS IS SO FUNNY
Best version of Tiger Rag, in my opinion
+MrValovinorovich Im with you there. I love his version. That beginning, the first 30seconds, i spent 10mins running it back after the first full listen....Damn
By far.
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didn't he WRITE it? and yet it was featured in that "Chicago" hit movie (that I dreaded).... yes this is by far the best version.
II faut dire que Jelly Roll Morton est un excellent interprète. Il fait lui même aussi des compositions qui sont vraiment de véritables petits chefs d’œuvre.
Beast. Proper beast. I also agree this is less garish than Tatum's version...Ferd was a man of taste...
Tatums performances where about showing off with the virtuoso runs all over the piano. I would say Jelly Roll plays the piece more musically but Tatums solo has got to be the most difficult piece of jazz piano ever. Jelly Rolls will always be my favourite though
Splendid!!!
Great Rolls!!!!!!
Guys help i listened to this and cant stop slipping on banana peels
Did you ever make it off the banana peels?
If not, here's another 🍌
streaming ha....this is music
The best.
That damn "Hold that tiger!" screws up the recording like a splattered horse fly on a perfectly clean window...
Good shit
Indeed
IMMENSE JELLY ROLL............................
Sublime.
Notice that he does the tiger roar with his left forearm and elbow.
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ve been sliding my elbow down the piano for years and it tends to hurt with the heavy keys mine has
For me personally this is musically more satisfying than the later Tatum version but not as flashy.
Art Tatum's Tiger Rag was amazing,Jelly Roll's was funny,and Liberace's is red hot.All three of these guys deserve great credit for their work.
This one sounds cool, but in my opinion, Tatum's 1933 version was FIRE!!
Morton is far superior to Tatum as artist.
@@You-TooberTatum is all about the flashy playing. Morton was much more musical
Yes that’s pretty much as it was. Tatums performance js more impressive to musicians but to the average person nowadays, a lot would be more impressed by Jelly Rolls
Straordinario!
upload Jelly's piano solo of Kansas City Stomp.
hold that tiger!
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0:59 - playback speed (rate) varies with time :) Soooo authentic.
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Jelly roll was alive when Art Tatum played the end all and be all version of the tiger rag. I wonder what he thought of art tatum.
This is the end all be all version, and the first.
@@jellyrollmorton2051 I respectfully disagree. Tatum's tiger rag has more virtuosity, and more complex harmonic thought.
@@XplusX12345678 Tatum is noise
@@jellyrollmorton2051 it doesn't sound like noise to me. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
@@XplusX12345678 I invented Jazz, Tatum does not understand it.
Is that Jelly Roll saying, "hold that tiger?"
Yes, it is.
MHCHS approves
In which year did he compose this song? Is it part of the New Orleans Jazz?
I guess it was the 20s or 30s. not sure about if it was the new orleans jazz tho. I just came across it from buster keaton
It was written in 1917 by thé New Orleans rhythm Kings, a band from Chicago (not New O.)
But it was a rather famous thème everyone was playing it's own manner.
NORKings recorded it and signed their version, so did Jerry Roll Morton. And a few others too.
It was différent variations of an old french dance.
@@lemokolyonIt probably wasn’t written by the ODJB. They where proven to have stolen some of their music, such ad the trio of the ODJB one-step being the trip of That Teasin’ Rag so I doubt it was them that originally played this piece
upbeat the master roll!
Jelly Roll Morton quotes the lyrics written circa 1931 by Harry DaCosta. "Tiger Rag" did not have lyrics. So Morton is quoting the lyrics by DaCosta copyrighted in 1931. The second segment you spliced together to create your "fantasy" record is after 1932 because DaCosta did not write the lyrics yet. The DaCosta lyrics are: "Hold that tiger! Where's that tiger! Hold that tiger!" The Mills Brothers had a monster hit with the song in 1932. Les Paul and Mary Ford also had a no. 2 hit in 1952 with the DaCosta lyrics and the Nick LaRocca music written and copyrighted in 1917. Morton is clearly playing the Mills Brothers 1932 version with the DaCosta lyrics: "Hold that tiger!" The music doesn't sound anything like the Original Dixieland Jazz Band version from 1917, either in the first or second segment, with the exception of the "Hold that tiger!" segment which is from 1932. No one ever seriously questioned Nick LaRocca's authorship in almost 100 years. In that time the song became the most covered and most famous jazz composition. Louis Armstrong recorded it. Duke Ellington recorded it. Glenn Miller recorded it. Benny Goodman recorded. All the jazz greats recorded it. And they all acknowledged that Nick LaRocca wrote it. Jelly Roll Morton is full of crap if he claimed he wrote it. But I don't think he ever did. It is all these music "experts" and jazz "historians" that invented all that bullcrap. As greedy as these bastards are, if Nick LaRocca did not write it, you know they would have brought all these lawsuits challenging his authorship. But no one ever did. Morton never did. That is because it is all crap.
I don't think either of them wrote it, the old time New Orleans musicians all claimed that the tune went WAY back, I.E. before 1917.
I should add that Harry Da Costa is one of my favorite composers, have you heard his "Bunny Hug Rag"? Also, he composed about three dozen good songs.
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when was it released ?
My guess is 1920-1930
My Jazz history book says that Morton recorded the Tiger Rag for Library of Congress in spring 1938.
Deborah Simons recorded in 1938.. released to the public in the 90's
It was first recorded and released by New Orleans rhythm Kings in 1917. But as the theme is an old french dance, many people had their own version. And it was played many différent ways, everywhere.
Does anyone know what this phrase means: Hold That Tiger.
Nonsense lyrics written for the song version of the tune in 1931.
It was said to come from poker where it would mean to go all in without any good cards as far as I remember.
@@dylan-kerry Thanks!
Did not Kid Orey write this song. Why is there no mention of the author ... jelly did not write it thanks...
Ory never claimed it. It tends to be credited to Nick La Rocca and Larry Shields of the Original Dixieland Jazz Band because they were the first to record it, in 1917, but it's much older than that.
What does tiger really means?
what is the sound in the background? foot tapping? metronome?
jelly was famous for tapping his foot
Foot tapping - it's not a commercial studio recording, but was made by Alan Lomax on a portable disc-cutter May to July 1938 in the Library of Congress. It's part of a large set of records with Morton talking and playing various pieces - they were originally issued as a set of 78s on the Circle label, then issued many years ago on the Australian Swaggie LP label: I don't know if they've ever been available since. Even further back Riverside iasued an LP of musical extracts, some at the wrong speed.
Interesting.. :0
2:09 b flat solo part
what about it?
@@Tuckerqm for my instrumental practice. I play clarinet so I need to get ideas from the solo part.
what type of music they call , tiger rag??
+Belgin uğursu Ragtime
+Belgin uğursu Stride
it's actually a "stomp" which is like ragtime but it's a 4 beat rather than a 2 beat
This recording is JAZZ. Not ragtime. Not stride. Ragtime is great but is generally pattern-based in the improvisations as heard in the various recordings and piano rolls of the great ragtime pianists. Jazz is about creating an entirely new melody to substitute for the original melody. Both styles could have a good degree of improvisation, depending upon the artist. Some of the ragtime pianists even swung their eighth notes. The degree of this varied as to the performer as each artist was different. Ragtime started out as a vocal and banjo music (we believe) and while that certainly continued, and the vocal element was very important, it was quickly picked up by string bands, orchestras, pianists and brass bands, etc. Jazz of course was played by these instruments and sung, and also played on piano. Here Jelly Roll Morton is playing jazz on piano. I define 'stride piano' as a kind of ragtime in being pattern-based, although some of the stride pianists were capable of fantastic linear jazz improvisations as well. It depended upon the pianist. Basically, 'stride piano' is the Luckey Roberts / James P. Johnson style of playing. The closer you get to them, the more you are playing 'stride piano'; the further away you get from their styles, the less you are playing it. Other greats like Willie the Lion, Donald Lambert etc all had their own styles but were still undisputably influenced to some degree by the Luckey Roberts / James P. Johnson style.
@@kenzomatic2215It’s clearly a two beat piece with the foot tapping, something most people don’t seem to notice when transcribing the piece
1:25
what genre is it?
ragtime
This is not ragtime. Jelly is his own genre! He is the man who invented jazz, or so he boasted. Anyone who can play like this can say anything he likes!
"tiger rag"
rag
I call it jazz, due to what he's playing in the right hand, and the overall form and content of his improvisations. His right hand sounds like a horn, and he's making up a new melody over the old one. If that isn't jazz, I don't know what is.
this isn't the tiger rag?
It is.
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The best version of Tiger Rag is unquestionably by Benny Goodman. Be prepared to be blown away.
Yeah...No.
What? You’re average swing band with 20 members who sound like 3? Jelly Roll can make more noise with this piano than Goodmans band made with that whole orchestra