Home Siding - LP Expert Finish SmartSide Review. Wood vs. Fiber Cement.
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2020
- The Smith House Co. Bellville Farmhouse has just finished getting sided with LP SmartSide with the new Expert Finish Option. In this episode, Jordan walks us through the advantages of the new shiplap edge treatment and the factory applied finish from LP.
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Though there's obvious bias for the LP product line I can see some benefits and some down sides with their materials.
Great job on the project I'm glad everything worked out. Keep up the hard work!
I have DiamondKote factory finished LP Smartside on my house. Installed every piece of it myself. It was a wonderful product to work with. That stuff is tougher than woodpecker lips. Keep up the great content Jordan. I thought you might appreciate some feedback from someone who's actually used it and sells it for a living.
Absolutely! Thanks for the comment! It's always great to hear success stories from people who have lived with it for a few years.
Used LP Smart Siding for DIY porch enclosure project & agree with every feature mentioned. Easy to work with, super easy to paint, and overlap edges make expert alignment simple. Very happy with finished DIY install - looks pro 👍
Your intro was awesome btw :)
Nooooooooooooo don't feed into that 😁
I prefer to install the LP because of the dust from the fiber cement
I would like to see you do a real test on water leakage with LP smart siding.
I’d like to see you test the water leakage in between the boards and the metal flashing in between.
It would be great if you could test the joints of the siding and show us there’s no water that stays there stuck over time or in certain climate zones- snow flakes, hale...trapped inside.
If indeed the water does slide off completely regardless of climate zone then LP smart siding is a good choice.
Great video. Instead of the galvanized bib you can use color matching aluminum. Looks much better and performs the same. I too am a huge fan of LP Smartsiding.
Hello Jordan, how are you planning to finish the porch ceiling? Does LP have any traditional looking ceiling/ soffit products? Or any other recommendations would be appreciated! Keep up the good work!
Does LP make it in shiplap? Look for a good sideing for my home in Tennessee thanks
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seement.. love it!
I've got some of the trim board I've cut up for a test. I cut nine pieces. Three are primed with unpainted cut ends. Three had the cut edges sprayed with enamel paint. Three were painted on the cut edge and face with water-based PPG Breakthrough 250. One of each is in a bucket of water. One of each is laid unpainted side down on concrete, and the last set is leaning against a concrete block wall so it can go through wetting and drying cycles. Time will tell. We're in coastal South Louisiana, so if this stuff survives our climate, it'll handle anything.
how did it com out?
How's it looking after a year?
I have owned 3 homes now with HB and it has never cracked. Two in British Columbia and one in southern Alberta where I live now. So how doe SS stand up to HB when it comes to termites, water ingress, rot & fire. I know the answers just want some input on that. Thanks for the video.
Even though the substrate appears to be flake board, shouldn't the back be primed by LP before installation? Wouldn't that extend the paint longevity?
What is the price difference between the two?
Jordan, Does pre-finished really save you money in the long run vs finishing it on-site? also which will hold paint longer? Hardi or Smart siding?
In my experience as a Siding professional it is very clear Hardi prefinish is just as good a painting on site. The same cant be said for others pre finished siding
Can you use the aluminum flashing around windows and doors instead of or in addition to caulking?
Yes.
I am giving it some thought...but I want a 3 1/2 exposure.
Hey Jordan. You mentioned that your supplier does the engineering on all your LP homes. So do they ship the lumber pre cut to the correct length, etc? I mean if you didn’t have a saw on site while framing, that would be a huge time saver and money saver! Is that possible?
Some people like to install LP over Hardi siding because its "easier" but as a business owner and someone who covers the warranty of a siding project there is nothing that lasts longer and is more durable than James Hardie lap siding. When it comes to pre-finished siding Hardi by far is an industry leader, their paint is like armor.
Couldn't be more wrong. The durability on the SmartSide blows Hardie FiberCement away.
The lack of coursing to meet sills and heads of windows and doors is an affront to the tradition of skilled house building. It all began with aluminum siding in the '50s. I'll stick with beveled clapboards until LP improves their faking.
The need to seal the cut edges of the Smartside is a concern. How effectively will a coat of primer or paint hold up over time?
Where can I find the floor plan and pictures for that house?
I've installed both products and I heard allot about the LP product and not much about the fiber cement, I think there are strong arguments for both products
So where are you getting your LP siding? I know they are supplying it to you so you are probably getting it direct from factory. I live in the Houston area and have this siding on my house and need to replace some trim boards. The local home depot and lowes don't have it. thanks as always
Go check out McCoy's. It will be special ordered but they can get it. BMC will also be able to get you SmartSide, but they are more set up for large builders instead of individual homeowners.
@@JordanSmithBuilds Thank you for getting back to me.
I think I'll wait a while to see how this holds up. I'm still having a hard time getting behind an osb siding. Maybe it's just because I'm used to the poor quality osb that feel apart when it got wet from 25 years ago
Cole Spolaric OSB based sidings originally came out late 1988 . I used it on many houses for 3 years until they took it off the market to redo glue and press procedures to come up with premium OSB products. My point though Is that none of those houses I built back then have any rot., swelling problems, it was a good product if kept 1 foot off grade, All siding should be installed according to best practices And the new smart side as well as hardy board siding are no different. I’ve seen fiber cement rot from bad flashing etc.. . In my opinion smart side is better because of the strength factor. Plus I don’t want lung disease from cutting fiber cement board.
I understand your reluctance to the stranded siding, but LP uses resins that hold up to the elements and also has compounds to prevent mildew, fungi, etc.
Way stronger than fiber cement takes paint better too.
Technology is providing some incredible products, check out the OSB sub-flooring!
I definitely recommend you giving it a shot!
I have a piece of LP I have left outside now unprotected, sitting on grade, for two years now. I'm in the slow process of putting LP on my own home and wanted to see for myself how it held up. I just checked it with our recent melt off and it's looking fine. Very surprising to me.
Can you show us the manufacturers recommended installation instructions?
go to the LP site
i would like to see the inside corner detail with that siding shown in detail...
I always put a full 1x1 in the corner and siding butts to it same as outside corners.
I really appreciate the LP siding because I’m still profiting from replacing all the failed LP siding material from the 90’s. Why side a house once when you can do it twice. Seriously, here in the rainy NW I’m still not convinced an OSB siding can live up to the promises. Time will tell.
Amen!
Because a fiber cement that gets wet and turns into mush is better lmao!
You're profiting off poorly installed product, not poor product.
You are probably referring to their first generation of siding called InnerSeal that failed. They paid handsomely on a class-action lawsuit on that one. But to their credit, they knew they had something here and went back to the drawing board and got it right
My understanding is LP will not warranty this product if it's installed in a rainy climate like the NW.
In the past I’ve seen trouble with getting SW to perfectly match the prefinished hardi when we needed touchup. Of course with the LP product you have to paint the cut edge in addition to taking care of any touchup. How easy are these colors to match? Did LP use off the shelf colors from a major paint company to make that process easier?
Thanks for the video. I really like the idea of using prefinished wit the shiplap so I’m hoping you have some good answers for those matching concerns.
Great question, and I'm still working through the answer. Originally LP provided the touch up paint, so it matched exactly for the cutting ends and nail holes. However, for the trim work I will have to be buying a color match from another manufacturer like Sherwin-Williams or Benjamin Moore. LPS supposedly working with those guys to have exact matches, but I haven't tried it for myself yet. I'll let you know what we find via Instagram.
Jordan Smith thanks. I’m not on Instagram (just fb and UA-cam) so hopefully you could do a brief aside in another video while working in the exterior. Of course I don’t expect you to change up everything just for me but it would be nice. Thanks again for the response
I hate cement siding! Miss the 3-step smart siding (sometimes called Colonial siding) in 12" x 16' lengths. Wonder why they stopped making it? It set flat against the wall and you didn't have to hassle with with "overlapping".
Looks like a great product. Why do they always put a texture on it? Why can't it be smooth?
James Hutchins They actually are producing a smooth board now! lpcorp.com/blog/new-lp-smartside-smooth-trim-siding-combines-advanced-durability-long-lasting-beauty-smooth-finish
Hey thanks for the video.
1) how due dilligent do you need to be to touch up areas with paint that get damaged or chipped ? Will it swell up immediately once wet ? Saying because no one actually pays attention to their siding that much.
Have you seen any documentation on installing this on cmu walls ?
Btw Benjamin moore has some really high perm ratings paints ! Even more than polywall . (50perms??) So probably a good paint to use to paint siding :)
Thanks :)
I'm running a very non-scientific durability test out in the yard of this build. I have this siding with unpainted cut ends laying out in the rain and the weather directly on the ground. There is zero swelling of the ends or unpainted back side. It's definitely the right thing to do to paint your cut ends but you're not going to have a catastrophic failure if the siding gets chipped and isn't covered for a while.
@@JordanSmithBuilds You failed to mention that once you gap the lap siding 3/16" because it is so dry, it will adjust one time to the humidity environment and the gaps will close up. Just an FYI. Great video and accurate.
The LP also looks more natural, the profile is thicker giving it a more authentic appearance. Plus I got tired of the Hardie Board cracking every time someone touched it.
Just finished watching a video from your buddy Matt R. He a James Hardy fan
Hardie is great too, justt a bit of a pain to put up.
Is the shiplap edge treatment standard on all LP Smart lap siding?
Just on their ExpertFinish product for lap siding. Not their primed.
No mention of fire rating versus the 2 and no mention of price comparison. Considering LP lap on the remainder of my garage. My house is 100% James Hardie and the stuff looks awesome hands down compared to the typical vinyl you see everywhere. I think these 2 aesthetically are comparable with the longer lengths being an advantage and impact..I suppose it comes down to price and preference. The install is obviously going to win out for LP....JH is pretty tough to deal with solo, but doable with a little care. A fair comparison would have mentioned price though and fire ratings/grills next to walls and such.
Does anybody know what color this is?
Hey Jordan - Can this product be installed over a typical (1X3) rain screen? I asked them at the builders show and they suggested a mat product they produce; never could get a straight answer to the question. One of the reps intimated the product might get wavy on a rain screen.
Jordan- fiber cement advocates need to acknowledge the need to keep those seams watertight as well- any water past the finish will kill fiber cement at least as fast as any quality OSB....also would you consider Boral, sponsorship aside, and even more interesting, Chelsea Products Everlast siding ? Its an acrylic capped mineral product with a LIFETIME warranty ! And panels can bust together (so no seams given free floating installation.
I love Boral! I would have used them on the previous build, but it was impossible to get their material. I think they have some of the greatest profiles on the market, without all the headaches of fiber cement.
I'm not familiar with the Chelsea products. I'll go check them out. Thanks for the lead!
Where did you get the aluminum material for the back side of the smart siding?
It's galvanized steel flashing. Any hardware store will have a roll of it . 👍
Jordan Smith Must the butt ends be a factory finish to use the flashing method or can they be cut ends that have been primed/painted? LP’s instructions I have read regarding this method are a little ambiguous as to the latter.
I wish I could use it but their warranty isn't valid in high moisture areas.
To those who bash the LP as OSB and wood that will rot or absorb moisture, couldn't be more wrong. Check out the manufacturing process with resin, Zinc Borate and hydrophobic wax, all under pressure providing a 5/50 warranty. The 5 is for labor should anything go wrong in the initial 5. And for FiberCement lovers, there is wood in the product. Like wood cellulose fiber.
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What about the fire resistance of the siding?
Fire resistance is the one place where fiber cement may win out. However, I'm not the expert on how wildfires burn down houses. Is the siding the thing that catches fire first?
I’m not sure either. I guess it depends if trees that overhang the house are burning, or if it’s grass. Where I live now it’s not an issue, but where I retire to, it might be.
Could color matched flashing be used at the joints to avoid "shiny" joints ?
Probably . You'd need a primer ment for metal . Actually probably doesn't even need to be metal could get a pre finished anything that is white. Does t need to be exact shade it will blend
We use mat finish alum coil (trim) stock. Works and looks great and will grab the topcoat color reliably when sprayed. Shiny alum will not.
Tioga Fretworks You answered a question I ask every time I see a Smartside video.
I purchased a roll of Flat PVC to cut and go behind my seems, that way i could paint them when i painted the house and they don’t show shiny. Also, they are easy to cut w/ a box knife and the sun won’t break it down since it is covered w/ paint and inside the crevices.
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I want to go for LP smartside but I checked another video and they said is not so good because is not very water resistant. I'm really confused and don't know which one to go for. Give me ups and downs of LP smartside.
I have been seeing this too. Even LP’ s warranty is weird. Something about it not getting wet. I live in Oregon and it rains a lot. So , I am confused as well.
Cement is a wicking material and holds water. I have seen just enough complaints with water issues with Fiber Cement to not want to put it on my house. I wish they had more natural wood colors.
I have it on one of my homes and never had a water problem with cement siding .,..even in heavy snow or rain. It is Easy broken.
The LP is a new product
...Also, this video is a infomercial brought to you by LP products. Take if for what it is worth.
@@bwest-yq3uc It is more about what it does to products around it vs itself. If it is continually damp, does it grow mold behind it? What about the wall it is up against? Not all people have problems with it. I have seen reviews where people just love it and have had great luck with it. Things get wet in one of three ways: vapor, wicking, water flow. In this instance, if the fiberboard is holding a lot of water, is that water escaping through wicking to other materials that won't hold up to water nearly as well as the cement board? I have been looking at a lot of products like the LP SmartSide. My questions is what happens in 50 years when you need to refinish it? Did you uninstall and replace?
@@bwest-yq3uc Incorrect. SmartSide has been around 23 years. Use FiberCement on caution.
Detail the costs of a full house prefinished vs their primed product please. Just for material costs.
Rather than 4 coats it's realistic that 2 coats of quality paint on their primed product is more than sufficient.
I hope you wont have any sprinklers near that OSB-based siding. Easier to install, pain to maintain. Please read 50 years warrnty exculsions, which actually tells you not to expose the walls for rain.
I saw this too about the water. That the warranty has a ton of exclusions.
@@travisandtracyjacobs6198 Where are you seeing these exclusions ? Do you have a link to that warranty ? The warranty I've seen makes no mention about sprinklers, certain parts of the country, etc. I'm thinking the warranty you're referring to is for the "old" LP InnerSeal siding but I'd like to make sure.
SO my big issue is woodpeckers. They destroy our siding. I was told to redo with Hardie. I see how you show how strong LP is but will it stop a woodpecker. I have tried woodpecker paint, foams, everything. Don't want to do it again.
I have the same issue, did you get an answer?
@@sf5760 No
I am planning to put LP smart siding, the guy who is going to do the job for me in business for 15 years, told that product is great
Woodpecker destroyed my cedar siding
@@sf5760 And he said its as resilient against woodpeckers.
Just resided a house that had LP. Completely rot 20 years old. It was installed by some fricking idiots tho. Grain of salt. Surely the product is a lot better now. Looks better than hardie lap.
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Diamond Kote costs more and I like the H-mull at the seams. It looks like you still need to face nail these seams and quite frankly, they're ugly! Still way better than fiber cement though.
That engineered wood sucks the moisture out of the air not a good idea for siding on a house,50 year warranty is that covering all the labor likely not.
It does have to be installed correctly. Proper gaps between boards, and flashing details executed properly etc. But that's the same as any product.
It comes from LP with an incredibly low moisture content and it will expand a bit as it acclimates to your climate. The only issues with smart side come from people who improperly install it.
Engineered siding would clearly be superior except the most durable polymers are too expensive.
You are miss inform, lP according to manufacture it will expand over the years and it will not contract , that mean caulking get tigth over time
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The Cement siding weakness is water or damp areas The LP should many need a rain screen..
I agree, I much prefer rain screens behind any cladding. LP was concerned about a batten rain screen behind their lap product because of the potential for Boeing between battens. They have just came out with a non compressible drainage mat that should take care of both the rain screen and way Venus concerns.
Yea just let water get into your flakeboard it will swell up bigtime.
Hail? we have hail last week that destroyed our siding. Hail warranty is not covered i heard?
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end of the video he said about the house with hardie.
Hail IS covered!
All I can see in that siding is all that plywood on the back. We’ve got way too much technology to still be thinking that plywood siding is a good idea.
Its not plywood siding.
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It seems all the big home building UA-camrs are endorsing LP. The arguments are strong and I'm close to pulling the trigger, but I keep coming back to the central issue- it's wood. Why are we using wood to side our houses? If waterproofing isn't perfect, it will fail. There are plenty of videos that show this product failing. And I'll bet 90% of the time it's due to incorrect installation. But if anyone's going to mess up installation, it's going to be me.
Fan boy, of course the product was free.
Well this is obviously a slanted review in favor of the lp siding.
So you will install a product on a home that can't stand up to a water sprinkler: Directly from LP. Look at second point.
PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE
• Check for small construction dents and gouges. Fill these indentations with a sealant that meets ASTM C920 minimum
Class 25 requirements, then prime before painting.
• Make sure sprinklers do not spray water directly onto the trim or siding.
• Keep roof surfaces and gutters in working order so water is diverted away from the siding.
• Keep the painted surface free of mold, mildew and algae.
• Make sure your trim and siding are a minimum of six inches above the ground. Do not allow garden mulch or other debris
to build up and compromise your clearance.
• Maintain a 1/2 inch per foot slope away from the house for all adjoining surfaces including patios, driveways, grade, etc. so
that water will drain away effectively.
• Replace missing or damaged caulking around the joints and seams where different surfaces meet with a sealant that meets
ASTM C920 minimum Class 25 requirements.
• Repaint your trim and siding before the existing paint fails. Your local weather conditions will affect the longevity of your
paint’s performance.
THIS WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER PERFORMANCE OF 76 SERIES FOUNDATIONS SIDING IN ALASKA, BRITISH COLUMBIA, HAWAII, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA NORTH OF I-80 OR WEST OF THE CASCADES IN WASHINGTON, OREGON AND CALIFORNIA.
LP must know that their Smartside can fail in wet climates. Living in the midwest, we have those conditions in the fall and spring where it may rain during the day and freeze at night with it being too cold for things to dry. No thanks.
I would think then that the warranty would cover Midwest states since it's not stated here that it doesn't.
Just Say No! To exterior drywall commonly known as fiber cement. Somebody needs to get it removed from being considered a Class 1 material so all the developers quit putting it in the requirements. Engineered wood siding should be allowed everywhere fiber cement is; how many house fires start on the outside of the house...
If your kids hit the house with a hammer for no reason than you are aloud to hit the kid for no reason.
Love kittens. They won't hit your house.
A house is not a home without a kitten or 2
No cats suck
You really like this product because you're getting paid by them to say so. How bout that statement right out of the bat.
Mold??
Fire protection?
Cement fibers have better fire protection than this LP product.
Incorrect. Portland cement does not have fibers. The fiber in fiber cement siding is actually wood cellulose fiber. James Hardie has wood in it!
50 year warranty???? Are you dreaming?
Read it. Pin it on the wall and throw darts at it.
The warranty is for “fading”. I can foresee the company saying it was not installed correctly, painters were at fault, etc.
Your obvious bias doesn’t serve the general public.
Chipboard covered with paint is not something I want.
Its a pro-rated warranty.
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Well folks, if you haven't been to the big box store with all those the China products in it and this product is new to you .... then you shouldn't be buying it. Besides any time a product stoops low enough to advertise via a self explained expert on social media you know it must suck.
I don’t know if your diatribe was meant to talk me out of buying LP Smartside or not. So...what’s your opinion of the product?
First time I've ever been described as a "self explained expert". I think I'll add that to my resume!
@@seanm3226 I'm using a similar product or theirs. Time will tell.
FYI - SmartSide is manufactured in the US and Canada - not China!
@@ddellwo FYI: It's sold in the Big Box Store along with all the junk from CHINA. Never said it was MADE in the crap hole CHINA.