VERY Deep, Sharp and Stretched Dent Repaired by PDR Needle Tip Tool
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2018
- This video shows a VERY deep, sharp, and stretched dent made with a metal knockdown. It has a LOT of stretched metal at the bottom and sides of the dent. A needle tip PDR tool is used from start to finish.
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Cool, sounds great. You are a great teacher for the PDR workers
Thanks again Marty. I've been concentrating on the Fairmont method. Your a true Craftsman and An inspiration to Us All .
All your videos I learned a lot. Thanks master😊
Thanks Marty! Very well explained as always. You are an excellent tech and teacher!
Thanks John. Nice of you to say that.
Marty taught me how to fix these. His top secret magic techniques and tricks are the best ever. I fix real sharp nasty hail like this super fast. Couple of days ago i fixed a dent like this in 10 minutes. Super clean and nice. Thank you Marty. I think of you and thank you every single day. You definitely changed my life to the best.
Ya it's a real money miking technique thats for sure! Thanks Abraham.
Love this guys approach and confidence from experience.
We need a Topgun, BillyBondo,Fitzee colab video series.
Touch their like thingies and that's got er dun . 😂
Love this guy awesome information
excellent work ,excellemt set up
Watched it right to the end great stuff with I could do this. Not in the industry been an Electrician all my working life. Many times I've tried to do panel repairs with some success to some extent. Think every man to his trade and if you have a passion for it you should do well. Loved the way you explained it all.
Thank you so much for the videos. I work at a used car dealership in a PDR position, and your videos really help. I can fine tune a lot of techniques I use because of how you explain everything in great detail. Also being honest that not every dent is 100% fixable is nice to hear.
Your welcome Peter, glad they help you.
Thanks again for yet another great PDR demo !
Thanks Steve, we're just getting started!
Your welcome again Steve. LOL
Love your teaching method. Could listen to your voice for days haha.. Thanks for sharing!!
Well I can't stand may voice, but thanks anyways LOL
Besides great skill you also show impressive instructor talent. Straight to the point, explaining every step and encouraging. Thank you for your time and effort to make high quality instructional videos while remaining very humble and simple person. I have seen a few vids on UA-cam and many of them just brag about their greatness. You are very different. I really appreciate that and God Bless!
Thanks for those very kind words Valera.
@@TopGunPDRTraining hello my friend where did you get your needle tip from ??
@@DentZero123 You have to make them. I have a video showing you how.on this channel.
@@martyrunik Thank you sir I appreciate that
man, I love your tutorials and explanations
thank you so much for pushing me forward!!!
Your very welcome!
A true craftsman at work. Awesome stuff. I love your channal and teaching methods. Thankyou very much.
Thank you Chris.
thanks great video. how about using glue pulling instead soft tip pushing? and could you tell me the tempereture when using heat gun on the panel, please.
Outstanding.
Thanks Greg
Nice video! Also the wetsanding part. A lot of techs don’t show the wet sanding part on video. Personaly i like tolecut the most for sandin the clear.
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Thank you for your knowledge yet again! I tried using the soft tip first on a stretched dent the other day and it really helps get the depth up to see the bottom MUCH better before going to sharp tips. Much cleaner and faster. Just don’t go too far like you said.
Yup!
Great video this is very helpful 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
BEST VIDEO !
Thanks!!
Thanks so much for your lesson! I’m just starting, I understand only about 30% of your speech (I live in a non-English country). But how you put the camera and how you show the work gives understanding 95% more than most videos in my native language. (Text translated by Google translator :) )
Your welcome. Glad our learning from them.
Hi Martin. Could you please post a video of how you attack high spots on the panels. I'm having a lot of difficulty with it and I've mangled my Mercedes little bit 😑
Wat a good way to get the message a cross to people
Muito bom
Best teacher I've seen so far. Look forward to doing dents real soon!
Thanks Justin. Glad your learning from the videos.
wow, impressive.
Thank uuuuu so muchhh💕💕💕take countinue man
Your voice is do calming. Thanks again..
Really? I think it sounds irritating LOL. Thanks for the comments Ricky.
Top Gun PDR Training no.. It's very calming. Your a very good teacher. Loved to of been trained by you. It's hard in the UK to make money from pdr. I'm thinking of giving it up. People won't pay here for quality work.
Nice work buddy worth subscribing 👍
Thanks! Lots more coming
I've had a few requests to show a detailed look of the super sharp whales I use, so I'm making a short video that will go into detail about this.Should be up soon.
I wish it was a closer video with maybe footage of what you doing with the tool underneath to show me where you start. Great vid. Thanks Jon.
Just watched again. Its great work. But an underneath shot filming at the same time would really help.
At the tip of the dent as he described in the beginning
HI Marty, i just want to try this close connect push's i will make very small needles together round end make push tool i really want to see if this method will do the job, i do not know maybe its fantasy but i want to try
I'd love to see split screen of the tool side while this is happening.
the bolts from my gate scrats the whole passenger rear door of my car and put a nice dent in it what do you recommend ill send pictures if needed
I used to do it that way 20 years ago too, Fellas start from the middle and get a few shallow pushes first so you dont end up with that pit or worse cracked paint with a pit and you wont need to sand it then either.
Kinda confused, from watching the vid thats pretty much what he did.
Amen. Heat, center, then finish.
SAI PDR Training what tip do u recommend in the middle first?
SAI PDR Training what tip do you use in the middle dor the shallow pushes?
You da MAN !!! Better be thinking of halibut fishing in the spring 🙂
That sounds so great right now!!!!
great video...
Thanks Mark.
Subscribed.
It would have taken me 8 hours and I still wouldn't have gotten it to perfection like yourself. It's definitely a art
Not at all Mike. You can do it also. Just a matter of the right reflection, patience and the right theory.
Greetings from Chile, I push from the center but it looks very bad, I end up lifting a lot of metal and in the center I have a small dent, what advice would you give me? Thank you
Marty is the best of the best. I went to his school aug 2019. Fantastic. This is clark btw. Use an alias so students dont stalk me.
Hi Clark. Thanks for the compliment!!
Marty, thank you very much for putting out this instruction video! What knock down tip are you using here? Seems like it was not leaving marks in the paint?
I believe I used a very polished metal knock down.
hello, wow great video friend will there be possibility that you put subtitles in Spanish to understand them better? You are a great repairman. Thanks, friend. Greetings from Mexico City
Im off to a dent tech next week.
Im not confident enough to attempt it myself
Is there any way to let him know i almost know what i'm talking about without looking like a know it all idiot.
how do i spot the quacks from a good tech.
how much do you charge to do this program. I'm very intrigued by this I think it's so cool
Not sure what level you're at. Please contact me at the phone number under the video so we can talk and I can answer any questions you may have about PDR training.
is there any way you can make a tool side view or image of the tool at work at the underside?
Hi Ronald Please search my channel that video is there.
Marty., Thanks for sharing nice repair . Not many can do that. So how would you deal with one, that deep ,under a brace ? That's usually my luck it's under my brace.
With a very sharp whale tail. You have to custom make them as you can't buy them that sharp.
I had the same question. Do you meat whale tail with very sharp ends, or something else? Would you show us such whale tail Marty? Or just a simple sketch would be nice.
Great repair and tech explaination. Thanks for the share.
Thanks Joe
Just hard to get that last little pit. Especially if the paint Finnish is really smooth and you want to keep it that way
Take your time ,is good tip 👍
Yes on something like this if you rush it, you will destroy it.
@@TopGunPDRTraining Thank you for your precious time
I really wish I could see exactly where you are doing the pushes. Not sure how you could do that but the pattern you use is the key and we can't see it. How far from the peak are you going? Are you going always in line with the light line? Fascinating to watch.
There is no pattern I just push where the reflection tells me to. Bu almost all the pushes were in the diameter of a BB.
Wish we could also see where it is being pushed on the underside.
awesome video marty, is it quite common and accepted to have a very small pit/low on a repair this stretched?
Thanks Paul.
Usually you will see something on a dent that deep, but it should look like a piece of fat orange peel. If I could have use heat, there probably would have not been even that.
thanks
can something as deep or even deeper ( hit by 5mm round bar its 3-4mm deep and 15mm diameter ) be done with glue pulling? its in the arch above the door so no access
Sounds like too much stretched metal for glue
Marty what tool did you have needle tip on?
Thanks
A Finesse PDR convertible tip tool
Is ther any way getting camera under hood just show rod I'm new to this
Hi Craig. I show this on one of the videos, forget which one though.
This is one legendary repair. Marty, are you working only on small area in the deepest part? You are working from center and outside in small spiral?
All the pushes we're done within the area of a pencil eraser in the stretched impact area and VERY connected. I don't use patterns like spirals, I adjust my board properly so I can see detail at the impact point of the dent and I let the reflection shows me where to push next. Having the right reflection and adjusting it properly is key on these otherwise your just guessing where to push and that won't work on a repair like this.
Thanks Marty. What do you mean by adjusting the light properly? High angle, lots of light IN? Please explain more about the " I let the reflection shows me where to push next" You are extremely helpful. The amount of knowledge you have is tremendous. I'm happy to follow your videos.
Unfortunately adjusting a reflection, and finding the right reflection for you is very unique to each tech and is something that can't be shown on a video or even explained. It has to be shown first hand. It's not uncommon for long time PDR techs to be using the wrong reflection for them and not adjusting it properly for their eyes.
Everyone is different and you can't even begin to show all the different reflections and adjustments that may be needed. Sometimes it can take 2-3 hours during training for me to dial a tech into the right reflection and adjustment for them. Too bad we all don't see visual information exactly the same way, it would make PDR much easier LOL.
Can you draw on paper what the pattern of the needle tip is doing under there ... I don't understand what gathering metal means ... :(
The way he hit it with a punch to CREATE the dent, he is doing the exact same thing from the bottom except using a sharper punch (tool tip) and instead of striking he is just pushing in the exact center slowly and accurately with just the correct amount of pressure with no rush
So where is the stretched metal going? Colour sanding ok but what happens if the paint has a clear lacquer coat?
Hi Andrew. As the explanation given in the video says, it is gathered up into a very small area with a very sharp tip. Color sanding only takes the tops of the clear coat off.
Im a subscriber !!!!
Thanks!
I have a question for you I have a 2014 Ford Mustang the front passenger Fender Has two deep sharp dents where the body line are. If you look at a picture of a 2014 Mustang it is the 2 distinct Body lines that run along the base of fender Do you think That that will be able to be removed. I know it's kind of hard to say without seeing a picture. I'm just asking if it's possible
it's possible, but without.at least a couple good pics theres no way to know.
Top Gun PDR Training any way I can send a pic to you?
You can use my gmail address at the bottom of the video screen.
Sent the pics to your email
Auction speak louder than words
Marty, can you explain more on that? Sharpening the whale tail
Tell ya what I'll add it to the tool videos i'm doing. Hard to explain you have to see one
Would this also apply to an aluminum panel sir ???
No. Aluminum is worked very differently than steel.
Hi. The first thing the video sais is to watch the part 1 before watching this video but I don`t find it. Can you share the link to this video?
It's titled the Mobile Tech Expo Type video on my channel
@@TopGunPDRTraining thank you I found it!
it would be helpful to see the bottom action view
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Por favor traducirlo en español
A dent that hasn't been sitting for that long such as this will almost always come out easier than one that has let sit for a long period of time.
Hi Frank.Thats a common misnomer that most think was started by body shops long ago to encourage customers to get their dents fixed sooner than later. You still hear it today by estimators that want the job now LOL That was disproven many decades ago by the developers of the Fairmount Method. They found there was no relationship to time and difficulty of dent removal unless it sits on bare metal long enough and corrodes.
@@TopGunPDRTraining hmmm... Doesn't seem logical. I have tested that theory many times and found it to be often more true than not.
Completely false... I started off training on dents on old panels in junk yards, dents that had been in the panels for many, many years and have found zero difference between working them vs working fresh dents. A dent is a dent regardless of time, it just doesn’t make sense that an old dent would somehow harden into place simply because of time elapsed.
Very good job 👏 how can I get in touch with you to buy some tools. Thank you in avance 👍
Hi Alfredo I don't sell any tools, but you can buy some of my designs from either Blehm Tools or shortly from Ultra Dent Tools.
Great thanks 👍
be nice to see the lever as well as the dent moving, i keep looking off the bottom left of the screen to see how much pressure , angles etc...in any case , thx. very good tutorial otherwise...i have learnt much.
💥 Nice Work ✅ Shot Gun Not BB Gun💥
Your definition of "Stretched" and mine are very, very different.
What you are showing here is not "Stretched" by the old school definition. In order to be legitimately stretched, the metal has to be pulled beyond it elasticity.
If you can straighten this without using heat shrinking, or at least a shrinking hammer, its not "Stretched" It just needs some stress reliving to get it to go back home.
And by heat, I mean real heat. Circle the torch to the stretch, as soon as the metal glows you tap with the shrinking hammer and finish the shrinking by rapidly cooling with a wet rag....the paint will be burnt off. Real stretched metal cannot be PDRed.
All that said, I think you did a really nice job on this one. I see PDR as the ultimate refinement of old school metal finishing. I am learning a lot on the subject from your channel.
Exactly, I'm a 20-year veteran PDR tech and this was 100% NOT stretched (no offense intended to the the video creator, it just factually isn't elongated, which is what would happen to the metal if it was stretched). As you said, a truly stretched dent cannot be PDR'd normally (without heat / induction etc).
Having said all that, it WAS a VERY SHARP dent ... and the repair was certainly very good.
you know you can make your own polish via white jewlers rudge you can buy a bar from a chrome shop or truck stop i hope. no offense.
I'm no expert but isn't using heat on needle tip or bare steel tip behind the panel will poke the paint? What I've noticed, using heat only on rubber or covered tip so easier to move the metal. And don't use heat when using bare needle tip without any cover so it won't poke the paint 🤔
That dent was very stretched. Using heat is always better with sharp tips. Also paint won't crack nearly as easy with heat.
What grit of sandpaper was that ???
2000 grit
Thanks you really got some of the best videos out here for this great teacher....can these be glue pulled or too sharp???
These are way beyond what glue pulling can do.
@@TopGunPDRTraining ok
If possible would love if could get it just hand work rather learn this way old school every o else blends it out into one big dent if customer.er cant see it jobs done I'm just self taught buy your vids so.e tools got at car boot sale I'm fiber optic trade which is a good job but I'm type guy likes put effort in his work see customers face att end of the job got mu head around crouns but I want be at stage were can take dent out as you do straching metel but I know it my hand work I will get more tools when covid passes get bk to work old school if learn that rest is gravy
Why don't you show the dent pusher from behind the door dent to see how you push the dent up, they always ownly show it from in front the dent never from hehind the panel.
There is a video of this on my channel. ua-cam.com/video/Z9iYanvdiZI/v-deo.html
I don't understand how a needle tip tool is used to gather up the stretched metal because you never show what you're doing underneath, you're only showing the results from the side you're observing.
Thats why I do the theory and diagram part on the white board at the beginning. You wouldn't be able to see the tip underneath because my fingers have to be right on the tip and it would block the camera. The camera would only show the pushes not the metal gathering up from the back. It's best seen by the camera from the side you see. There is no way to see metal gathering up well because the changes are so small.
Ok I accept that now you've explained the limitations of filming, only can you elaborate more with your diagram what you mean about 'gathering-up'? I so far understand that the pushes are very close together encircling the focus of the stretched metal. Just not quite sure how you are effectively re-condensing the metal - removing the stretch?
Actually I explain that in the MTE type large dent video. You may want to watch that also.
The best way to unstretch the metal is to do the reverse which is pretty much what this video shows, a sharp strike from the top requires a sharp push from the bottom, otherwise a wide tip will never pinpoint the stretched metal. Slowly but surely that metal gets unstretched
Watching a man do the repair within 20 minutes... Asks local dent repair shop for similar (slightly bigger, but overall similar) work and cost/time... gets told "2 days"... 😂 I mean yeah sure, not all jobs are similar and some could take longer. But c'mon... 2 days and the dent is on the lower part of the rear door so should be accessible when removing the interior panel. 2 days. I don't buy it, and I didn't.
I don't think you are too picky at all. I love pdr.
Thanks John it's a great trade isn't it!
I don't know yet. I'm trying to learn it. I've got a few tools together, and researching lights. I am naturally a perfectionist and usually have a lot of patience with myself and inanimate objects. I enjoy trying to do pdr.
We can’t see what you doing this too bad camera should be down where you working
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You are not showing anything. The work happens in the back.
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@@TopGunPDRTraining Shows video from the back, covers it ALL with fingers and shows nothing.
If you watch the video to the end you will see that I move my fingers so you can see the tool tip pushing on the back of the panel. This is not how you should fix a dent though. Your fingers should always be in contact with the tool tip whenever possible.
@@martyrunik I did. I watched all the way to the end where you show the tip touching the metal after the dent was removed, therefore not showing the motion/technique used to actually remove the dent. I am guessing you don't want to show that part. I have lost count of how many of these instructional videos I have watched and to this day, there isn't a youtube video where the actual pushing out of a dent showing from the back is made available. You came close, but only to cover it with your fingers.
I don't know what to tell you then. Any good tech has to put his fingers next to the tool tip to get good control. At. the end I do take my fingers away from the tip for a few pushes to show what it looks like. I'm not hiding anything but as I say in the video there isn't much to see as the pushes are extremely connected and they TOTALLY depend on what you see in the reflection NOT what you see from the back. The reflection controls EVERYTYHING and no video can show the detail you need to see, you have to see it live many times before it clicks. Thats why I say so often you cant learn PDR rom the beginning by video. You can learn more advanced concepts from video though and thats what these videos are about.
Your drama about how VERY this and how LOT that. And it would be BAD if this, or NOT WORK if that. These types of comments are a distraction from the technical points. It feels like trade school soap opera.