Toxic U.S. political themes distort view of campus Gaza protests

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  • Confrontations between student protests and police, as well as grandstand politicians using the protests as a backdrop for partisan messaging has shifted a lot of the public attention away from the actual issue of Israel's war with Hamas and put the focus instead on the spectacle of the campus protests. Jelani Cobb, dean of the Columbia School of Journalism, and Peter Beinart, professor at the CUNY Newmark School of Journalism, discuss with Alex Wagner.
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  • @readmelancholystrumpetmaster
    @readmelancholystrumpetmaster 13 днів тому +55

    The violence was started by counterprotesters and stormtroopers. This is being ignored in order to vilify the protesters and shift to that as the story rather than the genocide in Gaza.

    • @Al_Ghifari_Al_Kinani
      @Al_Ghifari_Al_Kinani 11 днів тому

      No. Go read the articles both in the NYT and the LA Times about who attacked the Pro-Palestinian protesters with metal bars, firecrackers, bear spray, live rodents, etc.

    • @griefg2967
      @griefg2967 9 днів тому

      It is actually not so much about antisemitism. It is a similar situation like BLM. Iran, China and Russia use any convenient misinformation to provoke hate and destroy western cultures.

    • @griefg2967
      @griefg2967 9 днів тому +3

      And there is no genocide in Gaza.

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 8 днів тому +5

      @@griefg2967 The dictionary would disagree with you

    • @zacharythomas8617
      @zacharythomas8617 8 днів тому +1

      ​​@@barackobama9343 this is the definition you're looking for: War: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

  • @janecreek681
    @janecreek681 15 днів тому +178

    Opposing genocide isn't antisemitism.

    • @reason6835
      @reason6835 15 днів тому

      “Genocide”
      Bwahahahahahaha. Shows exactly how much you fools know.

    • @juelasejdo1706
      @juelasejdo1706 15 днів тому +34

      Does that mean you are opposing Hamas? They have vowed to commit genocide against the Israelis. October 7 was the product of their desire to commit genocide

    • @reason6835
      @reason6835 15 днів тому +18

      @@juelasejdo1706: They don’t know what genocide means, obviously.

    • @janecreek681
      @janecreek681 15 днів тому +34

      @@juelasejdo1706 The American tax payer isn't financing Hamas.

    • @juelasejdo1706
      @juelasejdo1706 15 днів тому +1

      @@reason6835 I know and they call themselves university students. They are so prone to manipulation and radicalization because they totally lack critical thinking. So disappointing to see.

  • @user-jj2nx1hz1z
    @user-jj2nx1hz1z 13 днів тому +35

    USA’s hypercritical democracy 😅

  • @sharonmassey2923
    @sharonmassey2923 14 днів тому +7

    Well, this was a relief to hear, along with Chris Hayes' related segment! I've posted extremely critical comments about the spin that has been coming out of MSNBC, and critical comments about what it has not reported on. Thank you, Alex. I certainly hope this indicates a change of "heart" when it comes to the direction your network has been taking.

    • @raevj
      @raevj 12 днів тому

      This station only does spin…they do it about Republicans all the time.

  • @agonzalez8924
    @agonzalez8924 14 днів тому +102

    Joe Scarborough, an anchor on your own network, literally called the protestors "pro-hamas" a day or two ago. A statement like that is completely disqualifying and it shows he doesn't even comprehend what the protests are about.

    • @smallpeople172
      @smallpeople172 14 днів тому +16

      Exactly. He should lose his job for saying that

    • @iditbes6962
      @iditbes6962 14 днів тому

      He is right, they are pro Hamas.because they are chanting and calling for the distraction of Israel and this is a very known goal of Hamas.

    • @EchoBravo370
      @EchoBravo370 14 днів тому

      There were protestors saying they were pro-Hamas all over Twitter.

    • @KAHluvsKAH
      @KAHluvsKAH 14 днів тому +12

      @@smallpeople172 actually, what is is trying to point out is that the extreme behaviour is what Hamas wants... this behaviour is no different then those that supported the protests in the 80s in Yemen/Saudi Arabia and Iran... burning flags and shouting death to america... the behaviour is no different... therefore in our Old Gen X eyes... the people can be lump in the same... you aren't doing the Palestinians any favours behaving this way... if you actually go back in time you will see the protests that were successful were the ones that were peaceful... MLK would not be proud of how people now protest

    • @smallpeople172
      @smallpeople172 14 днів тому +8

      @@KAHluvsKAH but everything you just described is not happening at these protests anyway. They are legitimately peaceful. MLK was a radical and was seen as a violent protestor during his time

  • @unclecharlie7604
    @unclecharlie7604 15 днів тому +68

    I was in HS in the late 60's when the student protests against the Vietnam war were taking place. Too young to participate but old enough to pay attention. Now I admit I haven't been paying attention to these student protests. In fact I intentionally skipped yesterday's Morning Joe when it was clear that's all they were going to talk about on the show. But I tuned in today after NYPD breached Hamilton Hall. Regarding the Israel Gaza issue, I know it is complicated and won't debate it here. Frankly I'm old enough to see both sides. But the discussion I heard this morning reminded me so much of things I heard back in the 60's.
    "Professional agitators, provocateurs, outsiders, anarchists."
    I have no way of knowing if those labels are accurate now, but I do know they were lies in the 60's. Lies told about both the anti-war movement and the civil right movement. And it makes me wonder about what I'm hearing today. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." We won't get fooled again. Or will we?

    • @portmantologist
      @portmantologist 14 днів тому +11

      Skipping Morning Joe is always the right choice.

    • @kathyweis7451
      @kathyweis7451 14 днів тому +5

      There are always outside agitators sent to muddy the waters. However the rules of civil disobedience must be adhered to. No buildings, you don't fight the police, you don't assist in being removed. In other words your body goes limp so it takes two officers to remove you. I remember Kent State, do you?

    • @KOSTNOT
      @KOSTNOT 14 днів тому +17

      It’s the same lies as the 60s. I encourage you to look deeper . The students are 100% right and justified. Years from now society will benefit from their bravery.

    • @agonzalez8924
      @agonzalez8924 14 днів тому

      Morning Joe literally called the protesters "pro-hamas". This sort of statement is so utterly disqualifying.
      I think you already know the answer my friend. You you were on the right side of history back in the 60s and you can be on the right side of history again today. Also, I highly doubt a person like Joe Scarborough was your Ally back in the 60s either.

    • @KeeneBraden
      @KeeneBraden 14 днів тому +8

      There is no “both” sides. Land was taken from people and given to another people. Israel’s actually Europeans that have oppressed the Palestinians.

  • @snarf0596
    @snarf0596 11 днів тому +36

    Msnbc doing thier best to keep Israel from being held accountable.

    • @danielhammond3218
      @danielhammond3218 9 днів тому +5

      Hamas needs to be held accountable

    • @snarf0596
      @snarf0596 9 днів тому

      @@danielhammond3218 so does Israel, they all need to be sent to the ICC

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 8 днів тому

      @@danielhammond3218 by attacking Iran? There is NO WAY reasonable people would believe that Iran attacked the IRON DOME with 200 drones! and accomplished nothing except providing a resaon for "retaliation"...

    • @a-aron8223
      @a-aron8223 8 днів тому +2

      By Hamas do you mean ‘Palestinian kids?”

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 8 днів тому

      @@a-aron8223 THEY mean ANYBODY who stands in their way

  • @csharpe5787
    @csharpe5787 14 днів тому +47

    What’s really shocking, is the fact that agitators were allowed to go in and start throwing fireworks into a peaceful protest. They were given a free rain for a long time. Some situations can’t be criticised it appears!

    • @lynnrunningdeer7364
      @lynnrunningdeer7364 14 днів тому

      How do you think they delegitimize any protest that seeks a positive outcome. They did the exact same thing with the BLM movement and now it's dead. They ensured it wouldn't be a revolution.

    • @mcostagirl123
      @mcostagirl123 14 днів тому

      Perhaps worse is the fact that mainstream media reported on this without addressing the fact that it was the pro Israel supporters being hostile.

    • @Pituqat
      @Pituqat 14 днів тому +2

      Those were cops. All clean cut. All male. They went back to the precinct, changed into their uniforms, and went back.

    • @L0kias1
      @L0kias1 14 днів тому +3

      @@Pituqatnope , that’s average college jock 😂 clearly you have never been to college

    • @snarf0596
      @snarf0596 11 днів тому

      Cops and idf soldiers were the ones throwing fireworks.

  • @rexko381
    @rexko381 14 днів тому +12

    First Amendment
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

  • @thomashunter5645
    @thomashunter5645 12 днів тому +11

    I am appalled by the human rights violations happening in the USA. USA should stop preaching human rights to other countries.

  • @morsmordre3
    @morsmordre3 9 днів тому +1

    How can we take the media and politicians seriously in November when we've seen how they've handled this.

  • @James-hm9on
    @James-hm9on 13 днів тому +5

    “ Republicans go all-in on U.S. campus protests as potential election winner “ this headline is a truly sad example of the state of our politics , heartless , cynical and disappointing. America can and needs to do better .

  • @akrambakerBerlin
    @akrambakerBerlin 11 днів тому +2

    This is what a balanced and informative interview sounds like. Thanks Alex. It's good you and Chris and Ayman are at MSNBC.

  • @evie964
    @evie964 14 днів тому +11

    Peter is so wonderful, thank you.

    • @L0kias1
      @L0kias1 14 днів тому +1

      Peter is an apologist who would negotiate his own kids away to not look bad

  • @neekos3084
    @neekos3084 11 днів тому +2

    2:16 No, when people look back at this, it'll be the point at which free speech was ultimately defeated in the United States, with the passing of H.R 6090

  • @hwi6913
    @hwi6913 14 днів тому +30

    Now that's relevant. Finally someone is doing their job at MSNBC.

    • @L0kias1
      @L0kias1 14 днів тому +1

      Too bad he is dead wrong. Hamas doesn’t even want to give up all of the hostages and you are proud

    • @snarf0596
      @snarf0596 11 днів тому

      Joy reid been doing it but the rest of the network have been covering for Israel no matter what.

    • @hwi6913
      @hwi6913 11 днів тому

      @@snarf0596 It's true, I remember a very good video of her speaking about what was going on in Gaza.

    • @hwi6913
      @hwi6913 11 днів тому

      @@L0kias1 Who is “he”? I'm proud? Proud of what? Sorry, your sentence sounds like gibberish to me. (No offense)

    • @snarf0596
      @snarf0596 11 днів тому

      @@L0kias1 this dude is a Israeli bot you can tell by his English. Bibi already said if hamas gave up all hostages he would still invade the south.

  • @Sunsquall
    @Sunsquall 15 днів тому +51

    Welcome back to the 60's. Anti-Vietnam protests became a cultural flashpoint and the actual facts got lost.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    • @user-kk8sw7bs2r
      @user-kk8sw7bs2r 14 днів тому

      Just the late 1960s white nihilists and communists. Same as the Arabs and communists dressed like terrorists on college campuses today
      The only righteous protest movement in the past several decades has come from the blacks people in Selma and the passing of the civil rights act

    • @jeffgojail
      @jeffgojail 14 днів тому +2

      Funny how microaggressions and language being violence all just went out the window, huh?

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 14 днів тому

      the "MEDIA" never changes... NEVER

    • @jeffgojail
      @jeffgojail 14 днів тому

      @@barackobama9343
      The media is there to report what is happening, not to spout Pro Palestinian propaganda. That's what The Young Turks is for

    • @concerned9027
      @concerned9027 14 днів тому

      I’m afraid this is totally different from the 60s. A different and scary time!

  • @youngthomasyorke4074
    @youngthomasyorke4074 14 днів тому +55

    Peter is right and is saying what needs to be said, regardless of your position on this issue, this war is going to create a generation of more radicalized Palestinians and sympathizers than we've seen before. Hamas got exactly the response they wanted by leading Israel into this trap, and an added bonus of social discord in the US and around the world.

    • @coldstonestunners
      @coldstonestunners 14 днів тому +3

      There won’t be a Palestine.

    • @youngthomasyorke4074
      @youngthomasyorke4074 14 днів тому +7

      @@coldstonestunners There's still a Palestinian diaspora (Jordan, Israel, Syria, Chile, Lebanon etc.) regardless if there isn't a Palestine.

    • @csharpe5787
      @csharpe5787 14 днів тому

      I would say that if Israel hadn’t oppressed the Arabs in Gaza, the West Bank or Israel. There would be any Hamas. Israel isn’t an innocent bystander. Israel is an apartheid state.

    • @nickyb3800
      @nickyb3800 14 днів тому +3

      Who funded Ham Mas? His name rhymes with mini.

    • @daimyofrancisco-rhodes8536
      @daimyofrancisco-rhodes8536 14 днів тому +13

      Hamas may have gotten what the wanted... But the Palestinian people just want to be treated like everyone else does... As human beings not targets... Hamas and Israel is to blame for all these deaths... Israel has treated their neighbors like prisoners...

  • @kbram7363
    @kbram7363 14 днів тому +33

    The occupier can’t complain about the resistance.

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 14 днів тому

      The sad thing is that the supporters of the "occupier" also control the flow of global information

    • @L0kias1
      @L0kias1 14 днів тому +2

      Sure they can , they are the occupier lol … where you been ?

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 14 днів тому +3

      @@L0kias1 not in a history class obviously

  • @BrattyBetty
    @BrattyBetty 15 днів тому +23

    I'm A Protestor Not A Terrorist !!
    -- Protest Sign

    • @joshuaevans6623
      @joshuaevans6623 15 днів тому

      Uhhh keh

    • @stevestoll3124
      @stevestoll3124 14 днів тому +7

      Then step away from the masked individuals and don't use violence on Jews.

    • @mzk123ify
      @mzk123ify 11 днів тому +2

      Hamas supporters

  • @paulmlemay
    @paulmlemay 14 днів тому +4

    LOVE this interview

  • @johnmortin5603
    @johnmortin5603 14 днів тому +26

    Someone needs to educate our media on what is really happening in Israel. Someone needs to tell Joe Scarborough how over the last 30 years in conflicts between Israel and Palestinians 20 Palestinians have died for every Israeli. Who else behaved like that? In Germany? Someone needs to educate our media on how the people in Gaza got there after being driven from their homes at gunpoint 75 years ago!

    • @user-zc4yd9ss7h
      @user-zc4yd9ss7h 14 днів тому

      Where Israel is concerned the mantra is: 'Hear no evil, see no evil'.

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 14 днів тому +2

      I am surpised the ratio is 20 to 1... I actually thought that number would be higher but I guess we can only work with the infromation we are ALLOWED to have by the "MEDIA"

    • @nahzakalin365
      @nahzakalin365 11 днів тому +1

      They all seem to have Amnesia up untill the 7th of October 🙄

    • @ironknightgaming5706
      @ironknightgaming5706 10 днів тому

      America's number one tool in it's imperialistic ventures is the media.

  • @Jess-hg7ii
    @Jess-hg7ii 14 днів тому +19

    Historically speaking, every time college students have protested at this level against the status quo, they have been proven right in the end. The people who support the police suppression here would also support the police suppression of MLK and other civil rights movements. Police are an occupying army, that serve the status quo and the current power system, even if that system is not doing what it claims it is.

    • @rack9458
      @rack9458 14 днів тому

      BLM was wrong and many went to jail.
      Jan 6th was wrong, no change.
      Defund the police was wrong.
      Anti war protest in a country not directly involved has never resolved anything.

    • @concerned9027
      @concerned9027 14 днів тому

      You really do not see it do you? Many will I’m afraid! Sad! Very!

    • @centristmiguel8581
      @centristmiguel8581 12 днів тому

      And historically speaking every time college students protested at this level it has resulted in NOTHING they sought. so who's really winning? You ABSOLUTELY sure the students are right? lol.

  • @CW-xf1li
    @CW-xf1li 11 днів тому +1

    What's done in the dark will come to light

  • @betterbetter3680
    @betterbetter3680 15 днів тому +11

    More coverage like this please❤

  • @everydayispoetry
    @everydayispoetry 14 днів тому +6

    I agree with Beinart that the war as it is presently being waged is both a strategic blunder and a humanitarian tragedy, but disagree that the protest tactics being used are anything but counterproductive. Activists tend to play to their own ideological bubbles, seemingly not realizing how unreasonable, selfish, and spoiled their actions make them appear to the majority of the country.

    • @WeeWeeJumbo
      @WeeWeeJumbo 14 днів тому +2

      people said precisely the same thing about protestors against South African apartheid as well as US apartheid

    • @everydayispoetry
      @everydayispoetry 14 днів тому +2

      @@WeeWeeJumbo Yes, and in some cases the people who said that were correct. Whose voice was more powerful: MLK or Malcom X? That of the freedom riders or of the Black Panthers? Effective protest is about bringing people together rather than demonizing the other. It is based in love, not hate. Unfortunately, the social justice movements of the last 10 years or so not only fail to understand this, but in many cases actively reject it. The current campus protests are only the latest example of this.

  • @_Kumar443
    @_Kumar443 13 днів тому +1

    I'm concern in usa democracy & freedom of speech.
    Freedom and liberty are at risk in America.

  • @osmanhayes3803
    @osmanhayes3803 14 днів тому +4

    Free Palestine ❤
    Stop the wars ❤

  • @lance6112
    @lance6112 10 днів тому

    Wow! I virtually never say this; but kudos to MSNBC and Peter Beinart

  • @-in-the-meantime...
    @-in-the-meantime... 14 днів тому +2

    Wild how one group of people can take over others land, and now definitions of words without pushback. Hmm.

  • @Leslie-1996
    @Leslie-1996 15 днів тому +35

    While I do not support Netanyahu and his far right government, or the current campaign in Gaza, My entire life I have supported Israel’s right to exist. countless of my ancestors were murdered simply for being Jewish, not just in Germany, but in Russia, Spain, Hungary, Lithuania, & Ukraine. Despite this, I don’t think Israel has any right to do whatever they want, they need to be held to the same standard as any other US ally. I have never understood unconditional aid, for any country. Palestinians deserve statehood, with economic opportunities and freedom of movement. they are more than the terroristic leaders in Gaza, who before the wore disapproved of Hamas and wanted to maintain the ceasefire that had been in place since 2021 at a rate of over 60%. Over 50% of Gazans polled supported a two state solution. It’s war that is furthering the divide, and you can’t really blame them. Over half of gazans weren’t even old enough to vote for Hamas in 2007, the world shouldn’t punish them for the actions of their elders, who have led them towards a path of violence and “martyrdom”.

    • @juelasejdo1706
      @juelasejdo1706 15 днів тому +6

      Hamas committed massacres with the support of the Palestinian population. Hamas support among Palestinians is very high. I find it interesting that you don’t even mention the hostages

    • @lisal9829
      @lisal9829 15 днів тому +2

      She stated her Jewish ANCESTORS were murdered. That should say enough!

    • @jlighter1
      @jlighter1 15 днів тому +9

      One slight clarification. Around half of Gazans weren't _born_ when that vote happened. Closer to two-thirds weren't old enough to vote (including those not yet born)

    • @kathyweis7451
      @kathyweis7451 14 днів тому +1

      Well said👍✌️

    • @portmantologist
      @portmantologist 14 днів тому +9

      Saying "Israel has a right to exist" is answering the wrong question, and not just because I'd argue that NO state has the "right to exist". The question isn't whether Israel has a right to exist, but whether it has the right to exist AS IT IS NOW, as a colonial authoritarian apartheid system, instead of a multi-ethnic democracy. Does Israel have the right to push Palestinians out of their homes and off their lands, actively undermine their ability to self-govern, starve them to death, and so on? Absolutely not.

  • @lightwillprevail
    @lightwillprevail 15 днів тому +23

    Thanks to our young people for exercising their 1st amendment rights at Columbia and all the the other protests that did and are taking place across America! Stay strong in your beliefs and continue with your good trouble 🙏

    • @juelasejdo1706
      @juelasejdo1706 15 днів тому +2

      You shouldn’t encourage lawlessness if you are not willing to protest yourself. It is irresponsible to tell the students to get in trouble

    • @TA_Plus_Hemi
      @TA_Plus_Hemi 15 днів тому

      Yeah exercising their first amendment rights where people who don't think the way they do are not allowed to exercise their first amendment rights. Kind of amazing isn't it how people who follow the leftist agenda have full freedom of speech but people who don't, don't

    • @lisal9829
      @lisal9829 15 днів тому +2

      @@juelasejdo1706 Good trouble does not mean what you think. The majority of protests are peaceful.

    • @Do.your.own.reserch.185.
      @Do.your.own.reserch.185. 15 днів тому +3

      I do believe in these young people protesting protesting peacefully..but if your going to protest know what your doing it for and understand who you are protesting for 95 % of these students can't find Isreal and the Gaza strip on a history class 🌐 globe or world 🌎 map they don't understand the culture of either people and the dynamics and complexity of their history disputing over territory over the past 200 centuries ..they don't even know who Yesser Arafat was...I work with a few young collage students and asked them ..do you all know where Isreal is ? one said its north of afganistan ..another said west African and other said somewhere In the north mediterranean territory....I was like wow..couldn't believe it..

    • @juelasejdo1706
      @juelasejdo1706 15 днів тому +3

      @@lisal9829occupying buildings and barricading themselves is illegal. Pushing against the police officers who are there to enforce the law is also illegal. Peaceful doesn’t mean breaking the law. Peaceful doesn’t mean calling for genocide against the Jewish people.

  • @robfarrell9104
    @robfarrell9104 14 днів тому +5

    And surprise surprise, most aren’t even students.

  • @jumcrae2909
    @jumcrae2909 15 днів тому +11

    Finally 🤓...Some truth is being said about what is Really Happening ‼‼‼‼‼‼

    • @62Cristoforo
      @62Cristoforo 15 днів тому

      I know, right?!

    • @zacksmith5963
      @zacksmith5963 13 днів тому

      Usa : chinese should protest and rise against their govt .
      Also usa : how dare u protest against your own govt in 🇺🇸

  • @nouni79
    @nouni79 14 днів тому +1

    Peter you are brilliant

  • @brentlatham5529
    @brentlatham5529 14 днів тому +1

    I disagree with these guys...

  • @ReasonablySane
    @ReasonablySane 10 днів тому

    It's always fun to watch MSNBC's satirical twist on events. This show isnt as fun as Rachel Maddow, but still fun.👍

  • @zacharythomas8617
    @zacharythomas8617 8 днів тому

    War: a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

  • @jamesriedmiller5168
    @jamesriedmiller5168 14 днів тому

    Awesome discussion thank you

  • @scarlettuwu9582
    @scarlettuwu9582 14 днів тому +1

    Nah, this was absolutely a soft pitch interview.
    Here’s the thing with U.S. military aid, Iran just sent something like 300 missiles + drones towards Israel in an attack,
    It takes intercept missiles and other ammunition to stop that type of attack, and those weapons obviously have to be restocked or Israel will run out, like Ukraine did…. And then what happens?

    • @rpscorp9457
      @rpscorp9457 14 днів тому

      This expenditure was a tiny amount of the number they have stockpiled.

  • @sassysls1851
    @sassysls1851 15 днів тому +6

    We need to see more interviews of Peter Beinart and Jelani Cobb! Thank you to you both! We need more people/voices like yours in the world!

  • @lironkayvan3759
    @lironkayvan3759 11 днів тому

    I went to those protests. They are not peaceful…

    • @refatrabadi6656
      @refatrabadi6656 11 днів тому +1

      You are sooo sensitive…

    • @mezh92126
      @mezh92126 7 днів тому

      The only not peaceful we’re pro Israeli and police!

  • @PittsburghRocks
    @PittsburghRocks 14 днів тому +1

    Alex Wagner is so good.

  • @lisatheobald2313
    @lisatheobald2313 11 днів тому

    The Media makes the sensationalism and the MEDIA makes this impossible!
    THE END

  • @melissabirch459
    @melissabirch459 10 днів тому

    Shades of 1968. Outside Agitators lol

  • @renatomsgomes
    @renatomsgomes 12 днів тому

    Running toward a civil war...i just wonder if they know how to stop a civil war.

  • @theduder2617
    @theduder2617 14 днів тому +2

    In the effort of fairness, regarding the distortion of fact and all, why is there no mention of law violations by protesters? You know, the entire reason for the arrests. Labeling one's self a "protester" is not a free pass to violate established law. And if the distortion of fact is an issue, it would be wise for all involved to tell ALL related facts.
    Interesting how they have no interest in discussing ALL of the facts, isn't it? And do not waste effort asking.
    You already know the violated law(s) which forced the arrests. Asking will not reverse nor undo the actions of those involved.

  • @samudramanthan8645
    @samudramanthan8645 15 днів тому +3

    That's so deep; very compelling also! I detect a very complex and highly-nuanced inflection point of unprecedented magnitude.

    • @jayceak7
      @jayceak7 14 днів тому +1

      Well-said, thankyou!

  • @FA-ms9jc
    @FA-ms9jc 13 днів тому +1

    Them talking about this anti-Semitic? Will they get thrown on the floor and arrested when they walk out of the studio? Will the fireworks spark in there faces?

  • @CW-xf1li
    @CW-xf1li 11 днів тому

    What's going on? Why all of a sudden are you allowing more thought?

  • @MaryMatthews-jg7du
    @MaryMatthews-jg7du 11 днів тому +1

    The students are right.

  • @tacodon607
    @tacodon607 14 днів тому +1

    Janitor said he was held hostage sound familiar oct7

  • @juelasejdo1706
    @juelasejdo1706 15 днів тому +8

    These students didn’t even protest for their own rights. No wonder they are surprised to face consequences. They think protesting is entertainment.

  • @danielhammond3218
    @danielhammond3218 9 днів тому

    Palestinians need to rise up against Hamas. Israel is not their enemy.

  • @RobertaSirgutz
    @RobertaSirgutz 8 днів тому

    As usual, its a vote for Biden ad. Both candidates have the same goals and views.
    Toxic intervention by Government into campuses, planted agitation and media lying about the extent of violence is horrible. I live here and have spoken to the NYPD. It's respectful and tolerant. Militaristic intervention is not helping.

  • @bartp4788
    @bartp4788 14 днів тому +3

    I'm amazed that a conversation of this quality took place on MSNBC.

  • @ramrajbajrangee8989
    @ramrajbajrangee8989 13 днів тому +3

    "DISSENT WITHOUT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE IS CONSENT"
    D.H. Thoreau

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 8 днів тому

      "INDIVIDUALISM. In "Civil Disobedience," Thoreau expressed his belief in the power and, indeed, the obligation of the individual to determine right from wrong, independent of the dictates of society: "any man more right than his neighbors, constitutes a majority of one" (credit to a google search because I had no idea who that was) You can land on either side of the fence with that comment. I am not trying to be a jerk, maybe I am just missing something... It sure wouldn't be the first time. I think I know what the intention is but I don't want to just assume it

  • @Playaflydre
    @Playaflydre 15 днів тому +1

    Legally speaking here. They were fine up until the point they started breaking into buildings. Once they did that. All leverage disappeared. So they really brought all of this on themselves

  • @markcroydon3195
    @markcroydon3195 14 днів тому +10

    Australia recognises the State of Israel.
    Australia does not recognise any such state of "Palestine", because there is no such nation state.
    I am PROUD to be Australian.
    We must support our friends in Israel in their fight against terrorism.

    • @WeeWeeJumbo
      @WeeWeeJumbo 14 днів тому +2

      typical arrogance of the Anglophone West.
      this situation isn’t about Australia, pipe down already

    • @edpone8600
      @edpone8600 13 днів тому

      I applaud Australia.

  • @cruisemissile2873
    @cruisemissile2873 13 днів тому +10

    Ummm. These are riots. Not protests.

    • @kenlandon6130
      @kenlandon6130 13 днів тому +2

      That's what they said in the 60s.

  • @mauracassidy1762
    @mauracassidy1762 9 днів тому +2

    *THANK YOU STUDENTS !* 👍 *THE LEADERS OF TOMORROW - CARE ABOUT JUSTICE TODAY ! !* 👍

  • @larindanomikos
    @larindanomikos 15 днів тому

    Yes they do.

  • @rafipeled1920
    @rafipeled1920 14 днів тому +7

    Yes, we in Israel begin to see what few of us saw - this operation has been doomed to a failure from the beginning

    • @interdimensionalsteve8172
      @interdimensionalsteve8172 14 днів тому

      Not only a failure, but your insane PM is in the process of making the whole world despise your government. Not a good look. Maybe the next one won't be such a war-mongering religious zealot?

    • @chrisn.6477
      @chrisn.6477 13 днів тому

      Sorry that most Americans don’t agree with Israel’s genocide once they are informed on the issue. Sorry that American Jews are a dominant force in these protests, just like they were in the protests against South African apartheid. ‘Never again’ means just that - there are no footnotes, there is no fine print. Shame on you.

  • @mikeneidlinger8857
    @mikeneidlinger8857 15 днів тому +4

    Everyone loves a little Anti-Genocide Protest.

    • @bayousbambino427
      @bayousbambino427 14 днів тому

      Only the narcissisticly self-righteous imagine a genocide to protest.

    • @zacksmith5963
      @zacksmith5963 13 днів тому

      😂Usa : chinese should protest and rise against their govt .
      Also usa : how dare u protest against your own govt in 🇺🇸

  • @mzk123ify
    @mzk123ify 11 днів тому

    And they wonder why their ratings are in the toilet lol

  • @joep5815
    @joep5815 14 днів тому +1

    Trump and prison, sounds wonderful to me.

  • @MileHile
    @MileHile 15 днів тому +1

    The more panel discussions w/Dean (and Professor) Cobb, Professor Beinart and Alex Wagner, the more informed we all are. Conversations like this are genuinely *helpful*.

  • @user-un3is9ej5h
    @user-un3is9ej5h 8 днів тому +1

    We have the right to protest in this country. You do not the right to commit vandalism, destroying property, you do not have the right to keep other students from freely moving about the campuses, or threaten them when they do. You do not have the right to get in the roads and stop traffic, when you do that you are holding people hostage , and that's illegal. And to the people chanting Death to America, it is very insulting, and infuriating to people that happen to love America, warts and all. So to those that hate America , your welcome to leave any time you like.

  • @Nancy-mi3xe
    @Nancy-mi3xe 15 днів тому +11

    Little college girls wearing keffiya should see Screams Before Silence and know they would've received the same treatment as the girls at the peace concert, by the people their protest is supporting.

    • @reason6835
      @reason6835 15 днів тому +2

      Bullseye 🎯

    • @amywilkerson847
      @amywilkerson847 15 днів тому

      These kids are focused on genocide. Yes- 10/7 was horrible. The truth may never get out on the security breach under Bibi- who supported Hamas since day one. He needs them.

    • @csharpe5787
      @csharpe5787 14 днів тому

      Humanity?

    • @lynnrunningdeer7364
      @lynnrunningdeer7364 14 днів тому

      What are you smoking? The instigators made sure to delegitimize this protest. Just like the civil rites march, the Vietnam war, BLM and now this. They think that the Israelis can genocide these people because of the book of spells😡. These people aren't special and there is no magical skydaddy😡. They're no better than the rest of us.

    • @concerned9027
      @concerned9027 14 днів тому

      And they do not realize 9/11… Al-Qaeda (19) of them accomplished that. Hamas, Isis, Al-Qaeda etc, they hate America as they stated that day on Oct 7th while massacring women and children! They use their own as shields! They can care less who they protest for! I’m afraid with borders opened, people are no doubt here! America best wake up!

  • @SizzleCorndog
    @SizzleCorndog 14 днів тому +1

    So did MSNBC finally get permission to talk about this in the same way that younger people have been for the past 7 months?

  • @millrace32
    @millrace32 14 днів тому +1

    have you spoken about al jazeera's spiritual guide from its inception until now, the recently departed al qaradawi, & his statements regarding the jewish people, israel, & his influence on hamas, please? because it's all very well saying that you want people to be able to voice their opinions, but if you aren't actively helping them to hold considered opinions on the topic in question, & worse, if doing so is actually squarely in your wheelhouse & you're sweeping the issue under the rug, allowing them to act as living conduits / patsies for genocidal cosmic warriors hoping to deny the jewish people any safe space, then you're so far out of line it's mind-blowing

  • @DustyNickelz
    @DustyNickelz 15 днів тому +6

    Democrats for Palestine.🌊🌈🇺🇦💙🇵🇸🇵🇸

  • @AngiePicone3
    @AngiePicone3 14 днів тому +2

    Excellent guests, excellent conversation!

  • @fredhollis3749
    @fredhollis3749 15 днів тому +7

    Why are the city police involved at all?

    • @hardstyle8184
      @hardstyle8184 15 днів тому +1

      BECAUSE THEY WERE CALLED ON BY THE MAYORS AND UNIVERSITY CHAIR. IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY STILL

    • @barackobama9343
      @barackobama9343 15 днів тому

      Because of WHO the "VICIMTS" are ONCE AGAIN!!!

    • @fredhollis3749
      @fredhollis3749 14 днів тому

      @@hardstyle8184 oh yer smart. Why were they needed? It’s a protest

    • @fredhollis3749
      @fredhollis3749 14 днів тому

      @@aaronhelvig9444 feel strongly judgy? It’s a protest on a college campus, what’s the big deal?

  • @mrharpable
    @mrharpable 8 днів тому

    So the Rhodesians were right

  • @lightwillprevail
    @lightwillprevail 15 днів тому +6

    Fantastic panel Alex!! Thank you 👍

  • @secondarycontainment4727
    @secondarycontainment4727 15 днів тому +4

    It stops being protest once the people protesting start breaking laws... no one is above the law - RIGHT?

    • @sandyunderpants4376
      @sandyunderpants4376 15 днів тому

      Only the January 6 protesters.

    • @youngthomasyorke4074
      @youngthomasyorke4074 14 днів тому

      One guy is

    • @WeeWeeJumbo
      @WeeWeeJumbo 14 днів тому

      when you hear the words, ‘civil disobedience,’ do you understand them at all?
      no, huh. you really don’t understand this fundamental element of American history

    • @secondarycontainment4727
      @secondarycontainment4727 14 днів тому

      @@youngthomasyorke4074 Yeah, I remember how they decided that Biden can't be prosecuted for the classified documents he stol for decades and improperly and illegally stored them in many unsecure locations ( most of which he had forgotten about ) - and is above the law because he is Not mentally fit to face prosecution. Remember the big guy?

    • @secondarycontainment4727
      @secondarycontainment4727 14 днів тому

      @@sandyunderpants4376 YOu mean the people that have spent years in jail without a trial? ...them?

  • @kellya4764
    @kellya4764 14 днів тому +1

    Instead of these students protesting and camping out, they should all just band together and vote these politician don't want to listen to them out. And vote for someone that will.

  • @ZoeySaysTransRights
    @ZoeySaysTransRights 15 днів тому +13

    I've not gotten a good answer to this; If anti Zionism is antisemitism, is anti Nazism also anti German?

    • @ZoeySaysTransRights
      @ZoeySaysTransRights 14 днів тому

      ​@@65xrtso If you listen to any leftist one of the things the criticize most is Saudi Arabia and Iran. The issue with these countries is not Islam, it's that they are conservative theocracies. Leftists also call for divestment from Saudi Arabia and for the US Government to stop funding the Saudi war in Yemen.

  • @jordanbingham8711
    @jordanbingham8711 14 днів тому +2

    Great segment Alex

  • @williamblake827
    @williamblake827 14 днів тому +2

    The way liberal cities and liberal campuses allowed this to escalate is on them. Florida did not. Again, evidence of failed leadership, change is needed.

    • @myprettygirl91
      @myprettygirl91 14 днів тому +1

      thats why florida is florida lol try again

    • @williamblake827
      @williamblake827 14 днів тому

      @@myprettygirl91 and why people are moving to Florida and leaving NY and California.

  • @ToriHalfon
    @ToriHalfon 11 днів тому

    Ayman Mohyeldin … mmm wonder what loyalties this guy has? Mother is Palestinian and father is Egyptian. And worked for the “illustrious” Al Jezeera. 😂😂😂

  • @MyWissam
    @MyWissam 11 днів тому

    Biden is an example of an unexamined life. "Bad faith", Sartre would say.

  • @trique9776
    @trique9776 12 днів тому +2

    Holy Bible states over and over that Israel will stand as a nation until the return of Jesus. 144k Jews remaining will repent and trust Jesus as Lord. Now is the time for us to stand with Israel and repent for our sins and trust in Jesus to receive salvation from wrath to come! Amen

  • @melm295
    @melm295 15 днів тому +1

    Tragic? Protesters forced this ending

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo 15 днів тому +8

    Finally, mainstream news media is brave enough to get into the weeds on this issue. The students are right

  • @zhangdonglin1137
    @zhangdonglin1137 13 днів тому

    same as what honhkong happened

  • @PoliticalChaos
    @PoliticalChaos 15 днів тому

    Politics warps the brain and years of diverse human oppression has signaled some uncertain signs among those in leadership roles. Stop dwelling on the past making decisions with your life choices and how you treat people. We all have to shed the past and create a better future for everyone. Doesn't matter how you look or where you come from. It doesn't matter what color your skin is. It doesn't matter if your male female or other. What matters is how you treat people and if your role of authority is doing the right thing for ALL people. Politics can't be one-sided and divided. Unification with global input by the people is how things change for the better.
    Government in chaos and nobody really knows who is in charge. They are following orders from long past dead people who started world wars. They are just covering up the problems and buying time to fix years of corrupted legislation that really never gets fixed. If you want serious change then world leaders need to agree to one thing to begin. Start closing down the monetary system and rapidly converting to a world that operates without money. The government legislation is so complex and twisted that no normal person can understand. It is so easy to use a common tongue language that specifies a description of what it pertains.
    We need more common sense in the government and the people running the country don't know how to simplify to the easiest solution to benefit all. How easy it would be without a budget creating economic chaos and ration resources based on need. It isn't that hard to see what is going on. They don't won't to lose the power of slavery to money because it keeps them in control of everyones lives. The monetary system is a inhumane system of slavery by design.
    Humanities competitive nature of supporting sides is in question now. Sporting events across college campuses, protesting rallies, political election scams to raise money and favoritism, marketing that targets other companies, investing in markets will come into question buying and shorting to manipulate company values, even the president of the united states targets political figures and country leaders with hate and discrimination and so many other things are in uncertainty for the future. Congress rapidly created another law to cover up freedoms. Look closer before you judge any part of this action by the government. It all has to do with money.
    This is the world we live in and some people have difficulty with stressful situations. The world is borderline with so much fear and anxiety over everything it is so sad. It is time to change how we perceive life and create change for everyone.
    The world is in chaos from global climate change, inflation, conflicts, government pressures with human rights, taxes and so many other things. All issues seem to lead to the need for money in the end.
    Its the divide that makes humanity weak. It is the government politics that divides us around the world. Religion and politics has been used to long controlling the people of the world and it has to stop right now. God is a misconception and governments advanced to using politics in the same way to manipulate the people of the world. We are all the same people just a little different from years of oppression. Unity starts by eliminating the need for money. We can become a peaceful world under unity but not dominating with competition. Debating who is right and who is wrong never works and causes chaos and fear. Faith should be in humanity not some belief structure that can't be proven that exist. Look around the world today and say to yourself who really has the power to change lives. Praying for something doesn't do anything but give so psychological benefit. Change happens when people make things happen. We all control our destiny so change it.The problem with government is they are making choices based on dems reps and indep voting. The government needs to be changed completely for the people. These people continue to cause more problems than solutions. An easy solution for the future is a public vote for everything. Abandon the monetary system the world is using for a resource rationing policy without value. Remove the need for money and the world will create easy solutions to problems. The people should have the voice not an autocracy government that manipulates billions of lives on this planet. Public voting online could make decisions rapidly without debating. How to solve climate change and cost of living crisis? simple question to answer. Abandon the monetary system and eliminate the need for money. Easiest solution to change the world. Reduce climate change by canceling the need for money will collapse demand for resources by 90% and halts any more issues with green house gases. The world could literally change to renewables rapidly and close all fossil fuels down. If the solution to fix problems around the world can't be fixed because of money then remove money from every problem on this planet and 99.99% of all problems go away. Like if you agree.
    We don't need a president we need a uniformed global government that every country is apart of that creates stability to meet the resource demand of every human being on the planet. A common sense leadership with smart people that can manage resources not politicians that want power to manipulate. We need professionalism and intelligence in leadership by all countries. People will change and evolve if humanitarian needs are available to all people of the world without the need for money. Money is the corruption in modern society and it we have to say no to the slavery of money. If you go online right now and surf every single negative issue the world faces on a daily basis it all leads to money so why are we still using slave money.

  • @arabiantiger
    @arabiantiger 13 днів тому

    As a Muslim Palestinian American growing up in a post-911 era, my people have endured alot and still are. But these individuals give me so much hope for the future. I was tearing up. It was refreshing. Thank you to everyone speaking sensibly. We have been protesting against massacres in Gaza for decades, along roads under the hot sun only looking to get honks of support. That's all we have been able to muster against the zionist empire. Professors who tried to teach people on the issue would get be jailed, many families were targeted.

  • @dansaintamour6923
    @dansaintamour6923 15 днів тому

    spin the spin

  • @simba8026
    @simba8026 14 днів тому

    Finally some sanity. Thank you Alex wagner for actually airing the truth

  • @brianward4205
    @brianward4205 14 днів тому

    As I start my morning cup of Joe, I am glad to have seen this on MSNBC first thing. Now I will probably hear MSNBC's morning show which grossly contributes to the toxic themes so very well discussed in this segment. 'Wake up' MSNBC to your morning show's negative contributions on this topic.

  • @ReneeKadlubek-gt9qm
    @ReneeKadlubek-gt9qm 14 днів тому

    What meg mccain aaid. Hope dems can fix that bc they are loaing my respect

  • @interdimensionalsteve8172
    @interdimensionalsteve8172 14 днів тому +1

    Trump's existence in politics makes rational discussion on the issues impossible. Get rid of him and let's get back to substance, not the tantrums of a toddler-in-chief.

  • @SilverSprings1997
    @SilverSprings1997 14 днів тому +1

    They didn't like the "academic" responses, because look who currently sits in the House GOP.
    We're lucky they're in double digit IQ territory.

  • @savemoney5111
    @savemoney5111 2 дні тому

    De - Trump

  • @lynnrunningdeer7364
    @lynnrunningdeer7364 14 днів тому +1

    Everyone whines about antisemitism but think it's perfectly acceptable to be antieveryone else. I don't see anyone else who gets this support. They're not the only ones who have been treated horribly😡. No one has stolen their land and there's more of them now than before. Remove their magic status!

  • @AB-xh7cb
    @AB-xh7cb 15 днів тому +1

    I must tell you I voted for Biden last time, but now when I saw this radical left for me it’s worst then the radical right. All I need it’s Trump changing his position on Ukraine and supporting them, and I’m definitely voting for Trump. The Democratic Party is going way far to the left with its ideas and that’s sad.

    • @melm295
      @melm295 15 днів тому +1

      The pro pali movement is anti Democratic Party. It’s one of their public positions. That’s why they protest biden

  • @eldenringer6466
    @eldenringer6466 15 днів тому +3

    10 comments but only 2 showing lol fascism at its finest

  • @Geography.474
    @Geography.474 14 днів тому

    University Rioters;”can you bring us some humanitarian aid”? We’re standing strong like revolutionary soldiers so can you pick me up some Chipotle please? It’s out right.
    Response how about some Cocoo for Cocoa Puffs!!!😆