New Rule: The 'What Were You Thinking' Generation | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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In his editorial New Rule, Bill argues that it's unfair to impose today's "woke" standards on yesterday's art.
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As an Indian, I assure you that not a single one of us was offended by Apu. Please stop feeling offended on our behalf. Thanks 😊
The guy who spearheaded the removal of Apu, by making a movie about it, is an Indian. And I knew a guy, a friend of a friend, and an Indian gentleman, who felt Apu was offensive when I knew him back in the late 90's. So, there are some. I assume there are more. Your point is taken though. I would guess there are more people who aren't offended by Apu, across all cultures, than there are who take offense.
Comedian Hari Kondabolu is of Indian descent and was the one who first planted the seed of this. It just shows that ethnic groups are not monoliths. People are individuals at the end of the day and you just simply can’t please everybody. What it is is these broadcasters and advertising sponsors and even the creative people themselves who are complete bean counters and are afraid to alienate even one single viewer.
Yup, as a jew I feel you, I hate when people get offended on other people's behalf. I laugh at jew jokes from comedians and when they make fun of Mort on Family guy. It's a joke. But no, Karen gets offended because she thinks I "should" be offended.
Thank you , come again.
Felt the same way about the sports teams named after Native people (am native). Redskins was probably not a great name, but keep the symbol, change it to the Warriors, which we absolutely were. Or forget it all. We fought like tough SOB’s, got fucked over and sports team names were never a priority.
The Simpson's characters are all stereotypes, and unabashedly so. That's the point...My God
people are dumb.
Joseph Marak yes even homer one of the main characters is an american stereotype hes fat addicted to donuts and beer and hes stupid
Heck, thinking about it I think Apu is more of a stereotype of convenience store clerks than he is of Indian people, as in most of the jokes involving him were about his job rather than his race if I remember right...
Its because all the other stereotypes were yellow
Correct, even down to the 2.1 kids in the Simpson family. I always thought that Apu was one of the most sensitive portrayal of a stereotype (racial or otherwise) in the show. He's a hard working, diligent manager of a successful business. He's a loving father and husband who has overcome past mistakes to redeem himself. He's proud of his culture and religion and refuses to compromise them to appease other people. I see no other issue other than "he's voiced by a white guy" and, well... that's called acting.
Whoops, guess we just need to scrap the entire show now since stereotypes are no longer allowed to exist or ever be portrayed in media ever again, obviously.
I asked a good friend from India if he thought the Apu character on The Simpsons was offensive. He laughed and said one of his favorite Simpsons scenes was when Apu gasped "oh my god" and his father asked "which one?" My favorite was when Apu stood up at a Springfield City Council meeting and said "I was shot 27 times last year and I almost had to miss a day of work."
@Andrew David , After Apu describes how he was shot, chief wiggum in the background says "cry baby!".
Lol. Correct!
lol
No
@Avadh Patel basking in the reflected glory of someone else's success.
I think this is Maher's best monologue ever. I'm a reluctant fan who thinks sourcing political ideology from comedy programs is problematic. However, our current madness is really making him shine.
And yet here he is over a year later, and he’s commenting on what we should do about the economy, and he didn’t even know the stock market crashed in 2020. How do you not know about the stock market crash when you write jokes about current events?
@@pwilliam255 Typically I would blame his obliviousness on fantastic wealth, but rich people tend to follow the market closely :-/
@@tcorourke2007 typically I would blame his obliviousness on him not knowing what he is talking about. If he didn’t know about the stock market crash, he doesn’t know why the current administration is doing what they are doing. What else is he missing with his other commentary. When someone gets something as wrong as he did, you should stop listening to him talk about politics. Dick jokes only for him. 😆
Wtf how do u know my name
@@pwilliam255 So.....he misses one thing about current events, and he's never allowed to talk about current events ever again? Sounds reasonable.
Smoked on airplanes? We used to smoke in HOSPITALS, Bill.
Indeed they did. What puzzles me is that some doctors are STILL smokers.
The amount of smoking was insane decades ago. Some ballplayers actually relaxed with a cigarette in the dugout waiting for their turn at bat! And late night talk show hosts had ash trays on their desks and would smoke while interviewing guests - who often smoked as well.
Craig Corson Lol, I’m friends with several doctors, and plenty of them do a lot more than just smoke...they can be pretty fun to party with, but pretty hardcore! We all do things that are enjoyable in the moment, but that we know aren’t good for us in the long run - whether it’s eating a box of donuts, smoking a cigarette, or doing a line of coke. Humans are pretty bad at choosing the future over the present, and knowing the negative effects of our actions doesn’t change that.
It's what annoys me.
Last time I was at the hospital, I had to go outside to toke my medicine.
People used to smoke EVERYWHERE! No smoking sections in restaurants were usually separated from the smoking section by fake plants.
"You are tolerating things right now that will make you cringe in 20 years... " damn right, every single one of you
Of us*
Depends on what category of cringe you mean. There's type 1 cringe: Oh god that was just so horribly lame....HOW did that ever entertain us? and type 2 cringe: OMG THAT'S RACIST SEXIST TRANSPHOBIC etc etc....
It is possible I'll suffer from type 1 cringe, but never type 2, because fuck your feelings.
like what?
Something you realize when you get older is that having understanding and sensitivity for other people and their way of life isn't a sign of weakness. When you're young it's all cool to be edgy and think "You can be offended all you fucking want, this is just reality and you can get the fuck over it!" You eventually come to learn your views were just mean-spirited and not wanting to admit that was making you hyper defensive. At some point you reach peak shitlord, where your defensiveness has evolved into a desire to piss off the types of people who originally called you out for using problematic language or acting inappropriately. Most people end up moving past that toxic behavior in their 30s.
No, not everyone are idiot liberals.
"were never finished evolving" what a succinct truthful message thank you, Bill.
Just popped up on my feed. This is the most sane thing I've seen in a year.
I saw Apu as a hard working man reaching goals of a normal society and following his dreams
Kevin Baker That’s why liberals hate him. He’s not demanding reparations.
@@WilliamViets they also don't want handouts
He's also a graduate from Cal-Tech. Calcutta Technical Institute.
And in general probobly one of the most normal characters.
@@kevinbaker8102 your comments are exactly why indians take offense to this
"No matter how woke you are now I promise you you are tolerating things that will make you cringe in 25 years"
Yeah, like woke politics.
And abortion. I’m sure we’ll look back on that and say “we used to murder 3 million babies a year, yikes!”
@@stephenzwart7992 You got 3 months to choose and I'm ok with that. Any more than that and you've crossed a line. That's my view and it won't change.
@Matt Cabe So being woke is the opposite of having to rebuild your worldview.. but why not rebuild them?
Pffft...I don't think we're killing ENOUGH babies. Let's rid the world of freeway traffic. This is why I'm also anti-vaccination.
I won't be surprised if pedophilia will be tolerated in the future. This generation will be judged for withholding sex from children, and demonizing adults who were born with a tendency to be attracted to young boys and girls.
"Should we dig him up and yell at him??" 😂😂😂
I dunno, might be cathartic. Honestly, what harm would it do?
a slogan to spawn a movement..
I have noticed something that saddens me. 3 of my favorite Christmas movies. Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, and Scrooged. That world no longer exists. Standby me , The Sandlot, Fast Times At Ridgemont High. All 3 of these take place I think 50’s 60’s 80’’s. A time when children ran free. In or out I’m not air conditioning the entire neighborhood. We would just go and return for food and drink and sleep. Just to do all over again the next day. Summertime was ripe with adventure. Smoking my first cigarette. Kissing my first girl. I can remember clesning up after a cook out and there were 4 skunked Pabst blue ribbons. I ran them to the creek put them in and covered them with a rock. Later that day me and my friends smoked lucky strikes and drank those skunked beers on a warm summer afternoon. I was 13 at the time. My point is this. That world doesn’t exist anymore. Kids have play dates monitored by helicopter parents. Or they are just staining at their phones or playing video games. There is no more real life adventure for this generation. The story I told was one day of a summer vacation. And I have dozens of different stories like that from my summers as a young man in the 80’s. Ferris said it best. Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and take a look around once in a while it’ll pass you by. What stories are these kids gonna have? Really what are they gonna say. And will it beat a summer day smokin and drinking looking at a playboy skipping rocks. And chillin with my friends. And it’s all true every word. I can still taste that skunked Pabst blue ribbon. I reflect on that memory often in the summer when it’s really hot no breeze and high humidity. It’s funny how the mind works. And it’s funny that some random day from my childhood summer vacation would be burned to to my brain so vividly all these years later. Enjoy your time while you can because one day your gonna wake up and your gonna have back pain, bags under your eyes, a little chub where your 6 pack used to be and grey hair if your lucky to have any at all. And what will your memories be of? Something good I hope.
That was my childhood too, and I wouldn't change it for all the video games in the world!!
Yeah. I was born in the 1990s and miss the innocence and carefree nature at that time. Makes you wonder what happened to cause that paradigm shift.
Born in the 70’s grew up in 80’s / 90’s and wouldn’t change those experiences for the world!!! It WAS A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE! It’s been shit since the 2000’s
I did every single thing you mention above in the 80s and 90s all while watching a brand new industry grow and change through two seperate golden ages.
A thousand thanks for applauding the "sane millennials". Not all of us are lunatics!!
As a genXer, I have 6 millennials under my employ. They are MUCH different than I, but they’re a good bunch and get their jobs done right (even if they don’t want to work more than 30 hours a week).
@@wiggy8912 If you really think it's bad and lazy to want a 30-hour work week, that's sad. And you need to watch this: ua-cam.com/video/p7YZUWEu-x0/v-deo.html
I think you're all wonderful. I'm 70 Ok, now go and save the world! I know you can.
saying millenials are too broad, the proper words are crazy liberals
The American definition of liberal is fucking weird.
If you get offended all the time. Maybe you are the problem....
I can't remember who said it, but there was this little saying.. "If you think everyone is an asshole, maybe it's you who are the asshole."
People who think everything is problematic are likely the problematic ones themselves.
Amen
*Nimh
@@namelessnopony9417 "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day..."
imagine if instead of demanding society changed for them they just did things like ummm idk not watch a cartoon they deem problematic?
"...how we treat animals..."
*THANK YOU, BILL!*
👍👏👌
The fact that a jacket from the 1980s still fit him is truly worth respecting xD
Groundkeeper Willie is portrayed as an angry bitter Scotsman,and as a Scotsman that makes me angry and bitter!!! 😉
So it's a faithful adaption then. XD (I kid of course)
You Scots sure are a contentious people...
@@thirdpowerful1 hahaha
David Kane My grandfather was Scottish and he was indeed angry and bitter, just like Willie.
I know you're kidding, but he's actually based on an old character Dave Thomas from SCTV did in the 80s. He was a Scottish cook named Angus Crock. My sister and I used to love SCTV. It's super funny, you should look it up!
I learned this from the source: Dan Castellaneta who does Willie's voice.
Love this guy, he’s a liberal but not a snowflake
@Johan Vivier or are pandered too by the people in charge of the Democrat party and corporations, the term 'Useful idiots' has never been more apt tbh.
Maher is no "liberal". He's way more honest and progressive than that.
Liberal i think doesn't mean anything anymore. You could call centrist liberals now these days.
He is definitely a snowflake. Having an emotional response to wokeness means you are emotional about nothing that matters lol
A lot of us are like that... you just don't know any of us perhaps 😌
Remember: back then, there was this thing called a "sense of humour".
I was thinking "that jacket doesn't look too bad" till he brought up the shoulder pads lol
Saying Apu is racist is completely out-of-touch. Nothing but a political fashion statement.
These pc warriors are just stupid attention whores with lots of free time
Apu is not a negative stereotype, he's an actual demographic. The first wave of India-owned convenience store/gas stations came about after the Union Carbide tragedy in Bopohl, India which killed a couple thousand people and destroyed the economy surrounding the U/C plant. People of the region who lost loved ones, as well as those simply driven out of business, were offered the opportunity to immigrate to the US and start over owning/managing gas stations. From there, they can generationally chain-migrate. Trump can make all the noise he wants about chain migration, but when have you ever see convenience store families from India do ANYTHING ELSE BUT WORK 7 DAYS A WEEK? Their religion doesn't even demand a "Sabbath" so they pray to their household deities or whatever and put in 12/14-hour days.
I‘m latina and know people who just fit the stereotypes and who (even after 20 years living in Germany) have an accent.
Why is it racist to say people have accents?! It’s really sad that This! is what todays society is so focused about
No, it's stupid
@molly well they should also be offended that Bart was voiced by a woman... To be fair about it.
That Jacket gives me Max Headroom flash backs, and I LIKE IT!!! lol.
Brilianlt brilliant brilliant brilliant!! Thank god for you Bill. Really 🤟🤟
This whole Apu situation reminds me of the furor over Speedy Gonzales. It wasn't even Mexicans complaining, it was uptight white people getting offended on behalf of Mexicans, and they stopped showing his cartoons.
And Mexicans were like, "Hey, don't speak for us! We love Speedy!", and his cartoons were brought back.
awelcruiz What it was was entertainment companies and TV networks trying to self-police itself to please its advertisers and potential viewers it needs for ratings, especially in an age now where we have hundreds of cable channels, as well as streaming services like Hulu and especially Netflix to compete with now. If political correctness wasn't something that was seen as good business, it simply wouldn't be practiced.
Thank you! I was just thinking that and I am mexican! We do love speedy!
Exactly, being an Indian myself, I can't think of any reason as to how anyone would find Apu's character racist.
You know how awkward it feels when you see someone talk while forcing themselves to be as politically correct as possible, trying to sidestep even the mildest of stereotyping.
Racism is in the heart of an individual, not in their words.
BTW, what is this I'm hearing about FRIENDS? Is someone bitching about that fine show too?
It's true. Back in the day, we Indians loved Apu. He was the first Indian character on TV. And let's be real, if you were Indian in America, and you were not a doctor, you probably ran a convenience store.
Shellina Musa and Just for those thinking shellina is being racist, it has to do with how hospitals tended to hire doctors from overseas in places like India over to work for lesser wages then the American trained doctors. The only issue for the Indians and other doctors was that medical school is FUCKING expensive so they tended to be unable to afford American degrees and get paid better right off the bat.
lol that silence when he mentioned Obama being against gay marriage until his second term xD
I know. He is a hero to the far left for legalizing gay marriage and crucified by the far left for the same. In reality he tried like hell to avoid having to take a stand on the issue at all. He even said in his speech legalizing it something to the effect of " We changed the laws so that same sex couples had all the same rights as straight couples, I thought that would be enough..." He was literally just trying to get everyone to shut up so he could get back to work on ending war in the middle east, getting healthcare to the poor, and bailing the country out of its real estate gambling debts. The poor man couldn't win for losing on that issue and it is always listed as one of his major accomplishments whether he wanted to accomplish it or not.
@@mercedesholmes3022 far left?? Obama???!?!?! The man was definitely on the right lol.
Thats actually more relevant as it shows being for it could just be pr
@@nietzchepreacher9477 Can you blame them? The American "far left" is the global centrist or at most, center-left. They're so conservative that having a centrist ideology gets you labelled as a socialist.
Bernie Sanders was always on the right side
Hahahahahaha that BIG joke got me ☠️🤣☠️🙏🏾☠️🤣🙏🏾☠️🤣☠️🤣☠️ I forgot about that.
Truly a master at his craft. Been enjoying your show for years. I watched Politically Incorrect growing up on ABC. Enjoyed this thoroughly! Thanks Bill.
I am Indian and almost 20% of India's population which is around a whooping 200 million grew up watching Simpsons and although Appu was offensive but we loved it.We understood that American comedy is generally offensive,it targets everyone and not just Indians.It's ok....Offense is an essence of comedy.As an Indian I feel offended by an Indian stereotype but at the same time I enjoy a white guy,black,Latino,russian etc stereotypes put into a joke.I have so many relatives and friends who are American citizens,No body really cared about or got offended over Simpsons.Everyone understands that political correctness should stay out of comedy.
Well said. I wish that there were more thoughtful, reasonable people like you in this world.
what concerns me more is I bet that barely any indian cares enough about Apu to be offended and is a very small minority of indians and mostly "woke" people who are offended in their place.
This happened before in Mexico with the character of speedy gonzalez that was took out of TV because it was offensive but not a single Mexican was offended and we even demanded that he should return.
I loved apu. Watching him taught me hard work. All the whites on the show seemed so lazy but, not apu. My only favourite character.
Apu was one of the best & liked characters & now dickheads have killed him off.
To be fair the majority of people that are offended by Apu are White people. Of which they are offended "for the sake of" the people that BELIEVE should be offended. Because no one has their own voice. I suggest you look into the term Baizuo as it pretty much sums up this. As far as me? I'm Irish and i got a hell of a good laugh at groundskeeper Willy. Hell i still hear "Waving the white flag" jokes about french people and i'm part french.
You are 100% correct. One should keep PC out of Comedy. Because comedy at its core is meant to break down things that are hard for use to deal with. And in a era that is perpetually offended we need comedy more than anything.
Jesus this aged perfectly.
Getting used to no audiences, they really slow the pace down with all the laugh pauses
Indeed...from two years on, even.
Don’t use the lords name in vain.
@@idontknowwhattoputhere.3572 Don't be so goddamned uptight
Came here to say the same thing another year later, despite his "25 years from now" comment. So far, it's like fine wine.
The Beatles also sang, "I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man. You better run for your life if you can, little girl. Hide your head in the sand, little girl. Catch you with another man, that's the end, little girl." John was pretty messed up.
Thank God for Bill and his voice of reason!
I'm Indian and not offended by apu political correctness is stupid
That Indian guy who started the complaint about Apu in the first place, was.
@@Foebane72 Despite this, the simspons is a show full of stereotypes. If you are going to get rid of apu, you might as well scrap all the stereotypes. Its ridiculous.
@@Foebane72 People like to pretend to be offended.
Doesn't matter. The NPCs became offended on your behalf. Because reasons.
@@sirbattlecat True. I cannot stand it anymore they are literaly mentally ill they want to attack everything like literaly you cannot make a joke they demmed milk as sexist
I think there are some really outdated ideas in Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice. Someone barrage him on twitter
Mr Banana Peeps basically do. Not through twitter but certainly academic essays.
yup - the literary canon as a record of white male privilege
You bring up a good example: if you read the play, you know that those ideas were objected to by a main character within the play. When it comes to things like racism, sexism, classism etc it’s not that “no one” knew it was wrong. The victims always knew, and have long objected. It’s just that those who benefit from the wrongs use their power to stifle dissent as long as possible.
And someone should tell the ancient Greeks sleeping with young boys is wrong.
Mr Banana
Dont remind the feminists about 'The Taming of The Schrew'
“Just throw shiiiiiiiit”🤣🤣🤣🤣
The “villain in a Batman movie” line deserved a bigger laugh
Isn’t every character in the Simpsons a stereotype?
Remember the epidsoe where Mr. Burns was on Homer's bowling team. ua-cam.com/video/9135thV3Dj0/v-deo.html
simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Stereotypes
Yes, thank you. I said the same thing. Especially the second and third tier characters.
"Isn’t every character in the Simpsons a stereotype?"
Yes.
But we all know if they are of a certain colour, ie not yellow then racism.
grounds keeper willie
Eh, Moe! Whutsa matter? You no talka with yo accent no more!
This story, as told by the late, great Christopher Hitchens, comes to mind after watching this segment:
“When Dr. Samuel Johnson finished his great lexicography, the first real English dictionary, he was visited by various delegations of people to congratulate him, including a delegation of London’s respectable womanhood. The women said, ‘Doctor, we congratulate you on your decision to exclude all indecent words from your dictionary.’ To which Dr. Johnson replied, ‘Ladies, I congratulate you on your persistence in looking them up.’”
Ninja Please My knowledge of this Doc Johnson cat is pretty shallow. Gonn read up on him.
That's pretty great.
Geoff Baumgartner It’s far better coming from Hitch himself. Enjoy:
ua-cam.com/video/HHwvT4Xl5Uo/v-deo.html
Ninja Please sorry, hit by accident.
Ninja Please sorry hit by accident.
Best monologue you’ve done in a while. Bits sad how accurate this is.
As A Conservative, I find Real Time with Bill Maher great!
I hope the audience understands that Bill is talking about them.
How do you know? You dont know the ideology of the audience members.
I think most of Bill's audience does not have this problem.
No, liberals aren't self aware
Sounds like reverse psychology Nort.
Ya know, George Carlin used to tell the audience that he was talking about them, while insulting them and they still used to cheer him on for it. No doubt each one of them was thinking "He's not talking about ME, but about the other toss-pots in the audience!"
Apu was a very sweet character
A well adjusted, successful Indian character whom everyone loved.
Yeah let's get rid of him, it's racist.
Apu is hella good, bangs every woman in Springfield, has a Doctorate's, volunteering firefighter, etc
He also got a doctorate, moved to America to get a better life, loves his wife dearly, is personal friends with Paul Mccartney, and likes making wicker furniture in his free time and discussing where to put it.
Whats more if you want him to represent the most amount of people why not have him be stereotypical.
And had a great voice with The Be Sharps & "Who Needs The Kwik-E-Mart"
Yo Bill Mahr keeping the 80's alive. Dude gonna accidently start a trend!
The clothes I wear today are so simple, it is difficult to think that they would be outdated in the future.
This puts me in mind of the Star Trek episode where McCoy goes back in time and is horrified that in 20th century medicine, "They cut and sew people like garments!" People have always thought that we had things figured out, only to be horrified a little while later and this has been going on for thousands of years. We don't know shit but we LOVE to be self-righteous.
Tom Strutt Great episode "Are you doctors or butchers?"
THE DOCTOR GAVE ME A PILL AND I GREW A NEW KIDNEY!
Actually we do know shit that's we we're criticizing it.
CelestialBloo. Ignorance and criticism are not mutually exclusive.
This dude is a true voice of reason
I am conservative but have been watching him for years.👏🏼👏🏼
Apu was legit one of my favorite Simpsons characters. Everything about him was likeable and he was an intelligent, hardworking, and hilarious.
And unrelentingly decent.
I remember Bill on “Married With Children”. Talk about a show that broke all the PC rules, but because of that , the show became a hit.
It was never that popular though in the grand scheme of things when it originally aired on Fox. It helped a lot that it was one of Fox’s first TV series. If it hadn’t been on Fox in the very beginning of the network, the odds are it would have really struggled or it likely would have not survived the attempted advertiser boycott.
Married with Children....ahh the good old days. Came on after Alf. 😉
2:53 - Back then, the age of consent in Great Britain was 17 (and today it's actually 16).
Yes Sir! - Because = Muslim right?
Yes Sir! 🤞
It never ceases to amaze me how morons can bend absolutely any discussion into "fuck the Muslims".
Obviously the Muslim religion had evolved too.
Obviously it has also changed over time, and still is.
TheYopogo a little, and it is our job to empower reformist activists to speak and promote equality for women, gays, and religious outsiders.
I don't always agree with Bill Maher, but every once in a while he brings forth deep, brilliant philosophical concepts in a humorous way. This is one of those times.
I totally agree!
It depends on whether he has good cocaine or not
WOW found this four years late and is still relevant.
Have not laughed this hard for 3 years 🤣
"Woke" is one of the dumbest terms I've ever heard.
It is used by semi-literate people. They are trying to use the past tense of a verb as an adjective. That is the giveaway that they are dumb.
Surgeon Vault man it's finna woke
It was an old bay area slang term that has since been misappropriated by hipster douchebags.
"Nah-nah, it's 1990, y'all hoes better get woke to these muthafuckin old schools" - Richie Rich (415)
It's new cool kids internet word
We're not "the blacks" but you're otherwise correct.
I either love or hate Bill Maher, and this is where I really love him lol
Same man.
Same.
Same
I like the first part but when he got to the clothes it bothered me. Every generations choice of clothing is not "we think this looks cool" it is "I do not want to look like the people directly before me".
I also was in highschool and college in the 80's and not everyone dressed like that. Some did but many did not. It is just how it was presented 40 years later because as time goes by fewer things stick.
Where do you hate him? Is it when he goes after trump or the Bible?
Even in the eighties, I hated eighties style - clothes, hair and music.
Love this and you, Bill. And YES, you had a great mullet! 😁🙏🌟💗
The Simpsons has been on TV for over 30+ years and y’all just recently decided that Apu was offensive ?
Probably because they were bought by Disney who has become very “woke”
Thats why I thought the 'documentary' was bullshit
This only happened because Hari Kondabolu tried to get himself famous off of being divisive and complaining about Apu.
@@theblackprince9487
TruTV entertained Hari Kondabolu’s desire to be divisive for ratings.
Apu is a deep and well written character, there was nothing wrong with him then and there’s nothing wrong with him now.
Seconded.
I can think of several Simpsons characters that are far more offensive stereotypes.
@@TheOneLichemperor we Mexicans accepted the bee man even if some times it didn't make sense with the dub then why people care so much about the apu stereotype
His character is, so far as I recall, a far less developed one and has fewer redeeming qualities too.
@@TheOneLichemperor groundskeeper willie and bumblebee man to name a few
Apu started out as a representation of the American Dream ... an immigrant who came here, found a job, got a family, and his kids would eventually grow up better off for his efforts.
4 years later, and this speech about the problems with Presentism is still just as relevant.
For those who don't know, Presentism is the practice of judging the past by the standards of the present. Which is like saying Newton was a moron because he wouldn't know how to navigate Facebook on a smartphone. Its a practice used to feel good about your own mediocrity by picking great things from the past and picking at how they're from the past.
I didn’t wear that kind of 80s wear myself, but as an entertainer in that decade I DID wear a jacket like Bill’s!
"You're not a woke. You're just a douchebag." 😁👍Well said, Bill Maher.
The "We are all Apu" campaign must begin. Anyone ever consider the character actually rounded the sharp edges of bigotry? Apu is very likable and may even humanize Indians and their culture for those that may have never even met anyone from India.
THIS!!! I am 100% sure Apu made some racists change their mind. If he only changed ONE racist's mind then the character is worth existing. "Cultural appropriation" when I went in school we were suppose to embrace different cultures, now we arent allowed to do that lmao "cultural appropriation" will only seperate people
I know who Ganesh is because of Apu.
#WeAreAllApu
And I will start my campaign #WeAreAllBumblebeeMan before someone else complains about my mexican stereotype :P
Apu started out as a representation of the American Dream ... an immigrant who came here, found a job, got a family, and his kids would eventually grow up better off for his efforts.
Thank you so much for taking a moment to appreciate the fact that there is decent people my age. I hate living around people who think all young people are ignorant millenials
It might have something to do with the fact that some don't know who the first president was or how many states are in the United States. Its not your fault, the education system has went to hell and caused great harm.
My son will be 31 this month. He's got a good level head on him & so does his wife. There's good & bad in every generation. It's just inevitable.🤷♀️ Everybody running round labeling whole groups of folks that they know nothing about. It's ridiculous imo.
He compresses these monologues with so many great observations and funny remarks.
The problem is context.
People today have to appreciation for or understanding of context.
They don't consider the situation things happened in or the environment and standards surrounding it. Instead they all react like dogs trained to respond to a command. They hear certain trigger-words or phrases, and they just freak out and start barking. They don't consider the situation, the environment, or even why they're barking or what it means; they simply hear/see the trigger-words and immediately flip out. The way they've been trained to react.
And that is why they get called NPCs.
That Pavlovian reflex tho!
Yep, exactly.
This. The best example of this is, if you talked to someone like 50 years ago there's a solid chance they'd call a black person "colored", maybe even call them a negro. That could come out of the mouth of a racist or a civil rights activist, that was just the word. If you don't get the context, you'll assume it's racist. Most people can grasp that, but when it comes to what kinds of jokes are ok, and what those jokes communicate, they're much less comfortable. And then of course, we just learn what we shouldn't do anymore. Taken to the extreme, there's a reason these whiners are the same ones who want Thomas Jefferson erased from public monuments and adoration because he owned slaves. Like every fuckin rich white guy of his age. His other contributions are irrelevant, dude owned slaves.
Ive been using the term 'barking' to describe the noises people make for years. 'NPC' is a new term for me, though. I always just used to use 'hominid' to distinguish them from genuine humans.
As a swede i have zero problems with the Swedish Chef.
The rest of the world - Take notice
Right on! Hör sje bur, man!
NostalgiNorden You are a racist Swedish self hater.
NostalgiNorden I think the Swedish chef may have been seen as a racist portrayal if not for the fact that Jim Henson was himself of Swedish ancestry.
Yorge borge sven da hooven...yahyahyah
I’m Italian and have no problem with Fat Tony
Maher is extremely smart. Super intelligent, funny, and always punching at America to improve. He is not liberal, nor conservative! He is patriotic.
And extremely funny. 👏👏👏
Greets from Germany! You ROCK, Bill! But look how much worse this attitude has become in the meantime!
Just recently started watching Maher And I can’t believe I’ve gone this long. I actually sit for hours and binge watch all of his stuff even from years ago. Love it brilliant man
Same for me, it's been good for my brain and reminds me to stay the course. ❤
Bill wrote this whole segment just so he could wear his old jacket.
He's an insane narcissist.
Severely underrated comment, Kira.
Thanks.
Oh my! The look Andy had on when he agreed with him. I love this man!!! 4:46
Finally a host who’s actually funny , and real 👊🏻
There are times I dislike what he says with a passion but there are times like this I stand and applaud.
Either way I’ve been watching him since before HBO, truth hurts and he don’t play.
He nails everything and everyone for stupidity and being downright wrong
"In '80s, being 'woke' meant you'd had too much cocaine." One of the greatest Bill Maher jokes ever.
I recognise in Bill what I feel myself,complete and utter intolerance for all this insanity.
I literally clapped when he put on the jacket. Like actually clapped. That was such an amazing thing that he did! I love Bill
If these "Woke" people ever see All In The Family their heads will explode.
And then there's "Maude" (giggle)...
Foreals
And there's America
" All In The Family"
Sounds like modern porn
Or any Mel Brooks movie. Or any Frank Zappa song
The best thing about this generation being over-judgemental is it's all recorded for their kids to play back to them.
Yes, this generation is overly judgmental, but how else are we supposed to evolve if the new generation don't challenge what was once tolerated by the old generation.
Duncan Wallace #cringecountry
I think each generation should challenge the previous, but not by being an angry-mob. Unless someone has actually broken the law, a little bit of forgiveness wouldn't hurt.
Millennials will be horrified once their children rebel against them and become Republicans.
For sure it is stupid to wag your finger at "Friends"... Just acknowledge those were the times and move on to your shitty CW drama... I have a DVD copy of the animated Jonny Quest series from the 60's... it is so wrong sometimes but it makes me lol because the creators actually try to promote multi-culturalism yet their 60's naivety and sometimes straight up innocence is there behind the cultural fails.
He looks like Hugh Hefner in that jacket 😂😂
Brilliant, Bill! Excellent combination of an interesting take and hilarious jokes.
You can have your wokeness as long as I'm allowed to have my dark humour.
It seems like forever since I've seen a good comedy noir. I think my favorite might be Fight Club.
Gallows and surreal comedy are things we used to excel at. Not any more though, not since any decent comedy is judged as "inappropriate" and "problematic". I'm not talking about racist comedy like Bernard Manning or even low comedy like the Carry Ons. I'm talking the works of Milligan/ Sellers, Cook, Feldman, Cleese etc. There's a *lot* of good postwar comedy now judged offensive.
We're going back to the days when a comedy just meant anything with a happy ending.
The only wokeness you should have is that you were never woke to begin with.
Your dark humor probably harms women and people of color so fuck your humor
tazzydnc how? Does my dark humor pinch or push them? No? Then shut the fuck up
Did anyone else notice the crickets in the mention of Obama’s backflip on gay marriage
That was literally the best fucking part lol
A response dialogue wasn't programmed for them to be able to react to that.
These are the moments you know 3 things
1. Bill Maher's audience isn't as diverse as it thinks it is
2. Bill Maher does not use applause prompts
3. Bill Maher gives zero fucks
Aye
I was waiting for a follow up punchline that never came. Perhaps they were too.
The whole fucking lot frozen in the headlights. What do we do? Please! SOMEBODY TELLS US HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO THINK, FEEL AND RESPOND TO THAT!!!
@surya sanjay. Thànks!! We need more voices like urs n Bills!!!
Right on, right on👍 Got to keep some kind of perspective about the obsession to be righteously woke. Let's focus on where we're headed from here instead of dredging up "wrongs" of the past 🐛🦋🕊️
Amen. On that note, I'm so tired of people being offended for me. Get a life and you'll realise you're actually being the racist.
Vito Corleone
Whilst in University, some white student berated my friend, a white student for wearing kente cloth on the grounds of African cultural appropriation, despite him being South African. Who was treating who like crap?
I get what you're saying, and yes, we should call out assholes when we see them, but if everything is going to be taken as an offense to races (Halloween costumes, old cartoons and TV shows), maybe we should pull the plug on entertainment.
We're probably on the same page about a lot of this, but I'm not arguing that you did say that, merely pointing out that you were implying I thought it was okay to let people be racist assholes. Would this student have not said anything if he'd *known* the student was South African? Where is the line for this individual?
The reason I specifically mentioned Africa is because the other student specifically mentioned him not being of African descent, to point out his attempt to hide his bias behind a culture wall.
Perhaps we both should have expanded our initial statements.
Think of my stance in the context of the following: "_______ culture should stay with _______ people." The student, instead of attempting a back-and-forth discourse about the young man's fashion choices, attempted to humiliate him. These, in particular, are the types of people I'm calling out in reference to "my little story". Without a doubt, there are times when a call-out is necessary - even more than a call-out, infact - but cherry picking every aspect of another culture is a sort of cultural segregation. The road to hell and all that. Where did I say that it was universal?
Vito Corleone wow, you are denser than a black hole
See, you're forgetting the fact that white people are the saviors of the world and they need to protect the delicate little feelings of their pet minorities. After all, who better to tell us what hurts our feelings than a 20 something with tons money to throw away on a college education that won't get them a job.
The Simpsons has so many stereotypes, such as Groundskeeper Willie, the Italian chef, the evangelical Christian etc etc. So why is Apu the problem? I’m English and in the episode when the Simpsons came to England we all had bad teeth. That’s not offensive, it’s a joke!! Too many people need to get over it.
You’re English and you’re explaining how Indians should feel? Lol.
Gautham Pawnday yeah, why? Do we have a different biological sense of humour, depending on what geographic area we are born?
Gautham Pawnday being Indian myself it's not even Indians complaining about it. It's guilty progressive white people commanding what we should feel is offensive or not. This I personally find more offensive than something that is honestly and upfront Racist. Because they are treating us like victims that need to be protected when we are not. And that treatment is prejudicly based around our ethnic background. I grew up watching the Simpsons knowing it's all tongue and cheek and they're were many episodes that turned Apu into more than a 2 dimensional stereotype character.
PixelatedFox4 well said. I think there’s an episode where apu the sea boat captain and others are part of a bowling team called the stereotypes. The Simpsons should not be taken seriously. I can’t believe I have to point that out....
How many people are really angry about the Simpsons? Maybe 5? This only an issue because 1 person writes something and everyone jumps on it as if "the left" can't take a joke. It's tactics and Bill Maher, and you, are falling for them. Total waste of time.
Bill, no one on planet that I respect more than you ! Your jacket looks like a Hugh Hefner smoky jacket COOL, Keep It Real, As I Know You Will !!!
Narcissistic compassion is like a wrong and a right. They cancel each other out.
Oh my gosh! You forgot Sting & The Police’s “Every Breath You Take”!!! The official stalkers anthem! 😂🤣😂
Every breath you take, every move you make.......I will be watching you......
He says married fans of his would come up to him back then and tell him that song was used in their wedding. And Born In The USA is a pro American song!!!
No that song is fine. It highlights toxic masculinity and the dangers of The Patriarchy (TM).
Truth is, he's never liked that song and has no idea why it is so popular.
Please, there's this French song where the guy just chases her in the street throughout the entirety of the music video.
Rule of thumb: if you are offended by jokes... you have no sense of humor
I had disco pants like that, man I felt cool 😁🤣😂
LOVE WHEN BILL TALKS SENSE!
In fairness to the Beatle the age of consent is 16 in Britain.
@@solosulla9648 wow, never knew that song was written before the late 1800s, the age of consent for the UK has been 16 since 1885, there have been clarifications in the law for other offences that relate to consent but not the age, at least in England and Wales, Scotland had two ages of consent for female (16) and male (14), the only place in the UK that had its consent laws at 17 (at that time) was Northern Ireland but the Beatles were based in England.
@@owensquelch449 hehehe the dude even deleted his comment
That's a win in my books!
Not all heroes wear capes.
Owen Squelch g
@Rikirie That's correct.
Save Apu! He was always one of the best characters on the show.
Charles Lumia
The writers of the show retired him in 2016 after addressing the problem.
@@giantsr1eva RIP Apu
I borrowed the name Anoop from Am.idol. just like it.
So sick of people telling me what to say, think or like. Kick rocks
That jacket looks like the one Klaus schwab wears...
Saying Apu was insensitive, or 80`s sitcoms were politically incorrect, is like saying when you were 5 years old you were so childish.
I think that only people who actually grew up with these, have any validity in saying anything. Hearing some 25 year old, or younger, offended by something from those times? Uhhh who cares what they think? Lol
@@psychedelicfright85 as an 18 year old, I am disgusted by my generation on a daily basis and even though I didn't see any of the 20th century, somehow in my mind I did. I almost exclusively listen to pre 90s music, mainly watch old shows and my favourite comedy groups are Monty Python and Blackadder. I'm not saying I should be accepted into the older generations, just that I think I relate to them more
Was The Breakfast Club a sitcom? I thought it was a movie. I've never seen it because it looks stupid to me.
As a fellow gen z
No, that's not the same thing. That would be saying that the 80's-90's civilization was on a childlike stage and today it's adult. Which it's not.
I dislike his politics, but he's 100 percent right on most of this
Anthony Iuculano How could he be 100% correct on MOST of this? I mean, how much of this was wrong? 10%, 20% maybe 35%? So by your math he is 100% right on most of this and 30% wrong on some of it? SMH!
"100% right on most of this" ? You must be a special kind of stupid... hopefully you're still attending school.
Pretty sure he means he agrees about not judging the past through the lens of current societal expectations
You two near the top must be trolling, obviously for each individual point most of them are 100% right. The others have things he disagrees with.
If you dislike his politics, then don’t take his fake news rants seriously either
I don't think anyone was seriously offended or believes anyone else was actually offended. He read some bs article in the times or some other rag, & since it reinforced his prejudice against Millennials, he decided to rant about it on his show, exasperating a non-issue, like he always does. Hes a lazy hack & it’s getting worse & worse
Soon-to-be-ex-history teacher here. Why am I leaving what I love, you might ask? Because I have two rules in my history class that I will never compromise on, but education as a whole has, and here they are: 1)We never judge anybody from the past by the societal standards of the present, and 2) No one is just one thing - with VERY few exceptions, people are both good and evil and neither cancels out the other. You can be a war hero and the father of your country and also own people as property. Neither cancels out the other and unless you strive to look at historical figures as whole and complex people, all you will ever learn is propaganda.
One of the best NR segments I've seen on here, really nails it.
2.57 - When the Beatles sang "She was just 17..." the age of consent in the UK was SIXTEEN.
Its still 16 lol
It's still a 17 year old... just because something is legal doesn't mean it's right
Phil Gallagher it’s still 16 (for heterosexuals) subject to exceptions where there is a potential for abuse of power, like teacher/student, in which case it’s 18.
@@OblivionEight The Beatles weren't much older than that at the time.
Yes, I know it is STILL 16, I'm English, and capable of using the past tense to describe something that happened in the past, regardless of the current circumstances. So yes, the age of consent in the UK is 16 AND when The Beatles recorded this song it WAS 16.
It's just simple grammar. Try it before jumping on somebody. Particularly if your comment is just an INCORRECT and IRRELEVANT one followed by "lol". It just shows up your own ignorance.