My Tesla Road Trip was much cheaper than my previous Petrol or Diesel Cars. And Faster too!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- You asked for this! A real world costs comparison between my Tesla Model Y Long Range and making the same 300 mile journey in a petrol or diesel car.
I want a wafting trip home after a weekend away. Not only does Autopilot make the trip more relaxing than any other car, I charge it up as I eat lunch. Which saves the time of having to fuel up afterwards.
Cheaper that petrol or diesel. Easier and more relaxing to drive. Quicker door to door. This is Tesla in the Real World.
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Thanks Ian - am picking up my model y tomorrow and your content has been very useful in answering questions and giving me the confidence that my decision was absolutely the right one. Simon
Thanks very much! You’ll have a blast!
I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do (except for Phantom Braking - which, when it happens, and it will, just stomp on the accelerator to cancel it.). I have clocked up 30,000km in 15 months, every where from the deserts of Australia to the rainforests near the Great Barrier Reef (3750km North of Melbourne)... Next we are off to Adelaide, and another 2000km on the odometer.
Hi Ian. I look forward to your Friday broadcast. Always interesting, often scenic. Thanks for all the hard work putting these together. I'm still planning a MY for my 75th.
Many thanks!
@@justgetateslaYou are most welcome.
Good to hear you plan a MY for your 75th, I did it last year for my 75th and now at 76 do not regret it at all.
Used to do Ellon to Middlesbrough a lot last century. You'd think they'd have dualled north from Morpeth by now.
Best thing about the "not a motorways" is no traffic crossing the carriageway as there's no right turns.
Not as safe as real motorways with hard shoulders but about as safe as smart ones.
I think the parking with a roof is there to gather the sunshine to put through the chargers.
Hello Ian, Love your videos, You do more to dispel the FUD about electric vehicles that we're seeing day after day on MSM.
I haven't done any long trips in my EV (MG ZS EV) but you make it look effortless, Thank you.
We had a ZS and loved it. We went to a standard range MY. ZS Doesn’t have the range between stops…but we could still drive 2 - 2.5 hours between stops and that was absolutely fine for nearly every long journey as just 1 or 2 stops max. Enjoy the journey!
Another great video Ian. My first electric vehicle a Tesla MYLR arrives next Wednesday. Have learned a lot about Tesla’s in particular from you and fellow UA-camrs. Thank you ⚡️🚙💨👍🏻
Enjoy your car!
Such a great film. As a M3 owner the ease of Tesla charging is phenonimal. I've driven 21000 miles and electric cost is under £500.00 with home charging. I continually point out empty Tesla SC bays. Love the frankness of your films
Thanks! I think “frankness” upsets some people who insist EVs are bad… 😂
Tesla sell every vehicle they can make
Have. Light a long range model Y and it's the best car I have ever owned ! The range is fantastic and more than we could ever need and it's incredibly accurate. We bought this with our hard earned it's not leased etc and I have 100% confidence in it 👌
Good video again. Thanks for doing this. I’m in the US, but would love to try driving the Tesla in the UK just for fun. Maybe on my next trip
Do it!
Recently took a 2020 Model 3 for a test drive and I am now saving to buy one, should take about 6 months 😊
Hi Ian, haven't watched this yet but I wanted to share my model Y running costs vs my old 3lt diesel Mercedes GLE. Similar sized carrying capacity.
Model Y on 15k miles per year at average just over 3m/kwh. Octopus go (9p/kwh) or solar even less, 3p/mile electricity. Tyres 20k/£984 is 5p/mile. Insurance £689/15k equals 4.6p. Total 12.6p/m (If supercharging approx electricity would be up to 15p/m)
GLE overall average was 26mpg @1.50/l equals 26p/m. Tyres similar 5p/m. Insurance was £604/15k equals 4p/m Servicing 3.5p/m and brakepads 1.3p/m. 39.8p/m
Hi Ray, thanks for this useful info. I'm planning a MY purchase for my 75th and your costs breakdown is very helpful, particularly about insurance. I wish more would cover that aspect. Enjoy your motoring.
Hi Bob, my first year ins was actually £447. I am now 68 living in Cornwall. Try Direct Line, go direct, not through the Tesla link, it is cheaper. You won't regret a model Y, it's a brilliant EV
@@bobuk5722 My insurance cost was AU$1200 for an AU$74,000 Model Y rwd Standard Range.
I've had my Model 3 Refresh for 20 days now. Been driving 1000 miles and it's so effortless. I have no charging at home because I rent apartment but it's never any problem. Have a 40 stall Supercharger 4 minutes from home. No hassle at all taking long trips. Everything just works seamlessly. And the problem everyone complain about that Tesla destroyed the cars removing the stalks... That's total BS. Took me two to three days to catch it. And driving since 1980 I am used to stalks... now I am already used to blink with buttons and change gear on the screen. Going from a hybrid Volvo XC 60 2021 to a computer on wheels has been a brilliant experience. Drove the Volvo the other day when returning it to leasing company...driving without one-pedal-driving is scary. The comments you get about time loss is as you say so corny. Last long trip I took I put in connector after 2 ½ hours driving and when I was in the bathroom 4 minutes later I got the message the car was ready to carry on.
Being told the car is ready to carry on is not the same as being 80% to 95% full (just in case the next charger is broken, and yes, it happens)...
@@greghudson9717 when driving Tesla that’s not an issue. I can see in real time both on display in my car and in my phone app the status of the next charger. I’m told any given time if some of the stalls are broken, and that is close to never it happens, or if they are occupied by others charging their vehicles. If I want to charge the car on any other charging stations I do have to have extra energy because they can be broken or occupied. But as a Tesla owner there’s 99,9% of the times not an issue since we close to never need to use other stations.
Cool! I always like how you present the true facts! Keep going!
3.77 miles per kWh is pretty good going given the relatively cooler temperatures. My Genesis Electrified G80 would be more like 3 miles per kWh in that weather...
About winter tyres.I have got the Nokian Snowproof XL on the MG5.
Handling is totally transformed but range has gone down slightly.Since I don't usually venture more than 100 miles from home it's no problem.Good to see Broxden finally opened up again.
How long was Broxden fenced up?
@@justgetateslaI think it's been over a year but haven't been there for ages.
You call that a ski field. My goodness that's embarrassing. There's more snow on top of the Snowy Mountains in the middle of an Australian summer. But then again we receive more snow in Winter than the Swiss Alps. Thats why I love living here. Tropical rainforest and a monsoon climate up north to massive snow fields down south and everything in between.😊
If you were to calculate the journey out and jorney back it would be far cheaper due to the initial 100% charge at home. So travel out with a full battery, a small top up to arrive at Newcastle, then hotel charge and Perth. Other question would be how much charge did you have left when returning home? You have actually given ICE cars a benefit by working out exactly, whereas your charges may include energy not used.
After around 3 hours in a car, I am ready for a break and my EV charging has always been ready by the time I am. Also bearing in mind that over 90% of my charges are all completed at home at a cost of 7.5p/kWh
Hiya! Thanks for your comments. I’ve worked EV and ICE out the same way - energy consumed. EV is how many kW used on both legs (and only accounting for that cost), ICE is how many litres would have been needed.
You’re absolutely right that home charging makes the whole thing cheaper!
Hello Ian, Tyres! I live in Cumbria, have a VW Touareg 2020, and tow a caravan. I have 2 sets of wheels and tyres. Summer tyres Bridgestone Alenza 001. I have used winter, and all season tyres for many years, not just this car! However, I would recommend Goodyear Ultragrip Performance 8, Winter Tyres. In my opinion an amazingly capable Tyre, especially in snow! Not cheap, but worth every penny. Great videos by the way! Regards, Guy.
Thanks so much!
Bang on with the numbers. I have had a Volvo EV on lease for just over a year. My total motoring costs for a new EV are £50 per month less than my previous owned 8 year old Diesel Jaguar; including insurance, maintenance & reliability. This is what matters to me .. the total cost out of my wallet. And the overall driving experience is better .. whether driving to Amsterdam from Kent or just around Kent.
My Tesla is my 6th full EV………it’s not the most efficient I’ve had, it has some annoying features that others didn’t, it’s expensive compared to my others, the wipers are the worst, phantom braking is a nightmare, insurance is pricey (not as bad as people might believe), ride quality could be better, Musk is a %?@* and the car attracts fools trying to challenge it (I don’t take the bait)…….but….the integrated sat nav/energy graph/journey planning, range, performance, simplicity of advanced tech and so much more…..if you can……just get a Tesla.
I may have been lucky with phantom braking - it really isn't something I get very often! My Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV had to have a recall because of phantom braking
@@justgetatesla And yet PB has been happening for at least 4 years... You would think the problem should have been fixed by now 😞
Well done and said.
Haters gonna hate, no problem. They can continue supporting state finance with their fuel taxes.
Imagine the cost if you were about to charge at home with 7.5p/Kwh :)
Yeah I can’t quite manage that cheap. 10.9p / kWh after clawing back taxes through my company
I’m getting older and need to stop more frequently on long trips(bathroom breaks). So I wouldn’t have an issue with driving a Tesla on a trip. It’s also a good idea because you can walk around and stretch your legs. You also don’t have to charge your car to 100% all the time. I think people don’t understand about this. It is also cheaper than gasoline. Long live Tesla!
I enjoy your “wafting” videos because of all the scenery. I don’t mind it’s in a Tesla. It’s a lot like the Ford model T. Any colour possible as long it’s white and it has four wheels😊. Jokes aside, like the tech not the design of the car. But that’s just personal taste.
I have had better looking cars, let’s put it like that… 👀
It's a Tesla, it's designed to have no design by the children in the IKEA design dept. ;-)
Hi Ian, just to say I enjoyed this video and I still watch regularly. I agree with you on the EV/ICE debate and do not wish to argue so am no good for your ratings.
I don’t want to argue with people! Especially when I am stating facts and evidence and they are countering with opinions! Let’s all debate, but we can only debate with evidence, surely!
I don’t want to argue either. I have a friend with a diesel which does 700 miles between fills and until an EV can do that he is not interested. No argument. Will not listen to any EV facts. I think there are a lot of people who just don’t want to know.
I had diesels for years. I still have petrol. I know how they work. Oddly enough people seem to think I that I don’t
I would but I tow a caravan and the only thing that stops me getting one is there are no charging points for Evs towing unlike America so I have to go petrol hybrid
I wouldn’t want to tow a Caravan with an EV
Thank you for be a proponent of EVs. I assume 99.9% of those with negative comments about EVs are from people who have not been in an EV or or competitors (or haters) in some form or fashion. I usually like to say is it's all in the math: "Electric motors convert over 85 percent of electrical energy into mechanical energy, or motion, compared to less than 40 percent for a gas combustion engine." -- Natural Resources Defense Council
Great video as always. Great minset, ignore the negative comments and take the extra pennies they add with the youtube algo. People complaining about EVs on a channel called 'just get a tesla' is surely a social experiment 😂
I quite enjoy the negative comments! Mostly. But I will try and show facts and reason to counter "I think" and "I've read".
Have just been told the trip would have been cheaper in a diesel. Easy to say! But do the maths and you'd need to be doing 93mpg...
I can't believe that canopy at Broxden is just for parking. What on earth is the point of that? Would have been ideal for charging.
My regular journey leaves the A1 at the Thistly Cross roundabout, at the start of the Expressway. So I rarely drive the bit between there and Abbotsview over the (other) Tyne. Agree that Auto Shenanigans' videos are great. "There is, of course, a button specifically for that" 😀
I can't drive more than 2 hours without a break! Obviously not man enough 😂 And after 2 hours I usually only need about 20 minutes to charge back to 80%
Hello there, enjoying your content. Agree with some of your points.
I commute 700km a week to and from work and do 4000km at work (truck driver). I do some weekend driving too.. so save to say I do around 5000km a week.
I leave the house before every shift with water and a coffee.. I commute and then work 12 hours and drive home. I never stop to buy anything, but diesel.. I only eat once a day😅. My commuter is a diesel pickup.. wouldn’t mind a Tesla, but I get free diesel at work, so the pickup is practical and cheap.. as I regularly cart hay home to my animals.
Last time I did a long roadtrip in my car.. was Melbourne to Perth in 35 hours.. only stopped for food twice…
Would be more relaxing in a Tesla, only problem is.. superchargers don’t cover all of australia yet..
keep up the content
Unlike some of the absolutists that post comments, I know that some people drive non-stop. But *most* people? They stop. I know you have big gaps on charging- have seen a Tesla doing a lap of Australia and some of the stops are “interesting” 😳
@@justgetateslawouldn’t mind a ev Silverado or cybertruck.. but we do need quicker superchargers than 50kw/h or AC charging across the Nullarbor before I could commit to it😅
Seeing your videos and well Macmaster etc from the UK, it’s insane how bad chargers for non teslas are, and australia… well we got the bonus of being a way bigger country with a seriously lagging grid.
I got solar and battery at home… before we got that… we had all our food spoil several times a year.. counted 25 blackouts in under 3 months.. and well just had to do get it
@@justgetatesla Please tell me more... I've done almost half a lap, and need more info please !
In response to your winter tyres I don't think you'll need a full winter tyre, I am also in Aberdeenshire and use 4 season tyres (Mitchell crossclimate ) but you will need to check if they are suitable for a EV due to the extra weight
i look forward to all your vids.was wondering what cameras you use as they are so clear and in thinking of doing my own blogs. thanks in advance
Go Pro Hero 10 and iPhone 15 Pro Max
4 days ago on a nearby country road a collision between two cars left the woman driver of one trapped in her seat, it was not a major collision but her door was jamned and the side of the car a bit of a mess. The firebrigade had to cut her free.
if she had been driving an EV and the battery had been damaged.............?? I have had toast for breakfast, I would NOT have an EV forlove nor money.
Sure! But if she had been driving an ICE and the fuel line had split… Are you saying that fuel cars don’t burn sometimes when they crash?
I've had my model 3 long range rear wheel drive about 5 weeks. Can do nearly all my charging at home with the granny charger at 7.5pkwh.compared to my bmw m140i this is equating cost wise nearly 400 mpg against the bmw on v power fuel. Due to torque and no gears, it feels virtually as quick and ceartainly smoother and quieter. I appreciate evs aren't for everyone, but for me, i dont see me ever driving anything else, apart from the wife's yeti, now and then, but it is good for her muddy farm track for her horses, not tesla territory. Odd occasion of public charging as been no problem.
I delivered a load of firewood in my Tesla rwd to my neighbour... Big mistake, I got bogged in 2 inches of mud. Had to get towed out.
Can't believe you got out of Newcastle so easily, was up the Western bypass on Tuesday and there's still roadworks on the Western bypass after nearly 45 years of driving up to Newcastle.
That’s why I went Central Motorway 😏
@@justgetatesla there’s usually roadworks on the central motorway too……getting from Newcastle Airport to Darlington is always a nightmare.
How dare you not fly from Ben Houchen International Airport
You could have walked to Newcastle (Australia) and back in 45 years ! 🙂
Most people on 300 miles trips they don't stop because it's only less than 150 miles each way and 3 hours drive is often (the stop) and it's within confort brake regulations
Sure! But 300 miles is not 3 hours travel.
@@justgetatesla 300 miles combined 150 miles each way 3 hours each way averaging 50mph, on a Ice car you don't need any stop s there for driving a EV you are being incovinienced from 30 minutes up to 1 hour and 30 minutes if it's a shared stall charger or if vehicle has not preheated the batteries, which might happen if your state of charge is to low
Ok , 150 miles each way and you wouldn’t stop. I would need a charging stop either. In the summer I can do there and back without a charge. What’s all that you are saying about being inconvenienced for 30 minutes or more? Wherever did you get that from? Genuine question - most EVs will do more than 150 miles
My diesel has 820 miles range however it has nothing to do with travelling for 14 hours straight, although we could with multiple drivers sleeping in turns in a Emergency. Husband & Wife driving the same car is very common, it's simply about Choice, when, how long, where to stop, or abort Stops if basics are not met I went from London to Lisbon a 1400 miles trip fully loaded car needed fuel once, I mean we stop 2 or 3x more for family related reasons, however my family picked those stops not the car a Tesla would have needed 7 additional stops a total of 10x Stops, the Notion Tesla 200 miles range is Synched with family Bladers, is ridiculous
Different people, different uses. My wife used to to London - Alicante car trips as a kid. If we were doing it we wouldn't be doing only 2 or 3 stops. And when I have taken mine on all day trips in the Tesla, the stops have synched with feeding stops.
I accept your example as what works for you. Can you accept that may not work for other people? The "nobody stops" idea gets posted a lot. And yet every motorway services seems to be full of cars...
@@justgetatesla I don't mind stopping in fact I stop multiple times
The difference is can choose, where, how long, when & if I should stop
Choosing to stop where you want is different from being forced to stop
Really enjoying your videos, so much so I recently tried out sitting in a Tesla in a shopping centre showroom. One question I have, do you ever find the lack of a speed display behind the wheel or a heads up display a problem? I know the speed is displayed in the top right of the central tablet, but does that not lead to driving and having to glance sideways excessively?
Genuinely it isn’t a problem. You don’t drive with a speedo directly in your line of sight normally - you need to glance down. Relearn the muscle memory to glance left. Takes a minimal time to adjust and then becomes normal. As it is on other cars which have a similar location for a Speedo
I rarely need to look at the speedo because I have an alarm (bongs 5 times) when I exceed the speed limit by more than 2kph. You soon get sick of it, and slow down a bit ;-)
I still want one 🙂
Converted! Tesla incoming in 7 days!
Fantastic!!!
Out of interest, do you now do one-foot-driving and get the full regen?
Great question- no to full one pedal driving. I still get full regen, there is minimal energy recovery into the battery below 8mph
Another wholesome video explaining plain facts.
Thanks for being brave enough to mention the racism aspect, a subject that no one else seems to mention on these channels. I’ve suffered the most appalling racism as a result of driving a Tesla so hopefully you can inject it into future videos as well and get a discussion going 👍
Racism because you drive a Tesla? Or racism because knuckle-draggers will find any reason to attack? I honestly don’t understand the mentality. We’re all people. What does race / religion / nationality / sexuality have to do with anything in 2023? We need to be past all of that.
Many times I’ve had comments about being able to afford my Tesla because I’m a middle aged white man (worse language used). As if I haven’t worked hard all my life to achieve that. Bizarre
@@gavlarrrrr I stuff up the haters by giving them the facts... My Tesla Model Y, my PowerWall2 and Solar panels were all FREE (paid for by the HUGE price rise of the shares I bought many years ago). That usually shuts them up quick smart.
Good if you only home charge, costs twice the price as diesel if you have to use the public chargers. My ev has a 220 mile range…. In the summer… without the air con on. On the motorway my ev gets about 110 miles. I don’t mind taking a break but having to take a break every 80 minutes is a bit boring. Then to have a bill for £25 plus VAT and a “admin charge (thanks shell).
I still like my ev but I think you like yours too much to the point where a debate isn’t going to work with you 😂
Hiya! Why won’t a debate work? I’m curious about some of the things you wrote:
“Twice the price of diesel if you have to use public chargers” - both chargers on this trip are public. And it’s nearly half the price of diesel, not twice the price.
What car are you driving?
As for Shell chargers, I think they are only there to greenwash. Expensive and often broken!
Keep talking!
I think what you've raised is completely valid and illustrates the variation between EV capabilities and derived experience.
When i see road tests of presenters driving EV's, they wax lyrical about the quality of the stitching, how it drives and so on. Whoppee do, that's all dandy when driving but the differentiation is the bit which matters on a longer drive. How far will it go, how reliable will the charge experience be and how fast will it charge?
Any ICE car, literally any from a £500 shitbox to a multimillion car will take roughly the same time to fuel and go roughly the same distance. (Let's not argue between 400/700/900 miles at those numbers it's largely irrelevant.)
However, a long range EV, with a good charge curve, with a fast charge capability on a matching charger and good efficiency is going to be VERY different to a vehicle with a 100 miles range and a 22kWh charger. When a long range vehicle plopped on a "rapid" 50kWh charger with a numpty aiming for a 100% "full" charge is going to be very poor too.
When we had a Nissan Leaf, I wouldn't have attempted a motorway trip beyond single leg range. In 2015, public charging was crap and with only 100 miles range, 20% of that would be 20 miles remaining, except with motorway services at about 20 miles intervals, i'd have wanted to stop at 40 miles or so left, just in case a charger didn't work.
Then charging to 80% would get to 80 miles so really it would be working between 30/40 to 80 miles between stops.
This is where the £500 shitbox Corsa just laughs.
This is what EV drivers need to remember when the "anti EV" types bring up some points. Some are indeed very valid at this time.
It's an evolution, the next decade will be interesting.
Firstly I agree, if you want an EV then the Tesla is by far the best package.
On my second point, I think what the naysayers mean by "my car does 700 miles" is its just one less thing to pay for/stop for/think about/maybe queue for and get annoyed about on a long journey. They of course do stop in their long range ice vehicles but there is no "anxiety" for want of a better word.
Also, looking at those charging bays I'd personally not want to leave my car squashed in tiny spaces during busy periods, but then I am the type of person who parks miles away from anyone to save door dings.
I’ve been in a couple of charging bays that were very tight. Mind you, worst car park ever was Grainger Town in Newcastle. Entry and exit tunnels not built for modern cars. Got my S90 out. Somehow. Without a scratch. Somehow.
In Australia, 700 miles would be 1120km (approx). I laugh at these dickheads because they are spending AU$300 to drive those kilometres. And, they can't be told, so just let them rant ;-)
Hi again Ian, I'm just wondering how this change to EV's is going to affect most of the countries in cental Africa & many under developed countries in Asia that can never have the infrastructure to feed these greedy vehicles. Toyota are developing hydrogen vehicles that they say will annihilate EV's by 2030 & Toyota have been the worlds leading auto engineers for many years now & in fact as you know introduced the first hybrid car in 1997, The Prius. I tend to think they know what they are talking about, what do you think.
I think that Toyota have just pivoted their investment away from hydrogen into batteries. That’s what the company is doing- what you or I say isn’t that important compared to what they are doing.
As for EVs in Africa or other developing parts of the world, it isn’t happening any time soon
How much did you pay for each KWH with your Tesla compared to other EV networks who charge an absolute fortune
Watch to the end of the video - I set out all the costs there
Still waiting for our MY RWD to be delivered.
I can guarantee that my bladder will be making me stop before the cars need to charge.
Wuss! Real people are supposed to drive 700 miles none stop...
Oh OK....your previous....
Many still can do that trip cheaper in theirs diesel ⛽️ cars 🚗 and stress free (range anxiety).
Which diesel would have been cheaper? £23.30 buys 3.205 gallons at the Broxden filling station. So on a 299 mile trip you'd need to be doing 93.3 mpg to be as cheap as the Tesla.
Also, what range anxiety?
@justgetatesla my point is....there is no discounted petrol or diesel..
If you only charge at public chargers that will be "even" comparison....cost time, convenience.
@@ciupak7932His cost comparison was using public chargers compared with fuel prices at Broxden.Home charging can be substantially cheaper.Some public chargers are more expensive than Tesla rates.Non Tesla drivers can get access to certain Tesla chargers.Charge place Scotland prices are similar to Tesla,but their chargers are usually 50 kWh or less.I think his cost comparison was extremely fair and accurate.
This trip was only on public chargers. 25p per kWh at a hotel, 35p per kWh at the supercharger. Neither of these are discounted - the vendor makes a profit. I keep being told that nobody in a fuel car has to choose where to fill up, so let’s use the fuel at the place I stopped as the price comparison
UA-camrs always manage to charge at unprecedented energy prices 🤔
The price per kwh is 30p however he managed to find cheaper in a Public charger which are now costing close 0.80p
The purpose in getting a Tesla rather than not a Tesla is access to superchargers. It is possible to install lots of chargers and not charge 80p a kWh. Tesla do. Why don’t others?
@@justgetatesla charging is not profitable
1 fuel station costs 15k it can serve 50 customers in 1 hour a Charging station costs 60k serves 1 person per hour provided they remembered to preheat🙄, if not it will serve 1 person in 2h they will never get 60k back plus here in UK business rate of electricity costs is 0.80p per kwh only the Government grants make it profitable however grants are not endless
Excellent video ( as ever ).
Did you consider any other makes before opting for the MY?
Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Polestar 2 were the others on the short list. Then I thought “Just Get A Tesla” and an idea for a UA-cam channel was born…
@@justgetateslaan inspired plan. My EV will need a tow bar as I pull a wee boat so the MY is on the shortlist. As is the bigger battery Enyaq.
An observation re the PHEV doing the same trip ( and my current car is an Outlander PHEV so speaking from experience ). You’d also need to factor in a refuelling stop for that total mileage.
I’ve had range anxiety in my PHEV, specially on long overnight drives back to Orkney. I’m just glad there is a 24 hour garage in Inverness.
I had both drivetrains in two Outlander PHEVs - 2.0l / 12kWh and 2.4l / 13.8kWh. The latter was better on fuel, but ludicrously small fuel tank meant fuel stops as you describe. Even on Diesel I would plan refuelling off the motorway. So I don’t understand the comments people make about never planning fuel stops. Do they pay 30% more on the motorway?
just tell it like it is
I enjoy your videos, with some I agree, with some not. I'm glad you are not in the business to tell people to drop ICE cars and replace it with EV. Some youtubers are very annoying because of this. Let everyone enjoy what they want.
I slightly disagree with people who say its expensive to run EV, it's a lot cheaper if you charge at home on a good tariff. But I love my ICE car, I love shifting and hearing the engine and would not buy EV for some time. I can't home charge and the infrastructure is a joke. What needs to be mentioned is the price of the EV, which is £10K more then ICE car, combined with the higher insurance and the tax levy coming on 01.04.2025 makes EV very expensive, at least to me. People say how cheap its to run EV's, but forget that they are a lot more expensive and charge mainly at home.
I do enjoy your videos and think only Tesla is worth buying if someone has to charge publicly, their network is simply the best. Gridserve raised their price to 79p/kwh, my local BP Puls is 85p/kwh without membership, 69p with it. I see electricity heading for a £1/kwh in the near future.
Thanks for the comments! And for the people who love the engine noise I totally understand! I adored my 3-pot Mini Cooper…
The are phone Apps that can give you the sound of all sorts of cars. Take your pick.
In the last week an MP has recommended that we have alternative resources in case of power failure. Any thoughts on managing your EV in these circumstances if you are not at home
If I’m at home? Use the other car. If I’m not at home? Get stuck. Point is that it would need to be a total grid failure for the scenario you suggest. Which means no power for petrol pumps and traffic lights.
We’d all be stuck
There is a solution (I have it installed at my home)... First get solar panels, next get a battery (I have a Tesla PowerWall2). It has enough capacity to run the house for a couple of days (excluding aircon). I'm the only home in my vicinity with the lights on during a grid outage...
Add we come out of the new technology honeymoon period reality is starting to bite. What people need to take into account in running costs are depreciation and service costs. While all main brands charge ridiculous prices for servicing...Tesla is far above. Secondly depreciation is starting to reflect the truth that at 10 years you will be facing a full battery replacement which will make the car worthless. Thete are horror stories already out there with perfectly decent cars being scrapped.
Two points. There are no service costs with Tesla. And with 10 year old Nissan Leaf’s on old battery technology still running around, there is no reason to assume Tesla won’t be. Some already already nearly that old and still going. Mechanically they are much simpler than ICE, and the “battery will die” lie which you’ve all swallowed isn’t real
im heading to Edinburgh from bristol on friday 371 miles in one hit in my hybrid ...care to join me? last fill up if fuel in mine was 38 and that gave me 489 miles...and yes i will have my dash cam to prove im not cheating
@@justgetatesla don't know what mats or fuel price your using but here it works out to 76mpg
@@justgetatesla my current fuel price here is 1.38 per litre and my tank is a 28 litre tank
Sorry, missed the word hybrid. Which one have you got? We had an Ioniq HEV and it was really good. Never got north of 60mpg on a long run though
@@justgetatesla I have to Toyota corolla hybrid 2019 that's the icon version with the nimh battery this time I side stepped the leather seat and panoramic roof due to the extra weight and cost, i bought this one second hand in 2020 for 19k ... It's got everything except self drive and currently on 55000 miles and still does the real world quoted mpg that Toyota state on their web pages and is on its second set of front tyres and still on the original rear tyres, i will be completely honest with you and its unbiased towards every EV owner is my family are farmers in the UK and USA and after reading an online research document we dont agree with the destruction caused by mining and brine fields for the lithium for the batteries and thats why we have stuck with this car and kept the wifes petrol car
but i hope you have stress free motoring from your car 🙂
I've driven a few cars with that HSD drivetrain. Toyota have done very well with it - sold vast numbers of cars. No wonder they wanted to hold onto it as long as they did! As with EVs there are fewer parts to go wrong, combine that with Japanese reliability and its no wonder then run and run and run.
Unless the infrastructure keeps up with EV sales then EV sales will slide - as we're seeing already. However the infrastructure issue will reach a critical point where the Government know they can start taxing EV owners the way ICE owners are stung - and then the EV world will realise there's probably ZERO difference between the two types of transport. The issues relating to 'environment or climate' is utter BS and need to be discounted.
Taxation is a Mega Issue.
Yep just get one , pop out and just spend 50K or so.
People do! Is the objection to £50k cars or just mine?
Yeah no objection it’s just awful lot of money
It is! Though in my case it was buy the car or pay the tax man…
It looked like your charge limit was set to 93%. I’ve seen a lot about limiting the charge to 80-90% do you tend to up this in the winter due to the cold weather effects on the battery and range?
Usually set to 80%. Occasionally pushed to more depending on what I am doing
There is a lot of misunderstanding on charge limits. There is nothing wrong with charging up to 100% if you are planning to use the car just after completion. It's not great for it to sit at 100% for long periods. But It's better for the longer term battery health to charge is on 'normal' days to 80%'ish
That being said if you have an LFP battery, as used in RWD Tesla models, then they need to be charged up to 100% at least every week. This is due to the battery chemistry and there is very little difference between the voltage of a full battery and empty, so it needs a 100% charge to calibrate the range effectively. If you don't charge an LFP battery to 100% it loses track of what the SoC is.
As an aside I have the car set to charge to 97%, but I use my OVO app to stop it when it gets to 80%. That way if I'm out on a run I only need to change one setting in the OVO app to go to the upper limit and don't need to change the car setting.
@@craigmck7271 thank you! Just taken delivery of a MY long range, great tip about the limit on the car and one on the home charger. Will be doing that once it’s installed.
I have my Model Y with LFP (rwd, chinese built) set to 100% at all times. It is topped up to 100% almost every day. Don't try this with a Long Range of Performance - they have NMC batteries...
Hi Ian, Love your presentation style. Very watchable! I do watch because I'd love you to convert me but sorry I find your comparisons are flawed again. Think I might have been one of the first to excitedly visit the first Tesla micro showroom in our area shortly after Tesla came to the UK(essentially a retail shop unit in the local town centre). I was enthused about Tesla because as an electro mechanical engineer I really wanted to love EVs and as my E class was coming up to 3 years old it was ready to be exchanged. But I came away totally deflated so 'just got a new e Class' and I have not been able to see the sense of EVs since, even Tesla, although the software is impressive. Getting back to it, I have to say, sorry but I find your journey cost comparison questionable. I'm sure you would agree that as more people drive EVs the Gov. will have to find alternative ways of sticking fuel duty and VAT at us. Your comparison ignores that fact and as we don't know how fuel duty and VAT will be recouped from EV drivers the only way to presently compare apples with apples is to deduct 20% vat from the total pump price of ICE fuel then from that sum deduct the 53p per ltr fuel duty. You will then have the (present) base fuel cost. To compare with charging at home add 5% vat and to compare with a public charging journey costs add 20%. As it is my present Merc diesel is cleaner than petrol and on a run like that one, in Eco mode, I would expect to see 70 (plus) mpg. But lets say it's having a really bad day and only makes 65mpg, less fuel duty plus 5% vat it would have done your 299 trip for approx £14.50 and using a public charger comparisons of 20% vat approx £17.00. So considering that at least the same amount of fuel duty will (at some point, one way or the other) have to be recouped for EV charging perhaps you should just get a Merc.😉Just joking I know you love your Tesla and long may you enjoy it.
So if we change the tax regime in favour of diesel, that is cheaper? True - but they haven’t and won’t. Here and now EV is significantly cheaper than either petrol or diesel - at least for Tesla. Jack up electricity prices on Ionity or similar and perhaps it would closer
@@justgetateslaHere and now prices are exactly the point I was making Ian. You were comparing to older bad examples S90s never were economical and a PHEV Mitsubishi, well you have to say not really the best of a bad bunch was/is it 'cos all PHEVs are pretty much impractical except for running about local so where's the sense in a PHEV Outlander for a long distance man like yourself. If we are going to get real I know that, on that kind of run I could expect to see 75mpg returned in Eco mode (that's both in summer and deepest winter and I'm not burning fuel to keep warm run the wipers or have the lights on etc.) which, providing my calculator hasn't got a sticky button would have cost 27 quid with duty and 20%, for that extra 3 quid I know which wheel I would pefer to be behind. I just fill it up and forget it. No need to have an onboard flight plan computer or plan my stops around charging halts. Plus when HMRC turns it's beady eye on EV drivers my chin won't hit the floor either. But hey! each to their own, if a Tesla suits you then enjoy it buddy, That's all that matters. Meantime I'm just about to order my next Merc. with even better claimed WLTP than my present one. That's why I've been looking at UA-cam real life EV experiences and to be honest you do seem to be in a minority. So I doubt I'll be changing my mind anytime soon. But good luck to you. Enjoy your Tesla and keep the videos coming they are entertaining.🙂 ...
(PS I can actually buy Shell locally 3p per litre cheaper than the national average used to work out the above which must include the Motorway rip offs that I never need to use and that chips away even more at the above journey cost differential )
Well I can only go off what people tell me. “Just get a diesel” they say. Ran them for literally decades. I know diesel. An example. 520d got 47mpg average. But if I trundled along it would beat 60mpg. Don’t tell me you are cruising at the speeds I was cruising at and still getting 70+mpg. But different cars at differently times and different drivers - it’s a debate
@@justgetatesla I normally set the speed limiter to 75 on a run. If cruising at 70 you sometimes need that bit extra to get out of trouble but then won't trip a camera at 75 if you are unlucky enough to have to put a spurt on just as you pass a camera. You have to remember that both the e Class and the c Class have 9 gears and in Eco mode utilise 'Glide Mode' as well as tweaking the engine management and have done for a good few years now. The new models have Active Glide Mode which is a bit like the regen mode on an EV but then not really just a similar idea. 9th gear trips in at about 70mph and is like an old fashioned overdrive. In reality you need to be cruising at about 72 for it to be happy and stay in 9th but when its there the engine is only just above tick over. It'll change down to 8 if you let it drop to around 67ish. A few times now I have driven from West Midlands to Cornwall and seen 84 mpg recorded on the 'From Start' readout and that has been reflected in the fuel used. Must have had tail winds I reckon but it'll return mid 70s regularly. To be honest if I am forced to drive in the upper 60mph range before it can change up to 9th ecomony does drop and that can be seen on the instant fuel read out it, but it's nowhere near as drastic as a 7 speed box or 5 gears. Can't even imagine how they could work properly with 5 only gears, how things move on!. It then gets very ecomonical again at 60 or just above. But yes cruising as you were on that Tyne Side run looked to be the ideal for getting best economy out of the e Class in Eco mode. But! You are obviously as happy as Larry (whoever he is) with your Tesla so stick with it, at least until the tax man cometh for his pound of EV flesh.
You must be doing a remarkable job with your Mercs to be getting that mpg at those cruising speeds. Can you accept that most drivers wouldn’t? We need to compare every day usage. Your mpg on a run is better than the manufacturer claim isn’t it? And they do their claims on a rolling road. So how are you getting it - not a PHEV is it?
12 yr old Audi S3, V-Power, mapped engine, 25p a mile 😆 £74.75 😉cheap at half the price! Cheers Ian 🍻😄
As long as you have fun it’s worth the cash!
but for a lot of people unless they buy a house with a drive or garage having an EV is just not an option, The majority of the U.K just dose not have the capability for EV's To replace petrol or diesel cars and i cant see that changing for at least the next 50+ years.
Currently 40% of the UK don’t have access to a drive or off street parking. That’s a real issue to EV rollout and that can’t be denied but you said the majority of?! The majority do have the ability to have an EV! 60% is definitely a majority. I’m not ignoring the 40% because they need affordable charging as much and probably more than the 60%. That’s going to be the challenge for the next decade.
It’s a genuine issue. It will be the majority in certain parts of certain towns / cities. But not remotely an issue anywhere else
Fair point. Many foke have EVs as company cars as I do. The 2% BIK and driveway made it a no brainier for me. I also really enjoy the Y apart from the terrible auto wipers. The long trips I’ve done have been fine. And just Ian says. When I retire would I buy one.? Well, Yes, once its lost the horrific depreciation in the first 3 years.
Yep, it’s a significant issue to getting cheap rate electricity in your car. Range wise, charging up once a week is usually enough for most people…..but again not great at 50p+/kWh. EV evangelists need to acknowledge this regularly as it really annoys those who feel (wrongly…because of fossil fuel bias) that they’ll be forced to change.
@@ianjames3078yes agree. Currently I pay 5% vat on my electric, just as everyone in the UK does but you charge on a public charger it's charged at 20%. That needs addressing.
No issues with people who want or can afford EVs, the main issue is with the politicians from all parties trying to force us into them and not allowing people to have a choice in a few years time
Who is forcing you into an EV? You will still be able to buy a petrol, diesel or hybrid for the next 75+ years, just not a new one. Think yourself lucky, you will not be able to buy a new petrol or diesel car in Norway from 2025, you’ve got until 2035 here and in most of Europe. BTW I’m a diesel car driver who also owns a very small, short range EV that suits my driving needs to a T but need a big 4x4 for towing and farm duties, as soon as I can find a suitable electric 4x4 work horse that is economically viable and can handle the occasional trip over 150 miles round trip I will change.
@@timoliver8940err not being able to buy a new one is being forced ffs
@@user-oz4mx1di7t generally anything that is bad for your health or environment will get a ban eventually, and diesel and petrol is on the top of the polluting list, we just have to accept it. It's the price of progress.
Just get a £53k tesla and brag about cheaper trips. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@timoliver8940 75 years yeah don't think that will happen those in power won't let that happen
Why not get all seasons tyres?
Its an option! Currently running my OEM summers longer. As no tyres - All Season or Winter - are available at the moment
@@justgetateslaI've got the same on my LR model Y but I'm almost at the limit and I've only done 14,896miles. How many miles have you had out of your?
@@justgetatesla Ha you're not kidding! I was tempted back in October with an offer but for me it was too soon. Can't find anything right now. I saw some Vredestein Quadrac Pro's which lasted all of a day and how gone again.
It feels like the entire Model Y community has bought up all the Continental All season tyres.
26k and loads of life left on the tyres
@@justgetatesla how many time have you rotated your tyres?
Not according to the youtuber modern heroes
I did on one trip in one car. He did another trip in another car… 🙄
How do you manage 250ish Wh/mile?
Not on every trip! But you can waft these things along.
My model 3 LFP rear wheel drive has averaged 215 wh/mile over the last 20 months
@@Sp_75-76 I have mylr and i hardly ever see under 300wh/mile. I know it’s winter and i do have the heating on at 20.
@@justgetatesla I’ve noticed in the cold and on the motorway at 70-75 in the cold
weather -2 I was only getting 55% of epa range
My MY is on 250Wh/mile after 16,000 miles. We do drive a lot of local trips and short, 40 mile freeway trips, with the odd longer road trip. I tend not to exceed the speed limits by much, just to make the trips a bit more relaxing. It’s become a bit of a mission to try and maintain it at 250Wh/mile.
Just get a £53k tesla and brag about cheaper trips. The standard tesla fan boy argument. If cheap is what you are after, then don't get a £53k car.
The cheapest car is the car you own. But we all buy cars. Because we like something different.
thanks for the information, I myself and looking at telsa as I spend approx. £200 per month on a ICE car and I only get about 180 miles. and if I want to a supercharger ( No Home Charging ) and paid 45p then I will be looking at £100 per month
Exactly! Much cheaper to run. Plus no maintenance costs