LG C4 OLED 𝗟𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗘𝗗! Is It The Bomb?
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2023
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MLA is the only upgrade I’m interested in, if not C4 then hopefully C5
Exactly! LG has to step up their game, they either have to put MLA on the C-series or make it significantly cheaper otherwise everyone will (and should!) buy the Samsung S90C/D (maybe there will even be a Sony A80L with QD-Oled?)
In the UK you can get Samsung S95C for around £1350 for 55inch. Which is way better compared to LG C3.
i think they put a "c" serie with MLA when will have a real new tech upgrade (like a heatsink, evo or mla).
it's actually insane how my C1 went from state of the art in 2021 to bargain bin garbage junk in such a short time. Feelsbadman.
@@mickeyneo4228 Yeah, if the put MLA on the C-series they would end up like the years before the evo-panels, where the G-seies had the exact same panel and SoC (= the same PQ) as the C-series. If that's the case, noone will buy the G-series since the C-series would be pretty much the same besides the design.
Sure, they could restrict the brightness of the C-series and only put the heatsink in the G- series but that would probably still leave the C-series with 90-95% of the picture quality of the flaggship - which isn't a good business strategy if you want your cusotmers to pay top dollar for the flaggship model.
LGs problem is the competition though, Samsung's QD-Oled really stirred the pot and the S90C provides insane value. Actually, Samsung kinda has the problem I just described; the S90C is way to good for anyone to pay more to buy the S95C.
I wish they'd bring back BFI on a 25% frame at (at least) 120hz like in the good old days of the CX/GX.
Yes absolutely 10000 times this. It sucks to be stuck on the C1 just because of this... Been playing at 100 and 120fps a lot more than I excepted and I can't go back to lower motion clarity from the C2 onward, heh
@@astreakaito5625wasn't the C1 the first to drop BFI support above 60hz though?
@@HeloisGevitI’m pretty sure it is.
@@ATK. I wonder what astreakaito5625 is talking about then
@@HeloisGevit The C2 is the first series to drop BFI at 100/120hz.
I went out of my way to get a GX (for my bedroom, with its highest motion clarity out of any OLED) and a G1 (for my home theater, slightly lower motion clarity at BFI high, but the EVO panel being brighter making it a more well-rounded TV).
Case and point, having the option for a very aggressive BFI at high refresh rate, taking advantage of the noticeably brighter modern OLED panels, would be a dream for anyone who understand motion clarity.
Thank you for always giving us your TV knowledge 🙏
Thanks man, I appreciate you bringing these updates and news to us.
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Still enjoying my Lg 55 C7. Don't game on it but still find it very bright and the picture still amazes me.
They should implement Displayport 2.1 and support 4K @ 240hz
or do 1080p 240hz like TCL c745 and c845
Not compatible with PS5 or Xbox Series X
@@RobertK1993PCs do, and next gen consoles might.
That's a niche within a niche and unnecessarily increasing the price for the vast majority of people. If you want 4K 240hz, wait for next year's monitors offerings. 4K 120hz is fine for now since that's what consoles support.
@@DanielMendozaDevOnly AMD graphics cards support DisplayPort 2.1.
Not Nvidia for the time being until the RTX 5000 cards launch.
Every next year, it becomes more and more disappointing that C-series TVs haven't got a significant brightness boost for a very long time. There is not that much of an incentive to upgrade to new models unless your old one breaks or gets a burn-in.
No point upgrading every year. My C1 is great and will be great for a few more years.
Because OLED is at it's last legs, it's almost as good as it can get. If you want better displays it's Micro-LED that will give it to ya.
@@owlmostdead9492micro led ?
Lol,
Oled and QD oled are king
Good point C9 here no reason to upgrade!
Samsung will soon change that with QD OLED. S90C is already a better buy than C3. If nothing changes next year people will go Samsung S90D rather than C4.
The most important reason to aim for 144Hz isn't PC gaming.
It's so you can perfectly display 24fps content with 3:3 BFI to properly emulate the function of a film projector.
That's the question you need to be asking Sony and LG among others.
BFI implementation has been shoddy at best with so many modern sets. If they can do it right, that would be a game changer.
CX OLED 55 has the best BFI at 120hz, here's to hoping the 2024 set will fix this
@@lifelfefix what? You said the CX is flawless at 120hz bfi
120Hz BFI beats out 240Hz sample and hold in motion clarity also picture quality which feels close to 300Fps, referring to the newer sets of televisions which excluded 120hz BFI only offering 60hz BFI as a cost cutting measure or pure lazyness because people don't know how to use it properly in a supposed low-latency "GAMING TELEVISION" as coined by users. Newer sets introduced the MLA array, which significantly brightens the OLED which is there offer appeal in contrast to the lower nits of previous sets, but now users won't get 120hz BFI for the foreseeable future out on the newest features of the better panel and upgraded processing which is unfortunate because that would be the perfect combination
I hope the 144Hz extends to the 48 and 42 inch models so those of us using as a monitor can take advantage.
Hey, there’s some of us using the 55” and 65” as computer monitors as well! Although the only games I could really handle that close to the 65” were flight/space sims
It will, I can guarantee that's the whole reason they are doing it. They know the smaller sizes are loved in the monitor world. The refresh rates barely matter for TV people and most home theater receivers don't even support 120hz yet. Their bump to 144hz is almost solely focused at PC people.
I believe the first OLED TVs in LG's range with the current designator was the B6, C6, E6. So in 3 years time I wonder what the naming convention will be.
Haha I posted the same question. It's more interesting than 144hz
I wouldn't mind LG keep all of the most advanced tech (MLA, heatsink) to their flagship Gallery-series. Can you at least off the G-series in a smaller 42-48 inches? I'll gladly pay 50 percent, maybe even double the price of my C2 if I get the G-series with all of the bell and whistles.
Yeah, not offering MLA and heatsink in 42" with a foot stand is a major bummer. I would definitely be interested in such a product.
They just let us to use our 42" CX-1-2 until it dies.
I'd take my C1's BFI 120FPS any day over 1.39ms frame time improvements.
I also very much enjoy 120hz BFI on my cx and am sad they took it out for C2-and-onward. Its nice that I only have to render 120 fps but get the motion clarity of 240 fps. Its nice even just scrolling through web pages.
Since you have to manually switch between BFI or gsync and can't use both at the same time.... i usually just stick to BFI except for games like flight sim 2020 that I can't render at a reliable 120 fps.
That all said, I'll be looking forward to the Asus ROG 4k 32" 240hz QD-OLED - if it gets good reviews and doesn't cost a millionty dollars I'd love to go back to a more "normal" sized monitor that doesn't require my speakers awkwardly placed at the very edges of my desk.
Deffo gonna try to cop a 65"+ C3 if the prices drop enough :)
I was on the fence for replacing my old 65 B6, so 77 G3 it is then !
Thank you for your ceaseless, high quality coverage of the cutting edge tv landscape !
You are going to be blown away by this upgrade.
@@BTCKYLE I hope so, looking forward to it !!!
@dan9700 but B6 to G3 is a much, much, much bigger upgrade.
@@eliotwilliams4279 that was the point yes thank you 🙏
@@dan9700 CX is still a good OLED tv by any measure I can see why you weren’t « blown away » by the G3, but coming from an almost 8 years old B6, I guess my experience will be somewhat different
I recently bought a C3 65” after owning a Sony Bravia 48” for about 8 years. The C3 is absolutely amazing, for games and movies it’s like a whole new experience.
I just bought the C3 42" a couple of days ago as a replacement for my bedroom television and I find the blacks too dark, especially during dark scenes in movies/tv shows. I've adjusted my settings, but it's still an issue. Are you having this problem?
@@AlexJones0316check the black level settings on the device you're playing the movie from, and the tv to make sure they match
@@AlexJones0316Check black level test in lagom lcd site. If you cant see second row (ideally first should also be barely visible) then yes you got a problem. Try changing gamma of the tv
@@AlexJones0316 - That is one of the main points of OLEDs. If you don't like true blacks you should go with a regular LCD that offer dark grays instead of inky blacks.
But that said maybe the issue is settings like the other reply said, but if this is your first OLED then I suspect its just you are used to the dark gray blacks of a regular LCD.
I'm still rocking the CX and loving it
Damn, every year I keep waiting to get a new C series because I hope for a major upgrade compared to the C9, but every year it remains clear I should have just gotten the C9...
Love my C9 55". PS5 games look great! I'm still on the fence with upgrading?
Lack of MLA on the C4 isn’t surprising. The question is whether the 83” G4 will get one. That’s what I’m holding out for
Thanks Vinnie!!! Always awesome!
Any leaks on the G4 sizes? Will there be an 83 inch (or larger) G4? If G3 had MLA, would have pulled the trigger this year. Hoping Sony or LG makes an 80+ inch (w/ MLA) next year.
i'm waiting for the LG C7...thats gonna rock
i already have that model at home 🤣
if they made LG CR7 the TV would kick ball
SAME!
I already have an LG C7, as many others
I still have an LG C9. The only issue that I have is that it's got a few dead pixels at the top-center edges of the screen, but it's not that noticeable. It still works fine though!
How visible they are when watching a movie. On a dark background or light. I bought an ordinary LED monitor for a computer that had two pixels that did not work. White pixels were visible on a black background. I couldn't stand it in any way, sent it back to the store.
Got a 65” C9 and a 55” CX, both still great but honestly my C9 looks the best.
@@ddrreeaammeerr1They're tiny black dead pixels. It's noticeable when you're extremely close to the TV and during white backgrounds. I have a 65" TV size. I sit 15 feet away from it. The dead pixels are only around the edges of the TV, so I don't think it's a big deal, but it kinda sucks. I bought my LG C9 way back in December 2019. I did get a 3-year warranty, but it had already expired, and sadly these dead pixels started appearing around June 2023. I only use it for gaming.
Same, still on a 77" C9. I have been looking at upgrading, but I wanted an 88", then LG limited 88" to only their 8K flagship. So, I was like, "Fine, 83 inch it is" and LG in its infinite wisdom stopped MLA at 77".
So, here I am maybe waiting until the G5, because god knows what stupidity we'll get this year with the G4. Or, maybe Samsung will finally sway me.
LG, please give us 120hz BFI back! Day 1 insta-buy if you bring it back.
Some explosive puns this time Vincent. They landed with a bang.
I’m only interested in upgrading my current C1 when a new C model gets MLA technology, maybe C5 if I’m lucky.
I still get blown away by the C1 when I’m gaming
@@mathewsbusiness1263The same, it’s just amazing to game on, also why i don’t see any reason to upgrade before a new C model with MLA tech gets introduced.
I read on Korean websites that the LG C4 OLED will also have MLA technology and will have 1300 nits brightness. ! LG G4 OLED will have a completely new panel with RWGB structure instead of WRGB and the second generation of MLA technology, it will have 3000 nits brightness, and it will also have a completely new audio system....
I keep reading in forums that LG is bringing WebOS 23 (8.0?) to its WebOS 22 (7.0) TVs? Like the C2, B2, G2 etc? Have you heard anything about this?
I have a question for you. I own a 65” Sony AF9 Oled from 2018. Is an oled tv like the LG C3 oled from 2023 or the coming LG C4 a much better tv then my sony? Have the oled tv:s evolved and got alot better the past 5 years? I love your videos by the way! You have Great knowledge and intrest about the subject 👍🏻
I am 99.9% sure that even within the bandwidth of HDMI 2.1, all sources defaults to DSC for 144hz because it is outside of the offical HDMI spec
Correct
Instead of focusing on solving real issues such as chrominance overshoot, VRR flicker or motion clarity (or lack thereof), which would have way more impact than this 1.4ms improvement, LG once again falls prey to following the marketing hype. Such a shame. I want to convince myself to upgrade from my C9 but LG isn’t really helping. I guess they just made too good of a product.
I just wish they would stop putting out these fake OLED displays with hoorible dynamic resolutions that barely break the 300 TVL margin, actual OLED, the one worth having over Plasma is RGB-OLED, my cheap RGB-IPS-Black has much better fine pitch/detail than mt OLED screens, things like text, straight lines, shaders and so on look awful on Pentile-OLED and WOLED monitors, you have to be 3 meters or further back for it to be resonable, my arms arent long enough to reach my mouse 3 meteres away though lol, even 960x544p RGB-OLED looks sharper and nicer than my 4K Pentile-OLED & WOLED, not to mention much, much, MUCH nicer colours/luminance/greyscale/shadow-resolutions, the fine details look good even with my nose right up to the panel, we really need an RGB-OLED monitor, and they really need to get rid of the awful sample & hold modulation, that's fine for static desktop use, but for any dynamic use, it's just no good any way to blurry and laggy.
RGB-OLED with rolling-scan would be perfect and a true upgrade to Plasma @ 8K or higher resolutions, 2nd gen OLED, aka Tandem-PHOLED is RGB-Stripe, so hopefully they won't find anything to mar and destroy that, and I really hope they spend a few bucks on modulation R&D and fix the sample & hold nonsense.
Motion clarity how so? Since its an OLED panel the motion is clear as day, unless you mean motion smoothing like for TV shows?
@@ThisisCitrusOLED screens still show motion blur due to being “sample and hold” displays, as opposed to impulse based displays like CRTs and Plasmas. For reference, a 60hz Plasma would show the motion clarity of a 175hz+ OLED, a CRT even higher. You can close the gap with backlight strobing/black frame insertion, but OLED TVs since the C1 generation no longer support that feature at 120hz sadly.
What's particularly sad about all this is that LG used to be the innovators here. It all started when they got in big trouble for the latency in their flagship OLED and being unable to solve it with firmware. The very next year, LG gave us the first HDTVs in history where low latency was a specific focus rather than fundamentally a happy accident. The year after that, every single TV maker had followed suit and latency has never been a major issue with panels since.
@@kirchwald Exactomondo, except I would argue even 240hz OLED fails to come close to the motion response of 60hz Plasma, at least 8/9th gen Plasma with 600hz subfield-drive, that would take 480hz RGB-OLED at a minimum I would suggest, as for OLED matching 120hz Plasma monitors with 2500 Hz Focused Field Drive, which are pretty much on par with 75hz CRT, that would take what would you say, well over 1000hz brute force OLED, I'm not sure how a good roling-scan-bar algorithm @ 360hz/480hz would perform on a RGB-OLED or PHOLED panel, that may well produce good enough motion response to negate sample & holds shortcomings, at least it would be a very good bandaid to tide us over untill we see 3960hz mLED displays become available in 2028/29.
Ive also often wondered how well 2500 Hz Focused Field Drive would perform on OLED, it has the pixel response to pull it off, it could really finaly unleash OLED's full potential and give us RGB-OLED with near pefect 1:1 static:dynamic resolutions.
Hi. Slightly inaccurate representation of 144hz. Hdmi 2.1 absolutely can support this without dsc or chroma subsampling if they tweak the display timings. Usually panel makers use their own timings, but the cvt-r2 standard definitely allows for HDR 4k 144hz without dsc or chroma subsampling. Hope this helps
This works for consoles too?
consoles don't support that refresh rate@@TheMasterofComment
@@peterberan6344pretty sure the ps5 and Xbox support 144hz at 1080p
nope, they are hard capped at 120, even with lower resolutions@@aarocka11
@@aarocka11I'm not aware of a single game that has 144
Thanks a lot for the info sir.
I really hope they release the C4 in a 144hz 42" size. I have a C2 42" and I just love it for PC gaming, but if they can just up the brightness a tad and have the 144hz, that would be awesome.
And 42" IMO is the perfect resolution for gaming as it's PPI at 4k, is just a few pixels off the same as a 27" 1440p monitor which is widely regarded as the sweet spot for PC gaming.
The DPI for a 27'' 1440p is optimal for PC monitor usage but i' m afraid you can't just apply the same Formula to a 42" screen like that as you will want to sit a tad further away from said screen as it could be too big for normal PC work like non-gaming or watching movie tasks. Sitting further away means you cant see as many problems with DPI, so technically it might not be a problem to have a slightly lower DPI the bigger the screen gets.
exactly what I've found too! now want a 40-50 inch oled as a gaming monitor!
@@speedtree Ahh good point actually, never thought of it that way. I probably sit about a foot further away then I did from my Samsung G7 32" I use to have.
@@Pyriel_NZ yeah and at that distance you probably wont be able to see the displays pixel structure that easy anymore. Enjoy your screen 👍
how long are you from watching/playing....70cm-100cm?
All I want is for LG to bring MLA tech. to the 83” G-series set.
@HDTVTest you may be right that is only useful for the high end gaming pcs specialy with RTX 4090, but that means you can also enable 2560x1440p @144hz or 3200x1800p @144hz or any other custom resolution of 21:9 like the 3440x1440p @144hz. That is a great information you gave us here, thanks again
But you cant in consoles, so it matters for PC users only
Ah yes. 1800p. My daily unstretched resolution on 42c2 :)
TVs don't support 1440p resolution.
@@overlord580connected to a PC ist Supports every resolution you want. Thats why the 42inch oled tvs are one of the best pc Monitors! Enjoy Strategy/Story etc. Games in 4k 42inch, fast shooters in 1440p 27inch and games in between at 1440p ultrawide at around 38inch.
@@overlord580 Yes, they do.
I'm so glad that I pulled the trigger on the 77 inch S90C instead of waiting for LG C4.
How can they not use MLA on C4?
That S90C, will be as good as you could want for years. Content doesn't really push these TVs much anymore and that S90C will be beyond fine for years.
@@micker9830 I wanted the S95C but It is a shame that S95C has dropout issues because that is one beautiful TV when mounted using their slim fit mount.
cause MLA is a selling point for G-series. the C-series has EVO.
144hz was already well known to be a capability of these panels since ASUS has been using the same ones for their 42” OLED monitor that’s already sporting this refresh rate. I.e. there’s no actual changes for C4 realized yet even with these rumors
Also is 144hz vs 120 really that noticeable? I wouldn't think so, though I was never a big fps person as the difference really never made a big impact for me like it seems to for some people.
Asus sucks, only their SAMSUNG variant panels are worth buying
Real question is will all the C4 features trickle down to the 42" next year.
The 42" sadly always seems to be missing a feature.
True a 42" with 144Hz and MLA would be ideal.
no. if you want MLA or EVO you'll have to get a 55" or above.
Hey Vincent, I’m able to apply 4K 120hz 12bpc RGB Full HDR10 on my C9. NVIDIA control panel, windows settings and the LG HDMI status screen all report that. I used a chroma subsampling test pattern to make sure it wasn’t just reporting incorrectly and I can confirm there are no artifacts, so it is indeed using 4:4:4. What’s up with that?
I kinda stopped caring about my c1 oled since I have the Goovis G3 max 1440p micro oled glasses. They’re portable, deliver a larger experience and look really good.
No more pressure to upgrade though I miss some hdr. Hopefully at next generation glasses
Is there any information on a new HDMI standard coming in the near future?
Most manufacturers seem to have trouble (or they dont care) supporting full HDMI 2.1 feature set with 48Gbps port(s). Especially monitor manufacturers.
If there is HDMI 2.2 or whatever i have serious doubts we will see it in products before 2026 at the earliest.
1:21 I know you're talking about OLED's but are the 43 inch QN90Bs unicorns for 144hz TV panels? Was it even any good?
thanks, now i can safely buy the S90C
I’m also hearing that the G4 gen 2 MLA panel will move from WRGB to RWGB; presumably to mitigate colour dilution at higher brightness levels. This might also fix chrominance overshoot. 3,000 nit peak brightness is also being talked about. All rumours of course, we’ll see if its true at CES.
Interesting... what is the difference between WRGB and RWGB?
I don't see why the subpixel layout would have any impact on color volume or near-black performance. Can you elaborate?
Makes no sense how this will benefit.
That doesn’t help lol the W white sub pixel is what’s washing out the rest of the colors!
@NexGenTek ...and what is causing the near black problems (chrominance overshoot/macroblocking).
Do we know if the 83inch G4 will have an MLA display?
Hi Vincent, which tv would you recommend, C3 or S90C? thank you
I have an LG C2 55”, got it for $1000 (brand new) earlier this year. I’m not upgrading until the G series has a proper stand, or the C series gets MLA.
You’ll be waiting a long while
I wish I could get the G4 in 48" or a C4 with MLA in 48". I've use a 48" CX as combo Computer Monitor & Streaming TV for 23,468 hours since new in 2020 and the colors have lost some of the "pop" they had when new. It still looks & works fine and I've received excellent value, but I can definitely tell there has been some fade or dimming over time. 48' is simply the max size for computer use given the DPI difference between 48" & 55" when sitting at a comfortable distance away, so it's a pain each year when the best tech only makes it down to 55" in display size. I can't justify another C model even if the presentation on the CX has faded somewhat. An upgrade to MLA would be well worth it, but not at 55". I suppose it's that same difference in DPI which precludes MLA technology at 48". They need something more than 144 Hz for upgrade on the C level product. Hopefully, there will be some new improvements to the C-Series other than new chipset and 144Hz refresh this time around. For all practical purposes, the CX - C3 models have been near carbon-copies other than minor upgrades to the menu and the addition of a "Game Mode".
I'm only going to upgrade to a new C-model from my C2 when they fix the VRR-artifact issue, whenever that is. There's no point in higher Hz range if it still is present.
Do any of the new OLED panels have a subpixel type that allows text to be displayed clearly on a desktop PC?
Please link the videos you mention at the and of your videos in your description. I cannot see the videos you mention with "watch it here" on mobile.
I can't wait for C4 and G4.
I don’t see how the C4 will compete with Samsung’s QDOLED unless they drastically cut the price. The S90c was consistently cheaper than the C3 despite being much brighter and having better color accuracy.
And still, the LG is the overall better TV if you get for a comparable price on a discount.... yeah, on paper and in direct picture-2-picture comparision the Samsung may win (and im still not conviced that it really looks better in real world content from what i have seen, in HDR-Demos, maybe, but in normale Cable TV, Blu Ray or Streaming its almost the same), but LG has the better overall package.
@@MrVaeron Nearly every TV review publication/youtuber has ranked S90C at or above the C3 including Vincent. The LG C3 is a great TV but it's not head and shoulders above the S90C and most would give edge to S90C
@@MrVaeronSamsung s90c may win to C3? Lol, LG fan boy here. S90c wins for sure. I would say It still wins to G3
Samsung's software is ass compared to LG's but the picture is another matter color-wise, tho qdoled has its inaccuracys and text problems.
@@miguelangellehmann9690 - Except from Rtings testing is appears the panels have burn in and issue more than the WOLEDs from LG. They don't have a dedicated white diode and thus use all colors to do white and thus burn the colors out faster (assuming I understood the videos). Pretty sure it was talked about in this update: ua-cam.com/video/my1lyUE7WVM/v-deo.html
I could be misunderstanding, if so please correct me. But even if the picture is a bit better I would still take the C3 due to longevity and better pixel cleaning cycle implementation (though I did hear them say that Samsung claimed this was a bug on the S95C and implemented an update that supposedly fixed this, but it hasn't been confirmed yet... but that said there is till the inherent issues with QDOLED that I mention above and shown in that video I linked).
If it brings back 120hz Black Frame Insertion it would be awesome
I am in doubt. Always had Panasonic and still have 2 plasma 60 series. I don’t know if the overpriced mz2000 worth the price or go for LG C3 Wich is probably the best quality/price overall. What do you Think about? (Searching for 77 and good upscaling/blacks/sdr color accuracy at the right price)
does it have hdmi source PiP?? it's dumb this feature is still not included...they need to include their best features in the 42" model also.
Sir please do a follow up on Microled. Thank you😊
Gonna be a LONG time before that ever becomes an affordable or available technology.
If the changes made to the G4 stick through to release, I'll be curious as to why LG would ruin the image on their top of the line model by implementing a (semi-)matte coating. Glossy screens always look better. As far as I'm concerned, if someone decides to buy one of these expensive glossy TVs and then later complains about screen glare, that is user error. Close some blinds, get blackout curtains, whatever. Very little excuse for it, and I'd rather LG didn't conform to the lowest common denominator, especially for their flagships. I'm hoping that doesn't stay through production or trickle down to the rest of the models, since those are the ones I usually buy since I do literally everything through my PC. We'll see.
It's the MLA layer that causes raised blacks from ambient light.That's why the G4 has the matte finish.
Does this mean it will have the processing power to do 4k120 + vrr + motion processing at the same time with low input lag?
Which 65" oled tv do you recommend for 90% pc monitor/gaming and 10% sports/movies?
Still waiting for the OLED 4k 27 inch monitor - hopefully soon. I do use IPS 4K 27 currently and its good but, I just want that OLED version.
I own both an LG OLED 65B7P and an 77"cx 😂 my 65B7P is on its second screen due to burn in from CNBC. Unfortunately, the second screen which fortunately LG replaced for free under warranty, has become burned in again and out of warranty. I'm debating between the Sony A95L, LG G3, or the LG G4 or Sony newest high-end oled for 2024. I'm just concerned about burn in, and I also play a Sony Playstation 5 and watch a lot of Netflix movies. I'm unsure which 65-inch tv to get. Suggestions 😊
When will HDMI get more broadbandwith? It seems like it's the only limiting factor for TV.
32"-40" model would be so sick.
I have lg cx and still have jaw dropping moments at some scenes.but because i have 4090 my fps exceed 120 often so probably next models will be my upgrade time
LG CX Owner here. I am still very satisfied as well. The peak brightness may not be the best of the best anymore, but I still often marvel at how great the picture on the TV is.
I think I'll wait a few more years and see how OLED continues to develop. It remains exciting.
@@realgeckZi play lights off so brightness doesn't matter for me😅 it'll serve you well next few years
@@eslamaridaLights off is the way to go. 😎👍
@@PSYCHOV3N0M yeah it gives you cinematic experience
Does LG C3, or C1/C2 TV's based on the same OS, have funtions to display test image with 8 and 10 bit color tones, so we can see if it works correctly? I've noticed that actually it hard to check if LG C3 support 10 bit for real. Because I see color banding in games and weird results when I choose 10bit in Nvidia control panel, and se almost no color banding when i use 8bit settings in Nvidia control panel. So I would like to check it directly on the TV and see for example how many tones I see in Green color it will be 255 tones or 1024 tones.
I love LG OLED's but I haven't seen a reason to upgrade and I own a C8. I've been fighting the urge to pick up a Samsung S90C but decided to wait until after the 2024 sets get announced.
Hi Vincent, which OLED size you prefer if someone like me has lot of DVD collection, playing or upscaling with mine good Sony 4K BDP??
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I am pc gamer and 144hz will be nice but i think move lower value to 20hz will be better as many games have a cutscenes or whole games locked at 30 fps
Low Framerate Compensation (LFC) already takes care of that, basically when the game is running at something like 30fps, rather than refresh at 30Hz the display will simply double (or more) the refresh rate to 60Hz. Likewise, if it was 20fps, it would just refresh at 60Hz (triple refresh), and something like 18fps would probably have it refresh at 54Hz
@@thereviewerplays1932 i have lg cx so maybe it's not have LFC because 30 fps looks really bad comparing to 40 or 50
@@mateuszbuczma1956 It should be enabled if you've updated your tv's firmware since mid-2021.
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Glad to have just snagged a C2 new in box with warranty for 2/3rd the price lol.
is the CX still good? If not how do I induce burn in to get my warranty money for a new tv? lol
Hello, I purchased a G3 77" two months ago, at a price match, I am very happy with it. However, it is mounted on a very large wall, and would be better if I got the larger 83" BUT, I opted not to since I was informed MLA is not available on the 83" inch. Is that a fact?
@guy yes..no mla on 83" lg tv's
I have for some time hoping they would add gigabit ethernet. My C2 is limited to 93 Mbps on fast ethernet, but much lower over WIFI 5, this causes issues streaming my BD ISOs
That Tetitetifour is too iconic 😂
What's up with lg's use of letter and numbering. I have the LG C9 flagship(I think it was for its time anyway) in 65", I have 0 issues with it... But why did they go backwards to lower numerals?
6:31 I spottet MLA on your glasses. That is a leak, there will be MLA with the C4 😃
144Hz isn't going to solve VRR gamma flicker, it will most likely make it worse. I can't get excited about new TV unless they make a point to address VRR flicker.
I recently got the LG 45 inch 3440x1440 240hz monitor and for games like Overwatch in HDR, 240hz is so so good on OLED. Going back to my Alienware 144 hz 38 inch LCD looks smeary and low refresh rate in comparison. I've been ruined and can't go back. But while I think this monitor is amazing and don't regret it at all, I am very interested to know more about new panel technology that will be in the rumored 2025 5k2k successor to this. More ppi (it is not great with text) without sacrificing brightness and ideally higher brightness and less aggressive ABL would really help take it to perfection.
So looking forward to what the C4/G4 bring if anything new in panel tech. I believe my 45 OLED monitor already uses MLA.
I wonder why they can't support 240 hz at lower resolutions on the TVs, like 1440p?
Oled and lcd refresh rates aren't comparable that's why you see such a huge difference. If you put your 144hz lcd panel next to a 240hz lcd panel it wouldn't be a huge difference. However the 240hz oled has a perceived motions clarity of more like 320hz so that's why it's such a huge difference to you. It's important to understand that oled refresh rates and how it's perceived by the eye is different than lcd so if you buy a high refresh rate lcd in the future you don't think something is wrong with the panel lol.
@@tangodown2721 I watched a hardware unboxed video where they compared 240 hz oled to a 360 hz TN panel with strobing and actually the TN panel had better motion clarity. However that comes with the downsides of LCD and TN such ad higher response time, much worse ghosting, much worse viewing angles, not to mention black levels/contrast, colors or HDR. I think there are compromises no matter what, but I also don’t ever want to use an LCD again unless maybe they can get very bright very small almost per pixel backlight array.
OLED has a lot going against it too such as burn in, lower brightness, VRR flickering, lower pixel densities, weird pixel arrangements causing fringing, low selection, and high cost. Worth it for gaming despite all that though IMO.
I hope LG releases QD Oleds at some point. My brother got a samsung one and while I'm not the biggest fan of samsungs colors I do see the benefits. I still love my CX but the luminance overshoot near blacks and aggressive ABL do be a bit much sometimes. Idk how crazy the ABL is at the newer models tho
They wont. QD-OLED is Samsung technology. LG "may" implement something similar (technology wise) in the future but it wont be QD-OLED.
Just get a service remote and disable the abl
Small chance. Lg is only selling panels to Samsung cause they weren't making any profits and need to utilize more of their panel plants.
overshoot near blacks, do you mind explaining that?
@@maaax1173Maybe he means lifted blacks.
4:56 It is plastic protection foil on screen not peeled away and not any different screen.
I must add, there is no visible between 120 and 144hz. Movie watching is fine at that. 240hz is where you notice a change. And of course, 360 as well. Personally 120 is fine for watching all content and 240 for high end pcs.
I'm on old LG c9 and still works perfectly...😂
User case: movies, console games, pc ..
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Yes it makes perfect business sense for the C4 to not have MLA but LGE desperately need either a model below the G4 with MLA or dump the gallery design of the G4.
It's important to note the the bseries does not use evo panel. They will burn in harder over the lifespan of the tv
Will the C4 have MLA? It would a great upgrade
no. MLA is exlusive to G-series. C-series have EVO, but only 55" and above.
Wait & See CES 24. I hope C4 with MLA
I read on Korean websites that the LG C4 OLED will also have MLA technology and will have 1300 nits brightness. ! LG G4 OLED will have a completely new panel with RWGB structure instead of WRGB and the second generation of MLA technology, it will have 3000 nits brightness, and it will also have a completely new audio system..,.,
I would like a modular TV . Small panels become a larger panel.
What would be an added value for me would be a 1gb lan connection
...Or to muddy the waters further, what if 144Hz-support is in anticipation of a PS5 Pro or next-generation XBox, either or both of which could support 144Hz?
the C series is usually marketed to PC gaming due to 42". most console gamers have bigger than 42" TV's.
All manufacturers need to focus on eliminating sample and hold.
What do you think about 8k tvs? Why I don't hear people talking about 8K? Yes no movies etc. are not available in 8k yet but some contents are on youtube. Is it okay to but 8k or not yet? Thanks
no.
@@SapiaNt0mata euxaristo.
My C3 42 inch has significant color banding, is it user error or RMA known issue?
What about the G4 83” …. does it support MLA?
I'm super curious what LG will do in 2 years when their model numbers repeat.
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I was hoping LG would drop a QD Oled for 2024. Damn.
It is almost as if I had bought my c2 yesterday after mucj saving and already it became a grandpa technology wise. That's a good thing tho for when my c2 kicks the bucket the next oled will blow me away.
I have an A80J and honestly, I don't even notice a difference when I watch that or my A95K. Content doesn't really push these sets much now. Unless they are side by side, you don't really miss anything and movies/shows are just as enjoyable.
I really was hoping the C4 be MLA. Well so beat it, I’ll get either the G4 or G3
Well to compete with the S90D, the C4 will need to do something.
Still get mind blow when Iplay Games on My C1. God of War, Last of us, Spider-Man, Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted few games to name