The Problem With Sabine Wren In Ahsoka... 🤦♂️
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2023
- The Ahsoka series has a problem with one of its main characters. This is of course Sabine Wren who was featured in Star Wars Rebels before this show ever came out. In this video we cover the main problem with her and the retcons they made and how it changed the character for the worse...
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Love Sabine in Rebels, dislike her the most out of all the characters thus far in Ahsoka. Hate how edgy and complicated she is for no reason at all...
Her being apprenticed to Ahsoka is completely absurd to us... More retconning as per usual from star wars "canon". Her animated counterpart was leagues ahead of this writing, not to mention the lightsaber has been cheapened even more now.
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I agree with your statement. It’s very outlandish and out of character. For Sabine to suddenly want to be a Jedi Padawan of Ahoska. It would’ve made more sense. If she just joined Ahoska as a companion to find Ezra and locate Grand Admiral Thrawn.
When you realize that Princess Peach has a better attitude than Sabine Wren in Ahsoka, you know there is a problem with Disney and female characters.
@@darthdracul8372judging by how many times disney retconned something and did the bait and switch you dont assume enough. Sorry but we don't fall for the same shit for the 50th time in a row. Get some standards mate.
@@TheScoundresCantina “PROFESSIONALS have standards” Sniper.
@@darthdracul8372laugh as much as you want but making excuses for a multi billion dollar company at every turn will get you nowhere. They push millions into this stuff and expect you to pay for it. If you had standards you would demand better instead of settling for mediocre thus you are enabling their behavior and defending all these millionaires from the opinion of a random no one sitting in his room making videos. Apparently little ol me is a big threat to with my pesky opinions that don't fit the holywood narrative. So yes, get some standards and stop being a corporate buttlicker and demand they do better for the money you are throwing at them.
Bro sabine turned into a damn rebellious teenager, the sabine from rebels was like this, but over the course of the series she grew to be more mature, blud just threw all of thay away in the show
Kanan himself said that the force exists in all living beings. But she isn’t force sensitive, Hera stated that in the Darksaber episode. At least that as far as we know in Star Wars rebels and the beginning of the Ahoska series.
Thank you, normal human being.
Yea but people have used the excuse that the force runs through all living things thats why
Shes probably like corran horn skilled at everything other than telekenisis
@@Ahzuv yea u are born as a force welder
@@juliojuarez4033 There’s a huge difference between being force sensitive and being a normal human being with a average midichlorian count.
I agree with your statement. It’s very outlandish and out of character. For Sabine to suddenly want to be a Jedi Padawan of Ahsoka. It would’ve made more sense. If she just joined Ahoska as a companion to find Ezra and locate Grand Admiral Thrawn.
Yes i 💯 agree like is dave have a force sensitive bargain sale or wat
@@juliojuarez4033 I do have a theory. But you tell me what you think.
I think Dave Filoni or his crew wanted to make Sabine a Jedi Padawan of Ashoka Tano. In order to promote sales/popularity with the character herself. Kind of like a cash grab sorta. But under different circumstances I think🤔.
@@kingnamor7777 well those toys are gonna be shelved for a long time
@@kingnamor7777 it is Disney I would be surprised they got a quota to fill
actually, maybe the writing/sequence of events is the problem. i think maybe in the first two episodes, ahsoka, sabine and hera look for and find eza. in this manner, sabine would not need jedi training as ezra can be real padawan
Jacen Syndulla should of been Ahsoka’s apprentice. He has the blood of a jedi in him after all.
Patience…..
Dave hasn’t fumbled the ball yet.
@@hamishbartholomaeusi wish it were true but i got of the dave bandwagon when he got involved with all the live action shows starting with mando. Very mediocre work on his part in comparison to his superb animated stuff.
@@TheScoundresCantina I agree with this.
He should stick to animation.
Like George, he seems more comfortable there, and I don’t really know why he wants to push so hard for live action.
Seems like a Disney money grab….
Since dave touched live action, the quality of his work has fallen. Should just stick to animated shows which is where his talent clearly is.
@@bend7726 Same. I think that if all of Disney's SW content for D+ outside of the movies (Rogue One, Solo and the ST) were all animated in the TCW (2008) or Rebels style and they had the right people (VAs, writers, animators etc) for those series, Dave would've easily been able to rival KK as the best person for the Star Wars IP.
Edit: Heck if Dave were in charge of Lucasfilm, he would've easily been able to bring George Lucas back in order to adapt his ST scripts into a sequel trilogy of animated movies.
A lot of people seem to just go along with it.
But from Rebels there was no hint Sabine wanted to become a jedi.
And now all of a sudden they say Ahsoka trained her previously, but Sabine still can't use the force? What was she training her for?
This has been planned since the end of rebels. The last episode shows that she was already going to train and found out she did with this show. Anything could've happened when she was given the Saber from Ezra. She cares about him maybe a little too much. She could've just flipped the switch and wants to become what he is. Losing friends and family can do shit to you mentally. It can very easily flip a switch on you and I'm very familiar with that.
Its all just an excuse for Rey being all powerful *somehow*
Old Filoni's move, start a character as unlikeable so he can redeem him later.
Problem is Ahsoka is not a new character 😂
The thing is the Fandom is tired and turned off by all of Disney Lucas Film mistakes for us fans to swallow up a Dave Filoni Bad character to good character trope.
Plus the writer's strike is going to fast forward Disney's bankruptcy.
What’s wrong with Ahsoka here? She’s matured into how the Jedi are portrayed in the PT. L take.
Dave filoni not saving Star Wars and he overrated now
And then ruin her again...
@@alexdeghost2729 Except her whole point was that she isn't like Jedi in PT...
Only problem with her, she survived something no one can
Starkiller wants to know your location.
You mean something black chick from Kenobi survived twice? Nah, lightsaber 'tis just a flesh wound. At this point toothpick is more dangerous than lightsaber.
@@thezman9522 Oh yeah, Starkiller did survive being stabbed by Darth Vader’s lightsaber🤔. Honestly it's a very complex issue and circumstance. There has been many characters who got stubbed by a lightsaber and either died or survived.
right, Maul got bisected and died. Anakin got limbless and died. Oh wait
@@NandreaniRight…damn the whole lightsaber causing instant death is a very complex and complicated🤔. In both legends and canon.
I believe that if the Ahsoka show was animated in the style that was used in TCW (2008) and if the people (VAs, writers etc.) behind Rebels were on board with the show, I think the Ahsoka series would've been better than what we got.
The writing team in the animation department is infinitely better than the live action one.
Comparing TCW, Rebels and TBB to The Mandalorian, TBOBF, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka is criminal.
And also in the technical side, the live action TV shows look ridiculously clumsy, cheap and restricted. It's evident in the production design, the locations, the aliens, the clothes, the camera, the choreography, etc.
No, the writing is still shit. Making it animated would change absolutely nothing.
I hate that Disney keeps having people shrug off lightsaber wounds these days. I mean, this isn’t like getting pricked on the finger. In fact, it isn’t even like getting stabbed by a real sword. Real swords cut through things leaving visible paths. Everything inside is still there, just with a line cut through it. Lightsabers though are incredibly hot laser/plasma swords that burn through whatever they touch. Meaning, that when stabbed by a lightsaber everything that the lightsaber touched is now completely vaporized. The heat may cauterize the wound, but make no mistake, everything that was in the body before the lightsaber touched it is now gone. Meaning that, for there to be any chance at healing the body, one would have to go in there and rebuild everything that was there from scratch. You can’t just reattach the severed pieces or wait for it to heal. Because in the case of a lightsaber, it’s so hot and powerful that it leaves nothing left in its path, and what is left around the path of the lightsaber is now charred from the heat and has a lightsaber sized gap between it and the vital organs that it was attached to.
So, no! No one can walk off a lightsaber wound or be instantly healed from it in less than two days! It’s not possible! Not only does real world science contradict such a thing, but so does the physics of the STAR WARS universe.
If they wanted to continue the story in that world they should've sticked to their animated roots with the same cast of voice actors and same character personalities
Should have literally been rebels season 5
I knew bringing the characters to live action was a danger. The show isn't even directed at rebels fans but normies, so the behavior portrayed by our main characters come about as either dull or obnoxious. We got scammed lol
@@DeluxeCrispyChickenSandwich
Nah, this is more a Star Wars problem at this point than just a "cartoon characters being brought to live action" problem.
They’ve switched her character with Ezra. They have her acting exactly how Ezra acted at the start of rebels. The edgy, rebellious stubborn Jedi apprentice. She’s basically Ezra instead of Sabine. It’s really unnecessary, she was already fine as a Mandalorian character. It doesn’t make any sense that she was never force sensitive, now all of a sudden for no reason she’s decided to be a Jedi. Only reason they did this was to keep the same old formula of master Jedi training apprentice Jedi.
I'm really getting sick of this tbh. SW shouldn't be only about jedis. At least not anymore...
The problem nobody seems to mention is if Ahsoka wants to train a padawan to be to be a Jedi, she should have trained the son of Hera and Caleb…
Literally this. The one force sensitive kid that they've got but instead they decide to make sabine an edgy teen again that just so happens to want to be a jedi now
She probably refused him for the same reason she refused Grogu
@@TK-wk6xd
Hey, F Ahsoka, she's getting really annoying imo...
It makes me sad that people still get excited for new Star Wars shows only to face the inevitable disappointment. Maybe I sound fatalistic, but this is Disney, after all-things won't get any better until something big changes.
I still haven't watched the new show (I forgot the name) because I already know that it will suck and Ahsoka was already a pain to watch so idk anymore... 🙁
I think Disney and many producers have fallen into the trap of thinking that only Force users are interesting/important - contrary to the success of Andor.
The problem is that Andor wasn't successful
You mean Filoni thinks that that is important and Disney knows that they won't be able to gather enough hype for something like Andor. Like Ahsoka is doing really well despite being pretty dogshit so far.
The only way I know that's Sabine Wren in Ahsoka is because this show told me so. I couldn't recognize that's the same character from Rebels if this show didn't spell it out for me.
I don't know if we can say she's unlikable. Also I don't think she is force sensitive, but wants to learn the way of the lightsabar.
I understand you really dislike Disney star wars, and I do also, but I don't think currently there's a major problem with her, I think it's abit of a reach.
Edit: I think it's way to early to claim she's a problem character.
Never said it was a major problem, just sharing some thoughts.
I agree.
I don’t think Ahsoka is training her as a force sensitive. I think she is just training her.
Sure, she called her padawan, but that could be just habit.
If you think about the clone wars, Ahsoka was involved in training a few groups/people in warfare who weren’t force sensitive.
As always, we shall see.
One thing I do know; Dave is pulling out all the stops on the Norse mythology!!
The first two episodes are dripping with it.
The 9 realms/9 galaxies is probably what I am most excited for.
@@TheScoundresCantinabro just shut the dam internet off and go touch some grass
@@TheScoundresCantinasome nit picks you mean
Honestly George Lucas clarified this ages ago and if you can’t listen to the creator your just being stubborn…. The force resides in ALL living things…. Tying in the midichkorians of the prequels you could say those are a way to measure base talent (which is why anakin was so powerful without training that he could easily pass the Jedi tests and fly pod racers when mother human could)
Having said that Sabine will be a quite weak force user at best, prolly able to pull off using the saber decently and maybe some reflexes type stuff like chririut in rogue one… in ep 4 she manages an extremely weak force push that does nothing but turn shin hati’s head for a moment (not able to effectively use but technically she can use it)
I’d say she’d be a mandalorian with baddass reflexes and able to wield a light saber whisky using umber other weapons and armor to make up for her weakness in the force…..
Sabine and Ashoka are both completely different characters in Ahsoka.
Live action isn’t same as animation but yeah
Star Wars TV series should have stayed animated. First of all because the writing team is infinitely better but second of all, visually and technically the shows look so cheap and restricted in comparison to the animated versions.
nope same char and same director in all
@@Ulieq Well, that's not enough. I've seen great directors do bad films and write bad screenplays.
@@Ulieq Nope, same names, completely different everything else. Director is good at animation, so-so at live action. The End.
Disney should stop nerfing lightsabers. All conflicts now feel empty. Remember how big of a deal when Luke and Anakin lost their hands? When Qui-Gon was stabbed? Those things add tension to the narrative. But in every Disney project somebody is stabbed only to be fine in the next episode.
Perhaps her animated counterpart won't be able to convert to live action well enough for some people if not a lot of people?
To be honest most characters that converted from animation to live action didn't work in our opinion. Cad bane looked horrible as did the grand inquisitor. The Pykes looked ridiculous and completely non threatening compared to their clone wars look. Even Ahsoka if you ask us is very mehh and we dislike that they made her head tails shorter because the actress complained which is stupid because some cosplays are then way more accurate then the live action look. Probably the only ones that did well are Bo-Katan, Zeb Orelios, Hera Syndulla and chopper so far. Thrawn is still a maybe until we see him.
@@TheScoundresCantinaSaw gerrera was probably the best example of how to transfer an animated character to live action
@@TheScoundresCantina I'd love to see how Freddy Prinze, Jr. would be able to play as Kanan again in live action. Which probably won't happen :(
@@TheScoundresCantina They made her head tails longer in this show. L take.
@@alexdeghost2729which makes it incredibly stupidly inconsistent now because in rebels they were long, then in mandalorian and book of boba they were short, and now they are mid size. Truly the consistency of all time 👌
Sabine Wren might become A Jedi just like Ezra Bridger..
This Sabine “Padawan” storyline just feels so random and more like a forced Disney/Kennedy decision. If they make Sabine a Jedi/Mandalorian hybrid, and have this new message where anyone can use the force if they just train and try hard enough, it’ll be beyond cringey and I’ll check out right away. I want this to be the Ahsoka show. Not the Super Sabine Show. Another fake out like Book of Boba, Kenobi, and Mando Season 3. SMH
You mean this is another one of Dave Filoni's stupid decisions because he has 0 lore knowledge.
She lost Ezra I think that’s why she’s acting the way she’s acting. Plus she fails multiple times throughout the episode and Huyang basically said she sucks at the force so idk how y’all are getting girl boss/Mary Sue vibes.
As far as we can recall we never said she was a Mary sue or anything of that sort. We said that she is edgy for no reason and annoying in comparison to the better version of Sabine from rebels.
Your making terrible excuse because bad writing
She lost Ezra 10 years ago. And she didn't become a brat after she lost Kanan.
Let's list her abilities. At 17 years she: graduated with honors from the imperial academy;
She developed weapons of mass destruction that even the Empire, with all its resources, could hardly reproduce;
She managed to work as a bounty hunter;
She is an experienced technician;
She is a talented artist;
She is an experienced fighter and even won a 1v1 fight against an experienced adult Gar Saxon after 1 day of lightsaber practicing;
For the entire series, she really did not have a single defeat.
She survived a lightsavber stab like a teapot burn.
The list goes on.
I remind you that she is no more than 17 years old.
This is a pure Mary Sue.
No amount of "training" behind the scenes justifies such a ridiculous amount of competencies.
@@TheScoundresCantina well we cant tell cause ahsoka isnt a mary sue and yet one lady who makes tons of videos why she a mary sue when she isnt. now if we were to have zeb or kallus being a jedi u guys wouldnt say anything... but anyways back to sabine. I think its fine for her being a jedi. again it depends on how they do things. but yea theres a reason why only mando was decent and the other tv show were like 3-3.7 lol
Making every second character force sensitive is such a stupid way of handling these characters.
It's almost like pepole change over the course of a decade, and that that a jedi more trained than Karen could sense the slightest force aptitude.. and with so few jedi left a survivor would try to train anyone they possibly could.
Also Sabine had accomplished way more than is believable for a teenager in rebels
I agree with you, she is not likable in live action and the fact she survives a light saber stab and quickly recovered within a day made me get turned off by the show.
Classic Disney move here. She's been stabbed but don't worry guys she's not actually dead !
@@bend7726This is Filoni saving his OC, will you stop blaming Disney for every problem?
I think Sabine wanting to train in the ways of the Jedi is just another way of her wanting to stay connected to him
Kinda weird because the Mandalorian way contradict the Ways of the Jedi and she have both.. now what? What's the point of her character?
Hope there is a reason why Filoni made her a force wielder (coz in 4 seasons of Rebels they did not and she was doing just as fine.. even beaten Ezra in training, defeated a war veteran Gar Saxon with a lightsaber)
Yesss thank you ive been saying this i love Sabine but shes not force sensitive shes a mando she doesn’t need the force ppl have been saying that “ the force is in all living things thats why “ im not buying it
I see no problem with Sabine for now. But if she is able to wield the force by the end of this show I'll call BS on that.
Needless to say, the whole thing regarding Ezra's message to Sabine that he saw her as a "sister" became more and more hard to believe as the show went as her actions and motivations came off as romantic by nature rather platonic. Honestly it makes her character more understandable, despite her actions rightfully painted in the wrong, especially in regards to helping Thrawn return to the main galaxy. It just adds more confusion to Ezra and Sabine's already ambiguous relationship, one where words don't match their actions. If was something to clarify something, it failed miserably or if was something that ironically teases a future romantic relationship, it would greatly fix the show and Sabine's character. It just adds to more questions than answers. If Dave is insistent on keeping the sibling dynmanic between the two, it's not good idea if you want the character moving forward. Or that Dave actaully secretly planned for those two to get together eventaully, just tried to too hard to make as less obvious as possible, which I can see it likely was very obvious.
Finally someone else speaks up about this, honestly I didn't like Sabine at all in these first 2 episodes and I'm worried that she's going to continue like this for the rest of the series, I hope they don't turn her into another edgy, arrogant character who is just annoying.
Shes a Mandalorian. Not a jedi. Ashoka could have trained someone else from Lukes academy.
Sabine of live action being different from Sabine of 3D animation is likely by design. We are not dealing with the same Sabine. Back in "Rebels" we saw Sabine mending relations with her Family and her people. Sabine of "Ahsoka" has lost everything. Her family is dead. Her people were decimated in the Purge of Mandalor. She is not going to be the same. I do think that casting Natasha Liu Bordizzo was a grand slam by the casting director.
Natasha is nothing like Tiya. I don't think she watched a single episode.
It’s pathetic the way shills always reference previous awful plot holes by Disney to justify more terrible writing.
I don’t think she is a natural with the force like being born force sensitive’s but I think she will tap into it by learning and training eventually but it will be much harder for those who are naturally gifted.
why people aren't mad at them for giving her a mole....why they mad at them for making her force sensitive ???
Sabine as a whole has issues within star wars lore... though i never finished rebels cause personally certain characters killed my interest... but yeah why the f... is sabine even looking at trained???... hey disney wanna try giving even a dumb answer to this?
You know what Ironic and spoil a warning ahead in jedi survivor Cal Mentor Cere Junda Get stabbed in the exact same way as Sabine and she dies in the end..
Well this kinda cheapens the whole; Manadlore dude being the **only** mandalorain to be force sensitive and a Jedi for a time.
I'm interested to see where the show goes; But at the same time I gotta agree this whole thing feels like it came out of no where. I'm not against Ahsoka and Sabine teamming up to hunt down Thrawn and possibly save Ezra.
But making her a Force Sensitive too? I just can't, would of made more sense if it was a member from the first mando Jedi clan.(i forget the dude's name).
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Very true but i have to say 3rd episode was pretty nice change of character
It’s more Girl Power BS!!!!!
Considering she just helped the bad guys get what they want, she is completely unlikable and weak willed.
I just finished Rebels, having watched Ahsoka first, I must say I've grown to love Sabine Wren in the show, she feels part of the family, is the tech girl of the group, brilliant artist, planer, mandalorian, etc.All of that thrown away for the more "modern" jedi role where she can do anything. The Ahsoka version seems like a completly different character, that instead of growing up, it felt like shew grew younger mentality wise and of course story direction is bad too, it's a damn shame.
My problem is that I can not not see Carmen from Spy Kids when I see her on screen and it takes me out of my willingness to suspend disbelief.
I guess bacta tanks must have some good ass shit in them lol. Although to be fair I always thought with the technology of SW that getting stabbed by a saber should be something you could recover from long as it didn't hit any vitals like the heart. Seems like Sabine got stabbed in the lung area so too me that is survivable but only if you get treatment within like 5-10 minutes.
Man the chase scene with the speeder was so so cringe.
So, a lightsaber, weapon that can cut through human body like a hot knife through a butter, is again survived... gj Disney... AGAIN (Reva or Rava whatever is her name from Kenobi survived it twice). At this point I don't know why people bother dodging the damn thing.
I mean, even SWTOR that is ran by skeleton crew in one of their expansions had to go through supernatural explanations why your character survived lightsaber stab (in their case ghost of the powerful Sith that is inside you used force to keep you alive, still more plausabe THAN just survivng it because reasons) and he was out for days.
Cal Kestis vs Darth Vader. GGs. L take. Gtfo
@@alexdeghost2729 Vader stabbed him in the far right abdomen area, I assume for the sole purpose of explaining his survival. General area of the stab is almost precisely between pancreas and hepatic flecture of the colon. And even then Cal was out cold for days.
Rava was twice stabbed in the middle abdomen directly into stomach possibly passing through spine section (as adult, we can not see where Vader stabbed her as a child).
GG. Take anatomy lessons. GTFO
Dont forget in the opening sequence that stupid ship captain gets stabbed And dies on the spot meanwhile Sabina Just needs to sleep it off quite funny
@@TheHatter510 Sabine didnt need a bacta tank neither did Reva they all survived no problem
I’m still on the beginning of ep2 but so far I don’t get it : she was disobedient to Ashoka wich caused the enemy to retrieve the map (and the heroes to lose their leverage) and she got a Pat in the back from Hera as a result ? Sabine really became trash so far
I think qui-gon save Sabine live after lightsaber stabs her in the chest
She’s not force sensitive there for she shouldn’t be trained as a Jedi
Sabine's attitude change could be the result of grief, in other words the disappearance of ezra changed her.
Also maybe there was a med bay on ahsoka's shuttle that kept her alive long enough to get to the hospital after she was stabbed by shin.
Maybe sabine should have gotten some cybernetics like fennec shand did when she was shot in the stomach by toro.
If sabine had gotten cybernetics her survival would make a bit more sense.
And huyang clearly stated she's not force sensitive.
Thank you normal human being but Cal also got stabbed in his side and didn’t need cybernetics.
@@alexdeghost2729 cal didn't get stabbed all the way through.
The edginess does make sense BUT the show never shows us why. It was either in the latest episode or the one right before in a THROW AWAY LINE that Sabine’s family died during Gideon’s glassing of Mandalore. I can only hope that at some point this is actually talked about. A perfect opportunity would be if Sabine gets a moment to talk to Ezra alone
Exactly
I think sabine being a jedi is okay. if they did it right. of course this doesnt mean shes a bad character or shes a mary sue. but we will see how it goes. if she does become a jedi then I hope galaxy of heroes she gets jedi tag
How is it OK if she doesn't have the damn force. And it is completely out of character. For someone like Dave who is completely obsessed with Mandalorians, now would be an appropriate time for Sabine to use Mandalorian anti-Jedi fighting techniques.
@@tk-6967 okay dude... first off ventress didnt start with the force and did it anyways.... finn I thought he would never have the force but has it... also she was trained by ahsoka and its not like her force push and pull advanced... she barely can boost erza and barely get that lightsaber... if zeb was a jedi would u say anything in this? look its not like she master it in one day like rey did... people were okay with obi-wan able to withstand two explosives at point blank ranged by jango and I dont see any complains... I mean what she cant try to learn something new? I notice I always see complains on females but never on males... u sexist or what?
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 Ventress was always force sensitive, she just didn't know how to use it, just like most force sensitive people. it isn't like Anakin was born knowing that he could use the force or something, and Luke didn't notice anything until he was 19. Finn is admittedly the most surprising case (even though from the movies it was clearly a plausible theory) because no one in the first order noticed, but admittedly he hadn't met Kylo Ren until Jakku, and Kylo immediately took note of him. I don't see what Obi Wan has to do with this conversation regarding force sensitivity? Oh... you are just trying to take more cheap shots to win the argument. Why am I not surprised? No of course I am not sexist just because I am criticising a female character. And besides I have literally debated right wingers over Ahsoka being 'woke' because it makes everything convenient for the main characters who happen to be women. I point out that the show is just badly written
I feel like this is true, also it feels like the show is more about her than about Ahsoka
Apparently anyone can be a jedi now no matter how powerful you are in the force and Disney doesn't seem to give a s***..
I refuse to watch Star Wars anymore, I've been turned off from the franchise as a whole despite my nostalgia for the older ones... but I seriously thought Sabine and Ezra would end up getting together.
You ain’t wrong she should of been a light brown skin color not pale 👍🏽
i tried watching the show on the first episode, and it was good until she started getting so much screentime. Shes pretty unbarable and not enough good qualities about them to make me like her lmao
I could see her wanting to be trained as a Jedi to honor both Ezra and Kanan, and if things go even more awry, the Galaxy could do well to have another Jedi. More problematic to me is the fact that anyone can wield the Force with mere effort, when in the movies it was established that while it resides in everyone, only a few have enough power to wield it.
Our problem exactly. All of sudden if you just wish it enough you can wield the force... ridiculous.
At the very least, it seems to involve prior discipline and training, which is more than Rey required for some inexplicable reason.
@@TheScoundresCantina did u watch the entire show my dear before u judge? she barely could use force push and pull... but I bet u be okay if zeb does it... the reason why I mention this cause every single time when a male like obi-wan has plot armor its okay. but when a female like ahsoka or sabine does people complain... and dont u forget mate ventress, finn, and I am sure there are a few others able to use the force even though they werent taught at first. now I do admit there are some things could be better but this doesnt make either of them a mary sue. could it be better yes. but its not the end of the word... I guess either way sabine a jedi now...
@@TheScoundresCantina heck people even complain when sabine survive a lightsaber wound where as obi-wan can withstand two explosives by jango and its seems okay... people never complain guys not once...
Character assassination
Look how they massacred my girls! 😔
Honestly im not watching the video yet since im only 41 minutes in the first episode but I had to look up if anyone else found her unlikable
I didn't really see rebels so I get she can be a rebellious teen however its just…one of those people…im gonna miss a ceremony for everyone to celebrate me and be really rude about it like im a bad ass, ima take this map that ahsoka literally could have died for when she wanted help cause why...? Idk man if im honest and just cause you have some "grief"? I know a lot of people that use that as a reason to be rude lol but yeesh I literally had to look up how unlikable others found her soo lmk if you found that out early in as well
Shin Hati's character is more interesting than her. I don't know if it's the unconvincing acting or the way she was written. I was really hoping she gets killed in the latest episode and the story focus more on Ahsoka, Hera, and Huyang.
I liked her.
she makes reva look almost interesting
I really like Sabine i dont want her to become the next Rey
Yo people do change their hairstyle, what do you expect, people do change innappearances
I always said the actress they got for her seemed too pale to play her. I kinda wanted them to get a Hispanic girl for Sabine. But, like you said that’s a mere nitpick.
bro is taking the fattest L omg the dislikes in this video are insane
222 - 16 is insane to you? XD what are you on
Sabine surviving a stab was nonsensical trash. Not only that, But I also got annoyed when she was constantly running away from the center stage and not listening to the E-wing pilots and getting everyone in trouble as well.
@@TheHatter510 No one should survive a stab from a deadly laser sword, now Disney is treating them like toys now, as now everyone survives a stab in the Disney era
@@TheHatter510because the laws of physics and real world biology both apply to the SW universe, particularly this piece of work created by Dave Filoni who thinks it makes sense for Maul to survive being sliced in half.
I knew the show would suck. Dave Filoni is washed.
Bruh I genuinely can't stand her
My problem is I like Sabine with long hair
You can tell the script is being written by different writers -- not as good, and not as sympathetic to the source material -- just earning a paycheck and pushing ideology, nothing more.
I don't find Sabine to be unlikeable. Her character seems perfectly fine in the Ahsoka show. Her being edgy makes sense since she's unsure if her best friend is even alive or not, plus her teacher has walked out from teaching her before and Huyang repeatedly says how has the least potential to be a jedi out of every padawan he's known.
Too pale? In the animated she is a full Asian. In the tv show she is half white and Japanese. They are too racist to cast a full blooded Asian as a main character. We are lucky that they even pick a mixed Asian lol. I was expecting them to cast a white girl.
Honestly don't really care about race, just noticed that she was darker skinned in Rebels. Knowing how kuch money they waste in shit like this you'd think most things would actually be accurate.
She wasn't that likable in Rebels either. She wasn't really a charcter, just a charcter arcatype.
WTF did I just see on 0:49😠. But you know what, it's Disney Star Wars. Not are Star Wars smh.
kanan was extremely weak in the force
A better looking actress would've helped. The Last of Us had the same problem.
Show is hot garbage and it's going to get worse as it goes on. Straight rip off of "Heir to the Empire".
Kathleen Kennedy: "We have no source material"
proceeds to name drop heir to the empire to get the nostalgia flowing.
There are worse things to rip off…🤷🏼🤣
We were all kind of hoping the sequels ripped off those books, rather than what we got.
Even the animated Sabine was a pain in the ass Mary sue. Let’s not forget she helped the empire develop a weapon system that specifically targets Mandalorian armour. She knew what the empire was doing and she cooperated willfully because she wanted to challenge herself by inventing this weapon. Her excuse was “I never thought they would actually use it”. Not only was she almost immediately forgiven by her people but also made leader of her own clan, literally rewarding her despite being a willing traitor who should be shot on site.
Sabine Wren is just too unstable... dislike that part...
Disney strikes again
All the characters are severely underwritten across the board: Ahsoka wants the map deciphered to find Thrawn, Sabine wants to find Ezra, yet the conflict between over those goals and motives doesn’t get dramatized at all?
Direct your actors poorly along with inconsistent cinematography and editing and Dave got himself and extremely mid, amateurish, fan fic goat rodeo
The character was still crap in Rebels imo. She literally had no character besides being good at EVERYTHING until season 4 finally gave her a character arc and it was STILL crap because all it did was make her even more of a Mary Sue.
I believe you mean the arc that started in Season 3 where she spends 2/3rds of an episode getting her @ss kicked by Kanan and revealing she was ostracized from her family. Not exactly Mary Sue traits.
Nothing was retconned because Yoda and Obi-Wan state that the force is in all living things. The midichlorians were the biological side of it and they too are in all living things but some people have more than others and are more force talented. The midichlotians were fully explained in TCW when Yoda speaks to the Whills of the force.
He’s dismissing anyone that knows the lore.
@@namor2x2x fr like he just calls any facts you present “Excuses” or “Settling for mediocrity” like tf
The force resides in all living things but only some people are able to use it, that is very basic SW lore.
The origin of this problem comes from one a certain Executive Producer on the show.
One Cuntleen Kennedy...
@@TheScoundresCantinaYou said it 👍🏽
9 months ago 😂
huyang said that among the children he met. Sabine's reception of the Force was the weakest of them all
It is possible that this is the reason why Kanan does not feel the force inside her
but yeah i agree with you she is unlikable
Feminism destroying another great female character 🙌🏼
Every single time they have to make them edgy girl bosses that tell other to piss off for reason whatsoever and thus destroy a good established character in order to make another stupid "girl boss".
Sabine's interest in Jedi training doesn’t feel all of the sudden to me. In fairness, its almost a decade after Rebels, and her desire to train is based on her prior training with Ahsoka post OT. There are noticeable differences between her depiction here vs Rebels, but I'm fine with her being a different character to some degree. It seems the years has made her more stubborn and made her a bit of a loner -- which given she's a veteran of the Galactic Civil War, and her Jedi training with Ahsoka ended sourly, doesn't surprise me.
Hopefully though, they show her growing out of that stubbornness, and more towards where she was last we saw her, which judging by episode 3, seems to be the case.
Also, if her force potential is as lacking as they've alluded to so far, Kanan might not have recognized the force within her as being different from anyone else the force resided normally within.
In regards to "Lightsabers being cheapened" -- this ties into a broader issue of fictional characters surviving seemingly lethal blows, which is present in a lot of fiction. I think if we're being fair, its been noticeably present within Star Wars since well before Disney bought it.
Personally, I don't think every time a character is stabbed with a lightsaber, it should always treated as lethal (Cal in JFO is a good example). But at the same time, Star Wars has a history of characters surviving seemingly lethal blows (including from lightsabers) and while sometimes its plausible, other times its agreeably aggravating. To me, Emperor Palpatine is the worst example -- in both canon and legends, although even worse with canon.
She was NOT LIKEABLE in Rebels either. 😂
Sabine is cheesy and annoying. She appears petulant and brings down the series.
You all are haters 😂