FANS ARE REALLY DONE! SABINE IS FORCE SENSITIVE in Ahsoka - My Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Fans are understandably angry that Sabine is now force sensitive. While many of us claim that's not how the force works, I must express how this was George Lucas' writings all along. I myself didn't want this to happen, however I didn't think Dave Filoni would actually go that deep to bring something George talked about in BTS and interviews to the Star Wars canon. I have no issue with it, it's George Lucas Star Wars, not Disney.
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I think keeping her weak in the force is something that would be great for her character. She seems to be naturally talented in a lot of things so it is nice to finally see her struggle with something.
She could learn how to draw better.
Weak in the force but strong enough to give her limited foresight, just enough to make her an even better fighter.
If she's weak, she'll be more likely to use anger and aggression to compensate which could be an interesting angle to take her character
yeah, that's why I like Witches in Star Wars because it gives diversity to the powerful people in the universe
a lot of important characters being force sensitive makes being a Jedi or Sith(or anything in between)feel kinda boring and not a big deal anymore
It's a Kathleen Kennedy show and she's a female character. Female Kathleen Kennedy characters don't struggle.
Ahsoka refused to train Grogu because of his attachments to Mando but now she is training Sabine who is super angry all the time and very emotional attached to Ezra... like wtf?
Attachments seem to be most dangerous to Jedi when you have strong Force aptitude. Attachments cause desperation, desperation makes the dark side more appealing. If she's too weak to use many dark side powers, the dark side won't be as tempting to her. I think that's why Ahsoka didn't want to train Grogu. He's very Force attuned, and attached, AND a child. Grogu is a baby! He could tap into the dark side and not even realize it to save his family or something.
But she's a woman so it's okay.
I mean, Ahsoka DID walk away from Sabine before
Ahsoka sent Grogu to Luke because she thought he could be a better master. In the end, Grogu was the one that decided to go with Din Djarin instead of Luke.
tell me you don't understand subtext without telling me you don't understand subtext. That's not the real reason she refused to train Grogu, we know the real reason why now.
In the immortal words of Syndrome, “When everyone is super, no one will be” . (The Incredibles)
That’s what they also did to the Spartans in Halo 4 and 5. When they introduced the rightfully hated, the Spartan-IVs 😒
My only problem is that it seems like they’re ignoring Sabine’s training with Kanan and Ezra
No they’re not. There’s a video comparing her stances with the saber and her holding the knife in the show to rebels. It’s exactly the way Kanan trained her to use them. I think the only training she got from Ahsoka was force training and some honing of her saber combat.
@YellowGhost199 I wasn’t really looking for subtle things like that. I expected them to reference in a bit bigger and more obvious way but thanks I’ll have to rewatch for that
@@spectre001_6she did say she hasn't trained in a while. But I feel you, her mentioning it outright woulda been cool
@@spectre001_6 I could be remembering wrong, but I think there was a fleeting comment in Episode 3 regarding Sabine's training with Kanan.
Well she was more competent with the saber when she had all her mandalorian gadgets something she didn’t have in her fight
Hera: Or maybe because she doesn't have the Force, you don't believe she can do this?
Kanan: No. The Force resides in all living things. But you have to be open to it. Sabine is blocked. Her mind is conflicted. She's so expressive and yet so tightly wound. She's so... Hera: Mandalorian.
Star Wars Rebels S3EP14 Trails of The Dark Saber
Just because it was in the show doesn't mean it's not totally stupid.
@@joshuakolton9955 in what way is it stupid if the creator of the entire franchise made this point of view? Again this is a classic example of Star Wars fans making their own canon and getting pissed when it isn’t followed.
@@joshuakolton9955 this was the exact show the character first appeared. R u okay there?
Exactly this is not new 🤣 this has always been a thing
So she needs to unwind in order to use the force
I think she's just going to be like Chirrut from Rogue One. Not strong enough to lift objects and whatever, but definitely more in tune with the Force than the average Joe, which enhances her combat skills.
Yeah that would be cool
yeah i would be ok with that
My thinking exactly
I hope so
Agreed. Can sense if someone out of her vision is aiming at her and get out of the way before she’s shot.
I think, at best, she gets Force-based reflexes, but it's still her Mandalorian skillset and gear that she uses along with that to make up the difference. Thinking back to Rebels, they did teach her to use everything she had at her disposal with an open mind, not relying on any one thing but everything
The trailers show her pulling that cup with the force
@@hardcase-69 Except she didn't. Classic trailer misdirection.
I hate the fact that people here are forgetting that being born with the force versus being able to use the force are vastly different things. If anything being said in this video were true then why didn’t the Jedi take ANY child and train them into a Jedi instead of only a very rare select few across the universe who could use it.
I really like the idea of a Jurassic Park-style scene where Sabine is walking though the woods, senses a really quiet breath or stick breaking, and is able to prevent being killed by Shin or some other attacker bc of her heightened senses.
Sabine could just use the force passively in a way that it works to her will without actually making rocks levitate
This would be the best way to go about it
I imagine she will use it to increase her physical abilities: speed, strength, jump hight, and what not. We might get some light Saber return but not the throw. She's also really good with lasers so there is something there probably.
That would be a much more intelligent way to allow her to wield the force. Cause realistically having her move objects would make her look like some kind of performing monkey doing circus tricks. Just hope Disney doesn’t go crazy stupid with this idea.
Yeah that would make sense I mean don't get me wrong I don't hate her she's actually really cool but I don't really like the idea of her becoming a Jedi because I kind of just defeat the purpose of what she was in the rebels the show
Just like the Monk in Rogue One!
I suspect that Sabin will learn to hear the force, so she can listen to it, but not necessarily wield it - like she can use it to deflect blaster fire, sense danger, heighten her combat skills; but not force push etc.
I agree. She's more of a weapons expert than a Mental(?) expert lol
She is mandalorian. It makes sense her skills would be battle related
but THEORY.........if thats true............WHY IS THE A LIST OF FORCE SENSITIVE CHILDREN IF ANYONE CAN BECOME A JEDI? aaahhaaaa!
@@bulletprooftheonlinepunish6086 Well not very one was "worthy" that why the list how sensitive thet were, they evaluated the children
@@bulletprooftheonlinepunish6086 No? Jedi are the peak of Light side force users, extremely high difficulty abilities that requires a minimum midichlorian count. Having some of the most basic abilities like what the commenter pointed out, is not enough to become a Jedi.
This definitely goes along with Chirrut and his abilities, he wasn't a traditonal "force user" or Jedi, his awareness came from meditating with the Force and lots of practice
I thought it was pretty much understood that practically anyone can be trained to some degree to use the Force even if just to heighten the senses and that typical Jedi were kids who had such a strong affinity for it that it manifested without any training. Also, between all of the books and movies, it's kind of logical to assume that there are far, far more people in the galaxy that have connections to the Force (whether they realize it or not) than ever become a Jedi or some other trained Force user. Yoda basically said everyone were "luminous beings" of the Force.
I loved Chirrut.
@@andrewbartczak5941IP MAN
My favorite quote in The Incredibles is "if everyone is super, nobody is"
One thing that really stuck out to me was a line that Ahsoka said about how everyone is able to use the force, but not always in a physical way. That made me immediately think of Chirrut Îmwe from Rogue One where he used the force to heighten his senses rather than using it in a more physical way. I think that Ahsoka could teach Sabine to use the force in tandem with her bladework to make her a really strong warrior. This would also make sense when you also add in the scene where Sabine did the blind sword training.
This is literally what’s happening but these tools in the comments are throwing a hissy fit over something that was obviously carefully looked over by Dave
@@z0pplind0pplin78exactly, a lot of people (mostly those who haven’t even seen clone wars or rebels) are complaining about things that have already been explain in canon or that are still pending to be developed like if the show had already ended.
One thing I can say is that probably that type of criticism wouldn’t exist of the series had been released fully on the same week.
I don’t know if that counts as everyone? I mean Chirrut was a temple guardian, so it’s easy to say he was slightly force sensitive. Idk about the stuff regarding sabine, though I’m guessing people want force sensitivity to be treated with more respect. Regarding Rey, her force sensitivity in itself was fine, and being risen up to stop kylo is fine, but she really needed more training to justify her strength imo.
George Lucas actually said anyone with ENOUGH midichlorians can use the force, so not "everyone can be a jedi" like theory says according to George Lucas at least.
That’s the whole point of the Bendu arc in Rebels with Kanan.
The thing is, Sabine was very competent without the force. One of the great things about her character is that she never needed the force
And yet the force is always influencing her actions.
Ahh but you forgot the secret arts of Darth Kathleen my good friend, The Force... Is..... FEMALE!
Yes. why does she have to be a jedi? Because in Kathleens SW, women are superior to men.
Bo Katan> Din Djarin
Rey > Luke, Kylo amd Palpatime
Armoress > All mandos
Fennic Shand > Boba Fett
Sabine Wren > Ezra
Asohka > Vader Anakin? , Darth Maul and Kanan and Thrawn.
Morgan Elsbeth > Baylan
Jyn Erso = Andor
All by design
MANDALORIAN
@@KnotsOfWondersoh stop being so pathetic
And she just forced grabbed her lightsaber and forced pushed Erza across a giant gap....😐
I think after quite some training that Sabine will be able to hear little things in the Force. The map in the show is just a path to a galaxy, not the direct path to Trawn and Ezra but close to them. They will follow that path and once they're there Sabine might be able to sense in what direction Ezra is because of the connection she has to him and the little force power
The issue really isnt that shes force sensitive. Every living thing in the galaxy has the force. The issue would be if sabine learns to wield the force and all of a sudden shes more powerful than everyone. But from what we have seen with the show that doesnt seem to be the case, and it doesnt seem to be going in that direction. I see her being almost like a Chirut Imwe type character (which no one had any issues with att)
Some of these people just hate women
I have issue whit you because youu are gay
The show hasn't showed us anything. Just wait.
Admiral Holdo will show up and show her how to use the force.
But that’s not an issue because it hasn’t happened, people are getting pre-mad about something that’s not been said so far. I agree abt Chirut’s example, Ahsoka seems to be a show all about non traditional ways of experiencing the force
I think the extent of her Force abilities will just be the ability to sense things. I don't think she'll be able to physically do anything with it.
So like Poe Dameron
That would be intelligent. But to have her moving objects and back flipping or using force lighting would be the height of stupidity. We’d basically have another Rey on our hands.
@@jango5151or Chirut Imwe(?)
like Han
@@LordVader66Like Finn too
I'm currently happy with Sabine's progress. She isn't being given power,she is working towards earning it.
Why is a force sensitive Ahsoka not enough for this show? I tought Sabine would be perfect for some bombing action
@@film-apparat well this is supposed to be a "rebuilding" phase for the Jedi. So why not?
@@film-apparatwhy is sabine training to low padawan level too much? How are you quantifying how much force you need in the show, is there a formula? If the number of force users squared is equal to or higher than the number of episodes then it's bad? Wait to see the full progression and character development before deciding if it was a good inclusion or not.
Finally - a reasonable comment.
@@banishedpest115 I know Disney doesn't want to use it, because it is George, but we're forgetting about the "Midichlorian" thing.The amount one possesses, determines if they can have connection with the Living Force in the first place. Just because it's in all living things, doesn't mean you can use it.
Hey Theory, could you make a video discussing how powerful Kanan and Ezra were by the end of Rebels Season 4? I feel like they are both very underrated characters, and after kanan lost his eyesight, and Ezra lost his master, their respective true potential came out and really showed how powerful they truly were
I remember hearing once that every time someone says "I have a bad feeling about this", that is the Force speaking to them and warning them of trouble, whether they were Force Sensitive or not. Even from Episode IV when Obi Wan explains what the Force is to Luke we've known that it exists in all living things throughout the Galaxy, it's just a matter of learning to tap into it. Some may have greater aptitude for it, but that doesn't mean most people can't learn. I liked the idea of Chirrut Îmwe from Rogue One, in that he didn't have any innate Force abilities, but his faith in the Force and his giving himself over to let the Force guide him might have made him adept in other ways. I hope that's the route they take with Sabine. Rather than make her a full on Jedi, she learns to use the Force in a way that is appropriate to her.
Chirrut was very strong in the force. He was able to defeat a whole group of stormtroopers as a *blind* *man* by dodging and having them shoot each other.
Like Atton did
Being able to actually wield the force is supposed to be rare, being force sensitive is not supposed to be something anybody can simply learn to do with training. The force binds all things together, even rocks and trees but only force sensitives can manipulate it and this ability is supposed to be rare and I really hope they don't change that as it will cheapen the whole concept of being a force wielder.
@@quigonlynn1 That is factually incorrect. George Lucas himself said anything can wield the force with enough training. 'Force sensitive' isn't a label to slap on force users. That's literally what those are called. Force users.
Force sensitive people are more sensitive to the force than the average person, which makes it easier (more so depending how strong in the force they are) to wield the force. But theoretically, anyone with enough training and patience can learn to wield the force, it just takes focus. That theory seems to be tested here.
@mar_speedman he said that in an interview during filming the original trilogy, he later changed his mind as he often did and brought in the idea of midi chlorians which is a way of seeing if someone is able to be trained. The idea that literally anyone could be trained to wield the force is nonsense and being force sensitive enough to do so is supposed to be rare.
i think sabines force powers should just be enhanced reflexes and senses rather than being able to move stuff
big fan btw
Yeah I think that’s the best way
Unconscious uses of the force.
Like hunters 6th sense but force based
Exactly... like Dyon Stadd from the Fate of the Jedi series.
That's basically what most untrained and naturally gifted people have. There's creatures and races who aren't force practitioners but have a high level of unconscious use of force.
Like anakin the best pod racer or Luke 'Force Wishing' 2 proton torpedoes to travel through 60 kilometers of ventilation shaft...
You have to remember she’s a Mandalorian, they are used to training plus she was already trained by Kanan. She’ll probably be able to use it in battle. And I agree with what you said.
I like the idea of her eventually being about to focus her power and add that to her Mandalorian training to make her more precise and focused. Like don't show her using the force by moving shit but have her learn to use it to actually being able to contend better against actual force users. It would be like using magic to heighten your combat speed and ability as a warrior is some fantasy world. You are still a warrior, so you can't cast spells, but you have buffed yourself enough to be on a higher level of power.
As long as she doesn't start moving rocks or huge force pushes i think it's fine. Even Han and Padme had the force...they just had a low M count
yeah that would be fine. As long as she isnt suddenly capable of force pulls or mastering some lightsaber form by the final episode... Oh wait, disney will probably make that happen.
This sounds like a big cope to me, you know she will do it eventually...
Does everyone need to be Force sensitive nowadays?
I don't care if she lifts rocks and force pushes people. Just show us her training, show us her journey. Don't ram it down our throats like they did with Rey.
@@JJ-nh8lvthat’s exactly what they’ve been doing lol half the last episode was abt her training and still not being able to use the force consciously
What i am hoping for is, she incapable of moving objects, but her senses through the force do increase, which makes her react faster, or sense others. Since that seems to be the most innate force ability, jedi reflexes. (as Qui Gon said in Ep1 about Anakin.)
Yeah, that with maybe a tiny cup wiggle at the end would be good
You mean like Chirrut’s level?
I would like to see a Mandalorian/ Sabine specific force power, like how Quinlan can see the past by picking up objects. That way she can be super nerfed in most other aspects of jedi training but can make the Jedi training significant to reach a point of spiritual and physical growth
I think what was great was when Sabine couldn't force push shin, but she improvised and used her wrist rocket now THAT was cool and it's something I think we need more of.. more of her being able to improvise and improve her senses.. not being able to straight up force push, pull and choke people
I do not have a problem with Sabine becoming more powerful over time if she is willing to invest the time and commitment to her training in the ways of the Force. It is far more fulfilling to start at the bottom in the Force and strive to improve rather than start at the top with a ton of talent and become consumed with hubris because of it.
The hell with her being Force sensitive. She’s Unkillable!
*cough* *cough* anakin *cough* *cough*
Well, a lot of people do
Honestly, I just hope its just being able to anticipate opponents movements
Big time buddy I'm with you. If she had jedi stats powers im done with it. Show is called ahsoka
There's no way she'll survive the next duel with Shin without force refusing to use Mandalorian weapons . Or she can simply use whistling birds and kill them all . I've never seen a Jedi or Sith fight 10 whistling birds randomly flying supersonic towards them.
@@mikorist1804well there’s a lot of people who don’t use force powers but can best Jedi’s and sith, cad bane was one, so I think the mando gear she has plus an ability to “sense” someone’s next move is probably enough for her with shin since she’s already a good fighter
@@haidermalik5744 The problem is that all Sabine gear is with Hera on Ghost - jetpack too. I don't think she even has the vambraces that repel jedi.I think a pack of whistling birds would be enough and a flamethrower. She is like a predator then.
@@mikorist1804 she has her gear (excluding the jet pack) with her I’m pretty sure since you can see it when she’s suited up in episode 2
This commentary was soothing and well thought out. We need more like this.
I really like the fact that you can use the force if you train and compose yourself. I think it relates to every young star wars fan that tried to move his/her cup with the force as a « game » but still having a tiny hope that it would move. It’s silly, but seeing Sabine like this brings me back. I 100% relate to her and if she just manages to use the force as a way to gain peace of mind and clear awareness in battle it would be awesome. Basicly it says, everybody can be spectacular if you put work into it. I love every piece of the show so far. May the force be with you guys !
I don't think Sabine needs to put work into it because she is already proficient in combat. It's like playing black jack, you don't win by trying "hard" to remember all the cards in a 7 boot stack. It's more like knowing that the next stack of cards are all low level and that you will have to adjust your playing strategy to make the next set of cards equal to 21 such that statistically you end up on the positive side of your ledger.
Jedis kidnapped kids sensitive to the force.... so if everyone is able to do it .... sorry Disney if you're gonna steal a name's show u have to stuck to the rules of his universe
What if she uses her abilities to maybe sense tremors/feelings in art. To help her decode ways to find Ezra, just how she unlocked the key to the map.
Like how some can communicate with animals and other beings. I like it
Reminds me of the moment between Luke and Obi where Luke asks if the Force controls your actions and Obi replies «partially».
I dont want Sabine to be force sensitive either. I thought she was a cool character without being able to use the force
Yeah like a powerful mando
Filoni is basically stablishing that without the Force you cannot be relevant to the Star Wars franchise. It's Darth Traya's prophecy transcending time and space and actually affecting Lucasfilm IRL, this fixation in the Jedi and the Force will lead Filoni to ruin the same way It does the Star Wars Galaxy.
If she does it wouldn't affect all to much bc she won't be able to do much with it
@Gulmanzo69 Exactly 💯
Same, she did not need that shit and that scene with the lightsaber fight in the first episode was dumb. i was hyped as fuck to see the rebels characters in live action with Ahsoka. but i ended up cringing so hard after the first episode. every came off so lame except for maybe Baelon. I could not continue after episode 2, im good.
Currently rewatching Rebels and the funny part is that S3 ep15 "Trials of the Darksaber" Kanan also talks about how the force resides in all living beings. Sabine has had a lot longer training with the force than what everyone remembers.
She had literally 0 seconds of force lessons. It was all lightsaber stances and techniques
@hardcase-69 Bendu popped up as she was walking away, implying that he felt something within the Force around her. She literally spent years working alongside Force users, and Kanan even said that her stubbornness, anger, and frustration were what was preventing her from being able to tap into the force. I think this season of Ahsoka will show her letting go of the chains that bind her and allow her to finally tap into the Force. Im convinced that she has a strong idea of how to do things but just cannot actually do those things due to her lack of focus and her stubbornness.
That is not how the force works
I kinda always took the force as being kinda like music. Anyone can try and learn music but for some it’s just so much easier. Some musicians are really fluid with their instrument and make it look so easy and others look almost robotic when they play. Least that is my take.
Under Disney, a lot of inspiration has been taken from the MMO Swtor so far. There is a Mando in that game that can only use the Force somewhat when he is angry, basically amplifying his weak Force affinity through anger to the point where he can at least lift stuff. Maybe she will be the same
If they really want to do this, it’s not a dealbreaker for me personally. Sabine has always been gifted with weapons and was able to wield the darksaber effectively, so it’s not like her having an underlying ability to tap into the force would be super outlandish. I just hope they would keep her abilities “ tame” - no “awakening” hax that suddenly flip a switch in her soul and let her use the force like a Jedi with decades of training.
thats the thing... so far they said she has no underlying ability beyond what ANYONE else has. ANYONE can tap into and use the force, some are born with a far greater potential to do so and if they were born in the republic, the jedi usually snatched them up. That potential could be the lengths with which you can use it or it could just be the ease to which you can use it.
Fast forward and Sabine threw Ezra like a football field onto thrawn's ship no problem. And pulling her lightsaber all over the place.
That pic of her with the short hair with a smirk on her face makes get the feeling she is going to ask to speak to my manager.
I think the best middle ground for her is simply to have her be able to tap into the force but not manipulate it. Sabine has always had a powerful intuition and genius intellect when it comes to the intricacies of mechanics and she has been shown to at least be able to hear or sense of force throughout Rebels even if she wasn't aware that's what happening. So I think at least by the end she will perhaps be able to at least sense the force and use it to guide her actions but not actively control it
Part of Sabine’s charm was that she was just normal, couldn’t really tap into the force as a Jedi could. But she was able to adapt improvise and overcome.
She was never normal. No normal person can move and jump the way her character did....there was always something special about her abilities but it was never addressed, nor even hinted at, during the four seasons of Rebels. I'm almost certain that if this sub plot happened in a hypothetical animated Rebels season five that nobody would care, in fact they would probably embrace it and think it was awesome....but animation gets away with so much because none of it is real, live action doesn't have that same leeway. I think it's something Filoni, whose writing and directing experience is 95% in animated content, needs to wrap his head around and perhaps evolve or adapt his style to differentiate between live action and animation.
@@inefektits called a marчy sue. Its animation. Things are exaggerates.
Sounds familiar
Sabine wielded the Darksaber…she’s not normal lol
@@149nickjones so did Pre Visla, and Bokatan, and they weren’t force sensitive, just exceptional warriors. What’s your point? I swear this community has forgotten about how so many heroes never had use of the force and by that metric were arguably greater because of it. I still remember KoToR2 when Kreia talks about how without the force many could easily defeat a Jedi because of their reliance of it.
I don’t know if I agree with theory’s take on any character can use (wield) the force, I perceived it as every character can tap into a sensitivity of the force, maybe see or hear things, but I feel like most characters in Star Wars have too low of midochlorian counts to even be able to you the force
Awesome Video!!! Personally, I'm also fine with Sabine being able to use The Force as long as it's really weak. Plus She's already a skilled Mandalorian warrior so She doesn’t even really need to use The Force but I really like The Idea that The Force is in all of Us.
You just have to have the talent and power to use it.
I’d prefer Sabine do go through weapons training like she started in the latest episode. She could get really skilful without needing the Force.
@beachgirl1701 Agreed
I think her having weak force abilities and using her Mandalorian training to compensate would be a good middle ground.
“Mandalorian training” can’t even shoot down ships that only attack from one angle.
We found one guys ^^^
@@travisvanalst4698I bet if she immediately hit every shot, people would still complain that she's too good at everything
Yeah, in Rebels she made do with her grappling hook as opposed to being able to force push etc, and that was a really cool fighting style
She could be able to use the force just to guide her or smtg like that. Fighting like a mandalorian and using the force to guide her instincts.
I couldn't agree more with your take on Sabine's new development. I was initially (and partially still am) nervous about her training with Ahsoka, moreso on the Force sensing and abilities. Afterall, in her Rebels S3 arcs this is pointed out by Ezra ("...I use the force.") and Kanan ("teach you to be proficient with the blade", or something along the lines). If I remember correctly, I think Kanan did say that everyone has the force, within the same episode.
Also, loved your Force lore videos. There was some missing pieces within my own understanding of the lore that you filled in. 👍
I feel like there is going to be some pivotal moment where Ahsoka is in danger and Sabine performs some SMALL I mean very small use of the force that the ops aren't expecting and gives Ahsoka enough time to leap into action. I have no issue with her using the force as more of a "heightened sense" as opposed to like straight force throwing boulders at hoes.
I believe that, by the end of the season, Sabine will realize the way of the Jedi isn't the right path for her and will give her place as Ahsoka's apprentice to someone who is even more in need of the training and guidance Ahsoka has to offer. I think that Shin will end up being Ahsoka's real apprentice.
I dunno about that. Either of that actually.
1- I don't like the idea of Ahsoka being a teacher. It doesn't make sense for her. She's also being awfully cold with Sabine, it just feels wrong. Ahsoka isn't making a great Jedi master. If anything she's worse than Obi-wan ever was to Anakin!
2- That idea you have of Sabine realizing the Jedi path isn't for her? The most natural way to convey this on screen is to make it clear that Sabine can't choose the path of the Jedi and the path of the Mandalorians at the same time. It makes sense because they're opposites in a lot of ways, as well as one being her past, the other her possible future.
But we don't get that. We don't see Sabine wearing her mandalorian armor, and she doesn't put it on until she decides to dedicate to being a Jedi... Which doesn't make sense. The show really doesn't seem to understand or care about the intricacies of the subplot they're weaving. It doesn't seem deep enough to me as of yet for me to expect something like that.
More importantly, it wouldn't really work? Because it really just looks like Sabine was fine with being a mandalorian up until suddenly she wasn't. Would the show really take her through character growth which only brings her to back where she was in rebels? That's more regression than growth.
Getting stabbed with a lightsaber n walking around the next day is insane to see. Disgusted in Disney at this point
i feel like you made a good case why she could be a really great Jedi with the right strategy, and obi wan being a low power force user as an example in this case was perfect. and i definitely agree at this point, based on what we know, it should probably be a slow progression, if she doesn't give up
I honestly think it'd be super cool to see Sabine being able to become a amateur force user but not in a jedi way. The ability to connect with the force while being with a badass mandalorian would be amazing!
And this is one of the many reasons that star wars is dead. It has gotten really dumb and the galaxy feels very small.
Idk man. It seems more and more that having the force isn’t even special anymore if almost everyone has it smh
@@yallacrazyNo way the force is in everyone 😮
@@yallacrazy It's literally been that way forever. Only the most attuned, talented and trained users can actually manipulate it in a substantial way though.
@@ME3fan no it has not literally been forever, why do you lie? Entire plots and characters from the EU would not have been possible if everyone was always a latent force sensitive, which makes sense as most of those books were written before midichlorians were even a concept.
I think I like the way that George explains the force. I believe at the end she will have some force ability. No much but it will save her in battle. It would need to be something great that Ezra or Khana taught her that she finally understood right in the peak of battle and the force sets free in her.
If you've seen Generation Tech's video on the different levels of force sensitivity, put simply, she has the same amount of force sensitivity as someone, like, for example, Han Solo or even Cad Bane. Basically, it allows them to have incredibly quick reflexes, but not actually able to USE the force.
If/when she is able to wield the force I’d find it really interesting to see her flirt with the dark side. See another way of how it can manifest and her dealing with that. I think filoni is one of the best choices to portray that aswell
I think that at the most, Sabine will be able to at least let the force guide her in a fight. She could possibly hold her own for a short time against a true force user, but would absolutely wreck any other non-force user in melee combat. As Ahsoka says, she is very skilled simply because she's Mandolorian and has that martial training from a young age.
Trained non Force user can hold his own against Force User - Remember Cad Bane, who was able to fight two Jedi Masters at the same time, or Pre Vizsla who was able go toe to toe with Darth Maul, or even Sabine herself, during Trials of th Darksaber. She already is trained, with Force Instincts and limited precognition she should be able to fight any Force User who isnt totaly OP.
I think it would be cool if she just like used the force to heighten her senses and her athleticism. Seems the kinda foreshadowed it a little last episode when Ahsoka had her wear the helmet and try to hear and anticipate her strikes, and that since she a mando her fighting skills are already there.
Move the cup? She threw ezra over the ship 😂 in last episode.
you continue to be the voice of reason in the Star Wars community and youtube that is filled with Hate and Negative essays about Star Wars
A lot of them are fake fans, anti Disney, republicans commenting on anything Disney calling everything woke and bla bla bla… I’m tired of them
Important to keep in mind that she trained with Kanan and Ahsoka prior to the start of this show as well and she still can’t move the cup
There is a scene in one of the TV spots or trailers where it looks like Sabine is defeated, and as a last ditch effort is attempting to use the force. I really hope the show doesn't follow the classic trope of a character's potential accelerating upon a near death experience. If so, I’m guessing she may end up using the force to throw a log or rock at Shin, knocking her out right before Shin attempts to strike her down.
I hope they don't repeat some bs from Obi Wan when he suddenly became better at telekinesis than Yoda and overpowered Vader with force.
The same way I don't really want to see Sabine force pushing Shin around or something.
Another quality video, keep em' coming!
Maybe she gives into her anger to make use of the force, but doesn’t necessarily become a darksider. I mean, after all, we’ve seen people who have little to no prowess with the force become adept at it through the dark side.
The best example of this is Savage Oppress. We saw that he was just a clumsy brute before being trained by Dooku after the training he was still a brute, but he could make use of the force, lifting heavy objects, force pull, force push, and all that.
I think it would be interesting to see another force user use this method while still being aligned with the “good guys”.
They don’t need to make every character force sensitive I don’t get why they do
Every character is force sensitive to a point, it's just how much potential and training they have
Yeah I think this is the entire point. @@everettjohnson9374
@@everettjohnson9374 yea I get that but force wielders obviously have an abnormal amount so why make an already good character someone that they don’t need to be
George Lucas originally made her force sensitive soooo😬
Because Star Wars is about everyone being a Jedi hence the title return of the Jedi
Lukas himself once said the force is there for everyone. It takes time and hard work to master it. Some, like the jedi/sith are more open to it. But all, if they work hard enough they can tap into it. So the force is not exclusive to a select few. And makes a lot more sense than what we have seen before.
I really like how Asoka goes back to the old Star Wars ways. Going to enjoy this series.
I’m still convinced Ahsoka needs Sabine to be semi force sensitive to just help get to Ezra. Ahsoka might think Ezra has fallen to the dark side or is somehow lost in the force and Sabine is the only one who could help.
U clearly don’t know who Ezra is
Ezra’s done that once, I don’t think he’ll do it again 😅
Ahsoka taking on a Padawan that isn't terribly force sensitive sounds kind of Altisian. Which is interesting because in an early (now Legends) Clone Wars tie-in novel "No Prisoners", Ahsoka and Rex actually met Djinn Altis and some of his follows. 🤔
Maybe she'll only end up being able to sense and communicate with Ezra, but by doing so she gains an understanding of the force that ultimately helps her lightsaber training
I have seen legit nothing but people liking this idea and supporting it because it goes back to how George originally set the universe up
Sounds like theory is exaggerating things for content again
@@nash92same. But Twitter will be Twitter for you
Scroll down comments there's some.
I’ve literally not seen anyone but theory like the idea. Everyone seems to hate it.
@@TheRibottoStudios “Anyone who doesn’t like stupid shit in Star Wars is a fake fan”🤓
Great explanation! Hopefully it will go as you hope it will, not her becoming a Super-Jedi in a short time.
I feel like someone working on this show missed the part when Kanan trained Sabine only to realize that what worked for Sabine was doing things her Mandalorian way. Which of course makes the whole bit about them leaving to find Ezra at the end of Rebels frustrating because apparently instead of leaving to find Ezra like they were going to do, Ahsoka decided it'd be a better idea to have Sabine do the opposite of what Kanan realized a long time ago and have her swing a practice sword around for a few years ( cause her hair got pretty long ) before they just move onto their new life of not 'looking' for Ezra... but thinking about it...
And Sabine... well... for whatever reason she's completely abandoned her Mandalorian way even when facing a force wielder... Maybe the simpler answer is what did "I" miss? Can anyone help with that?
If I remember during her training with Kanan in Rebels he hinted at her having abilities when she was using the Dark Saber.
I think this could become a great transition into other ways the force can be used. A person's talent could stem from their connection to the force.
Imagine she turns into like a force ninja. She used the force for speed, jump, throw, senses, ect. But no object manipulation
i think it would be fair to give her an boost with the force with skills she already has like her blasters aiming for instance will be precise instead of accurate also go small boost in agility and perception and reflex
My thoughts would are very simple, we don't know how deep her ability will reach. I think it's cool to see the force in all of us through Sabine.
honestly it could be like the character from rogue one
Facts, I've known since the original trilogy, reading George's notes on a new hope (that were in the original RPG source material) that any being can tap the force with training (or naturally) to lesser or greater degree. But without that training, or raw potential, there is no shortcut. Its just like being a samurai, you become samurai by birth, you become a master swordsman through years of training. The Force is no different.
odd Ahsoka would not train Grogu but is ready to train Sabine no problem
I don’t think Sabine is going to be force pushing or pulling, etc. but maybe goin to learn how to do something akin to battle meditation like in the old republic days. There’s many force abilities that really haven’t been explored much yet. I think something new special to her character will be nice to see.
I think she will only manifest powers that help with her saber fighting. So she can sense stuff like you said but hopefully not doing crazy force stuff. Also I wonder how Ezra will feel when he finds out that Ahsoka trained Sabine when she wouldn’t train him.
100% she had to move the cup by the end of the season. It’s Chekhov’s Gun.
Clan Wren is part of House Vizla. She could be a long lost descendant, but that feels like it would be a crazy reveal.
It was hinted already in a conversation between Hara and Kanan in Rebels…… I’m shocked how few actually paid attention.
People rather be angry
I'd love to see her use her Mandalorian gadgets super effectively because she has heightened (trained) Force sensitivity or anticipation, rather than going "full Jedi"
Im hyped for this. I think she should have maybe a little bit of it tho. Like light items nothing heavy. I mean shit look at Finn. Finn had the feeling of it at the minimum and so did Jannah she said that when they met
would love to see her try that in the future and then the glass moves towards her and she gets all surprised but then Mando and Guru are right behind her and guru just laughs cause he knows what she was trying to do
I remember when Yoda was teaching Luke he was explaining the force to him. That it is in all creatures it surrounds everything and anything.
I think to make this work 1) they absolutely must explain WHY ahsoka decided to train her as I never expected ahsoka to train anyone let alone Sabine since they didnt have a connection before 2) and not letting Sabine do a whole lot of powerful force moves
1- This
2- Also this
She can't even utilize the Force to move a cup in the slightest.... you actually think they're going to turn around a few episodes later and magically Sabine is fighting like Yoda against Palpatine?
Literally nothing in this show indicates that's where things are headed lol
Anyone with intuition is "using the Force", it's not some magic only Jedi/Sith can cast lol
@@Flichter You say that, but the language of cinema is telling us that Sabine is going to improve far more than she has any right to.
Frankly, the fact she survived against the dark Jedi apprentice at all is BS. Why she didn't just force pull and stab Sabine, I have no idea
@@Flichteryes I DO think there will be an awakening...again
@@mar_speedman because the Dark Jedi wanted more or less humiliate Sabine, fighting her sword to sword (without any over force trick) because well dark side tend to make you arrogant and not really smart
I have always thought of the force as something everyone could tap into. Most people just never realize its happening. So any pilot or soldier that does amazing things and is so much better than the average person is someone who is strong in the force, they just don't have any "Jedi" training. The force can enhance reflexes, speed, strength ect ect
There are ways other than telekinesis that the force can be used. I don’t think Sabine will ever be able to use the force to move anything significantly, however, she could learn to be very similar to Chirrut from Rouge One. Using the force to anticipate attacks or sense things.
To add to my earlier comment , she didnt seem to be force sesative, but was trained by a knight (kanen) and a padawan / knight (ezra) before the whole ahsoka arc
If George Lucas has always said people can learn the force whoever they are why is it just now happening for the first time to Sabine of all people randomly in Ashoka’s show? It’s classic Disney BS in my opinion….
People will say it's because Dave worked with him and knows his vision or whatever. And while that is mostly true, I don't think George ever intended to make it where anyone can use it. He stated the force flows through everything but you have to have a certain amount of midichlorians to influence it in any noticeable way. Otherwise why wouldn't Luke train his friends to use it or something?
I didn't realize Obi-Wan struggled so much. That makes his pairing with Anakin even more interesting. There's lots of real life examples of people who are just naturally gifted that get by on that talent, and others who have to struggle and work for every bit, and in the end they're on the same level.
I had to think about Messi (Talented) and Ronaldo (Working and extra training).
It makes everything Obi Wan accomplished as a jedi even more impressive. Let alone taking on the likes of Anakin/Vader both in his pre-suit and post-suit forms and beating each version (though eventually dying to his blade in ANH, which was more of a let on Ben Kenobi's behalf). Him also being able to defeat Maul as a padawan and compete with the likes of a guy as talented and skilled as Dooku. Kenobi is and always will be the epitome of what a jedi should strive to be. It's why Yoda, Windu and a lot of the other masters had such great respect for him. Plus even Sidious deemed him as "incorruptible" in terms of turning to the dark side when Dooku proposed it.
With all that obi wan did onscreen .... really ? Okay so if that is weak then I guess it makes sabine really really low on the totem pole but also puts other jedi into question so onscreen why does obi wan do similar things to other jedi ? Why aren't they doing tons more incredible things.
@@chrisdonahue4205 Read it again, you completely missed the point. Never said weak, the opposite really.
@lando8702 I didn't miss the point I'm just saying it isn't shown the way its being suggested in books it never played out that way on screen. If you watched shows and the movies you think obi is one of the strongest because he survived and did all these great things over his life. It's hard to just suggest well the books say this because although I have read some of these I think most people don't go out of their way to read all the star wars novels and extended cannon
As a taijiquan, Qigong,martial arts, instructor and student i LOVE the idea that the force through training is accessible to all because the star wars force is based on Chi/KI/Prana/Qi/Ra and this is a very real thing that all of us have and can learn to sense and use through meditation and training... i hope Sabine becomes very powerful even if it takes her many years...and that fits with Lucas original ideas and the eastern philosophies he based the Jedi and Sith on...
the way i understood it was everyone has the force in them but only jedi are force sensitive
I like the way they’ve handled it so far. I think the way you’re describing it is accurate according to lore. I don’t think she’ll have mastered the force by the end of the show, but I do expect her to be using it somewhat. I think for the sake of telling a story for a season that doesn’t span several years and for the general audience it will be that way.
@youwontwin5354 I do, and I'm still complaining. Maybe this makes sense in the lore, maybe it doesn't (It does so far at least) but it also makes no sense cinematically. It's just, out of left field, forced on us in an awful way. Ahsoka and Sabine, who never had any connection with one another, are suddenly master and apprentice? Emphasis on 'suddenly' because we don't see a natural progression of their relationship till Ahsoka decides to train her. We're just told that they did that. We don't see the natural progression of Sabine's training until she quits, we're just told she does. That's bad writing.
So regardless of how well Dave writes this subplot, how well it makes sense in the lore, it's still been done wrong, and why fans are confused and unhappy.
Why is the show called “Ahsoka”? Is it not the “Sabine” show?
Because then people won’t watch it ☠️
Hi I'm a fan of the show and the podcast. and I'm wondering why did you remove all of the old episodes on your podcast channel
You are distorting Lucas's words to fit your narrative. I understand you love Filoni, and I used to, but lately he has fallen several rungs, at least at my eyes. Thanks to this project, the last Mandalorian season, and not sure if he had anything to say in the Obi Wan's and Boba Fett's shows that were both garbage.
What Lucas said was not that anyone out there was force sensitive, what he said is the same Yoda said in the OG trilogy: "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us, binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force flow around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, yes, even between the land and the ship." There's a big diference between that and having the ability to manipulate the will of the force.
If anyone can be a Jedi, why are not there more cults trying to master it? If you can master it thru the study of it, why Chirrut Îmwe was not able to just move a lever with his mind, him being a monk that dedicated his whole life to be a guardian and a scholar of the Wills and the Force? Why the Jedi council wasted so much energy in search for force sensitive kids? Why Obi Wan said to Yoda that Luke was the Last Hope if they could just search for anyone out there?
Sorry but no, it makes no sense. If you want you can create any theory to excuse anything in any script. Tomorrow there's a new character (for sure female) that can flight, lasers rebounds in her skin, and throws laser beams thru her eyes, and you can always create any excuse to say why that is ok. And shouldn't be like that, not at least if you're more than 8 years old, you're not biased in some way, and you really love Star Wars.
This Filoni project looks too much like a Kathleen Kenedi's "The Force is Female" show.
By the way, I hate that Disney habit of naming a show based on a character and then one realizing the main focus is not that character but another one they want to present or empower .. like in this case it should have been "Sabine, with Ahsoka as special guest", the last Mando season "The adventures of Bo-Katan and his sidekick Mando", or "The Leia show, featuring Obi Wan".
Im confused...what is the point in the inquisitors? If everyone can eventually be force sensitive? Why is vader hunting force sensitive children? 🤔
Some people are born naturally stronger in the force than others so those were the ones vader was after cus why wait for people to randomly try to start using the force. also george lucas said previously everyone has the ability to use the force to some degree, the jedi and sith just study it and they really only seek people who were born naturally gifted
Maybe they are hunting the ones with the high amount of midichlorians in them. Lets say, the more "talented" one. I dont know...
because they are easier to train (relatively speacking) and can do greater things and the inquisitors are teached only something of the Dark Side, enough to kill or hurt padawan or low hanging jedi but not enough to be a danger for a real Sith. Just see how Ashoka littreraly walk over them every time they fough