How to MASTER this shot!! Position Play for ALL SKILL LEVELS for 8-ball and 9-ball!!
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE LOVE IN THE LAST VIDEO!!!
We are back at it again, this time with a concept I REALLY have been wanting to do. This is one of my favorite shots, and I wanted to break down all of the different ways to use it, so I put it into categories of skill level.
PLEASE do NOT use these as doctrine, as I'm sure a lot of people are going to disagree with me! The skill levels are just a framework for the ideas here!
So many more options and shots can be played with this ball, this is just a few examples used to demonstrate broader pool skills.
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We are back at it again, this time with a concept I REALLY have been wanting to do. This is one of my favorite shots, and I wanted to break down all of the different ways to use it, so I put it into categories of skill level.
PLEASE do NOT use these as doctrine, as I'm sure a lot of people are going to disagree with me! The skill levels are just a framework for the ideas here!
So many more options and shots can be played with this ball, this is just a few examples used to demonstrate broader pool skills.
What's your favorite use of this situation???
Howdy, cool with the shout-out. Couple of things for your 4's. Everything you're saying is correct however they should practice these concepts but, and you may already advise them this way but one simple philosophy with respect to concepts, practice these ideas but in a league or turnament setting here's a very simple rule to follow NEVER EVER EVER shoot a shot that you don't feel comfortable with. In a league/tournament setting you are already somewhat stressed and to try to incorporate strategy/technique in that environment will likely result in a fail. practice the technique definately but in a stress situation go with your gut, eventually you will start to recognize that what you are being advised to do is actually more effective. Now for you Drew, something I've noticed in your stroke. It seems apparant that you know to keep your head down through the stroke, this is a critical component of a good stroke and for me personally whenever I was playing poorly it was always because I was pulling my head up too quickly. Sometimes even when you know that you are doing it you can't stop. That's typically when my cue goes in the case. So, I noticed that on a few of your shots you are pulling your head up as you are hitting the ball or immediately after contact. Try and keep your head down longer through the stroke. I'm pretty sure you already know this but like the pause this should be reflexive and an integral part of every single stroke no matter how easy or difficult it is. Cheers.
My leaguemates are laughing… because your advice is constantly stuff that I yap about nonstop at league !!
I mention in one of my match videos, that when I call a timeout, I ALWAYS ask what they are comfortable with, and NEVER make them try something “for the first time” in those scenarios. Like “Honestly, the shot here is to go low-inside spin and soft as hell to hold it, but I’m assuming you’ve never shot that right? Okay, we’re gonna just send it up and down, let’s go-“
When I hear other coaches suggest using english (left/right) to their 3 speeds, I cringe….
I noticed myself popping up in some of these shots as well and I’ve been avoiding acknowledging it out loud 😔… I need to work on this as it’s something I don’t consciously focus on!!! Thank you, as always, for great feedback!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
Also, I even started telling my league mates prior to league that: after you lag, we focus on what’s IN FRONT OF the cue ball, not whats BEHIND IT (your stroke, etc). Just get comfortable, don’t start changing things.
I got that from Josh over at Slate Billiards UA-cam channel!! I think it’s great advice!
@@drewvonporte Sometimes, with 4-5's, on a timeout I would walk up, put my arm on their shoulder and whisper conspiratorialy 'pause' and then sit down. I used to see some coaches trying to explain quantum physics to their players. 'nice job slick, way to boggle your player's mind'. It souds like you're doing a good job. Plus side, you're going to make your 4-5's into 6's. What seperates 7's in my mind is a solid tactical/safety game and that only happens with experience. YOu can make a 5 or a 6 but a 7 takes time and experience. Now the down side of your teaching technique is soon you will be playing with a bunch of 5-6's and that's no good, not in APA anyway. I"ve seen 4's jump to 6's in a couple of Weeks after teaching them to Pause. It really is a miraculous technque. IN any case, it's 6 AM now and whatddya know I'm babbling again. I'll shut up and I will try to make my comments pertinent to thequestion at hand. However, if I see you blasting your head up, you're gonna hear from me... Toodles..
Some of your best stuff Drew!!! Love you picking a shot and showing us how experiment with the same shot.! Thanks... Vince
Vince thank you!!!
I spent a ton of time on this and didn’t feel it resonated with my audience unfortunately 😭 I’m glad you enjoyed it!!
I also use the pause but there are a number of pro's who don't like the pause. Jeremy Jones being one of them. Watch his stroke video, It's an APA video, and make up your own mind. I've tried both and i kind of like the pause better. Your results may vary.
^ that’s it! I’ve watched that video, honestly, a couple times. He does mention a pause, but he refers more so to the pause AT the cue ball (not in the transition).
And in my response to the commenter, I mentioned that I felt like I learned that the pause is not a “must” and will vary with players (neils and melling have huge pauses, for example). I’ve gone back and forth with this about the pause in my stroke, and everytime I come back to the pause- my game improves 😒
You think I’d learn something eventually……… haha thanks for this feedback!!! 👊🏼
These types of 'problem scenario' videos are so helpful! I also really appreciate the way you analyze different solutions in terms of level/difficulty! Keep 'em coming! :-)
Awesome!! Was really expecting to get crucified for trying to assign skill level to shots 😂
@@drewvonporte I actually think that type of information organized by difficulty level is really useful. You were careful not to say that people shouldn't attempt something (not that you could stop them!), but instead offered ideas that could be immediately useful to the lower levels. One thing that can be hard with UA-cam videos is when they offer something, make it look easy, and it is completely out of reach.
@@berkeleyltc8568 Awesome! Glad to hear!! Yes, I agree that a LOT of UA-cam pool instruction is much higher level than it seems sometimes 😅… which IS entertaining for sure, but I do have interest in the early phases of becoming a poolplayer (which is why I stay in the APA).
Thank you !! 👊🏼🤙🏼
Home run! Well thought out, a little something for all levels, warnings. Well done, sharing this with my team.
Awesome man!! Thanks!! 👊🏼👊🏼
Good video. I always tell lows these ducks can get you anywhere and i see so many that are so scared of scratching on this shot for all the reasons you said at the beginning.
Then this video hit the spot!? Awesome! Its so true! Might be an “easy” shot, but so many pool concepts apply to this and can be demo’d with this shot 👊🏼🤙🏼
Drew,
First of all, mate great content really informative.
It was a great first video for me in your collection going by your guidelines, I'm about a level 4
I loved how you showed so many different ways it worked and didn't.
Well you have a new subscriber and looking forward to watching more of your work
Awesome Drew
Oh jeez well like I said, don’t use my skill level examples as doctrine! It was just a fun way to ramp up the complexity of position 🎉🎉
I’m glad you enjoy the content! There will definitely be more to come!! Thank you so much for the feedback!!
I have a ton of info that dives deeper into many of these things, but i think the way you have done this is so awesome!!!!
Thank you so much man! Yeah this is just scratching the surface! I feel like so many different pool concepts can be seen in this shot. One of my favs 👊🏼👊🏼
thank you so much I've learned so much from that video
Take it to the table man!! Don’t let that ball get the better of you!!!
Thank you for dropping in!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
Good info for sure! I see so many newer and lower skill level players losing games due to scratches on shots like this. Or being unable to get a shot on their 8 ball because they have no idea how to hit the ball and then get position.
I think it's worth noting that a couple of these can be a bit difficult to pull off on Valley tables. The big corner pockets make it next to impossible to just catch the edge of an object ball when it's sitting right in the back center of the pocket and you're dead straight on it. Also, bc of the oversized cue ball on many Valley tables, trying to draw from out of the pocket is pretty much a guaranteed scratch.
Oh man, don’t get me started on barboxes with the big cue ball 😭😭 if we take that into consideration, you unfortunately lose the ability to do a LOT of pool technique!!
I honestly rarely play on them anymore now, but you have a point that a LOT of leagues are solely played on Valleys in rough shape. Let this video be an ad for Diamonds 💎💎💎 😂😂
Thank you sir!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
excellent video. I'm going to put this exercise of jaw shots into my warmup routine for league night.
I spent a great deal of time last night with one of my threes. He makes really good shots, but not smart decisions at time with how to work on shape. We're working on "you have ball in hand, shooting the three and you need to get back on the four" type scenarios. He almost ignores simple tap and follow shots. That, and working on simple safety shots rather than whack and hope where there is no shot. I think that would make a couple of good learning vids one day.
I like your teaching style. I'm encouraging my teammates to join your channel.
That’s a good point, and forever a learning moment in what to do with ball-in-hand!!
DUDE!! amazing video! great information and format! i love your style of video !! subscribed and excited for more!!!
Wow thank you so much!! It’s feedback like this that make the work worth it 🙏🏼👊🏼 more to come!!
Nice video :) Might have been useful for some to hear about the physics of the 18:17 shot, and how it can be avoided from happening accidentally. Kinda related, in the 16:22 shot, drawing that far could be harder depending on the equipment, humidity, and of course amount of power required; maybe showing other options and trade offs between them would also be helpful!
Hey thank you!!
Ah yes, you’re right, I should have mentioned how to AVOID the force-follow shot. I didn’t devote a lot of time to that one, because to me, it’s more of a party trick than a real scenario for the amateur 😅
I guess my defense to your concerns about the full table draw shot would be: save it for the SL-6/7’s 😆. Those factors (equipment, humidity, technique) should already be fully understood if you REALLY are about to attempt a full table draw shot in my opinion!
My main point was: to draw directly out of these shots, you have nothing to aim at in regards to the cut angle. You can aim anywhere on that ball, it still goes in, so you gotta be deadly accurate and be able to see that! AKA: “theres more to this than it seems!”
I could have had more options, trade-offs erc, but this video couldve also been an hour long 😆 had to keep it manageable! Still new to this too so 🤷🏻♂️ I appreciate the feedback!! Thank you!!
great video man! Loved the bonus callout about the stroke pause too
It’s helped a lot! I doubt the guy that left the comment (that I fought with btw 😂) will ever see it, since he said in the last video that he only watched “1 minute” 😂😂
But thanks!!! Appreciate you! 👊🏼👊🏼
One of the best videos I have seen on this subject.
Thanks so much!!! Wow!!! 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
yes "cheating the pocket" is important for position play, a lesson I learned from my uncle (he's a Skill level 6 in APA). When it comes to thin vs thick hits I like to look at percentage like do I need to hit at 25% 50% 75% or 100% to get it to go the direction I want it to go. Rail first shots I find very situational and depends where you need the cueball to be. Great videos as always Drew! Think you should do a video on the importance of calling a timeout in an APA match, in just about every team I played there are players that refused to call a timeout no matter what situation they are in.
Ah ! That woulda been huge to add! % of thickness on the hit to just make it simpler 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thanks a ton!! I spent a lot of time on this one, I need to maybe tame it down a bit haha. But I appreciate this 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I honestly have a ton of opinion on how and when to timeout! That might make a good video!!
@@drewvonporte you're welcome, glad to be of help keep up the great content! Always enjoy watching your videos as well as chatting with you.
Good to see ya back bubba
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@@drewvonporte you've become suck a part of my routine simply it helps with my league play....anyways....good to see ya back
@@kennethstavig7033 that means a lot Ken, thanks dude
Nice job. Very clearly explained.
Thank you so much!! I really appreciate that 👊🏼
You are awesome dude! Love your commentary. Help me a lot…
Oh that’s great to hear!! Thanks!!!
I really enjoy what you're doing. Keep it up!
Thank you! I really appreciate that!! 👊🏼👊🏼
@16:17 Either of these shots You could thin them on the left(from the shooters perspective) with top and you will roll up table. While most can't draw 8 diamonds anyone can roll 16+ diamonds with a little top. Even if they hit it thick your still rolling down table.
I was just trying to make up a situation where draw is REQUIRED to get out of that “sitting duck” scenario… which is rare, and clearly I didn’t make the scenario bulletproof lol but my advice was “beware” and geared towards people who try and draw out of it all the time for no reason… its really a do-or-die scenario!
But thank you for the feedback! You’re right! It looks like there’s room for a thin cut and rolling cue ball 🤦🏻♂️ good eye
@@drewvonporte I get it big draw is cool but even 7s @600+ fargos fail at it as much as they succeed. While you should never say never there are shots that are so remote that almost any shot is a better shot. But I do agree that folks will play a simple draw when they could just roll into a simple leave.
Awesome video and on some of the draw shots you could have top right going two rails and in my opinion is easier than drawing it back
I was a little “loose” planning the scenario, the point was: that drawing straight (no rail) out of these shots is more difficult than it looks, because you’re aiming into nothingness.
I did make the two blocker balls a little far away, could’ve brought em closer, but it was just the concept!
Hope that didn’t ruin it! Thanks for the feedback!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
@@drewvonporte great video and drawing straight back is insanely tough and so many scenarios playing from the corner
Nice video! Did you get a new camera? The crispness is great in low lighting
I did!!! A few videos ago! I think it looks great! Thank you for noticing!!!!
@@drewvonporte What are you shooting with if you don't me asking?
Predator Revo 12.4mm
I got this part down, the part that sucks is the random balls everywhere that seem to be a magnet for the cue ball even though the pathing should not have them meet, but you can't control the table quality. And of course the unforgiving bad bump. Like yeah i totally want to be on the wrong side of this ball, while now somehow frozen to this other ball.
Tell me about it 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
Hey Drew, what stick do you use?
Revo 12.4mm on a fancy SP2 with zebrawood
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if your coming off the rail and not using spin.... generally is bad. Your relying on power instead of finesse. It takes very little practice to make these leaves lethal. Anyone who has played 5 minutes knows the harder you hit the cue ball the more you lose in precision.
In reality we are talking helping english and the main thing you have to understand is given enough rails the spin of the cue ball is counter to the direction of the cue ball.
100% solid advice
If you couldnt figure out you can cheat a ball sitting in the pocket without the help of this video, not sure there's any helping ya... lol.
Aw c’monnn I went through all sorts of scenarios! And what “cheating the pocket” does to your position and how to best use it 😔😔😔
People that can't see the value of learning these shot and how to be more accurate are just not that serious of a pool player.
Players of many levels watch different channels then this is a great video. I as a player can break and run on you but I still haven’t forgotten where I came from as a player so please be nice. I could be that someone that learns really well from the way they deliver these videos. I could be a newby or a professional. I personally learn the way someone delivers the info. Perfect example I started learning from someone and the life got nvolved and later I learned the same things from someone else and he doesn’t understand why I couldn’t learn from him. It is how the content is presented. Never forget when you started to learn so yes, this is for someone that is learning. Be nice or don’t talk 😊
@@drewvonporteI have learned and still haven’t forgtwhere I came from but don’t let a negative comment stop you from presenting this info. People vocab learn good for how people deliver the info. Good info for newer players but don’t stop. People will watch and learn from you!
@@melaniegagnon7487 thank you very much Melanie! That means a lot !!
And you are so right… when someone’s ever asking me for advice when they are new, I always tell them to make sure they listen to ANY INFO anyone ever wants to tell them. You’d be surprised what the 4 speed could teach a veteran, based just on delivery !