Battlestar Galactica 4x17 Reaction | Someone to Watch Over Me
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To paraphrase General Chang, "You haven't experienced Hendrix until you've heard it in the original Cylon"
Well, Dylan, but yeah. 😎
@@jtmaxwell - This version is based on Jimi Hendrix' version, not Dylan's.
@@phydeux ...but Dylan's is the original, so all versions are "based" on that. 😎
It's a timeless classic, literally.
Bob Dylan is a Cylon? Or is he the Cylon god?
I just want to mention how much I appreciate Grace Park's performance in this show. She is playing vastly different versions of the same character, then plays a character pretending to be another version of herself. So good. The writers said the same thing, they could tell who is she playing by the way her face looked. She helds a slightly different and barely noticeable expression.
Also this version of All Along the Watchtower is by far the best version. Ever since this episode aired I have it and listen to it on a very regular basis. And the way that some came back around from season 3 and they built it into Hera's storyline is really good.
The moment Kara plays that song gets played is for me one of the most epic moments of TV, ever! Music has become a character in the show, brilliant writing and fantastic trust the show runners had for Bear's sheer genius.
You have to listen to the soundtrack, Bear wrote full classical pieces that didn't even get to be fully heard in the show, he wrote them because it was part of his creative genius.
Any show set in space on a ship or even a space station, the ship becomes a hidden loved character. When the ship gets damaged or destroyed, it is the same as killing off a main character. Fans of space shit always feel it when the ship gets hurt.
Absolutely, I suppose it’s a home. Could be a spaceship, a Spanish galleon, the Dunder Mifflin Scranton branch…their spaces and qualities become part of the identity of the story, and the characters.
I’m curious to know from the funny lil gal, suppose they did find a place to settle on; what would you like to see happen to galactica? Would it have a place still?
And than you have shows like Farscape where they took it to a whole new level.
@@whybother987 I burst out crying at:
Talyn, Starburst.
Its never good when we see Galactica get damaged, but one thing ive always appreciated about this show is that as the show progresses, you can see the damage accumulating on the ship. Its never all fixed and shiny after a battle, but wears her scars proudly.
Yeah its almost a physical shock when you see the finale and then it comes back around to the pilot and you see the drastic change.
One of Ron Moore's biggest issues with Voyager was how little consistency there was with regard to the ship's condition. No starbases within 70, 000 light years for repairs to happen, and yet no cumulative battle damage over seven years of the show. BSG is as much a response to Moore's frustration with the Trek franchise's limitations as it is to 9/11.
Yep, the damage continuity is amazing in BSG.
@@rory_pond1701
"No starbases within 70, 000 light years for repairs to happen"
Yes. but replicators.
As long as they could gather the raw materials to replicate 'new' hull parts (which would be partially recycled from the old ones anyway) then they could fix everything.
I think that the only components of the ship expressed to be explicitly irreplaceable without Starfleet were the bioneural gel packs used for Voyager's partially decentralized computer system.
Just think about how quickly they built a whole new huge shuttle craft with the Delta Flyer, not possible without replicators.
@@mnomadvfx, Photon torpedoes, too?
I know I had a theory when this aired, that Starbucks dad was a surviving Danial (the cylon model Cavil destroyed), as he was an artist. Which would make Starbuck the first Human-cylon baby. And that is part in what makes her special and connected to the final five.
It makes perfect sense. Consider Leoben's fascination with Starbuck's fated role in all of this. Remember her ability to figure out how to operate the downed Cylon raider 'Scar'. And we have her apparent resurrection, possibly in some remnant of the former earth's technology that was still operational. And we have her figuring out the code (the notes) that awakened forgotten memories in the final five.
Kara has had a key role in just about every aspect of the fleet's survival, and the fate of the Cylons. So the popular theory is... Kara's dad "Dreilide" may have actually been one of the "Daniels", the seventh Cylon model that was 'boxed' by Caville. They were the artists and musicians.
The timeline fits with Caville's actions to box the Daniel line and exile the five to the twelve colonies. If a "Daniel" were to have escaped the boxing and gone with them, he may have fathered Starbuck. Her being the first successful human/Cylon offspring would explain a lot about her ongoing role in the ultimate fate of both species.
Ronald D. Moore was asked this very question at many conventions. He said that he never intended to explore the character of Daniel, but if people wanted to believe that he was Kara's Father, then he was just fine with it.
I like this much better than the standard explanation. I've been waiting for her reaction to the explanation since 1x1, and I'm fully expecting 'nonplussed.'
@@irishinnj72 > Ronald D. Moore was always skating a thin line between science and religion when it came to this show. And he (smartly) remained noncommittal when asked to nail down which was which. Better to let the audience form their own theories on this matter.
I prefer to keep Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote in mind (known as Clarke's Law): "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".
Go back a few thousand years in our own history, and pull out a cell phone (or even something as simple as a pen or a Bic lighter), and you'd be considered as some kind of wizard. So it makes you wonder what we would think of an alien civilization that is a MILLION years beyond our own. They would be like gods... beyond all comprehension.
Everyone had that theory. 🤷♂️
Col. Tigh is more human than many humans. His flaws, strengths and everything in between is beautiful to witness.
He has a 2000 year head start on everybody
More human than human. ... 🤔 Someone should write a song about that.
Tigh is not a machine. The final five are humans that put their psyches in machine bodies. Their bodies were destroyed in the holocaust.
@@EntertainmentGym Pretty sure the Tyrell Corporation has the rights to that slogan....
"Hera is plugged into something that is manipulating all of us." Yeah, she's plugged into ROCK!
I was thinking "the writers flailing" but your version is nicer and more fun :)
The piano music gave me chills when I first heard those few notes from the original 1978 BSG. Very cool to tie it in. Still tugs on the nostalgia strings.
Bear actually sampled an old out of tune piano to compose the music for this episode. It is so beautiful and haunting.
And not just any old out-of-tune piano: the actual on-set piano! Gotta respect that commitment.
@@ramy8207 I totally forgot that fact, good call!
I play music for a living so I am very interested in Bear's score. Apparently he only needed to sample every third note on the old piano to get the sound he wanted, if I remember right, it's been fucking decades lol. I don't think the one on screen is the one he sampled.
What was most interesting to me was that the final five cylons are hearing the music for the first time outside of their minds.
I never had any assumptions about the piano player since he briefly is seen in the previous episode; a great way to throw me off.
Piano player in Kara's head? It seem there's a lot of that kinda thing going around in this show.
*More tissues for the finish line. *
I'm pretty much sure that Ellen and Saul are thousands years old only technically. The ship they used to escape from Earth and reach the 12 Colonies wasn't equipped with FTL (13th Tribe lost that tech), so they travelled at subluminal speeds, experiencing extreme case of time dilatation. It took them 2 thousand years for external observer to reach 12 Colonies, but for them on board of this ship it was all within a single lifetime.
Yep. With resurrection technology they've been alive longer than a normal human lifespan, but they've not experienced anywhere close to a thousand years.
Yeah, you’d think after 1000 years they would have worked their sht out😅
I assumed they slept through the journey, seeing how Cylons can be boxed, which is essentially cryosleep.
I assumed that together with reinventing resurrection they reinvented that abilily.
@@SierraSierraFoxtrot Also a valid interpretation
You do know the song that Starbuck was playing. Its a version of "All along the watchtower" (jimi hendrix). The final 5 also started speaking lines from the song when they started waking up.
To be clear, "All Along the Watchtower" was covered by Hendrix. Bob Dylan wrote and recorded it for his 8th album. But I think Hendrix really helped to make it famous.
@@Haselius00 To be clear, I know that. But the version used throughout Galactica's journey & the final 5's story is based on the Hendrix version
@@1Molehill It doesn't matter. What matters is the melody. The melody is the key to the coordinates.
@@Haselius00 and there we have it. An important final spolier. Well done. I'm gone before you ruin any more of this
Hardly a spoiler., since Starbuck already said that the melody is linked to numbers. And what do numbers signify? Besides, Angela has already seen the finale.
I swear Michael Hogan does such a good job acting and showing emotion with that one eye. Beautiful!
This raises the mystery about Starbuck and Hera, since they both know that song. I love seeing your reaction to this and how thine final act is being set up.
It's not a given that Hera knows the song itself.
Only that she saw that arrangement of dots which can be interpreted as part of the song.
Like Starbuck and the Five she is being manipulated by 'higher forces' steering events.
@@mnomadvfx Not just Starbuck and the Final Five. Laura, Guias, Caprica Six, and others in the series have been directed towards the final resolution.
@@darthroden
Gaius has Head Caprica and saw the Opera House Vision
Caprica had Head Gaius and saw the Opera House Vision
Starbuck had Head Leoben, her paintings (The apartment painting Pre-Malstrom and the Demetrius shooting star/Basestar painting Post-Malstrom), the instinctual ability to pilot the raider, the music since childhood, etc.
Laura saw the Opera House Vision and had a Head Elosia
Lampkin had a Head Cat
Athena saw the Opera House Vision
Hera saw the Opera House Vision, the 6 drawings, the music, etc.
@@ChibiHoshiDragon A good list of the Head characters.
There’s a theory that a Daniel model was Starbucks dad. Unfortunately, it falls apart, because the Daniels were a late addition to BSG, because Ron Moore realized late in the game there were only 11 models.😮
The scene in which Starbuck plays the piece Hera drew for her is scored by Bear McCreary's "Kara Remembers". It's well worth a listen to on its own, outside the context of the episode where so much chaos is happening as she plays. It's haunting, powerful, and a brilliant underpin for where Kara is on her own personal journey right now
the full version of that song is magnificent
on the So Say We All: Battlestar Galactica Live rendtion of All Along the Watchtower, Katee Sackoff plays the intro with Bear McCreary. ua-cam.com/video/FVkiI9Vm7mE/v-deo.html
Wow! Thanks. Never knew the full version was available, and I’ve been watching this show yearly since it came out.
@remdvm3021 there's multiple songs on the soundtrack that are longer than the TV versions and they are all worth checking out!
I had that one bookmarked for a while, especially after the version of Watchtower from the show got taken off youtube.
Baltar's journey in this show has been interesting to watch. He started as a narcissist, who only thought about himself and what he wanted. Now, close to the end of the series he actually thinks about other people now. And their needs. He actually has some morals now.
🔔 FLG: FYI that scene @ 19:40 was an inside joke.
The music that he was playing was actually taken from the original Battlestar Galactica (1978)! ua-cam.com/video/BZUDQBamLWQ/v-deo.html
And so that made Starbuck's snarky comment to him that he was stealing another composer's work doubly funny! 😄
"Steal a ship and run away with her" LOL. She has shown over and over that she is not to be trusted. 😅
19:43 The part he is playing on the piano right here is the opening of the original BSG theme...during the voice over of the narrator saying "There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. They may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive far, far away, amongst the stars."
🤣 I was just typing this before I saw your post. I remembered exactly the same but then checked to hear it but every YT sample I found has woodwind and ‘chimes’, not these piano notes, playing under the narrator. Search this:
Battlestar Galactica (1978-1979) - Opening credits
But I found one that is just music and it has 30 sec. of these piano notes leading into to main theme, search:
Battlestar Galactica Theme Music 1978
Maybe there were multiple variations of the opening credits that had the narration over this version or maybe just experiencing the Mandela effect but I was sure the narration was over this 2nd version.
Episode left everyone speechless. Love the haircut.
I watch this episode over and over again just to hear the music. The soundtrack for this season remains a top listen for me a decade later.
💯
"...Dammit Boomer!"
That is a good summary of this episode, and of Boomer in general now that I think about it XD
Cylons fall into two categories.
The Final Five and the Significant Seven.
The Final Five are descended from the 13th tribe of Kobol, which were biological Cylons living in Kobol before the fall of, and exodus from, Kobol. Being a fully evelved bologiacl species at this point, depite being created from a robotic form initially, they had had many long centuries to iron out the bological problems.
The Significant Seven are the humanoid models created by the Colonial manufactured robotic Cylons with input from the Final Five. Research and develpment of Humanoid Cylons were already underway prior to the arrival of the Final Five. The first example of this research was the first Hybrid (the male one from Razor). The arrival of the Final Five, allowed them to complete this work, and compensate for the lack of reproductive capabilities by giving them resurrection technologies.
The reason for the lack of ability to carry a child to term was put forward by Doc Cottle when Athena was pregnant. They didn't do a good job on their internal biology. Hera got lucky. Liam did not. Their is only so much that medicine can do.
Further, I have mentioned in other video comment sections on this channel, that in order to create a viable gene pool you need 500 unique samples, the Cylons had thirteen, (fourteen if you include the female Hybrid, and assuming she can carry a child to term). This number is simply far too low to allow for a viable bological species. Now without the Threes, and the Sevens, ignoring the Hybrids as an unkown quantity, and the splintering of the factions, at this time the Cylons have just eight examples, the Final Five, the Twos, The Sixes, and the Eights. 8 is 1.6% of 500. Far to low for a viable species.
I like how they did the piano scene where you gradually understand that's Kara's dad. It's a creative way to give a backstory without doing a flash back, she comes to terms with why her dad left.
The flash back to her mother wasn't to bad, Why her mother was so angry with her "You should have finish top of your class " "You have a destiny..."
this episode reminds me of what an incredible ensemble cast this was. how we were so lucky they came to the same place and time to be together
My headcanon is that whatever power brought Kara back from her destroyed Viper on Earth also gave her these chances to reconcile with her dead parents. Head Leoben brought her to her mother's bedside as she was dying, and something brought her father to Galactica to remind her of when she played the piano with him and how happy she was in those moments. This was a gift to Kara for all suffering she's endured in the fulfillment of her destiny. And he was every bit as real as any of the other Head characters/messengers/angels/your preferred terminology here.
As for whether Daniel was Kara's father, there's only one way that works for me. Cavil destroyed Daniel such that there was nothing left for Cylon technology to resurrect or recreate. So it follows that whatever allowed Daniel to manifest as the human Dreilide Thrace on Caprica had to be the same power that's been moving people like chess pieces on a cosmic board. From there, it's a short jump to intuit that Dreilide's human daughter would be their best candidate to continue to fulfill their mysterious goals. That's my two cents, your mileage may vary.
Hearing you talk about Gaius' growth as a leader, I came up with, "leader with benefits".
It occurred to me that BSG having a run like Star Trek would be amazing, but I don't know if your heart, or mind, could take it. 😂
If Grace Park impresses you, you should check out Orphan Black
Orphan Black would make a great reaction series. No space sht though😮
In the writer's room: "Okay, who hasn't suffered enough this season?"
"Athena?"
"Nice, make it happen. Oh, how about Tyrol?"
"...Sir hasn't he suffered enough? Like, not just this season but all of them?"
"Heh, good one. Make it happen too."
O'Brien: Pull up a chair, let's have a drink... we both need it.
I was not ok for a whiiiile after this episode. A lot of us have been waiting for you to get to this one, Angela! A wild episode!
That "Nomion's Third Sonata" is actually a Cylon dramatic theme from the 1979 BSG.
As to how Starbuck learned the Cylon "wake up" song from her dad, it's not that complicated. It's a song that's been handed down from generation to generation since before the Cylons and humans parted ways, and both sides have kept the tradition alive.
There's a reason why ships are referred to as she/her instead of it.
The name Dreilide is very close to ‘drei Lieder’ which is German for ‘three songs’. Coincidence?
Kara's Dad was Number 7, Daniel. That's why he disappeared. And why he never came back when Kara was young. Cavil killed him. And only Kara saw him playing the piano. Which would make Kara half cylon, like Hera. And why she is so important. That's always been my theory when I watched this episode. And there is nothing wrong with trying to connect thigs, everybody who watches this show does that.
@livetotell100, You can interpret it that way and it certainly seems plausible, however, RDM has explicitly denied that to be the case. If you're interested, I'm pretty sure you can find a clip of him saying that on YT.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 yes, I know. But I like to speculate. And it does make sense. I watched this series when it fist aired, and multiple times after that. And every time I watched this episode, I think that.
You might say she is the shape of things to come
Giving up the piano was probably not the only reason, just the one that broke him. Being with someone that does not allow you anything that takes your attention from them is an incredibly hard way to live. It slowly destroys you. You lose contact with kids because you cannot face that person again
GALACTICA is the thing that will lead humanity to it's destiny. You are right.
You have the best reactions to BSG… I love this particular episode so much. It’s SO emotional, but also sets up a lot of questions/possible answers re: Kara, and - BOY O BOY - the remaining episodes & finale are such a wild ride. Very excited to hear your thoughts on all of it! :)
There are a lot of strange elements to this episode, as you mention, like why no one saw Starbuck talking to herself or, if if that was her father, why she didn't recognize him. Her father's name "Dreilide" is, I've read, a reference in German suggesting "third eye" which is a reference to some sort of spiritual enlightenment.
It's a delve into magical realism, which you don't see much in Science Fiction
There's been two things in my life that have moved me enough to tattoo them on my body: Radiohead and Battlestar Galactica. The only other time I've felt compelled to leave a comment on a UA-cam video was watching someone discover Radiohead for the first time and being truly moved by the musicianship and really "getting it." This is the second time I've genuinely wanted to comment on a UA-cam video, and of course it's BSG-related. It has been such a pleasure to watch you experience this story, and understand how special this show is: the writing, the cast, the cinematography, the music, everything that makes this show special, you get it. There's so many amazing moments in this show, from the Adama maneuver, to the reveal of the Final Five and Starbuck's return, and so many others, but this episode is my absolute favorite. Kara "remembering" the song and Tigh's reaction still get to me as much as Galactica jumping into the atmosphere of New Caprica. Thanks for sharing your journey with us, and enjoy the final episodes.
Chief might be the most emotionally abused character on this show!
I agree with you, and I think the character Boomer is the most tragic. It's like she is driven to do things that horrifies her afterwards.
That's what happens what you are the Chief on a show that has RDM as writer. Chief O'brien on DS9, Chief Tyrol here. Someone needs to ask RDM, what CTOs did to him.
I'd volunteer Gaeta for that characterization, while knowing not a lot of other folks are likely to agree.
The song they played on the piano has been around since the 60's, so you should know it.
Facts. When she said, "I don't know it" I almost soiled my pants. I mean, uh... it might be a wee bit of a parallel metaphor for certain things. I now realize she's missing a whole layer of BSG context.
That was a great accurate guess on Kara and her dad 😂
Liam died because they started fighting with each other and there was no love anymore.
...and he WASN'T naming him after Adama, that's why he said "it's not like that" in the last episode, which got scrubbed out in the edit...?? Idk if we're acknowledging that we missed that or if the edit was just highlighting the mis-heard word but it was a JOKE.... not a confession. Saul said "it's not like that" and Adama says "I know", and they both laughed. It was a moment of good friends breaking the tension during a moment of heartbreak.
Ellen references the name "Liam" as something they 'ALWAYS' wanted to name their first child..... as in...... from back when they were on Earth... thousands of years before they even met Bill Adama
What you said about the piano needing tuning up just like everything on galactica, I think was a conscious choice. I really like this episode because of the piece the pianist is composing and the story that evolves around it, there are a couple on the soundtrack that are beautifully haunting, melancholic, bittersweet almost like a dirge.
Bear's music in this episode just kills me.
I remember writing a comment in season 1 or 2 saying that this series in a great reminder that, even though we wish for it, people (or cylons) usually dont change. same goes for zarak in the end. its what we often see on television but not real life.
20:15 "best ones do" 😢💙
This has been such a fun ride! I hope your patrons are already lobbying for the new Fallout series.
Just my own theory not backed up by anything to come in BSG.....Kara's father was a Daniel, who has already been said was boxed because of is creativity. He "left" Kara and her mother when he was taken by cylons and boxed. Kara was the first human / cylon hybrid child. Maybe why she and Hera both know the same song?.....Just a thought.
❤❤ Always Love for the ships. She shows us love and is our home. ❤❤
Sadly, Cavill think of himself greater than his organic body can allow him to be. I think he will absolutely hate the thought of someone being more "special" than him.
He was going to literally dig in his mother's brain, after blackmailing her into a sexual relationship. No amount of child, puppies or kittens will change him.
@vincentvoillot6365, There's something in the finale which I found his response to pretty interesting. While I'm sure our wonderful host has already seen it, I won't elaborate other than to say I'm not at all sure Cavil would have ultimately acted as most people (including you) would suspect.
Don't forget it's also the same music that woke up the Chief, Sam, Saul, and Tori.
Woah … brings back memories. It all felt like a prolonged hallucination, the entire series. But these final episodes almost made me start tripping. I was in a bad, bad state at that time. It is actually difficult for me to watch this again, but I can't help it. I need to see this through with the help of funnylilgal. Now that I am sober and everything.
I hope there is healing.
Cheers 🍺
Annother kick in the bollocks for Cheif :(
Loved this ep for the music. The way it comes together to make the legendary tune we have been listening to for the last 4 years. It blew my mind
Music isn't *how* we stop the missiles, it's *why* we stop them.
Watching this show on TV, I knew this was the last series, things were wrapping up - you don't expect the amazing storytelling highs of previous seasons as you know it's ending .... aaaaand then BSG says ''Frak that!'' & delivers one of my favorite episodes!
There's loads of Sci-fi shows & films out there with iconic ships, stations, etc, but I don't think any show has made me feel as emotionally attached to them (with the exception - for me - of Babylon 5!) as this show does with the Galactica, you feel the love & the connection the crew do - especially now they realize the damage is catching up with her!
Ships aside, I have to give this episode to Katee & Grace - one showing another brilliant side to her character as we delve into her past, & the other portraying 2 versions of the same Cylon model SO well that we love & hate her in equal measure!!
Look at the Brain wave monitor behind Starbuck and Anders in their last scene.
The Kara/Bear episode! An outstanding one. And as a musician, one of my favorite ones naturally.
Classic Angela moment seeing right through the piano player a few minutes in. Writers can’t fool her 😂.
Boomer did the really irredeemable thing with playing Tyrol and Helo like that. Yeah, I’d say it’s that, rather than kidnapping Hera.
All Along the Watchtower, that’s the song.
"All along the watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix. That is the song. Won't spoil anything but it is a great song.
One of my favorite episodes of the whole series. It lives in my head rent free and I'm not mad about it either.
I....I just died in your arms tonight....it must have been something you said...
This is my favorite episode…. always gets to me… 😭…
The Cylons may have had a plan but they sure didn’t let the writers know what it was.
RE: Boomer: Some characters are irredeemable.
BTW the song Kara was playing was an orchestral "All along the watchtower" same song that triggered the final 4 on Galactica.
I still play that fucking song on the piano after all these years lol 🤔
14:45 look at the big brain on Lilgal
No one is the dying leader as spoken of in the sacred scrolls.
The scrolls tell us that the dying leader would lead them to earth, but not live to see it.
They've found Earth, and everyone who could be said leader is still alive. Therefore, no one is the dying leader from the prophecy.
I feel like Galactica is the dying leader
Look up the meaning of the word dreilide, then look up the name of Starbuck's father in the original series. They did some clever wordplay there.
EDIT: I also jut googled a pic of Dreilide's album cover. The look and style are similar to many live albums from the 60s, especially one from Bob Dylan. Also note where he's preforming, the Helice Opera House.
The President warned him.
One of favorite episodes
You are the Harbinger, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end
We need a flurry of predictions from you as it wraps up!
The last few episodes are a wild ride.
It always amazes me how when you watch Grace or Tricia, how they can make each copy feel like a different person..I too was hoping for the redemption arc but was equally done with Boomer after this episode. BTW: FALLOUT is amazing! and X-Men '97 might also be as good as Invincible.
This episode is superb.
And speaking of songs, ones that make you feel happy and sad at the same time (the best ones) "Hi Ren" by Ren with the video for context... Wow.
Was the place on Galactica that Boomer blew out with the FTL jump, the same place she blew out in season one when she vented the water tanks? It was pretty close.
Another hint that was included along with the other things shown during Starbuck's interactions with the "piano man": He was playing the same song on the piano that Starbuck played in her apartment when she and Helo were there in S2 before they met the Resistance (and Sam) on Caprica while trying to get back to Galactica after Starbuck got the Arrow. The music copy that Helo gave to Starbuck in this episode contained the same piano composition.
IRL, that piano tune is Metamorphosis One, by Phillip Glass.
Ha I didn't realise it was Philip Glass, but I think I commented after that episode reaction that it sounded like him.
Possibly my favourite episode of all.
Obligatory No one is Safe
Also in my most recent rewatch I was a little surprised that Chief was able to recognize Boomer when she stepped off the Raptor but Helo couldn't tell the difference between them. Maybe being able to tell individual Cylons apart was a side effect of the Chief being awakened though.
Helo did at least pick up on the different smell though, but didn't connect the rest of the dots.
Over the years there was a theory among fans that one of the Daniel's survived Cavil's purge and fled to the Colonies where he met Kara's Mother and had Kara. Ronald D. Moore who was asked about it at many conventions, said that Daniel was just a throw away character that he never intended to explore. But if fans wanted to believe that he was Kara's Father, then he was just fine with it.
@irishinnj72, He's also said, in a non-convention interview, that this is definitely not the case, so....
@@mitchellmelkin4078 Well I saw a video of him saying that at a convention, so....
@irishinnj72 , I didn't intend to imply his making the statement outside of a convention was more authoritative than at one, just that it might reflect some ambivalence or inconsistency of his about the point, I guess.
I'm sorry about my wording as it came off as being dismissive. 🙏
As others have said there's a popular theory that Daniel is Kara's father. Whilst obviously not considered at the time it fits too perfectly that I'd consider it canon.
It would explain so much about her and even her visions, such as her father could be some form of hybrid projection connecting to echo's of her father.
@elliepira8400, Anyone can have their own headcanon, which might well be quite plausible, but RDM explicitly denied this at least once, during an interview one can still likely find on YT.
"Baby drama." That was a super dramatic baby. It just shows up and is like, "I'm like _literally_ dying."
I'd like to have sympathy for Tyrol, but at the end of the day he murdered an Eight to have his way directly after Laura Roslin specifically warned him that Boomer has used emotional contact to manipulate before.
He was not only warned, but he also committed murder in the process of ignoring it - and that's before the other consequences that spiral outwards from Boomer taking Hera.
Tyrol was always a simp towards women. He finally grows some in the last episode, but I don't wanna spoil anything.
I don’t think he murdered her. That was not confirmed and that would be unforgivable. I think he just knocked her out.
@@remdvm3021 She looked dead, not knocked out.
Her eyes were still partially open which says dead rather than knocked out to me.
Plus he hit her with a heavy wrench in the dark.
There's pretty much no way to be surgical about that.
Pause the scene and blow it up. Her eyes are closed. She has a pretty big bruise on her head from the wrench, and yeah, probably not survivable in the real world, but in movies and tv, all the time. No way to prove it either way (since her eyes are closed) so it is open to each of our own interpretations.
@@Eric-sp9nq, Our host has almost certainly already seen it, but what you're referring to, only happened in-universe (or at least, was observed) because of someone else's galactic stupidity.
I’m thinking I need to hold off watching the rest of the reactions until they’re all released, or else I’m going to go crazy! 😂😂😂
Chief taking heavy blows again and again...
Without giving details (because spoilers), hearing Angela saying... things on her comments and knowing what will happen on the last episode... 👀
I still have that song as my ringtone (and the intro CylonBeat for text messages)
I have another Bear McCreary song as my ring tone- the intro for Black Sails. His music is just amazing.
Boomer and Chief Tyrol could be a Shakespearen couple for all they have faced. Boomer started out as fighting her programing for love only to loose everything. Athena was on a mission but changed for love the got everything Boomer dreamed of having (a husband that accepted her for who she was, the crews respect, though to an extent, and a child)
Chief lost Boomer before he could come to accept her. And he rejected her at first because she was a cylon and the crew would never stand for it either. Only for him to watch Helo (who rejected Athena at first too, but thankfully not while on the ship) live the life he could have had. (he still had a position on the ship, with the woman he loves and a child instead of being walked out an airlock.)
Shakespeare would be proud 😂
Thanks Angela
The song is All Along The Watchtower by Jimi Hendrix. To this day I cannot hear it in passing without a cold chill and goosebumps because of this show. Don't even try to figure it out. All will become clear.
Close, but the song is by Bob Dylan. Hendrix covered it.
Boomer is no longer the same as she was at the beginning of the series. Everything has changed here and be prepared, because the end of our journey is already near and all roads will be reduced to one road.
Maybe I missed it in the reactions of episode 3-20 Crossroads Pt 2 but did FLG not catch what the Cylon song is ?
I know the Bear and Brendan McCreary version they played in the episode might sound different enough from Hendrix’s version that it could get missed.
Check out Bear and the BSG orchestra live performances.. one includes Katee perfoming .. also her dad name starts with a D and he was an Artist? Hmmmmm
I knew 8's were trouble.
"Same mattress" hahahaha.....[falls over]
I am so excited to see your reaction to the end of the story!!!! EEEK LOL!
By the way, there's a Bear McCreary cameoing in the bar in this episode.
this episode made me wonder if maybe Boomer actually knew exactly who she was from day one, and the "sleeper agent" thing was just her manipulating Tyrol into covering for her