how do the trucking companies and the railroad companies not communicate to avoid stuff like this? The truck was carrying an oversize load, and appeared to be traveling with escort vehicles, and yet they don't let the railways know exactly what rail lines they will cross, and when? This is such a preventable tragedy.
Railroad man here, there not supposed to, the railroad bars come down once the train gets a certain distance from them and away from them after the finish crossing, also that specific crossing has a sign that says truck crossing not aloud or something like that, truck driver had every opportunity to avoid that but didn’t follow clear instructions, killing both men on board that train.
At every crossing in the US is a blue sign attached to the crossing post. If someone or something is stuck on the tracks or the crossing, first thing call the number on the sign and report it! This goes directly to the railroad and they can report it to any trains in the area and hopefully get them stopped in time. Supposedly this truck was stuck for way longer than needed for the railroad to get notified and the train stopped. No one there knew to call the number right there on the sign.
Was there time for the truck driver or escort vehicle driver to call the emergency number posted at the crossing, or was the train on top of them before they could even call? Every grade crossing has a blue sign with the emergency phone number and crossing identifier number.
@@codybaker36Or how about people stay off the tracks? Do you understand how much energy it takes to get a train like that moving? Once it's going it isn't slowing down.
@@YassDavidThe driver is ultimately responsible for this. He's going to prison, his company is bankrupt, as is the escort company to. Why wouldn't he be responsible? You can NOT stop on a RR crossing. Not in a car or bicycle or a truck. It's against the law.
@@YassDavid How about you stfu. Totally the driver fault. As a truck driver myself, I would have gotten out and pulled away from the trailer. Less resistance. Save trailer and maybe no one dies. But you are God and you have all answers.
@@TimRannow Why is he going to prison? Like YassDeavid said, you have no clue what you're talking about! It's not his fault he got stuck on the tracks!
More BS Media.. "Train Derailed" it didn't derail... it was thrown off the tracks by a bonehead trucker that got stuck on the trains road... Always blame the RR...,how unfair.
So the police dept. are going to investigate themselves? They were on site when it happened. They should have contacted the Railroad immediately. Dispatchers have the means to do this.
If you go on street view you can actually see several signs leading up to the crossing telling drivers to report blocked crossings to a phone number. Curious how much time there was between the truck getting stuck and the train showing up.
@@kennardjohnson7875NO they aren't. 100 percent the responsibility of the trucking company. Every oversize permit says it is the responsibility of the truck driver to double check all routes to insure clearances both up high, but also low. Train company has no responsibility for this. They are out millions of dollars and sadly 2 employees.
@isabellam1936 driver did nothing wrong, who ever planned the move is liable,I doubt the driver will get a ticket,lawyers will make money. I'm sure the trucking company will file bankruptcy pretty quickly. If they have catastrophic insurance won't pay for much.
Sure seems like a whole bunch of people failed as a collective here. Those kind of loads routes are planned out way ahead of time I’m pretty certain. So 1 how would you not know your gonna get hung up and 2 why would you not have a contact with the railroad just for a situation like this. And the Police what are yall doing? Yall don’t have a course of action here? The ball was fumbled bad here. Few people gonna get PAID now
That’s the exact same question I was also gonna say, cause he was in the C45 GEVO, the first one that was blasting the horn out, but we really need proof of that
There is no excuse for collisions like this. This is 100% avoidable. Oversized loads are preplanned and the route permitted by the state DOT. This rail crossing should never have been used. Once the problem occurred, there is a 800 number posted to contact the railroad. There is a railroad dispatcher in constant contact with the train crew. The train could have been slowed or stopped to avoid the collision. The fact that police were on scene and also failed to contact the railroad is going to put them in legal jeopardy. The railroad and the victims families should sue everyone.
@@norbertdx exactly! I lived there for 11 years and I’ve heard it pronounced many different ways. Such a tragedy. I feel so badly for the two train workers that died.
The other crew member died at hospital. So 2 fatalities. But Texas down home drawl. And bet Texas outlaws any hint of a lawsuit by the decedents' families.
Railroad are going to have to have gates that block traffic completely.Have camera's where the rail crew and dispatchers can see in real time the crossing. Just like highway traffic. No going through them. Also the gates need to come down earlier because of priority trains that run at higher speeds. What if it was a tanker truck or train with tank cars?
The truck had bottomed out on the crossing which would have happened with or without gates. However street view does not show any signs warning trucks can bottom out on the crossing. Since those signs are further back that's usually up to the state DOT to have them put up.
No other wasn’t. I work for up and the fastest it goes is 65 and it has nothing t do with the railroad. And has all to do with the truck driver, the router and the two police escorts. My company is beyond safe it’s always outside of our company and contractors that kill us
The most obvious questions are not being addressed. Why did trailer stop on tracks? Who’s the truckdriver? Company? Why didn’t trailer can move when hit?
These oversized loads bottoming out need to a end. If you have an oversized load then you”re route needs to be checked and double checked pertaining to railroad crossings. They keep getting stuck more often….there’s no specific grade pitches but obviously there should be a procedure in place for recovery asap.
@@mikelowery5741 Many states for various reasons send oversize loads on some of the smallest or inappropriate roads out there. I escort oversize and some of the permits really make me scratch my head. My driver today said it's a running joke that "The bigger the load, the smaller the road"
That lowboy driver should be criminally charged and lose his CDL. I am a lowboy driver who does oversize loads, I would have called the 800 # to coordinate a crossing with Union Pacific before I even attempted that crossing. Unbelievable! Oversize loads require coordination , we don't need cowboys driving big loads like these, now two engineers are dead!
How long from time trailer became stuck to impact from train? Straight track for miles coming into town. Seems they would have seen track was obstructed and at least slowed down or started to slow. Not as though they came around a curve and there set the truck.
now let the public know was he running class 4 or class 5 speed that doesn't look like the right attitude to be entering a town in 25mph seems sane enough in the publics settings
Absolutely ridiculous, there were cops, day time. Check map and this area is not crowded either. If a red flag or red flashing light was used like 100-200 meters from the intersection, either engine would have stopped completely or could have slowed down to minimize the impact! Stupid blunder! Hey.. we are the most developed country in the world!
But you still can't fix stupidity. The truck driver and the escort vehicles are at fault and a train with that mass and velocity would barely slow down within your proposed 100-200 meters.
Trains in this country are supposed to go slower when traveling into cities or towns so that accidents don't happen like this. The trucker could have waited until the train passed before crossing the tracks, and the bars were supposed to come down didn't, in fact some crossings don't even have those bars, or the people just ignore them and drive around them. My condolences to the families of the two train employees who lost their lives. Railroads in this country are not safe because they haven't upgraded the rails, the crossings, or any safety measures so that these accidents don't happen anymore throughout this country. Trucking companies need to do better background checks on their drivers and other employees. I found out that some trucking companies are considering hiring 18 year olds, which will be wrong. Hell even some adults are lousy drivers.
The trucker was stuck on the tracks. It's his fault. Slowing a train down wouldn't have prevented this. Do you expect every crossing to be turned into a bridge?
No, no, not necessarily whatever the track speed on that section of track is that’s what they do jus because there’s a grade crossing don’t mean they gotta slow it down railroad signals determine the track speed come out to California and or the panhandle of Texas where they run their freight trains up to 70-75 mph and in the Cajon pass Mojave subdivision there are speed limits that don’t go above 30mph upgrade/downgrade. There are usually yellow signs indicating speed allowances it will say P: passenger trains 60MPH F: Freight trains 50MPH! So grade crossing don’t determine the speed the train can go! 🤦🏽♂️🙄
You mean engineer and his conductor no such thing as two conductors in a locomotive the engineer is the one who operates the train conductor does all the paperwork and coupling uncoupling fixes broken air hoses and or knuckles
@@mikelowery5741engineer, conductor, foremen and switch and brake man. We used to run our trains with a 3 man crew now 2 they tried to go down to 1 fra said nope.
The most obvious questions are not be addressed. Why did trailer stop on tracks? Who’s the truckdriver? Company? Why didn’t trailer can move when hit? Government is up to no good.
It is absolutely the truck driver and whoever else was involved with the route planning. Who else would be at fault? Nobody called the # on the crossing. Truckers are needed, but they have to step it up.
I really hope you aren't a truck driver as you username suggests. If you are, you really need to go back through road and highway safety training...if you even have just a standard driver's license, you need to go back through driver's safety and education. Unfortunately, the RR has the right of way at crossings. Trains can't just "stop on a dime", it takes miles to stop a train, even when put in emergency braking. There are signs about low grade crossings, if you as a trucker ignore those signs and get stuck, that's on you the dumbass trucker that decided to ignore those signs. It's like ignoring a bridge/overpass height sign and you smashing your truck into it because you have no clue how tall your load is, or that you completely ignored the height clearance sign. When you get stuck on a RR track, it is your obligation to call the RR company and tell them there is a vehicle stuck on the tracks, they will ask for your location, if it's at a crossing like this there is a crossing number on the blue sign that has the RR contact number on it. That might prevent your truck/load from being hit, or at the very least it will allow the trains time to at least slow down from the speed they are going. Again, it is YOUR obligation as a trucker or even private citizen to contact the RR with your location when get stuck on the crossing. Since you're a "trucker" and I've now educated you about this basic traffic law, you can PM me for my info to send payment for your education, I think $1000 would be good since I know how much it costs to get trained at an OTR school.
how do the trucking companies and the railroad companies not communicate to avoid stuff like this? The truck was carrying an oversize load, and appeared to be traveling with escort vehicles, and yet they don't let the railways know exactly what rail lines they will cross, and when? This is such a preventable tragedy.
Railroad man here, there not supposed to, the railroad bars come down once the train gets a certain distance from them and away from them after the finish crossing, also that specific crossing has a sign that says truck crossing not aloud or something like that, truck driver had every opportunity to avoid that but didn’t follow clear instructions, killing both men on board that train.
At every crossing in the US is a blue sign attached to the crossing post. If someone or something is stuck on the tracks or the crossing, first thing call the number on the sign and report it! This goes directly to the railroad and they can report it to any trains in the area and hopefully get them stopped in time. Supposedly this truck was stuck for way longer than needed for the railroad to get notified and the train stopped. No one there knew to call the number right there on the sign.
@@steamman5320 This is the real issue
They’re suppose to let the railroad know beforehand so they can protect
@@steamman5320And they literally had 45 minutes to do so yet not a single person in that town did
Was there time for the truck driver or escort vehicle driver to call the emergency number posted at the crossing, or was the train on top of them before they could even call? Every grade crossing has a blue sign with the emergency phone number and crossing identifier number.
The transponder box
That train was going way too fast in my opinion. It should be restricted speed in the town.
The two train conductors died because of this truck driver. I hope he gets charged. The driver just caused so much suffering.
@@isabellam1936 I hope so. 20 years atleast. Justice needs to be served
@@codybaker36Or how about people stay off the tracks? Do you understand how much energy it takes to get a train like that moving? Once it's going it isn't slowing down.
The driver and towing company is gonna love the lawsuits from union pacific, the familys of the victims and the rederal government
I honestly agree with you!
You have no clue what you talking about, don’t blame the driver.
@@YassDavidThe driver is ultimately responsible for this. He's going to prison, his company is bankrupt, as is the escort company to. Why wouldn't he be responsible? You can NOT stop on a RR crossing. Not in a car or bicycle or a truck. It's against the law.
@@YassDavid How about you stfu. Totally the driver fault. As a truck driver myself, I would have gotten out and pulled away from the trailer. Less resistance. Save trailer and maybe no one dies. But you are God and you have all answers.
@@TimRannow Why is he going to prison? Like YassDeavid said, you have no clue what you're talking about! It's not his fault he got stuck on the tracks!
Both train crew were killed.
How very sad. Just doing their jobs. 😢
More BS Media..
"Train Derailed" it didn't derail... it was thrown off the tracks by a bonehead trucker that got stuck on the trains road...
Always blame the RR...,how unfair.
Witnessed this first hand, have videos and pics right after it happened. Sad. Was downtown Pecos having a beer a block away.
King Shark?
@michaelthorla9964 the spot, but afterwards I went to kingshark
So the police dept. are going to investigate themselves? They were on site when it happened. They should have contacted the Railroad immediately. Dispatchers have the means to do this.
If you go on street view you can actually see several signs leading up to the crossing telling drivers to report blocked crossings to a phone number. Curious how much time there was between the truck getting stuck and the train showing up.
@@bracdude181 I read something like 45min
@Viking88Power so this truck was there 45 mins before the train and no one called the railroad? 🤦♂️
@@bracdude181 Yup pure negligence.
I am pretty sure the NTSB will investigate it and deliver a report in 6 months to a year
Thats not an apporved route for windmill lowboys... The driver and pilot are gonna be in a heap of trouble.
Was not a windmill base,it was a refinerie tower, and they trucking company is issued a pacific route. Santa fee is going to eat this, at minimum 90%
Oversized loads are very strict. They have to stick to the route. Who ever approved this has a lot of explaining to do.
@@kennardjohnson7875NO they aren't. 100 percent the responsibility of the trucking company. Every oversize permit says it is the responsibility of the truck driver to double check all routes to insure clearances both up high, but also low. Train company has no responsibility for this. They are out millions of dollars and sadly 2 employees.
The two train conductors died because of this truck driver. I hope he gets charged. The driver just caused so much suffering.
@isabellam1936 driver did nothing wrong, who ever planned the move is liable,I doubt the driver will get a ticket,lawyers will make money. I'm sure the trucking company will file bankruptcy pretty quickly. If they have catastrophic insurance won't pay for much.
The utter lack of response after the trailer got stuck turned an embarrassing event into a tragedy.
Sure seems like a whole bunch of people failed as a collective here. Those kind of loads routes are planned out way ahead of time I’m pretty certain. So 1 how would you not know your gonna get hung up and 2 why would you not have a contact with the railroad just for a situation like this. And the Police what are yall doing? Yall don’t have a course of action here? The ball was fumbled bad here. Few people gonna get PAID now
conductor was thrown out of the train and was sandwiched between intermodal containers. (apparently)
Where did you find that?
That’s the exact same question I was also gonna say, cause he was in the C45 GEVO, the first one that was blasting the horn out, but we really need proof of that
That’s horrible.
Who were the injured people? Train crew members or civilians?
Train Crew, both of them sadly passed
R.I.P the Union Pacific crew 😢
It says four injured and one died, now it’s two that have passed. But there are still the other injured?
There were people inside the Chamber of Commerce building, so I assume there were the listed injuries
That truck driver and possibly his escorts are gonna get fired.
It killed TWO UP Crew Members
That Truck driver is about to learn a lesson in legalities.
Always blaming truck drivers.
It was the truck drivers fault! Hell I'm a trucker and I'm telling you it's his fault!
Good chance it won't be in English either.
@YassDavid who else?? You drive it. You're responsible 😂 wow. Hate truckers anyways dirty bastards.
There is no excuse for collisions like this. This is 100% avoidable.
Oversized loads are preplanned and the route permitted by the state DOT. This rail crossing should never have been used.
Once the problem occurred, there is a 800 number posted to contact the railroad. There is a railroad dispatcher in constant contact with the train crew. The train could have been slowed or stopped to avoid the collision.
The fact that police were on scene and also failed to contact the railroad is going to put them in legal jeopardy.
The railroad and the victims families should sue everyone.
Pecos not Paycus. 😅😅
Is that what concerned you?
@@norbertdx exactly! I lived there for 11 years and I’ve heard it pronounced many different ways. Such a tragedy. I feel so badly for the two train workers that died.
The other crew member died at hospital. So 2 fatalities. But Texas down home drawl.
And bet Texas outlaws any hint of a lawsuit by the decedents' families.
2 persons were killed.......
Why they say it like that? Paycus😂 its peh cos😂
Railroad are going to have to have gates that block traffic completely.Have camera's where the rail crew and dispatchers can see in real time the crossing. Just like highway traffic. No going through them. Also the gates need to come down earlier because of priority trains that run at higher speeds. What if it was a tanker truck or train with tank cars?
💯 sounds a lot like the intelligent solutions used in Europe and elsewhere.. but, ya know, 'Murica
The truck had bottomed out on the crossing which would have happened with or without gates. However street view does not show any signs warning trucks can bottom out on the crossing. Since those signs are further back that's usually up to the state DOT to have them put up.
What part of the truck bottoming out on a grade crossing before the warning system activated do people not understand?
That would be an absolute disaster the loss of life would be greater unfortunately! 😢😢😢
@@rogerarchibald2627I guess none of it
It's ridiculous, the train was travelling at almost 70 mph when it hit the vehicle!!
No other wasn’t. I work for up and the fastest it goes is 65 and it has nothing t do with the railroad. And has all to do with the truck driver, the router and the two police escorts. My company is beyond safe it’s always outside of our company and contractors that kill us
Two people died actually
Prison time for everyone that did mot call the railroad to stop the train. They knew what might happen if they didn’t….MANSLAUGHTER
The most obvious questions are not being addressed. Why did trailer stop on tracks? Who’s the truckdriver? Company?
Why didn’t trailer can move when hit?
This whole thing was completely preventable and 2 people would still be alive if that driver had called that # on the blue tag
Somebody in trouble 😢
These oversized loads bottoming out need to a end. If you have an oversized load then you”re route needs to be checked and double checked pertaining to railroad crossings. They keep getting stuck more often….there’s no specific grade pitches but obviously there should be a procedure in place for recovery asap.
There shouldn’t be routes that have to cross over rr tracks!
@@mikelowery5741 Many states for various reasons send oversize loads on some of the smallest or inappropriate roads out there. I escort oversize and some of the permits really make me scratch my head. My driver today said it's a running joke that "The bigger the load, the smaller the road"
Horrible😢
That lowboy driver should be criminally charged and lose his CDL. I am a lowboy driver who does oversize loads, I would have called the 800 # to coordinate a crossing with Union Pacific before I even attempted that crossing. Unbelievable! Oversize loads require coordination , we don't need cowboys driving big loads like these, now two engineers are dead!
Oh nooo 😱
How long from time trailer became stuck to impact from train?
Straight track for miles coming into town. Seems they would have seen track was obstructed and at least slowed down or started to slow.
Not as though they came around a curve and there set the truck.
The train was clearly going too fast, it was travelling at almost 70 mph
Is the driver of the train ok?
No. Both people on board died. One on Wednesday and the other today. 🥲
now let the public know was he running class 4 or class 5 speed that doesn't look like the right attitude to be entering a town in 25mph seems sane enough in the publics settings
RR runs on its own property--- they set and run the speeds-- not anybody else.
Absolutely ridiculous, there were cops, day time. Check map and this area is not crowded either. If a red flag or red flashing light was used like 100-200 meters from the intersection, either engine would have stopped completely or could have slowed down to minimize the impact! Stupid blunder! Hey.. we are the most developed country in the world!
But you still can't fix stupidity. The truck driver and the escort vehicles are at fault and a train with that mass and velocity would barely slow down within your proposed 100-200 meters.
@@rogerarchibald2627😂😂😂
Trains in this country are supposed to go slower when traveling into cities or towns so that accidents don't happen like this. The trucker could have waited until the train passed before crossing the tracks, and the bars were supposed to come down didn't, in fact some crossings don't even have those bars, or the people just ignore them and drive around them. My condolences to the families of the two train employees who lost their lives. Railroads in this country are not safe because they haven't upgraded the rails, the crossings, or any safety measures so that these accidents don't happen anymore throughout this country. Trucking companies need to do better background checks on their drivers and other employees. I found out that some trucking companies are considering hiring 18 year olds, which will be wrong. Hell even some adults are lousy drivers.
The trucker was stuck on the tracks. It's his fault. Slowing a train down wouldn't have prevented this. Do you expect every crossing to be turned into a bridge?
It depends on the train and what they are hauling. In this case, intermodel usually goes top track speed. In no way this was the trains fault...
No, no, not necessarily whatever the track speed on that section of track is that’s what they do jus because there’s a grade crossing don’t mean they gotta slow it down railroad signals determine the track speed come out to California and or the panhandle of Texas where they run their freight trains up to 70-75 mph and in the Cajon pass Mojave subdivision there are speed limits that don’t go above 30mph upgrade/downgrade. There are usually yellow signs indicating speed allowances it will say P: passenger trains 60MPH F: Freight trains 50MPH! So grade crossing don’t determine the speed the train can go! 🤦🏽♂️🙄
I HOPE YOU TUBE HAS A GOOD LAWYER!!!
Why? What does UA-cam have to do with this?
@@RudyRuiz-iz9zh YT is deleting my posts---apparently they don't like what I have to say!!!
i can't see past that sign telling me that gas is 50cents cheaper than central illinois.
Well most of the gas comes from west Texas and we have the highest rates in Texas out here!
The two train conductors died because of this truck driver. I hope he gets charged. The driver just caused so much suffering.
You mean engineer and his conductor no such thing as two conductors in a locomotive the engineer is the one who operates the train conductor does all the paperwork and coupling uncoupling fixes broken air hoses and or knuckles
@@mikelowery5741engineer, conductor, foremen and switch and brake man. We used to run our trains with a 3 man crew now 2 they tried to go down to 1 fra said nope.
SMEARED IT!
The most obvious questions are not be addressed. Why did trailer stop on tracks? Who’s the truckdriver? Company?
Why didn’t trailer can move when hit?
Government is up to no good.
The truck was TOO LOW, and got hung up at the crossing. SOMEBODY should have called the RR--- there is a blue tag at EVERYcrossing.
Dang Texas has cheap gas! Its around $4 a gallon in Oregon
Truck oversize trailer is fault stuck on the track a train
Not a derailment, a collision 😂😂😂😂
Maybe the train derailed after impact?
It did, a video i found on facebook showed the aftermath
Hope that driver has a good lawyer what a big screwup
The shooter was on the rooftop😮
No brians left in America.
Hopefully they don’t try and blame the truck driver
Wtf? He caused the whole thing ffs.
@ he did not the railroad did
It is absolutely the truck driver and whoever else was involved with the route planning. Who else would be at fault? Nobody called the # on the crossing.
Truckers are needed, but they have to step it up.
I really hope you aren't a truck driver as you username suggests. If you are, you really need to go back through road and highway safety training...if you even have just a standard driver's license, you need to go back through driver's safety and education.
Unfortunately, the RR has the right of way at crossings. Trains can't just "stop on a dime", it takes miles to stop a train, even when put in emergency braking.
There are signs about low grade crossings, if you as a trucker ignore those signs and get stuck, that's on you the dumbass trucker that decided to ignore those signs. It's like ignoring a bridge/overpass height sign and you smashing your truck into it because you have no clue how tall your load is, or that you completely ignored the height clearance sign.
When you get stuck on a RR track, it is your obligation to call the RR company and tell them there is a vehicle stuck on the tracks, they will ask for your location, if it's at a crossing like this there is a crossing number on the blue sign that has the RR contact number on it. That might prevent your truck/load from being hit, or at the very least it will allow the trains time to at least slow down from the speed they are going. Again, it is YOUR obligation as a trucker or even private citizen to contact the RR with your location when get stuck on the crossing.
Since you're a "trucker" and I've now educated you about this basic traffic law, you can PM me for my info to send payment for your education, I think $1000 would be good since I know how much it costs to get trained at an OTR school.
How did the railroad cause this💀? Train gonna swerve or smth?