(582) LockLab's Naughty Bucket (Euro Profiles)
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- I often get asked about LockLab's Naughty Bucket containing unpicked (yet) locks. Here are the Euro profiles for you to enjoy. Lock porn!
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when comes to locks USA is 1000 years behind Europe
Goran nemam You can get Euro locks on ebay UK for very little. They're extremely common.
The joy of seeing the two locks to my house in your collection of unpickable European = priceless!
Here are the names (or as much of a name as I could make out) if you want to try and buy these locks for yourself:
Weird:
Evva 3KS 0:27
Evva Dual 0:52
Dimple:
Zi Ikon MT5 1:35
Dom nine 1:46
Kaba 2:02
Mul-T-Lock 2:30
Abus Extra Classic 2:37
Keso 2:57
Iseo R6 3:10
Kaba Quattro 3:23
Eizett? 3:46
Gerda 4:26
Kaba 8 (not euro) 4:43
Sea 3 (not euro) 4:59
Pin Tumblers:
LOB 5:34
Zi Ikon 5:47
Evva BPI 6:23
Wilka 6:43
CES 7:05 (special pinning?)
BKS 7:36
Vachette (original, not african) 7:46
Assa SCD Combi (not euro) 8:10
BAB 8:29
Abus 9:02
Zi Ikon SK6 9:38
CES 9:51
DOM 10:08
you da real MVP
That's an Elzett lock. (Euro-Elzett), and the "Zi" locks are actually Zeiss I would guess.
Brother, at the begining of the video you are holding heaven with austrian Evva...a Kaba penta or quattro, cmon, those are extremely high quality locks. Even just attempting to pick em is an act of great courage and determination that i certainly do appreciate. Keep up!
The Kaba 8 was developed and patented in 1934, and probably was the world's first dimple lock. Not bad for an 80 year old design.
I didn't know that.
Minions... you had to use minions in your intro
Well, in the end, at least in most modern houses here in Spain, the weak point is not the lock, but the door frame. Most locks are very crazy indeed, even my front fence door has a 8-pin lock, and it's just one meter high. Thieves normally dont even bother with the lock, they just pry the friggin' frame out. It's amazing how badly most builders install security doors.
u just can fuck the wall with a hammer...
yeah the contrution now it´s BS lol
Euro cylinders can be snapped faster and quieter than prying the frame. The only tool you need is a monkey wrench... which is far more deniable and concealable than a crowbar or jemmy. But you're right - fancy anti-pick strategies don't make a damned bit of difference - cus burglars use whatever is easiest ... and they typically don't give a rats ass about lockpicks.
Once again, the industry addresses completely the wrong problem.
GaryChap I have euro locks that have a special snap line - they are designed to snap on that line and does not allow entry.
aigarslv yes, however the lock in the video incorporated anti-picking strategies but no anti-snap and were considered "difficult" in the video.
Hence my statement : "Once again, the industry addresses completely the wrong problem."
The snappable cylinders are still being manufactured, and my local locksmith is still installing them as standard - and when you ask about anti-snap he says its "Just a gimmick" ... despite it being the number one criminal entry technique in Yorkshire and spreading across the country fast AND despite repeated warnings being given by the locksmiths association to their affiliates.
Oh, he also charges 120 a callout and 60 a lock - and I've seen his work. He installed a back door symmetric in place of an asymmetric with three quarters of an inch protruding on the outside (measured from the flush) ... the lock proudly proclaims "high security anti-pick" and a tonne of kitemarks and stuff.
He literally couldn't have done a better job if he was working for the criminals... and he KNOWS about the snapping epidemic.
So, unfortunately the cheaper, poorly designed euro locks are still being manufactured and sold as 'high security' because of these anti-tamper pins.
But if you look at burglary statistics, it is immediately evident that criminals really don't give a damn about lock picking.
It annoys me that consumers are being ripped off and basic security is being used as a ploy to market expensive locks, whilst cheap ineffective "high security" locks continue to dominate the market.
IMO this crap needs to be taken off the market legislatively.
@GaryChap - it would be great to see a video demonstrating what you describe.
OMG!
I am actually from Thun and I just looked at my bunch of keys and there are
a Kaba 8
a Keso 1000
a Sea 2
and some other Keys
I thought it would've been cool to see the Sea 2 and literally in this moment you pulled up the Sea 3 in the Video.
What I like most about the Sea locks is that when you've inserted the Key from the inside, you can't even get into the Keyway from the outside. Genious
Insane.
So -- that's the list of locks I can pick from for my front door eh :) Nice.
I wouldn't ... just because they're anti-pick doesn't mean they're safe. They are not! In fact, the europrofile is one of the burglars favourites ATM. See my post above for how and why.
GaryChap hence, the smiley. The sign: pittbull on PCP. Is the real security on my door.
LOL. Do you have the dog to go with it? If so ... excellent security: D
I'm actually praying for a burglary as I live alone and don't have kids. I do have some tricks up my sleeve though...
My sony bravia TV has a GPS+GSM chip tied to a low power PIC chip (think, Arduino, but tiny) and four 18650's charged piggyback off the mains power. I can send an SMS and it replies with a link to a google map of its current position using googles GPS Locator API. I can also ask it to lock itself down (it wakes up every 60 to 3600 seconds configurable to check its position) and then it messages me if it is more than 20m away from it's lockdown position. At 3 minute checking intervals the battery lasts about three and a half weeks. At 10 minute intervals it should be months.
So I can basically get an SMS letting me know I've been burgled, watch them drive away, listen live to the burglars audio as they sit in their house on the loot and hear them panic as the PoPo kick in their door and arrest the F'ing garbage.
My HiFi is also rigged with an older version of the same kit and my PC is getting one next week which I have added realtime tracking to ... basically instead of SMS'ing it sends rapid UDP updates to an android app I'm working on so I can tell the police where they are and if they turn left at the lights : )
The new one also has a very loud piezo warbler, so if there is any ambiguity (high density housing, flats, etc) they can get in roughly the right place and call me - and I'll fire the alarm remotely. I'd rather not though - as I'd prefer them to sit in a cell wondering how the hell they got busted.
So, basically... If I never get burgled then I'll miss out on all the fun of getting my shit back : )
Don't ya just love digital electronics : D ... I do like your solution though... they might get in but good luck gettin' out ; )
In some countries in the US, it's illegal to spy on your thieves like that. You could get in trouble for this. Better ask a lawyer, or at least an officer.
I had a key like that second one for my University accommodation in the UK. One row of pins was for the front doors of the block, and the other row of pins opened my room: so only one key was necessary for both doors, but only I could access my room.
That's a really cool design. Never heard of anything like that before. Do you remember a brand?
Unfortunately not! I'm not even sure they had any branding on them, since it was such a large institution. I think it's a way of doing Maison keying but without compromising the lock by adding shear points. The keys might be more expensive, but the actual locks would only need one row of normal pins.
Not that it really matters...University halls are some of the least secure 'secure' places in the world. Unless the local pizza delivery guys had some sort of master ninja who kept getting in some other way!
The Keso Lock you showed around 3mins is what our landloard uses to secure the maindoors of his apartments. good to see they are extremely secure.
Why are there so many "standard" pin tumbler locks out there, trying to be "highly secure", when so many manufactures is able to produce such nasty locks? Every time I hear you say "this is a very nasty lock, not many people out there can pick it", I can't help but to think "why the f**k ain't all locks made like that then" ;).
I know the production cost is a big deal, but I don't get why all "regular" Ruko house locks (I live in Denmark) doesn't have a nasty key way - just an example.. Why do they add security pins to prevent pick locking, but keep an easy access for a lock pick?
Why is the EVA 3KS or the Haldemann SEA 3 such rare, exotic products, when they seem 100 times better than every house key and padlock I can find in my local hardware store?
Also, great channel - I really like your work!
Thanks for answering. Hmm, I guess you are right. When you start to realize it, it just seems so stupid how most people tackle their fear with false security.
bosnianbill Yes but even the $7.00 ebay euro locks look better than the $10-20 master locks. Just trying to figure out how to use them in a us style lock. If you have any info on how to do this please let me know.
Ballz Deep Just buy the lock itself also. Not only the cylinder.
Daniel Domino seems like a case of tunnel vision, and lack of understanding interconnection. The designers were thinking only of the simplicity of picking regular pins. That was THE focus. An obsession if you will. However when in that mindset, you lose the ability to take anything else into consideration. That's my guess.
Daniel, it is a challenge for a lockpicker but not for a burglar. They can bend these parts of keyhole plate, drill it, file it, use liquid nitrogen. Of course, it is not always possible.
Bill and other UA-cam lockpickers try to show their skills. Usually they work as locksmiths and help people open locks without damaging them.
Criminals often do not mind damaging locks and for them a sofisticated keyhole is not a problem.
Very Cool Locks Again Bill. Keep On Picking Bill. 😃 N.
3:43 i just spurted my morning coffee through my nose.
WUHAHAHAHA I was even more evil then I remembered :D The TS5000 from Abus with that ultra keyway has active sidepins, not passive ones! I love this lock and it was still made in Germany. A shame Abus stopped producing it.... it was top notch if you ask me! I know a company near Frankfurt which uses the SEA3 lock in ALL of their cupboards and drawers!!! How crazy is that?
Cheers @bosnianbill! I'm a bloody lock picking beginner and opened one of the doors of my moms house today in no time. Going to buy one of those tomorrow! 😄
this video really helps with my motivation.
I'm also struggling with some of the cylinders in this video. I though it was just me.
BTW , the Vachette should have very wierd shaped pins. Almost torpedo shaped.
For some of those ridiculous paracentric gates, I made a pick set out of some very stiff/springy thin allen wrenches that I smoothed over at different SPP useful angles. The tight keyways require using about 3 or 4 of these picks at different angles sometimes to be able to push the pins far enough while not pushing other pins.
I'm looking into various gauges of spring steel wire to test the tighter entries, but rod-based picks are a lot tricker to use and require a lot of work and practice compared to a good half-diamond or standard flat pick. You REALLY need to file them nice and rounded to prevent hangups on the inside of the lock.
Really cool video ;) I was waiting for it for a long time !
I have to say, I really love the look of those freaky dimple keys from the first half of this video. Double sided, side-dimpled monsters. How difficult is it to buy these locks? They’re a great piece of design. I wouldn't even know where to start looking.
those fancy keys looks cool but those flimsy barrels can be snapped in 2 with no effort, i notice the first 2 locks had reinforcements, but the rest have no chance
trust me, its been a huge security issue, google it, burglars use scaffold bars to snap the lock, think i seen a dude doing on you tube as well
***** Mostly applicable to plastic doors. Should be able to circumvent the attack by using a steel face plate and ensuring the lock body doesnt protrude from the door.
Braze IAR
is that right, cool most people i think have th plastic doors for price but at least here is a solution
Even the first 2 can be snapped mate.
I've been called out to a few reinforced Euro locks like that and all you have to do is still an 6/8mm hole half way thru. Post a barrel thru the hole and bang. You've got a lever to snap the whole lock..
Even its flush with the door or not, it can still be snapped...
if i ever get a call for a lockout on one of those im going home .
Love your videos man. It helped alot to increase time for thiefs to pick my stuff :)
you know bosnianbill is huge when when minions does a intro for him.
Wow, that is an EVIL pile of Euro cylinders!
My naughty lock is still the Brinks 527. Always getting a false set but thats it... No Open.
Nice collection!
GR8T video. A real "reality check". p.s. The last time I had a "naughty bucket" that bad is when I was camping :o\
and notice some of those dimple-locks have front-end shimming as well. Fun stuff. I've tried a lot of these myself, and I can't say I've been successful, I've been LUCKY ONCE using some strange voodoo techniques that required some black candles, a circle on the floor, a knife, and a chicken.
+ReddmanDGZ Thinking back to that lock I think the only reason I was lucky with a dimple lock was because the lineup on the pins was a lucky break that it happened to be a weak pattern.
Lol I'm from Austria and these EVVA locks are everywhere here ^^
All the locks i use in my house are on this list. In my flat we use the lock from 5:20 to lock the room we keep the trahs cans in.
Very nasty locks there buddy. I got my LOB Euro picked but was a swine. Drops into a big false set but you get no counter rotation and have to manually turn plug back on itself to open it. I may have been very lucky with it. After picking it I just popped it on display with other locks so not played with again. May have a play later
These video's are basically nightmares for beginning lock pickers (like me) lol. A couple of these -especially with the nasty key-ways) actually made me shudder. The equivalent of the lock bogyman lol
also.. you can tell you really try to get all of these open.. you can tell from the fact you remember what you got to on all those locks lol..each has a story and you remember them all :)
2:52 every front door in switzerland i've seen so far has this lock. well there goes my plan to ever pick my own door one day....
wow i know this is an old video but those locks are wow just wow! did you ever get any of them picked!
I'm not sure how well it would work, but possibly cut some X-Ray film into a tip for a pick that you mount by whatever means you figure out to the end of an otherwise strait pick? Just an idea, pretty sure it won't last too long, but it should be flexible enough, with feedback.
Hi Bill this is Ryan and I recommend that you just call Sparrows lock picking company and tell them what make and model of Euro lock you are trying to pick open and I'm sure there engineering dept will make you a pick to open it and then ship it right to you for a review. We know that Sparrows is the equivalent of Snap-on in quality when comparing tools and they are the best and that's why I ordered the Classic Set from them last Saturday night and it is on the way to me now.
Any update on those locks?
Holy phuk I love you and your inconsistent intros
So you met the Kaba Elzett X11. Nice to know it is in your naughty bucket. :)
Apparently You and AvE on youtube have the same kinda cameras... "Focus u fuk"- AvE..hahaha "come on baby focus for me"-Bosinanbill
I've never seen some of this wierd ABUS in Germany in my 26 years, I'm very surprised such thing exists. As far as I know, DOM is a very good brand if you want to secure something, especially the more exotic types of them.
thats why in europe, thieves always break in through the windows :D One time in Paris, a locksmith we had called actually climbed from window to window on the 3rd floor because he couldn't get the door open.
End windows are mounted on foam in Europe :3
In Poland it's was faster for windows monter to take whole windows out, open door from inside end he montage it back ;P
The one @1:54 looks very much like the key to the storage locker room in the basement of my apartment block.
It has some electronics inside the plastic part of the key, that interact with the lock
When they installed the locks I slid off the plastic on the key because I thought it was too bulky on my key ring, but then the key wouldn't open the lock anymore.
Fortunately I didn't throw away the thing, so after I slid it back on, the key was working again.
BTW, the lock goes "BIP" when you insert the key. If you use the wrong key it goes "BIIIP BIIIP BIIIP BIIIP".
don't let those locks get the best of you so I would get picking nice vid
how do you make a new intro for every video 0_o
It will be a software pack that comes with the editing software that has pre set intros, you just customise the text and add it to the timeline.
Quite astonishly no locks from Abloy. Have you picked those already (or is it that you just don't have many)?
+Jukka-Pekka Tuominen Check the next video (583). There's at least one abloy. Also in the 632 he shows how to open an abloy using a design flaw. In the end those locks tend to be hard to pick, at least the ones in use nowdays. Then again, I'd guess Bill has some other not-so-subtle ways to get through doors that have abloy made locks in them :D
+ilaril That was very interesting. I didn't know there was an another video. I still would have put Abloy with the other European locks in this video, but perhaps it's because I don't know much about locks.
You could try to use feeler gauges to make picks out of... you can get them as thin as .001" ;)
are there any cores that act as a combination lock once you insert the key?
Hmmm.. Not friendly locks at all those Bill :(
Thanks for this video.
I remember not that long (5-7 years ago) locks where not hard to pick an amateur lock smith could open them no problems, now.. well that's a different story.
The first lock is terrifying it looks almost cyberpunk
That phone call scared the shit out of me. xd
Watched this video but what lock was it where Bill said he saw someone pick one on youtube ?
I love all the intro's
ho do i obtain an abus lock from 9:00, i cant believe that keyway. what did it come out of? where can i get one?
All I can say is, good luck bill.
Why are euro locks so much more secure than US locks? Do we want ours to be so easy to pick?
Also, where can I find one of those pin trays you use in your videos?
Dan Wesson Different standards. The US tends to side with lower standards and so more profits for the producer. Burglars don't tend to pick locks, they just go through unlocked doors and windows.
+Braze IAR I work for a lock manufacturer. The cheaper locks have a lower profit margin. The reason we don't see more high security lock designs in the U.S. is all about demand. We don't have that many lock picking burglaries here so the public does not see the need for high security locks. If there was a significant demand, we'd offer higher security locks.
Damn son!! The phone made me jump!!!
great seeing the lock ivr got in my front door! :) germany just rules
so ill get old too? :D
Awesome video's!!
haha. keso kaba and sea are the standard locks that everyone puts on his door in switzerland.
You better make sure you have a card for that Kaba Quattro pluS before you use it; you won't be able to get another key without it!
can u go over all the different variations of locks in one video for the sake of curiosity and knowledge?
We have Iseo locks in the house, feel alot safer after seeing this.
they seem to be wellmade locks if they are hard to pick
Can't see any with anti-snap protection?
why do they get all of those different kinds of locks when all we get here is the same old crap that has been around for a hundred years?
and how do you just get all of this stuff sent to you do you just know people or something. and if you are interested in getting rid of some of your unwanted stuff I would be interested in a few just to mess with or possibly even use
A good collection of nasty little locks that you would think can't be picked but i bet someone out there specialises in these things. Ps it's not me!! ;-)
Now that's one pile of pure evilness
still got problems with my kabba ( its the fifth one^^) ?
How's the best way to get on the naughty bucket list.
Hi bosnianbill, is it just me or are the Europeans light years ahead of the US in terms of lock technology?
I have to agree, and interestingly German lock pickers find most of those locks "easy" that bill has not picked yet. I believe that some of them may be cheating in their abilities to pick these locks.
Anyone else notice that the first Abus had a keyway that looked like a dollar sign?
Lol, that Outro
So cool
make an articulated pick that works like a ayeaye's finger.
maybe some hard wire to make into picks to get a past all those curves ? idk maybe ..
Do you have experience with WINKHAUS locks ?
I live in germany and i just moved to a new appartment. The lock we have look different than anything i have seen on your Videos. If you want to i can send you a picture of the Zylinder.
Id sell my wifes kidney for some of those....
Dang, I hope nobody took you up on this offer...😋 I would NEVER give up a lock for just ONE of her kidneys.
I have similar Keso as my primary lock --> www.sicher24.de/images/categories/KESO_4000/keso_4000.jpg
At first I was concerned about that incredible simple keyhole, but then found cross-section drawing and spring-loaded pin inside key. I really wonder if you'll manage to pick that one :)
Are these household door locks?
Yup, pretty standard in most of Europe.
Yes and they are not even expensive. I got an Abus dimple lock with 2 rows of pins and side pins. Was like 50€
I don't call 50€ expensive for something that protects my entire household.
Biggest weakness in German doors is the bolt in the door itself. Sometimes they on go like 2mm deep, even when fully engaged.
Or that the cylinder protrudes like 5-6 mm and you can rip it out with a good pair of Tongue-and-groove pliers.
The later is because they sometimes use retarded sizes for the initial cylinders that you can't get on the after market.
Just snap the lock...
It's not that secure overall is it?
+Graham Pearson many of those locks have reinforcement around the screwway where it's weakest. The ones that are just brass. yes they are not secure due to the Euro design's built in weakness. I myself have gone for the ABS which if snapped seize up the cam.
BMW has started using laser tracks for their keys recently
+frappuchino man not exactly what i'd call recently www.1ablelocksmith.com/BLOG/?page_id=948
I was just speaking from experience, not research. My 2013 5 series has it, which is peculiar, because that's not represented on the list. Does that list account for the fact that push-start cars still have physical keys?
i honestly have no idea, lol
Okay. Yeah, it was just an off-handed comment because I remembered seeing it on my key :)
9:00 why don't all lock manufacturers make key ways like this?
can somebody explain the difference of passive vs. active pins, or link me a proper video? can't find anything on google :/
I have done a video on the Abus Pfaffenhain XY Deltus lock showing both active and passive pins. I am also going to do a video on the Abus Bravus 4000 soon also showing and explaning active and passive pins. Just go to my channel and search for "Deltus" and you should be able to find it :) active pins are pins that are usually spring loaded where as passive springs are usually not spring loaded and therefore also easier to set!
Ohhh boy . . . .your poor wife; my wife would throw me out and cash in the locks (brass, stainless) if I had that many locks around the house ;) I have to hide most of my lockpicking items in my briefcase and take 2 brief cases (1 for work and 1 for lockpicking play) to work. Im also hiding stuff in my locker at work . . . . . Lol.
LOL man, I am glad I do not have a wife now, sort of :D
that makes my naughty box look like mother terriesa
I feel safer now since i have ISEO R6, and if you can not pick it i dont think any burglar here in Bosnia and Herzegovina will lol.
the intro is DaNK
I need a good unique 40/45 lock for my new apartment in Eastern Europe. If someone can recommend something unique not found here to throw off burglars because break ins are awfully common here.
Ask the local police or an emergency locksmith how many break-ins involve picking. It's almost none. Here in the UK almost 30% of break ins involving euro cylinders are simply performed using a monkey wrench to snap the lock down the weak drilled centre and pull out the front half. The rest are split between forcing the frame or destroying the door or a door panel. Picking accounts for less than 1%.
Even simple bump keys are rare as they can take longer than other methods and require the criminal to carry a bump set which means he can be found carrying items with no lawful purpose. He may as well be carrying a signed confession letter. A monkey wrench is fast and, by comparison, is credibly deniable.
I'd advise avoiding euro cylinder locks completely. If you MUST use one, I'd spend money getting one with anti-snap instead of a fancy key... at least anti-snap attempts to address the actual tactics of criminals. Fancy anti-pick keys are cute and fun but ultimately your burglar probably won't even notice.
A false sense of security is worse than no security at all.
Thanks for the nightmares.....
were is abloy locks?
EVVA is pronounced EFFA... it's German.
*very good locks! very glad to see their my locks of this collection. (Gerda, LOB, BAB) you can open this GerdA Bill, I have a video where I open this lock. if you will be interesting you could see it.
"Gerda ATEST "Evil Lock"*
why are home locks so much more advanced than padlocks and bike locks..................
some bikes cost thousands of dollars. mine costs 400 euros. I dont want it to get stolen.
Regarding the Evva 3KS: There are a bunch of pickers having picked them successfully. ImSchatten360 has picked it on UA-cam (he is trustworthy!)
Another guy, who has an interesting approach to picking high-security locks (he uses a fibre wire to illuminate the inside of the lock so that he can, has a description on his blog: unlocked.own-hero.net/2013/03/19/picking-slider-based-high-security-locks---part-2-evva-3ks/ - he also is very trustworthy - you can find him on all kinds of lockpicking competitions around Germany.
Regarding your Abus EC (probably EC750/850 judging by the key and keyway): I've picked a similar one (EC550 - only difference: two passive pins instead of 4 in EC750/850) - from my point of view it is fairly easy to pick but the warding and the passive pins can give you a hard time. If you got something that feels like a really deep false set but you can't find a responding pin, it might be that you already picked the lock but triggered one of the passive pins in the process.
Ad Evva DPI: You picked something with a similar keywar in your video #126 :P I have never seen one of these with 7 pins btw. - only 5 and 6 pinners. That's interesting! Also all sidebars I know of are semi-passive: You can pick the lockk but than the core will get stuck at 8 o'clock and you will have to "pick" the sidebar. Newer DPIs btw. don't have pins anymore - they use sliders with false gates just like the Evva Dual and they are just plain evil. Never managed to pick mine, I always get stuck in the false gates. ^^
Ad Wilka: Be careful not to overset the pins - Wilka uses serrated pins as drives
Ad BKS: Thehehehehe.. I've got the exact same lock and I did manage to pick it exactly once. and it was sheer luck. D:
And when you have a look at the bittings you might come to the conclusion that Adrian hates you :P (Nah, he is a good guy ^^)
Thanks for showing us your naughty bucket - always fees good to see that you are not the only one struggling with certain locks (or just not being able to pick some "simple-looking" locks)
good movies
could you do something like a draw life I would like to know more about you
WHAT DO THESE LOCKS LOCK