+Rafael Breban same here. im even gonna try out lockpicking and see if its a hobby for me. i think bill has one of those voices that can make anything interesting though.
+Choice777 What about Master brand combination locks? You can't really "pick" those, but can they be broken into by smashing the dial easily? Or are those better?
+martinaee You can also pick them (there's a keyhole on the back for resetting the combination) and you can work out the combination by testing the resistance on the shackle, bringing 64,000 possibilities down to
+martinaee There is another video where he shows that you can quite literally just shake a master lock open with enough pulling power and a few violent hits.
Funny story: Back in the early 90s I was a grad student in forensic psychology/criminology. I was a poor student driving an old beat up truck. One wheel had a bent wheel & the tire was dry rotted. I got a new (well, used but new to me) wheel & tire. I threw the old one in the bed of my truck. I figured someone would steal it & save me the hassle of throwing it away. Months went by & sure enough, my old wheel was still riding around with me everywhere I went. A friend,and fellow student suggested I put a chain & lock on it. We all got a good laugh from that but we decided to try it. My old tire & wheel was becoming a running joke at this point. We put a cheesy chain & lock on it & started a betting pool on how long it would take to get stolen. Everybody was guessing 1 to 3 months. It was gone a week after locking it up. lol I have always wondered what would happen if we did that 100 times. Was it a freak exception, or could that be reproduced? We will never know. lol Just try & get funding for a study like that.
shananagans5 Dad had a trailer on some land with tv inside for months with no lock, never broken into, decided to put a lock on it after counting himself lucky, 1 week later, trailer was broken into and tv stolen. Sometimes I think a lock makes people want things more.
Matt F. I think it's a perception of value. If something isn't locked & it's iffy like an old tire or a TV that you can't test they assume it has no value if it isn't locked up. If someone is taking precautions to safeguard something, they assume there is some value. To my knowledge, that's never really been tested in a proper study but it's been a few years since I have regularly kept up with journals. It may have been studied in the last 3 or 4 years.
Osama Bin Pimping Hey now. I didn't say it was a good joke. Just said it was A joke. He's trying to use stonewall and flat tones to be comedic about the intro given one would only see such an intro like that if they were sponsored by the company. You clearly had a different taste in humor, and that is totally alright. Simply move on and laugh at much better attempts at comedy! :P
I remember when I first started watching your videos, thinking those disc-detainer locks would never be pickable. Now I see you and LPL do it all the time.
because you are stupid. Master lock saved my motorbike being stolen by the LOUD sound it made when they cut the shackle with bolt cutters. Only idiots think thieves pick locks..they don't. This isn't Hollywood..in RL thieves are moronic brutes not the fucking team from Oceans 11
I would rather have a lock that I know was broken into than one that can be picked by a 10 year old with a $5 lock pick set and a 5 minute youtube tutorial leaving no evidence. Higher price Abloy are still offering great protection from bolt croppers. But if you want to go ahead and get an octagonal shackle design Master Lock, be my guest. Good luck proving to your insurance people that you really had something stolen when someone picks the lock and leaves no trace.
" i just bought the best and completely unpickable lock in the world!!! " come to the boat next just to see that the lock is dangeling above the water in a broken chain :P Or if a shed is locked with a chain and lock between the handles, you come to see that the handles are broken off... Dont buy a extreme high security lock if you are going to stick it on rotten wood..
ellyari That's the thing about America though, you have the choice to hide behind a lock if you want to. You just have the added freedom to kill him with a gun if you so choose it.
he has the same freedom to shoot you and not only that but he's more likely to since he will have his gun drawn and will be more willing to shoot since he's a criminal. also he would be better trained in all probability except if you're ex-military. the idea that the average american is better and will be in a better position to shoot the average robber is simply ludicrous. there's no need to have the choice of guns that actively disadvantages the good and the innocent in most cases.
The expensive locks are so pick resistant that the time invested in learning how to pick them would be worth more than the lock itself. And some of these locks are as of yet unpickable (Abloy for example)
@@nopnopnopnopnopnopnop Do you mean the video where he picks the Abloy Classic lock inventend in 1907 that has been picked countless times before (though it still won't probably be picked by people who would want to steal your bike)? The one depicted in this video is Abloy Protec2, a 21st century lock that is exponentially more secure.
Please do an update of this video. You say that the disc detainer locks aren't pickable, but now they are. I'd like to know your opinion on what's currently available.
Funny how much has changed in the seven years since this video was made. Back in 2013 you said having never seen a disk detainer Abloy style lock been picked to 2020 where Sparrows has just released a tool that you and the Lock Picking Lawyer created for picking these exact locks. You've really advanced your skills over the years.
Hey, don't knock masterlock too hard. they're pretty great if your threat model consists mostly of toddlers and racoons. Cheap enough to lock god damn everything and strong enough a kid won't pull it apart.
bosnianbill I have been enjoying your channel and this one show is by far the best.I worked years ago for a "securing" company and they issued lock by the case.The locks came in 10 different codes and some times 1 only,100 locks at a time. People buy houses and never think to change the locks,now I am not about to try it ,but I bet in any given city you could find 10000 or more houses with the same lock set on them and all the keys fit. People CHANGE your locks when you buy a house,there could be 10s of thousand people who could have the same key as yours.So many times I could just one of 10 keys to open a "secured" place/thing or fit close enough to tap/bump open in seconds. As shown here on this channel, raking ,shimming, bumping locks and picking is not very hard once you get the hang of it.Locks are for honest people,if you live,store stuff,where your going to have to worry about it getting stolen .buy the most expensive lock you can find. My interest in lock came at a young age of 10 and found out how simple it was to open my own word locks and such tumbler ones( even the 8 number) .I never stole any bikes but used to open a whole rack of bikes at school. and sit a wait to see the look on friends faces when the came to pick up thier bikes and they were all unlocked.I did get in a bit of trouble for it but even the school agreed people needed to get better locks for thier kids bikes when a 10 yr old can beat 20 locks in 5 min. Watch ep 184 and you will see. PS The Internet was as si fi as starwars was in the 70's LOL So no I didn't learn that way. EDIT my insurance agent suggested I put a dead bolt on my sliding glass door on his last "inspection" I have a river rock edged garaden( 5 feet away)whats your opinion for a lock to suite this application, would the dead bold help LMFAO
Thank you very very much for opening my eyes as to how lacking my garage security really is. I am embarrassed to say I had a masterlock on my garage protecting my Xmas gift tools. I have since picked that lock (impressive, i know) and am actually replacing it this evening. if you ever have a surplus of locks I would be happy to receive one from you. (I've watched about 50 of your videos in one day, but this one specifically is the one that got me hooked).
I have been on the hunt for a GOOD security lock for my storage unit and have learned that Masterlock is poop. So, when this video first started and you were talking about Masterlock, I almost closed the video and discounted everything you said. THANKFULLY, I realized you were doing bit and confirmed what my research has taught me, Masterlock makes an excellent lock-shaped paperweight.
Thanks Bill...... took your advice and spent $65 on the Abloy PL340 and then $12 for 2 additional keys. Love your videos........ GBYAY...... stay safe, stay legal!
Of all the locks you showed I prefer the masterlock ones. I tend to lose small keys and I want to be reassured that if I lose my key I'll be able to pick it easily. Thank you, you've made my decision easier
Ever since I was a little kid I've been fascinated as FUCK with padlocks. Never understood why. My parents mocked me for it. Now I understand why... this technology is amazing!
Several notes on the Titalium: First of all, it's a 6-pin lock, not a 7-pin lock. It also features only spools (or the serrated pins are just poorly designed). It's fairly easy to pick (even for me and I would consider myself a beginner/intermediate - did a video a while ago on it too, even raked it - not too often though as it has a very decent bitting - a few times ). Also, Titalium refers to a whole product lineup by Abus (locks having an aluminum body with traces of titanium in order to call them "Titalium" (titanium + aluminum = titalium). And according to some stress testing TheCaveman1966 did to a 64Ti/40 it really is crap, see Abus 64TI/40 Titalium - DON'T BUY THIS LOCK! Adrian also did an intro video to the Titalium series: Abus Titalium Series Padlocks Summing up: I probably wouldn't recommend this Titalium to anyone and would very likely go with one of the other locks you mentioned :)
I own a Titalium of later production and I cannot agree on the points made about their low picking security level. The ones available at both of my local Hardware stores had Serious bitting and including their line of spools I had to try picking them several times before I got it open! So either your lock had a lucky bitting, or they changed something about the pins, because there was no way on earth you could rake those locks with the bitting that I have seen on the Titaliums in my stores. Not trying to say you are lying about your experiences, it just seemed odd to me regarding the large sample size of visually inspected key-bittings and my own picking experience! But for High Security needs, I would too grab something else!
I was given an Abloy-340 several years ago by my then employer and have been using that to secure my storage facility door. I could by its design it was a high-security model but had no idea it was a one-hundred dollar lock - good to know it's a really good choice for what I'm using it for :)
Hey Bill, this is the first video I've ever seen from your channel. It popped up on my feed well over 3 years ago, and I have been subscribed ever since. I still come back to this video every once in a while, just to see what I should be expecting in a lock even if I am not thinking of buying one. You are the person who got me interested in lock picking. Thanks to you, I've stayed safe and legal. Thank you for all that you've done, and I wish you the best in your retirement.
I loved that Master Lock intro. Here's what I'm looking for: one of those round locks they use for storage units, but more security than a Master or one of those custom branded locks the proprietors sell. The beauty of a storage unit is multiple layers of security, starting with access control, plus a fair bit of "security through obscurity". There are hundreds of units nearly identical looking on the outside. Who knows which one is worth breaking into. So a lock that sort of matches the rest would seem to be a good idea. OTOH, not something that *I* could *EASILY* pick! Any ideas? BTW, I do have a couple of tricks that I'm trying myself that might be valid. The hardware is designed that there are four different ways to lock the lock. I try to choose the location that would make it the *LEAST COMFORTABLE* for me to pick.
The bad guys are going to go with what they think is going to be quick and easy. They're not looking for a single high value target, they're looking for an easy target, and they'll simply hit as many easy targets as they feel they need to to make the risks of crime worth it to them. There's no shortage of low hanging fruit.
The Abus Granit was picked very quickly by the LockPickingLawyer. I have it on my bike in UK, it is not compulsory to have it in order to be insured but by doing so the insurance premium goes down or they give you some money back as it reduces the risk of theft considerably if used with quality chain. In two years you can save the cost of the lock.
Bill, I was wondering when I watched this video: where do you think is the transition between a criminal deciding to attack the LOCK vs. finding some other way to bypass the lock ("Screw picking this lock, I'll just cut the chain off") and what is a good way to ensure that it's difficult to bypass the lock entirely?
Pretty much the insurance lock. Insurance companies don't care if your lock is bypassed or destroyed, they care that there's evidence of a theft. A broken chain, broken lock, etc. is evidence enough to the insurance companies, and they've done all the math already on what criminals will do.
Like others have said, i never though lockpicking and locks in general would capture and memorize me at this level. Its very enjoyable to watch, even though i have no interest in doing any lockpicking, just the fact that one with enough practice could do all this with such ease is just fantastic, and worrying! i bought a very expensive lock for my trailer, it was around 200$ in Norwegian rupees but after watching some of your videos, i realized i overspent like 120$ for that lock, and its not even safe.. just heavy!
I recently got myself a $1,000 scooter, but use a $10 lock that I've been using for 2 years to secure it. I think it's time for an upgrade before it's too late.😅
Just bought that big multilock. It's so inspirational. I have it sitting on my desk, and it motivates me to someday have something worth locking up. Thanks Bosnian Bill!!!
Can you do an updated version of this video? I'm looking for a lock for my camper hitch flip latch. I've seen you pick some newer locks that aren't in this video and would like to see how you think they stack up.
One of the things that I am worried here is that is it really safe to buy a used lock? I remember being told so many times that if you need a lock for security you always buy a new lock. the extra money that it will cost you is insignificant to the level security that it makes you feel. That way you don't have to worry about extra keys that might be lost (and found) and also that someone had replaced or manipulated the core so it's easier to pick. Especially since I don't pick locks so I probably wouldn't even know (and couldn't tell).
Buddy of mine... Fellow locksmith picked an Abloy Protec at the shop the other day. I believe the Protec II's have 16 BILLION possible combinations.... Needless to say he's very good... And only 26 years old. Impressive. Though he said himself that like any lock, it's one part skill, and one part luck.... Didn't think he could do it again but was really just messing with it for kicks. Another buddy that I work with picked a 7 pin Medeco at a jobsite... Also impressive, he said he told the costumer that he'd give it a shot but doubted that he'd get it. I've seen the newer, supposedly "Pick proof," Medeco's being bumped on UA-cam AND gutted. Both aforementioned picks done by fellow co-workers were done on fully operational and COMPLETE cylinders. No shortcuts. Just thought I'd throw that out there for the record. My money is on the Assa Abloy Protec I for my own security needs... Nobody is picking those, either before I get home or before somebody sees them trying to get in.and calls the police.
I have been a big fan ever since a viewing a video by Schuyler Towne of RVAsec(absolute love for the guy and his passion even with his background). Lock picking blew my work and boy did I love the puzzle. I work in the same environment as you and I must say keep the video's coming. Thank you so much , I view your American Lock Videos and just am blown away as I sit for 30 minutes just to get one shear line and you pop it in 2 minutes lol. I know from your videos that you can just bypass it or just drill the screw but the skill is amazing, and the puzzle grate! . Thanks for all you do. It also helps my IA duties when I just drop a "high security lock" in 2 minutes then explain why it isn't a viable options. Thanks Bosnianbill! Keep em coming, I am still trying to keep up on all of these
I'm actually shocked when I go into Home Depot and all they have is Master Locks, and I'm watching your videos and thinking my God nothing safe using these locks
Thank you Bill for all the amazing years of fascinating content. I heard from LockPickingLawyer that you are retiring from you tube and i wanted to say is Thank you and good luck to all your future endeavors where ever they may lead. " God be between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk" We will miss you......
Neat locks (I'm a lock noob), thanks for the video! I was just realizing that my laptop Kensington lock was one of these weird angled cuts on the key, which I presume implies discs. The thought occurred: wouldn't this type of key be easy to copy/cut, needed nothing more than the angles, a piece of metal/wood/plastic and a band saw (or 3D printer)?
+Mr. Grimdek Perhaps, although one could argue that merely taking your keys out in public in close proximity to a high resolution camera could be all it takes. Point being that if you were actively being targeted, you may not realize that someone beside you with a high MP phone camera just took 20 pictures of your keys you set on the table at a restaurant or similar ;)
Regarding your view of locking things up, I partially agree. I don't lock my house, and don't even have a key to it. If someone wants in, they'll get in, and I'd rather not have them break a window (I'm on acreage so sound isn't an issue). But I always lock my fancy bike on the rare occasions when I leave it somewhere other than home. Bikes are just far too easy to steal, and my 2nd bike got stolen off of my porch when I didn't lock it. So I'd say that locks are very appropriate, just not in every case.
The best lock I ever used, had four paws, stood 3 feet tall (while on all four paws), covered in fur, a whole mouth full of sharp teeth and was extremely un-social. I would have to play with him and feed him (or else), sometimes even hug him during thunder storms (we all have are phobia's his was lightening). Getting him to ride a bike never worked, so sadly I had to rely on far lesser forms of security in certain situations.
Buy the best lock in the world, yet most of you will buy cheap mild steel chain that any large dog can chew thru. Bike thieves are carrying battery powered grinders that takes just a few seconds to get thru those crap chains or U-shaped bar locks that use mild steel. And for Pete's sake do not use something flimsy to lock your bike to. Non Sibi, Sed Patriae.
If they're willing to carry around a battery powered angle grinder, then they're willing to wait for you to unlock it and then just pull you off of it.
Arahorn It's piss easy to pull someone off a bike pal. If they try to accelerate away then the bike even does the work for you. Literally all you have to do is grab them and pull.
Happy retirement!! Thank you for all of your great videos, I have some good locks because of you:) Mul T locks MTL800, Abloy protec2 362, Pewag chains. Thank you Bill!!
The ultimate insecurity is trust. The more people you trust, the less secure you are. But yeah, Masterlock is pretty garbage. Briefcase and wafer locks are worse. Can literally get past them with a screwdriver.
Great video, right on about master. In fact the consumer american manufacturers have turned out the worst kind of crap for resi locks too. Look at Schlage, Kwikset with all that pot metal crap. Dont even use machined brass cylinder plugs any more. There isnt a lock sold in Home Depot or Lowes i would use on my house!
You can feel the lock loving in this video, heck now I want one of those beefie weird key locks for my storage. But they look fancy, they might think I have some valuables to protect... making me, most likely to get torched...
BrutusPalmeira That's the beauty of having a full range of qualities with the same outer appearance. From the outside ASSA-Abloy has just two looks: Traditional flat key or Abloy disc detainer (round key), but the insides can be anything from their cheapest to their strongest lock, creating a surprise for attackers.
I agree Bill, you can not go wrong with an ABLOY. I have an Abus 8077 xplus disc lock securing my bike, I would like to see you having a crack at one. I have tried but I don't even get out of the starting blocks with one, I am no where near as skilled as you though.
I remember when I worked at a convenience store someone left their keys at the store and never came to pick them up. One of the keys looked like a longer version of that Medeco key lock; it had 7 or 8 pins. The other keys looked like security or P.O. box keys so whoever lost them must've been working some kind of high security job...and was probably in a lot of trouble for losing them
That's good to know, I use the second to last padlock on my motorbike. Have been looking looking for vids of how to pick them. After your video there, now I know why I can't find any. Because they are unpick able! Cheers!
I had a bike in NYC back in the 80s which was chained to a light post with a heavy chain and decent padlock, what happened to me was a gang of kids were unable to steal the bike so what they did was whacked the padlock on it's side against the metal lamp post hard enough it dented the case, I seem to remember it was brass, it dented hard enough the core could not be turned and was essentially mechanically locked with the case.
Is there any lock that is bolt cutters proof?like doesn't matter if you lock only opens with you DNA if they can just cut with a high quality bolt cutters =[
Really good video. I'm a hobby lock picker so wanted to see what the next level up is from American. This gives me some good ideas. As far as bike security a thief probably wouldn't even try to pick anything beyond an American with spool pins. They would use a cordless angle grinder with a silicon carbide disc or possibly even a diamond disc to cut through any shackle that's out there. So unless you have some kind of diamond impregnated shackle and diamond impregnated chain you ain't stopping a thief. You are delaying them and hopefully delaying them enough to move on to someone else's less protected property.
Excellent review! I would have never thought about padlocks and the security features that are now available. It was always a belief that any lock was pick-able, but it seems that may not be the case. Going to your local Wal-Mart, Master padlocks seem to be the mainstream thing that promise protection. My parents recently had an attempt made for someone trying to steal their flatbed trailer, my father had a lock on the tongue. It was a magnetic lock that uses a magnetic bar that you line up on the side to unfasten the lock, They bent the shackle to a 30 degree angle, but the lock did not release, so they gave up, luckly. I am unsure how safe a magnetic lock actually is, but they would be much better off with a higher quality lock IMHO.
@@preluder4 I think a combination of steel on the outside and ceramic underneath would be better. Ceramic alone would easily be defeated by a hammer. But together it would take several destructive methods to breach, and a good bit of time.
Master locks are more for show than they are for actual security. It's more for people to look at and think "darn, that's locked" than it is to actually stop people from stealing something if they are determined to.
I accidentally got into some of the lock picking videos about 2 months back and was promptly led to Bill and LPL on UA-cam, been watching both their channels ever since and have bought 2 lock picking kits and a bunch of padlocks to pick. Still stuck on a Yale lock with spool pins, hopefully I'll be able to get the know how soon enough and be able to pick it consistently.
The newer Abus Granit has shielded shackle, about $105 on Amazon as of now. The Protec2 340 (newer model 342) is like $180. Throw in a good Abus chain and you're good to go.
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never in my life I thought I would be interested in watching locks video but you are good
+Rafael Breban same here. im even gonna try out lockpicking and see if its a hobby for me. i think bill has one of those voices that can make anything interesting though.
+Rafael Breban His unbridled honesty is welcoming.
+Ntwister I did just that, it's a lot of fun!
+Rafael Breban what does "you sit are good" mean you fucking hillbilly
+Mark Martin I'm positive he just mistyped "you sir are good" its just one keystroke difference don't have an aneurysm.
the sarcasm is high in this one regarding the master lock.
+Choice777 What about Master brand combination locks? You can't really "pick" those, but can they be broken into by smashing the dial easily? Or are those better?
+martinaee You can also pick them (there's a keyhole on the back for resetting the combination) and you can work out the combination by testing the resistance on the shackle, bringing 64,000 possibilities down to
+martinaee There is another video where he shows that you can quite literally just shake a master lock open with enough pulling power and a few violent hits.
+Joel Berggren Indeed.
back in highschool kids just broke masterlock combination locks buy hitting them with another lock.
Funny story: Back in the early 90s I was a grad student in forensic psychology/criminology. I was a poor student driving an old beat up truck. One wheel had a bent wheel & the tire was dry rotted. I got a new (well, used but new to me) wheel & tire. I threw the old one in the bed of my truck. I figured someone would steal it & save me the hassle of throwing it away. Months went by & sure enough, my old wheel was still riding around with me everywhere I went.
A friend,and fellow student suggested I put a chain & lock on it. We all got a good laugh from that but we decided to try it. My old tire & wheel was becoming a running joke at this point. We put a cheesy chain & lock on it & started a betting pool on how long it would take to get stolen. Everybody was guessing 1 to 3 months. It was gone a week after locking it up. lol I have always wondered what would happen if we did that 100 times. Was it a freak exception, or could that be reproduced?
We will never know. lol Just try & get funding for a study like that.
shananagans5 LOL. maybe they needed a lock and chain.
shananagans5 I believe it! It reminded of this story in a way: tatermater.proboards.com/thread/503/potatoes-introduced-greece
shananagans5 Dad had a trailer on some land with tv inside for months with no lock, never broken into, decided to put a lock on it after counting himself lucky, 1 week later, trailer was broken into and tv stolen. Sometimes I think a lock makes people want things more.
Matt F. I think it's a perception of value. If something isn't locked & it's iffy like an old tire or a TV that you can't test they assume it has no value if it isn't locked up. If someone is taking precautions to safeguard something, they assume there is some value.
To my knowledge, that's never really been tested in a proper study but it's been a few years since I have regularly kept up with journals. It may have been studied in the last 3 or 4 years.
+shananagans5 Where did you go to grad school? I'm looking at forensic psych programs right now!
I think Master Lock is the best. Well, if you forget the key you still can open it. Nice feature.
None of those other locks have that feature, how could they forget it?
Yes but then its easy to open by a thief 🤦♂️
@@nicholasoas9282 don't tell the thieves this video
So, this is sponsored by Master Lock to tell em that their locks are bullshit
Awesome.
Are you stupid or...........
Osama Bin Pimping No, why?
Osama Bin Pimping *Psst* He's making a joke
MrLastlived You call that a joke? Last time I checked, jokes were supposed to be funny.
Osama Bin Pimping Hey now. I didn't say it was a good joke. Just said it was A joke. He's trying to use stonewall and flat tones to be comedic about the intro given one would only see such an intro like that if they were sponsored by the company. You clearly had a different taste in humor, and that is totally alright. Simply move on and laugh at much better attempts at comedy! :P
But what if they steal my lock
+Drew Davis you better lock your lock with a higher quality lock
+prgnify Lockception.
XD
Get a chain that takes too long to cut but with the jaws rescuers use.
If it's a Master lock, let them have it 😆
I remember when I first started watching your videos, thinking those disc-detainer locks would never be pickable. Now I see you and LPL do it all the time.
I have nothing to lock, but still I watched the whole video, very informative.
I got all excited at the thought of maybe getting one of these locks and then realized I have nothing I need to lock up.
This video was obviously made before the now famous “Pick that BosnianBill and I made”.
I'll never buy a Master Lock again.
because you are stupid. Master lock saved my motorbike being stolen by the LOUD sound it made when they cut the shackle with bolt cutters. Only idiots think thieves pick locks..they don't. This isn't Hollywood..in RL thieves are moronic brutes not the fucking team from Oceans 11
Yeah, pick experience. Ironically, the only thing they are actually good for. That and making me think i'm much better at picking locks than I am. ;)
Abloys are not physically strong though. Bolt cutters will cut them easily.
I would rather have a lock that I know was broken into than one that can be picked by a 10 year old with a $5 lock pick set and a 5 minute youtube tutorial leaving no evidence. Higher price Abloy are still offering great protection from bolt croppers. But if you want to go ahead and get an octagonal shackle design Master Lock, be my guest. Good luck proving to your insurance people that you really had something stolen when someone picks the lock and leaves no trace.
***** Even so, your average thiefs use bolt cutters on those Master Locks as well. A great padlock would be a Rotalok with an Abloy core.
I have a very short attention span, yet somehow you kept me hooked with a 15 minute video about locks...
I guess you could say you were . . .
locked, on your screen. 😎
I locked up a huffy bicycle with a $100. dollar lock. they stole the lock and left the bike lol
Steven C HAahahahhahaha
Steven C A thief..interested in security?
Oh well it's probably not a good lock anyway if they could staal it that easily
How good it without the key though
Is it *
" i just bought the best and completely unpickable lock in the world!!! "
come to the boat next just to see that the lock is dangeling above the water in a broken chain :P
Or if a shed is locked with a chain and lock between the handles, you come to see that the handles are broken off...
Dont buy a extreme high security lock if you are going to stick it on rotten wood..
I always found it funny to see high security locks on glass doors.
Then you cant pass that door silently... if there is noone to hear that noise then steel door will not gonna help you!
Funny as you start going up in the lock quality, you start seeing european designs.
+TheUnPlayable When you can`t have guns, you have locks.
+Daniel Burgess I'd rather have the criminal give up unlocking it than have to get into a shootout with him...
ellyari That's the thing about America though, you have the choice to hide behind a lock if you want to. You just have the added freedom to kill him with a gun if you so choose it.
he has the same freedom to shoot you and not only that but he's more likely to since he will have his gun drawn and will be more willing to shoot since he's a criminal. also he would be better trained in all probability except if you're ex-military.
the idea that the average american is better and will be in a better position to shoot the average robber is simply ludicrous.
there's no need to have the choice of guns that actively disadvantages the good and the innocent in most cases.
+ellyari A firearm is the ONLY thing that can level the playing field for the weak to resist against the strong.
Some of those locks are so expensive they may get picked for the lock itself!
Roger Onslow lol
The expensive locks are so pick resistant that the time invested in learning how to pick them would be worth more than the lock itself. And some of these locks are as of yet unpickable (Abloy for example)
@@thorlancaster5641 LockpickingLawyer just released a video of the Abloy being picked :)
@@nopnopnopnopnopnopnop Do you mean the video where he picks the Abloy Classic lock inventend in 1907 that has been picked countless times before (though it still won't probably be picked by people who would want to steal your bike)? The one depicted in this video is Abloy Protec2, a 21st century lock that is exponentially more secure.
@@msfinm I see, yes that's the one I meant.
If you know, could you explain why the protec2 is more secure?
Been a locksmith for 45 years this video is highly done I recommend and put together well. Nice job
Please do an update of this video. You say that the disc detainer locks aren't pickable, but now they are. I'd like to know your opinion on what's currently available.
@@lewispewsey6843 in America we dont either, we just shoot em off!!!
In Romania we steal the locks too🥱
In germany we sue the locks
@@gigelushful buna de tot !! 😂 Hai noroc
Lmao the replies
Funny how much has changed in the seven years since this video was made.
Back in 2013 you said having never seen a disk detainer Abloy style lock been picked to 2020 where Sparrows has just released a tool that you and the Lock Picking Lawyer created for picking these exact locks.
You've really advanced your skills over the years.
i thought you were gonna pick the cuffs lol
Hey, don't knock masterlock too hard. they're pretty great if your threat model consists mostly of toddlers and racoons. Cheap enough to lock god damn everything and strong enough a kid won't pull it apart.
+Keiya Bachhuber A piece of twine fits that threat model too.
+Niles Black you don't know the kids that go through our trash.
+kaustubh Put a mouse trap in the trash, laugh when someone snaps their fingers on it :D
+Keiya Bachhuber My kids can open Master's in seconds. I'll have to upload a video of him popping some
All you need to open a Master lock...is for a rat to fart on it.
They're so crap, simply hitting it with a hammer will most probably work.
I like how you make it much easier to pick a lock...
I'll just show myself out.
bosnianbill I have been enjoying your channel and this one show is by far the best.I worked years ago for a "securing" company and they issued lock by the case.The locks came in 10 different codes and some times 1 only,100 locks at a time. People buy houses and never think to change the locks,now I am not about to try it ,but I bet in any given city you could find 10000 or more houses with the same lock set on them and all the keys fit. People CHANGE your locks when you buy a house,there could be 10s of thousand people who could have the same key as yours.So many times I could just one of 10 keys to open a "secured" place/thing or fit close enough to tap/bump open in seconds.
As shown here on this channel, raking ,shimming, bumping locks and picking is not very hard once you get the hang of it.Locks are for honest people,if you live,store stuff,where your going to have to worry about it getting stolen .buy the most expensive lock you can find.
My interest in lock came at a young age of 10 and found out how simple it was to open my own word locks and such tumbler ones( even the 8 number) .I never stole any bikes but used to open a whole rack of bikes at school. and sit a wait to see the look on friends faces when the came to pick up thier bikes and they were all unlocked.I did get in a bit of trouble for it but even the school agreed people needed to get better locks for thier kids bikes when a 10 yr old can beat 20 locks in 5 min.
Watch ep 184 and you will see.
PS The Internet was as si fi as starwars was in the 70's LOL So no I didn't learn that way.
EDIT my insurance agent suggested I put a dead bolt on my sliding glass door on his last "inspection" I have a river rock edged garaden( 5 feet away)whats your opinion for a lock to suite this application, would the dead bold help LMFAO
Does anyone else think that with Master locks keys are just a throw in and aren't really required at all?
exactly
Matt Flanagan TV
You don't really have to know how to pick a lock to get into them
@@crazyd3mon968 I-I mean, you're not wrong.
Thank you very very much for opening my eyes as to how lacking my garage security really is. I am embarrassed to say I had a masterlock on my garage protecting my Xmas gift tools. I have since picked that lock (impressive, i know) and am actually replacing it this evening. if you ever have a surplus of locks I would be happy to receive one from you. (I've watched about 50 of your videos in one day, but this one specifically is the one that got me hooked).
I like your style Bill. Always fun but critically instructional. Thanks for the lesson.
I have been on the hunt for a GOOD security lock for my storage unit and have learned that Masterlock is poop. So, when this video first started and you were talking about Masterlock, I almost closed the video and discounted everything you said. THANKFULLY, I realized you were doing bit and confirmed what my research has taught me, Masterlock makes an excellent lock-shaped paperweight.
Older, but still a great video. Thanks!
Of course, if there is a chain or cable, that is important as well.
Thanks Bill...... took your advice and spent $65 on the Abloy PL340 and then $12 for 2 additional keys. Love your videos........ GBYAY...... stay safe, stay legal!
"I've never known anybody to be able to pick this lock"
and then
"Moving up in security, if you want something that's even harder to pick"
This is my favorite video you’ve made, happy retirement and enjoy the time with the family
The people at Master Lock should be very mad at this.
naaah i think they would be too dumb to notice.
Not mad, sad...
The people that Master Lock markets to don't watch informative videos.
No, they were mad enough to threaten to sue me...
hahaha really? that's incredible
Since 7th grade my hobby has been collecting padlocks so this is one of my favorite videos of all time.
awe man now I kinda want some locks.
Of all the locks you showed I prefer the masterlock ones. I tend to lose small keys and I want to be reassured that if I lose my key I'll be able to pick it easily.
Thank you, you've made my decision easier
masterlock is like a good indicater of american hospitality with a bit of exclusiveness.
grab a rake and you're in!
Ever since I was a little kid I've been fascinated as FUCK with padlocks.
Never understood why. My parents mocked me for it.
Now I understand why... this technology is amazing!
Take care Bill, thank you for all the entertainment, education, and joy you brought us over the years :)
Several notes on the Titalium: First of all, it's a 6-pin lock, not a 7-pin lock. It also features only spools (or the serrated pins are just poorly designed). It's fairly easy to pick (even for me and I would consider myself a beginner/intermediate - did a video a while ago on it too, even raked it - not too often though as it has a very decent bitting - a few times ). Also, Titalium refers to a whole product lineup by Abus (locks having an aluminum body with traces of titanium in order to call them "Titalium" (titanium + aluminum = titalium). And according to some stress testing TheCaveman1966 did to a 64Ti/40 it really is crap, see Abus 64TI/40 Titalium - DON'T BUY THIS LOCK!
Adrian also did an intro video to the Titalium series: Abus Titalium Series Padlocks
Summing up: I probably wouldn't recommend this Titalium to anyone and would very likely go with one of the other locks you mentioned :)
What locks are your favourite?
I own a Titalium of later production and I cannot agree on the points made about their low picking security level. The ones available at both of my local Hardware stores had Serious bitting and including their line of spools I had to try picking them several times before I got it open! So either your lock had a lucky bitting, or they changed something about the pins, because there was no way on earth you could rake those locks with the bitting that I have seen on the Titaliums in my stores.
Not trying to say you are lying about your experiences, it just seemed odd to me regarding the large sample size of visually inspected key-bittings and my own picking experience!
But for High Security needs, I would too grab something else!
I was given an Abloy-340 several years ago by my then employer and have been using that to secure my storage facility door. I could by its design it was a high-security model but had no idea it was a one-hundred dollar lock - good to know it's a really good choice for what I'm using it for :)
Bill, I wonder how your opinion has changed over the last 2 years? Any new locks to add, or remove, from the high security list?
Hey Bill, this is the first video I've ever seen from your channel. It popped up on my feed well over 3 years ago, and I have been subscribed ever since. I still come back to this video every once in a while, just to see what I should be expecting in a lock even if I am not thinking of buying one. You are the person who got me interested in lock picking. Thanks to you, I've stayed safe and legal. Thank you for all that you've done, and I wish you the best in your retirement.
I loved that Master Lock intro.
Here's what I'm looking for: one of those round locks they use for storage units, but more security than a Master or one of those custom branded locks the proprietors sell.
The beauty of a storage unit is multiple layers of security, starting with access control, plus a fair bit of "security through obscurity". There are hundreds of units nearly identical looking on the outside. Who knows which one is worth breaking into. So a lock that sort of matches the rest would seem to be a good idea. OTOH, not something that *I* could *EASILY* pick!
Any ideas?
BTW, I do have a couple of tricks that I'm trying myself that might be valid. The hardware is designed that there are four different ways to lock the lock. I try to choose the location that would make it the *LEAST COMFORTABLE* for me to pick.
The bad guys are going to go with what they think is going to be quick and easy. They're not looking for a single high value target, they're looking for an easy target, and they'll simply hit as many easy targets as they feel they need to to make the risks of crime worth it to them. There's no shortage of low hanging fruit.
The one sold by Public Storage nowadays is made by PacLock and is pretty good. Might be the best discus lock out there in terms of pick resistance.
The Abus Granit was picked very quickly by the LockPickingLawyer. I have it on my bike in UK, it is not compulsory to have it in order to be insured but by doing so the insurance premium goes down or they give you some money back as it reduces the risk of theft considerably if used with quality chain. In two years you can save the cost of the lock.
Bill, I was wondering when I watched this video: where do you think is the transition between a criminal deciding to attack the LOCK vs. finding some other way to bypass the lock ("Screw picking this lock, I'll just cut the chain off") and what is a good way to ensure that it's difficult to bypass the lock entirely?
bosnianbill Kinda what I figured, but thanks for the confirmation. Still enjoyed the video very much!
Pretty much the insurance lock. Insurance companies don't care if your lock is bypassed or destroyed, they care that there's evidence of a theft. A broken chain, broken lock, etc. is evidence enough to the insurance companies, and they've done all the math already on what criminals will do.
Like others have said, i never though lockpicking and locks in general would capture and memorize me at this level. Its very enjoyable to watch, even though i have no interest in doing any lockpicking, just the fact that one with enough practice could do all this with such ease is just fantastic, and worrying! i bought a very expensive lock for my trailer, it was around 200$ in Norwegian rupees but after watching some of your videos, i realized i overspent like 120$ for that lock, and its not even safe.. just heavy!
I recently got myself a $1,000 scooter, but use a $10 lock that I've been using for 2 years to secure it. I think it's time for an upgrade before it's too late.😅
I got a $1000 e bike and decided to put a onguard brute lock on it.
This is one of my favorite UA-cam videos, I will watch it again from time to time and never not enjoy it. I hope you enjoy your retirement BosnianBill
Am i missing something... i went from one video the other day to lock picking videos..
its the recommended algorithm
ppl who watch similar videos in sequence get similar recommended
+Bakuya99, lol, "welcome to UA-cam!"
Just a few more "clicks" & you'll be watching college sorority girls having a pillow fight!.. see ya there!
Just bought that big multilock. It's so inspirational. I have it sitting on my desk, and it motivates me to someday have something worth locking up. Thanks Bosnian Bill!!!
What is the model number of that big multi lock and how much was it?
This is great for the lock part, very informative. I am wondering if you can recommend the chain to put around the bike?
Grade 100 chain.
Can you do an updated version of this video? I'm looking for a lock for my camper hitch flip latch. I've seen you pick some newer locks that aren't in this video and would like to see how you think they stack up.
One of the things that I am worried here is that is it really safe to buy a used lock? I remember being told so many times that if you need a lock for security you always buy a new lock. the extra money that it will cost you is insignificant to the level security that it makes you feel. That way you don't have to worry about extra keys that might be lost (and found) and also that someone had replaced or manipulated the core so it's easier to pick. Especially since I don't pick locks so I probably wouldn't even know (and couldn't tell).
Jukka-Pekka Tuominen Just don't tell the seller where you live.
Buddy of mine... Fellow locksmith picked an Abloy Protec at the shop the other day. I believe the Protec II's have 16 BILLION possible combinations.... Needless to say he's very good... And only 26 years old. Impressive. Though he said himself that like any lock, it's one part skill, and one part luck.... Didn't think he could do it again but was really just messing with it for kicks. Another buddy that I work with picked a 7 pin Medeco at a jobsite... Also impressive, he said he told the costumer that he'd give it a shot but doubted that he'd get it. I've seen the newer, supposedly "Pick proof," Medeco's being bumped on UA-cam AND gutted. Both aforementioned picks done by fellow co-workers were done on fully operational and COMPLETE cylinders. No shortcuts. Just thought I'd throw that out there for the record. My money is on the Assa Abloy Protec I for my own security needs... Nobody is picking those, either before I get home or before somebody sees them trying to get in.and calls the police.
torille?
torille.
+Jako1987
Torilla.
@@Burgerboatt Torilla tavataan.
I have been a big fan ever since a viewing a video by Schuyler Towne of RVAsec(absolute love for the guy and his passion even with his background). Lock picking blew my work and boy did I love the puzzle. I work in the same environment as you and I must say keep the video's coming. Thank you so much , I view your American Lock Videos and just am blown away as I sit for 30 minutes just to get one shear line and you pop it in 2 minutes lol. I know from your videos that you can just bypass it or just drill the screw but the skill is amazing, and the puzzle grate! . Thanks for all you do. It also helps my IA duties when I just drop a "high security lock" in 2 minutes then explain why it isn't a viable options. Thanks Bosnianbill! Keep em coming, I am still trying to keep up on all of these
I'm actually shocked when I go into Home Depot and all they have is Master Locks, and I'm watching your videos and thinking my God nothing safe using these locks
Master Lock does actually have some pretty decent locks but for the most part yeah
Thank you Bill for all the amazing years of fascinating content. I heard from LockPickingLawyer that you are retiring from you tube and i wanted to say is Thank you and good luck to all your future endeavors where ever they may lead. " God be between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk" We will miss you......
Neat locks (I'm a lock noob), thanks for the video! I was just realizing that my laptop Kensington lock was one of these weird angled cuts on the key, which I presume implies discs. The thought occurred: wouldn't this type of key be easy to copy/cut, needed nothing more than the angles, a piece of metal/wood/plastic and a band saw (or 3D printer)?
They would need to see the original key, so it would be extremely difficult
+Mr. Grimdek Perhaps, although one could argue that merely taking your keys out in public in close proximity to a high resolution camera could be all it takes. Point being that if you were actively being targeted, you may not realize that someone beside you with a high MP phone camera just took 20 pictures of your keys you set on the table at a restaurant or similar ;)
Regarding your view of locking things up, I partially agree. I don't lock my house, and don't even have a key to it. If someone wants in, they'll get in, and I'd rather not have them break a window (I'm on acreage so sound isn't an issue). But I always lock my fancy bike on the rare occasions when I leave it somewhere other than home. Bikes are just far too easy to steal, and my 2nd bike got stolen off of my porch when I didn't lock it. So I'd say that locks are very appropriate, just not in every case.
The titalium can be had on amazon for under $10 now ...even more of a bargain 6 years later!
Perhaps the most direct and informative videos Ive seen on UA-cam, Thank you!
The best lock I ever used, had four paws, stood 3 feet tall (while on all four paws), covered in fur, a whole mouth full of sharp teeth and was extremely un-social. I would have to play with him and feed him (or else), sometimes even hug him during thunder storms (we all have are phobia's his was lightening). Getting him to ride a bike never worked, so sadly I had to rely on far lesser forms of security in certain situations.
Buy the best lock in the world, yet most of you will buy cheap mild steel chain that any large dog can chew thru. Bike thieves are carrying battery powered grinders that takes just a few seconds to get thru those crap chains or U-shaped bar locks that use mild steel. And for Pete's sake do not use something flimsy to lock your bike to. Non Sibi, Sed Patriae.
Unfortunately, pepper spray is cheaper and quieter than a grinder or bolt cutters.
If they're willing to carry around a battery powered angle grinder, then they're willing to wait for you to unlock it and then just pull you off of it.
MrRibbotron Serious dude you must be pretty cowardly if a guy can pull you off your bike and ride away on it.
Arahorn It's piss easy to pull someone off a bike pal. If they try to accelerate away then the bike even does the work for you. Literally all you have to do is grab them and pull.
Happy retirement!!
Thank you for all of your great videos, I have some good locks because of you:)
Mul T locks MTL800, Abloy protec2 362, Pewag chains.
Thank you Bill!!
but what kind of chain should i use?
Thanks! Looking at putting some kind of strong lock on the sliding door of my van, to prevent thieves "peeling" it down to steal my stuff.
ultimate insecurity is master lock?
It's no-lock :)
The ultimate insecurity is located between your legs.
Sorry, I really couldn't help it
I'll show myself out
The ultimate insecurity is trust. The more people you trust, the less secure you are.
But yeah, Masterlock is pretty garbage. Briefcase and wafer locks are worse. Can literally get past them with a screwdriver.
Great video, right on about master. In fact the consumer american manufacturers have turned out the worst kind of crap for resi locks too. Look at Schlage, Kwikset with all that pot metal crap. Dont even use machined brass cylinder plugs any more. There isnt a lock sold in Home Depot or Lowes i would use on my house!
Who is the nice fella at the end?
Don't know, but I bet the picture wasn't taken March 3rd, 1934.
Great video , I learned alot in 15 minutes.
You can feel the lock loving in this video, heck now I want one of those beefie weird key locks for my storage. But they look fancy, they might think I have some valuables to protect... making me, most likely to get torched...
BrutusPalmeira That's the beauty of having a full range of qualities with the same outer appearance. From the outside ASSA-Abloy has just two looks: Traditional flat key or Abloy disc detainer (round key), but the insides can be anything from their cheapest to their strongest lock, creating a surprise for attackers.
ABLOY FINLAND TORILLA TAVATAAN!!!!!
LOL
I feel like going out and buying a lock for no reason !!!! Good job man !!!
In soviet union, lock picks you
I agree Bill, you can not go wrong with an ABLOY.
I have an Abus 8077 xplus disc lock securing my bike, I would like to see you having a crack at one.
I have tried but I don't even get out of the starting blocks with one, I am no where near as skilled as you though.
Off course most of the top security locks come from Europe 😉😉😉
I remember when I worked at a convenience store someone left their keys at the store and never came to pick them up. One of the keys looked like a longer version of that Medeco key lock; it had 7 or 8 pins. The other keys looked like security or P.O. box keys so whoever lost them must've been working some kind of high security job...and was probably in a lot of trouble for losing them
Most criminals use cutting bolt cutters, handheld grinders, sawzalls, they dont pick.
Jbweld multiple layers of ceramic overtop of the lock body and shackle.
That's good to know, I use the second to last padlock on my motorbike. Have been looking looking for vids of how to pick them. After your video there, now I know why I can't find any. Because they are unpick able! Cheers!
Jesus those locks look really intimidating when you show all the dimples and angles. I seriously did not know how shitty Masterlock was.
Yes nel masters are pretty bad. They really are just a keep an honest man honest
I had a bike in NYC back in the 80s which was chained to a light post with a heavy chain and decent padlock, what happened to me was a gang of kids were unable to steal the bike so what they did was whacked the padlock on it's side against the metal lamp post hard enough it dented the case, I seem to remember it was brass, it dented hard enough the core could not be turned and was essentially mechanically locked with the case.
when i found this video about 4 hours ago i thought it was some sellout criminal.
boy was i wrong
Thank you so much for all the videos you’ve made! Cheers and I hope your family the best!
"For the ultimate insecurity" Master Lock
I watch LPL and the Great Algorithm has finally graced me with your channel. I love the Master Lock sarcasm here
Is there any lock that is bolt cutters proof?like doesn't matter if you lock only opens with you DNA if they can just cut with a high quality bolt cutters =[
+bosnianbill your right! and thanks =D
i think gonna buy some abloys and abus insurance,lol
+Greenberet no, just make sure to get the largest shaft and make sure the metal is hardened
or a battery opwered angle grinder
+Garrett Holland very loud with sparks flying everywhere. Bit of a dummy aren't ya?
david turbo it also gets the job done in less then a minuite
Really good video. I'm a hobby lock picker so wanted to see what the next level up is from American. This gives me some good ideas. As far as bike security a thief probably wouldn't even try to pick anything beyond an American with spool pins. They would use a cordless angle grinder with a silicon carbide disc or possibly even a diamond disc to cut through any shackle that's out there. So unless you have some kind of diamond impregnated shackle and diamond impregnated chain you ain't stopping a thief. You are delaying them and hopefully delaying them enough to move on to someone else's less protected property.
ABLOY = Aktie Bolaget Lukko Osake Yhtiö. In Finland they got 99% market share. :D
From whom dat protection? Polar bears? Crazy Ivans? Aliens?
Polar bears, they're very good at picking locks.
Excellent review! I would have never thought about padlocks and the security features that are now available. It was always a belief that any lock was pick-able, but it seems that may not be the case. Going to your local Wal-Mart, Master padlocks seem to be the mainstream thing that promise protection. My parents recently had an attempt made for someone trying to steal their flatbed trailer, my father had a lock on the tongue. It was a magnetic lock that uses a magnetic bar that you line up on the side to unfasten the lock, They bent the shackle to a 30 degree angle, but the lock did not release, so they gave up, luckly. I am unsure how safe a magnetic lock actually is, but they would be much better off with a higher quality lock IMHO.
Sad part is,,,a Cordless Grinder with a Cut Off blade will defeat ALL of these. We need to work of teaching our kids right from wrong.
Jbweld multiple layers of ceramic overtop of the lock body and shackle.
@@preluder4 I think a combination of steel on the outside and ceramic underneath would be better. Ceramic alone would easily be defeated by a hammer. But together it would take several destructive methods to breach, and a good bit of time.
Funny start. I am learning to pick locks. I hasten to say, purely for fun. Even I can pick those Master locks in less than 5 seconds.
I don't use or need these kinda locks, but i watching this. What's wrong with me?
My ride is gonna be here in like 2 minutes and I'm sitting I'm my pajamas watching this.
Congrats on your retirement! This single video has been most helpful to me over the years as I consider new lock purchases. Thank you!
did he just pick a lock @2:13 in under one second?? holy fugg! this is even faster than with a key... awesome skills and shitty lock!
Master locks are more for show than they are for actual security. It's more for people to look at and think "darn, that's locked" than it is to actually stop people from stealing something if they are determined to.
The intro was excellent. The pic at the end... priceless!
"It's practically impossible for us criminals to get into this thing..."
*Opens with a lockpick in 3 seconds*
Not with a pick, with a RAKE. You don't have to know anything about locks to do that attack!
I miss you, Bill. I hope you are living your very best life right now.
GUYS EVERY LOCK CAN BE DESTROID WITH A TORCH
oh really.... check out sargent and greenleafs 951
I accidentally got into some of the lock picking videos about 2 months back and was promptly led to Bill and LPL on UA-cam, been watching both their channels ever since and have bought 2 lock picking kits and a bunch of padlocks to pick. Still stuck on a Yale lock with spool pins, hopefully I'll be able to get the know how soon enough and be able to pick it consistently.
You weren't realy in jail, were you?
He escaped (it's been three years you might see this in notices and not know what this is)
The newer Abus Granit has shielded shackle, about $105 on Amazon as of now. The Protec2 340 (newer model 342) is like $180. Throw in a good Abus chain and you're good to go.
Yeaahh.. if I dont lock my bicycle up .. it gets stolen..