The Greatest Roman Hoax - That Fooled EVERYONE
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2023
- ...ok, ok at least the name of the mountain range is fake.... I just couldn't fit that all in. Enjoy.
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Welcome to this weeks offering. We take a look at how The Forgery from Charles Julius Betram fooled the world for 100 years. Taking in the greats such as William Stukeley the forgery was that good mapping features are still named after it today.
Credits:
Thumbnail Design: Rowan Whitewick
Credits: Music: Storyblocks
Sound Effects: Epidemicsound and Storyblocks
Voice of Betram and Stukeley: Matthew Evan Jones: www.mandy.com/uk/a/matthew-jo...
ALL Lidar: EA Via Phil Barrett (Twitter: @Phil_M_Barrett )
Additional Footage: Storyblocks - artgrid.io
Additional Drone Footage:
Maps: OS Maps Crown Copyright 2023 - Media License.
Maps: Google Maps.
Maps: National Library of Scotland
William Roys Maps and drawings: National Library of Scotland
Maps: All other Maps credit below where applicable.
Filter: Snowman Digital and Beachfront B-Roll
Other Filters: Storyblocks
Other Credits:
William Roy Plaque picture: Spudgun67
Royal Danish National academy picture: Heb
Stukeley Head portrait: I Wood
Gentlemens Magazine: Google.
Main Sources:
roadsofromanbritain.org/bertr...
Book Purchased: William Stukeley: An account of Richard of Cirencester.
www.amazon.co.uk/Description-...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Des...
hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/d... - Розваги
...ok, at least the name of the Mountain range is fake and should probably be called something else! But hey, I couldn't fit all that in.
Would have been interesting to see more of the actual content of the hoax. Will you be doing any follow up videos to delve into the details?
@@KenFullman the issue is that the only sources I have are the main book I purchased. It doesn't make for a great video... its all itineries.
It was called the Peaks in Old English.
I'm disappointed - I was looking forward to a shocking exposé detailing how the Romans had simply piled huge quantities of earth on a previously vast flatland. ^_~
May Rory and his family be cursed for all time ✌️🕊🏴
When you said Richard had to wait three years to get the copy of said manuscript I thought straightaway, That's roughly how long it would take to write/draw. good video thoroughly enjoyed it
100% that.
I've learned more about your country from this channel than in all my prior years on this earth. Cheers from New York!
I've learnt so much about the world via youtube and on "Street View". I respect all the great non governmental, non corporate historians, current affairs and commenters who share knowledge
So have I, and I live in the UK 🤦♂️😆 lol
You are right. This channel is excellent.
May I also recommend a BBC series named Coast! You will find it very much in the same vein.
@@bl7355 I have huge respect for Neil Oliver (BBC Coast) lives in my town, decent (family) man.
Thank you, that was really excellent, loved the little elements like the rotating map, the puff of dust from the shoes, the voice over etc. They really make a difference to the overall feel. And it was an interesting story to tell.
You're very welcome!
The way Bertram presents the document to Stukeley is like, textbook pseudoscience psychological manipulation. The tricks have changed nothing since then.
Don't forget the Sobieski-Stuart brothers' fictional Vestiarium Scoticum which is to a great extent responsible for the lore and traditions surrounding Scottish tartans to this day. It was totally lapped up by the credulous people of their day.
Ooooops
Another great trip back in time. I’m convinced you’ll figure out these puzzles left by history. Glad to see and Rebecca again. Cheers mates ❤❤😊😊
Oh wow. The quality of your videos has reached a new high. This is so well done, and the work you put into it. I'm looking forward to the next one with antici...
🙏🙏🙏
Really well produced. Just like the good documentaries the BBC used to produce.
Thanks
"Used to"!
@@SteamCraneUsed to. Agreed.
@@stalfithrildi5366 Same in the US. Bought a good big screen a few years ago, unplugged it a couple years ago. Nothing to watch. Used to watch a lot of sports, until they stopped being sports.
Stukeley was a fascinating character. He lived at a perfect time for his enthusiasm to overreach his actual scholarship. An age of 'gentleman amateurs', whose creativity ranged from the ground-breaking to the delusional. Stukeley played a founding role in the 'rediscovery' (or reinvention) of the Druids as a magnet for historical fantasies of many kinds.
I am nicking that sentence. "...his enthusiasm to overreach his actual scholarship."
@@pwhitewickThe current British parliament is still half full of 'gentlemen amateurs'. They're not a total waste of space but anything they say should be taken with a considerable pinch of salt.
The current Druid movement is as big a fraud as the 'Knights Templars'.
Sort of like an eighteenth century Robert F Kennedy Jr.
@@chrisoneill3999 No - more like a Fauci.
Bertram was about 24-25 and possibly not even graduated at the time, but undoubtedly ambitious towards gaining academic recognition. Which apart from this aberration he did. Motive. I believe he wanted to gain recognition from Stukeley which in turn he could use to good purpose in his desire to progress in his institution in Denmark. Once Stukeley took the bait Bertram couldn't do anything but fully commit. Hence the three years delay. Bertram was responsible for setting about teaching English in Denmark suggesting nobody around him would have questioned what he was up to. To his fellow academics he was in the white heat of research with a leading English antiquarian. Ticks all the academic rise up the greasy pole.
Not the first and not the last.
I think you could well be on to something.
Fantastic article altogether. That sort of depth of reading does hold me enthrawled. Thank you Paul and Rebecca. Cheers!
The "Grampius/Grampium" error is a bit more complex than that - Tacitus actually named the mountain and battle site as "Mons Graupius" (with two 'u's). The error in the 1476 print was to change the second 'u' to 'm' - "Grampius". Presumably Stukeley compounded this by also changing the 's'.
Thanks for clarifying.
Such a gem of a channel - keep up the good work and thank you!
I don't quite get the Grampius thing. In the document shown it says Ad montem Grampium. Since ad requires the accusative case, Grampium is perfectly fine, isn't it?
The study of anything and everything has always been hampered by bell-ends.
So interesting, loving your new format, so professional, lovely filming.
I had a Row with someone on another channel, who said the Apennines were named after the Pennines or some such tosh. I patiently explained the as you have here and they went crazy. Similar is the Grampian mountains in Scotland. Tacitus refers to Mons Graupius in the Agricola. This may be the Mounth near Aberdeen. A medieval Italian cartographer rendered it as Mons Grampius, and the Grampians were named for a spelling error.
Bad spelling is one of Terry Pratchett's jokes - bear hunters would go up the tree-less Bear Mountain and cone back unsuccessfully..
@@neiloflongbeck5705i used to live in Bearwood which had Bears as iconography at all the events, etc.
It meant the cleared wood in Early English.
@@stalfithrildi5366 probably named before the invention of spelling and a real world example of Pratchett's joke.
Excellent video. Video work and production tell great tales with good use of static imagery.
Another fine production from the Whitewick team.... Very interesting & informative... Well done Paul & Rebecca.. As always looking forward to the next amazing production.. Bravo..
I really love your camera work, the scenery makes me homesick!
Wonderfully researched as usual and beautifully shot.
hello again Paul and Rebecca, this was so interesting , really well done and thank you 😊😍
I see Richard of Winchester/Cirencester wrote in Old Czech. 04:40 You live and you learn!! 😂
I always enjoy your vids, thank you. However, I am a little confused , in what way are the Pennines a hoax?
Oh, thank goodness l'm not the only one. Got to the end of the video wondering the same thing but, thought it was just me being distracted.
Same here
Fascinating stuff. Really interesting. Thank you Paul. You never cease to entertain us.
Really liked this one Paul , great bit of historical facts and research well done 😊
Many thanks
I have walked the the Pennines and visited parts of Hadrians wall so were did I walk
You waked the Pennines.👍 It is just a generic name for all the fells, peaks, tors and dales. A lot of fuss about nothing. I don’t think it matters where the name came from. However, l never go to Cumbria. For me it will always be The Lakes 🤣
Thanks for this video. It's always useful to have more examples of people deliberately trying to corrupt memory so that we may raise our guards.
It's always a fine line in research, particularly when different versions of history exist - the British take on Agincourt is the redacted version left after the Tudor censors focused on glorification of Gloriana and England, erasing everything in a wider context such as the HRE's need to unite Christendom against the Ottoman threat to their eastern holdings, whence the Council of Constance, which fought off every effort to hijack the Church agenda. Firstly Jan Hus was burned at the stake, then the French were disposed of - the "starving army" is BS, Henry had his fleet offshore and was headed into Flemish Burgundy, his allies.
The result is a secondary sources only view of history controlled by the "experts" who've not had a new thought in their lives. The Agincourt comment is a part of wider study which has the Dan Brown nonsense using it as cred, via his sources, the Baigent Holy Blood fuss rooted in Plantard's Priory of Sion conspiracy theory - which itself sowed the seeds for the WEF conspiracy theorists. I was caught up in the Millennium Apocalypticists fuss, as part of this - which makes life hard when you're in the area.
3:25 -- De Situ Britanniae (On the Situation of Britain) by Richard of Cirencester
3:32 -- William Stukeley (1687 - 1765)
4:20 -- Charles Julius Bertram (1723-1765)
This is fabulous! Where has this channel been all my life?
Welcome. 🙏❤️
Opening- "no maps of Scotland"
That reminds me of an episode of the original _Connections_ with James Burke. As I recall, it was the invention of a powerful chemical light source that allowed accurate surveys to be made in the fog and persistent hazy air.
Very interesting and extremely well orated Paul, Thank you both, worth waiting till Sunday for :)
Our pleasure!
What a great short film! Keep up the good work
Another fascinating piece of our history. Keep up the good work.
Another wonderful glimpse into the past. Question: has it been possible to separate the fake from the actually useful work of Stukeley?
Paul one of you best insight videos and many thanks for the research and work putting it together. You passion for maps is fantastic.
Thanks 👍
As always Paul tells a great story extremely well
This is going to be great !!
Thank you for making this wonderful episode ! It was educational and entertaining !
Cheers From California 😊
Our pleasure!
Great video and well explained as always!!Thank you.
Excellent production and fascinating story
An additional minim was placed alongside the two minims which made the first 'u' in Graupius creating the word "Grampius". It is from this mis-spelling that we get the "Grampian Mountains" of Northern Scotland.
Well that'll go down well here in Yorkshire! I don't see how anyone living on a billiard table can say that our hills are fake! Even the French wanted to ride our Pennines in the 2014 Tour de France. If the name Pennines is fake we Tykes get to rename them, and the name will probably be t' Dales! 😅
The Lancashire Dales! 😀
I vote for 'ee ups and downs'
🤣🤣 from rival Lancashir. We share them too
Awesome video, I've been looking for more details on this recently, and this is way beyond my dreams! Maybe one day we will find the Roman name for Irchester. Isannavitia is a possibility...
Thanks Jim
that was fascinating and excellently presented. Thank you
Awesome, so glad you've slowed down and concentrated..... Didnt batrum have a cousin who had a liason with stukely, maybe a reason??
Oooooh.... did he now???
Yet another great production, a great tale of misguided writings of experts that is still happening today in many areas of science and archaeology. I did fear that you might have an unwanted visitor when sat in the heath-land from an Adder though 🤨 Always look forward to your videos each week, thanks for another.
Ah yes, I did keep my eyes peeled.
Great episode this week guys . A+
HALFWAY THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE CLOCK AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS... BYE.
Dr, Karen Gray from Maryland coined the phrase of Zombie History. It is when bad history is accepted as fact and then becomes the standard source for others down the line.
Look forward to your videos on a Sunday.
As a former North Pennines resident, I used to call the North Pennines the North Pennines.
Fascinating Paul. Thanks
Fascinating paul, great video m8 💪👏
Paul seems to have taken a very strange route as he delivered his most interesting lecture. Starting on Iping Common and then via Linch Ball on the South Downs Way before descending the steps on Maysleith Hanger. Then suddenly we are back at Milland Church and Tuxlith Chapel at the top of the steps. Then it's back to Iping and the mansio, And was there a bit of Chapelcommon too? recording all the sections of the talk in logical order shows a mastery of logistics, Well done!
Thanks for Maysleith Hanger, dint know that one 😅
Loved that thanks, so very interesting. Please take care
Excellent video, this is YT at its best! Love the expression, “a fabricated truth”.
Superb documentary, Paul and Rebecca.
Really interesting story, great video
Yet again another well put together video.
In Blackpool lancs we have a hill called warbreck hill it is sometimes known as beacon hill .it turns out that the Romans had a beacon fire to warn surrounding areas of a Viking attack.
Romans: 55BC to 410AD. Vikings in Britain 797AD to 1042. As someone said, zombie history. Beacons were widely used for centuries. You’ll find some are called Toot hills or tut hills (London has a Tuthill Fields, for example). When James VI of Scotland inherited the thrones of England and Ireland in 1603, the signal was sent to Edinburgh by beacon fires.
@@Joanna-il2urMaybe the Vikings never invaded while the Romans were here because the beacons kept them away! 😂
@@antonioveritas not only were there no Vikings, there was no Denmark.
@@Joanna-il2ur So no Danish bacon in those days?!
@@antonioveritas double underlined
Very enjoyable telling of a story I’d forgotten. Bit of a fan of Stukeley, although he messed up big time on this one! Thanks for putting so much effort into your Roman-based content.
1747: Lots of Roman places nobody heard of before, it has to be true because I read it in a manuscript...
2012: Alan MacMasters invented the electric toaster, it has to be true because I read it on the Wikipedia...
Excellent video, really enjoyed watching, well done!!
Thank you very much!
This might be interesting you know it’s Orkney was named Pomona by the Romans… although translates as the island of soft fruit they may not actually got there, just new of it’s existence…
How curious. I wonder why they thought "soft fruit". Goddess of fruit! Same as the town in california and an island in Manchester.b
Are bilberries found in Orkney? They're common in upland areas on the mainland.
The Romans called them the Orcades.
I gave up waiting for you to cut to the chase and get to the point ... the internet waits for no-one
I gave up as well.
Obvious click bait video
Excellent! Really enjoyed this one.
Many thanks!
Thanks for this
Got to love a good hoax, the social media are full of them these days!😅
Your enthusiasm, energy and thirst for knowledge is very enjoyable to watch. Why do you think the local population not adopt the Roman way of life?
Excellent presentation …. Engaging and informative …
I have thought of the possibility that they were called the Pennines by Romans serving on Hadrians Wall after the much higher Apennines in Italy. In spite of the more modest height of the English range and the colder climate, they may have made up the name to mind them of home. Hadrian's Wall bisects the northern Pennines.
Excellent. Thank you.
Nice work 👍
You know someone's a UA-cam OG when they call the description the "dooblydoo"
What an amazing video. Thank you
Thank you too!
A brilliant video and I love these production values (standards?) As always very informative and I look forward to seeing the next one.
I can almost hear my very Welsh Latin master telling off someone about 2nd declension nouns. Grampius boy, not Grampium! It’s a name so it’s nominative not accusative!
(Yes, Monty Python’s Life of Brian Latin lesson was very close to the truth)
Great work. Standard.
Nice to see Rebecca at the end! Since the channel is called "Paul and Rebecca " it would be nice to see more of her if possible? You two work best as a team. I especially like Rebecca's facial expressions in response to what Paul is saying! 😂
We enjoy the mix at the moment. :-)
@@pwhitewick Or maybe Rebecca could present, and Paul could pull faces?! 😉
Thirsty
Very interesting but why does he pronounce Bertram as Beitram?
Hence the expression 'Roman in the gloman'.
According to the History Times website:
The latter, occupying the modern Peak District, was better land than in the north, and was probably the main base of the 'Kings of the Pennines' while the territory remained undivided. The name 'Pennines' probably derives from the Celtic 'penn' which means 'mountain', or 'summit' (literally 'head'). The name was also applied to the Apennines in Italy, perhaps by the Celtic inhabitants of its northern reaches. The name would have been formed as 'penn-inus', meaning that it certainly originates in the pre-Anglo-Saxon domination of the region.
Fascinating, thank you. Most of my research for this came from the Roman Road Research Association. I shall pass this on
One of the big seats of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms at the time was Repton (Mercia) which is in modern terms just south of the white peak or peak district (according to taste) on the flatter planes of the Trent valley.it had a fair bit of viking attention as well. So much so that even Megan Fox of transformers fame came to Repton to do an investigative TV programme there. I came for Megan Fox, but stayed for the content , as it was surprisingly interesting from a historical point of view. Iirc nearby Lichfield was also a bit shot back in the day.
I don't know if any of this is relevant, I am just following on from the last post.
Is Bertram really pronounced "Baytrum" ?
you could write an masters on this subject
After this research session, I feel like I could!
The art of Trolling.
Super stuff 👌
Thank you 👍
There was a scholar that visited the area I grew up in, where there had a large Roman presence, as well as along history of druids and other pagan religious groups, all of whom had left thier mark. He was very excited because he had what he claimed was an ancient document, containing a map, that re-wrote the entire history of the West of Scotland. He wanted to unearth the druidic altar that had been buried there to preserve it, but his request was denied, mainly because the map named the country as Caledonia and was clearly a fake, likely produced in the early 20th century.
He slunk away with his tail between his legs, and his wallet considerably lighter. A moments research would have shown him that what he had was fraudulent, but in his excitement and hubris, he never thought to check his source. I suspect that Stukeley fell for the same scam, and for the same reasons.
"DoodbleyDoo..... BINGO!!"
No way we made those maps
Nice video - but on the 'Grampius' point, 'Grampium' would be right. At least, if the highlighted text on screen is the quotation under discussion, because that said 'ad montem grampium'. The preposition 'ad' takes the accusative case, which would make 'Grampium' correct.
Paul seems to be confused. The error he refers to in an edition of Tacitus (not "Tacticus") was in spelling the name Grampius rather than the correct Graupius, and has nothing to do with the ending.
@@skiapod6427 ah, that makes more sense.
Get well soon Paul and Rebecca
Are we ill?
@@pwhitewick He might be referring to obtaining a Roman water source.
Interesting look into the histiography, reminiscent of CambrianChronicles most recent vid
Love that channel!
Ooops! 'the Military Survery of Scotland'! 😯But thanks, that was very interesting.
Oh dear.... what did I say!?
@@pwhitewick Not said. Screen text. Sorry.
Pseuds corner .. everyone is a self-made histor-antiquary now, from Oliver 'caveman' Neil to Dan the Pisstory Man
And today it is even easier to fool the world, just use the internet. Not aimed at you two, Paul and Rebecca, I trust you implicitly! Great video, as always, thanks.
Roy was a rogue
Glad everyone else enjoyed it. What a lot of waffle.
Sorry Sam. We'll include more pretty pictures and colourful drawings to help you cope with the big words next time.
@@pwhitewick No you won't.
By all means do post a link to your content. I'd love to see the work of such an obvious master of the genre.
@samstvshow nope, no we won't. Because the number of views and retention tells me that you are in a minority.
Is that Ashdown Forest?