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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Welcome to this weeks video. The Vinland Map and its story recently fell into my net of fascinations. Join me on todays journey as we try and unravel its mystery.
Usual things to note:
1. We are not historians. We enjoy researching and learning stuff, and with that we enjoy sharing our journeys with you. That said, sources for information often listed below with credits.
2. Errors. Whilst I make every attempt to not include any errors, research and piecing stories together from dozens of sources sometimes leads to one or two. I will note this here if any are found:
A. I don't think the image of Enzo is actually Enzo. When I edited this together I made a note that it was. Now I am not so sure!
B: "Paul completely fails to mention the Scottish amateur researcher who in 2013 convinced Yale that the Map was a forgery". I didn't specifically include much after the 1980's as there was a world of back and forth which I personally didn't feel was justification for inclusion. I may be wrong of course hence my listing here.
C: "No the Map wasn't covered in TO2 ink, the ink lines were". I had assumed that was reasonable obvious that indeed I did mean the ink.
D. "Yale were part of the conspiracy and cover up". In my mind and from the sources I read, Yale admitted that the map, post McCrone study, could well be a forgery. They then went on to validate this themselves using non destructive spectro readings.
E. "Your thumbnail is wrong it did not fool everyone." To be fair, in its early days, I think it did. Please also understand that this is a thumbnail.
F. Many have suggested that the America's were never discovered, in that natives were clearly there for millennia. We fully appreciate that and should have mentioned this within the production. Clearly for this video we are referring to the western worlds discovery of, what was to them a new world.
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Credits (Public domain if not stated):
Actor for Painter: Matthew Evan Jones
Actor for Witten: Matthew Evan Jones
Spectro Images: Yale University and Yale University News
Map in situ now: HuMcCulloch CC
Enzo Black and White: Connecticut magazine
Mr Witten Black and White: metmuseum
Paul Mellon Image: mangrove 22
Artist impression of the British museum: Mujtaba Chohan
Filter: Snowman Digital and Beachfront B-Roll
Maps: Google Maps
Maps: National Library of Scotland
Maps: OS Maps. Media License.
Stock Footage: Storyblocks
Music: Storyblocks
Sources:
Book (Owned): The Vinland Map and the Tartar Relation. Skelton, Marston and Painter. (Dec 1965 3rd edition).
Book (Owned): On The Map - Garfield - 1996
On the Saga’s: www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorian...
On Yale's part:
news.yale.edu/2021/09/01/anal...
Original McCrone review:
www.mccrone.com/case-studies/...
Vinland Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland...
Scientific America: www.scientificamerican.com/ar...
Age of Parchment: www.cambridge.org/core/journa...
On the Ink: www.webexhibits.org//vinland/...
Chapters:
00:00 - 01:11 Intro
01:12 - 05:34 Larry and THE Find
05:35 - 07:44 Larry Arrives Home
07:45 - 10:34 The Puzzle Fits
10:35 - 13:08 The Map is Real
13:09 - 15:39 Today - Розваги
My father was curator of maritime history at the Smithsonian at the time the Vinland Map was "discovered." He presented a paper at the first conference in the States about the map. This was in the mid-1960's. He spent hours plotting the map with modern and ancient coordinates, maps, charts, and his own experience as a Master Mariner. He insisted it was a forgery. A piece of art; a superlative piece of work; but, a forgery nevertheless. He would be pleased by this narrative. Well done.
@@RedstoneApprentice OP never insisted their father discovered anything. Merely that they insisted the map was a fake before it was finally confirmed as such.
@@RedstoneApprenticeI understand what you are saying but if you go deeper it was discovered in terms of Europe.
Everything is always from a perspective.
@@RedstoneApprentice You know full well that's not what discover means in this context. "Discover: To be the first, or the first of one's group or kind, to find, learn of, or observe." key wording here is "First of one's group or kind" as in the first Europeans to do so. They are a group or kind of humans. Many different peoples can discover the same exact thing at different times and in different ways or places. The Europeans discovering the Americans does not detract from the Proto-Asiatic peoples who found their way onto the continent from the other side.
@@KitsuneRogue You can also if you like see the Norse as being the first to be aware of both North America and Europe as the people living in North America was not aware of Europe. It wouldn't be much of a discovery if Native Americans were traveling to Europe before that.
Dang it! Now I don't get to reply to Daniel Jackson! Why does someone always gotta hijack a thread with irrelevant extraneous politickin'???
P.S. Daniel Jackson has been getting notifications about replies to his OP, and most people who get a load of nonsense political extraneous irrelevant replies tend to shut off notifications, thus cutting off discussion. Sometimes you just gotta keep your thoughts in your own head, because we've all heard it for the past 50 years or however long we've been alive.
This is a graduation video. With it you have attained the same level as the professional presenters. If the TV companies and agents come knocking, don't be surprised because you deserve it.
And thank you.
Thank you 😊
@@pwhitewick Avoid the "professionals". They will muck things up.
@@pwhitewickWhy are you paying for fake comments? Just a weird thing to do and it’s very obvious.
@@martychisnall erm. What!?
@@martychisnall Where? Point them out for me. I can usually spot AI generated voices, videos and comments on the spot. I can't see or hear anything here that indicates fakery.
With 176K views and only around 600 comments (at this time) that doesn't seem like there have been an excessive number of comments.
Are you just hear to get some attention? (Seems a bit childish.)
A beautifully crafted production! You told the ‘tale’ extremely well and kept the viewers pinned to the screen, hanging on to every word. Absolutely wonderful, and might I be so bold as to say one of your best…..certainly in the top 10!
This video is of an extremely high quality and is far better than many videos produced by professional companies wit big budgets.
The difference is, professionally-produced video doesnt often have the same opportinities to comment and interact. Paul’s material is interesting and educative but the best advantage is having a community feel. Its a great use of youtube. I agree its extremely high quality.
This is better produced than many BBC history programmes I have seen. More, please!
According to the book Cod: A Biography of the Fish Who Changed The World by Mark Kurlansky, there were Scandinavian fishermen who knew all about the new world for decades and would go fishing there for cod fish. The rest of Europe was like: "where are these Scandinavians getting such great catches?" But they would never reveal that they knew about "Vinland" i.e. North America, because they didn't want any other ships going over their to their secret fishing spots where cod was in abundance! Once the Scandinavians started to spot ships from Spain, Portugal, Italy, and England over there too, they were REALLY disappointed because they realized their secret was now going to be out, and they would no longer have that fantastic monopoly on these amazing cod fishing locations. That part of the story is usually left out of the history books; that there was a valid REASON why Scandinavian fisherman would not want to put the location of "Vinland" down on any map. The whole point was NOT to tell anyone about it. Cod by Mark Kurlansky is the only history book where that part of the history of America has ever been documented.
Why is he walking what appear to be disused railways in England while talking about Vikings in North America.
WOW!! WAT A FIND! THANKS FOR THIS HELP MAN! 😃☝👌👌👍
I thought Kurlansky claimed it was the Portuguese who fished the Grand Banks and set up drying and salting operations on the coast.
This is a funny one: Whatever the Nordics (Scandinavian fishermen) were doing west of Greenland 1000 years ago was NOT to fish for cod - they had PLENTY of cod off their own shores in Norway, Iceland and Greenland.
@@Halli50 You're missing the point. The point is that OTHER European Nations also knew about cod fishing off the shores of Norway, Finland, and Greenland too, and they too were fishing those same waters. This displeased the Nordic and Basque fisherman who absolutely wanted to find secret fishing spots that no one else know about. (Ask any fisherman, and they will tell you, they are always searching for this.) Here is an excerpt from the book Cod: A Biography of the Fish Who Changed The World by Mark Kurlansky, which explains this better than I could. Here are some excerpts.
"Centuries earlier, The Vikings had traveled from Norway, to Iceland, to Greenland, to Canada, and it is not a coincidence that this is the exact range of the Atlantic cod. In the tenth century, Thorwald and his wayward son Erik the Red, having been thrown out of Norway for murder, traveled to Iceland, where they killed more people and were again expelled. About the year 985, they put to sea from the black lava shore of Iceland with a small crew on a little open ship. Even in midsummer, when days were almost without nightfall, the sea there is gray and kicks up whitecaps. ...Erik, hoping to colonize this land he discovered west of Iceland, tried to enhance its appeal by naming it Greenland. Travelling further west, he found a rocky land he named Stoneland. ...How did the Vikings survive in green-less Greenland and soil-less Stoneland? How did they have enough provisions to push forward on to Woodland and Vineland, where they dared not venture too far inland to gather food because of hostile natives, and yet still had enough food to get back? What did these Norsemen eat on the five recorded expeditions to America between 985 and 1011 that have been recorded in the Icelandic sagas? They were able to travel to these distant shores because they had learned to preserve codfish by hanging it in the frosty winter air until it lost 4/5ths of its weight and became a durable wood-like plank. ...The Basques, unlike the Vikings, had salt, and because fish that was salted before drying lasted longer, the Basques could travel even further than the Vikings. ...Catholicism gave the Basques their great opportunity. The medieval church imposed fast days on which the eating of warm flesh was forbidden, but eating 'cold' foods was permissible. Because fish came from the water, it was deemed cold. Since Friday was the day of Christ's crucifixion, fast days included all Fridays, the forty days of Lent, and various other days of note on the religious calendar. In total, red meat was forbidden almost half of the days of the year, and those lean days eventually became salted cod days. ...The Basques were getting richer every Friday but where was all this cod coming from? The Basques had learned from the Vikings where the cod came from but the Basques, who never even said where they themselves came from, kept the secret. By the fifteenth century this was no longer easy to do, because cod had become recognized as a highly profitable commodity and commercial interests around Europe were always looking for new cod grounds. There was cod off Iceland and in the North Sea, but the Scandinavians who had been fishing those waters for centuries noticed that they had never seen the Basques. The British, who had been fishing for cod well offshore in these northern waters since Roman times, were not running across Basque fisherman, even in the fourteenth century, when British cod fisherman began venturing up to Icelandic waters. Soon Vikings and Britons began talking of almost forgotten sagas of a land across the sea, where cod could be found. ...Thomas Croft, a wealthy Bristol customs official, trying to find a new source of cod, went into partnership with John Jay, a Bristol merchant who had an obsession: He believed in old sailor's tales that somewhere in the Atlantic was an island called Hy-Brasil. In 1480, (years before Columbus set sail in 1492) Jay sent his first ship in search of this island, which he hoped would be a new fishing base for cod. In 1481, Jay and Croft outfitted two more ships, the Trinity and the George. No record exists of the results of this enterprise. Croft and Jay were as silent as the Basques. They made no announcement of the discovery of Hy-Brasil, and history has written off their voyage as a failure. But somehow, they did find enough cod so that in 1490, when the Hanseatic League offered to negotiate to open the Icelandic fishing trade to them, Croft and Jay said they weren't interested, even though salted cod was an obsession in Bristol. Where was THEIR cod coming from? It arrived in Bristol already dried, and drying cannot take place on ship deck. It was assumed that Croft and Jay must have been buying the fish from somewhere. It was illegal for them to engage in foreign trade, so Croft was prosecuted. Claiming he caught the cod far out in the Atlantic, he was acquitted without any secrets being revealed. To the glee of the British press, an ancient letter has recently been discovered in a Christopher Columbus archive, The letter had been sent to Christopher Columbus, a decade after the Croft affair in Bristol, while Columbus was taking bows for the discovery of America. The letter, from an organization of Bristol merchants, alleged that Columbus knew perfectly well that they had been to America already. It is not known if Columbus ever replied. He didn't need to. For centuries, fisherman had been keeping their secrets, while explorers were telling the world of their discoveries. Columbus claimed the entire new world for Spain. Then, in 1497, five years after Columbus first stumbled into America thinking at first that he'd found India, John Cabot sailed from Bristol in search of Croft's source of cod. In June, after only thirty-five days at sea, Cabot found land, and it wasn't India. It was a vast, rocky coastline, ideal for salting and drying cod, by a sea that was teeming with cod! Cabot reported on the cod as evidence of the wealth of this new land, which he called New Found Land and claimed it for England. Thirty-seven years later, Jacques Cartier arrived and was credited for 'discovering' the mouth of the St. Lawrence, and claimed it for France. He also noted the presence of over 1,000 Basque fishing vessels. The Basques, wanting to keep a good secret, never 'claimed' this land for anyone. ...Jacques Cartier would write of this American coast that this was the place that the Viking Leif Erikson had called 'Stoneland,' which was probably the, rocky barren Labrador coast. 'I saw not one cartload of earth, though I landed many places.' Six centuries earlier, it was from 'Stoneland' that Leif's men turned south to 'Woodland' and 'Vineland.' The identities of these places is not certain. Woodland could have been Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, or Maine, all three of which are wooded. In 'Vineland' they are said to have found wild grapes, which no one else has found in any of these places. The remains of Viking camps have been found in Newfoundland. But the Vikings had been greeted in that land by inhabitants they found so violent and hostile that they deemed settlement impossible. This is a striking assessment from people who had regularly been banished from everywhere for their habit of murdering people. More than 500 years later the Beothuk tribe would also prevent John Cabot from exploring beyond the crossbow range of his ship. The Beothuk did not misjudge Europeans, since soon after Cabot, they would be enslaved by the Portuguese, driven inland by the French, and hunted by the English, and exterminated in a matter of decades."
Back in the 1980s, I crossed the Amazon from Bolivia to Venezuela, and at one point I shared a cabin on a riverboat for 5 days down the Madiera River from Porto Vehlo to Manaus with a Brazilian anthropologist. He spoke English, and told me of an Amazonian tribe that was much taller than other native tribes, lighter skinned, and some had blue eyes. His theory was that the Vikings actually made it to the Amazon Basin, and never left. I've never researched this story and probably never will, but it sounded plausible at the time. Maybe you have resources to check this out? It could make a great video for this channel....
Robert Sepher channel talks about that. White hair over 6ft+
Long ago, somewhere on the internet, I read about a discovery that may have been made off the Caribbean coast of Colombia. Supposedly a short distance from shore, the wrecks of two Roman galleons were found, but before they could be properly investigated, the Colombian government had them both buried in tons of sand. Because Colombia prefers the Columbus story, go figure.
The story continued that there was also a discovery somewhere in Central America of a Roman style tomb and artifacts, underneath (I think) an Aztec tomb. But also before that could be investigated, the local government built a Catholic church on the site.
Less unproven and theoretical, there are stonework ruins in Georgia that exactly match the architecture style of medieval (10th-12th century, I think?) Welsh castle construction.
Aryans.
There were also Irish and Welsh that traveled across the Oceans.
@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 yes!!!!! . Wilson and Blackett are a must read on this subject. We the Welsh, Irish or ira are the people 'they' try to hide. Our writings are worldwide. Known by the masses as the Egyptian his-story. Bullshyt among others.
Interesting and very professional documentary!
The 'official' discovery of Newfoundland (from a European point of view) was preformed by John Cabot (a Venetian) sailing from Bristol in 1497. It is believed that Bristol sailors had trade contacts with Iceland and the Icelanders were aware of lands to the west, beyond Greenland, so Cabot's voyage wasn't just speculative - he may have known there was some land to be found. There's a replica of Cabot's ship "The Matthew" often to be seen in Bristol's floating harbour.
The Norsemen definitely settled in Newfoundland. Did they arrive on the mainland? And what about St Brendan the Navigator? Always more questions....
In 1959, my 5th grade American History book had several pages about Lief Erickson, the Vikings, and a settlement in Vinland. Later, when I mentioned that the Vikings came to the America's before Columbus, others thought I was crazy
Asians beat Columbus. But Ainu, not Chinese.
@@RickMason-yj7pv : OK, where are the ruins of these ainu settlements? I see somone claims Egyptians, Irish and Africans coming to America, but they can not show any proofs, but the Vikings left proof in the settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows.And bu the way, Columbus never saw the American continent, only islands in the Caribbean
@@perolden ! During the ice age the oceans were 100 meters lower. People walked into north America from the bearing straights region and migrated over many generations all the way down south. I checked todays depth its 90 meters at its deepest point. I always wondered why Mongolians and Inuit's look a lot like American Indians and Ainu . It could have been any them or another similar tribe tribe as national borders as we know them didn't exist 7000 years ago..
@@stephenfisher7114 It is no doubt there were people in America before the Europeans came looking for Disneyland, and Columbus did not step ashore in America, only in the Caribbean. Vikings traveled the coast to the estuary of the Mississippi in the Golf.
And there are ruins in Canada to prove it.
@@peroldenThe carribeans are America. The issue here is that you think the US is the only America
Fantastic production quality... and a great telling of the story. Loved every minute of it.
That was great, well researched, informative and expertly produced. Well done. Look forward to more!
What a superb production, professional class and an interesting story. Thank you
Great work Paul, a riveting story, and very well told, keep up the great work :)
Thanks Paul, another great production. I look forward to these each week
Well done. This feels like a real step up for you guys. Looking forward with ever greater anticipation to see what you do next.
Thank you. Definitely felt like it too
Wait, I am confused, and would like clarification on one thing. Leif Erikson was a historical figure, and an explorer by all accounts. I was a smartaleck kid in the 70s, you know the kind of snotty little brat that loved telling his teachers they were wrong about George Washington being the first president because it was actually John Hancock, and that Columbus was not first because it was Leif Erikson.
So are there writings or diaries or anything that confirm Erikson visited North America, or was all such opinion based on this faulty map? Hell, most of my teachers from back then are probably on the other side of a graveyard fence at this point, but I'd hate to think I was a pain in the arse about stuff like that and was wrong.
I believe Leif's credit comes from the Sagas and Norwegian or Icelandic records.
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Outstanding video. Thanks, Paul. Seasons Greetings to you both.
hello again Paul and Rebecca, this was so interesting , i really enjoyed this one , well done and thank you for the hard work , 😊😍
I never heard of that map before. Very interesting topic and the quality is high as usual.
Please go on making these great videos. They are a treat every Sunday.
Thanks Kia
You did a great job on this one. Enough info and good chronology. Thanks.
Very interesting and great production. Please keep going 😃
Thank you
@@pwhitewickWhy are you paying for bot comments?
@@martychisnall dude... we do not pay for bots. But you know that.
@@martychisnallhow do we know you're not a negativity bot 🤖
Thankyou. That was interesting and a well put together video. We look forward to more like it.
Appreciate all the work that went into this production. I hope you do more like this.
A fascinating and well-presented collection of the story, as ever. I remember my mum telling me about this when I was younger. It was fascinating to think that Vikings got there before Columbus! Looking forward to more of these. 😀
Very much enjoyed this video. It is very well produced and contains for me many interesting facts. As always - thank you.
Fascinating video Paul, one of your very best imho. I really enjoyed it!
Absolutely brilliant Paul!! Really interesting 🙂 Thank you 🙂
Fascinating, thanks Paul, well done!
Fascinating story beautifully presented - good job Paul. Pleasure to follow as ever - appreciate all the effort you put in to the production.
Many thanks!
l'anse aux meadows in northern newfoundland is extaordinary. . close to the tip of a headland and opposite labrador which you can easily see.. the holes where the norse dug bog iron to make nails to repair their ships are all around. there are lots of black gooseberries which i think were mistaken for grapes, in the sagas, still growing in abundance.. there is a replica of a sutton hoo lyre hanging on a longhouse wall and a costumed guide very kndly took it down and played it for me. how special was that. i still have goosebumps. Sutton hoo in that wild spot.
a truly great production paul .....🙂 a very merry Christmas ....and a happy new year ...all the best for 2024 ......
Superb post, that took a lot of hard work, very nicely done, great stuff.
I enjoyed this one. Great presentation. I remember the excitement of the 1960s find. Thank you.
Paul & Rebecca - wow this is different! This is an excellent production. Very well done !! Merry Christmas to the Whitewicks ! 🥳 Xx
Thank you, Merry Christmas to you too.
found you this evening in the margin and thought sounds interesting and really enjoyed your video 🙂
A fascinating production. The highlight of my Sunday evenings 🙂
Fascinating! Also very well produced Rebecca, Thank you both.
Loved it; please do more like this (style).
Thank you!
Thank you! Will do!
This is a great production. Well put together and enjoyable for anyone especially if you have fancy for history (like myself). More than happy to see more like this. Thanks.
Many thanks!
Of course before Columbus the Vikings got here. But there is also word that the Irish, Africans, Polynesians and Chinese had found their way to the Americas in antiquity. Not to mention wave upon wave of ice age Siberians 20 or 30 thousand years ago. So ol' Chris was the last to get here.
Of course he was NOT last.
My uncle Johnny went there in 1935!
@@johnnyseagull29 😂 LoL! Did he plant a flag in the middle of Times Square and declare it his own?
There's also a legend about a Welsh prince called Madog who sailed westward in 1170 , returning to Wales to tell of his discovery , he set out once more with thirteen ships - never to be seen again...⛵ 🏴
I was in University in the mid to late 1970s, and was assigned the Vinland map for a research paper in an English class. I learned that it was a forgery, well before 2013.
Read up on Islandic Saga's especially about 'Leif den Lykkelige' and one of his friends 'Bjarni', who found Vinland.
They 'Vikings' went there to find new land, wood for ship building and local fruit, nuts and corn products.
The locals however didn't treat them friendly like after a while, so a few years later it came to war. We lost.
Also the climate then was warmer than today. Maybe Greenland was ice-free during summers and navigable.
The map detailing Greenland suggest that. Also how and when did various plant life cross the Atlantic Ocean?
Rumor has it that the Celts found Vinland before the Vikings, and the Phoenicians before the Celts...
Even hunters in skin kayak's sailing along the Ice-Shelf during the Ice Age have been mentioned.
Soo... Guessing 'Who done it' is the question of the millennia's.
I'm Danish by the way FYI.
This was fantastic. Loved every minute of it.
Thank you.
Good stuff! Glad to see you are branching out!
That was fascinating. Really REALLY fascinating. Thank you so much for a totally new story. 😊
Thanks Pauline
Never knew this. Excellent work. Thanks for posting!
Another fine production Paul. Very informative and interesting.
Many thanks!
I think this is probably one of the best productions you have made. An interesting story, well told and a very noticeable change of direction in style. A really good watch. I love the "mid-50s B-feature" titles too!
Thanks Stephen. I wish youtube agreed.
Brilliant subject. More please!!
Of course, Columbus didn't discover America. He thought he was in INDIA! 🤣 So he didn't discover anything, he was just lost.
Fair!
And he didnt set foot on the mainland. He only went to Cuba. America is named after Amerigo Vespucci (he was the first to show that Brasil and the West Indies was not the East of Asia)
To be fair, being lost and coming across something you didn't expect is a legitimate means of discovery.
@@FACTBOT_5000 Well, sure, but if you don't realize you have discovered something, did you actually discover it?
@@rolferikbaklkk6613both Vespucci and Columbus worked for Spain. Their discovery was essentially Spain's because they funded the whole thing and sailed under the Spanish flag with Spanish crews. Of course the Anglo/Nordicist want to push an anti Columbus narrative.
Wow, such an incredibly high quality video, I am surprised to see such a comparatively low number of subscribers! Keep up the good work Paul, I'm sure you'll blow up soon at this rate.
Thank you! Will do! 😊
Fascinating story. Never heard of this map before . Compelling listening. Thank you Paul for another masterpiece.
Thank you Shirley. Very kind.
Splendid work Rebecca and Paul!
Thank you
Ahhh Sunday is complete now. 😁
Enjoy
Indeed@@timwright5466 You know it will be a good one without watching 😁
I've just discovered your channel and it's a great find. I've come across so many AI generated videos or voices in the past few months that I'm pleasantly surprised when I find a real human, talking from a real human point of view. Just from this one video, I say 'continue on!' You've done a wonderful job.
Even the length of the video is perfect for me.
This seems to be another 'regular' feature seen recently on YT- people are elongating their videos so much all due to the monetising system. It's so shallow and transparent that I generally only open videos that are 20 minutes or less, unless it's a channel I know and trust.
So, thank you for your well-made, researched and narrated documentary.
I haven't looked at your previous videos yet but do you happen to have anything based on the book: 1421 : the year China discovered the world by Gavin Menzies? I gave this book to my dad a decade ago but never got around to reading it myself (and now I can't read anything in such a small print size!).
I think a lot of countries were discovered by many other cultures over time but unless they 'claimed it' (especially as the British did so many times, completely ignoring that there were already people living- for centuries- on that land) and sent people there to colonise it, it didn't seem to register in the history books.
Thanks and welcome to the channel. Generally I cover bits from the UK covering routes... Roads, rails and canals. As you suggest I think the sweet spot is maybe 12 to 16 mins to make it watchable.
Blimey Paul, that was different, educational and fascinating. Yes please, I love all your stuff and I love maps, much to my google weilding childrens chagrin! Keep it coming, fantastic content
I'm glad I found this channel- the renaming will help I think. I wasn't sure about it at first- but I am very picky- yes esoteric in my viewing choices on YT. I have learned some things. Interestingly, the hoax such as it is netted the buyer a great deal of profit in the end. since $3500 in those days was a decent yearly salary. One could build a house for that amount
Top notch video - your best ever I venture, and the others were impressive! You are to be commended and congratulated.
Thanks Jonathan. Very kind.
Great video, really interesting story and excellently produced by "Rebecca's Nest Productions", well done to both of you!!
You have to wonder why it was done and by whom and maybe if they were aware of the norse settlement?
The first chapter of Bil Bryson's book "Made in America" mentions Vinland but with no mention of this map or its authenticity. Interestingly it also tells that the area was well known for its fishing well before John Cabot. Recommended reading.
Have a really great Christmas and a happy New year. Feliz navidad from Spain!!
The Norse sagas of Leif Erickson and Vinland date back to c. 1200, and may well have provided inspiration for the map "authors", even prior to the archaeological excavations.
Very, very nicely done, Paul. Really enjoyed that. Thanks, Chris
Another brilliant video
Merry Christmas and looking forward to your 2024 videos
Let’s have more of these Paul. Great story very well told. How about the Bayeux Tapestry? Who made it, why and where?
I see this and I’m wondering if there will be an abandoned Viking Greenland railway.
There may have been one if the railway was located along the Newfie Bullet line, from L'Anse Meadows. But, there wasn't
Actually Greenland had a number of industrial railways. Including those that served the collieries on Disko Island and the cryolite mine at Invittuut.
Also there were a number of locomotives supplied to various sites around Greenland.
At least one steam locomotive a Henschel worked there as did a number of Ruston-Hornsby diesels. I was told that they were abandoned underground and they entombed when the flooded mine froze up! Also a number of battery electric locomotives were used underground
Paul, you've got the storytelling gene... and the video production gene... etc. Superlative!
Top quality and very informative. Loved it!
Fabulous video again, Paul. Thanks again.
Really enjoyed it. Very interesting
Excellent Paul. You are really getting the hang of this. Well done.
Amazing work! Your production skills are 💯!!!
Thank you 😊
@@pwhitewickwhy are you paying for bot comments mate?
@@martychisnall huh?
On your side of the research pond, Dan Snow is suggesting that 'Vikings' landed on western Newfoundland coast as well.
This one is special,thank you 😊
Very excellent video. So much research done. Great production value!
Thank you.
A really good video, very enjoyable and informative.
Excellent really enjoyed watching very interesting.
Wow this was amazing, set my anxiety off but in a good way ❤
Thanks Vikki
Hello from Canada, where i was taught in elementary school, your primary school, that Vikings had indeed discovered not just Canada at Newfoundland, but that they may sailed further south to Nova Scotia, and as far south as Virginia, where wild grapes, Vineland, grew. This was part of the curriculum, probably until 1973, when the map began to be discredited. Your video outlining issues of authenticity, professional reputation, academic credibility interesting, and professional.
A very interesting story, well presented. Stories of the Vikings traveling to North America predated that map of course. The Kensington Stone, a hoax from the 1890s, purported to show that Vikings made it all the way to Minnesota.
They did make it to Minnesota. Just in the 1800 or so.
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Excellent production, and a very interesting story !
Many thanks!
I nice and interesting departure from your usual material - well done !
Fascinating story! I had never heard about this map before.
I echo what a lot of the comments say. This video is outstanding - ace editting, strong story telling, fine presentation. Top Work Paul.
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That was very good. Well told. Thank you.
Fascinating, thanks Paul
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Excellent video. Great editing and production. Nice one.
Thank you very much!
Brilliant video.... for some reason when you mention Enzo Farrajoli.... in my mind I just replace that with Enzo Ferrari! 😂 But joking aside the production for this video is epic! top notch
Absolutely Superb. Content Production Encore!
I thought that same!
Thank you good job as always. Controversies be damned follow your inclinations where they lead; results don’t lie.
Brilliant video - and all about maps - what's not to like about that!? That must have taken so much work - thanks Paul (and Rebecca's Nest Productions, of course)
It was great , thanks for the variety
Superb ! Thank you. Just the right lenght too
¡ Another good 'un 👍👍👍 ! Fascinating subject, thrilling story, superb production. Sooo, what will it be ? BBC, Amazon, Netflix or perhaps Disney ? Always nice to be able to set your own terms when they're lining up.
Haha... much appreciated Leo
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When I was a child in the 1960s, I read a biography of Leif Erikson which examined the evidence and concluded it was plausible that he had made a trip to North America. There were always people who believed the Vikings found North Americas around 1000 AD, so this map wasn't just invented out of thin air. I'm sure that's part of the reason it was accepted as genuine.
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If you get the chance, L'Anse aux Meadows is a beautiful spot to visit. Remote but Newfoundland is worth visiting anyway. Also for the John Cabot associations (maybe Bristol fishermen had been there beforehand). Certainly more 'American' than Columbus ever got!
There are many who believe that Columbus first heard about the lands to the west from fishermen who'd returned from there.
I could well believe that Columbus had heard of the lands in the north west Atlantic and realised they were not India but maybe some remote eastern edge of China. He wanted to go to India, which he knew was further south than China, so he set off from the Canary Islands.
Columbus never set foot on Mainland North America ... only islands, and later South America ...
I nearly linked to the Parks Canada L'Anse Meadows site, but everyone will have already seen it.
@LeslieGilpinRailways also some say that someone asked the explorers: "Amharica?" - possibly indicating the presence of another group of 'foreigners' long settled there.
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Brilliant quality production. Congratulations. Great stuff.
Thank you. Very kind.
@Paul Whitewik & Rebecca, The new format of videos os fantastic!.. looks great!.. Thanks for sharinfg & all your hard work. I question if colombus was even real only takes 3 generations to forget histroy.
A very well-made video, covering a fascinating history.
Well done!
Very interesting. I was surprised near the end (15:00) by the "Old Indian Settlement" being "the only Norse settlement in North America outside of Greenland"...had to google, and discovered that, yes, Greenland is in North America. Every day's a school day.
Absolutely wonderful. Really enjoyed this. Great work
Thanks Darren
An interesting postscript these many years later as I was just a child of 10 in 1965 and remember how "neat" it was to hear that the Vikings may have traveled to North America. Still there is the question of who made this map and why! Thank you for shining a bit more light on the subject.