I preordered "Death Toll" at my local Magic Shop. I'm a Graveyard player at heart so this kind of Deck just seemed perfect for someone like me, and I definitely will want to look at some upgrades especially the ones you guys recommended. Thanks a bunch, you guys are the best! ^_^
@JamesSamson487 still thinking about my gyrus deck every time some new graveyard strategies...the jund winter card already has a slot set out in disa might swap the commanders too hard to pick. Maybe secret commander or disa as redundant in command zone.
@@JaceHubbard Wurmcoil engine Shigeki, jukai visionary Hermit Druid Not of this world All is dust Buried alive Hedge shredder Tree of tales Vault of whispers Urza’s saga Valgavoth’s Lair Invasion of shandalar Grist, the hunger tide Mindwrack Harpy Ornithopter of Paradise Perennial behemoth Cabal ritual Culling the weak Perpetual timepiece These are some cards to consider may the odds be in your favor
In addition, there are the types you cannot place into your deck: conspiracy, dungeon, phenomenon, plane, scheme, and vanguard. Legendary, Basic, Ongoing, Snow, and World are all supertypes, and thus don't count as types The more you know
@@Ger0nimo76 there are some youtube videos explaining why it's a card type and not a supertype. It's one of those things I understood when I watched it but a week passed and I forgot again...
Baba Lysaga wants really cheap permanents with more than 1 type. Servo tokens, Thopter tokens, Mishra's Factory are the MVPs of that kind of deck. Winter wants the opposite, big bombs to reanimate.
@@thetom341 yeah but drawing 3 cards is great. Even if they're not trying to do the exact same thing, imo it's worth it to sac an insect token and an artifact land to draw 3 cards (plus gain 3 life or whatever else she does)
I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about manipulating the finality counters! Removing the counter allows the permanent to go to the graveyard instead of exile, so they be recurred with Winter's ability again on a later turn. I'm thinking like Thrull Parasite, Power Conduit, Fain the Broker, Hexavus, Hex Parasite, Ferropede, and Etched Slith; four of these being artifact creatures to pull double duty for enabling Delirium as well.
Waste of deck slots in my opinion except for maybe nesting grounds. I’d rather be using those to make sure my deck runs more consistently like some more dedicated recursion spells or tutors that put stuff in the graveyard
@@hyfynorris The bigger a channel gets, the more sponsorships are presented. They do ALOT of production that literally no other MTG channel does, so the money has to come from somewhere to pay their employees. Luckily for you, it's youtube and not TV, so you can happily skip at any time.
Grist actually counts for 2 for delirium, and the cards that care about double type. Yes it’s a planeswalker, but it’s also a creature in the graveyard
NOTE MISTAKES: there are 9 card types not 7 (Creature, artifact, enchantment, land, battle, Planeswalker, kindred, instant, sorcery) you got archenemy edh wrong, it's now 60 life each and the other players have a shared life total (according to Gavin, I haven't read the deck strategy insert so i could be wrong)
I am really glad they kept the naming comvention for the scheme cards. I always loved that they were Villianous Lines. If you say them as they get played, you ARE the villian!
I was expecting a bigger focus on bringing big stuff back from the graveyard. Both from the deck and the upgrade. Why am i jumping through all the hoops of self milling and caring about delirium when i can just ramp with my green deck to cast those 5 and 6 drops? With the suggested upgrades you might as well replace the Commander and the self milling theme entirely.
Have to agree. I think the mill aspect is cool but the payoff has to be worth it. For Winter to be better than just ramping, I should be bringing back Archon of Cruelty, Sandwurm Convergence, Portal to Phyrexia or Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant on turn 5!
It's not a craterhoof effect, it does not give evasion. Saying it's just a craterhoof imprint the "price memory" to be sold as such instead of pointing out the lack of boars evasion wich would pull the price down.
It's important to note the difference between card types and supertypes. Super types never appear alone and include Legendary, Ongoing, Basic, Snow, and World. Card type are battle, conspiracy, creature, dungeon, enchantment, instant, kindred, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, and vanguard. A card referring to a card type will only check for the latter and you should ignore the supertypes.
I think argentum masticore fits perfectly in this Deck. It removes things from your opponents board while putting cards in your graveyard that you want to reanimate. And in addition to that itself has two card types.
Correction, archenemy commander is 60 life for villain and 60 life for the "heroes" (with the heroes life being shared so if any of the heroes takes damage its taken out of their 60 health).
just no lol "Archenemy only: 40 life points Additional scheme deck 20+ card, 2-of limit" all of the heroes act on the same turn, have 20 life, and separate health pools
As far as the decklist goes, its got the lowest reprint value of the ones I've seen the videos for. That being said, the original cards are by far my favorite, and I'm glad I've waited until now to upgrade Coram.
I think at the end of the year it would be cool to see a deck made from cards from precons of the year. Or 4 “precons” of cards from precons of the year.
No Strionic Resonator? triggering Winter twice sounds good to me . also putting in a Nesting ground so I can move the finality counter to my opponent. pre ordered this deck and I'm looking forward too it.
I think you will run out of cards quickly and break your delirium if you let Winter trigger twice. Probably better to instead run some additional recursion pieces.
I'm upgrading this deck by adding red and making Winter, Misanthropic Guide the commander and adding some more recursion and adding some cards that tutor, including my only copy of Vampiric Tutor
I feel the scarecrow flavour missed a beat. Birds don't like scarecrows so something like "as long you control a scarecrow these birds can't attack you" effect would of been more fitting
So ive played this deck. The first thing id put in is more ramp, not a lot because you can cheat costs with reanimation. But the Bello deck and this deck do not feel like they share colors at all lol They new Kindred Changleing sorcery plus Wrenn and Seven is almost certinaly a pop off, and its fun to do. Idk if id try to make that happen, or if I'd go wirh more bugs. Grist as the Lead and Winter as a "card draw" piece. The new Deliriumed Discount Craterhoof was a big dopamine rush. This deck is pretty slow, but this format is more about the second mouse than the early bird imo. Just play your cardboard right, dont reach too far too fast, and pray there's a more threatening Bajuka Bog target lol
No Hermit Druid, Jimmy ? 😇😇😇😁 Extra ideas for more card advantage : phyrexian delver (2 for 1), sepulchral primordial (4 for 1), rune-scarred demon,...
I kinda noticed that the Winter deck has a subtheme for insect so maybe there was an idea that the 3rd potential commander for this deck could have been Grist.
Hurrcane deals damage to all creatures with flying and all players, it's an X spell, so you can just give out birds with the backup commander then save hurricane until you are 1v1 then kill all the birds, hopefully you have more life than they do, so you might take them out too.
I‘d like to mention one of the imo most obvious cards for upgrading this deck: Syr Konrad. He‘s probably one of the most powerful cards you could combine with Winter because Winter says you can exile ANY number of cards with four or more card types among them. So fill your graveyard fast (Dredge will do the job perfectly) while having Syr Konrad on the battlefield as soon as possible and then just exile all your creatures from there with Winter. While reanimating something with Winter you‘re probably kicking out one or two players at once. At this point, you don‘t even need to bother about these annoying finality counters. I was very underwhelmed when I saw Winter the first time… Now Death Toll is probably the precon I‘m most exited for. Always wanted a great selfmill commander and he‘s perfect for that!
A doubt: "kindred" is another type card? Like enchantment, artifact, creature, battle, etc....or is it a subtype? I ask this because of commanders like Winter and Disa and her lurgoyfs that care about different card types
Really wish they'd stop putting Burnished Heart in pre-cons. Instead, make a new card that's a true colorless Kodama's Reach. 6 for 2 tapped mana is just bad.
Do I have to exile delirium enablers (forcing me to refill the graveyard to be exiled again) to reanimate a permanent that will be exiled if it's destroyed? Underwhelming.
What do you think about this deck? Are you excited about it? What new cards slot in perfectly to your existing commander decks?
Mostly cards to add to disa jund
Deluge is perfect for
@@abrahammarrero4930 I was thinking the same thing but for the Jund Winter card. Still cares about delirum & has ward (2).
I preordered "Death Toll" at my local Magic Shop. I'm a Graveyard player at heart so this kind of Deck just seemed perfect for someone like me, and I definitely will want to look at some upgrades especially the ones you guys recommended. Thanks a bunch, you guys are the best! ^_^
@JamesSamson487 still thinking about my gyrus deck every time some new graveyard strategies...the jund winter card already has a slot set out in disa might swap the commanders too hard to pick. Maybe secret commander or disa as redundant in command zone.
@@JaceHubbard
Wurmcoil engine
Shigeki, jukai visionary
Hermit Druid
Not of this world
All is dust
Buried alive
Hedge shredder
Tree of tales
Vault of whispers
Urza’s saga
Valgavoth’s Lair
Invasion of shandalar
Grist, the hunger tide
Mindwrack Harpy
Ornithopter of Paradise
Perennial behemoth
Cabal ritual
Culling the weak
Perpetual timepiece
These are some cards to consider may the odds be in your favor
Creature, artifact, instant, sorcery, enchantment, planeswalker, land, battle, kindred/tribal.
Nine card types.
Didn’t know kindred was considered a card type, thank you for the clarification
only reason I know this off the top of my head is that I have the Goyf Deck from MH3
@@benjaminwoods126 i have it too 😂 thought kindred was a supertype like legendary
In addition, there are the types you cannot place into your deck: conspiracy, dungeon, phenomenon, plane, scheme, and vanguard.
Legendary, Basic, Ongoing, Snow, and World are all supertypes, and thus don't count as types
The more you know
@@Ger0nimo76 there are some youtube videos explaining why it's a card type and not a supertype. It's one of those things I understood when I watched it but a week passed and I forgot again...
They did announce that Commander Archenemy should be 60 life for the archenemy, and a shared 60-life point total for the other 3.
Yes. Yes they did. So anyways I'ma build my Nicolas deck now
ANOTHER GOOD LEGENDARY SCARECROW, I AM A HAPPY MAN
(I Just) Died in your Arms I can confirm was released in 1986. A true 80s banger
Baba Lysaga would work really well probably. It also cares about card types.
Baba Lysaga wants really cheap permanents with more than 1 type. Servo tokens, Thopter tokens, Mishra's Factory are the MVPs of that kind of deck. Winter wants the opposite, big bombs to reanimate.
@@thetom341 yeah but drawing 3 cards is great. Even if they're not trying to do the exact same thing, imo it's worth it to sac an insect token and an artifact land to draw 3 cards (plus gain 3 life or whatever else she does)
The scarecrow commander is such a cool idear!
Obviously i will only run scarecrow artifact creatures in the deck^^
.... and a massacre worm
Run Maha for shingles with the Wurm
I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about manipulating the finality counters!
Removing the counter allows the permanent to go to the graveyard instead of exile, so they be recurred with Winter's ability again on a later turn. I'm thinking like Thrull Parasite, Power Conduit, Fain the Broker, Hexavus, Hex Parasite, Ferropede, and Etched Slith; four of these being artifact creatures to pull double duty for enabling Delirium as well.
I know it's a land, but Nesting ground is great for that too
Waste of deck slots in my opinion except for maybe nesting grounds. I’d rather be using those to make sure my deck runs more consistently like some more dedicated recursion spells or tutors that put stuff in the graveyard
Those are great suggestions, I specially like Hex Parasite, Fain the Broker and Ferropede.
@@ethanmitchelsoni mean yea. You can throw those in too
Skip to 7:00 to get past all the ADs and fluff
MVP my friend
The amount of it is really getting out of hand
What a chad. I salute u o7
@@hyfynorris The bigger a channel gets, the more sponsorships are presented. They do ALOT of production that literally no other MTG channel does, so the money has to come from somewhere to pay their employees. Luckily for you, it's youtube and not TV, so you can happily skip at any time.
We got Dryad Arbor in a precon before GTA 6
you gonna get a hell of a lot more than just that before that shitty ass game will actually come out. also this joke has gotten beyond stale.
Old Rutstein and Victimize seems really good from a low budget perspective, aswell
I absolutely love when Josh and Jimmy sing! It's such a classic thing, please never let that die!
Grist actually counts for 2 for delirium, and the cards that care about double type. Yes it’s a planeswalker, but it’s also a creature in the graveyard
yep thats why it was in this and the goyf deck
And also technically could be the commander of this deck ;) So you have 3 options!
@@TommyThwack true indeed!
Slight clarification that Grist is actually a creature while in the graveyard
He's a creature everywhere but the battlefield. Hand, library, CZ, and even exile.
it's still a planeswalker too though
@ayylith correct! "in addition"
NOTE MISTAKES:
there are 9 card types not 7
(Creature, artifact, enchantment, land, battle, Planeswalker, kindred, instant, sorcery)
you got archenemy edh wrong, it's now 60 life each and the other players have a shared life total (according to Gavin, I haven't read the deck strategy insert so i could be wrong)
I am really glad they kept the naming comvention for the scheme cards. I always loved that they were Villianous Lines.
If you say them as they get played, you ARE the villian!
I was expecting a bigger focus on bringing big stuff back from the graveyard. Both from the deck and the upgrade. Why am i jumping through all the hoops of self milling and caring about delirium when i can just ramp with my green deck to cast those 5 and 6 drops? With the suggested upgrades you might as well replace the Commander and the self milling theme entirely.
Have to agree. I think the mill aspect is cool but the payoff has to be worth it. For Winter to be better than just ramping, I should be bringing back Archon of Cruelty, Sandwurm Convergence, Portal to Phyrexia or Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant on turn 5!
The point you’re making is that winter just isn’t a very good commander, but the point of this video is to build a deck around winter
It's not a craterhoof effect, it does not give evasion. Saying it's just a craterhoof imprint the "price memory" to be sold as such instead of pointing out the lack of boars evasion wich would pull the price down.
Hyped for the whip of Erebos reprint need that in at least 2 of my decks but it was always so pricey!
It's important to note the difference between card types and supertypes. Super types never appear alone and include Legendary, Ongoing, Basic, Snow, and World. Card type are battle, conspiracy, creature, dungeon, enchantment, instant, kindred, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, and vanguard. A card referring to a card type will only check for the latter and you should ignore the supertypes.
I was in the neighborhood looking for a deck like this, it looks so fun! I'm glad I pre-ordered it the moment it was available.
I think argentum masticore fits perfectly in this Deck. It removes things from your opponents board while putting cards in your graveyard that you want to reanimate. And in addition to that itself has two card types.
yo this deck list be bussin! I'm very impressed with the precons from this set from what has been revealed.
I'm so excited for this deck 🎉🎉🎉
I just woke up at 6am (uk time) to travel to my new job (hour bus journey). I am tired. 0:53. This is what I needed.
Correction, archenemy commander is 60 life for villain and 60 life for the "heroes" (with the heroes life being shared so if any of the heroes takes damage its taken out of their 60 health).
just no lol
"Archenemy only:
40 life points
Additional scheme deck
20+ card, 2-of limit"
all of the heroes act on the same turn, have 20 life, and separate health pools
@@dinen5000Those are the rules for the original Archenemy. Archenemy:Commander released new rules (the OP was correct).
"Raise your hand if you've seen this card" for Amzu? Hi, I'm raising my hand because I have an Amzu deck. Fantastic reprint for this deck!
When command zone enters, it becomes a banger.
Seriously, they didn't put the slow/fast lands in. Deathcap Glade desperately needed a reprint.
Only simic gets better lands sometimes (only colors to get a bond land and a slow land reprint)
It would be great to see how the additions and takeaways affect the stats. Great show as always.
Probably one of the best intros yet!!!!!
Cutting Crew’s Died In Your Arms is indeed an 80s song
Video starts at 5:20
Glissa Sunslayer is fun in the 99 for any Golgari deck and can help manipulate the finality counters for the precon👌
I’m definitely getting this tribal deck.
The deck is so cool it’s close to my own Ishkanah deck! I’m impressed.
Loving the new Demon support for my Raphael deck!
Giant Apendage!! The debut of Ladee Danger on the channel!
I’m excited for Rendmaw, fun build around looking for things that care about 2 or more card types and gifting your opponents stuff :) rofl
As far as the decklist goes, its got the lowest reprint value of the ones I've seen the videos for. That being said, the original cards are by far my favorite, and I'm glad I've waited until now to upgrade Coram.
I remember that Giant Adephage episode 😂
That giant appendage part of that episode was crazy and Jimmy made some interesting decisions😅
Interesting how so?
Amzu is my insect pet deck!! So glad she’s getting more love.
This, and the esper, decks, are the best for me. I preordered all of them though.
This feels like the one of the four decks that will get left on the shelves. There is always one.
It wont't because it is golgari and has decent value. But it is a lazy and sloppy design. It will be bought to scrap mostly I guess
@@maxbodifee3263 It would be between this and the Esper deck.
Grist is interesting because she’s also an insect creature in the graveyard in addition to a planeswalker.
I think at the end of the year it would be cool to see a deck made from cards from precons of the year. Or 4 “precons” of cards from precons of the year.
a jimmy and josh podcast?! YES
No Strionic Resonator? triggering Winter twice sounds good to me . also putting in a Nesting ground so I can move the finality counter to my opponent. pre ordered this deck and I'm looking forward too it.
I think you will run out of cards quickly and break your delirium if you let Winter trigger twice. Probably better to instead run some additional recursion pieces.
300.1. The card types are artifact, battle, conspiracy, creature, dungeon, enchantment, instant, kindred, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, and vanguard.
ANOTHER BANGER!
Paused video to come down and comment on the reference to the Giant Appendage. Debut of Ladee Danger as well I believe.
Honestly thought we would get a reprint of Pharika, because of all the enchantments and it seems like there's a God in every deck. :')
I'm upgrading this deck by adding red and making Winter, Misanthropic Guide the commander and adding some more recursion and adding some cards that tutor, including my only copy of Vampiric Tutor
i love this format of video stay with it pls
I feel the scarecrow flavour missed a beat. Birds don't like scarecrows so something like "as long you control a scarecrow these birds can't attack you" effect would of been more fitting
Isn't that what goad implies?
The goad flavour is pretty on-point IMO
Yea goad is very on point, they are flying away from you, and staying away from you.
Time to put Rest in Peace in decks again 😂
Rendmaw seems really fun. I think I might finally have a golgari commander.
So ive played this deck. The first thing id put in is more ramp, not a lot because you can cheat costs with reanimation. But the Bello deck and this deck do not feel like they share colors at all lol
They new Kindred Changleing sorcery plus Wrenn and Seven is almost certinaly a pop off, and its fun to do.
Idk if id try to make that happen, or if I'd go wirh more bugs. Grist as the Lead and Winter as a "card draw" piece. The new Deliriumed Discount Craterhoof was a big dopamine rush.
This deck is pretty slow, but this format is more about the second mouse than the early bird imo. Just play your cardboard right, dont reach too far too fast, and pray there's a more threatening Bajuka Bog target lol
I used to hate the singing…. Now its my fav part😅
No Hermit Druid, Jimmy ? 😇😇😇😁 Extra ideas for more card advantage : phyrexian delver (2 for 1), sepulchral primordial (4 for 1), rune-scarred demon,...
Rest in peace is back on the menu boys
I kinda noticed that the Winter deck has a subtheme for insect so maybe there was an idea that the 3rd potential commander for this deck could have been Grist.
There's also the new golgari bug legend in the main set so a possible inset upgrade option
You had me at ba-ba-ba
It is the Sizzler!!
Shigeki is being printed in the main set for duskmourn so it will drop in price too (not expensive anyhow though)
Yay Josh is on!
You can also trick people using Dryad Arbor.
Literal and unironic 6 mins of ads built into the start of the video.
At least it's segmented so you can skip it all
Kinda wild that UA-cam charges you to get no ads and now all the content creators have ads in their actual shows….
PleasantKenobi's precon coverage was fantastic and engaging if you haven't seen that yet
I’m happy for the new skip segment feature. Don’t need to watch the ads + the guys get their bread
They got bills to pay just skip it if you want lol
If I ever got the chance to hangout with Josh and Jimmy, I'd wanna do karaoke with them.
Feel like hornet queen sneaks into any green deck. Is a fun card tbh.
This set looks cool but I’m not ready to leave Bloomburrow so ima stick around there for a while 😆
Hurrcane deals damage to all creatures with flying and all players, it's an X spell, so you can just give out birds with the backup commander then save hurricane until you are 1v1 then kill all the birds, hopefully you have more life than they do, so you might take them out too.
anyone else think rooms would have been a really cool card type in mkm ?
into the pit looks crazy
I‘d like to mention one of the imo most obvious cards for upgrading this deck: Syr Konrad. He‘s probably one of the most powerful cards you could combine with Winter because Winter says you can exile ANY number of cards with four or more card types among them. So fill your graveyard fast (Dredge will do the job perfectly) while having Syr Konrad on the battlefield as soon as possible and then just exile all your creatures from there with Winter. While reanimating something with Winter you‘re probably kicking out one or two players at once. At this point, you don‘t even need to bother about these annoying finality counters.
I was very underwhelmed when I saw Winter the first time… Now Death Toll is probably the precon I‘m most exited for. Always wanted a great selfmill commander and he‘s perfect for that!
And it come with whip in it so that 3 life if it's out too
Shifting Woodland would also be a good upgrade card.
A doubt: "kindred" is another type card? Like enchantment, artifact, creature, battle, etc....or is it a subtype? I ask this because of commanders like Winter and Disa and her lurgoyfs that care about different card types
Kindred is a card type that would be recognized by lhurgoyfs.
They changed arch nemesis, y'all said 3 ppl with 20 life vs 1 with 40. Now it is just 60 vs 60
Really wish they'd stop putting Burnished Heart in pre-cons. Instead, make a new card that's a true colorless Kodama's Reach. 6 for 2 tapped mana is just bad.
Best case scenario here: it's 2 card types to reanimate something better when milled.
@dyciefisk2535 just a wasted card at that point. Just proves the point that Burnished Heart is a bad card they need to stop printing.
Bramble familiar would also be good 👍
ik this is completely unrelated but i think one of u guys should make a nihiloor deck u proabably have never heard of it but its a pretty cool card
Missed opportunity for the song to be For Whom the Bell Tolls by Metallica for the intro.
Do I have to exile delirium enablers (forcing me to refill the graveyard to be exiled again) to reanimate a permanent that will be exiled if it's destroyed? Underwhelming.
Grist also counts as 2 card types
Seems pretty Golgari there lads!
How does the room work with the commanders ability? Do you get to choose the room?
Does anyone know if its possible to buy the scheme cards of this set as a bundle somewhere?
Be wary of adding conoptek scarab swarm; it does not count creatures, only artifacts and lands.
Would be awesome if you get Wubby Magic Monday for the next game knights episode
I think Renmaw and Baba Lysaga are going to be best friends.
Disa's going to be eating well
BANGER opening
This has some really good cards in it and is also the cheapest deck from the set, so I just preordered it for parts.
I’m so excited
Honey get up! New Command Zone episode just dropped!
Going to mash this deck with my Grismold enchantress deck.
Yeah of the precons for me are only the rakdos and simic one kinda exciting ... 😢
They got me with the simic ... Now what do i do with the rest😅
Are there non-player Archenemy variants? I vaguely remember playing this way a decade or so ago
Deck seems kind of week but i am happy for the reanimate reprint.