The most amazing thing happened the other day on UA-cam for me, I replied to a comment and typed without malice to correct a person, the guy responded back without anger and that really made my day and gave me hope for people on the internet
I like the internet just the way it is. I think it's good for it to have both positivity and negativity. They both empower the users, no matter what their goal is.
It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, you will offend someone. If you do manage to say something that doesn't offend someone, it's likely not worth discussing anyways.
*slow clap into applause* Keep this stuff coming man. You truly are a man of thought. Never a dull or disappointing moment when it comes to your choice of material.
+Jack Sampson yeah I'm sure he came from a background of graphic design and still does it on the side of these videos and things... or the other way round, and these videos are the side.
I was born a year before Satch, and thinking about internet "etiquette" is such a weird thing for me to get my head around. So much of it has been "lawless" for so long, trying to reign in the chaos seems like a daunting task. I hope this or something like this starts catching on.
I have no doubt that it is. The internet has it's own "language" just like any other form of media or out there."What's the best way to express myself with books/movies/anime/videogames/twitter/facebook/music/etc to infinity". Each one of those has a different answer. Each one of us also has a different answer for each of those questions too. So you have a form of transferring information, not even 30 years old (depending if you think the internet was the World Wide Web), with so many different "platforms" still emerging and dying and changing and lasting with different ways to "talk", it's not wonder there is friction. But we also, very much have to remember that the internet isn't separate from the "real world". All the crap that we throw at each other, we brought from the outside. It's a complicated issue.
Great video quality as always. I take issue with the second self-question though. One of the current problems on the internet is pepole speaking out for "other people who need a voice". The internet censors no one, there is no such thing as "someone who needs a voice", and people often feel that they have the power to give those inexistent groups a voice without being part of such groups. Speak for yourself and for people you care about, and let others defend themselves. They're intelligent beings just like you
I feel that he simply means someone who is being ignored or possibly the target of an attack. Perhaps defending someone in a respectful way is what he's saying? I imagine it's harder to make your point when you are the one being attacked than for someone who is on the sidelines?
Matthew Roop yeah, that's a fair point, it can be harder to argue when you're the target (even though it's the opposite for some people). However, I think you have to recognize when you're clarifying or adding to a conversation and when you're just white knighting away just because it feels good to be right. I still would default on not meddling, I just give others the benefit of the doubt and assume that they too have the use of reason until proven otherwise. But maybe that's just me avoiding unnecessary confrontations
I agree with this as a generality. I think there are people who need a voice who is able to speak reasonably on their behalf, but I don't trust the general public to be able to discern whom those people would be.
This is good. I like this direction you're taking. It's not a subject mentioned often, but it's a useful resource for your viewers. Satch, I am always encouraged by your videos and your analysis.
This is the video i think the worlds needs to be watching right now. So many people get beat up over their opinions and thoughts, but what we really need is to come together and enjoy life online as well as offline :3 Thank you Satch.
Satch, you rock. I always looks forward to your videos. They are lovely to watch, easy to listen to, and I always leave just a little bit smarter. Thanks a ton.
It is a very common style. Flat motion graphics are preeetty popular right know. They're definitely pretty, but it does make it hard for them to stand out and be told apart from each other.
This is really important. I hope that keeping in mind considerations like this can help me to improve my little corner of the internet. If everyone is working at this, there's so much potential.
people should be obligated to like this video not only for the incremental observant clarity it represents but the visual curation. bravo man. the art in this video must have been no small task and I think everyone appreciates your eye for such things. your a graphic designer and it shows in everything you do. your appreciation for aesthetics should be applauded. good shit.
youre watching a satch bag video and you expect something different? the naivety of your hubris percolates my humor reflex. how decadently fallacious. ohhohohohohohoho. now drissel hot chocolate all over my naked visage you philistine
It's the classic dispute between the liberties of the individual versus the outcome of the community at large. Nobody wants to be silenced or told how to talk, but when people feel the social pressure to be as emotionally engaged as their peers, the result is a negative experience for everyone. Like VirgateSpy mentioned in the comments, this suggestion of "is it necessary, is it helpful, is it kind" is what we've been taught since we were kids, but no one seems to have a problem with it until it's suggested towards adults. It's good advice, but we fear of the possibility of it being somehow strictly enforced on us.
Satch I don't ever listen to philosophical debates, they irritate me, it's a bunch of empty speech, but I always enjoy it when you speak. It's thought out, informed and comes from a logical spot instead of an emotional one. It's enjoyable.
Mmm... Good video, Satch. I think it's worthwhile to ask those questions of oneself before posting any kind of response, and I'm guilty of not doing so at times.
So what? Twitter is like Tumblr now? Everyone's getting offended? Why can't we just type and post? If someone gets offended by something you say without offence, that just means they are in a negative mind set anyway, meaning that no matter what you would say, you will just get in an argument down the chain anyway. And who is to say all arguments are bad? You might learn something by the end.
+ThatBugBehindYou I don't actually think the part about being nice isn't about offending someone but to win over. like how one would give a friends opinion attention more then someone one despise like a bully or a annoying classmate for example. And maybe you aren't the one satch is trying to reach out with this video if what you are saying is true. if you write something without focus on offending someone then you probably already in the guidelines of MMM.
+ThatBugBehindYou I was once told that it's not confrontation that gets you into trouble, but combat. Want to get all emotional about a serious conversation piece and hit Post so you feel better? Sure, go ahead. Keep in mind your post might not have the context needed to win people over. Your words will be no closer to getting the point across than never typing at all(and boyyyy- as someone who used to engage in those crazy Tumblr ess jay dub antics years ago this goes double). If all else fails, don't be a dick. That kinda helps.
+ThatBugBehindYou I think the problem is (more or less) that people are irresponsible about it. In a medium that is restricted enough as it is, it is hard to convey certain ideas. Twitter may not be the place for debates and whatnot, but it doesn't stop people from using it. You can post whatever you'd like. Fine, but most people say whatever is on their mind without thinking and believe that "freedom of speech" absolves them from any consequences (good or bad). This is just my two cents, but I think all he is saying is (do your best to) be mindful. Don't let your thumbs do the thinking. People will see you being the better person if you act as the better person.
+1NameGoesHere Hosnetly these days this might not still be true, a lot of times you might be attacked simply for sharing an opinion, society is turning into this weird illogical thing where it's more important to make people feel accommodated and comfortable than to make them informed and knowledgeable.
This is the main reason why I barely speak on Twitter. It is useful to see what's going on, but I cannot give my opinion in just 140 characters, I need a lot more than that. I really hope we get those 10000 characters to speak, I would really use them the same way I can speak freely here on UA-cam.
This reminds me too much of the "is it necessary, is it helpful is it kind" thing for me to actually take it seriously... I just end up cringing instead.
+VirgateSpy Lol, it's basically the same thing. If that's too "friendly" for you, try the phrase "calm, clear, concise." They'll probably still take it the wrong way no matter how nice you make it, so just try not to LOOK like you threw the first stone and then swing away when they get mad.
VirgateSpy I disagree. First of all, excluding the weakest common denominator from every Internet conversation by intoxicating or convoluting the discussion is impractical and unproductive because if you're not changing the minds or actions of yourself or others, you're not really doing anything. Second, calmly making consumable statements that make an agreeable point from a different point of view has the potential of positively influencing the opinions of people you previously considered opponents. Of course, not everyone benefits or even deserves such respect either way. It's not like it's an ethical law of the universe, obviously. A lot of people simply want to argue, to fight -- not exchange ideas. I'm not above fighting back sometimes just for fun.
+Ragnar Earthwarden No one is talking about excluding the weakest common denominator, but holding everyone else back for the sake of it makes no sense. That's the beauty of the internet and freedom, you can choose where from and what you want to absorb from it. Also restricting the exchange of certain ideas is nothing sort of backwards, humanity only got where it is now because of huge diversity and how more and more said diverse thoughts were liberated and tolerated.
+Ragnar Earthwarden Also "necessary, helpful and kind" does not in any way translate to "calm, clear and concise" those are independent from each other in every angle you look at it, as you can have any combination of those 6 and it could form a plausible statement.
This is fine advice for people who believe hostility is a bad thing or an accidental byproduct of their discourse. They think it's an effective tool. They are also mistaken.
An interesting, logical, and well thought out video! One problem though, people arn't logical and neither are there emotions. For that soul reason I see true unification on the internet as unobtainable.
Great video, as previously stated. Would you say that MMM could be used in casual conversation? I feel like it works perfectly on social media outlets like you stated, but I have an inkling that MMM would work for a random chat with an acquaintance. Would like to know your thoughts.
Also, maybe people can think first before attacking people in comments on UA-cam (and any other place) just because someone's opinion opposes the host or others. The simplistic form of this being when people are called "fan boys"
I was born in 1984 and I share your opinion of the internet being a place where people can share ideas, information, etc. But I think that is the same reason I keep but barely use my Facebook account. It is a way, (albeit a half-hearted way, but a way nonetheless) to keep in touch with people I might otherwise lose to the annals of time. I don't think of it so much as a suburb, but almost a quarantine.
This is kind of the reason why I don't use Twitter that often, but you do bring up a good point Satch. I'm more comfortable in Facebook b/c I'm with people I know I can be with nicely, and Twitter is just too full of egocentric trolls. I am though, trying to get more comfy with Twitter's limited word out.
Interesting video, I just fail to see how facebook and twitter are so different. In layout and function sure but with Twitter you still create your "front yard" and "wall" as you described. You choose who to follow and tailor the experience to yourself. I can see what you say but you might not be following me and therefore not see what I say so doesn't that make it even more confined than facebook?
+rawblink Well I think you can make your Twitter profile private, but generally it's very open and you can take part in conversations that are going on between people you don't even know. The whole hashtag thing started on Twitter as a way for people to sort of throw their own two cents about something out there, and create a topic of discussion. Facebook does have hashtags, but your profile is closed to everyone except people you confirm as friends unlike Twitter's follow system which is more public.
I guess that's a different way of looking at it. And that is true. On Twitter you just follow who ever you want. On facebook it's a two way street. Both parties have to acknowledge being "friended."
Yeah. To some extent it's two sides of the same coins, it's still two different ways for the same society to express itself. Twitter feels more open though. You are always subject to public scrutiny since everything can be seen by everyone. I definitely get what you meant though. People like surrounding themselves with likeminded people, and despite having the whole worlds knowledge at the tip of your fingers a lot of people only choose to 'follow' people they agree with. A lot of people do end up creating their own social sphere on Twitter where they only really read the opinions of people who agree with you. It's really sad actually, Twitter has so much promise as a tool for free speech but so many people use it as an echo chamber to find justification for their own opinions. This is why I drink...
In order to speak out for people, you may need to simultaneously speak out against others. In fact, I find that is the case in most, if not, all situations.
I think there's still a distinction, though, in regards to whether or not one or the other is your motivation. If you're motivated by the opportunity to give a voice to the voiceless, then perhaps it makes the most sense to do so with respect for those that you circumstantially end up speaking against, recognizing that those who seemingly oppose you may be fueled by their own motivations that they consider good or noble from their own perspective, given their own beliefs or convictions.
+Artsy Omni I agree, I think it's all about the motivation. Are you arguing with someone in order to bring them down, or is it to raise someone else up? You may be able to do both simultaneously, but if you're emotionally prioritizing tearing the opposing argument down, then you might be losing sight of what's important. This is particularly important in my opinion with arguments regarding concepts of social justice and equality.
Right on the money. More than not, people post about critical issues on social media out of anger and need for attention, not out of personal investment. It's just a noisy firestorm. I haven't posted anything on my facebook or twitter page since I personally started following this principle. I guess I still post dumb stuff here on youtube though, so I can still do better.
I really like the message a lot, but the visual style and tone sounds kinda...corporate? Just feels weird seeing this on the same channel as a lot of your other video essays. Still, glad to have you back making videos again, dude!
Agreed that we should be more sensitive. I also think a large portion of the issues with discourse on Social Media are caused by the experience design of these platforms. Thoughts?
I don't really use my twitter, for the very reason that speech is limited. I do check in on my favorite twitter accounts from time to time for content however I hardly ever post anything. I liked the infographic though, very well done.
Would you ever make a video on inspiration? This has always been a problem for me. I'd be working on a short story or world build and I always hit this wall. I feel it coming. I'm running out of ideas. And I don't know what else I can add. But I need that mysterious thing, because if I don't the story feels incomplete.
Good recommendations and perspective on this topic. My only issue is relating globalization to empowerment as it does the opposite for many communities around the world.
I miss the use of forums. They were more categorized and a little more walled than twitter, allowed for longer digressions and more in-depth topics, did not segregate spaces into ego-controlled domains like Facebook pages, and were easier to moderate. Disqus threads may be the closest we have in the modern sense of the open seas of the internet.
I wonder what you would think of tumblr. I like twitter okay, but as you mention it's very limited. Tumblr focuses even more on the conversation, rather than the person. But there isn't a character limit, giving people a chance to really get into an issue rather than just deliever a one liner on a situation that may be very complex. They could probably benefit from these guidelines as well.
First things first, there's not such a thing as "the brevity of the internet", unless of course you're defining twitter as the internet. Also, twitter is an awful platform to have any kind of meaningful conversation, because its the only place where brevity is enforced. Maybe the title should've been "How to speak on twitter", Anyway back on topic. I see no purpose to such specific questions unless you're only talking about discussions around justice issues, in which case I'd say only the first one might be relevant, because if what you're saying is honest and lacks malicious intent, then there's no reason not to say it.
Satch invoking Mike. Internet worlds collide..... Yes, perhaps there's something to your assessment of Facebook. But, it's also very valuable for me, as someone with anxiety and panic disorders, to curate my experience from Twitter's free for all. My experience on twitter is that what's expected is a take-all-comers-free-for-all of rhetorical smackdowns that look a lot like abuse. On facebook, I'm able to set myself up with the 12 people who I know, value, and do not see very often. Yeah, only 12 people, and all people I know offline. This means that we're not throwing shade all the time, and taking the time to speak in a respectful, measured manner. I use it to keep in touch with the people I really DO want to stay in touch with. It helps to keep incoming communication respectful, and it also means I have to restrain my own combative inclinations. I can't cast the broad net I did on social media a few years ago. I try instead to focus on those connections which are truly meaningful to me. So, perhaps that's a suburb. I think of it more as a small town in the country where everybody knows each other and manages to keep civil ties even through disagreements because we share a small community.
While this is applicable to a lot of postings about political discourse, MMM isn't a one size fits all guideline. For example, what if speaking out for someone also includes speaking out against someone, or if you want to back up a claim by providing an example as a person so you aren't guilty of a straw man fallacy? And if you're part of a marginalized group, what if you have to speak out for yourself against someone directly antagonizing you? Ad Hominem attacks have lately been the bread and butter of online arguments and people often try to undermine your position by undermining your person. I also feel like the last question is a little watered down. I understand it means to say "Are you regurgitating an opinion from a group of people who share a self-ascribed label or is this something you genuinely believe in yourself?" but it sort of comes off as sounding like you're discouraging posting thoughts that sound like people who agree with you, which is silly because you would have ascribed yourself that label because those people are like minded, ie you wouldn't call yourself a feminist if you didn't mostly agree with the opinions, leanings and ideologies of feminism.
"Before you tweet, MMM." Most copacetic thing ever said, right there.
The most amazing thing happened the other day on UA-cam for me, I replied to a comment and typed without malice to correct a person, the guy responded back without anger and that really made my day and gave me hope for people on the internet
+tin08290 I want to sarcastically troll you just to prove you wrong, but I don't have it in me... The evil has been vanquished from my feeble heart.
Damn it Satch, I was gonna leave a snarky comment about the accidental version you uploaded but then I remembered MMM
I like the internet just the way it is. I think it's good for it to have both positivity and negativity. They both empower the users, no matter what their goal is.
Thanks dad
\ml/ copacetic
It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, you will offend someone. If you do manage to say something that doesn't offend someone, it's likely not worth discussing anyways.
YES IT IS! #TRIGGERED (sarcasm)
*slow clap into applause*
Keep this stuff coming man. You truly are a man of thought. Never a dull or disappointing moment when it comes to your choice of material.
This is slick as hell my friend. Who did the animations and motion graphics for this? You? God damn.
It wouldnt surprise me if he did them himself, I believe he is super into graphic design.
hey its the goosebumps voice guy
+Chad Quandt (QuandtumTheory) miss your face Chad.
+Jack Sampson yeah I'm sure he came from a background of graphic design and still does it on the side of these videos and things... or the other way round, and these videos are the side.
I was born a year before Satch, and thinking about internet "etiquette" is such a weird thing for me to get my head around. So much of it has been "lawless" for so long, trying to reign in the chaos seems like a daunting task. I hope this or something like this starts catching on.
I have no doubt that it is. The internet has it's own "language" just like any other form of media or out there."What's the best way to express myself with books/movies/anime/videogames/twitter/facebook/music/etc to infinity". Each one of those has a different answer. Each one of us also has a different answer for each of those questions too. So you have a form of transferring information, not even 30 years old (depending if you think the internet was the World Wide Web), with so many different "platforms" still emerging and dying and changing and lasting with different ways to "talk", it's not wonder there is friction. But we also, very much have to remember that the internet isn't separate from the "real world". All the crap that we throw at each other, we brought from the outside. It's a complicated issue.
saying "mmm" like a word in the middle of a sentence is really funny to me
MMM that's some good shit right there MMM
Great video quality as always. I take issue with the second self-question though. One of the current problems on the internet is pepole speaking out for "other people who need a voice". The internet censors no one, there is no such thing as "someone who needs a voice", and people often feel that they have the power to give those inexistent groups a voice without being part of such groups. Speak for yourself and for people you care about, and let others defend themselves. They're intelligent beings just like you
I feel that he simply means someone who is being ignored or possibly the target of an attack. Perhaps defending someone in a respectful way is what he's saying? I imagine it's harder to make your point when you are the one being attacked than for someone who is on the sidelines?
Matthew Roop yeah, that's a fair point, it can be harder to argue when you're the target (even though it's the opposite for some people). However, I think you have to recognize when you're clarifying or adding to a conversation and when you're just white knighting away just because it feels good to be right. I still would default on not meddling, I just give others the benefit of the doubt and assume that they too have the use of reason until proven otherwise. But maybe that's just me avoiding unnecessary confrontations
I agree with this as a generality. I think there are people who need a voice who is able to speak reasonably on their behalf, but I don't trust the general public to be able to discern whom those people would be.
This is good. I like this direction you're taking. It's not a subject mentioned often, but it's a useful resource for your viewers. Satch, I am always encouraged by your videos and your analysis.
Damn I hope this goes viral
there's no memes here
MMM, thanks dude.
Good luck applying this to an anonymous imageboard like 4chan.
"mmm" sounds like someones is trying to say something but they get gagged or something.
This video is fantastic, man. Did you do all that animation yourself?? It's so nice and smooth! Hope this video blows up, it deserves it.
This is the video i think the worlds needs to be watching right now. So many people get beat up over their opinions and thoughts, but what we really need is to come together and enjoy life online as well as offline :3
Thank you Satch.
Satch, you rock. I always looks forward to your videos. They are lovely to watch, easy to listen to, and I always leave just a little bit smarter. Thanks a ton.
Is the animator of this video the guy from Kurzgesagt?
+Kriso de la Erikejo I thought the same thing.
+Kriso de la Erikejo Pretty sure Satch hand makes everything in these videos minus the music.
It is a very common style. Flat motion graphics are preeetty popular right know. They're definitely pretty, but it does make it hard for them to stand out and be told apart from each other.
This is really important. I hope that keeping in mind considerations like this can help me to improve my little corner of the internet. If everyone is working at this, there's so much potential.
Seeing you pop up on GWJ, seeing Hank Green link to you, seeing you link to Science Mike. My world is coming together in the best ways right now.
people should be obligated to like this video not only for the incremental observant clarity it represents but the visual curation. bravo man. the art in this video must have been no small task and I think everyone appreciates your eye for such things. your a graphic designer and it shows in everything you do. your appreciation for aesthetics should be applauded. good shit.
+SLOTH I like to use big words so people think I'm photosynthesis.
youre watching a satch bag video and you expect something different? the naivety of your hubris percolates my humor reflex. how decadently fallacious. ohhohohohohohoho. now drissel hot chocolate all over my naked visage you philistine
"...This was a safe speech PSA from Satchel Drake. End transmission."
MMM trade marked, seriously... that's trademarked, that's hilarious.
Smooth editing, smooth animation, smooth approach to an oft roughly handed topic. Classic Satch. :)
i am motivated by my gains
creatine, bro
every day
It's the classic dispute between the liberties of the individual versus the outcome of the community at large. Nobody wants to be silenced or told how to talk, but when people feel the social pressure to be as emotionally engaged as their peers, the result is a negative experience for everyone.
Like VirgateSpy mentioned in the comments, this suggestion of "is it necessary, is it helpful, is it kind" is what we've been taught since we were kids, but no one seems to have a problem with it until it's suggested towards adults. It's good advice, but we fear of the possibility of it being somehow strictly enforced on us.
I feel like this is pretty applicable to conversation both online and in-person, actually.
This is going viral in 3...2...1...
CompilationChannel i am from future,sorry buddy...
Satch I don't ever listen to philosophical debates, they irritate me, it's a bunch of empty speech, but I always enjoy it when you speak. It's thought out, informed and comes from a logical spot instead of an emotional one. It's enjoyable.
Just found your content. Thank you fir what you do. Never stop creating. 🙌🏾🙏🏾
I absolutely love the animation. Feels (to me) like a higher quality version of Extra Credits.
I'm a huge fan of The Liturgists! And also obviously you.
Thanks for making quality, intelligent, thoughtful content Satch.
I tend to use HTML brackets to indicate emotion (e.g. ), & asterisks to indicate emphasis or physical actions (e.g. *even more* or *rolls eyes*).
+Tsundere Fox HTML tags take up quite a bit of your 140 character limit (assuming we're talking Twitter here.)
Rpgwaiter They do, but I tend to be brief.
I think you have found your groove! Keep up the good work, what an incredible channel!
Mmm...
Good video, Satch. I think it's worthwhile to ask those questions of oneself before posting any kind of response, and I'm guilty of not doing so at times.
Yup. I think we all do less thinking sometimes than we'd like to admit.
This was really nice. Loved the graphics and you hit on some very solid points
Great talks that are also treats of graphic design are the best kind. Thanks, Satch!
I like these thoughtful, introspective type videos of yours - like "Can we be too inspired" and "Internet presence". Mmm.
So what? Twitter is like Tumblr now? Everyone's getting offended?
Why can't we just type and post? If someone gets offended by something you say without offence, that just means they are in a negative mind set anyway, meaning that no matter what you would say, you will just get in an argument down the chain anyway.
And who is to say all arguments are bad? You might learn something by the end.
+ThatBugBehindYou I don't actually think the part about being nice isn't about offending someone but to win over.
like how one would give a friends opinion attention more then someone one despise like a bully or a annoying classmate for example.
And maybe you aren't the one satch is trying to reach out with this video if what you are saying is true. if you write something without focus on offending someone then you probably already in the guidelines of MMM.
+ThatBugBehindYou I was once told that it's not confrontation that gets you into trouble, but combat. Want to get all emotional about a serious conversation piece and hit Post so you feel better? Sure, go ahead. Keep in mind your post might not have the context needed to win people over. Your words will be no closer to getting the point across than never typing at all(and boyyyy- as someone who used to engage in those crazy Tumblr ess jay dub antics years ago this goes double).
If all else fails, don't be a dick. That kinda helps.
+ThatBugBehindYou I think the problem is (more or less) that people are irresponsible about it. In a medium that is restricted enough as it is, it is hard to convey certain ideas. Twitter may not be the place for debates and whatnot, but it doesn't stop people from using it. You can post whatever you'd like. Fine, but most people say whatever is on their mind without thinking and believe that "freedom of speech" absolves them from any consequences (good or bad).
This is just my two cents, but I think all he is saying is (do your best to) be mindful. Don't let your thumbs do the thinking. People will see you being the better person if you act as the better person.
+1NameGoesHere Hosnetly these days this might not still be true, a lot of times you might be attacked simply for sharing an opinion, society is turning into this weird illogical thing where it's more important to make people feel accommodated and comfortable than to make them informed and knowledgeable.
+VirgateSpy True, but the point is to (try and) be mindful, especially when you are able to.
i love the animation brah, and this is some pretty helpful advice, despite me not using twitter.
Satch is Back!!! so glad to see another awesome video from one of the best and most insiteful person on the internet
This is the main reason why I barely speak on Twitter. It is useful to see what's going on, but I cannot give my opinion in just 140 characters, I need a lot more than that. I really hope we get those 10000 characters to speak, I would really use them the same way I can speak freely here on UA-cam.
same bruh
Great video Satch! The animation reminds me a ton of the style used on Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell's videos.
This reminds me too much of the "is it necessary, is it helpful is it kind" thing for me to actually take it seriously... I just end up cringing instead.
+VirgateSpy Lol, it's basically the same thing. If that's too "friendly" for you, try the phrase "calm, clear, concise." They'll probably still take it the wrong way no matter how nice you make it, so just try not to LOOK like you threw the first stone and then swing away when they get mad.
+Ragnar Earthwarden Attempting to restrict every internet conversation for the weakest common denominator is not only unproductive but impractical.
VirgateSpy I disagree. First of all, excluding the weakest common denominator from every Internet conversation by intoxicating or convoluting the discussion is impractical and unproductive because if you're not changing the minds or actions of yourself or others, you're not really doing anything. Second, calmly making consumable statements that make an agreeable point from a different point of view has the potential of positively influencing the opinions of people you previously considered opponents.
Of course, not everyone benefits or even deserves such respect either way. It's not like it's an ethical law of the universe, obviously. A lot of people simply want to argue, to fight -- not exchange ideas. I'm not above fighting back sometimes just for fun.
+Ragnar Earthwarden No one is talking about excluding the weakest common denominator, but holding everyone else back for the sake of it makes no sense. That's the beauty of the internet and freedom, you can choose where from and what you want to absorb from it. Also restricting the exchange of certain ideas is nothing sort of backwards, humanity only got where it is now because of huge diversity and how more and more said diverse thoughts were liberated and tolerated.
+Ragnar Earthwarden Also "necessary, helpful and kind" does not in any way translate to "calm, clear and concise" those are independent from each other in every angle you look at it, as you can have any combination of those 6 and it could form a plausible statement.
This is fine advice for people who believe hostility is a bad thing or an accidental byproduct of their discourse. They think it's an effective tool. They are also mistaken.
I think a lot of this works for day-to-day interacting as well as online situations.
An interesting, logical, and well thought out video! One problem though, people arn't logical and neither are there emotions. For that soul reason I see true unification on the internet as unobtainable.
This ages so well
the quality of your vids are incredible!
Great video, as previously stated. Would you say that MMM could be used in casual conversation? I feel like it works perfectly on social media outlets like you stated, but I have an inkling that MMM would work for a random chat with an acquaintance.
Would like to know your thoughts.
That's why he noted that people speak differently in real life than they do on the internet.
I love your flat design Satchel! You're an inspiration. I hope one day I can grow up to be like you. Except I'm a year older...
Also, maybe people can think first before attacking people in comments on UA-cam (and any other place) just because someone's opinion opposes the host or others. The simplistic form of this being when people are called "fan boys"
I was born in 1984 and I share your opinion of the internet being a place where people can share ideas, information, etc. But I think that is the same reason I keep but barely use my Facebook account. It is a way, (albeit a half-hearted way, but a way nonetheless) to keep in touch with people I might otherwise lose to the annals of time. I don't think of it so much as a suburb, but almost a quarantine.
woah, what a well done video about MMM, im glad im subbed to this channel, this information is super usefull for a paper im working on
This is kind of the reason why I don't use Twitter that often, but you do bring up a good point Satch. I'm more comfortable in Facebook b/c I'm with people I know I can be with nicely, and Twitter is just too full of egocentric trolls. I am though, trying to get more comfy with Twitter's limited word out.
Interesting video, I just fail to see how facebook and twitter are so different. In layout and function sure but with Twitter you still create your "front yard" and "wall" as you described. You choose who to follow and tailor the experience to yourself. I can see what you say but you might not be following me and therefore not see what I say so doesn't that make it even more confined than facebook?
+rawblink Well I think you can make your Twitter profile private, but generally it's very open and you can take part in conversations that are going on between people you don't even know. The whole hashtag thing started on Twitter as a way for people to sort of throw their own two cents about something out there, and create a topic of discussion.
Facebook does have hashtags, but your profile is closed to everyone except people you confirm as friends unlike Twitter's follow system which is more public.
I guess that's a different way of looking at it. And that is true. On Twitter you just follow who ever you want. On facebook it's a two way street. Both parties have to acknowledge being "friended."
Yeah. To some extent it's two sides of the same coins, it's still two different ways for the same society to express itself. Twitter feels more open though. You are always subject to public scrutiny since everything can be seen by everyone.
I definitely get what you meant though. People like surrounding themselves with likeminded people, and despite having the whole worlds knowledge at the tip of your fingers a lot of people only choose to 'follow' people they agree with. A lot of people do end up creating their own social sphere on Twitter where they only really read the opinions of people who agree with you. It's really sad actually, Twitter has so much promise as a tool for free speech but so many people use it as an echo chamber to find justification for their own opinions.
This is why I drink...
Why not use haiku?
Easy to keep short and sweet,
Makes a good slam dunk.
Is the person who animated this the same person who animates "In a nutshell"?
This is some real good jazz right here
In order to speak out for people, you may need to simultaneously speak out against others. In fact, I find that is the case in most, if not, all situations.
I think there's still a distinction, though, in regards to whether or not one or the other is your motivation. If you're motivated by the opportunity to give a voice to the voiceless, then perhaps it makes the most sense to do so with respect for those that you circumstantially end up speaking against, recognizing that those who seemingly oppose you may be fueled by their own motivations that they consider good or noble from their own perspective, given their own beliefs or convictions.
+Artsy Omni I agree, I think it's all about the motivation. Are you arguing with someone in order to bring them down, or is it to raise someone else up? You may be able to do both simultaneously, but if you're emotionally prioritizing tearing the opposing argument down, then you might be losing sight of what's important. This is particularly important in my opinion with arguments regarding concepts of social justice and equality.
Right on the money. More than not, people post about critical issues on social media out of anger and need for attention, not out of personal investment. It's just a noisy firestorm. I haven't posted anything on my facebook or twitter page since I personally started following this principle. I guess I still post dumb stuff here on youtube though, so I can still do better.
I really like the message a lot, but the visual style and tone sounds kinda...corporate? Just feels weird seeing this on the same channel as a lot of your other video essays.
Still, glad to have you back making videos again, dude!
Man, the Crash Test Dummies were way ahead of the curve.
Looks great Satch, Is it per chance inspired by kurzgesagt? Just curious
+PrimeHylian before that channel got popular there were already plenty of vids floating around like this
I'm finding this to be very relevant right now
Good stuff, man. Thanks for the insight.
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Sorry, but every time he said it, I couldn't help but think about Markiplier's silly spore creation.
Awesome video, Satch! It was so well done. :P
Well put man. Love it.
Agreed that we should be more sensitive. I also think a large portion of the issues with discourse on Social Media are caused by the experience design of these platforms. Thoughts?
Thanks for making this! Great video (Not sarcasm!)
This video just wasn't for me.
What do you mean?
Awesome video! I also love the motion media!
I don't really use my twitter, for the very reason that speech is limited. I do check in on my favorite twitter accounts from time to time for content however I hardly ever post anything. I liked the infographic though, very well done.
I think the comparison of Twitter to a city is pretty spot on...
...I also don't look for opinions from the people on a fucking street.
This video is amazing.
Would you ever make a video on inspiration? This has always been a problem for me. I'd be working on a short story or world build and I always hit this wall. I feel it coming. I'm running out of ideas. And I don't know what else I can add. But I need that mysterious thing, because if I don't the story feels incomplete.
Good recommendations and perspective on this topic. My only issue is relating globalization to empowerment as it does the opposite for many communities around the world.
Great video Satch', did you animate this yourself? not sarcasm!
Well, all I can say is mmm... So deep, but so true.
I miss the use of forums. They were more categorized and a little more walled than twitter, allowed for longer digressions and more in-depth topics, did not segregate spaces into ego-controlled domains like Facebook pages, and were easier to moderate. Disqus threads may be the closest we have in the modern sense of the open seas of the internet.
Loving the Taylor Swift 1989 reference at the beginning there lol
The guy is so smart it makes me insecure about myself
Not where I was expecting to see the liturgies and Mike McHargues name. Are you a Michael gungor fan?
I wonder what you would think of tumblr. I like twitter okay, but as you mention it's very limited.
Tumblr focuses even more on the conversation, rather than the person. But there isn't a character limit, giving people a chance to really get into an issue rather than just deliever a one liner on a situation that may be very complex.
They could probably benefit from these guidelines as well.
I don't have a Facebook account and I don't Tweet. Does that make some sort of internet hobo?
eyyy you have youtube though :P
+_ Cobrehh _ Then I'm a hobo who enjoys people watching, maybe.
andyhoov Haha maybe
Logic on the internet? Pah!
Seriously though, great video. Needed to be said, needs to be shared.
First things first, there's not such a thing as "the brevity of the internet", unless of course you're defining twitter as the internet. Also, twitter is an awful platform to have any kind of meaningful conversation, because its the only place where brevity is enforced. Maybe the title should've been "How to speak on twitter",
Anyway back on topic. I see no purpose to such specific questions unless you're only talking about discussions around justice issues, in which case I'd say only the first one might be relevant, because if what you're saying is honest and lacks malicious intent, then there's no reason not to say it.
Satch invoking Mike. Internet worlds collide..... Yes, perhaps there's something to your assessment of Facebook. But, it's also very valuable for me, as someone with anxiety and panic disorders, to curate my experience from Twitter's free for all. My experience on twitter is that what's expected is a take-all-comers-free-for-all of rhetorical smackdowns that look a lot like abuse. On facebook, I'm able to set myself up with the 12 people who I know, value, and do not see very often. Yeah, only 12 people, and all people I know offline. This means that we're not throwing shade all the time, and taking the time to speak in a respectful, measured manner. I use it to keep in touch with the people I really DO want to stay in touch with. It helps to keep incoming communication respectful, and it also means I have to restrain my own combative inclinations. I can't cast the broad net I did on social media a few years ago. I try instead to focus on those connections which are truly meaningful to me. So, perhaps that's a suburb. I think of it more as a small town in the country where everybody knows each other and manages to keep civil ties even through disagreements because we share a small community.
While this is applicable to a lot of postings about political discourse, MMM isn't a one size fits all guideline. For example, what if speaking out for someone also includes speaking out against someone, or if you want to back up a claim by providing an example as a person so you aren't guilty of a straw man fallacy? And if you're part of a marginalized group, what if you have to speak out for yourself against someone directly antagonizing you? Ad Hominem attacks have lately been the bread and butter of online arguments and people often try to undermine your position by undermining your person. I also feel like the last question is a little watered down. I understand it means to say "Are you regurgitating an opinion from a group of people who share a self-ascribed label or is this something you genuinely believe in yourself?" but it sort of comes off as sounding like you're discouraging posting thoughts that sound like people who agree with you, which is silly because you would have ascribed yourself that label because those people are like minded, ie you wouldn't call yourself a feminist if you didn't mostly agree with the opinions, leanings and ideologies of feminism.
I miss pre-internet
Sorry Link, I can't give credit! Come back when you are little, MMM, Richer!
Great recommendations. It'd be nice if everyone did this. Though I wonder if Twitter would be as big or relevant if that was the case.
the way you said MMM reminded me of Crash Test Dummies Mmm Mmm Mmm
I feel like this gets shown in a lot of schools