Geishas can't fall in love, but even the most impresive and disciplined geisha, like Mameha is, can be a victim of that dangerous but precious feeling.
I don't think love played a key role here. He was her Da'na. He paid for everything she had, from the roof over her head, to food in her belly, the silk kimonos and so on. Mameha was afraid that if he bought Sayuri, that her funds would be cut and she would end up homeless. A Da'na only kept one geisha. There was no need for two.
@@IkkinDarkheart I think in the movie version it was a bit of both. She does call him "my poor baron" later in the movie when talking about his suicide and held on to a kimono he gifted her through all the hardships she experienced during the war.
I get it. Geishas are entertainers, hostresses, arm-candy, etc. But also entrepreneurs and a young woman's virginity is highly prized among men. As well, being the virginity of a trained female courtesan, might as well sell it to the highest bidder when she's young. Once older, who's going to believe she's still a virgin? Sell it when the iron is hot.
@@lucindagray8882 This book/movie combined the customs of geishas and courtesans (high class escorts/prostitutes) to create a tale that westerners would enjoy. It is sad that this was put into the story, as it is definitely NOT geisha custom. But the high class courtesans, yes. Which is why it did not make sense.
@@BreadFred3 Geishas are not courtesans. This book/movie combined the two and in my opinion is very disrespectful towards geisha. The book was written by a white male, so not at all Japanese... Geisha are purely high class entertainers with no sexual interactions with clients. Courtesans are very high class prostitutes (like an escort in the western world) and did sell their virginity when they were in training.
Her motivation here might be a little ambiguous. It's possible that she made her choice out of feelings for him or she was just trying to maintain her livelihood. Since his patronage as her danna allowed her to leave her okiya and be independent, she might've been afraid that him falling for Sayuri could take that away from her.
I was actually surprised Mameha was in love with him, especially in the books where the situation is even worse because he forced her to have an abortion (and it’s mentioned she was pretty devastated about it too).
basically Danna will pay all your debt to okiya. Then she has a choice to continue working as part-timer geisha and get paid by Okliya,(if danna allows) Or quit geisha and become just a mistress.
Michelle yeoh is so excellent as an actress but i just want to add, i think what would have made this scene, just a smidge better, is if "mameha" would have wiped away a tear when she was walking away to show her mixed happiness yet consternation and some jealousy about the baron being the highest bidder.
@@bungakuning9420 yes but the doctor is still a very old man. I remember the book mentionned that thr doctor shows to Chiyo the coton he used to healing her leg. That's pretty nasty
actually the girl he based it on was angry. He took her words and twisted them into his own novel which was utter drivel. Read Geisha of Gion (her own book) if you want to know what really happened.
I absolutely loved how Mameha kept it real with her in-spite of her feelings for the Baron
Grown Geisha right there.
Geishas can't fall in love, but even the most impresive and disciplined geisha, like Mameha is, can be a victim of that dangerous but precious feeling.
I don't think love played a key role here. He was her Da'na. He paid for everything she had, from the roof over her head, to food in her belly, the silk kimonos and so on. Mameha was afraid that if he bought Sayuri, that her funds would be cut and she would end up homeless. A Da'na only kept one geisha. There was no need for two.
@@IkkinDarkheart I think in the movie version it was a bit of both. She does call him "my poor baron" later in the movie when talking about his suicide and held on to a kimono he gifted her through all the hardships she experienced during the war.
@@IkkinDarkheart It's very evident Mameha genuinely loved the baron.
@@conatcha or she respected him because of what she dued him.
But I think she chose the doctor for protecting Chiyo
@@a.g.demada5263 Mameha saying "forgive me (...) I think you understand why" is quite clear for me.
"We sell our skills, not our bodies. Now lets sell that virginity"
😂😂😂😂, RIIIIIIGHT!!! Like make it make sense 🤨😒....
I get it. Geishas are entertainers, hostresses, arm-candy, etc. But also entrepreneurs and a young woman's virginity is highly prized among men. As well, being the virginity of a trained female courtesan, might as well sell it to the highest bidder when she's young. Once older, who's going to believe she's still a virgin? Sell it when the iron is hot.
@@lucindagray8882 This book/movie combined the customs of geishas and courtesans (high class escorts/prostitutes) to create a tale that westerners would enjoy. It is sad that this was put into the story, as it is definitely NOT geisha custom. But the high class courtesans, yes. Which is why it did not make sense.
@@BreadFred3 Geishas are not courtesans. This book/movie combined the two and in my opinion is very disrespectful towards geisha. The book was written by a white male, so not at all Japanese... Geisha are purely high class entertainers with no sexual interactions with clients. Courtesans are very high class prostitutes (like an escort in the western world) and did sell their virginity when they were in training.
How could Mameha love that disgusting Baron given all grace and wisdom she had? He's atrocious. He fell as low as bidding for his lover's apprentice
Sharing men makes the burden easier not harder 🙂
Her motivation here might be a little ambiguous. It's possible that she made her choice out of feelings for him or she was just trying to maintain her livelihood. Since his patronage as her danna allowed her to leave her okiya and be independent, she might've been afraid that him falling for Sayuri could take that away from her.
I was actually surprised Mameha was in love with him, especially in the books where the situation is even worse because he forced her to have an abortion (and it’s mentioned she was pretty devastated about it too).
@@katydidmelanson3609 what the fuck
She was not in love with him but he paid all of her expenses. I’ve never heard her say she was in love with him.
basically Danna will pay all your debt to okiya. Then she has a choice to continue working as part-timer geisha and get paid by Okliya,(if danna allows)
Or quit geisha and become just a mistress.
Michelle yeoh is so excellent as an actress but i just want to add, i think what would have made this scene, just a smidge better, is if "mameha" would have wiped away a tear when she was walking away to show her mixed happiness yet consternation and some jealousy about the baron being the highest bidder.
I wouldn't think so. It's best to show how strong she is and not to take the moment from Sayuri.
She’s gonna win best actress one day!
And you were right ^_^
Mamaha was in love with the nasty Barron.
I wait like my grandmother who patiently waits for pay back
Italians 'do it' 👌 best haha😅
But yet she had to sleep with that nasty ass doctor? Oh lord
he was her danna..if she doesn't do it, the baron would take away all her belongings😑
@@bungakuning9420 no, the doctor just paie for her mizuage but that doesn't mean he became her danna
@@a.g.demada5263 i know that..actually the person who asked this question has change the baron to doctor..i mean she change nasty ass baron to doctor🤷
@@bungakuning9420 yes but the doctor is still a very old man.
I remember the book mentionned that thr doctor shows to Chiyo the coton he used to healing her leg. That's pretty nasty
This whole plotline is complete bull. Geisha are NOT prostitutes, they never ever sell sex. It's disgusting.
It's based on a work of fiction by an author who didn't understand the actual role/career of a geisha.
Even so, geishas originated from the oiran concept, except their evolution made them take a very different path, one that's much kinder to women.
They sold their virginity to become a geisha.
I think never ever is a stretch.
@@RavenPendragon14 You "think"? Based on what actual sources?
The screen playbreally jacked up the book very badly. Golden should be upset.
actually the girl he based it on was angry. He took her words and twisted them into his own novel which was utter drivel. Read Geisha of Gion (her own book) if you want to know what really happened.
@@TerryTheNewsGirlYup. If Golden is upset, he’s only getting what he deserved.
No I wait for my hibachi Lyers
髪型がGEISHAでもMAIKOでもない。こんなひっ詰め髪にしない。着物も変。映画オリジナル。