The Jirard Discord Call Interview

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  • Опубліковано 17 гру 2023
  • For transparency and given recent threats we decided to release this call for any party to review.
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  • @Jmerithew87
    @Jmerithew87 6 місяців тому +3959

    Jirard legit hurt himself in his confusion. Karl and Muta gave him a chance to clean this up honorably, instead he threatened to sue them, forcing their hand on sharing the truly damning stuff.

    • @amiiboacid4785
      @amiiboacid4785 6 місяців тому +14

      If they only made the first videos that's what would have happened. But in the second videos that alleged that Jirard is a crook even though the money was already donated by then, which is the only reason why he threatened legal action.

    • @MatsThyWit
      @MatsThyWit 6 місяців тому +475

      @@amiiboacid4785 You're not seriously still trying to defend Jirard are you? There is no defense for any of this.

    • @amiiboacid4785
      @amiiboacid4785 6 місяців тому +10

      @@MatsThyWit Yes, I am defending him. I do not believe the actions committed by him and Open Hand were illegal. Alleging that what he did is illegal may be slander. The courts will decide this. If Karl never said that he's a fraudster and let the audit process happen, he wouldn't be fearing another lawsuit right now.

    • @ssjbargainsale
      @ssjbargainsale 6 місяців тому +437

      @@amiiboacid4785 There's is already plenty of evidence out there proving that charity fraud occurred, so that's not slander

    • @ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196
      @ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 6 місяців тому +10

      "Gave him a chance", no, they were always after him, they wanted to farm and they did.

  • @sumisuuuu
    @sumisuuuu 6 місяців тому +701

    For someone who had no idea where the money was going, Jirard knows pretty much everything about where the money was going

    • @mrshmuga9
      @mrshmuga9 6 місяців тому +71

      I don’t know where this money was going, but the gun at my head says it definitely wasn’t used illegally.

    • @huyphamle159
      @huyphamle159 6 місяців тому +13

      Greed is one helluva of a drug

    • @ArtofHunter
      @ArtofHunter 6 місяців тому +9

      That's the thing too. He is literally on the OHF board along with his family. He is SUPPOSE to know about the money being a board member. It's amazing he's trying to downplay that.

    • @shady_silhoutte
      @shady_silhoutte 6 місяців тому +5

      The Schrodinger's Charity Funds of Jirard.

  • @pikaboom6539
    @pikaboom6539 6 місяців тому +542

    Jirard is like the culprit in Phoenix Wright games who gradually becomes more unhinged on the stand as their mask slips

    • @tjlnintendo
      @tjlnintendo 6 місяців тому +80

      Bro… someone should put the ace Attorney ost over this. Lmao

    • @corvusdominus9835
      @corvusdominus9835 6 місяців тому +52

      His freak out animation is his response video, threatening to sue the court.

    • @pentexsucks43
      @pentexsucks43 6 місяців тому +27

      Someone needs to animate this call in the games style.

    • @mathieul4303
      @mathieul4303 6 місяців тому +7

      I mean, anyone would with this kind of pressure lol

    • @TheOl4x4
      @TheOl4x4 6 місяців тому +4

      Absolutely brilliant.

  • @laurakinney7438
    @laurakinney7438 6 місяців тому +299

    Karl did a good job keeping Muta on track and staying objective.

    • @GikamesShadow
      @GikamesShadow 5 місяців тому

      Objective
      Right
      Thats what we call being a "bad actor" now.
      Not giving the benefit of the doubt when you have no actual proof on what they are refering to is what we call "being objective". I bet he has spycameras in the houses of the Jirard family thats how he knows that what he "corrects" muta on is true.

  • @cagejones7757
    @cagejones7757 6 місяців тому +3499

    Jirard: please don't drag my family into it
    Also Jirard: constantly deflects using his family

    • @Aeternum_Zephyria
      @Aeternum_Zephyria 6 місяців тому +9

      which timestamp was the part where jirard said "please don't drag my family into it" I didn't catch it-

    • @cagejones7757
      @cagejones7757 6 місяців тому +93

      @@Aeternum_Zephyria not verbatim, based on 43:03

    • @the0nlytrueprophet942
      @the0nlytrueprophet942 6 місяців тому +107

      @@Aeternum_ZephyriaHe goes ‘I have 20 mouths to feed’ implying that going after him would be immoral basically

    • @Aeternum_Zephyria
      @Aeternum_Zephyria 6 місяців тому +16

      @@cagejones7757 something feels up considering the tone of how he said that. either way, so far the whole thing really felt like Jirard scrambling to save his self-image and no longer for his mother. whatever I said may be up to speculation but hey, that's my opinion.

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 6 місяців тому +35

      ​@@Aeternum_Zephyria I think in this call he is earnest and honest. His brother or father likely are the ones mismanaging the money the most. But in his response video he is super angry and the decision to sue wasn't made by him alone but together with the rest of the family. He read a script and it's clear it isn't the same Jirad speaking there as it is here.

  • @BigMacOrange
    @BigMacOrange 6 місяців тому +524

    Something tells me jirard didn't inform his attorneys that this voice call existed.

    • @goldensaiyan4
      @goldensaiyan4 6 місяців тому +91

      Not even Better Call Saul could fix this

    • @PsychoMantisss
      @PsychoMantisss 6 місяців тому

      Not even Alan Shore (From Boston Legal) with his not exactly legal methods could fix this mess.@@goldensaiyan4

    • @NickDoddTV
      @NickDoddTV 6 місяців тому +52

      Him being the manipulator he is, that's probably right...he probably went to his lawyers and was like "these guys are accusing me of financial crimes make it go away *whaaaaaaaa*"

    • @--_DJ_--
      @--_DJ_-- 6 місяців тому +27

      Ya, this was a huge mistake. Being involved in your own outing is just braindead. Never self snitch, no matter what.

    • @HakenRPG
      @HakenRPG 6 місяців тому +47

      He for sure informed them of his moms death tho.

  • @TemporalShrewm
    @TemporalShrewm 6 місяців тому +266

    Karl's "Hey Jirard!" warning to Muta was so funny when Jirard came back into the call, lmao.

    • @cnk9822
      @cnk9822 6 місяців тому +59

      Yeah, i was like "did you not hear the someone has joined sound of discord" 😅

    • @felipegaming1923
      @felipegaming1923 5 місяців тому

      Timestamp?

    • @user-vi4xy1jw7e
      @user-vi4xy1jw7e 5 місяців тому

      Timestamp? 😊

    • @hunterst6321
      @hunterst6321 5 місяців тому +8

      Timestamp is 12:36, you can hear the discord sound at around 12:32

  • @MichaelMikey320
    @MichaelMikey320 6 місяців тому +430

    I love the silence and complete tonal change from Jirard at 33:55 when he got confirmation that Muta and Karl are going public with this. This is the exact moment Jirard knew for a fact that it’s all over.

    • @TheMartinbomber
      @TheMartinbomber 6 місяців тому +86

      Jirard should have known this revelation was going to happen EVENTUALLY. The tax filings are public, it was only a matter of time before people found out. Thankfully it didn't take ANOTHER 10yrs, but really Jirard should've known this shit was coming. No sympathy for his situation

    • @TheLastLineLive
      @TheLastLineLive 6 місяців тому +11

      Indeed, reminds me of the nuclear bomb scene from Oppenheimer.

    • @mathieul4303
      @mathieul4303 6 місяців тому +1

      Hes afraid of the cancel culture

    • @ExWifeHaver287
      @ExWifeHaver287 5 місяців тому +40

      @@mathieul4303it has nothing to do with cancel culture. We’re talking real world illegal stuff here.

    • @johnnysupreme5718
      @johnnysupreme5718 5 місяців тому +8

      @@ExWifeHaver287 The legal stuff is objectively more important, but a person like Jirard seems like he's worried about his image more than anything.
      He knows he's on the other side of Cancel Culture now and that he can't dig himself out of it.

  • @mazda9624
    @mazda9624 6 місяців тому +4887

    The call is so damning. Jirard is so screwed. It’s funny because Muta and Karl didn’t even want to release this audio, but Jirard forced their hands. Thank you so much for sharing the truth.

    • @TheBlueGoldenHawk
      @TheBlueGoldenHawk 6 місяців тому +383

      and seems like they even did him a favor by not releasing the beginning of this call that probably has info about the personal in-fighting between Jirard and his family.

    • @Nanashi20
      @Nanashi20 6 місяців тому +163

      ​@@TheBlueGoldenHawkhonestly, part of me thinks that infighting is what has jirard doing this legal action crap, like he doesn't want to go against his family for some reason, but yeah, this is all nasty stuff

    • @danteshollowedgrounds
      @danteshollowedgrounds 6 місяців тому +60

      Yes, Jirad is so Dumb they got his ass now.

    • @jeremygalloway1348
      @jeremygalloway1348 6 місяців тому +6

      How did he force their hand?

    • @gasad01374
      @gasad01374 6 місяців тому +6

      thats wrong, they were going to release it no matter what happened.

  • @BrendonKing
    @BrendonKing 6 місяців тому +398

    Muta: there’s still a silver lining here
    Karl: peace was never an option

  • @siphillis
    @siphillis 6 місяців тому +543

    It's so interesting comparing Muta and Karl's reaction after Jirard first drops off. Muta seems almost disturbed and moved by a clearly distraught Jirard, but Karl sees right through it immediately.

    • @FEBRIZIOtv
      @FEBRIZIOtv 6 місяців тому +85

      muta was seeing through the eyes of a fan. and someone with empathy. but you cannot have those things in the face of injustice. this is how atrocities are carried out. it's why the two police in my home city of minneapolis just allowed chauvin to kneel on a clearly overdosing and panicked man's neck for that long. they had no spine and were protecting their friend.

    • @reomeo8196
      @reomeo8196 6 місяців тому +108

      @@FEBRIZIOtvLol come on comparing Jirard to Derek Chauvin even indirectly is taking things WAY overboard

    • @coyotejohenson7245
      @coyotejohenson7245 6 місяців тому

      MrCharity Inc DBA Beast Philanthropy doesn't even have their 990 forms publicly available which is a red flag if I've ever seen one.

    • @MuShinnen
      @MuShinnen 6 місяців тому +44

      @@FEBRIZIOtv This is a totally bonkers comparison. Jirard's actions are very shitty. Absolutely, undoubtedly shitty behavior on his part, but comparing him to a "man" kneeling on another's neck until death is ridiculous. Murderers should never so easily be mixed in with non violent acts.

    • @WillParker322
      @WillParker322 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@MuShinneni guess he should've stayed in the car instead of being finiky 🤷 its not like he ran to them in need of help and they did that.

  • @br0deyclone
    @br0deyclone 6 місяців тому +415

    His tone changed quickly in a matter of days. From a shaky, scared voice, that doesn't know what to do, to a angry man who's gonna "defend" his family's name. It's so obvious he's guilty.

    • @calycalyps0
      @calycalyps0 6 місяців тому +33

      Exactly. His question "so i take it that you're going to make a piece on this" (not exact quote since i have bad memory but something like that) is proof that he was hoping to convince them not to make a video on it.

    • @McNaireXstream
      @McNaireXstream 6 місяців тому +23

      I'm sure his lawyer was like, why the heck did you go on a recorded call 😂

  • @RaptorianxdReviews
    @RaptorianxdReviews 6 місяців тому +817

    Karl and Muta: No one is saying you're embezzling.
    Jirard: They accused me of embezzlement.

    • @Turbovolver
      @Turbovolver 6 місяців тому +17

      To be fair, by the time Jirard said that they sort of had with their second round of videos suggesting money was missing.

    • @kyuubisgirl3232
      @kyuubisgirl3232 6 місяців тому +103

      @@Turbovolverwhich makes it all the more hilarious that he admits to embezzling in that very same video

    • @humanmerelybeing1966
      @humanmerelybeing1966 6 місяців тому +62

      @@Turbovolver Muta says he's not accusing him of embezzlement, but you can see on the foundation's tax filings that they have $10k+ in expenses at times despite Jirard saying 100% of the donations would go to charity. Whether you embezzled 10% or 100% of the donations doesn't change that, but Jirard was trying to make it sound like they'd accused him of 100% to make their allegations seem overstated/exaggerated or just take away from their credibility. On the other hand, I can understand why Jirard was nervous about things being misrepresented. I think Karl did a really good job of clarifying what happened, what was wrong, and why it was wrong, but people still seem to think the money was laundered or that he spent it on the 3DS eShop or whatever. So, Jirard was sort of right in assuming the internet would assume the worst of him, but also you kind of open yourself up to those assumptions when you commit fraud and embezzle money.

    • @jameshobbs9180
      @jameshobbs9180 6 місяців тому +15

      Karl and Muta have been good about not saying the embezzling word because they don't have any direct proof that Jirard or one of his family members were embezzling any funds.
      They did a good job sticking to claims they have backing of evidence for it. Though Karl in his response video, did make the claim that Jirard was essentially embezzling funds (though not outright), but that's only because Jirard admitted to it using the funds in essentially that way in his video.
      In all likelihood, there's a good chance that the money from the golf tournament was stolen. They just don't have any proof it was so they're avoiding saying it was, only saying that it's suspicious and the math doesn't math.

    • @corronchilejano
      @corronchilejano 6 місяців тому +12

      ​@@Turbovolverbecause money was missing. It still is. At least 60k in donations and who knows how much else due to the tournaments.

  • @mmarshfairc3
    @mmarshfairc3 6 місяців тому +1827

    It’s nuts that after this 100% reasonable and amicable call, Jirard threatened to sue them.

    • @fahadalghamdi9316
      @fahadalghamdi9316 6 місяців тому +195

      Something tells me that his family played a big part in this. Of course, that does not absolve him. His family knew about all of these and they were working with him. so I assume they pressured him into that foolish, foolish response. Which ironically removed all doubt.

    • @pilgrimspromise1132
      @pilgrimspromise1132 6 місяців тому +112

      Don't forget the random throw away line about not being involved with the golf stuff.....

    • @Yipper64
      @Yipper64 6 місяців тому +49

      @@pilgrimspromise1132 Yeah that was suspicious. I think that was his justification for why he only donated as much as indieland made, and not the golf money. But it seems he completely fumbled that tactic because Muta and Karl didnt even find out about that when they where doing the call.

    • @joshuaclark9545
      @joshuaclark9545 6 місяців тому +87

      As Karl pointed out in the segment when Jirard's phone died, there was a lot of guilt tripping in this call. The purpose on Jirard's side was to see if he could get it hidden without legal action. It was fairly effective on Muta, and I suspect he'd have succeeded in getting this hidden if not for the ferocity of Karl, it's honestly a lucky break they interviewed him together. Legal action would have been more effective against Karl if he didn't perform the due diligence of taking Jirard's statement, which he stated he was planning on uploading without speaking to Jirard, and I think it's within the realm of possibility that Muta would've folded in sympathy if Karl didn't help to ground him in those moments.

    • @OneIroNauT_1
      @OneIroNauT_1 6 місяців тому +24

      @@pilgrimspromise1132- That was super spot on trying to distance himself from a crime he is well aware of.

  • @leeartlee915
    @leeartlee915 6 місяців тому +366

    For anyone who’s ever lived with liars, Jirad is hitting all the tell tell sings of someone who’s fibbing. Could be a lot of stuff or just some things, but he is acting very sus.

    • @orangejjay
      @orangejjay 6 місяців тому +53

      That was my thought as well.
      A liar will give you reasons for why their lie isn't a lie. Someone telling the truth will simply tell the truth ... there's no "reason" for their truth when given.
      Then the guilt trips and the changes in voice tone.
      There's folks on UA-cam who do videos on how to spot a liar. This call would be great content for that.

    • @leeartlee915
      @leeartlee915 6 місяців тому +32

      @@orangejjay Yep, you got it. And side note I LOVE those types of videos. Especially when they are done regarding interrogations.
      As for this dude, it’s so many things. The pressured speech. The over explaining. The shift of responsibility. The fact that he’s all over the place. I came into this situation pretty neutral on Jirard but hearing what I’ve heard, I don’t even care if it was a simple mistake. His response video was hard to watch. It was like watching a drowning man thrashing in water to stay alive. Except he only cares about himself and his personal crew. If he wanted to really make good on things, that video should have said “I messed up and I am sorry. I hope you can forgive me”…. and that’s it.

    • @goblinarsonist
      @goblinarsonist 6 місяців тому +2

      As much as I'm not a fan of the current reaction or muta/karl's actions in a lot of this... yeah, pretty much this comment 100%. I'd been wanting to hear this for a while and there is a lot of small details that could just be a guy under a lot of stress with internal family drama or someone scrambling like shit to come up with anything that sticks.

    • @leeartlee915
      @leeartlee915 6 місяців тому +5

      @@goblinarsonist Yeah, I don’t particularly love how Karl went about this either. The whole thing just feels like “gotcha” content. And he *could* just be feeling overwhelmed. Good money, though, says he lying about either some stuff or a lot.

    • @FullMoonOctober
      @FullMoonOctober 6 місяців тому +20

      @@leeartlee915 It's not surprising that it turned into a gotcha. They went extremely easy in their first videos, and look how it turned out--Jirard's supporters dug their heads in the sand and believed every attempted by Jirard to play innocent. Sometimes you have to rub people's nose in it for them to admit it's there.

  • @SerterSerter
    @SerterSerter 6 місяців тому +142

    28:38 Jirard being upset at the thought of the money going to some big organisation to cover expenses and not doing anything useful is gut-busting hilarious.

    • @bluedistortions
      @bluedistortions 6 місяців тому +45

      Jirard: "we couldn't find any charities that wouldn't take money off the top for their expenses, that's why we didn't donate."
      Jirard (each year): "so let's take a little money off the top, we have expenses.."

  • @gilgazack9403
    @gilgazack9403 6 місяців тому +6196

    we should take a shot every time jirard mentions his mom

    • @SunshineMael115
      @SunshineMael115 6 місяців тому +816

      Alcohol poisoning has entered the chat

    • @duckquack2000
      @duckquack2000 6 місяців тому +405

      My liver would prefer we don’t do that

    • @XarronChaos
      @XarronChaos 6 місяців тому +176

      I don't even have enough spicy ramen to combat the hangovers

    • @richardmcgowan1651
      @richardmcgowan1651 6 місяців тому +98

      We would be killed.

    • @Revali69420
      @Revali69420 6 місяців тому +148

      Speedruning liver failure

  • @hacker452100
    @hacker452100 6 місяців тому +400

    Jirard would not last a single second in court without mentioning his mom

    • @blakewhite3131
      @blakewhite3131 6 місяців тому +55

      He'd try to make eye contact with the jurors, too. He seems like the typa weasel to think the jury will eat up his sob story.

    • @JackpotToys
      @JackpotToys 6 місяців тому +23

      “You see your honor, my mom….” He can last four words anyway lolol

    • @demifolk8940
      @demifolk8940 6 місяців тому +13

      emotional appeal is a legitimate strategy in court, so yea he would mention his mom because it would be pretty important in this situation.

    • @Adam_U
      @Adam_U 6 місяців тому +11

      Jirard is the kind of person who would walk into a store, stuff products into his coat and try to leave, and when the security guard tries to stop him he runs outside shouting "but my mom died"

    • @manuelpatino7863
      @manuelpatino7863 6 місяців тому +4

      ​@@demifolk8940Yeah. Luckily people can now see through how manipulative, deflective and disgusting Jirard is by using his mom's name like this.

  • @tohrum2679
    @tohrum2679 6 місяців тому +585

    damn; Karl is so pragmatic. I'm not actually surprised, but seeing a non-scripted version of his persona is something else.

    • @sierrakobold6896
      @sierrakobold6896 6 місяців тому +133

      Yeah, pragmatic and professional, making sure there is an emotional disconnect to handle things fairly and balanced

    • @Demigod_3scrub
      @Demigod_3scrub 6 місяців тому +2

      True .. I love it

    • @Demigod_3scrub
      @Demigod_3scrub 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@CaleseCrowder86 Yeah 😅

    • @jessbellis9510
      @jessbellis9510 6 місяців тому +46

      Aussies have a very good "bullshit detector" and our way of handling highly emotional/stressful situations is the "she'll be right" mentality. Basically take things as they come and keep moving. It leads to an ability to look at things from a more objective or less emotional perspective.

    • @EricDrinksWater
      @EricDrinksWater 6 місяців тому +5

      @@jessbellis9510 This has nothing to do with Australians. Super weird insertion here.

  • @d00styTV
    @d00styTV 5 місяців тому +49

    normal people when their mum gets dementia: oh no, i hope she's gonna be okay :(
    jirard when his mum gets dementia: i can milk you

    • @GikamesShadow
      @GikamesShadow 5 місяців тому +2

      Normal people when they see legal cases: Wow thats screwed up. I hope the evidence provided is sound
      You: "Wow I believe every little detail I hear from people like its just regular drama and dont look up anything myself that they talk about to make an informed opinion. Legal and career ruining accusations are just entertainment to me"
      NPC

    • @blasko_chicago
      @blasko_chicago 5 місяців тому +23

      @@GikamesShadow He lied for a decade, he stole for a decade. That's a fact and no legal decision has any bearing on that. Cope harder

    • @Xverol
      @Xverol 5 місяців тому +13

      ​@@GikamesShadow why are you defending jirad in multiple comments?

    • @d00styTV
      @d00styTV 5 місяців тому +11

      @@GikamesShadow blind fans when the youtuber known for lying tells them to believe him: yessir 🫡

  • @matttran7161
    @matttran7161 6 місяців тому +1713

    Man this should have come out first. Muta is so kind and empathetic while Karl is straight ruthless lol

    • @siliconecheese697
      @siliconecheese697 6 місяців тому +463

      muta and carl make a great good cop bad cop duo

    • @kristoffer8609
      @kristoffer8609 6 місяців тому +237

      And we can see what being "empathetic" to this guy accomplished. Karl was right.

    • @ZetaCancri
      @ZetaCancri 6 місяців тому +91

      Muta cares, Karl is a gangster lol

    • @matttran7161
      @matttran7161 6 місяців тому +215

      @@ZetaCancri Yeah I came out of this with so much more respect for Muta. He just came off so maniacal in some of his videos I thought he'd be just as stone cold. He's still human. I am flat on Karl, he behaved exactly as I expected lol. Dude's seen some shit and built up a good callous over the years.

    • @theawesomeali8834
      @theawesomeali8834 6 місяців тому +28

      I respect Muta more, although he may have gone a little too far in his accusations in the 3rd video about the golf money and in the video after Jirard’s response, he did his best research and wanted a net positive, but he should have waited for higher authorities to investigate the situation. He still did a good job. Karl on the other hand is a monster with his last video, he assumed the absolute worst and didn’t give Jirard time to turn this around, indirectly hurting his rep despite Jirard willing to cooperate with an audit and admitting to lying and irresponsibility. And now a ton of people dogpile Jirard with cancel culture instead of giving constructive criticism. Jirard obviously needs to hold himself more accountable, he only did the bare minimum. Both sides are at fault to some extent.

  • @faimynth6030
    @faimynth6030 6 місяців тому +1591

    Muta and Karl are the absolute perfect example of Good cop and Bad cop and they make a fantastic duo.

    • @JoyasInmaculadas
      @JoyasInmaculadas 6 місяців тому +89

      Waiting for the inevitable anime adaptation

    • @rahyansuryaramadhan7082
      @rahyansuryaramadhan7082 6 місяців тому +57

      And you'll never guess who's the bad cop and good cop based on their appearance

    • @itsbeebaby
      @itsbeebaby 6 місяців тому +12

      @@rahyansuryaramadhan7082what do you mean?

    • @catnip202xch.
      @catnip202xch. 6 місяців тому +71

      @@itsbeebabyhe means that if going off looks alone Muta is very hairy and looks like a stereotypical muscular hairy man that’s aggressive lol and Karl os the opposite

    • @ChidderPL
      @ChidderPL 6 місяців тому +4

      @@catnip202xch. Karl is like Holden Ford in "Mindhunter" ;)

  • @UrsaFrank
    @UrsaFrank 6 місяців тому +66

    6:10 I love that he throws Projared under the bus, especially after Projared was one of the few people that blindly supported him on twitter when this all started to come out

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 5 місяців тому +15

      Same though I don't blame Jared (kinda) given his controversy and how several people (including myself) blindly assumed he was a giant piece of crap for cheating and sending nudes to minors IIRC. Innocent til proven Guilty, is what some tried to do in this situation.

  • @franklinturtleton6525
    @franklinturtleton6525 6 місяців тому +266

    Goddamn Karl just going "I don't believe any of the bullshit this is straight up Jirard's fault," is WILD. Like Karl has an immovable moral compass and doesn't budge for any silver-tongued response.

    • @andrewjames7438
      @andrewjames7438 6 місяців тому +2

      When did he say that?

    • @franklinturtleton6525
      @franklinturtleton6525 6 місяців тому +44

      @@andrewjames7438 not a direct quote but Muta tried to offer up possible explanations and he shot down all of them.

    • @notyourdad9548
      @notyourdad9548 6 місяців тому +50

      @@franklinturtleton6525because the facts are all there. How do you bust your ass raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for years and not know where the money goes? Especially when he is so proud of this. He is a liar and that's it.

    • @DarkDyllon
      @DarkDyllon 6 місяців тому +51

      i respect that, he hears bullshit and shoots straight past it, he's straight up calling him out and in this case it works wonders.
      I love the contrast between Karl and Mutah though.
      Mutah is trying to make sense of it when there's no real good reason behind it.
      then you got Karl who is like "yeah, no, he's lying it's very clear, fuck him" (not a literal quote)
      you need someone who doesn't easily fall for bullshit, but you also need someone who can symphatise with someone.

    • @StoutShako
      @StoutShako 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@DarkDyllon Honestly, though this experience has once again shown me to never meet your idols, I do admire both of them for their unique ways of looking at the situation. At the end of the day, they're both solid dudes, doing what they can to inform and educate the public, and I wish them the best... Presuming it doesn't come out that Karl's been hacking Goldeneye for the past 20 years or some nonsense.

  • @okami283
    @okami283 6 місяців тому +1187

    Jirard: keep the family stuff to a minimum
    Also Jirard: but my mom...

    • @andyo1872
      @andyo1872 6 місяців тому +37

      Jirard : My mom and her spinal cord ...

    • @M3rtyville
      @M3rtyville 6 місяців тому +46

      pretty much "I want to keep my family out of this but my mom died."

    • @reeheehee9615
      @reeheehee9615 6 місяців тому +16

      The Completionist Story
      Starring Vin Diesel as Jirard Khalil

    • @NopeNaw
      @NopeNaw 6 місяців тому +32

      No one:
      Literally no one:
      Jirard: LOOK AT THIS AUTOPSY REPORT!

    • @hamishwilson9787
      @hamishwilson9787 6 місяців тому +20

      The fact that he keeps bringing up his mum as like a sympathise card to feel bad for him is just ridiculous

  • @shadowninja569
    @shadowninja569 6 місяців тому +386

    The dead silence when both and Karl and Muta say yea were going to go public with this.

  • @TheRealCarlBrutananadilewski
    @TheRealCarlBrutananadilewski 6 місяців тому +247

    I swear to god you can hear Jirard go through the 5 stages of grief in this call.

    • @TheBlackSeraph
      @TheBlackSeraph 6 місяців тому +21

      Pretty sure he went through bargaining at least twice.

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 5 місяців тому +6

      It felt like a Five staged boss fight between them and Jirard. LOL

    • @justinmartin4407
      @justinmartin4407 5 місяців тому +5

      The only reason he took this call is because he was trying to convince them not to release the information. He clearly wanted to bribe them, but he could tell they weren't into it. He asked several times what he could do for them and told them how great they were and how well respected they were. He constantly reminded them how much damage it would do to him and other innocent people.
      I wondered why he would take this call without a lawyer present, but after hearing the call, the reason he didn't have a lawyer present was because he was hoping to do something unscrupulous and he didn't want a lasting record. Here's a tip, never try to do something off the record with two reporters who are planning to do a story on you.
      This was an attempt to bury the story.

    • @TheBlackSeraph
      @TheBlackSeraph 5 місяців тому +1

      @@justinmartin4407 Listening to the full recording on SOG's channel is very interesting. Both SOG and Jobst seem to be more open to this being a simple act of incompetence in the call, but between when Jirard drops out of the call and then re-enters the discussion, Karl really shows he's not buying it, and is mostly not trying to scare Jirard off.

  • @bornugly6370
    @bornugly6370 6 місяців тому +91

    I know this was in the first video but it still baffles me how this man can say “we haven’t found a benefactor we are completely happy with” but felt completely happy name dropping organizations that would get people to donate. Every time I hear it I just shake my head man.

    • @haiden42
      @haiden42 6 місяців тому

      Jirad mentions he wanted someone who can come on and talk about what the money is doing. There are plenty of charities worth the donation but one that you can use to promote your organization are probably non-existent

    • @Steve-YT383
      @Steve-YT383 5 місяців тому +2

      And "finding" a worthy charity almost immediately after this call after 10 years of "searching".

  • @WitheredDayZz
    @WitheredDayZz 6 місяців тому +424

    Over half an hour of Jirard attempting to guilt trip Karl and Muta

    • @joshuaclark9545
      @joshuaclark9545 6 місяців тому +39

      Honestly I think it almost worked on Muta if Karl wasn't there to help ground him in the segment where Jirard's phone died

  • @ivancerecer5758
    @ivancerecer5758 6 місяців тому +1030

    I love how this call shows how reasonable Muta has been so far.
    When Jirard threatened to sue, Muta became the embodiment of;
    "You mistook my kindness for weakness!" *posts this*

    • @novaangle2183
      @novaangle2183 6 місяців тому +133

      @@gdizzzl Exposing someone for lying isn't a bad thing. They recorded the call probably in case something like this would happen and to keep facts straight. Remember, memory isn't infallible but recording are. Keep your receipts and you'll be covered for whenever you need them.

    • @justhaku9240
      @justhaku9240 6 місяців тому +68

      @@gdizzzl This is objectively an insane comment on more than a few levels. Lol
      And no im not one of the weirdos claiming "embezzlement, he was planning on stealing it all" or some other bull that not even muta believes, whats supposed to be the take away from that comment anyways? we should not expose obvious wrong? any type of exposing is a nefarious plot? please it doesnt make sense

    • @Someguy1a
      @Someguy1a 6 місяців тому +19

      @@gdizzzlah yes what evil devils they are. How dare they call him out for charity fraud

    • @kingbooomer9231
      @kingbooomer9231 6 місяців тому +33

      @@gdizzzlthey literally told Jirard it was being recorded and Jirard decided to speak anyways. This is not a secret from the parties involved, and Jirard decided to hang himself with the rope that was meant to claw him out of the hole he dug. I'm excited to see whether the Completionist can "complete" his promise on litigation because I'm more interested in that

    • @TheBestMCScavenger
      @TheBestMCScavenger 6 місяців тому +2

      Trap card activated

  • @border056
    @border056 6 місяців тому +67

    All I heard from Jirard in this interview was "How can I escape this and look good". That tells you everything you need to know right there.

  • @adept2134
    @adept2134 6 місяців тому +50

    For someone who claims they didn’t embezzle the money, jirard sure likes bringing up embezzlement

    • @cshaw112358
      @cshaw112358 6 місяців тому +4

      he wouldn't stop saying he took money from the foundation to cover expenses for indieland, but it was only a little and it it were "too much" he wouldn't caus that's not right... Karl was trying to clue him in on their better be some kinda connection there or else it would just be taking 401c3 money and using it for personal use (doesn't matter if the personal use is funding a different project) What he described was embezzlement and off the books... he should thank Karl for being able to get in front of it...

    • @TheLikkittysplitt
      @TheLikkittysplitt 5 місяців тому

      I can practically hear muta and Karl raise an eyebrow at this with their silence at those parts

  • @MrDSkinny
    @MrDSkinny 6 місяців тому +324

    Uploading the call itself with no additional commentary is some of the most based shit you could do. Much appreciated 👍🏾

    • @penguinjay
      @penguinjay 6 місяців тому +31

      agreed. Now the truth is actually out there and his simps can't play it off bc lack of context, he got caught in more lies and his true colors are on full display.
      Homie started talking like DSP lol. You can feel the desperation grow as the call goes on and then he winds up in near perfect DSP cadence, it's uncanny.

    • @ivancerecer5758
      @ivancerecer5758 6 місяців тому +11

      No sympathies when he threatens to sue them

  • @Azurious
    @Azurious 6 місяців тому +698

    It's honestly so incredibly impressive how objective and professional Karl is able to be and how seemingly effortlessly he's able to keep his emotions out of his work.

    • @dr.wolfstar1765
      @dr.wolfstar1765 6 місяців тому +22

      Yea but he's not a good interrogator. He kinda made jirad guarded right off the bat, instead of easing him into telling the full truth

    • @Azurious
      @Azurious 6 місяців тому +114

      ​​​@@dr.wolfstar1765actually causing people to be on guard is far better and in this caused Jirard to take a definite stance where either he stands his ground or falls which has lead to the investigation to go further without any confusion on what Jirard mean't. And especially in this scenario if Jirard didn't know what was up right away he could have easily backed out saying it was a misunderstanding in a casual conversation which would have made things tougher for further investigation.

    • @Themacattack1209
      @Themacattack1209 6 місяців тому +9

      That’s what happens when you deal with shitty people all the time lol

    • @matttran7161
      @matttran7161 6 місяців тому +31

      He's seen some stuff. Calloused and embittered after years of exposure.

    • @AwesomeReshiram
      @AwesomeReshiram 6 місяців тому +50

      him and muta have a good cop bad cop type of dynamic throughout this call. kind of interesting.

  • @LostAnkh
    @LostAnkh 6 місяців тому +41

    I'm actually glad that Muta got Karl into this, because I could tell he needed to have someone like that involved in this investigation and this call proved it. Seeing Muta feeling sympathetic and Karl immediately reminding him what's involved.

    • @zabustifu
      @zabustifu 4 години тому

      Isn't it the other way around? Karl got Muta involved.

  • @geo2262
    @geo2262 6 місяців тому +532

    This call proves how misplaced Jirards aggression was at the end of his response video. He for sure knows his career is over and was just lashing out which was such a childish move. It's very sad how he was someone who has seeming generated such a positive and prosperous space for indie developers while being the front for a foundation that lied about helping people who suffer from such a horrible disease.

    • @gyrthez246
      @gyrthez246 6 місяців тому +44

      It wasn't misplaced, it was actually really intentional. Re-watch Jirard's response after seeing this video. Now think of why he'd want to sue.
      My bet is that it's classic attempt at a SLAPP suit, where a whistleblower rings a public alarm bell and exposes somebody's bad actions in a matter of public interest and the person turns around and tries to use legal threats or legal action to intimidate the whistleblower into being quiet on it. Should be noted that in most countries this is seen as blatant misuse and abuse of legal systems.
      If you followed the CryptoZoo Coffeezilla saga, you'd recognize that move as the exact same one Logan Paul tried to pull in his response video.

    • @sadsatan..
      @sadsatan.. 6 місяців тому +29

      The thing is his career probably wasn't over. There are people who got away with much worse but because he decided to pull this shit afterwards instead of just apologising and proving himself to people he made shit 1000 times worse and actually looks like a scumbag.

    • @ninjafrog6966
      @ninjafrog6966 6 місяців тому +13

      @@gyrthez246and that attitude isn’t working on either karl or muta, and besides, karl is already in the midst of being sued by billy mitchell. does jirard really think legal threats are going to scare karl?

    • @Obi-WanKannabis
      @Obi-WanKannabis 6 місяців тому +21

      He could've kept some sort of career had he just admitted he fucked up, donated the money and said that due to his irresponsible running of the charity, that he would pass it on to someone else more responsible. But no. He proved that it wasn't just irresponsibility and or lazyness that caused this. He really had ill intent in all of it.

    • @onionheadguy7094
      @onionheadguy7094 6 місяців тому +10

      ​@@sadsatan..I agree. If he handled his response video with integrity and humility he could have been fine over time and continued to have a career. Of course things would never be the same but it's better than nothing.

  • @joro8693
    @joro8693 6 місяців тому +1089

    Hope the lawsuit threat was worth it jirard.
    So far from what I’m hearing is he is being heavily manipulative, has that crying tone but not actually crying and is trying to get them not to make the video as it will destroy his career, just a straight guilt trip.
    Muta sounded really conflicted by it but Karl wasn’t buying it and neither was going to back down but you can tell in the first couple videos that they treated him with such kid gloves and for him to change his tune from this apologetic sniveling to threatening lawsuits and saying he did nothing wrong shows it’s all an act.

    • @claireeebee
      @claireeebee 6 місяців тому +52

      Dude. For real.

    • @bigrigjoe5130
      @bigrigjoe5130 6 місяців тому +237

      For context, Karl's mum had just died (he talks about it on Twitter so I'm not spreading private news)
      So Karl was probably in a bitter mood and not taking Kindly to Jirard constantly bringing up his dead mom as a defense for what looks like fraud

    • @NotSeger
      @NotSeger 6 місяців тому +84

      He won't file a lawsuit. He would have to disclose all the documents concerning his charity in order to prove they are wrong.

    • @robotoboy30
      @robotoboy30 6 місяців тому +36

      Muta isn't really a journalist. He's a sensationalist drama-tuber. His presentation is usually riddled with digs, humor and overall very subjective bias. NOT TO DISREGARD his efforts in this, I'm sure he was integral. However Karl IS a journalist. He presents all of his findings as objectively and factual as he can. His goal is TRUTH, and while he makes jabs, and jokes here and there... the BULK of his content could be written as an article and read extremely professionally.
      So Karl was never going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He means business when he is investigating things.

    • @alfa563
      @alfa563 6 місяців тому +64

      considering Karl's mum died and he got PISSED during his video, more likely he knows deep down Jirard was using his dead mom to shield himself

  • @LoofaTroopa
    @LoofaTroopa 6 місяців тому +605

    I'm listening to this call now, and it is incredibly damning.
    The fact that Jirard even mentioned embezzlement or tax evasion in his response video honestly blows my mind. Multiple times throughout the call Jirard says, "there's no embezzlement" and Karl literally cuts him off and says, "yeah no one is insinuating that".
    It's obvious that Jirard got on the call to try and guilt trip Karl and Muta to not make videos because it was for a good cause in honor of his late mother. I mean he goes on a tangents throughout the whole call about the mouths to feed, how it's going to end him, and how he's just going to walk away. But the craziest thing is the tone change after he asks this question. Muta talks about how he is now uncomfortable with all UA-camr charities, Karl and Muta offer some sympathy saying it's not a simple situation, then Jirard responds with:
    "I take it you guys are deadset on making pieces about this?"
    And when they say yeah, the tone complete tone change Jirard has is incredible. He gets really quite, and says, "I guess that's it, I guess that's all she wrote" And you can just hear the absolute deflation in his voice. It feels like he's saying this both for the call, and for his channel, his career, Indieland, everything.
    Later Karl says, "If you're going to make another comment, make it more honest"
    Which we know that was not done.
    The "Any other fundraiser whether private or public I have nothing to do with" comment seems to come completely out of left field. And honestly, had it not been for this comment, I'm not sure Karl and Muta would've been as quick to look into the golf event.
    Towards the end of the video Jirard asks, "Do you guys have a timeline of when the videos will come out" so he can evaluate how much time he has to "force" the organization to donate the money (then followed up by some useless stuff about how he's walking away from everything). They don't give him a definite answer, but he then waited more than 2 weeks to make any donation.
    I'm glad Karl and Muta released this whole call because this really does paint a bigger picture, and is just more nails in Jirard's already buried coffin. Why he chose to say the things in his response video that he did make no sense. They tell him to be honest, make the donation, and you might be able to walk away. He does not do this, and threatens these two with lawsuits after they offer him sympathy in the call. Jirards true colors have been shown, and they're 50 shades of a manipulating liar.

    • @paulj6805
      @paulj6805 6 місяців тому +61

      Very well said. It's extremely telling how often he brings up random things out of nowhere, it's because he's thinking about those things. Also he appears to keep dropping hints at bribing them into silence. Plus the fear turned despair in his voice. It all reeks of waaaay more going on behind the scenes than just what we know.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola 6 місяців тому +48

      The more Jirard mentioned embezzlement while no one else did (at least until Karl's latest video where he describes a situation as textbook embezzlement, long after this convo and Jirard's response) makes me wonder more and more if it's embezzlement.

    • @ninavale.
      @ninavale. 6 місяців тому +31

      It's like in a missing person case, when cops are just asking basic questions, like what mood the person was in or if they had any troubles ect. And the person they're asking goes "I didn't do anything to them". Or in a case of murder, someone is just being asked about the victim's life and they go "I had nothing to do with it" when that option wasn't even on the table...

    • @MassKezEffect6
      @MassKezEffect6 6 місяців тому +29

      This call recontextulised the entire response video.

    • @forkyfork
      @forkyfork 6 місяців тому +39

      This was fantastically put. The whole reason Jirard made this call, was to convince the 2 guys not to make a video. that's all he cared about. they kept on telling him what he could to do to make It right, And what Gerard really wanted to say was "tell me what I should do to make it right so that you won't post this video" While he never outright said "don't make a video", he strongly implied it and kept on asking about it. I feel like if he wouldn't have made this call, He wouldn't be in such a big hole. I'm surprised his lawyers didn't intervene and say. "Don't make this call."

  • @emperoring112
    @emperoring112 6 місяців тому +114

    This is literally a perfect "Good Cop, Bad Cop" type of situation. Muta being the good cop, feeling empathetic and almost feeling sorry for Jirard where as Karl being the bad cop isn't letting the heart string tugging affect him and staying straight and direct on course. Really good choice for them to work on this together. Perfect dichotomy of interrogative personalities getting to bottom of the really fucked up situation.

    • @nicholasrossi5465
      @nicholasrossi5465 6 місяців тому +10

      that was my thought too. I've watched a good amount of police interviews and these two do the "mutt and Jeff" with more effectiveness and subtlety than a lot of trained interrogators ive seen.

  • @andrescardoso7731
    @andrescardoso7731 6 місяців тому +28

    Crazy to think that if Jirard didn't threaten them legally, this discord call would've never seen the light

  • @LockeTheCole
    @LockeTheCole 6 місяців тому +592

    Holy crap, Karl EVEN told him to donate it to ALL the organizations he promised the money was going to and he STILL only sent one lump sum to one of the charities.

    • @Azazelea
      @Azazelea 6 місяців тому +74

      I bet it was cos that WAS all the money LEFT lmao

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 6 місяців тому +54

      @@Azazelea Jirard could have slit the $600K up between multiple charities. Jirarad could have done as Karl suggested and donate to all the charities mentioned in the fund raisers.
      My theory of why he gave all the money to one charity is they figured out a way to get some sort of kickback from the charity. The charity he paid may hire a family member of the charity may hire Jirard to make them a video.
      A lot of shady charities get money from the charity account to personal accounts by hiring family members as "consultants."

    • @TheZeagon
      @TheZeagon 6 місяців тому +11

      ​@ddegn I thought half his defence was you need a big donation to not be wasted? I feel 600k to one is way better then split where it would just sit in a different bank for another 10 years

    • @janso7979
      @janso7979 6 місяців тому +31

      @@Azazelea Perhaps not even left. $600k was probably what they could scrounge together in a short period of time. I'd be shocked if Jirard produces a bank statement from before the drama began showing $600k in an Open Hand account.

    • @andyo1872
      @andyo1872 6 місяців тому +20

      If you know his tweet fomr the past, Jirard said he makes 600k A YEAR... Which means millions of dollars worth of donations are missing.

  • @KayFiOS
    @KayFiOS 6 місяців тому +912

    There are two positive things that came from this situation:
    1. [SOME of] the money got donated.
    2. Jirard isn't going anywhere near another charity.
    Edit: Okay, there was only one positive thing. There's still a lot of money missing.

    • @carlosvaldez3093
      @carlosvaldez3093 6 місяців тому +52

      jirard shouldve stopped with number 1 and just made an apology video but noooooooooo. he felt like he needed to flex on karl and muta.

    • @Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole
      @Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole 6 місяців тому +70

      Some of the money got donated. A lot is stil missing.

    • @mrthewhite2620
      @mrthewhite2620 6 місяців тому +15

      ​@@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpolehe SAID SOME of the money got donated.

    • @Lazrael32
      @Lazrael32 6 місяців тому +8

      but his family still will be involved in charity.

    • @numberonedad
      @numberonedad 6 місяців тому +22

      3. jirard and some of his family might be going to prison
      4. his frankly mediocre content will be reevaluated

  • @MeanSpread
    @MeanSpread 6 місяців тому +312

    I keep getting the feeling Jirard is low key offering a bribe for this to go away this entire call

    • @RafaelCarvalho2310
      @RafaelCarvalho2310 6 місяців тому +89

      He was testing the waters, to see what would catch. He tried money, wording it very carefully of course, to actually include the word "NOT" in there, but meaning the opposite of course. He tried guilt tripping them using motives such as family, other people under his care, himself and his public image, even offered them that he would simply walk away from everything, but they never fell for any of it. He could not simply ask them directly, so this indirect way of offering them a way not to come out with a video is very preceptible, at least for me it was, clear as day

    • @mewberthildimew9037
      @mewberthildimew9037 6 місяців тому +83

      He definitely was. You can tell because he keeps bringing it up, as if it somehow ISN'T an attempt at bribing just because he says it isn't. When he kept asking them what he should do going forward to avoid any sort of backlash, how this would ruin his image, he wasn't asking Muta and Karl for advice, he was asking what THEY wanted to make this all go away. That's why he sounds COMPLETELY UNINTERESTED when they advise him on what the next thing to do to make it right would be. Because he knows what he needs to do to make it right, he just doesn't care at all. You can tell by the tone in his voice that he doesn't CARE what they thing is the right thing to do, he wants to know what he should do to shut them up.

    • @oldmanbiscuit7518
      @oldmanbiscuit7518 6 місяців тому +26

      He's trying to emotionally manipulate his way out

    • @Blisterdude123
      @Blisterdude123 6 місяців тому +59

      "I'm not trying to be like do you guys want money..." is such a dementedly criminal thing for Jirard to say because there was LITERALLY nothing Muta or Karl said to prompt that. Jirard just whipped that out, courtesy of nothing, clearly trying to dangle it as a possibility to see if it'd take. The dude is a f ucking criminal.

    • @WasabiKitCat
      @WasabiKitCat 6 місяців тому +23

      It really gives away his mindset in this. It's all a numbers game to him, if Muta and Karl are going after him it must be because they want money by turning the "drama" (as he calls it) into content. If he offers them money, he can just give them enough to compensate for the ad revenue and then they won't have to make it public. He doesn't seem to believe this is a serious issue, and that the only reason they'd ever want to make him look like a bad person is because they want money. Everything is about who makes more money to him, which has troubling implications in a case of potential charity fraud.

  • @itsnotborker456
    @itsnotborker456 6 місяців тому +66

    "I was friends with jontron when he was a racist" is what killed everything he said for me. Snake, he is deflecting with bs drama

    • @LittleWeevil
      @LittleWeevil 3 місяці тому +1

      But fr tho who else remembers the racist jontron days? Grim.

    • @justaguy1071
      @justaguy1071 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@LittleWeevil Don't think he's changed. But who knows.

    • @aetherius6221
      @aetherius6221 2 місяці тому

      Jontron was incredibly based, mass immigration bad, diversity bad, but unfortunately he presented himself and his ideas poorly with no research and made a bit of a fool of himself, as he admits

    • @LittleWeevil
      @LittleWeevil 4 дні тому

      @@aetherius6221 Well personally I think horrible racist nonsense is bad no matter which way you cut it. I don't really care about how slick the rhetoric is.

  • @ralphmontez5321
    @ralphmontez5321 6 місяців тому +767

    Karl seeing through the bs emotional manipulation is insane. It's rough setting aside emotions to nail a story and he did it perfectly.

    • @BrainWasherAttendent
      @BrainWasherAttendent 6 місяців тому +47

      It’s very easy and if you have a modicum of discernment

    • @AlexPerez-tt9ru
      @AlexPerez-tt9ru 6 місяців тому +15

      ​@@BrainWasherAttendenti mean there are people saying that jihard was under duress in this call so there is that

    • @heykatlin
      @heykatlin 6 місяців тому +96

      Karl literally was not going for the bullsht at all. He knew the game Jirard was trying to play

    • @neros_soren
      @neros_soren 6 місяців тому +17

      Hind side is 20-20 eh? Also, who are you to claim that he wasn't honest and perfectly truthful in the call but realized that he had to weasel himself out of his truthful statements later?
      It's always so annoying to read statements of ppl, who are unable to see more than their own opinionated opinion.
      Karl didn't buy his emotions, because he was already angry about how he used his mother for all of it. So everyone stating "oh karl so rational bla bla" is just blind...he literally admits to this fact himself in his own video.
      Mutar just sympathized with him, because of the family drama, knowing that his career might be over, and all of it not being entirely his fault.
      It's just two people with two different opinions about the same person and situation..

    • @orllyfools14X8
      @orllyfools14X8 6 місяців тому +9

      You can tell Muta didn’t want to do any of this once he heard Jirads voice crack. It’s sad he wants to act like some kind of investigative journalist but be so chill about the person he’s investigating

  • @bloodmoonangel8925
    @bloodmoonangel8925 6 місяців тому +358

    Don't worry Muta, Jirard will take about a decade before he finds the right lawyer to file the lawsuit 😂

    • @leeweesquee
      @leeweesquee 6 місяців тому +13

      And pay in 10 years

    • @EmilianoGuerra
      @EmilianoGuerra 6 місяців тому

      lol nice one

    • @justmeok2
      @justmeok2 6 місяців тому +1

      Lmaoo, i'll give you an upvote at completionist speed

    • @theawesomeali8834
      @theawesomeali8834 6 місяців тому +1

      can you actually say something insightful instead and actually wait until more information from a legal professional is released? Obviously he lied and fucked up but he is ready for the audit and willing to cooperate. He still needs to do better and be more accountable. If he does come out innocent it will take a long time for him to earn our trust again. He should have done a better job at being transparent about where the money was going and if it was really donated. Too many people making comments like these dogpiling on him instead of actually giving constructive criticism. Keep in mind he had a very positive rep back then and never had any malicious intentions, with many developers and creators who know and respect him. At least some money got donated and some money was only put toward expenses to run the charity event, it could have been a lot worse (unless there is more information from legal professionals you can invalidate whatever I said)

    • @thehaloofthesun7174
      @thehaloofthesun7174 6 місяців тому +10

      @@theawesomeali8834 The Completionist is planning to sue Muta and Karl according to his video... Sorry but I don't see why OP has to hold back when Jirard himself isn't, legally. Practicing legal experts have looked at what's available and also concluded that Jirard has committed charity fraud in a documented way. Whether he had malicious intent or not is actually irrelevant when charged with charity fraud.

  • @TitanTed
    @TitanTed 2 місяці тому +5

    After this debacle, he's already come back out from under his rock and is acting like nothing ever happened.

  • @lovegais
    @lovegais 6 місяців тому +391

    Damn Karl has the strength to stick to the point and not fall for sympathy traps, he goes hard. Good on him I would not have the strength to do that

    • @preamstrikbiz0
      @preamstrikbiz0 6 місяців тому +10

      Karl on Jirad reminds me a lot of Adam on the Sidescrollers podcast back months ago not letting up on DSP

    • @stuballingerart
      @stuballingerart 6 місяців тому +33

      Its hard to use the death of a parent to guilt trip a dude who has lost both of his parents.

    • @Maca68
      @Maca68 5 місяців тому +2

      How DSP isn't in a call with these guys yet is astounding.

    • @StoutShako
      @StoutShako 5 місяців тому

      ​@@stuballingerart Exactly my thoughts

  • @davidgonzales9039
    @davidgonzales9039 6 місяців тому +481

    The fact that Muta and Karl gave him advice and Jirard turned on them with threats is insane!

    • @AlexPerez-tt9ru
      @AlexPerez-tt9ru 6 місяців тому +62

      They where going so easy on him too.

    • @wendynerd1199
      @wendynerd1199 6 місяців тому +27

      Hit dogs holler. Jirard is ungrateful AF because Karl and Muta were so classy about this initially.

    • @Ekim2F94
      @Ekim2F94 6 місяців тому +26

      In the end he wanted to clear everything up behind the scenes. What he TRULY cared about was his public image. As his public image is everything to him his money livelihood clout steaks you name it. To me what he was trying to do was insanely scummy. "Don't put this out it'll ruin me please." Then you shouldn't have done dirt to those that literally gave you THEIR money and livelihood.

    • @apackofhoboes
      @apackofhoboes 6 місяців тому +5

      ​@@AlexPerez-tt9ruGiving him softball questions. Every opportunity to save himself. Lol

    • @theawesomeali8834
      @theawesomeali8834 6 місяців тому

      what do you expect? of course his reputation is at stake, and Muta along with many others kept pressing further assuming the worst situation possible instead of giving him time to fix the situation and allowing for a legal investigation from the IRS, figure out what happened to the golf money, and be transparent with everything. Not trying to say muta’s research shouldn’t have happened, this situation needed to be brought to light. But other people went to dog pile on him instead of waiting for more information. If Jirard does turn out innocent, he still has a long way to go to earn our trust again and he needs to do better. He knows he lied but is ready for an audit so he can clear his name. Both sides here are at fault. Keep in mind money got donated and that is a net positive despite inflation, and money covered event expenses which is common, it could have been a lot worse. An audit and investigation would clear things up significantly.

  • @MentokTheMindTaker
    @MentokTheMindTaker 6 місяців тому +1037

    Lmao Muta is a sympathetic dude and Karl is just a savage

    • @ghostwalkergames7707
      @ghostwalkergames7707 6 місяців тому +112

      The good old classic good cop bad cop

    • @AzureViking
      @AzureViking 6 місяців тому +99

      Muta wants to give him the benefit of the doubt and is isn't calling him on his lies. Karl is just sick of him lying and deceiving and he doesn't buy any of it. He even calls him on it pretty much every time.

    • @Althexia
      @Althexia 6 місяців тому +19

      Empathetic. Sympathy is more about understanding because you've been there yourself.

    • @unorthodoxic4691
      @unorthodoxic4691 6 місяців тому +29

      @@Althexia Wait, I thought it was the other way around??

    • @DocRoc94
      @DocRoc94 6 місяців тому +6

      That’s cuz Karl is more interested in spreading hate than revealing the truth. His intentions are bad regardless of the outcome.
      Karl is just a despicable a person imo.

  • @wuztron
    @wuztron 6 місяців тому +133

    Again, again, again:
    As someone who has worked with several charities, both local and national, it is nowhere near as hard to make restricted donations, ESPECIALLY when you are in a partnership with them, as Jirard has claimed. Zero due diligence was done by Open Hand.
    In addition, no charity is ever going to tell you that tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars going towards their cause is going to waste.
    1. That's absurd.
    2. It won't.

    • @lydiazap7243
      @lydiazap7243 6 місяців тому +20

      It's so strange that Jirard expected people to believe that they offered donations to these charities but they replied, "no, that's not enough to matter." What charity would ever do that?

    • @matirion
      @matirion 6 місяців тому +1

      I wouldn't say NO charity would do that, there are some charities with absurd overhead... A certain charity in the EU got in trouble for having more than 90% overhead costs, because most of their funds went back into advertising campaigns and hiring people to go door by door (and a large payout for the CEO to boot for doing a good job with "record donations"). They were honest about it to their partners, but misrepresented it to the public. They justified it as "it helps us raise more", and apparently the companies that partnered with them (and got tax cuts from it) either bought into it or didn't care...
      But yea, in general, it would be hard to find a charity that bad, let alone not find any charity that's better.

    • @greninjaex4700
      @greninjaex4700 6 місяців тому +10

      Bro was like 600k+ is not enough lol what a 🤡

    • @hoonaignachowaneha
      @hoonaignachowaneha 5 місяців тому +3

      Yeah on that second point I have only ever heard the opposite of what Jirard claims, virtually every charity will scream from the top of their lungs *"EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS!"*
      Literally never heard of an organization that was "Meh, don't bother we only want big donations."

    • @cryhwks
      @cryhwks 5 місяців тому +1

      Exactly, it's such a illogical response that I wonder if he put his trust in someone from his family, and they fucked all this up. And he's trying to cover for them?

  • @taichi80
    @taichi80 6 місяців тому +73

    Throwing jontron and projared under the bus like that. What a guy. Passive aggressive deflection all around.

    • @candycoatedthorns2876
      @candycoatedthorns2876 6 місяців тому +23

      I don’t like either creator but the fact ProJared was trying to defend Jirard and this releasing showing that Jirad chucked him under a bus has gotta be rage inducing for ProJared. I’d be subtweeting ALL the dirty laundry after being made a clown like that

    • @darthgamer9861
      @darthgamer9861 6 місяців тому

      @@candycoatedthorns2876I get the feeling at this point Jared wants to stay out of this and continue his work. probably for the best

    • @pentexsucks43
      @pentexsucks43 6 місяців тому +18

      Him backstabbing Jared was sickening. Yeah projared is dumb for defending Jirard without looking at the evidence first, but damn is it sad that Jirard would take someone who is ride-or-die like that and discard them.

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 5 місяців тому

      @@pentexsucks43 Agreed. Granted, he was trying to defend his friend and not immediately jump on the "Fuck Jirard" bandwagon like many would given the incomplete info at the time but at the same time, not a good idea to support your friend unless you know they have receipts.

  • @goldmannation
    @goldmannation 6 місяців тому +140

    Jirard: "What do you guys want me to do?"
    Logic: "DONATE THE GODDAMN MONEY"

    • @bigdubskis8699
      @bigdubskis8699 6 місяців тому +6

      The rapper?

    • @derekrequiem4359
      @derekrequiem4359 6 місяців тому +6

      @@bigdubskis8699 IS THE MONEY BIRACIAL?

    • @Yipper64
      @Yipper64 6 місяців тому +4

      and while he did, it was *only* because of the pressure. And there's still a lot of unaccounted for money with the golf tournaments.

  • @Quick-Silver206
    @Quick-Silver206 6 місяців тому +207

    Jirard literally sounds like he's hyperventillating in panic over this.

    • @TheEvilRayquaza
      @TheEvilRayquaza 6 місяців тому +45

      Yeah, if I was in Jirard's shoes, I'd be in a panic too. Everything he had built over many years is now crumbling around him, that'd be terrifying to anyone really. Whatever he had built he won't be able to get back.

    • @Topboxicle
      @Topboxicle 6 місяців тому +20

      well yeah, he probably never expected anyone to actually look through his documents. If you were getting away with something (lets say an alleged crime) for an actual decade and two people pull up in your dms like 'we know what you did, we have proof and we're going public, this is just a curtesy' you would probably be in panic mode as well.

    • @averagejackmedia609
      @averagejackmedia609 6 місяців тому +29

      Dude spent a decade building a brand based around being a youtube G rated nice guy. He's absolutely screwed

    • @iblobliboo8501
      @iblobliboo8501 6 місяців тому +4

      @@TheEvilRayquaza That and he and the people involved with his charity could face prison time.

    • @tommyfanzfloppydisk
      @tommyfanzfloppydisk 6 місяців тому +1

      average reaction to play stupid games with stupid prizes

  • @tbx76
    @tbx76 6 місяців тому +38

    He's not having connection issues: he's talking to his family/legal team. Completely corrupt.

  • @itmehobo
    @itmehobo 6 місяців тому +74

    They literally told Jirard how to handle this situation, and he failed spectacularly. It's like 10x worse because of Jirard's horrible response.

  • @SecondBestArtMuseum
    @SecondBestArtMuseum 6 місяців тому +579

    "I was made aware in 2022 that the money hadn't been moved yet... That's not fucking cool," Really? It's not cool? But wait, I thought this was the plan all along? According to Jirard, the plan was always to look for a great charity and then donate it in one large lump sum. At least that's what he said in his latest, and allegedly last, response. So, which is it? Was he lying here about only finding out in 2022, or was he lying in his response about it always being the plan? Or, here's a twist, what if they're both lies? He knew long before 2022 that the money wasn't being donated, and he also wasn't planning on donating it to just one charity in one big payout.

    • @JustAFatGuyInTX
      @JustAFatGuyInTX 6 місяців тому +59

      Even so, he said that the money was being donated at Indieland this year. What he said both then and in this call confirmed him as a liar. Then we have the discrepancies with the golf tournament and so many more thanks to Jirard himself in that horrible apology video. I doubt he's going to see jail, but definitely going to be heavily fined by the government. Along with people like Jamie Lee Curtis who donated quite a bit of money to Open Hand. This is the beginning of a long legal battle Jirard and his family have set for themselves.

    • @TrippSC2
      @TrippSC2 6 місяців тому +37

      He clarifies later that it was his family's plan from the beginning, but he was not in on that plan. Even still, he's well aware that they were misleading people because (if one believes what he says in the call) he was misled himself. Regardless, he was continuing to mislead people after he became aware, so it really doesn't matter much.

    • @oneofnone7947
      @oneofnone7947 6 місяців тому +21

      He changed it from 21 to 22 very quickly as if to make it look not as bad

    • @Rietto
      @Rietto 6 місяців тому +17

      Jirard has also said in the past that his charity raises 600k PER YEAR. But he only just donated about that much in response to being called out. There's money missing, just going by his own words.

    • @RookMeAmadeus
      @RookMeAmadeus 6 місяців тому

      Things like this are why he really can't afford to sue Karl or Muta. All of this would become court record, and for him to prove they lied, he'd have to provide accurate records of all the money the Open Hand Foundation has ever received or spent in the last 10 years. That would pretty much make it a snap of the fingers to bust him for charity fraud.

  • @ApexGale
    @ApexGale 6 місяців тому +572

    All Jirard had to do was simple. Just say "you're right, I've been irresponsible, I will look to donate everything in the account within the month." That's it. Accept his mistake, apologize for it, and make amends. Not worry about his image and try to convince people not to release the story.

    • @dannyboots
      @dannyboots 6 місяців тому +9

      Yep, that muta been the right thing. I karl believe he didn't

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 6 місяців тому +3

      Except I think there might be something deeper with the family, either way he would have been just plan screwed.

    • @ApexGale
      @ApexGale 6 місяців тому +23

      @@Richforce1 i mean if he really was clever he could have turned the whole thing into more content for his channel. make a video coming clean, make videos having a call with several dementia charities, make a poll on twitter or something asking viewers which org they agreed with the most, make a video revealing he split the funds amongst all 3...
      i think ethically turning this into content would be wrong, but if he really wanted to he could have spun this into a positive PR move.

    • @RafaelCarvalho2310
      @RafaelCarvalho2310 6 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Richforce1he could still play the family card, saying there's a lot he could not disclose right now as to why it took so long to donate, because of it being a family matter, he would only simply concede they were right and that he would make it a priority to get it donated right away, and tell them that in the future he would come clean and explain it in a video, again, maintaining they're right and that the most important thing is to get the money donated. It was indeed that simple

    • @coyotejohenson7245
      @coyotejohenson7245 6 місяців тому +2

      MrCharity Inc DBA Beast Philanthropy doesn't even have their 990 forms publicly available which is a red flag if I've ever seen one.

  • @euj0
    @euj0 6 місяців тому +67

    Muta with the soft heart, and Karl with the iron heart. It's good they were together on this

  • @Zavyyn
    @Zavyyn 6 місяців тому +60

    The Completionist has 100%ed the social media life cycle, very impressive.

    • @orangejjay
      @orangejjay 6 місяців тому +4

      He's earned an all new title: Jirfraud the Conpletionist

    • @mathieul4303
      @mathieul4303 6 місяців тому +1

      @@orangejjay Jirard the con artist sounds better

    • @masoncooper8830
      @masoncooper8830 5 місяців тому

      I give it a completionist rating of Finish it!!!

  • @billcook4768
    @billcook4768 6 місяців тому +1607

    Note to self: Do not ever get on Karl’s bad side.

    • @hexywesky
      @hexywesky 6 місяців тому +363

      Note to self: don't commit charity fraud

    • @ectothermic
      @ectothermic 6 місяців тому +154

      @@hexywesky But I wanna! My mom died of boneitis. D:

    • @TheMantheon563
      @TheMantheon563 6 місяців тому +156

      As his viewers say; unless you broke a world record on a speedrun, you DO NOT want Karl to make a video about you lol

    • @prankmonkeyxs650
      @prankmonkeyxs650 6 місяців тому +4

      Stay away from speedrun then

    • @FEBRIZIOtv
      @FEBRIZIOtv 6 місяців тому +3

      @@ectothermic is that where she has bones in her pizza?

  • @johndeaux8815
    @johndeaux8815 6 місяців тому +420

    I just lost my grandmother to vascular dementia and it angers me to hear Jirard saying he doesn't want it going to anything "useless" when the end of life care is just as important as finding a cure. The end stages of dementia are so scary for the person going through it and making that experience as smooth as possible makes a world of difference for the families affected. I'd rather see people like my grandmother getting help from that money than seeing Jirards hip pocket being the main beneficiary.

    • @blakewhite3131
      @blakewhite3131 6 місяців тому +25

      And also to peoples paycheck, like OPEN HAND HAD PAYCHECKS TOO DESPITE NOT EVEN BEING A FUNCTIONING CHARITY!! At least if they initially donated it, it couldve gone to doctors paychecks rather than whatever they used it for. His concept of what is and isnt useful isn't applicable when the money he's donating isnt his. If YOU think your donation wont make a difference, fine, don't donate, but that doesn't give you the right to hold on to OTHER PEOPLES donations.

    • @sinfulpuritan3430
      @sinfulpuritan3430 6 місяців тому +17

      Literally almost, if not every expense for organizations researching a disease are important. Paychecks keep doctors, nurses, and researchers working there, fed, and healthy enough to keep working. End of life care keeps those at the end stages as comfortable as possible. The research helps to find out more about the disease and possibly find a cure. Everything is important. You may want to donate to one specific part, which is fine, but that doesn't make any other part any less important.

    • @johndeaux8815
      @johndeaux8815 6 місяців тому +10

      @@sinfulpuritan3430 exactly, he may not like "some nurse" getting a salary for providing hospice, but that nurse could provide some alternative care suggested from the family, and if it helps the patient, a case study can open the doors for new avenues of treatment. It's sickening how he just keeps jumping to the most plausible excuses without ever directly admitting guilt for what he knows he did wrong.

    • @Blitterbug
      @Blitterbug 6 місяців тому +8

      It's even worse than that because he stated many times that the money was directly helping with family support, EoL care, etc.

    • @user-kj2zr3qk2r
      @user-kj2zr3qk2r 6 місяців тому +1

      My papal has Deminta & is now living in a nursing home because we can't take care of him, we visit him weekly, so he doesn't forget us he it hurts me that the charity money didn't go anywhere while I didn't donate personally. I am sorry to the victims who Donated it is never ok to commit Fraud. I hope he can learn from this. He can be redeemed eventually but it hurts me seeing how it affects others.

  • @KouignAmann-qp7ss
    @KouignAmann-qp7ss 6 місяців тому +43

    dude was ready to throw ProJared who defended him under the bus lmao

    • @fuziontonygaming
      @fuziontonygaming 6 місяців тому +3

      ProJared is probably feeling pretty dumb right now.

    • @pentexsucks43
      @pentexsucks43 6 місяців тому +10

      That part was brutal. Even though projared was stupid for blindly defending jirard while not watching muta's video, the fact his friend that he'd defend so valiantly stabbed him in the back instantaneously. Jirard is cold

    • @KouignAmann-qp7ss
      @KouignAmann-qp7ss 6 місяців тому +3

      @@fuziontonygaming probably seething in his sailor moon cosplay as we speak

    • @robber233
      @robber233 5 місяців тому

      I'd laugh, but honestly it just kinda hurts to see. Jared probably knew it was possible but wanted to believe in his friend. And was rewarded with a stab in the back.
      It was a human reaction Jared made, plus he removed pretty quickly when he realized the evidence wasn't fluff.

    • @KouignAmann-qp7ss
      @KouignAmann-qp7ss 5 місяців тому +2

      @@robber233 Jared didn't have that humanity or tolerance when it was about Jontron, though.

  • @misfitmasks
    @misfitmasks 5 місяців тому +19

    My grandmother and my uncle died from dementia. So when this news broke out, it hit pretty close to home. Thank you both for covering this situation and bringing about change. It really means a lot to me, as I'm sure it does for many others.

  • @Saltbreather
    @Saltbreather 6 місяців тому +1647

    I gained a ton of respect for Karl after hearing this. Manipulators will try to tug at your heart strings, but Karl wasn’t having it. That’s called covering a story objectively.

    • @kamitorings
      @kamitorings 6 місяців тому +19

      eh, he wasnt really being objective, but compared to most journalists, yeah, pretty good.

    • @EnterTheNameHere_Bohemian
      @EnterTheNameHere_Bohemian 6 місяців тому +147

      @@kamitoringsOr maybe that's exactly what objective means but our view of "objective" got hijacked by people often having ulterior motives for selfish reasons we simply forgot it's about telling facts and letting viewer decide?

    • @EndorphinSauce
      @EndorphinSauce 6 місяців тому +10

      That was not objective lmao he hates jirard. He assumed jirard is the same as billy mitchell or other scam artists and never gave him a single benefit of the doubt, particularly when there’s not a real answer pending having to take more time than a discord call to go over all the numbers and accounts and the times Jirard personally funded IndieLand and when they used funds to cover costs, which according to Jirard were small costs compared to what they were raising.

    • @hotcupococoa
      @hotcupococoa 6 місяців тому +33

      I gave karl some shit about an ad. After hearing this. I deleted the comment and fully support him. Holyshit. Big respect to him and muta.

    • @EnterTheNameHere_Bohemian
      @EnterTheNameHere_Bohemian 6 місяців тому +102

      @@EndorphinSauce You realize that Completionist never shown any receipt about him personally financing anything, so that is just another "believe me bro" from him? I don't know how much more objective can you be if what you say actually ends up being correct.

  • @RonanStreamkiller
    @RonanStreamkiller 6 місяців тому +837

    When begging didn't work, Jirard threatened them with lawsuits. People who defend him are delusional at best.

    • @EdwardGutierrez90
      @EdwardGutierrez90 6 місяців тому +51

      call them out...BeatEmUps is the most disappointing youtuber to me because I actually enjoy his content and I thought he was a decent fellow but F that guy now

    • @ClayMann
      @ClayMann 6 місяців тому +22

      well he first tried to copyright strike the videos and when that failed they went silent for a bit then out came the threats and pity plee video. And then threats came from others in the family of legal action on reddit i believe. They could not have handled this any worse.

    • @vincevirtua
      @vincevirtua 6 місяців тому +17

      The people defending him are his way inclined deep down is why. Especially other 'content creator' types.

    • @juancharley3203
      @juancharley3203 6 місяців тому +23

      41:23 did anybody find it odd that he mentioned he has nothing to do with any open hand foundation stuff besides indieland? Like he knew to distance himself from the rest of the foundation

    • @josecardona839
      @josecardona839 6 місяців тому +19

      @@juancharley3203 he was part of the board according to his own response video.

  • @horizonkage
    @horizonkage 6 місяців тому +19

    I find the comment "ive got 20 mouths to feed" egregious.

  • @edwardserfontein4126
    @edwardserfontein4126 6 місяців тому +80

    You can tell Muta is a very kind and forgiving person. Just an awesome person. Bless his heart.

    • @Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective
      @Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective 6 місяців тому +12

      Yeah, it really does seem like he wanted to give Jirard the chance to resolve it at his own discretion but alas he responded like a 6 year old and further condemned himself and his family.

    • @QF_Dan72
      @QF_Dan72 6 місяців тому +11

      True. Muta gave the chances to let that fraudster explain but he still refused to come out clean

    • @AustrianReaper
      @AustrianReaper 6 місяців тому +4

      They have a really impressive good-cop-bad-cop-routine going

  • @tking2199
    @tking2199 6 місяців тому +336

    I feel uncomfortable that Muta and Karl tried so hard to mouth feed Jirard a valid legal excuse for this problem, and yet this man had the audacity to basically spit in their face and say no I can feed my self and proceeds to make a mess.

    • @chaosinc.382
      @chaosinc.382 6 місяців тому +24

      "I can feed myself!" [Gives himself *food poisoning* ]

    • @zenoblues7787
      @zenoblues7787 6 місяців тому +25

      They were giving him the benefit of the doubt. Especially as he claimed the money was still there. It was better that the money was donated, and he owned up to his mistakes.
      Instead, he donated some of the money. Lied about things in his response. And threatened to sue them over their proven allegations.

    • @avikellerman4539
      @avikellerman4539 6 місяців тому

      @@zenoblues7787 That's the thing. The allegations aren't "proven" as you say. They are alleging theft/embezzlement. Yet the funds were essentially untouched for 10 years. Save for a some administrative costs that made up a low %. All charities have administrative costs so that isn't proof of any crime or intent.
      It's a fishy and complicated situation. Yes it's suspicious he held onto the funds and didn't donate them. Could have been planning to take it all for himself down the line. And he certainly lied about certain stuff. At the same time, if somebody is a thief and scammer....Leaving THAT big of an amount essentially untouched for 10 years takes A LOT of restraint. If someone was planning to steal it, why would they have waited all these years? Wouldn't they think after a year or two or three that nobody has caught on yet and start taking the money because they thought they were in the clear? It's hard to prove intent with certainty when the money was just sitting there. Had half of it been missing or something then the picture becomes much clearer. But it wasn't. It just sat there, but he lied about making donations. It's possible he was waiting for a sizeable amount to make a big "restricted" donation.

    • @RonixEnclave
      @RonixEnclave 6 місяців тому +2

      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

    • @FilmsYouHate
      @FilmsYouHate 6 місяців тому +7

      @@RonixEnclave never attribute malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity *the first time*.

  • @manimanistatue
    @manimanistatue 6 місяців тому +416

    You guys went so easy on him with the parts you included of the call in the original videos honestly, crazy that he tried to threaten you AFTER this

    • @numberonedad
      @numberonedad 6 місяців тому +74

      and people said those were just the bad parts, turns out they were actually the good parts

    • @carlosfred8673
      @carlosfred8673 6 місяців тому +38

      They tried to give him a chance. But his ‘Apology’ had them drop the nukes.

    • @apackofhoboes
      @apackofhoboes 6 місяців тому +10

      They gave him softball questions and he couldn't hit them. Just immediately went to defense.

    • @pilgrimspromise1132
      @pilgrimspromise1132 6 місяців тому +2

      It is wild. They were honestly such gentlemen about it originally

  • @supersardonic1179
    @supersardonic1179 6 місяців тому +36

    You can just hear the anger in Karl's silence throughout this call.

  • @Scojo486
    @Scojo486 6 місяців тому +165

    I think what's so hard for many his friends and fans is that admitting Jirard is a manipulative, lying, fraudulent conman also means admitting that they fell for his facade of being the caring, thoughtful, generous philanthropist that he's been successfully projecting for years. It doesn't feel good to be made a fool of, and to have your opinion of someone you once respected be shattered so violently. It's so much easier to believe that his accusers don't know what they're talking about, or that everyone is just cancel hungry, or that Jirard is just a clueless victim of his family's wrongdoings and toxic drama seekers. We need to try to remember that anyone defending him, especially his close personal friends, are not the ones who committed these crimes, were not complicit in these crimes, and do not deserve the hate and ridicule that's being directed at them for struggling to accept the truth. They are simply having a hard time accepting that they were so wrong about someone that meant so much to them.

    • @darthgamer9861
      @darthgamer9861 6 місяців тому +16

      100 percent this

    • @Blisterdude123
      @Blisterdude123 6 місяців тому +16

      This is the major reason why criminal and frauds get away with it for so long. The people around these figures start to feel guilty by association, even if it's unwarranted. By defending him, they're mistakenly trying to defend themselves.

    • @preamstrikbiz0
      @preamstrikbiz0 6 місяців тому +2

      I’m sorry soon as I saw wulff den was barking at his audience to defend Jirad, I unsubbed to him immediately and I never really liked Bob but he finally started growing onto me out of all of those clowns in that group like beatemups and all those overly positive G rated content creators . It does show how they all roll . Its a shame

    • @PrismTheKid
      @PrismTheKid 6 місяців тому +7

      If you're unsure, don't take stands. By making a choice to defend withholding of charity money you're actively telling all the people who donated that money that they're wrong for feeling betrayed.
      If you're that devoted to doing right by your friend you need to look at all available evidence and do your due diligence, not just instantly clap back. I'm sure Jirard would forgive a gaming youtuber friend of his for not getting involved

    • @mathieul4303
      @mathieul4303 6 місяців тому

      The thing for me about this drama being overblown is that he didn’t donate the money but the money is not gone. He just needed to donate it. It wouldve been worse if he used all of the money imo

  • @WertySensei
    @WertySensei 6 місяців тому +358

    I love how absolute Karl is with these things. He does not candy coat shit and that's how you have to handle underhanded people.

    • @scottydu81
      @scottydu81 6 місяців тому +37

      You’re telling me that I really AM an absolute legend? 😮😃

    • @heykatlin
      @heykatlin 6 місяців тому +35

      Exactly and he does not feed into emotional manipulation at all. The facts are the facts.

    • @GuranPurin
      @GuranPurin 6 місяців тому +24

      Aussie VS Canadian in a nutshell

    • @Mantekilla22
      @Mantekilla22 6 місяців тому +2

      100 percent

    • @pilgrimspromise1132
      @pilgrimspromise1132 6 місяців тому +13

      I didn't know anything about Karl or muta before this but this debacle made a new fan

  • @OldVetNerdSage
    @OldVetNerdSage 6 місяців тому +141

    Jirard speedrunning "hero to villain story arc" like a pro.

    • @tallestrose
      @tallestrose 6 місяців тому +15

      He's not just speedrunning it, he's completing it, too

    • @M3rtyville
      @M3rtyville 6 місяців тому +3

      he completed the charity fraud section

    • @MrREDSTAR20
      @MrREDSTAR20 6 місяців тому

      The road to jail speed run any% lol

    • @cantsuggestareasonablename9101
      @cantsuggestareasonablename9101 6 місяців тому

      He’s “the nice guy” though.

    • @JokerP5
      @JokerP5 6 місяців тому

      gotta make sure he gets that plat trophy

  • @Pureobjectivetruth
    @Pureobjectivetruth 4 місяці тому +6

    It's not just Jirard. This goes way deeper than Jirard.

  • @cuttysharp
    @cuttysharp 6 місяців тому +16

    That passive aggressive offer to bribe was wild.

  • @jacobwatson5484
    @jacobwatson5484 6 місяців тому +648

    This call proves you and Karl went incredibly easy on and kind to him. You gave him the time, space and courtesy to respond and make amends the best way possible. You were more than fair in your reporting of this. Truly classy handling of the situation guys. Too bad Jirard went the total opposite route and let his ego and a shit lawyer tank his career. If he had handled it better I think his channel would have survived. But after his response and all of this call coming out I think he’s done.

    • @pilgrimspromise1132
      @pilgrimspromise1132 6 місяців тому +5

      True gentlemen

    • @axelmok498
      @axelmok498 6 місяців тому +7

      Nah, if Logan Paul can scam his fans back to back, and they still give him millions of views.
      Jirad should be fine aslong as he continues to provide good quality videos.

    • @beesod6412
      @beesod6412 6 місяців тому

      that's what really depresses me. @@axelmok498

    • @Tigatron1448
      @Tigatron1448 6 місяців тому +4

      ​@@axelmok498uh... no, those aren't even close to being equivalents. Logan Paul is a much bigger UA-camr with a following that is primarily younger. They'll continue to watch him because they're obvious to his scam BS or simply don't care. He can handle losing millions of subs. Jirard's audience is much different and while I think he absolutely could come back from this... how he chose to handle the situation will make that much more difficult.

    • @Say_Irish_Wristwatch
      @Say_Irish_Wristwatch 6 місяців тому +1

      tbh, I don't think there's any version of this playing out where Jirard could have kept the bulk of his channel and followers. Even if he came clean to everything and apologized immediately, he still committed charity fraud for a decade. That's not a "Oh, everyone makes mistakes" kinda thing, that's a "This guy tried to steal exorbitant amounts of charity money and he is absolute scum that can never be trusted ever again" kinda thing.

  • @notribadsvault
    @notribadsvault 6 місяців тому +142

    I love how he mentions ProJared and Jontron as if their controversies don’t pale in comparison to his at this point. And even funnier that Jared beclowned himself again for this dude.

    • @khairulanam7777
      @khairulanam7777 6 місяців тому +50

      The irony of ProJared quickly defending Jirard then make a quick u-turn....

    • @uttrik
      @uttrik 6 місяців тому +34

      ​@@khairulanam7777 That initial tweet he made was something else. "I didn't watch the video, but..." Like, really dude? After what you went through?

    • @Zerovin
      @Zerovin 6 місяців тому +1

      @@khairulanam7777did he really backtrack from his original tweet on the matter?

    • @toooydoeur
      @toooydoeur 6 місяців тому +4

      idk, jontron outed as a racist is pretty bad as well

    • @maxspecs
      @maxspecs 6 місяців тому

      Iunno, would you really say this is worse than denouncing an entire subset of humans or dating a minor?

  • @CaptainSpanky96
    @CaptainSpanky96 6 місяців тому +279

    The fact people still think Muta and Karl were in the wrong and threatened them over it really drains my remaining faith in humanity.

    • @KentzHodiono
      @KentzHodiono 6 місяців тому +20

      Relax, it's just a vocal minority. (I hope)

    • @Lunios
      @Lunios 6 місяців тому +19

      honestly still disgusting to see that jirad literally probably spent thousands of “charity money” on 3DS and Wii-U Games

    • @greninjaex4700
      @greninjaex4700 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Luniosu can't be serious💀

    • @Lunios
      @Lunios 6 місяців тому

      @@greninjaex4700 he genuinely spent 22k on eshop cards to buy every eshop game for archival reasons, there’s no way the money didn’t come from that pot. could be wrong but that’s how it seems

    • @NoMansLand98
      @NoMansLand98 6 місяців тому

      Yes, well, we surely should always support scammers and their ventures...

  • @DHilly95
    @DHilly95 6 місяців тому +42

    Jirard dragged Jontron and ProJared without hesitation to deflect from his own issues. Supposed friends of his at least at one time. Pretty fucked if you ask me

    • @hinachan70
      @hinachan70 6 місяців тому +18

      Especially after ProJared posted to defend him. Yikes

    • @vermilionshadow
      @vermilionshadow 5 місяців тому +1

      All three of them were a part of Normal Boots so I'm not surprised their names eventually got brought up in some way. I find it pretty fucked as well.

  • @diegofloor
    @diegofloor 6 місяців тому +490

    Listening to the whole call you can tell that Muda and Karl were exceedingly generous when showing the original edits of this call. They were more than professional, they were sympathetic even. You don't see many journalists taking these steps to not make the person look terrible.

    • @charliekelly735
      @charliekelly735 6 місяців тому +5

      They aren't journalists, they're UA-camrs

    • @ImSidgr
      @ImSidgr 6 місяців тому +23

      @@charliekelly735what’s the difference?

    • @xshobux
      @xshobux 6 місяців тому

      ​@@charliekelly735those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive just fyi

    • @blakemeyering9545
      @blakemeyering9545 6 місяців тому +64

      @@charliekelly735 sure but what they're doing is by definition journalism

    • @charliekelly735
      @charliekelly735 6 місяців тому +5

      @@ImSidgr One of them you have to study at a school for and need a degree in. The other one is a career based around shilling sponsorships and getting involved in drama. Btw I'm not trying to defend Jirard's actions but the Karl and Mutahar dickriding needs to stop, especially after Muta's habit of DMCAing videos in the past.

  • @karite2
    @karite2 6 місяців тому +666

    It's still wild to me that Jirard didn't just apologize in his video and promise to do better and instead wanted to further escalate his crimes. Insanity.

    • @Boiled_Pizza
      @Boiled_Pizza 6 місяців тому +4

      Once your mistake is made known by the internet there's no apologizing. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, so the only thing you could do is making sure you're not making any mistake that'll bite you in the future in the first place

    • @dennishiestermann3055
      @dennishiestermann3055 6 місяців тому +54

      @@Boiled_Pizza i mean he could've atleast mended the situation a bit. By apologizing and just straight up donating the money asap and quitting any future fund raisers.

    • @LegateSprinkles
      @LegateSprinkles 6 місяців тому +47

      ​@Boiled_Pizza Definitely feel like he couldve licked his wounds and recovered. Just accept the L, claim the accountability, promise to do better and in the very next time he attempted this be completely 100% open on it. Yea he wouldve still lost trust with people but he definitely couldve repaired it over time by just saying "hey I am a complete idiot who fucked up and I want to make this better" and prove it. Things wont 180 but repairing trust takes time

    • @numberonedad
      @numberonedad 6 місяців тому +13

      his whole family's in on it, he's going down with the ship

    • @numberonedad
      @numberonedad 6 місяців тому +8

      @@Boiled_Pizza nah he coulda immediately donated a very large sum and apologized and he'd have less heat on him now
      would probably still get audited anyway though so doesn't really matter

  • @JDizzle785
    @JDizzle785 5 місяців тому +61

    It’s notable how talkative and “woe is me, how can I make this right?” Jirard is until they explicitly tell him they are going public with the story and then suddenly he has nothing to say and responds to their advice on how to move forward and make it right with “yeah”.
    Jirard doesn’t give a shit about anything except the fact he got caught and anyone still believing him is a sucker.
    It’s also notable that he tells multiple conflicting stories in one short call with “I had no idea and was pissed when I found out” to “We were trying to pool enough donations together for one big donation” to “We weren’t happy with any of the charities we found”. So obvious that he is just throwing shit at the wall hoping to cover his ass

  • @RIPSLYMEFAN
    @RIPSLYMEFAN 6 місяців тому +24

    It’s so funny how Discord issues happen during confrontations

    • @FullMoonOctober
      @FullMoonOctober 6 місяців тому +10

      He sounded like he was working himself into a panic attack, so maybe he needed a minute to breathe (or work on his story). Came back on for a second and realized they were still talking about how bad it is, then off he went for another minute. Almost comedic.

  • @heykatlin
    @heykatlin 6 місяців тому +246

    I love how Muta and Karl were super kind and even gave him so much grace and advice and after every piece of advice all Jirard kept saying was “soooo y’all still gonna make that video or..?” Like he did not care about this issue beyond himself. he just wanted to know if he worked his sympathy card to his benefit and got one over on these two. Very egotistical

    • @Mantekilla22
      @Mantekilla22 6 місяців тому +18

      Yup 33:34

    • @Themacattack1209
      @Themacattack1209 6 місяців тому +37

      I loved the “Guys I’m not asking you if you’re okay with me paying you money to not go through with this. That would be pretty silly, right haha but seriously, y’all down with it, or…?”

    • @penguyen25
      @penguyen25 6 місяців тому +14

      That's exactly what I gathered from the call as well. Jirard the Conpletionist is super self centered and only worried about his image and his company. Not once did he mention how it affected his fans or community who were the people who gave him the opportunity to be successful on UA-cam. And yet some of his fans still defend him.

    • @darthvader3742
      @darthvader3742 6 місяців тому +6

      He is very egotistical and I also think there are some damming things that he doesn't want coming to light.

    • @apackofhoboes
      @apackofhoboes 6 місяців тому +6

      All he cared about was his image. And then when they posted a friendly version of this call, he decided to double down and sue them, that forced Muta to lay down his hand to be like, "Lol Jirard is a bastard."

  • @IIMoses740II
    @IIMoses740II 6 місяців тому +616

    Karl at 44:12: "I won't do anything that you'll find completely disrespectful"
    Karl after being completely disrespected: "What a pathetic b*tch"

    • @safi6749
      @safi6749 6 місяців тому +77

      Legend

    • @Otticon
      @Otticon 6 місяців тому +135

      My jaw dropped hearing Karl say that. But it was earned at that point. They interviewed him, they actually censored the worst parts to give him the chance to step forward and take the reigns of this exposure and to handle it himself. He would have looked so much better if he just bit the bullet and started working on how to make it right. Instead he spat in their face. Grovels, begs and insinuates bribing them in the call, then turning around and acting like they were being malicious towards him.

    • @mainboysmusic6985
      @mainboysmusic6985 6 місяців тому +16

      Yeah he wasn't gonna do anything disrespectful in just his first video. Things escalated astronomically after that and more of the truth about Jirard was revealed, so their videos after that first one weren't upheld to their original agreement.

    • @safi6749
      @safi6749 6 місяців тому +12

      @@mainboysmusic6985 I feel like Jirard didnt know that the call was being recorded or forgot entirely.Hence,he thought he could still twist the narrative more than what Muta and Carl would allow him to

    • @mattimeikalainen6963
      @mattimeikalainen6963 6 місяців тому +2

      @@safi6749 depending on their states/ canadas laws, jirard might have had to know.

  • @kevinmilligan4458
    @kevinmilligan4458 6 місяців тому +40

    After those “tech issues” he came back a little more confident. Must have talked with his lawyer or consulted with someone before returning.

    • @nazgulsenpai
      @nazgulsenpai 6 місяців тому +9

      If he had talked to a lawyer at any point before or during this, they would have told him to STFU and say NOTHING ELSE.

    • @Diamond1234548
      @Diamond1234548 6 місяців тому +16

      I can't believe he pulled the classic "online class conection issues" trick so shamelessly lmao

    • @kevinmilligan4458
      @kevinmilligan4458 6 місяців тому +2

      @@nazgulsenpai I think when he kept disconnecting he was talking to someone. You’re correct though so it probably wasn’t a lawyer but family member at that point.

  • @joshua.snyder
    @joshua.snyder 5 місяців тому +12

    5:55 "I am trying to get out content creating" Wish granted.

  • @matthewness435
    @matthewness435 6 місяців тому +635

    I gained a lot of respect for Muta listening to this. Muta tried to have mercy on him

    • @oscarmonsalve9854
      @oscarmonsalve9854 6 місяців тому +42

      Usually muta speaks strongly about punishing people that do wrong things and i think here is no different, the difference is that he is being cautious to not fk up and seek the truth, for me is the being smart while seeking the truth that makes this situation so good

    • @kristoffer8609
      @kristoffer8609 6 місяців тому +108

      Meanwhile I gained respect for Karl. He wasn't having none of this guys manipulative shenanigans or lies. He knew the game being played.

    • @ehsanghazavi470
      @ehsanghazavi470 6 місяців тому

      nobody cares@@kristoffer8609

    • @theawesomeali8834
      @theawesomeali8834 6 місяців тому +11

      Muta was fortunately lenient and gave him the benefit of the doubt but didn’t do too much of a good job in the 3rd video and the video after Jirard’s response. Still, Muta did a good job overall highlighting the situation with missing golf money and telling Jirard he needs to do something and he only wants answers, nothing else. Karl didn’t give him a chance and instead assumed the absolute worst, overblew this situation, and now people are dogpiling Jirard with cancel culture instead of them and Karl actually letting higher authorities investigate the situation

    • @WarGhoulKharas
      @WarGhoulKharas 6 місяців тому

      ​​@@theawesomeali8834 Go away.

  • @fable23
    @fable23 6 місяців тому +120

    I lost both my aunt and my grandmother to two different forms of dementia. Even worse, by a cruel twist of fate, they were both affected at the same time. Grandma was old, and got hit with Alzheimers, and aunt got hit with FTD like Jirard's mom. It's remarkable and painful how different they are; Alzheimers taking memory first while leaving function largely intact, a perfectly normal-looking, sweet old lady who had no recognition in her eyes when she looked at me. FTD did the opposite, first taking away my aunt's ability to communicate, to care for herself, but leaving her memory for last; a woman who couldn't speak or go up even a single stair without help, but whose eyes lit up with joy every time she saw me, until the end.
    A mother and daughter both slowly disappearing, their minds being eaten away from opposite ends while their family watched, helpless. I will never forget how it felt to watch them go. So I speak with some authority when I say that the way Jirard is using his mother as a tool of emotional manipulation and a shield against criticism? It makes me _sick._

    • @laz7777
      @laz7777 6 місяців тому +9

      Sorry you had to go through that. It's exceedingly frustrating to know that all this money didn't go to research because there are so many potential discoveries/treatments that could have been accelerated along with it.

    • @ladyj.9350
      @ladyj.9350 6 місяців тому +3

      Lost my grandad to ftd and had no idea it was dementia until the end because his memory wasn’t bad or anything. He just got increasingly violent, impulsive and irrational

    • @vealchop2490
      @vealchop2490 6 місяців тому

      You speak with authority? is that your definition? Cause you also seem to speak without human empathy. What a weird move to use your family members as a point of connection with someone in a similar situation, only to use it as a hall pass to pile on a guy… ball-less hypocrite.

    • @daruddock
      @daruddock 6 місяців тому +10

      ​@@vealchop2490what?

    • @MarcusFenix50
      @MarcusFenix50 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@vealchop2490 This guy deserves all the piling on he's getting. Quit your grandstanding.

  • @KanalDerGutenSache
    @KanalDerGutenSache 6 місяців тому +11

    I find it noticable that Jirard almost stuttered out his words before disconnecting and rapidly spew out several points after reconnecting

    • @deltasaves
      @deltasaves 5 місяців тому +2

      He was ducking and dodging so he could make up a story. If he really has nothing to do with these issues, he need to make those who were boots on the ground for that held to the fire.

  • @Cybershroom
    @Cybershroom 6 місяців тому +15

    Jirard pulled the Jontron card, I'm fucking dying.

    • @FullMoonOctober
      @FullMoonOctober 6 місяців тому +3

      Projared, too. That's kind of funny, in context.

  • @jacksonbell3458
    @jacksonbell3458 6 місяців тому +210

    I can’t wait for Jirard’s friends and fans to ignore this and keep blindly defending him

    • @TheLastImperial88
      @TheLastImperial88 6 місяців тому

      Absolutely. They'll deflect then go to the tried and tested method of calling everyone a n*zi or right wing or racist. Pick your victim card word soup

    • @DigitalGamerPixel
      @DigitalGamerPixel 6 місяців тому +23

      What's interesting is I was a Jirard fan. He posted his video and I looked into just what he was responding to and it became obvious he's full of it. Unsubbed from him and subbed to SomeOrdinaryGamer instead after watching these videos about the truth of things.

    • @averagejackmedia609
      @averagejackmedia609 6 місяців тому +17

      He's already been dropped from the "friends per second" podcast. These friends are cutting him out like a cancer.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola 6 місяців тому +29

      @@DigitalGamerPixel I'm also a former fan. I'm also someone who lost their grandfather to self deletion during one of his states of dementia and so learning about this was not only sickening, it just flat out broke my heart. The fact that he's been using his mother's name to deflect from all this just adds even more insult to injury.

    • @justhaku9240
      @justhaku9240 6 місяців тому +5

      @@averagejackmedia609 < Someone whos never seen an episode of FPS or listened to the 2m of them addressing it
      And no before you go assuming things i dont support jirard, im just a fan of FPS and everyone on the pod

  • @extremelyhappysimmer
    @extremelyhappysimmer 6 місяців тому +171

    "The way you were saying that it made it seem like we were moving money around and it's not true." Bro literally no one said that. The way this man projects is insane. Hope he gets audited.

  • @manrisakirisame3505
    @manrisakirisame3505 6 місяців тому +5

    Dude sounds like he'd just been called into HR after being caught hoarding employee lunch vouchers.

  • @workingclassfather1843
    @workingclassfather1843 4 місяці тому +6

    You can tell Muta is really caring, and Karl is, "I DONT GIVE AF!!" 😂

    • @goodguyrobert
      @goodguyrobert 4 місяці тому +1

      I’m glad Karl stuck with his guns, as it turned out he was lying.

    • @workingclassfather1843
      @workingclassfather1843 4 місяці тому +1

      @@goodguyrobert 100% agree

  • @quiet451
    @quiet451 6 місяців тому +291

    The whole call is nuts. One of my favorite points is when he says "I don't want the money to just go to some doctor's salary". Isn't that exactly what the money should be going towards? Some PhD trying to find a cure??

    • @chillgamingh
      @chillgamingh 6 місяців тому +101

      He thinks the money is going straight to a petri dish called " Dementia"

    • @rorolmoney
      @rorolmoney 6 місяців тому +8

      there is not just one PhD that will "solve" dementia thats not how cures work, and that is a legit concern donating to certain charities that it goes to just one top brass. He's made a lot of bad calls but that part ain't the damning one

    • @TriloByte101
      @TriloByte101 6 місяців тому +1

      weed fixes dementia... 😮it does actually and small amount of shrooms... calmer nerves etc

    • @alexnorth2452
      @alexnorth2452 6 місяців тому +81

      ​@@TriloByte101a charity scam is not the place to be promoting weed, get a grip on reality for once please

    • @supersardonic1179
      @supersardonic1179 6 місяців тому +5

      @@rorolmoney Difference between a researcher conducting actual research and some CEO overseeing operations.

  • @markvergara
    @markvergara 6 місяців тому +245

    The part where Jirard asks if Karl and Muta are definitely covering it feels so telling. Like he realizes that he’s caught and it’s over.

    • @kamitorings
      @kamitorings 6 місяців тому +13

      well you'd be terrified, no matter whether you are lying or not, it's like saying you look nervous in an interrogation room, you must be guilty, you're not really understanding how humans work under pressure, guilty or not you'll fold if pressured long enough.

    • @sheriffwolf736
      @sheriffwolf736 6 місяців тому +19

      ​@@kamitoringsYou are absolutely right. However, what the original commenter meant (I think) is that since we definitely know he's lying, him being worried about his reputation is very telling of his character. It's not that (I hope not) people believe that he's lying simply for being nervous. No, a mountaintop of evidence proves his guilt. His desperate attempt to gag Karl and Muta is just disgusting given the facts.

    • @Mantekilla22
      @Mantekilla22 6 місяців тому +14

      He only cares about himself and his image. Not the people he wronged

    • @TheoJay615
      @TheoJay615 6 місяців тому +14

      I agree. To me it seemed like Jirard thought he could "sob story" his way out of them making the videos. When they said they were going through with it, he gave up.

    • @RafaelCarvalho2310
      @RafaelCarvalho2310 6 місяців тому +2

      At that point he's already thinking strategically, it's clear for him that only the truth would be acceptable for Karl and Muta, and for many reasons he's not ready to disclose the truth behind it all, so he's already thinking about how he'll deal when their videos come out. Just look at how he even asks for a specific timeframe.

  • @NatNat-uu9cs
    @NatNat-uu9cs 6 місяців тому +14

    I participated in a Toys For Tots donation drive, and was the biggest intaker of toys at a dollar general. Christmas time came, and no one ever came and got the toys. Months went by and I became extremely angry. I personally arranged to drop off all the toys at a local kids ranch for housing kids without parents. As soon as I did this, a GM came by when I wasn't there and took all the toys in his personal truck. Guys, if you want to donate, take the donation and deliver it directly. Don't trust a third person entity.

  • @Bornagainvillain
    @Bornagainvillain 6 місяців тому +37

    Everything is public, yet Jirard still proceeded to respond the way he did.
    Foolishly, I was on his side because I absolutely hate the internet lynch mob and the endless hit pieces…
    All he had to do was donate the money. That’s literally all he had to do. Donate the money, ALL OF IT that he held, THEN SAY NOTHING ELSE, and slowly regain the respect and trust he lost if at all possible.
    This is poetic justice. He made money from the donations others gave him, thinking it was going to a good cause that just sat there losing value, and now everyone is making a buck off his own self destruction.
    That’s what the FUCK you get Jirard.

    • @SolarBrain4128
      @SolarBrain4128 6 місяців тому

      Don't beat yourself up about giving someone the benefit of the doubt. It wouldn't be the first time an internet lynch mob tried to ruin someone over what later turned out to be bogus info. More has come into the light, and as you said, it all could have gone away if he just donated all the money.