He didn’t forget, there’s no way you forget 600k in the bank. It’s super plausible he had the money in an account to get easier access to better financial offers.
The fact that people automatically forgiving a guy who spent 9 years "searching for the right organization" and then got called out and got it done in less than a month baffles me.
My mom died of dementia. It was a decade-long nightmare for the whole family but especially her. How the hell you could go through that and then not try to help preventing it when you have the means to do so is perplexing as hell.
The great thing about the response is that Karl is so used to people threatening lawsuits as a scare tactic that he sees Jirard’s threat as just another Saturday
What I find the funniest about Jirard threatening to sue is that Karl won't actually have to worry about it for another 10 years until Jirard finds the right lawyer to do so. 😂
I think it's really cool that they all really went and put themselves in the shoes of someone with dementia and forgot to ever donate the money. Truly inspirational!
I'm in the same boat as Charlie. I had a lot of respect for Jirard and normally I don't believe one mistake ruins that. Now what DOES get rid of that is not taking the L, constantly lying, bout it, and threatening. You can tell who a person is when they are backed into a corner. Shameful and disgusting.
Yea, it definitely looks worse as it goes on (especially with the bad response), but I still personally remain in the middle for several reasons. The money actually being donated is part of that. It's understandable that many people are absolutely dogpiling Jirard, but I have to stress that it's VERY important to remember that he is not the only one responsible for this outcome. Many people are painting it like he is which I find odd. It was mentioned in the call that Jirard was having some internal conflict with his family regarding the matter in the past couple of months and nobody knows the details of this, but it's safe to assume that this has a part in why there are inconsistencies between the call and the response as well as his statements after learning that the money was still there. Another thing; after the first set of videos, people deducted that he didn't have ill intent. At this moment and time, it still hasn't been proven that he did. Most of the videos after the first did not add much (if any at all) new information, yet people keep shifting what they think based on what they say. Karl goes from saying he never accused him of embezzlement to now saying he did when it's pretty obvious that when Jirard says "we don't touch any of it" and "it all goes to charity", it's referring to the fact that any form of support is going towards the main pool (which again, many people have said that it's completely reasonable to use those funds for administrative costs). Lack of clarification =/= ill intent through a perceived inconsistency. This was a very weak point so to see them fill the video with clip after clip after clip thinking they had their "gottem" moment, it doesn't come off right. The response wasn't great, but lets not pretend like the many people who curated it didn't consider this aspect. People have ALSO said that they don't doubt that they could pass a present-day audit so why is the argument still on missing money? Personally, it feels like a lot of goal-post shifting. The only thing they should be arguing at this point is the charity fraud gray area and if they did all of this only for "charity PR". Now, I don't know about you, but I highly doubt that the intention over the course of 10 years of raising money for a cause they have a personal stake in was for charity PR. Let it be known that letting the money sit there for that long is not good, but the accusations just went off the rails after that. The embezzlement claim especially is a huge red flag to me. Regardless of the details of the response; the truth is until someone can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they had other plans for the money besides charity, it is not fair to say that they are guilty to the degree that people are making it out to be. It's as simple as that really and we will see if anything in the coming weeks brings a definitive answer to this question.
@@FlameHricanesorry but one important aspect of that is wrong: "the money" wasn't donated, only the 600k. But a huge chunk of the money seems to be lost or off the books, or illegally spent. Like hundreds of thousands over the years are just missing.
@@Quintessence4444 dont forget the fact that he intentionally dodges every single tax year that both Mutahar and Karl mentions and he only mentions 2014 and 2023 tax filings which dont actually matter in the conversation... totally innocent maneuver /s
Not to mention it was one of the charities that was already at the forefront. Like, it wasn't an obscure charity that they had never heard of that satisfied all of their needs, it was the AFTD, aka the most prominent charity directly related to the cause they were attempting to support.
@@DarkArmageddonyup, funny how years of investigation just instantly disappeared once they were exposed and immediately donated. The only silver lining is at least the organization did receive the donation vs other scams where people made off with the money.
It’s so precious for Jirard to say they were waiting to make a restricted donation because they didn’t want the money to cover operational costs for another charity, while using donations to cover indieland expenses.
THIS. why are people not calling him out on this? He literally said, "I want the money to go to research, not some doctor's salary." 1. Who do you think does the research?! 2. Why are YOU taking administrative costs out of the funds?!
Apparently some people are, (I have no clue how true this is) but on Karl's most recent video going over this charity, one of the top comments were saying they filed a suit, gave out the information on how to look it up and said if you've been affected you should be able to either join or help provide evidence for this case.
If he hasn’t spent any of it, it hasn’t been embezzled. It’s weird, for sure, that this money has just been sitting in an account for who knows how long. As far as I know, it isn’t technically illegal and he could clear the whole thing up by giving the money to an organization that will actually do something with it.
@@derekeastman7771 except for the part where it can totally be considered embezzlement, did you miss the part where The Completionist said in his apology video "some of the donations were used to offset production costs" Literally in every stream with Indie Land hed say something along the lines of "All donations, super chats, shirts you buy, anything that you spend money on towards Indie Land will ALL be donated" Lying about where someone else's money going is a big no no.
@derekeastman7771 He used charity money to bolster his online presence and purchase gear/equipment for his business. He also mixed business money (twitch + youtube bits/donations/subs etc) claiming that all of it was going to charity. Not a single one of those were itemized in the reporting of the income for Open Hand. This means that he mixed charity and business funds, and didn't differentiate them. That is a MASSIVE issue.
@NateDates using charity money to offset production costs aren't embezzlement though. All the production costs are accounted for and he has been audited twice and then checking up and getting the "all clear" from the IRS. It's truly baffling to me that you guys trust the words of a drama-youtuber over actual professionals. Like, there's no wonder misinformation is being spread on social media with you guys who just give up your frontal cortex in the name of parasocial relationships. That being said, it's incredibly manipulative and evil to not donate money you've held for over a decade while promoting the organisation. It's just not right.
It feels extremely insulting that Jerard would say so many times about how he raised money for dementia for his mother yet does this to his community. His mom must be rolling in her grave
Karl and Muta's videos on this subject are amazing, especially Karl. Watching Karl pick apart that response is honestly one of the most satisfying things I've ever seen. Also, seeing the Competionist threaten Karl with a lawsuit after all the rigmarole he’s going through with Billy Mitchell is just... adorable
It’s not an apology video, it’s a response. He didn’t say the word sorry once and the title says it. I genuinely wonder if he thinks he’s done nothing wrong or if this is pure damage control because he only cares about his career. I don’t know which is worse.
They had a fake thank you from USCF on their website. It was written by a guy who had not been associated with the university for years. karl has it on the video
One of the more bizarre things about this scandal to me is that people are talking Karl at face value that the money was sitting in an account. He said a few times through his videos that there isn’t actually any proof the money was in the account, and they only had Jirard’s word. It seems clear to me that for legal reasons Karl has to say the money was in the account because he doesn’t have proof otherwise. But for the rest of us, do we really believe that someone who would lie about donating money to charity would just leave that money untouched for years? He took it. Obviously, he took it. And the money he ultimately donated was from his own savings or was money he was able to scrounge up elsewhere.
I can answer why so many people were convinced by Jirard's appology. It's because they like him and want him to be a good person, so they're willing to take any excuse they can to say he just made a little mistake and is actually a good guy. I know because I fell into that trap at first until I thought about it more.
Yep i agree i also fell into the trap because i respected jirard so much that i was hoping so badly that he wasn't actually a complete scumbag yet this is reality and nothing can be changed about it
What hit me the hardest was The Completionist saying in his initial response how he has "JUST found out the money had never moved and how DISGUSTED he was when he found out" just to turn around and say a week later "ummm actually it was SUPPOSED to sit there the whole time guys that was the plan all along!" Like how dumb does he think we are?
@@marcosdheleno he's got some poor excuses of friends, but at least I can't fault projared. He had a huge controversy a while ago but he was innocent, and it feels like he's blindly trying to defend an old friend under the pretense he's in a similar situation. I feel bad for him, pbg, and the other normal boots guys for getting roped into this honestly.
I think that the asshat saying he is thinking of suing Karl is just as bad considering he basically made a hot sauce untastable and made a steak turn into a charbroiled mess in "Asshat" Mitchell
I used to admire Jirard and his channel. I want to make content about video games and he served as massive inspiration for me. On top of that, as someone who lost someone from Alzheimer's, I was in full support of the Open Hand Foundation. To say this whole ordeal has been like a knife to the heart from someone I idolized sucks to say the least. I guess the lesson here is not get emotionally attached to an online personality
You’re just now learning that people’s online personalities aren’t who they really are? Also, nice gaming content. You definitely don’t seem like a mentally deranged 8 year old by watching any of your videos.
You still should. the problem was that Jared didn't communicate well what the plan was. The plan was to make a endowment fund which is when a charity deposits money to accumulate interest which the interest and money is given to a research body. On the condition that they can't touch the actual donated money but they can use all the interest it accumulates. It was going to provide the foundation to give the recipient life long donations basically. The problem was he didn't communicate that.
He's the Completionist!!! He's just 100%-ing his career and he's at the "corporate greedy" level. I'm really excited for his "apology music video" level
The worst and most damning evidence to me is the golf event money. He never addresses it and it is not ever reflected in any year's tax filing. It just goes missing.
He argues that it didn't make any money, but that excuse stinks to me. If it didn't make any money, then it would be fraud to have all these corporations on the banner, because it would mean that they're not actually affiliated with the charity anymore (if they ever were), and if those companies were legitimately affiliated with the event, then Jirard is just lying about it not making any money.
@@brofist1959 It doesn't really matter if it made any money they or not, they still need to declare how much money the event raised and how much money it cost to hold the event for tax reasons.
Honestly, i think hes lucky it wasnt Coffeezilla who did this investigation. He wouldn't have threatened to sue, let along have people who *still* defend him.
The Xwitter and Jirard fanboy crowd would call Coffeezilla as a "UA-cam drama" channel anyway, just how they did with Karl and Muta. Don't doubt how stupid those crowds can be
I’m a caregiver at an assisted living and we have two memory care wings, 30 residents total. I don’t understand how you could watch your mother die from that disease and not want to use at least SOME of that money to help people who’ve been in his situation
For those that don't know basically the only crime jared is guilty of is miscommunication. What Jared was doing was a thing called an endowment fund, which is where you put money into a interest account and let the money accumulate and while the initial deposit can't be touched all the interest can and essentially provides a long-term donation where the charity continually gains interest and uses the interest to have a life long payment that the actual research organization can use.
It's absolutely disgusting how he's using his mother, who can't speak for herself anymore, as a weapon to gain sympathy and a shield to deflect more than legitimate criticism. I guess that's to be expected from a guy that lies about donating to charity for 10 years though.
His dad is also involved with the charity. I wonder how aware he was of this whole situation. If he is as surprised as we the public are, or he was complicit.
@@kelsoRulezz Considering the fact that the brother also seems to be in on the fraud AND the golf tournament that's proceeds completely vanished is ran by the dad, I think it's safe to say the entire family is in on the scam. The only one I feel sorry for is his Mom, if she could see what her family is doing, using her memory to scam people out of their hard earned money, she'd be ashamed and heartbroken. It's okay though, they'll answer for it, in this life or the next. Hope they enjoy the money while it lasts because even if they get away with it and no legal action is taken (which is unlikely), the truth is you don't take a red cent of it with you when you die.
@@kelsoRulezzI've got a $20 bill that says both his dad and brother were not just aware, but actively involved. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
The wild part is the Completionist originally apologized, appeared remorseful, vowed to correct the wrong. Instead he flipped, played victim then attacked Karl!
When did he apologize, appear remorseful, and vow to correct it? I've been following this whole saga and at no point do I recall any of those things happening.
He has likely spoken to a laywer for legal advice since and figured out this whole thing will likely land him in jail (his whole family is) so now he is on the hard deny path to try and stop that from happening.
100% on the advice of a lawyer. Lawyer gave him a script, said to follow it, including the legal threats. Lawyer probably did not fathom Karl's history of dealing with people who abuse the legal system.
@@AzumangaFan13And what are we doing with the evidence? I hope the army of justice is reporting the shit out of Jirfraud to the authorities. He should be reported to the IRS and Attorney General Rob Bonta at the State of California Department of Justice.
I wanted to add thanks for having their back. They are getting attacked by his fans and threatened for exposing charity fraud. Your adding your voice in support matters a great deal. I have a lot of respect for you and the positions you take.
When Jirard was threatening and thiking of filing defamation lawsuits when people like Muta, and Karl rightfully calling out the mishandling of the funds is actually so disgusting.
I mean there was some people that really were just totally lying about the situation. Talking like they company had somehow pulled money and got a mansion or some crap. Which wasn't the case, is his response really oh yeah there is something going on.
the reason why charlie is my go-to for internet drama is because he's the only person I know who would refer to someone's argument as having "more holes in it than an orgy on brazzer's"
@@BfkcjscbsnjcBruh what. Tate is a confirmed scammer. Nothing else bruh. Yea he said some stuff that many ppl agree on. Yet hes mostly just a business man. Who scammed the ppl who bought into hustlers university
Linking his mothers medical records as if the problem people had with his story was that people doubted his mother had dementia and not that he committed fraud with the finances was the craziest part to me
While that was part of the reason he linked her medical records as rando's were posting about it, the real reason was to use his mother as a shield against the actual investigation. He stated multiple times they had contributed to charity, and while it was a lie that any of it was monetary. It is true they donated his mom's brain and spinal cord to charity. By linking her medical records, he is using her as a tool to state " Hey! I didn't lie! I did donate to charity!" which is a disgusting way to use one's own mother.
@@Zalfusethe reason he linked that document was because it is a private medical document, making any future privacy claims on videos easier to work if the creators would talk about it Cheap lawyer tactic
@@Zalfuse That, and also because Jacques used the claim that they had donated body parts in a response letter to Karl, which was correctly called out as not having been done under Open Hand. He's pretty obviously using it as further deflection, but that at least it makes sense to address.
My grandma passed away to dementia in May this year and it was one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced. Seeing the smartest woman in my life who helped me find my faith slowly degrade to a screaming shell of herself was heart shattering. And the FACT that Jirard lied is really disappointing for a creator I enjoyed.
You deserve extra sympathy... I can imagine the guilt of trusting someone who would later be proven to have lied about dimentia charities when your own grandmother was a dimentia victim, thus feeling like you were unwise with your grandmother's legacy.
I’m right there with you, bro. My grandma passed away in October to dementia and everything you said about her is true for mine as well. The loss still stings. I used to love watching The Completionist so this is all extra heartbreaking. You are not alone here.
I'm sorry man, I unfortunately witnessed my grandfather pass from dementia and saw how he forgot who I was. It's a terrible disease, I hope you have been able to find peace.
Sorry for your loss and the loss of others who share similar experiences. I haven't personally gone through that, but I had to learn about it in a class I took and it was horrifying. Also, fuck The Completionist for being a scumbag and adding to that trauma.
Yeah, the only reason the money was still there was because they were waiting for the moment they were sure they could get away with it. Also, at the end of 2022 they had roughly 650k, now a year later, after they did indieland and the golf tourny, they only donated 600. At bare minimum they are 50k short but probably closer to 100k, and that doesn't include the golf money missing from the total figure to begin with.
I went to high school with Jirard. He was in my drama class for all the years there and I've been in many plays, scenes, and improve skits with him. It's wild to see him covered by some of the top UA-camrs. Too bad it's negative.... I think anytime anyone is doing an apology video they need to know what kind of situation they are in, that's not the video to threaten law suits. At the very least, you're in an apology video and need to be humble. He clearly lied and mislead people, very unfortunate. You can't name drop places your supporting and then have the excuse you never donated to them because you were afraid of how they would use the money.... I mean, why did you constantly namedrop if you weren't sending there.
This situation is particularly hard for me handle. I was his devout fan since I was a stupid 10 year old. And his content inspired to play more games and I was partly inspired by him to grow as a person. I found him a very sympathetic person. And after all of this drama it's so hard to see your childhood hero crumble.
Threatening legal action is usually done to say "Look! Im Serious! Now believe me!" but they will never actually do it since the investigation phase will almost always fuck them over.
What blew me away was the defense arguments that it was just negligence. I'm sorry, I have zero idea of how to set up a charity fund or fundraiser or what paperwork would go into it, but if I had a platform with which I'd be able to do so and decided to do so because of the death of my own mother, the single most important person in my world, I would have learned how to handle EVERYTHING a whole lot quicker then a fucking decade.
Even then, negligence doesnt tend to excuse things like this in the first place. Negligence when it comes to finances in this country tends to lead to legal issues or jail time
I agree with both of you. I'm saying that negligence is a terrible excuse for what he did, because in his shoes, I can't imagine it even being a possibility. The people saying it's a viable excuse are disgusting given the circumstances.
Yup incompetence is still punishable and not a "free out of jail" card . And his latest response video moved this from negligence , to sheer malice , with his attacks on those that shed light on the issue
What I find most damning is the part in Karl's response video where Jirard states that he (TOVG) was paying for all the production costs so that everything donated was going to charity.
Yes, And it makes sense since Indieland is a separate entity under Jirard's for profit LLC. If you're running an Indieland event, saying all the money is going to charity (Open Hand), you don't get to skim off the top for "production costs".
@@Leonson1I'm sorry you misunderstood what the scammer was saying bro, he always intended to embezzle that money, you just misunderstood bro, he's a really nice guy tho so forgive him bro okay? The money is all where it is supposed to be, just trust me bro okay? /sarcam (for the idiots that will take this seriously)
@@LudwigVaanArthans Don't want to give you a hard time but you completely misread what I was saying. TOVG owns Indieland. If Indieland says the money is going to charity (Which Indieland is not a charity, it's part of a for profit LLC), then they don't get to touch the money for production costs.
@@TravistheGREAT03 I think you misunderstand, I know it can’t be justified. I’m saying that because I like him a lot I wish I could justify it, but I can’t. “It’s hard to justify” is an expression, meaning that I can’t justify it
He pretty much said "we wont be raising anymore money at these things" as if it was Karl and Muta's fault these charities wont be getting anymore money
well the good news in that is that the people looking to donate will probably just give to someone else who might actually give the money to the charities
It's fine though because it's Karl and Muta's fault that the charity (singular) got any money. Speaking of which, there sure still is the whole calling out by name charities they claimed to be donating to that still haven't received a penny, so...
@@khit007There's probably a not insignificant portion of those people who will be put off from charities for at least a while after being betrayed like this.
It’s a classic that he donated RIGHT after Karl called him out. If he didn’t call him out, that money would still be sitting in a bank account. Shameful
If youtubers didnt think views were more important than justice he couldve been charged. But now that the money has been donated theres probably not much that could be done. Similar situation happened in czechia a while back - streamer promised to donate money to a charity, kept it to herself, and the youtubers who exposed it just made a video on it, allowing her to quickly make a donation so there was nothing she couldve been charged with.
@@icedcat4021 Wouldn't be surprised this isn't how it works in the US. Legally it also doesn't make sense to me (as an amateur): so you steal something, get caught, give it back. No crime committed?
And its so cringe people were crying that Muta was "Milking this drama" when he only put out like 5 videos in 4 weeks and actually put research into his videos
And this isn't drama still! This is actually literally crime!! That's the thing that I find the most bonkers this isn't a slap fight this is straight up money stealing!!!
No wonder Jirard said "this will be my only response", because he knew there was absolutely no response to the inevitable follow up video. Absolutely damning.
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It's actually insane how terrible of a response the completionist gave. He made a situation that seemed like gross negligence and incompetence in a "charity", into very clear malicious actions
I think you missed the part where Jirard literally said in the call with Muta and Karl that the reason they were scrambling to donate was the notice Karl and Muta gave of their breaking the story. It's not speculation, its fact. He wouldn't have donated if nobody knew
What's with people threatening to sue when they get called out on shit they did, instead of just taking the L with some dignity left and NOT risk digging their own graves?
It is a scummy thing to do and when I was in the paralegal field we were taught pretty quickly that America is a very sue heavy nation. People see it as a tool to shut people up, control people, ruin their lives, or another way to win the lottery. There are no regulations to prevent this unlike in Australia. Which is why I recommend all the good people left in America to move away.
side note, he still has yet to donate the rest of the money, in the account the value was around 655k. the reason they donated only 600k, is because that's the number people online were pressing them to donate. so you know, something extra shady is going on in there.
@@marcosdhelenoThat's also not to mention the undisclosed amount from Subs, Bits, Merch etc which apparently ALL went towards "production costs"?? I would love to know what was that amount and how it was used exactly. Actual, LITERAL receipts would be nice instead of him just saying "yeah it all went to production. Trust me :)"
It really hurt me to see this, as someone who works with adults with disabilities and mental health issues I have seen how dementia can break down a person, I know I would've given them money because most people who has seen how destructive dementia is would have.
What’s worse is that now people will be hesitant to donate to any charity that any content creator wants to partner with. It’s not just that Jirard tanked his whole career, he also hurt the charity community too. People will now be even more mistrustful and less likely to donate to credible organizations. It really sucks and he should be ashamed.
The "restricted donation" thing was never even mentioned to others who worked at the Open Hand Foundation when Karl interviewed them. Jirard was the only one, in that single video, that mentioned it.
@@dread46yeah they didn't do their research without the perfect lawyer lol. Also in Australia if you sue with this type of case and lose you have to pay the defendant all legal fees.
Jirard was one of the last people I thought would ever do something like that. It really sucks that it seems like more and more "good" youtubers are turning out to be like this
@@dantebordi4122lol nah. I'll never forget when he wrote off games as bad/slow when he didn't even figure out how to use core mechanics for entire playthroughs.
Nah, I liked his content, but he always gave off weird vibes. He was overly "nice" and respectful, but it never felt genuine. It's difficult to explain, but it felt textbook. Considering his response video was full of emotional manipulation, I think my intuition was right.
Not gonna lie, he has always shown red flags of being exactly like this. Learn from this and you'll see the snakes in the grass easier. There are plenty of good UA-camrs who don't show the red flags. Jirard has always worn a mask in his videos, he's fake. That's the only red flag you need. Stick to genuine folks. Anyone acting like Jirard in their videos is fake for a reason.
I love Karl's videos so much. It was the first time I ever actually heard him get mad about a situation. Rightfully so. Everything the completionist did was scummy; using his mother's death as a shield is one of the worst.
@@Wallace-Amadeus I know! These people think making money off the video is scummy when he HAS too, it's his literal JOB to make videos. That's like saying the software I write is scummy because I got paid for it 😆.
@@1845net Like he didn't monetize the first one, any after that is whatever, he's just getting further into the info and getting paid for his job, like you said
@@Wallace-Amadeusyep, saw that, too. even worse imo is the stance of so many buffoons, that they didn't study journalism, therefore their investigation is invalid. I fucking hate twitter so much, but nowadays you're kinda forced to use it if you wanna know what's up.
I worked with a guy who you would guess would be the LAST person to lie, cheat, or steal. Turns out he was stealing thousands of dollars a month. When he got caught I didn't even want to believe it but the evidence was overwhelming. They had been on to him for weeks and stacked up a ton of evidence. It was irrefutable. So for all of those who are saying, "nah, he's a good guy! He's not capable of this!", don't let him off the hook just because he "seems like a good guy." Remove that bias and look at the evidence. People will surprise you.
My grandmother had dementia towards the end of her life in and passed in 2020 because of it. I've seen what it can do to a family so this story is really personal in so many ways. The fact that it has taken Jirard this long to donate the money and his behavior during his response video truly says a lot about his character. I always get the thought of "Maybe that money throughout the years could've gone towards helping my grandma with her dementia. "Hell, not just my grandma , but that money could've helped so many people struggling with it but the fact that he chose NOW to do it after public scrutiny is truly deplorable. He seemed like a good guy at the time but this is truly disappointing.
yeah the tricky thing with cases like this is that even with the money finally donated, that's a decade of research that could've been done by now. Time the families will never get back
I can’t feel bad for the Completionist because even if you give him the benefit of the doubt (which I personally DO NOT), and he is just a dumbass for his complete negligence, this is a grave he himself has dug. From fame to shame… Everyone should remember that big negative actions you do will ALWAYS outshine the big positives in people’s minds.
@@Jidom_101he didn't lie he was going to make a endowment fund for the research which is when a charity deposits money to accumulate interest but nobody is allowed to touch the donations but the research can use all of the interest.
@@Diablo3364Jirfraud lied about how he used the money on his Twitch streams, and he lied about donating to various charities when no donation was made.
Part of the money was used to keep the charity running, and funding expenses for the indieland events. Running the events, in turn, was also good PR for Jirard's public image, probably got him quite a few subscribers and followers over the years, indirectly.
Fun subject to discuss partial to this topic, have yall ever noticed that charity organizations basically throw all that potential money into whatever the event is when in reality the people could just not do the event and instead just give whatever money straight to the charity???
Yeah. The open hand legit spend 170 thousand dollars on fundraisers. Like how tf did they manage this? They are a small charity. They donated 600k but spend almost 200k on some events. Did they book the most expensive hotels and catering or what? Its so fishy
Don't know if you know, Jirard just released a video of him playing the Super Mario RPG remake and he briefly mentioned about the situation for a minute and then moved on. I'm guessing this is what he's going to plan on doing, mention the problem for a minute then sweep it under the rug like nothing ever happened.
Guy literally just ran an event after "discovering" no donations left the bank and still claimed he was working with groups he admitted he never made deals with.
Seems on youtube the rule is today you're shitting on people, tomorrow people will be shitting on you. I think it's only a matter of time until our lord and savior penguiz0/Keemstar 2.0 here also gets involved in some controversy and "canceled". I mean he kind of did get involved in some scuffle regarding charity way back (not really comparable to Jirard's situtation though)
My grandfather died of temporal dementia the only reason I ever gave that c********* money was because his mom died of the same thing and he was doing something about it to find out now that the money wasn't going towards anything is so enraging to me like I don't make much money and I gave him as much as I possibly could for it to do absolutely nothing it's disgusting how he uses his mother's memory to do this and steal money from people
Jirard: "I refuse to let you guys accuse me of embezzlement and using my mother's death to commit charity fraud" Karl: "I didn't actually do that, but since you brought it up..."
Okay not defending Jirard here, the situation is pretty weird, but Karl *did* accuse him of fraud in both his Discord and literally its on one of his thumbnails. Which may be totally correct, but y'know. If its not true, that's going to be *really* bad for Karl
@@RPGManoWarwith the evidence karl and mutahar have presented. Jirad has no case. By every definition the open hand foundation has committed charity fraud. The question is whether the charity fraud is on purpose or if it’s gross negligence. Either way, fraud is fraud.
@@RPGManoWar His original video didn't accuse him of embezzlement which was the ridiculous accusation. Of course now that he literally admitted to embezzlement Karl added that in. Karl is in zero danger as Jirard and his felonious cronies will be more worried about the jail time that is coming their way. 😉
To be fair to Jared, he was caught up in a controversy of his own where he proved he was innocent. Jared probably sees his buddy being attacked and remembering when he went through this decided to say something. Now in this case I think the completionist is totally in the wrong but I can’t fault a guy for trying to defend his friend. In fact I recall when Jared went through this, peanut butter gamer, another normal boots guy, also jumped to Jared’s defense. This whole situation feels like a repeat of Jared’s controversy. Except… there Jared was innocent and here I’m really struggling to see the completionist as anything but a scammer.
every time i feel like he is shady, and then he somehow manages to uno it back up. i was finally starting to think i just didnt like his nose or something, and then he pull this shit. guess i should trust my gut instinct more from now on...
@@AnimatedTerror I felt bad for PBG since in the end, he technically was right (besides the minor tumblr sexting) about PJ, but in this case Jared is just wrong. You’d think he’d have learned. It really hurts PJ’s already damaged credibility.
This llegimantly made me sad, I think similarly to how it seems to do for Charlie. I've watched The Completionist for years and loved his content. Feels like half of the creators I like always end up doing something terrible behind the scenes.
I'm glad the "all money will go to the charity" part was highlighted. When I heard that statement and yet also heard that they've taken money for admin costs I thought it would be an important point, yet people just gloss over it. I know that operational costs are a thing, but maybe don't say that all the money will go to charity and you won't touch a penny then.
Based on other reporting here, I think I know what’s going on. It seems like Jirard’s rich family had been running a charity scam through their golf tourney for a while now. Like they underreported the amount made from donations there and kept a small amount. Once Jirard started doing Indieland donations, that larger sum was used to hide ALL the money collected via the golf tourney, and they’ve been stealing that. Once direct donations got big enough that was ALSO used to hide his twitch donations and merch being pocketed instead of donated. I think it’s fair to say close to a million dollars has actually been donated to his organization, but he’s just pocketed the difference with some shady accounting.
I think what you’re saying. But it’s probably actually his dad or something doing the scam. Would explain why he wasn’t aware of the situation for so long, but also why he’s trying really hard to do damage control now.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case, nor would I be surprised if all the fund raising was genuinely done with the best intentions for the stated cause. That’s not a defence of them as best case scenario is that they neglectfully procrastinated on doing their one job with the money they raised, a chunk of which they very likely wouldn’t have if the donors weren’t lied to. That’s definitely plenty bad enough that it needs addressing.
@@bensonk1939But he admits he was aware since 2022. And when he talked to them he said he would “do right” and then did a heel turn to sue. AND ALSO he stated numerous times they were the main contributors to certain donations. The Conpletionist can only feign ignorance for so long here 😂
Regardless if he is disgusted if its true that he just find out, he is still screwed Regardless. All he can do if he legit wants the least worst sentence is throwing his entire family to the wolves 😂
Whats weird is how he acts during the discord call vs how he acted during his response. Doing right by the people calling him out by suing them is extremely insane.
I bet he has spoekn to a laywer and figured out he is likely going to prison for this. That would explain the pivit in the way they are handling this. Denying his own involement was unlikely to work so now the plan is to deny any wrong doing ever happened at all.
Honestly makes it feel like he is really manipulative. In private he acts nice and remorseful with somw defensiveness but wants to make things right but acts super defensive and aggro in public while trying to create the narrative that the two who were calling things out are leeches trying to get clout from him. He is thanking and sucking up to them in private and trying to make them pariahs in public
I want to remind people that there were suspiciously fast clear times with games and he did have a less then positive breakup with a past member which if I recall correctly was over monetary issues. This suspicious behavior with the proof of the charity events suggests he has been lying manipulating people for a long time.
Jirard inadvertently admitting to lying to donators and using the money how they chose rather than it going “directly to charity” was also the moment I understood he cannot be trusted and very likely criminal activity has been occurring for years.
I stand by Karl Jobst and Mutahar. Jirard has shown his true colors, lying about the organizations Openhand donated to. Even after being caught in the Discord call, he went on to continue lying about the organizations they are partnered with without donating like he promised he was going to. After the second videos of Muta and Karl and community backlash was when Jirard finally donated the money to a hospital.
I like how the completionists response video just made his case worse than it already was and now the situation leans even more against the completionist than before.
For those that don't know basically the only crime jared is guilty of is miscommunication. What Jared was doing was a thing called an endowment fund, which is where you put money into a interest account and let the money accumulate and while the initial deposit can't be touched all the interest can and essentially provides a long-term donation where the charity continually gains interest and uses the interest to have a life long payment that the actual research organization can use.
I have a grandma who we are currently taking care of with dementia, let me tell you the medicine helps is absolutely deplorable that they weren’t supporting that and keeping the money there for so long.
Same with my relative who has early onset dementia, participated in a study and was in the treatment group. It worked but they are not continuing giving him the medication for free because the study ended. This charity money could have gone to people like my uncle so he could afford the outrageous price that the study group wants him to fork over. He was their lab rat and they won’t give him the medication as compensation.
The irony of a charity made to help combat Dementia forgetting to donate the money is not lost on me in all of this.
Don’t translate.
ਜੇਕਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਇਸ ਟਿੱਪਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਪੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਮੈਂ ਹਰ ਉਸ ਵਿਅਕਤੀ ਦੀ ਗਾਹਕੀ ਲੈ ਰਿਹਾ ਹਾਂ ਜੋ ਮੇਰੇ ਲਈ ਗਾਹਕ ਬਣਦੇ ਹਨ….
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He didn’t forget, there’s no way you forget 600k in the bank. It’s super plausible he had the money in an account to get easier access to better financial offers.
@@NUMleaderNUMleadertrolls spam your a troll
The fact that people automatically forgiving a guy who spent 9 years "searching for the right organization" and then got called out and got it done in less than a month baffles me.
TROLLS WILL B DEFEATED.
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@@NUMleaderNUMleadercorny asf
Big man with 2 subscribers got me shakin, got more replies here alone than subs
My mom died of dementia. It was a decade-long nightmare for the whole family but especially her. How the hell you could go through that and then not try to help preventing it when you have the means to do so is perplexing as hell.
I am so sorry. My Mom has dementia and I sent you prayers and unfortunately I understand the pain.😢
@@user-qo8ko5sx3e Thank you, that's very kind. I send my own wishes that your good days are frequent!
Sorry for your loss
@@n64glennplant Thank you, that's nice of you!
Research requires time and funding. So them not funding constantly throughout the year means research gets pushed back further and further
The great thing about the response is that Karl is so used to people threatening lawsuits as a scare tactic that he sees Jirard’s threat as just another Saturday
@@RocketRift wrong Karl, this Karl is an Australian
The day Karl graced Jirard's charity fraud scheme was the most significant day of his life... but for Karl? It was Tuesday.
@@forgot7enlove the Street Fighter quote!
What I find the funniest about Jirard threatening to sue is that Karl won't actually have to worry about it for another 10 years until Jirard finds the right lawyer to do so. 😂
Touché 🤣
True he will wait till he finds the perfect lawyer
@@KorraGriffith not only he is completionist but he is also perfectionist! lol he will take his sweet time
Calls himself the completionist, can't complete a donation for 10 years 😂
Hey Charlie where is your follow up on the Andrew Tate situation, you kind if disappeared on that one afte talking massive shlt.
I think it's really cool that they all really went and put themselves in the shoes of someone with dementia and forgot to ever donate the money. Truly inspirational!
man... 😂😂
Underrated comment
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oh my GOD😂😂😂😂
Chill bro LMAO
I'm in the same boat as Charlie. I had a lot of respect for Jirard and normally I don't believe one mistake ruins that. Now what DOES get rid of that is not taking the L, constantly lying, bout it, and threatening. You can tell who a person is when they are backed into a corner. Shameful and disgusting.
Yea, it definitely looks worse as it goes on (especially with the bad response), but I still personally remain in the middle for several reasons. The money actually being donated is part of that. It's understandable that many people are absolutely dogpiling Jirard, but I have to stress that it's VERY important to remember that he is not the only one responsible for this outcome. Many people are painting it like he is which I find odd. It was mentioned in the call that Jirard was having some internal conflict with his family regarding the matter in the past couple of months and nobody knows the details of this, but it's safe to assume that this has a part in why there are inconsistencies between the call and the response as well as his statements after learning that the money was still there.
Another thing; after the first set of videos, people deducted that he didn't have ill intent. At this moment and time, it still hasn't been proven that he did. Most of the videos after the first did not add much (if any at all) new information, yet people keep shifting what they think based on what they say. Karl goes from saying he never accused him of embezzlement to now saying he did when it's pretty obvious that when Jirard says "we don't touch any of it" and "it all goes to charity", it's referring to the fact that any form of support is going towards the main pool (which again, many people have said that it's completely reasonable to use those funds for administrative costs).
Lack of clarification =/= ill intent through a perceived inconsistency. This was a very weak point so to see them fill the video with clip after clip after clip thinking they had their "gottem" moment, it doesn't come off right. The response wasn't great, but lets not pretend like the many people who curated it didn't consider this aspect. People have ALSO said that they don't doubt that they could pass a present-day audit so why is the argument still on missing money? Personally, it feels like a lot of goal-post shifting. The only thing they should be arguing at this point is the charity fraud gray area and if they did all of this only for "charity PR". Now, I don't know about you, but I highly doubt that the intention over the course of 10 years of raising money for a cause they have a personal stake in was for charity PR. Let it be known that letting the money sit there for that long is not good, but the accusations just went off the rails after that. The embezzlement claim especially is a huge red flag to me.
Regardless of the details of the response; the truth is until someone can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they had other plans for the money besides charity, it is not fair to say that they are guilty to the degree that people are making it out to be. It's as simple as that really and we will see if anything in the coming weeks brings a definitive answer to this question.
@@FlameHricaneYou know money can be moved between accounts right?
@@FlameHricanesorry but one important aspect of that is wrong: "the money" wasn't donated, only the 600k. But a huge chunk of the money seems to be lost or off the books, or illegally spent. Like hundreds of thousands over the years are just missing.
@@20Gero09 Thankfully he made a long detailed video to briefly mention the bank statements that he doesn't show which completely prove his innocence.
@@Quintessence4444 dont forget the fact that he intentionally dodges every single tax year that both Mutahar and Karl mentions and he only mentions 2014 and 2023 tax filings which dont actually matter in the conversation... totally innocent maneuver /s
My favorite part of Karl's video is when he is like "I didn't accuse you of embezzlement.. but since you brought that up". Lmao
Karl throws haymakers in that video Charlie is citing. You can tell he is sick of the shit he got from the "nematodes" online.
Columbo " Oh one more thing " vibe
Using charity funds to pay for charity events is not embezzlement.
@@bigdaddynero You're two months late to this situation and still didn't bother to do your research. Smh
@@GreatLordOz Learn to think for yourself instead of using internet commentators as your "research".
What a bizarre coincidence that they found a trustworthy charity RIGHT AFTER he was investigated!
Not to mention it was one of the charities that was already at the forefront.
Like, it wasn't an obscure charity that they had never heard of that satisfied all of their needs, it was the AFTD, aka the most prominent charity directly related to the cause they were attempting to support.
And the donation was restricted as well, didn't seem that hard to find one after getting called out.
@@DarkArmageddonyup, funny how years of investigation just instantly disappeared once they were exposed and immediately donated. The only silver lining is at least the organization did receive the donation vs other scams where people made off with the money.
Hey Charlie where is your follow up on the Andrew Tate situation, you kind if disappeared on that one afte talking massive shlt.
Shocker
The fact he keeps using his mother as a shield and to get sympathy is absolutely disgusting
lol i just imagined him using her corpse as an actual shield
@@torquetheprisoner”mommy help me!” His mom: 💀
@@SuperPrestogamer oh nahh 💀
I feel like he's way too comfortable pulling that as a card to get sympathy and get away with shit. Psychopath.
@@SuperPrestogamer lolz
It’s so precious for Jirard to say they were waiting to make a restricted donation because they didn’t want the money to cover operational costs for another charity, while using donations to cover indieland expenses.
Darr Mann is super cool and helped me become VERY GOOD at weed and fartporn :)
THIS. why are people not calling him out on this? He literally said, "I want the money to go to research, not some doctor's salary."
1. Who do you think does the research?!
2. Why are YOU taking administrative costs out of the funds?!
Duuuude, so true!
Imagine if he got sued in a class action for embezzling funds from charity fraud.
Apparently some people are, (I have no clue how true this is) but on Karl's most recent video going over this charity, one of the top comments were saying they filed a suit, gave out the information on how to look it up and said if you've been affected you should be able to either join or help provide evidence for this case.
If he hasn’t spent any of it, it hasn’t been embezzled. It’s weird, for sure, that this money has just been sitting in an account for who knows how long. As far as I know, it isn’t technically illegal and he could clear the whole thing up by giving the money to an organization that will actually do something with it.
@@derekeastman7771 except for the part where it can totally be considered embezzlement, did you miss the part where The Completionist said in his apology video "some of the donations were used to offset production costs" Literally in every stream with Indie Land hed say something along the lines of "All donations, super chats, shirts you buy, anything that you spend money on towards Indie Land will ALL be donated"
Lying about where someone else's money going is a big no no.
@derekeastman7771
He used charity money to bolster his online presence and purchase gear/equipment for his business.
He also mixed business money (twitch + youtube bits/donations/subs etc) claiming that all of it was going to charity. Not a single one of those were itemized in the reporting of the income for Open Hand. This means that he mixed charity and business funds, and didn't differentiate them.
That is a MASSIVE issue.
@NateDates using charity money to offset production costs aren't embezzlement though. All the production costs are accounted for and he has been audited twice and then checking up and getting the "all clear" from the IRS.
It's truly baffling to me that you guys trust the words of a drama-youtuber over actual professionals. Like, there's no wonder misinformation is being spread on social media with you guys who just give up your frontal cortex in the name of parasocial relationships.
That being said, it's incredibly manipulative and evil to not donate money you've held for over a decade while promoting the organisation. It's just not right.
Using “I forgot” as an excuse to give to a dementia charity is wild lol
The jokes write themselves lmao
I forgor 💀
Ironic, even.
He got afflicted with dementia himself, have some sympathy. 😭😭😭
Oh btw did you know his mom died of dementia? It's true, his mom died of dementia!
It feels extremely insulting that Jerard would say so many times about how he raised money for dementia for his mother yet does this to his community. His mom must be rolling in her grave
I’m 100% super better than Charles
Ofc all the replies are bots
He probably has dementia and forgot and is now confused
Yea man, screw Gerald 🖕😤
i hope she is not .... because he donated her body to research
Jirard forgot the first rule of investigative journalism
If you try to get sued for finding stuff out, you're onto something special
Karl and Muta's videos on this subject are amazing, especially Karl. Watching Karl pick apart that response is honestly one of the most satisfying things I've ever seen. Also, seeing the Competionist threaten Karl with a lawsuit after all the rigmarole he’s going through with Billy Mitchell is just... adorable
His argument was mostly speculation
Legit had to pause and take a moment when Karl called him a pathetic b*tch 😂
@@AdamBerour-hw2uvIf UA-cam still did rewinds that would be the highlight of the year!
Muta's vids are awful. He needs a script and an editor. Karl's were great though.
You should edit your comment to not contradict the fact that Karl's legal battle with Billy Mitchell is not yet in the past.
Making an Apology Video and making your subreddit Private are always *great* signs.
I'm thinking he's gonna disable comments on the apology cause they are ALL negative. Not one defender on his own vid
To be fair though I'm pretty sure that's just the mods kissing his ass
He's the cornerstone of Chuck's life.
he will probably nuke all of his content. reddit and youtube. straight up delete them. there is no coming back from this. @@Mythki11er
It’s not an apology video, it’s a response. He didn’t say the word sorry once and the title says it. I genuinely wonder if he thinks he’s done nothing wrong or if this is pure damage control because he only cares about his career. I don’t know which is worse.
Lets remind everyone that he outright forged a thank you note from a charity he never donated to.
@TheJeffI he got a thank you, from a guy who stopped working at one of the places he "donated to" some years ago.
They had a fake thank you from USCF on their website. It was written by a guy who had not been associated with the university for years. karl has it on the video
And this is why people have to defend Jirard at times because people like to fabricate things
@@wing024 its true, even charlie went over it in the last vid
@@wing024it’s true though
One of the more bizarre things about this scandal to me is that people are talking Karl at face value that the money was sitting in an account. He said a few times through his videos that there isn’t actually any proof the money was in the account, and they only had Jirard’s word. It seems clear to me that for legal reasons Karl has to say the money was in the account because he doesn’t have proof otherwise. But for the rest of us, do we really believe that someone who would lie about donating money to charity would just leave that money untouched for years? He took it. Obviously, he took it. And the money he ultimately donated was from his own savings or was money he was able to scrounge up elsewhere.
I can answer why so many people were convinced by Jirard's appology. It's because they like him and want him to be a good person, so they're willing to take any excuse they can to say he just made a little mistake and is actually a good guy. I know because I fell into that trap at first until I thought about it more.
At least you can acknowledge that. THAT takes some real strength.
Yep i agree i also fell into the trap because i respected jirard so much that i was hoping so badly that he wasn't actually a complete scumbag yet this is reality and nothing can be changed about it
What hit me the hardest was The Completionist saying in his initial response how he has "JUST found out the money had never moved and how DISGUSTED he was when he found out" just to turn around and say a week later "ummm actually it was SUPPOSED to sit there the whole time guys that was the plan all along!" Like how dumb does he think we are?
Dumb enough to let shit slide like a mud slide on a muddy mountain side
if you look at projared, beatmups and so many other youtubers from his inner circle, you would be surprised...
Projared is innocent.@@marcosdheleno
Considering his hardcore fans took him at his word, I'd say he didn't just think people were dumb-he expected it.
@@marcosdheleno he's got some poor excuses of friends, but at least I can't fault projared. He had a huge controversy a while ago but he was innocent, and it feels like he's blindly trying to defend an old friend under the pretense he's in a similar situation. I feel bad for him, pbg, and the other normal boots guys for getting roped into this honestly.
"It's not fraud if you get caught and give the money back" - The Completionist.
correction, "most" of the money back. dude still has yet to pay the missing 55k from the account.
@@marcosdheleno 55K plus the 2023 event donations plus all the golf money.
@@plufim Was going to say, there's a lot that hasn't been accounted for that never made its way into the account.
I saw someone call him The CONpletionist, people should start using that more often lol.
It’s not fraud because of a clerical error!😂😂😂
Taking advantage of people's generosity is the worst part of this whole situation.
I think that the asshat saying he is thinking of suing Karl is just as bad considering he basically made a hot sauce untastable and made a steak turn into a charbroiled mess in "Asshat" Mitchell
guys will simp for everything these days. He could just have said, fund my weightgain journey and get the same amount of money
I used to admire Jirard and his channel. I want to make content about video games and he served as massive inspiration for me. On top of that, as someone who lost someone from Alzheimer's, I was in full support of the Open Hand Foundation. To say this whole ordeal has been like a knife to the heart from someone I idolized sucks to say the least. I guess the lesson here is not get emotionally attached to an online personality
...i guess you can say that it's like an open palm to the face?
You’re just now learning that people’s online personalities aren’t who they really are? Also, nice gaming content. You definitely don’t seem like a mentally deranged 8 year old by watching any of your videos.
I am so sorry
Enjoy him for his content stop having unhealthy parasocial relationships.
You still should. the problem was that Jared didn't communicate well what the plan was. The plan was to make a endowment fund which is when a charity deposits money to accumulate interest which the interest and money is given to a research body. On the condition that they can't touch the actual donated money but they can use all the interest it accumulates. It was going to provide the foundation to give the recipient life long donations basically. The problem was he didn't communicate that.
He's the Completionist!!! He's just 100%-ing his career and he's at the "corporate greedy" level. I'm really excited for his "apology music video" level
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CHARLIE STEALS MY VIDEOS FOR MOOLAH AND HAS MADE MILLIONS OFF MY HARD WORK
CHARLIE STEALS MY VIDEOS FOR MOOLAH AND HAS MADE MILLIONS OFF MY HARD WORK
CHARLIE STEALS MY VIDEOS FOR MOOLAH AND HAS MADE MILLIONS OFF MY HARD WORK
CHARLIE STEALS MY VIDEOS FOR MOOLAH AND HAS MADE MILLIONS OFF MY HARD WORK
The worst and most damning evidence to me is the golf event money. He never addresses it and it is not ever reflected in any year's tax filing. It just goes missing.
Feels like he doesn't care about the golf event because it's not him running it
He argues that it didn't make any money, but that excuse stinks to me. If it didn't make any money, then it would be fraud to have all these corporations on the banner, because it would mean that they're not actually affiliated with the charity anymore (if they ever were), and if those companies were legitimately affiliated with the event, then Jirard is just lying about it not making any money.
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@@brofist1959 It doesn't really matter if it made any money they or not, they still need to declare how much money the event raised and how much money it cost to hold the event for tax reasons.
Honestly, i think hes lucky it wasnt Coffeezilla who did this investigation. He wouldn't have threatened to sue, let along have people who *still* defend him.
The Xwitter and Jirard fanboy crowd would call Coffeezilla as a "UA-cam drama" channel anyway, just how they did with Karl and Muta. Don't doubt how stupid those crowds can be
He might
I’m a caregiver at an assisted living and we have two memory care wings, 30 residents total. I don’t understand how you could watch your mother die from that disease and not want to use at least SOME of that money to help people who’ve been in his situation
I work at a simmilar place, and had simmilar thoughts.
For those that don't know basically the only crime jared is guilty of is miscommunication. What Jared was doing was a thing called an endowment fund, which is where you put money into a interest account and let the money accumulate and while the initial deposit can't be touched all the interest can and essentially provides a long-term donation where the charity continually gains interest and uses the interest to have a life long payment that the actual research organization can use.
@Diablo3364 I mean why didn't he just say that then?
@@Diablo3364The money never earned any interest, and Jirfraud is guilty of charity fraud.
It's absolutely disgusting how he's using his mother, who can't speak for herself anymore, as a weapon to gain sympathy and a shield to deflect more than legitimate criticism. I guess that's to be expected from a guy that lies about donating to charity for 10 years though.
His dad is also involved with the charity. I wonder how aware he was of this whole situation. If he is as surprised as we the public are, or he was complicit.
@@kelsoRulezz Considering the fact that the brother also seems to be in on the fraud AND the golf tournament that's proceeds completely vanished is ran by the dad, I think it's safe to say the entire family is in on the scam.
The only one I feel sorry for is his Mom, if she could see what her family is doing, using her memory to scam people out of their hard earned money, she'd be ashamed and heartbroken.
It's okay though, they'll answer for it, in this life or the next. Hope they enjoy the money while it lasts because even if they get away with it and no legal action is taken (which is unlikely), the truth is you don't take a red cent of it with you when you die.
@@kelsoRulezzI've got a $20 bill that says both his dad and brother were not just aware, but actively involved. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Well, of course his mother can't speak. She's dead.
@MrLoowiz idk if your being toxic or just speaking the obvious
The wild part is the Completionist originally apologized, appeared remorseful, vowed to correct the wrong. Instead he flipped, played victim then attacked Karl!
When did he apologize, appear remorseful, and vow to correct it? I've been following this whole saga and at no point do I recall any of those things happening.
@@adamj93man finally got that sweet sweet dementia
He has likely spoken to a laywer for legal advice since and figured out this whole thing will likely land him in jail (his whole family is) so now he is on the hard deny path to try and stop that from happening.
@@adamj93 He dropped a video a few days ago saying this. If you've been following every part of this how did you miss it?
100% on the advice of a lawyer. Lawyer gave him a script, said to follow it, including the legal threats. Lawyer probably did not fathom Karl's history of dealing with people who abuse the legal system.
I love that Muta's name makes it sound like tons of ordinary gamers were looking into this 🤣
There's dozens of us!
@@AzumangaFan13And what are we doing with the evidence? I hope the army of justice is reporting the shit out of Jirfraud to the authorities. He should be reported to the IRS and Attorney General Rob Bonta at the State of California Department of Justice.
I wanted to add thanks for having their back. They are getting attacked by his fans and threatened for exposing charity fraud. Your adding your voice in support matters a great deal. I have a lot of respect for you and the positions you take.
When Jirard was threatening and thiking of filing defamation lawsuits when people like Muta, and Karl rightfully calling out the mishandling of the funds is actually so disgusting.
Don’t translate.
ਜੇਕਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਇਸ ਟਿੱਪਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਪੜ੍ਹਦੇ ਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਮੈਂ ਹਰ ਉਸ ਵਿਅਕਤੀ ਦੀ ਗਾਹਕੀ ਲੈ ਰਿਹਾ ਹਾਂ ਜੋ ਮੇਰੇ ਲਈ ਗਾਹਕ ਬਣਦੇ ਹਨ 😂😂
Jerard is a moron here. If he goes to court and sue, discovery will make him even more culpable
Karl probably just has a lawyer on retainer at this point.
I mean there was some people that really were just totally lying about the situation. Talking like they company had somehow pulled money and got a mansion or some crap. Which wasn't the case, is his response really oh yeah there is something going on.
Jerard is delusional and thinks the court will side with him when they've exposed so much of his lies.
the reason why charlie is my go-to for internet drama is because he's the only person I know who would refer to someone's argument as having "more holes in it than an orgy on brazzer's"
In a dead serious tone too
that line fucking killed me, just epic.... he's so good!
Hey Charlie where is your follow up on the Andrew Tate situation, you kind if disappeared on that one afte talking massive shlt.
@@BfkcjscbsnjcBruh what. Tate is a confirmed scammer. Nothing else bruh. Yea he said some stuff that many ppl agree on. Yet hes mostly just a business man. Who scammed the ppl who bought into hustlers university
@@Ju-Peter667 thats just it though, he's a business men so he says some generalised shit that a lot of people believe in so they support him.
I don’t think IndieLand will ever happen again after this mess, And Jirard really did fuck up his career for good with this.
I am amazed he hasnt been banned or atleast suspended by UA-cam at this point. What a bad job out of UA-cam.
@@terencehill2320 After the SSSniperWolf and JacksFlims debacle, I'm not surprised by UA-cam's actions as of late.
Linking his mothers medical records as if the problem people had with his story was that people doubted his mother had dementia and not that he committed fraud with the finances was the craziest part to me
While that was part of the reason he linked her medical records as rando's were posting about it, the real reason was to use his mother as a shield against the actual investigation. He stated multiple times they had contributed to charity, and while it was a lie that any of it was monetary. It is true they donated his mom's brain and spinal cord to charity. By linking her medical records, he is using her as a tool to state " Hey! I didn't lie! I did donate to charity!" which is a disgusting way to use one's own mother.
@@Zalfusethe reason he linked that document was because it is a private medical document, making any future privacy claims on videos easier to work if the creators would talk about it
Cheap lawyer tactic
@@Zalfuse That, and also because Jacques used the claim that they had donated body parts in a response letter to Karl, which was correctly called out as not having been done under Open Hand. He's pretty obviously using it as further deflection, but that at least it makes sense to address.
@@LudwigVaanArthansthat sounds like complete nonsense.
My grandma passed away to dementia in May this year and it was one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced. Seeing the smartest woman in my life who helped me find my faith slowly degrade to a screaming shell of herself was heart shattering. And the FACT that Jirard lied is really disappointing for a creator I enjoyed.
You deserve extra sympathy... I can imagine the guilt of trusting someone who would later be proven to have lied about dimentia charities when your own grandmother was a dimentia victim, thus feeling like you were unwise with your grandmother's legacy.
I’m sorry for your loss brother. Hope you’re doing better these days.
I’m right there with you, bro. My grandma passed away in October to dementia and everything you said about her is true for mine as well. The loss still stings. I used to love watching The Completionist so this is all extra heartbreaking. You are not alone here.
I'm sorry man, I unfortunately witnessed my grandfather pass from dementia and saw how he forgot who I was. It's a terrible disease, I hope you have been able to find peace.
Sorry for your loss and the loss of others who share similar experiences. I haven't personally gone through that, but I had to learn about it in a class I took and it was horrifying.
Also, fuck The Completionist for being a scumbag and adding to that trauma.
My favorite part of Karl’s response is near the end when Jirard threatens legal action and Karl just says “what a pathetic bitch” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought the exact same thing. Man called him a bitch 😂
i almost cried laughing💀
His deadpan delivery is why I love Karl. And he calls me a legend.
Hey Charlie where is your follow up on the Andrew Tate situation, you kind if disappeared on that one afte talking massive shlt.
Not a pathetic bish 😂
Jirard and his brother were deffinitly planning to keep the money for themselves. They just got caught before they could execute their plan.
Yeah, the only reason the money was still there was because they were waiting for the moment they were sure they could get away with it. Also, at the end of 2022 they had roughly 650k, now a year later, after they did indieland and the golf tourny, they only donated 600. At bare minimum they are 50k short but probably closer to 100k, and that doesn't include the golf money missing from the total figure to begin with.
I went to high school with Jirard. He was in my drama class for all the years there and I've been in many plays, scenes, and improve skits with him. It's wild to see him covered by some of the top UA-camrs. Too bad it's negative.... I think anytime anyone is doing an apology video they need to know what kind of situation they are in, that's not the video to threaten law suits. At the very least, you're in an apology video and need to be humble. He clearly lied and mislead people, very unfortunate. You can't name drop places your supporting and then have the excuse you never donated to them because you were afraid of how they would use the money.... I mean, why did you constantly namedrop if you weren't sending there.
No wonder Jirard has always complained about back pain, he has been wearing his mom’s dead body like a bulletproof vest for years
That was brutal.
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plus now, hes fucked it, less people will now give money to him so less money to charity since people don't trust him.
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Billy Mitchell: "I sue anyone who speaks ill of me."
The Completionist: "Hold my controller."
Okay, that's hilarious😂
*chefs kiss*
This situation is particularly hard for me handle. I was his devout fan since I was a stupid 10 year old. And his content inspired to play more games and I was partly inspired by him to grow as a person. I found him a very sympathetic person. And after all of this drama it's so hard to see your childhood hero crumble.
I was baffled when I saw people acting like The Completionist's response absolved him of wrongdoing when it only shown how much more he was lying.
Threatening legal action is usually done to say "Look! Im Serious! Now believe me!" but they will never actually do it since the investigation phase will almost always fuck them over.
Great idea when you have the irs also investigating now that'll make going to court real interesting
@@kobra6660 It would guarantee an audit of his supposed foundation which would instantly show that he was full of shit the entire time
we’ll just have to wait and see, an investigation will definitely clear things up
The phase you're referring to is "discovery", no?
It’s all a bluff.
What blew me away was the defense arguments that it was just negligence. I'm sorry, I have zero idea of how to set up a charity fund or fundraiser or what paperwork would go into it, but if I had a platform with which I'd be able to do so and decided to do so because of the death of my own mother, the single most important person in my world, I would have learned how to handle EVERYTHING a whole lot quicker then a fucking decade.
Even then, negligence doesnt tend to excuse things like this in the first place. Negligence when it comes to finances in this country tends to lead to legal issues or jail time
Or, maybe hire someone with those skills lol. They were pocketing money, they should’ve spent it on charity admins
I agree with both of you. I'm saying that negligence is a terrible excuse for what he did, because in his shoes, I can't imagine it even being a possibility. The people saying it's a viable excuse are disgusting given the circumstances.
He managed to figure it out pretty quickly once those videos dropped.
Yup incompetence is still punishable and not a "free out of jail" card . And his latest response video moved this from negligence , to sheer malice , with his attacks on those that shed light on the issue
What I find most damning is the part in Karl's response video where Jirard states that he (TOVG) was paying for all the production costs so that everything donated was going to charity.
Yes, And it makes sense since Indieland is a separate entity under Jirard's for profit LLC. If you're running an Indieland event, saying all the money is going to charity (Open Hand), you don't get to skim off the top for "production costs".
@@Leonson1I'm sorry you misunderstood what the scammer was saying bro, he always intended to embezzle that money, you just misunderstood bro, he's a really nice guy tho so forgive him bro okay? The money is all where it is supposed to be, just trust me bro okay?
/sarcam (for the idiots that will take this seriously)
@@LudwigVaanArthans Don't want to give you a hard time but you completely misread what I was saying. TOVG owns Indieland. If Indieland says the money is going to charity (Which Indieland is not a charity, it's part of a for profit LLC), then they don't get to touch the money for production costs.
@@Leonson1 ...Bro, how did you miss the sarcasm, including the "/sarcam"?
Man this whole situation makes me so sad. I love the Completionist and this is all making it really hard to justify his actions and him as a person
HArd to justify? Get a grip. It CANNOT be justified!
@@TravistheGREAT03 I think you misunderstand, I know it can’t be justified. I’m saying that because I like him a lot I wish I could justify it, but I can’t. “It’s hard to justify” is an expression, meaning that I can’t justify it
@@trevorfreund4110The fact that you still like him after what he did show how much of an NPC you are 🤦
If you pause one of the Completionist's videos and cover his smile. His eyes usually still look angry. Same as the Captain in HIMYM.
Check out Jabroni Mike. Jabroni Mike would never embezzle money from a charity.
He pretty much said "we wont be raising anymore money at these things" as if it was Karl and Muta's fault these charities wont be getting anymore money
well the good news in that is that the people looking to donate will probably just give to someone else who might actually give the money to the charities
It's fine though because it's Karl and Muta's fault that the charity (singular) got any money.
Speaking of which, there sure still is the whole calling out by name charities they claimed to be donating to that still haven't received a penny, so...
@@khit007There's probably a not insignificant portion of those people who will be put off from charities for at least a while after being betrayed like this.
Hilarious, I'm no longer not donating to charities because of you.
Oh, these charities that he never donated to, he will no longer not donate to them? That's terrible.
It’s a classic that he donated RIGHT after Karl called him out. If he didn’t call him out, that money would still be sitting in a bank account. Shameful
If youtubers didnt think views were more important than justice he couldve been charged. But now that the money has been donated theres probably not much that could be done. Similar situation happened in czechia a while back - streamer promised to donate money to a charity, kept it to herself, and the youtubers who exposed it just made a video on it, allowing her to quickly make a donation so there was nothing she couldve been charged with.
@@icedcat4021 Wouldn't be surprised this isn't how it works in the US. Legally it also doesn't make sense to me (as an amateur): so you steal something, get caught, give it back. No crime committed?
Amazing how fast he found a charity after nine years of "searching" the minute he got called out
See, _The Human Fund_ would never have let it come to this.
5:37 This caught me off guard😭
In a year filled with scandals-especially plagiarism-I really appreciate how Charlie credits others and tries to send viewers their way.
And its so cringe people were crying that Muta was "Milking this drama" when he only put out like 5 videos in 4 weeks and actually put research into his videos
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even if he is milking it ill fully support it, milking exposing obvious crimes should be encouraged
And this isn't drama still! This is actually literally crime!! That's the thing that I find the most bonkers this isn't a slap fight this is straight up money stealing!!!
No wonder Jirard said "this will be my only response", because he knew there was absolutely no response to the inevitable follow up video. Absolutely damning.
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Kinda crazy he got away with it for 10 years considering all the information was public
People doing the right thing only after facing overwhelming pressure from others, is such a massive red flag that way too many people ignore smh.
It's actually insane how terrible of a response the completionist gave. He made a situation that seemed like gross negligence and incompetence in a "charity", into very clear malicious actions
I think you missed the part where Jirard literally said in the call with Muta and Karl that the reason they were scrambling to donate was the notice Karl and Muta gave of their breaking the story.
It's not speculation, its fact. He wouldn't have donated if nobody knew
11:01 Charlie, we are not Sneako, you don't have to show us your guns like that, gyat
no way he basically just said "nuh uh" and all his audience just believed him lmao
What's with people threatening to sue when they get called out on shit they did, instead of just taking the L with some dignity left and NOT risk digging their own graves?
Why would they take the L?
I don't think you understand humans.
It’s a solid tactic if you have more money than your accusers.
Just threaten them and they might shut up without you having to do anything else.
It is a scummy thing to do and when I was in the paralegal field we were taught pretty quickly that America is a very sue heavy nation. People see it as a tool to shut people up, control people, ruin their lives, or another way to win the lottery. There are no regulations to prevent this unlike in Australia. Which is why I recommend all the good people left in America to move away.
Threatening to sue people who call you out is the most blatant red flag that you are guilty.
It's even funnier when there's absolutely nothing legally actionable about the situation.
Shoutout to Mutahar and Karl for donating 600k to charity. If it wasn’t for them, this scumbag would have never donated the money.
Didn’t ask. I just posted roblox heat.
@@whisptrz reported for being pathetic
side note, he still has yet to donate the rest of the money, in the account the value was around 655k. the reason they donated only 600k, is because that's the number people online were pressing them to donate.
so you know, something extra shady is going on in there.
@@marcosdhelenoThat's also not to mention the undisclosed amount from Subs, Bits, Merch etc which apparently ALL went towards "production costs"?? I would love to know what was that amount and how it was used exactly. Actual, LITERAL receipts would be nice instead of him just saying "yeah it all went to production. Trust me :)"
Isn't 650k what they received just in 2022?
I'll have to refresh my memory again ..
It really hurt me to see this, as someone who works with adults with disabilities and mental health issues I have seen how dementia can break down a person, I know I would've given them money because most people who has seen how destructive dementia is would have.
"production costs" in other words they're paying themselves to be in camera
Congrats to Jirard on completing his career. Let's also thank Muta and Karl for donating $600k to charity, bless these 2 good men 🙏
The first time Jirard actually completed something instead of getting his staff to do it
@@swagarnext thing to complete? Prison sentence
@@swagardid he actually not complete the games himself lol
@@Alexandergoat123 In the early days probably. Nowaday? Definitely not.
@@condor237 ha you wish
Man, more and more amazing, respectable creators falling to stupid situations that couldve been avoided by not being a douchebag
Greed is the doom of humanity.
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What’s worse is that now people will be hesitant to donate to any charity that any content creator wants to partner with. It’s not just that Jirard tanked his whole career, he also hurt the charity community too. People will now be even more mistrustful and less likely to donate to credible organizations. It really sucks and he should be ashamed.
The "restricted donation" thing was never even mentioned to others who worked at the Open Hand Foundation when Karl interviewed them. Jirard was the only one, in that single video, that mentioned it.
His suing is all a bluff. I know Mutahar already has lawyers ready to go against him if he even decides to sue.
And Karl Jobst has Notch, the Minecraft founder, on his side paying his legal fees, so topnotch lawyers if he needs them.
@@dread46yeah they didn't do their research without the perfect lawyer lol. Also in Australia if you sue with this type of case and lose you have to pay the defendant all legal fees.
@@dread46 top... notch lawyers yeah XD
I think this is the case in the whole world. You have to pay all the defendant fees if you lose @@JosiahBradley
@@dread46Uncommon Notch W (at least nowadays)
Jirard was one of the last people I thought would ever do something like that. It really sucks that it seems like more and more "good" youtubers are turning out to be like this
such a shame his content was always great
@@dantebordi4122lol nah. I'll never forget when he wrote off games as bad/slow when he didn't even figure out how to use core mechanics for entire playthroughs.
Nah, I liked his content, but he always gave off weird vibes. He was overly "nice" and respectful, but it never felt genuine. It's difficult to explain, but it felt textbook.
Considering his response video was full of emotional manipulation, I think my intuition was right.
Not gonna lie, he has always shown red flags of being exactly like this. Learn from this and you'll see the snakes in the grass easier. There are plenty of good UA-camrs who don't show the red flags. Jirard has always worn a mask in his videos, he's fake. That's the only red flag you need. Stick to genuine folks. Anyone acting like Jirard in their videos is fake for a reason.
@@jesustyronechrist2330 this is exactly what I'm saying, yes 100% yes
I love Karl's videos so much. It was the first time I ever actually heard him get mad about a situation. Rightfully so. Everything the completionist did was scummy; using his mother's death as a shield is one of the worst.
It's amazing how many people I saw on twitter saying that Karl loses credibility for putting ads in the videos
@@Wallace-Amadeus I know! These people think making money off the video is scummy when he HAS too, it's his literal JOB to make videos. That's like saying the software I write is scummy because I got paid for it 😆.
@@1845net Like he didn't monetize the first one, any after that is whatever, he's just getting further into the info and getting paid for his job, like you said
@@Wallace-Amadeusyep, saw that, too. even worse imo is the stance of so many buffoons, that they didn't study journalism, therefore their investigation is invalid.
I fucking hate twitter so much, but nowadays you're kinda forced to use it if you wanna know what's up.
I worked with a guy who you would guess would be the LAST person to lie, cheat, or steal. Turns out he was stealing thousands of dollars a month. When he got caught I didn't even want to believe it but the evidence was overwhelming. They had been on to him for weeks and stacked up a ton of evidence. It was irrefutable.
So for all of those who are saying, "nah, he's a good guy! He's not capable of this!", don't let him off the hook just because he "seems like a good guy." Remove that bias and look at the evidence. People will surprise you.
In an angry rant, he admitted to using his dead mom to steal money.
Great plan.
Actually good idea until it's not
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What's worse open hand even mispelled dementia and nobody noticed
@@kobra6660 could be worse, they could say their charity was FOR dementia as opposed to dementia research... oh wait....
@@kobra6660apparently they even misspelled his mom's name
My grandmother had dementia towards the end of her life in and passed in 2020 because of it. I've seen what it can do to a family so this story is really personal in so many ways. The fact that it has taken Jirard this long to donate the money and his behavior during his response video truly says a lot about his character. I always get the thought of "Maybe that money throughout the years could've gone towards helping my grandma with her dementia. "Hell, not just my grandma , but that money could've helped so many people struggling with it but the fact that he chose NOW to do it after public scrutiny is truly deplorable. He seemed like a good guy at the time but this is truly disappointing.
yeah the tricky thing with cases like this is that even with the money finally donated, that's a decade of research that could've been done by now. Time the families will never get back
To even get Charlie's personal respect would be a victory out of this world *but to lose it* .. could as well just stop to exist
I can’t feel bad for the Completionist because even if you give him the benefit of the doubt (which I personally DO NOT), and he is just a dumbass for his complete negligence, this is a grave he himself has dug.
From fame to shame… Everyone should remember that big negative actions you do will ALWAYS outshine the big positives in people’s minds.
Completely agree
The fact that he just lies about what organizations supported the charity says enough tbh. It can’t even be gross negligence imo
Not after 10 years.
@@Jidom_101he didn't lie he was going to make a endowment fund for the research which is when a charity deposits money to accumulate interest but nobody is allowed to touch the donations but the research can use all of the interest.
@@Diablo3364Jirfraud lied about how he used the money on his Twitch streams, and he lied about donating to various charities when no donation was made.
Donation fraud is hands down one of the scummiest things you can do, staring in eyes of kind people and lying to them to make a some money. Despicable
But if doesn’t touch the money, for years, what’s even the point, the whole situation is just strange
Part of the money was used to keep the charity running, and funding expenses for the indieland events. Running the events, in turn, was also good PR for Jirard's public image, probably got him quite a few subscribers and followers over the years, indirectly.
@@limesovalemons1483I think there were small transactions here and there
Also the money devalued
I think it gets easier to lie, when you see the number going up 😂
He goes really fast from ''oh i made a mistake, thank you for pointing it out.'' then to ''you threatened my family, i am gonna sue you''
Reverse Logan Paul
Fun subject to discuss partial to this topic, have yall ever noticed that charity organizations basically throw all that potential money into whatever the event is when in reality the people could just not do the event and instead just give whatever money straight to the charity???
Yeah. The open hand legit spend 170 thousand dollars on fundraisers. Like how tf did they manage this? They are a small charity. They donated 600k but spend almost 200k on some events. Did they book the most expensive hotels and catering or what? Its so fishy
Don't know if you know, Jirard just released a video of him playing the Super Mario RPG remake and he briefly mentioned about the situation for a minute and then moved on. I'm guessing this is what he's going to plan on doing, mention the problem for a minute then sweep it under the rug like nothing ever happened.
Guy literally just ran an event after "discovering" no donations left the bank and still claimed he was working with groups he admitted he never made deals with.
It sucks how many celebrities and content creators who we admired as kids turns out to be scumbags.
jacksepticeye still keeping things real
The Normal Boots gang fell off in the late 2010s with JonTron and then the false accusations with ProJared, and now Jirard is in some heat
Seems on youtube the rule is today you're shitting on people, tomorrow people will be shitting on you. I think it's only a matter of time until our lord and savior penguiz0/Keemstar 2.0 here also gets involved in some controversy and "canceled".
I mean he kind of did get involved in some scuffle regarding charity way back (not really comparable to Jirard's situtation though)
@@guilhermesimionato7928that be awesome, tried of seeing his new stuff, needs a real job.
My grandfather died of temporal dementia the only reason I ever gave that c********* money was because his mom died of the same thing and he was doing something about it to find out now that the money wasn't going towards anything is so enraging to me like I don't make much money and I gave him as much as I possibly could for it to do absolutely nothing it's disgusting how he uses his mother's memory to do this and steal money from people
That fucking sucks man. There is a special place in hell for people like Jirard.
Jirard: "I refuse to let you guys accuse me of embezzlement and using my mother's death to commit charity fraud"
Karl: "I didn't actually do that, but since you brought it up..."
Cry
@@RigbyIsTheMan Projection
Okay not defending Jirard here, the situation is pretty weird, but Karl *did* accuse him of fraud in both his Discord and literally its on one of his thumbnails. Which may be totally correct, but y'know. If its not true, that's going to be *really* bad for Karl
@@RPGManoWarwith the evidence karl and mutahar have presented. Jirad has no case. By every definition the open hand foundation has committed charity fraud. The question is whether the charity fraud is on purpose or if it’s gross negligence. Either way, fraud is fraud.
@@RPGManoWar His original video didn't accuse him of embezzlement which was the ridiculous accusation. Of course now that he literally admitted to embezzlement Karl added that in.
Karl is in zero danger as Jirard and his felonious cronies will be more worried about the jail time that is coming their way. 😉
Seeing Projared crawl out from under the scum covered rocks to go "NUH UH, YOU GUYS ARE WRONG THERES NO SCAM HERE" was amazing.
without even watching the video XD that was legendary
To be fair to Jared, he was caught up in a controversy of his own where he proved he was innocent.
Jared probably sees his buddy being attacked and remembering when he went through this decided to say something. Now in this case I think the completionist is totally in the wrong but I can’t fault a guy for trying to defend his friend.
In fact I recall when Jared went through this, peanut butter gamer, another normal boots guy, also jumped to Jared’s defense. This whole situation feels like a repeat of Jared’s controversy.
Except… there Jared was innocent and here I’m really struggling to see the completionist as anything but a scammer.
every time i feel like he is shady, and then he somehow manages to uno it back up. i was finally starting to think i just didnt like his nose or something, and then he pull this shit.
guess i should trust my gut instinct more from now on...
@@AnimatedTerror I felt bad for PBG since in the end, he technically was right (besides the minor tumblr sexting) about PJ, but in this case Jared is just wrong.
You’d think he’d have learned. It really hurts PJ’s already damaged credibility.
@@AnimatedTerrorJared is still on UA-cam, although he doesn’t get as much views as he did in his prime
This llegimantly made me sad, I think similarly to how it seems to do for Charlie. I've watched The Completionist for years and loved his content. Feels like half of the creators I like always end up doing something terrible behind the scenes.
I'm glad the "all money will go to the charity" part was highlighted. When I heard that statement and yet also heard that they've taken money for admin costs I thought it would be an important point, yet people just gloss over it. I know that operational costs are a thing, but maybe don't say that all the money will go to charity and you won't touch a penny then.
Based on other reporting here, I think I know what’s going on. It seems like Jirard’s rich family had been running a charity scam through their golf tourney for a while now. Like they underreported the amount made from donations there and kept a small amount. Once Jirard started doing Indieland donations, that larger sum was used to hide ALL the money collected via the golf tourney, and they’ve been stealing that. Once direct donations got big enough that was ALSO used to hide his twitch donations and merch being pocketed instead of donated. I think it’s fair to say close to a million dollars has actually been donated to his organization, but he’s just pocketed the difference with some shady accounting.
Yep, pretty much what I think too.
I think what you’re saying. But it’s probably actually his dad or something doing the scam.
Would explain why he wasn’t aware of the situation for so long, but also why he’s trying really hard to do damage control now.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case, nor would I be surprised if all the fund raising was genuinely done with the best intentions for the stated cause.
That’s not a defence of them as best case scenario is that they neglectfully procrastinated on doing their one job with the money they raised, a chunk of which they very likely wouldn’t have if the donors weren’t lied to. That’s definitely plenty bad enough that it needs addressing.
@@bensonk1939But he admits he was aware since 2022. And when he talked to them he said he would “do right” and then did a heel turn to sue. AND ALSO he stated numerous times they were the main contributors to certain donations. The Conpletionist can only feign ignorance for so long here 😂
Regardless if he is disgusted if its true that he just find out, he is still screwed Regardless. All he can do if he legit wants the least worst sentence is throwing his entire family to the wolves 😂
Whats weird is how he acts during the discord call vs how he acted during his response. Doing right by the people calling him out by suing them is extremely insane.
I bet he has spoekn to a laywer and figured out he is likely going to prison for this. That would explain the pivit in the way they are handling this. Denying his own involement was unlikely to work so now the plan is to deny any wrong doing ever happened at all.
Honestly makes it feel like he is really manipulative. In private he acts nice and remorseful with somw defensiveness but wants to make things right but acts super defensive and aggro in public while trying to create the narrative that the two who were calling things out are leeches trying to get clout from him.
He is thanking and sucking up to them in private and trying to make them pariahs in public
I want to remind people that there were suspiciously fast clear times with games and he did have a less then positive breakup with a past member which if I recall correctly was over monetary issues.
This suspicious behavior with the proof of the charity events suggests he has been lying manipulating people for a long time.
"You're not an accountant so it doesn't matter." Jirards friends jumping through hoops to save his ass.
Jirard inadvertently admitting to lying to donators and using the money how they chose rather than it going “directly to charity” was also the moment I understood he cannot be trusted and very likely criminal activity has been occurring for years.
I stand by Karl Jobst and Mutahar. Jirard has shown his true colors, lying about the organizations Openhand donated to. Even after being caught in the Discord call, he went on to continue lying about the organizations they are partnered with without donating like he promised he was going to. After the second videos of Muta and Karl and community backlash was when Jirard finally donated the money to a hospital.
I thought the money moved after the first, but before the second video. doesn't change much, but I'm a stickler for details lol
I remember watching his videos while growing up. You just never know what people are like in their private lives.
I like how the completionists response video just made his case worse than it already was and now the situation leans even more against the completionist than before.
Man this situation hurts. One of the few times I’ve ever felt sad unsubbing from a channel.
For those that don't know basically the only crime jared is guilty of is miscommunication. What Jared was doing was a thing called an endowment fund, which is where you put money into a interest account and let the money accumulate and while the initial deposit can't be touched all the interest can and essentially provides a long-term donation where the charity continually gains interest and uses the interest to have a life long payment that the actual research organization can use.
I have a grandma who we are currently taking care of with dementia, let me tell you the medicine helps is absolutely deplorable that they weren’t supporting that and keeping the money there for so long.
Same with my relative who has early onset dementia, participated in a study and was in the treatment group. It worked but they are not continuing giving him the medication for free because the study ended. This charity money could have gone to people like my uncle so he could afford the outrageous price that the study group wants him to fork over. He was their lab rat and they won’t give him the medication as compensation.
@@mburg33 I’m sorry to hear that… hope things get better! ❤️🩹
If you "panic" when someone asks about your charity, you're already in some shit.