The NERF whack-a-mole of Necropolis League.
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Zizaran shares his opinion on the changes of Necropolis League that brings nerfs to multiple strategies the players have been using to farm in Path of Exile 3.24 Necropolis League.
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Ziz: T17's are harder than Ubers.
GGG: We hear you. Ubers now roll with minimum of 8 map modifiers.
Remember to make the modifiers random and you only see them after you open the boss for extra "fun" :D
Yeah. It's really weird how on top they are with stuff like this but they blatantly ignore the community screaming at the top of their lungs about universally hated stuff like reflect damage.
@@Coecoo i hate reflected damage, i enjoyed the sextant that prevented it, but guess what
@@JakeInvest No fun allowed.
The thing about all the anti reflect modifiers we have left is that not only are they not enough for 99% of builds if it isn't 100% but even if you do get 100%, there are a bunch of things that can mess with and/or lower it.
Since players are running around doing millions of damage, even a 0.0001% reflect damage on someone with 3-5k hp is instant death.
It also isn't fun for anyone to specifically get a bunch of garbage that does nothing else but to counter this one singular modifier that everyone hates.
@@Coecoo I don't get why we still have build disabling mods to this day. No , reflected damage, immune to . Seriously, how are those still part of the design?
I don't mind reduced effect, but flat out disabling your build? That's dumb draconian design choices.
Biggest problem I see for newer players is that they nerfed all the mechanics that gave you decent income at low level or with a non super uber build, line essences heist and expedition, they are hardly rewarding now, well essences might be but you cannot do them in white maps anymore
I don't want to feel "competitive with the no lifers" but I do wanna feel like there's merit in playing normally instead of hanging off the top 1%'s twitch streams constantly to find exploits to manipulate that are 200000% more efficient than normal gameplay. It's just so gross.
just play trade ruthless
Well said
I don't like to feel competitive necessarily, but I do like having the aspiration of eventually reaching the top 1% strats even if I can't do them for the first 1-2 weeks. Affliction was so nice because everyone could eventually get to the point of doing the high end MF farming. There were no nerfs to the strat and the economy didn't collapse or anything. I personally think that the Rogue Exiles should've served that function of being this League's aspirational farming content that people would improve their builds for. The nerfs that they did to it were a little too much, and it really only got out of hand when it was taken to t17s anyways.
@@TheAluvisify Honestly they need to reconsider beyond farming. It's always been a huge multiplier for MF strats and just amplifies the current MF problem.
What is the issue here? Play the game normally then. Before people found these exploits and started abusing them you played the game normally and you can now as well. I get that for these types of games being efficient is what it's all about and big damage numbers go brr or whatever, but at the end of the day you're still playing a game. If being uber efficient is ruining the fun of the game then stop being uber efficient. No one's holding a gun to your head demanding that you play the game in the most efficient or easiest way possible.
The problem with all of these nerfs is that they're aimed at the 1% but it negatively affects everyone else.
How does nerfing a strategy, that you wouldn't be able to run in the first place, affect you negatively? The problem is with T17's being the meta right now, every T16 strat doesn't seem worth doing in comparison. But then again, that shouldn't affect the vast majority of the player base because most of them can't even run T17's and even normal T16 farming will still make you a lot of money. HH is 15 divs right now. You can farm that in one to two hours with just normal T16 strats.
Most of these nerfs were absolutely necessary. The seer and div conversion fishing was pure degeneracy and the div card farming with exiles and beyond was not only bricking the economy but also the servers. Could they have handled the nerfs a bit differently? Sure, I give you that.
@@sgt.pepper5078ignorance at it's finest, no casual player is farming 15-20 divs in an hour that's ridiculous, nerfing mechanics into the ground so they don't get abused hurts everybody, that's common sense. The less mechanics that are useful the worse off everyone is, nobody wants to run normal un-juiced no mechanic t16's like you seem to love so much
TLDR; top tier players abuse the game and get the most out of it, casuals get the crumbs
brother top playeres u are talking about is the ones that are inventing these strategies dont be like "oh i couldnt do it" lmao u didnt even know the strategie to begin with
@@mewi3826 yeah using a frog all flame on a divine mod is such a big brain strategy that nobody could have ever come up with it on their own.
Most of the casual are always broke compared to them, regardless of league^^ I'm happy if I can make a build per League up to one mirror and thats enough
@@mewi3826 ball sucker
@vanreysantiago4779 By that logic, no strategies are ever invented, cuz the developers make literally everything. No builds, no tech, no strategies, cuz the developers made everything.
Pretty fitting for that this is the necropolis league, seeing how there are so many dead strats to be buried
Well played good sir or madam.
I don't think there was a way for GGG to win with this, but the mid-league nerfs hurt the normal players more than the abusers in my opinion. We actually had the opportunity to sell the scarabs we were finding in our normal T16 maps, some of those scarabs were going for 40 div each, and buy cheap Magebloods due to how many there were in the economy. Now that's gone, but the people who abused the strategy to make multiple mirrors, still have multiple mirrors. Like you said, it's the pinnacle of "abuse early, abuse often".
LOL, veryone who better than you is nolifer. And any person who worse than you is a noob😂
So true.
especially since they nerf-hammered a lot of these, instead of just making them a bit less rewarding.
They changed league mechanic, Atlas, T17's, and scarabs all at once. There were always going to be missed combinations that are OP with that many changes.
It's honestly a bit confusing just HOW much changed. That's not their usual mo and... Yeah, this league shows why. Just the scarab changes would have been WAAAAAAAY bigger than anything we've gotten since the modern atlas tree. And then we get the atlas shake up too. And then we get t17s to "bridge the gap" between Ubers and normal. And ON TOP OF THAT the league mechanic is on the tree. And the mechanic is a crafting league. With a juicing component. Don't get me wrong, I kind of enjoy the frigging mayhem, but this should've rightfully raised GIGANTIC red flags at their office, and I honestly don't like when such vast sweeping changes happen all at once. What we got this league alone would have been EASILY enough for one year worth of leagues. And good ones too.
@@nextgen3ric Personally, the unpredictability is why I still play PoE after 10 years. There's always something crazy every 3 months
TBH some of them are obvious like the div card strat
Yes! It's felt like too many changes that became demotivating (for me at least)
From my perspective, I'm still learning about the atlas tree and the details of various other mechanics. I've decided not to allocate any mental capacity to Necropolis as it will be gone eventually. I'm investing my time learning mechanics that will be useful next season. Necropolis just feels like it's in the way.
My second seasson, the only interaction i had with Necropolis League on atlas, was to tune down haunted mods on my Map Farming build so i dont get tier 16 maps with monster on triple 150% add elemental dmg.
You absolutely should pay attention to the Necropolis!
It will teach you valuable lessons about crafting: prefixes, suffixes, tags, weights, tiers, etc.
All of this knowledge is transferable to almost all other forms of crafting.
Not only that, but you can craft yourself some ridiculously good gear for quite cheap in the Graveyard.
@@sujimayne The RNG nature of crafting in poe, while super powerful, has always bothered me too much to bother putting much time into it. The fact that I can do everything right, spend hours setting things up and still have a chance at bricking an item and having all the time and currency go down the drain made me just not care about it at all. Much prefer to just buy what I need in trade league. And with that mindset Necropolis to me is just basically a throwaway league. All the corpses do is get in the way of me clicking on stuff I actually care about.
This league will stay. They didnt add it to the atlas tree as a yolo.
@@LazyCommunist You're thinking wrong about crafting. You think "i'll spend until i get 5 of the mods i want". NO. You just try to get a decent craft until you finally hit the jackpot. In the meanwhile you sell off the failures for good money to people that dont know shit about crafting.
My problem with the league is the current state of trade. I tried essence and got a hard time to sell those, tried scarab farm and it was really bad to sell one by one, tried maps farm(influenced, 8 mods and normal) and right now nobody is buying it, tried harvest and is crazy how yellow juice is 7k for 1 divine. The only thing that actually sells fast and for good money is t17 and some corpses.
They also killed Delve this league and Betrayal pog
You need to learn to sell in bulk. You only sell essences and scarabs after you have LOTS of them and for many divines.
Try Delve lol
@@jscott1407Delve is still good, always will be. But it's not as good as previous leagues due to resonators being bricked.
same man, I feel like with the rework and the state of the league/gravecrafting so many mechnics feels very unrewarding. I would have loved to see some Atlas passive/scarab buffs these few patches. Its crazy how many mechanics got hit by the double nerf to stacked decks.
here i am ass broke with 2 divines watching whats going on in this league 😄
Me too
yeah, ditto. 2 divines...
Same brother
ssf, 4 divines. chilling
Divines? Never knew her...
Buying headhunter under 20 divines on softcore is truly a unique experience...
Man i buy 10 of them for 10-15div each xD
This league my first headhunter ever being a bought one, so im glad they are cheap this league
They bit off way more than they could properly test
1) scarab rework- massive.
2) the allflames
3) the haunted (yellow) modifiers on the map device
4) not to mention the options opened up by the crazy powerful crafting system. It’s only balanced by its clunk.
And all that is before we even consider the balance changes, making testing even harder.
Testing? nobody got time for that!
100000000%
It's funny you assume any of this was tested 😂
Yellow haunted modifiers are called devoted modifiers.
They tested the Scarabs system for a lot longer than other stuff, if you pay attention you'll see that almost all of the abuse cases have to do with the Back to Basics keystone and/or the League mechanic, which isnt the fault of the Scarabs system
It has become a case of the 1% holding 99.9% of the wealth. That is what is so galling about how ggg has handled this. They have nerfed everything to the ground. My level 96 character has only seen 2 divines. That is insanely unrewarding and demoralizing.
that is always the case. it's just more visible this league.
@@Tehblood no it isnt, last league i had 36 divines on ssf, this league i have 3 (pure drops). I have seen a grand total of 2 nameless seers (one at level 7 on day 1) and the best mod I got from the league mechanic was 5.2% chance to drop a chaos orb, which got me 30 something chaos. The difference this league is much larger than it usually is.
damn yall must be doing sumn wrong. my first maven fight netted me a 50 div gem. ritual has produced atleast 10 raw divines for me prolly more and that just raw drops. fuck i jsut leveled a tr pathfinder and had a ras div drop in act 8. so idk know what yall gotta be doing but its wrong. its wayy too easy to make currency with the new scarab setup. maybe poe isnt for u try d4
Lmao then you're awful and don't deserve loot to begin with. Use your brain
@@craigcarlson1345 Do you think that getting the absolute most rare and expensive gem from Maven is a normal thing that people just aren't doing correctly unlike you. This comment is actually one of the dumbest comments I've seen in a while lmao
How much they are trolling us not letting the coffins stack...
Buy more tabs
We need necropolis tab to keep a lot of them in 1 tab i have 2+ quad tabs of coffins and 1+ usual tabs for allflames like wth
@@veil3756 or you know, the Necropolis could actually store corpses like beasts and we wouldn't have to worry about it.
This tedious and made just to waste your time and inventory space. This is designed to make you buy stash tabs...
@@86TrapHouse No don't reward them for this stupid mechanic.
I personally love the influx of unique strategies, I just wished that most if not all had smaller entry level scarabs so that they werent locked behind such massive scarab paywalls.
The problem with nerfs, especially in multiplayer games, is that they often feel like punishment as opposed to corrections. The more persistant the gains pre-nerf (such as currency/levels/etc) the more easily it feels like a punishment.
As a normal player who can't even do t17, everything else feels sooooo bad. Nothing you can realisticly farm is worth anything but the items you need to upgrade are still the same price. Most deafening essences are 3c at most, oils are worth nothing, double corrupt temples keep dropping in price instead of rising like past league. Its just sad and frustrating currently
well that might not necessarily be from t17s. Chaos orbs are just much more valuable this league making items you get from league mechanics cheaper because their effects aren't as valuable as putting on 5 more boxes on your map. Corpse mechanic also makes all currencies less valuable because you can bypass them to make perfect 6 t1 explicit items.
if you are still interested in playing the league, I highly recommend looking into corpse/tattoo/t17 map/scarab farming. The only currencies left that are worth anything and much more farmable on t16s so people on tier 17s dont really compete with you.
Gold oils are still half a div each so that's at least something
sanctum still prints currency. so there's that.
Haven't tried t17, but was farming 100%deli 16s and was mostly getting crap.
Seems they nerfed the loot below 17s
theres heaps you can farm. alch+go t16 is like minimum 6div/hr.
T17, allflames, crafting corpses etc. you get so much currency from bulk selling those its insane. And that stuff drops very commonly, way more common than raw divines or anything.
They really need to trim off some of the juice and move the reward curve back down. Without scarabs most of the stuff on the atlas feels like it does nothing. Its pretty obvious they moved the drop table up into T17s which means a nerf for everything under it.
You forgot about The Feared Invitations giving progress to every party member and farming 6-man Feareds.
Still happening? lol
Another nerf to the expedition currency. It's just insulting at this point
They don't care cause streamers largely simp for them but the crash in retention is hilarious
i think my main issue with the league is not even that most people missed out, i certaintly did, but more how so many design choices shift content towards only the most hardcore players.. ie gating bosses behind t17. as you said, playing well but not nolife-ing now feels like its fallen out of favor with GGG's design philosophy
Forcing a league mechanic that adds difficulty just feels bad, obviously doesn't help that the rewards are lackluster specially after nerfs. Despite being a crafting league I feel a lot of player don't wanna craft because its just way to convoluted but we can't just enjoy base game since we are forced into the league mechanic. Also feels like the huge amount of nerfs just aren't compensate by buffs. All casual players will see if their favorite streamer doing a cool strat, it gets nerfed and they get nothing fun to do.
Doesn't help that they gutted drops in anything that isn't t17 with back to basics.
You are playing the League. If you don't want the League, then don't play the League. Simple as.
@@sujimayne this mentality is so dumb,
@@sujimayne Leagues are why most players are playing this game
The crafting is really not convoluted. I can almost guarantee you that it would take like 5 minutes of brain power to figure out how to use it efficiently if you actually bothered to do so. The real problem is the weighting of corpse mod drops and basically being forced to bulk trade for corpses that you need which...doesn't feel good at all.
The Anarchy + Beyond strat was actually predicted by a reddit comment before league start, as soon as the scarabs were revealed, though I haven't been able to find that comment again.
My favourite suggestion that I saw for fixing Divine fishing would be for them to hide which currency item the monster packs have a chance to drop; just say "% chance to drop an additional currency item", but keep it uniform as a single currency item for each of that monster pack in the map.
My experience this league has been farm 200D. Invest the 200D into 5 scarabs. Wake up to find those nerfed and worth 6D. Take a breather. Get back on to invest the crumbs i had left on meatsack scarabs/all flames. Wake up, its all nerfed.
That was unfortunately the league ender for me. In 15k hours ive never seen them do this, and to be screwed 2 times back to back by them was really rough.
Why buy the stuff and go to bed instead of running it though? That's incredibly funny. But I agree with you 100%. Never seen they nerfing the game based simply on "it's too rewarding" and so fast like that. I'm glad I quit this league before it was even rewarding lol
@@user-qn1np9gu5q because some people can only play a few hours a day. You have to prepare sets and be efficient in the time you have. Like I said, they aren't known for mid league changes to mechanics like this. Especially multiple times.
isn't 200 divine heaps? how many could you possibly need. i've had 4. You guys are playing a completely different game to me
imagine flipping and being bad at it only to complain you got fucked LMAO
@@KuenchinDofus What the fuck you talking about. It's not flipping. That's preparing to doing fucking maps and getting nerfed to the ground by ggg without any info before.
Yea has been a complete pain for those of us with work & life stuff going on … “left behind” completely sums up this league. Couldn’t play much early in season and now feeling like I am out of touch
And trade already feels dead
Thanks for your amazing video! I normally last a lot longer in a league but I am getting bored now and I've played a fair amount and am an intermediate player with over 70div in my build. I find farming fairly overwhelming with the complexity of scarabs, lantern, T17, atlas changes, etc. I find a lot of small currency and the issues with the economy, broken farming, lack of retention, etc. is quickly making it worse as I can't sell typically strong items and am left trying to continuously check the extreme fluctuations in pricing on items. Long story short, this has been a bummer of a league and hopefully a strong leanrning experience for GGG. I love PoE and all the devs do and am grateful for my, still, favorite game. Thank you to you @Zizaran for making these videos and being a messenger between us and GGG.
I think they have become much more adventurous and experimental when it comes to new leagues. They changed so much during the last two leagues, all the new ways to juice your maps, the new scarabs, the new ascendancies in Affliction. So, to a certain degree, it is forgivable that there are some holes they did not anticipate. Some strategies which involve a complex interaction of scarabs and allflames (such as combining rogue exiles, beyond, and divination scarabs) are difficult to foresee. However, I cannot understand that they did not anticipate the fishing for divines and nameless seers strategies, because they were so obvious. A second factor I think was a complete overreaction to the initial criticism regarding the league mechanic and that it was not rewarding enough. They saw the bad player retention during the first weekend and completely lost their mind, resulting in a severely overtuned buff with the next patch. However, my main concern is now that they go too conservative now and that the next update will be boring. We will see.
I'm a new player, this is my first league, i just finished getting the first 2 void stones and am about halfway through the 115 bonus objectives. I'm also running RF and starting to hit some walls. All the gear I need to buy is multiple divine, and I'm just flat out struggling trying to figure out what i can do to farm a couple divine in a week just so i can buy the actual gear i need to keep progressing. This helps me at least understand why! Now just to figure out what strategies i can actually make use of as a semi casual player who can only play 2 hours a day.
100% recommend alva. Getting a double-corrupt temple requires only a basic build to do, and the juicers are gobbling up double-corrupts.
It's still 0.01% of what they are making, but hey, you'll get your divs eventually.
@mad-shade, I ended my league after 1st week but I had been running beast farming and made enough for my investments to go on standard. The strat itself requires very little gear to do and is usually 20div+ an hour selling in bulks.
And the strategy itself is garanteed not to lose money due to the new scarabs
Empyrian is currently working on a series where he reviews some starts based on how fun and profitable they are. So far, he's covered breach, legion, ritual and mysterious barrel farming. I think he's currently working on blight. I'd recommend checking out some of those videos.
Still waiting for them to unfuck everything everyone hated from 3.15...
Goldfish memories this community has sometimes. Its crazy.
Any fun for players : instant modification. Years long problems for players : not adressed
SO TRUE IT HURTS
Don't worry, they've been "thinking" about melee for years.
Toruchlight just added pick QoL that pretty much suck in all currency that matches the type you just picked up, so if you pick up 1 of the 30 chaos orbs next to you it all gets suck into the inv
Let's be fair here, tons of long term issues have been fixed with Necropolis with the tons of QoL they've made.
We've lost some, sure.
As a person who never defeated an uber.. I feel kind of left out. I do feel like people who are not able to abuse the new hot moneymaking strat are missing out because of the nerfs.. Like the people at the top already abused them for 2 weeks before the nerf so they have mirrors upon mirrors
Yeah the fact that I have yet to see a single divine orb devoted mod and I have a 97 a 95 and a 90 is wild. It's just a ghost. I legit dropped a mirror in ToTA league before I ever even saw the divine orb altar from blue altars too (still haven't lol)
I hear ya. I have a lvl 100 99 94 and 89. No divine devoted mods
@@fatbrownies2399 So depressing. This is what has made me not play the past week or so... after seeing no one get divine devoted it feels like the dopamine rush is completely gone (I only just barely made it to maps by the time these nerfs took place)
Because those who see divine altars or devoted mods playing 10+ hours/day
i think the league was a mess tbh. i played till i got mage blood then cbf farming currency anymore. hopefully next league mech is actually good and less bs farms like these going around
Yeah, I feel like I'm going to be pretty done once I get my challenges. Between the aggressively mid league mechanic and the endgame changes, it'll probably be good to take a break after the dopamine-fest that was Affliction.
why do people play like this? get mb super quick and burn out? seems like an awful way to play a game. almost like people set themselves up for not having fun by playing whatever is the most meta.
play ssf, and spec into the content you wanna run thats fun. It'll make the league last a long time.
@@crimelord90 yep exactly this. except I happen to play on trade just so I can play with a buddy of mine, but still primarily play self found
@@crimelord90 i wish they would add a guild ssf league, like you can only trade with a guild member that would be so cool
It's been an ... interesting experience this league...
I was out of town at the start of the league, so I was still leveling just as the first waves of nerfs landed. I was looking forward to maybe finding one of those divine drops later on, as I'm someone who rarely plays enough to afford really nice gear. I've managed to get probably one of the strongest characters I've ever had, mostly because there's just such good gear available way cheaper than ever before... presumably as a result of the Graveyard crafts... but I'm still trying to finish out my Atlas, so I'm way off even being able to try one of the strats.
Oh wells... there's always next league...
this strategy wasn't terribly difficult to discover, this is my second season of poe and I've almost reached it myself, if you play with the tree and test different configurations, such things come naturally, I've been fishing for 200-300 divination cards on one map for a week now.
The part that pisses me off is that their answer is to absolutely nuke the strategies rather than think up an actual meaningful nerf
the last strat wasnt even meant to be. ghost shouldnt spaw in back to basic maps, so of course they gonna nuke it
@@SPACEGOD21 not true since the necropolis node explicitly said 50% chance to spawn a tormented spirit and you weren't adding any "extra content". Was it op? yes. did they need to completely nuke the interaction... No
@@stfucookieman957Back to basics literally says it cannot "appear" in a map. So yeah it was a big abuse it literally wasn't supposed to appear in the map.
@@stfucookieman957 Tormented Spirits are from Torment league, thus it is count as Extra Content (since you add extra monsters to the map, that are not naturally there), therefor it should've never worked with Back To Basics. I can understand your point about nuking, but this one was clearly a not intended bug.
@@joshuac1876 the issue with this is this: the keystone worked as said but ggg forgot that the league mechanic circumvented the interaction - so ggg calls this "unintended" interaction. What I dont like about this is that people KNOW it should not be possible, still go for it and thus ABUSE/EXPLOIT the mechanic to enrich themselves which SHOULD be punishable to be honest. Honestly, if i take a keystone saying ALL THINGS ARE OFF and something is still working, that IS exploiting the system >:/
In short, yes, people like ben DID exploit the system but streamer rights are a thing so what of it? GGG needs to set up a new playground with clear wording and not vague "unintended" bullshit so everyone can go by these guidelines!
"Abuse League"
I agree with your opinion, there are builds with a lot of investment that cannot experience tier 17 to get a sad invite. I think it has gotten out of hand and no matter how much mitigation you achieve, the experience is not pleasant. I still defend that they should leave the optional mechanic in the map device even if you receive less reward, since it is impossible to find a solution with different monsterpack modifiers and curses that are impossible to mitigate. Without a doubt this league is only for SSF users. Good reflection
As someone who had a lot of fun in this league but hasn't really paid attention to the 'meta' I didn't know about any of these strategies or that they had been changed!
truly the fomo league is strong
its not fomo if u are actually missing out.
There's no such thing as fomo.
@@keldon1137 it's more like domo.
Dread of missing out
The sad part is that, as a ssf/gsf player the league mechanic is lacking a lot. None of those strategies were accessible and they got nerfed even before I could setup to do it once. Farming a bunch of the same corpse is quite hard, the haunted modifiers on maps makes everything even harder. I'm ok with scaling the difficult of the game, but this time I took twice as much to finish my atlas, I barely could do any content on red maps and I don't feel that I got better rewards then previous leagues. As a example, Sanctum made currency very accessible early, with none impact over your progress, TotA too it actually give us borrowed powers with Tattos and Omens you could either or not farm matches to get good rares/uniques/currency, zero impact over your progress, Affliction gave us a lot of borrowed powers with the additional ascendency and you could juice your maps for significantly better rewards, not mandatory. But this league ... I hate when I need to select haunted mods for a map that I need for completion. Of course it got better, but progress on red maps was very slow this league!
Yeah i feel the same way in SSF. Im finding overall the maps more doable compared to wisp juice, but you're absolutely right about the rewards. The corpses you get are so RNG, i havent gotten much out of the crafting yet. Rog is where ive yielded my best items
Sanctum is the most garbage mechanic in the game. Makes defenses around recoup/recovery completely useless. The rewards are absolutely NOT worth running the several hours per sanctum for, and you die half way through the second floor because there are no god damn fountains. Sanctum is absolute dog shit.
@@jordanharrison8769 you tried to run Sanctum with a melee build didn't you
@@Omenshaper nope. Believe it or not, I’m not stupid. I recognize content for what it is.
It's not just a question of being competitive or being left behind, because the game economy affects everyone, even someone who plays casually.
In the best case scenario, a dream chase item for your build becomes cheaper and you can finally finish your build at a reasonable price - like the HeadHunter and Magebloods for cheap early in the league.
In the worst case scenario, the chase items become so expensive due to inflation that people who play normally can't ever afford the items, and must farm items that are incredibly rare even if it's just useful to them.
I think a possible solution would be for GGG to have a more aggressive stance on disabling interactions that seem to be quite unintended. Like, if they had some sort of way to disable / lock certain mechanics in sub hour of discovery and wait for an investigation before enabling it. We know for instant that with the keystone back to basics the open map button is locked if you put in wrong scarabs.
What if they had a way to disable the use of a scarab, or a tree that has a locked node, with some news as to why it is locked. That way you would be able to hit the brakes immediately when something is made public. Sure you wont stop small groups that discover these things early, but at least you will stop it from completely wrecking the economy when it is made public and the stay up for 24 hours before it gets nerfed degeneracy happens.
Thanks for the nerfs! I never saw the nameless seer or a divine on the floor :D But i got 5 exalteds :D
About the 17's is that i dont want to pay for someone to clear one for me... so i still have 4 map slots. I would love to see what would you feel if you were not playing trade this league.
Your fault for not exploiting the "unique monsters remove 10% life/ES on hit"... /sarcasm off
Happy to see it's not just me who hates buying carries.
As well as I just feel squishy. Though I am running my own build, and it is squishier than I should have made it so that's on me.
I just want my 4 way to 5 slots back.
I hate buying carries. I also don’t understand why I should for things I got without it before… I don’t pay anyone to play the game for me
I have two kids. I play a couple of hours of SSF at night. I've felt like I've had more agency, I've felt like I've been building toward big items I usually don't get to see, and I've actually been having fun. So IDK, I think this league has been pretty great. (I built an all T2 ele bow that's gonna rock worlds. Just plop down corpses that say less physical stuff and more elemental stuff. Love it.)
This is truly your Vietnam.
I think the core design problem here is that they made a ton of changes to endgame systems and the league mechanic didn't really give us any ways to delete items, in fact, the opposite. I think when making this many changes, abuse cases are guaranteed and the league mechanic should act as a release valve to gamble and delete stuff.
I was having a lot of fun with the lantern mods at the start of the league, now that they nerf pretty much everything you get on the lamp is really underwhelming, its kinda sad for casuals to play now.
PoE start to be more of a work more than having fun for me lately, I don't know why.
Maybe because I find LE Guild that helping on drop and easy to understand crafting more fun and it made me afraid to go back to PoE.
Also, there no real update on Melee whatsoever for quite sometimes now so.... until PoE2 I guess.
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First league since I started playing poe where I quit a few days in. (Playing since metamorph league)
Im not sure what it is, but something felt off this league for me too. Could be last epoch, could be weird balance changes to skills and no buffs to weak classes.
Starters didn’t change at all especially for melee and then they nerf cleave xD
The mechanic wasn’t really something interesting at all. Deterministic crafting, buffing regular map monsters and getting loot 😅 not really exciting as well compared to sanctum for example.
There is literally nothing wrong with melee. Dual strike strength stacking is meta, cyclone mjolnir is meta, boneshatter is still good. Get good?
@@Sammysapphira what about Slam ? don't try to get good me, I play Sunder since Heist and I see the down fall of Slam on every patch, tell me how many class is Melee viable compare to Mage variant ?
You ppl are way too delusional and thought "Hur dur game gud, you gid gud"
Like comeon, if you invest 1 mirror into a Build, most build is playable duh.
Melee that Viable or Meta as you mention is a Manchinegun builde, GGG lose it vision and embrace anything that rely only on ASPD or cast speed now, more speed = better which I find it funny.
@@KingTUMMAN If you concentrate on 1 build and dont consider using other actual meta options that can clear everything, that's your problem
Alch&go is back on the menu boys
Always has been
It's the only thing left lol
how is this your conclusion? t16 alch and go drops nothing, its only t17
Alch and go does NOTHING
@@thecozyplace1206 you can do 1d/h farming alts + anything else that drops
to prevent in the future: Open a PTR with an NDA for the top players to test, a few hundred maybe, NDA in place so in case something does get discovered early, its not as sharable with the public pre-launch, idk, something like that. I know they do internal testing but its clear that most top tier players are leagues beyond, so they need assistance. I do also hope they do internal testing without mod commands and item spawning etc, because having access to those abilities removes the urge and need to search for strategies to farm currency, and the fact that almost every single massive issue theyve had in recent memory has been around currency farming and map juice cheesing, which tells me theres a good chance they dont internally test without GM commands to the degree they should, and if they do, they need a few elite players to assist them
Granting players access to the league beforehand was already discussed. I don’t know when this was but it was with Chris. It gives an advantage to those who could join early because they already know most of the league mechanics. This would evolve into a much bigger problem
@@Cheese_Of_Truth_ True but then allow the top players to explain everything they've learned about the league mechanic before it releases so other players can get on similar footing before the league comes out.
@@Cheese_Of_Truth_ I don't agree, the blasters are always so far ahead to begin with, could have ggg just take their feedback on the topic but not actually show them the changes they are going to make before launch, I think it sounds reasonable
This could also give build guide authors a chance to properly test their build mechanics and level of power to be gained
the opening skit sums up the league so far with 100% accuracy
I just finished the atlas and voidstones etc etc, got my character gear up and i can do T17 maps but i feel there isnt much fun to do, nothing sells and even if i farm a set of fragments and do the elder or shaper the drops are 10c, all scarabs are worthless
This is how I felt. Essences aren't worth anything, breachstones and timeless emblems are worthless, even harvest juice is just sputtering out.
I was planning to look into sanctums, never done them before, no timr better than now to do it cuz i have a feeling ppl will flock to it and discover op strats and then its prolly sanctums turn on the chopping block
I started ssf no ragrets
I'm pretty used to PoE being balanced only for 0.1% top players. It all started when they said "hh players are too powerful, so we add a shitton of on-death effects. If you aren't a hh player, well, sucks to be you". Balance is shit but I learned to love the game anyways xD
Youre literally saying the game and game design sucks but you love it anyway.
Wild.
Gotta stand up for making the game better rather than letting them walk all over you constantly.
This community is insane
The last major abuse I can think of was during Ultimatum, that thing that got Empyrian and his group banned for the league. And yes, it is extremely unfair. Of course someone that plays a lot and discovers some VERY profitable method is entitled to profit, and being the first, they usually profit the most. But it is horrendously unfair for the most of us that a tiny amount of people got hilariously rich and the rest of us are not allowed to use their methods after.
Frankly, many of us play PoE as an escape from the real world, and would rather not be reminded in such a way of the way things stand in real life.
Empy is an asshole. He was making fun of people being banned after he himself was banned in his channel. Then when called out his response was "they made fun of me why can't I make fun of them" but theres no evidence of that ever happening ...
As someone relatively new to POE and still learning a lot. I think the really disappointing thing for me is not that I can't be competitive, but rather that drops feel so nerfed that it makes it hard to advance at all. I know I am not super efficient or optimized in playing, but I've gotten maybe 4 divine drops in like 70 hours since the league started, and maybe another 4 div in items I could sell.
I need to understand the crafting mechanic, because that might be a good way to make some money. But still, I like being in maps and seeing drops that have value. And it feels really sparse.
I didn't really juice at all last league either, so I don't think that's where the change is.
The drops aren't nerfed. They're normal. Affliction was a monumental anomaly. If you've only gotten 4 divines in trading you're doing something wrong. T17 maps sell for a divine each and they're incredibly common. Scarabs are free currency in every map. Just get good?
if you started with affliction, that might be why. Currency is usually on the rare side, especially divine drops. Regular alch+go sometime nets you one every 20 maps, depending on the map monster density and pack size, you can bring it down to 10-ish or so without ultra juice. Never expect a lot of div drops unless you have the ultra build and invest multiple divs into your strats and maps!
@@Sammysapphira They were nerfed, if only stacked decks, which were a huge part of the income of multiple strategies
3:16 correction, he farmed 10 mirrors WORTH. Not raw mirror drops. Either way still absolutely crazy
My understanding is that he farmed the mirror shard card, so he did get 10 raw mirrors... plus drops.
It was actual 10 mirrors.
Haven't had this little fun since talisman league. Didn't get to play a lot during the first week and now I feel like there is no point as the economy is horrible.
Honestly considered quitting several times because my build cant do T17 farms, currently lvl 98, got a pretty decent exsang miner running, but farming scarabs while people farm T17 scarabs for me feels quite demotivating, currently farming corpses and allflames and hating my life due to bulk selling :shrug:
Edit: clarified the hating my life part lmao
I've started playing in Affliction and this is the first league I started on release. I was able to buy a 4 flask mageblood just by corpse crafting. The farming strategies are so broken and I was not able to use them, but the crafting was the saving grace for me.
Yep, this killed trade for me this league. Restarted in SSF 3 days ago and having a blast
Why restart? You could just forget the trade and play ssf in softcore, i guess you restarted just to tell people that you have a ssf flag and feel less poor
@@felipeturatti6648 what do i gain from telling you im SSF? I doing it recommend it, I think a lot more people would enjoy the game more, not playing trade. And btw is it a mental thing to restart. If i Just reroll i ask myself why i did it, because it would be more efficient to just play the character i had. Trade in general makes me thing about the economy a lot instead of the game. It's probably just me tho
same, i started ssf and it feels so much more fun, if you farm essences, its to craft your own gear so it doesnt feel like your not getting value out of it
SSF feels like a pure mental crutch/bragging rights kinda thing. Objectively everything you can do in SSF you can do in trade as well. On top of that you have more options in trade should you desire so at some point.
I’m late to the game and just started playing at the start of the league.
I pretty much feel like I’m going to an advanced Trigonometry class with a Sesame Street understanding of numbers when it comes to how end game works. Even most “beginner” POE videos make zero sense.
This game has so many layers, didn’t even know for a week you could upgrade maps, still can’t figure out why Kirac maps disappear and reappear. But overall still having fun and hopefully after a few thousand hours I’ll have a PreK understanding of the game.
Typical new player experience. Just don't care what the internet says and have fun. You'll figure it out
Good luck. Also Kirac's maps (shop) refresh when there is a patch or if you complete (or fail) a Kirac mission.
The good thing is Ziz has lots of great videos to help new players figure out what to do
@@davejordan87 Yeah, I’m just having fun. (And I am.) Though it’s amazing how many Ahhh ha moments I have while playing.
I’m level 82 but feel like I’m level 3. 😂
It's my second league and I feel like I know more than last league but I feel like I still don't know how most things work yet lol still fun tho...maybe someday I'll get there
Hilarious and informative, well done!
I don't feel left behind in the economy, I feel unmotivated to work towards any endgame strat because it may get nerfed next...
If feel the scarab changes have made the end game considerably less juicy than the old system. It feels like I need 10 map device slots to reach what I was doing in past leagues. People are just searching for those juicy strats but there aren't any. If there was some then people wouldn't feel the fomo as much from these exploits imo.
I dont really mind about it its entertaining to watch people breaking the game:D (e.g. Empy and his group make content of that for years)
And I guess they basically changed the whole lategame, we are in the trial and error season, next one they have a better overview on things
playing ssf this league for the first time so im naturally behind the curve or whatever, so far this entire league has been "im gonna do that when I have enough scarabs and enough character power to grind it. aaand its gone". its a pretty shitty feeling to know there were some strategies that could boost my drop drought and then lose the opportunity almost immediately. least fun I've ever had in a league honestly.
What do you mean about something happening if you clear maps in the campaign?
The more you clear a map in campaign, the next map has a higher chance to spawn better mods with the lantern. That's not the case in mapping.
@@Sephiroso. Woah, that's cool! I had no idea!
Usually when things like this happen i just drink my own pee to remind myself there’s worse things in life that I can be doing
TOP TIER INTRO.
New background music is great
Just got my PC back since the league started. Hopefully more cool things get discovered that I get a chance to do
I don't feel left behind and nobody sane is. Most normal people with a job don't even have 4 voidstones yet. If you do, you are already the top 10%.
im currently playing coc dd in sc ssf as a "new" player (700 hours)
tier 17 are the bane of my existence, im having a less than 50% success rateif i try to do anything in them with around 15 mil dps with 3.7k life, 1.5k es, capped res, 100% suppression, 30% block, meanwhile i die at most 2 times per uber fight
im fine if im boss rushing but its pretty hard to practice the bosses (especially uber catarina as i did not fight the base version a lot) and if i boss rush i feel like i waste the map
also a new player its pretty hard to know what certain mods are doing (especially marked for death, which i had to go in a map to find out what it did, because i could not find out on the wiki, union of souls, drowning orbs, etc)
Out of curiosity what would you rank this league amongst say 10 of the most recent in terms of the core game and then the league itself?
Hey Ziz, are you making a video about the method of 6-linking every chest for 50c~
For some reason, I did not see a lot of people talking about the new beast crafting recipe, and this would def help a lot of new and casual players to progress faster into higher maps :)
These intros are insane.
Coming down from affliction to this mess was a huge blow to both the player base and to GGG.
yeah i was wondering why barely anything was dropping now with the builds ive followed, kind of annoying because i still need certain items that range between 12-20 div each and nothings dropping now.
I feel like there are two things at play here cause i am just a casual idiot and i even got a lot of divines with just playing the game and seeing things here and there and doing some typical strats people usually do. But at the same time a lot of people played stuff like CoC DD where the prices for things exploded. Same with Hexblast mine. Ofc its much harder to stay competitive there but i never felt behind. That said i am also play SC so the trade costs are much different than HC.
At this point i just don't know what to farm, everything feels so dull in T16 and every video i find is about T17's so i just feel lost and behind most of the pack
Join ssf.
Click essences for 20 divs an hour it's seriously not hard I don't get it with you redditors.
Check out empyrean
Dull? You can do Altars and Harbingers and Strongboxes.
Or Altars and Breach and Scarabs.
Or Necropolis with something else.
You can also do out-of-map content on the side, like Delve and Heist.
1:35 IS THAT NOT HOW IT WORKS IN MAPS????? THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING WTF GGG
You're telling me i've been mostly clearing my maps for no fucking reason?
@@FunkyyCat_ I just assumed I would benefit on my next map by clearing the current one as well, wt actual f
@@etrosknight2254 I just remembered them mentioning somewhere that clearing an area would improve the mods offered in the next area, but I never knew this was only in campaign. It is wild to have the perfect solution to a lot of the league's issues already implemented in the game and just choose to ignore it.
@@FunkyyCat_ You can’t say with certainty that they ignored it. As even Ziz said, it’s highly possible they couldn’t support it in maps for one reason or another. Still sucks that it’s not how things work in maps, tho.
I'm really enjoying this league. This is the first time in a long time that I have actually wanted to take another character to maps. I really like this league a lot. I hope they continue something similar to this in the core.
Honestly I was really lucky at the start to run strongbox into scarab allflames to drop a few curations which really helped me snowball early. But looking at the state of things now, it's super sad for a lot of people who started late or couldn't take advantage of those strats because normal drops are basically worthless. Most scarabs are 1c or below and to even find a half decent scarab takes so many maps, its really sad. Most viable strats require a good character because of all the haunted mods as well (t 17 excluded)
The problem will always be GGGs loot problem/design. Too much shit, almost all of it crap. So 'breaking' the game to get consistently good rewards results in literally breaking the game. These high-jinks are likely causing the network/server stability issues that many people are experiencing. I hope, that with the release of PoE2, PoE1 can take a 3 month (much needed and well deserved) vacation, and they actually fix the game instead of patch over the flaws.
They need to make a proper drop table so as you go up in map tiers the same amount of shit drops but it has better weighting. So we are not hiding 10,000 items on the ground causing it to framedrop to hell. Or just implement a culling in the draw call.
"Too much shit, almost all of it crap" == 100% crap
Fun Police Strikes yet again !!!
I feel like the problem with the league mechanic on release is that its like when some people could hack and see the god-touched mobs but now everyone can see them.
I've been gone for a week now and I have no idea what strategy is "hot" right now.
I was just doing ambush scarabs on jungle valley before.
What's "the thing" right now?
I used to Like POE when it felt like playing a game, not working a job. The amount of tedium in regards to managing resources / trading / optimizing / respeccing / using third party tools is just NOT fun... So many ARPG's missing the magic. I quit after the first weekend this league when Map spamming was a thing.. just absolutely not fun.
Everything you are complaining about has been that way for years. What do you even mean map spamming?
Thats what people do every league, thats part of the end game.
The game clearly isnt for you.
@@julianthegreat4995 True, I have 7000 hours in POE. and it's slowly moved further away from what I consider fun. Really hoping POE2 hits it.
Map spamming was one of the techniques Ziz mentioned, you don't actually run the map, you just spam maps in the machine looking for Div rewards... I did it for like 5 minutes and turned the game off... (it got nerfed I think, Ziz also mentions he has never even seen this mod)
I do agree it's been like that for years, but you used to be able to yolo a build or a strategy and feel progress.. Now you pay an insane (insane) fun tax... I won't type too much because I could type a novel.
@@julianthegreat4995 holy shit r u dense? u dont even know what u r talking about..if you've listened to the video u might have known that what he refers to map spamming is fishing for divine and seer mods..
I am not competitive player but i just quit because whole economy is now fuckt and the 0.01% players swimming in mirrors and normal players are suffering. I understand that totaly broken stuff needs to be fixed but their fixes are shitting on normal strategies aswell. Maybe next league everything is fine. Sorry for the rant, i hope you guys have fun!
what normal strats have they nerfed or changed?
I just went back to Standard. Fuck this league in the nostrils and mouth at the same time.
Maybe its time to try ssf?
True, this whole league feels like Kalandra 2.0, mageblood is too strong so they destroy manaforged arrow Pathfinder for everyone, people are fishing for divine orb mods so they delete them from the game. They need to just let the blasters blast if they can't figure out how to not fuck 90% of the players with their nerfs
@etrosknight2254 90% of players were not doing any of the op strats and the nerfs were purely targeted to prevent the 0.0001% from sinking the economy.
Nerfs aside its time for meta change imo. The past couple years there is only 20-30ish builds to choose from as a casual player (league starters and meta builds). There are only so many build variations of minions, totems, spell casters, and Boneshatter to play without crazy investment. I saw they're still up in the air with melee skill changes but there are ton of skills in the game, pick a couple and tune them as you see fit and see what happens. This "see what happens" ideology seems like it's already in practice anyway with the current league.
I haven't seen this many hot fixes since Heist. Honestly it shows that the devs are heavily invested in the game.
IMO this is a much better response than Kalandra league.
They can avoid these things more often by actually testing it
hoooo hooo slow down boi testing it?!? to much you ask from ggg :D
they have testers
playerbase to be precise
@@SpecShadow testers :D i mean i love the late april jokes hehe
As a more casual HC player, this league was frustrating at every point. I could do NONE of all the strategies that happened. Heck, after running thousands of maps, i haven't seen a single divine devoted mod. Fractured gear being virtually gone from the game is also huge, alongside the change to crystal resonnance for essences which is not worth picking in a starting scenario. Add to that the haunted mods being often rippy af, this is a recipe for disaster. The grave crafting is mind-numbingly annoying, and even after spending an entire week farming for corpses and chaos to buy corpses and do a full graveyard craft doesn't even garantee the minimum usable weapon. Like I had a 1 in 4 chance to get a +2 chaos wand and all 3 crit mods for hexblast (which realistically needs crit chances and +1 chaos as a minimal baseline to be considered an upgrade) and i didn't even get +1 and crit chance on it (which was 90% btw). The corpse crafting really only provides specific bases, ms boots for leaguestart and alterations. I found attempting to spend a shit ton of time calculating my craft and optimizing corpse placements to be simply not worth it in a context of stabilizing my char for the current content. The mechanic however is much more fit to be a "win more" mechanic, where you can craft stupidly good gear once you don't need it to progress. The league started a bit over two weeks ago and despite being very patient with it, i am done trying to do anything. I'm basically playing a rippier version of standard
Even as a low level economy player I was making more money before the nerfs because all those scarabs and embers of all flames were pretty expensive due to strats. Most attainable items were cheaper because supply was through the roof. Sure, some items were crazy expensive but that's true even last league.
8 hours a day since league start, haven't seen that divine mod yet..
Nerfpolis League.
This league showed perfectly:
GGG is flopping around like crazy, and dont have a really coherent vision for the game.
wtf are you talking about? they completely changed the game, of course some strategies are gonna go past them. what do you guys actually want them to do? if they do nothing everyone whines, if they nerf op strats everyone whines also. touch some grass, holy shit
Their communication has been meh, like 30 hours of podcasts that don't seem to be reflected in the league immediately following it. I think it's the POE 1/2 split comboed with their apparent change in design philosophy.
@@SPACEGOD21it's almost certainly not the same group of people every time, like I would love to see some 5head Venn diagrams of people that bitch about issues ABC and people that whine about XYZ and then see if it had any overlap
@@SPACEGOD21 they didnt have to change the whole game.
They chose to.
They tested it.
They thought its fine.
It was obvious from the getgo the league mechanic was trash. We didnt even need a hivemind for that.
Dropping nonmodifiable maps that have buildbricking affixes was their choice to do.
Adding those drop modifiers was their choice too. Those also had extreme juiced AFFLICTION vibes.
@@Karonar your reasoning is insane, not even gonna go into your comments anymore
I do wish there was a mechanic that increased chances for something good the more you play, but I think my biggest grit with the whole design is simply that you need to do hard content to unlock... faster grinding. Like you need to do a T17 to unlock 5map device - which does not do much beyond allowing to juice up maps even more (and not difficulty but just additional bonuses). So early on when you wanna get some decent gear, you will do it slowly because you have worse gear AND because you don't have stuff unlocked. It's a huge flaw in my eyes, because then what seems to be the basis of the game: experimenting with builds, is put aside for the sake of doing milestones, which are best done asap, and all you get is not higher difficulty but faster grinding to do what, accomplish what? More builds? I'd rather have fun with making my own, not suddenly hitting a wall and then second guessing everything for hours.
Damn I haven’t tried any of my t17s yet but as an ssf player that sucks to hear that Ubers are significantly easier than them, was planning to take on Ubers for the first time this league but now I don’t know if I’ll be locked out of them because I can’t do t17