So, if wickum and Lydia were found together, having run off and been alone , without being married, they would have caused a scandal and the whole family would have been shunned. That’s why Elizabeth and the mom are so upset at finding out they ran off together. Wickum knew that he could blackmail the family for money to get him to marry Lydia- which is why they have the discussion- originally they think the uncle gave wickum the money, but later Lydia reveals that it is Darcy who gave them money and ensured he was promoted in the military to finalize the “scandalously patched up marriage”. Now, Darcy is clearly helping the family and it is a good thing, but it also ensures that no scandal touches the family he wants to marry into.
Not just shunned, but their already difficult financial position would have been worse. The credit system (the ability to buy goods on credit) of this time was based on reputation. Education+manners+family connections = good credit. Having a “fallen daughter” indicated the Bennets weren’t a responsible family, not to be trusted to manage their children let alone their debts. The girls would probably not find people willing to marry them since rumors would spread saying all the girls were “loose.” As silly as it is by today’s standards it was serious for them :/
@@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH Even in just ordinary life, they would have been shunned as their "shame" might threaten to rub off on families and individuals who "received" them. This same set of moral standards can also been seen in Gone With The Wind, La Traviata, Saratoga Trunk, The Age of Innocence, My Fair Lady, and others. Even in the Sherlock Holmes stories, reputations such as a couple of boys cheating exams could bring down an entire school, and certainly who married who cast a wide net. As society became more mobile (i.e., street cars, trains, bicycles, and most importantly automobiles), these distinctions faded away.
Not only Lydia's scandal but also the way the mother, Mrs. Bennet, behaved in public was enough of a scandal to threaten both Jane and Elizabeth's marriage prospects. At the time, there was the concept in England of the "landed gentry" who's great wealth was due to the vast tracts of land they inherited. Being in the clergy was also quite respectable but being rich because you worked at it, "being in the trade" as they called it, merchants, lawyers, doctors, etc. was definitely second-class. Mrs. Bennet's two brothers were "in the trade." Mr. Bingley had also made a fortune in that way but by buying the manor next door brought up his social standing quite a lot.
Lydia running away with Wickham was extremely scandalous at this point in history. To live with a man you weren't married to meant you were "ruined" as far as decent society was concerned, and the family of a "fallen" woman would be ostracized as well. Elizabeth, in revealing what has happened, is 100% convinced that Darcy will never renew his affections to her or ever propose to her again because her family, which he had already expressed feeling his inferior, would now be 1000 times lower in his estimation. She is deeply touched to learn that he hunted down Wickham and Lydia and basically bribed Wickham into marrying the girl, but she still believes he wouldn't want her anymore until his aunt visits. When the aunt tells him that Elizabeth refused to say she would never enter into an engagement with her, he suddenly feels some hope that her earlier disdain for him has died and been replaced with something else, perhaps the love he longed for, so he goes to her to find out if he still has a chance with her. He was kind to her and her family even when he thought he had no chance to win her, so his second proposal is very humble and sweet and heartfelt.
This adaptation’s choice to have Darcy be a socially awkward introvert who cloaks his shyness with arrogant disdain is just wonderful. I also love that they show his instant attraction to Lizzie straight from the start, when he first sees her on his entrance to the party and does a double-take. The focus on his hand flex after helping her into the carriage at Netherfield lets you know that his hand is tingling because he actually touched her flesh for the first time.
On the matter of hands touching, all the other ladies were wearing gloves, which was expected and customary. So going without gloves is another example of Elizabeth doing her own thing. When Darcy reached for her hand to help her into the carriage, he was astonished to be touching her bare hand!
Yes, this is so much more real to how most people who come across this way actually are! There is so much of an introvert-extrovert disconnect in this story.
If Charlotte hadn’t married Mr. Collins, she would have been forced to either rely on her male relatives to support her for the rest of her life, or try and earn her own way. The only options for that for someone of her class were usually either a governess or a paid companion (an assistant for usually a wealthy older woman who could afford someone to entertain her). That’s why she told Lizzie not to judge her for her choice to marry.
And, if she lived with one of her relatives, she would’ve tried to help pay for her upkeep by spinning thread. In which case she would’ve been called a “spinster“. That is where the name for an older unmarried woman comes from.
And mr collins isn't awful. Charlotte is actually older than him, and might be able to influence him enough to make him a good husband. She already had talked him into never going into her study by the time Elizabeth visits in the books.
@@emilylewis5373 even better. She didn't talk him into not going in there but used his own curiosity to know everything that happens in the neighborhood for her own advantage by choosing a room for herself that doesn't have a window toward the street. Therefore he doesn't want to spend time there. 😉 She did talk him into spending more time outside "to benefit his health". She is very clever. She secured a husband and financial stability for herself while having to spend as less time as possible with him.
That one I didn't even notice. But I was truly annoyed that they thought Darcy made Lydia and Wickham marry to get him out of the way to get to Elizabeth. 😅
This is one of my favorite romances because Elizabeth and Darcy both change due to the other's influence. Darcy asks Elizabeth to dance after she says dancing encourages affection, he shows up at the house to try to make conversation after Elizabeth says he should practice more, etc. He takes her criticism seriously. Elizabeth learns that she badly misjudged Darcy's character and grows to love him.
31:17 It was a way of ensuring conversation at the table. If married couples sit together, they'll talk (possibly exclusively) with one another and singles at the table will feel left out.
When they brought in potential Darcy actors to read against Keira Knightley, Matthew improvised that lean-iIn for a potential kiss at the end of Darcy’s first proposal scene. The director loved it and kept it in the film..
I haven't seen a good comment about the house tour and its one of my favorite historical facts. House tours were actually very popular during this era. Most of the middle class couldn't travel, so it was viewed as good manners for the rich (who would collect art from around the world) to open their houses as mini museums. The middle class would go on vacation touring the countryside, as we see in pride and prejudice and visit these houses/gardens. if you had a guided tour, like they do in pride with the housekeeper, you normally tipped a fee to the housekeeper, which they kept as a sort of side job.
The major piece of information that drives the whole plot is that the Bennet estate is entailed, which means that only a male descendant can inherit. Mr. & Mrs. Bennet only had girls, and Mr. Bennet didn't start setting aside money for his daughters until it was too late to be able to save a sufficient amount to provide each of them with a reasonable dowry. If Mr. Bennet were to die, Mrs. Bennet and their daughters would be left with almost nothing, and would be forced to rely on the charity of their relatives (which was not guaranteed). That's why Mrs. Bennet is so obsessed with getting her daughters married off; a good marriage was the only way to ensure they wouldn't end up destitute after Mr. Bennet dies. Mr. Collins is the nearest male relative, so upon Mr. Bennet's death, he will inherit the estate. It wasn't entirely uncommon for cousins to marry, and Mr. Collins isn't actually wrong that it would be a good arrangement for both sides (in principle, anyway; Lizzy was NOT the correct choice of prospective bride lol). If one of the girls married Mr. Collins, they would be able to continue to use the family fortune to support Mrs. Bennet and the other daughters after Mr. Bennet's death. So that's why there's the whole attempted-cousin-marriage part of the story and why Mrs. Bennet pushes for it so hard.
Agree, and Mr. Collins wasn't a first cousin but was further removed, a second or third cousin. Even now in the US, it's legal to marry a second cousin.
It really helps if you understand some of how things worked at that time (early 1800's) The rules were much different back then and there. I enjoyed the 1995 version of this better because they had 6 hrs to really develop the characters. edit: No, he forced "the soldier" to marry Lydia to save the family from shame. That protected ALL of the daughters.
Most people who react to this movie thinks that the mom is saying that Lizzie is not handsome. The conversation started with Mr. Bingley talking about dancing with Charlotte, Lizzie’s friend, and then that’s when the mom says that it’s a shame she’s not more handsome and that Lizzie would never admit that her friend is plain. But I definitely understand why everyone interprets that dialogue wrong. I’ve seen the movie so many times so I’m more familiar with it.
Yes' she was definitely calling Lizzy's best friend plain. Then later when Collins shows an interest in marrying Jane she points out that Lizzy is 'next to Jane in beauty" meaning she is also beautiful.
One of my favorite movies. In this time period the only hope for a young lady was to marry and of course marry well if possible. She had almost no alternatives. Try "Sense and Sensibility" for more by Jane Austen on this issue or "Little Women" too This movie was perfectly cast, visually stunning and had a great score.
Wealthy people could be away from their estates for months on end. People in the nearby towns would know if the local estate was open to visitors who wanted to see the house and art collections inside.
31:15 Unmarried, a lot of rules are in place for people to 'meet'. So you would sit next to each other to talk. But since they are married it is deemed: You can talk to this person whenever you want, go ahead and sit with people you know less.
Mr.Darcy seemed to have social anxiety or introverted. He explained that he doesn’t interact with new people easily to Lizzy when she was playing the piano.
I love Pride and Prejudice. It's my go-to book if I'm feeling down. This is also my favorite version of the film, although there was one about 10-years ago that was more consistent with the book, which was written in the late 1700s-early 1800s. I'm also broken hearted over Donald Sutherland (RIP). I've loved him since I was a kid.
I first read this in school at 16 (public school, UK) and I'm now 48, so I loved watching you guys watch this for the first time. Once you know the plot twists you can't unsee them, so to see it through fresh eyes was great! Thanks!
If Lydia had not married Mr. Wickham, the whole family would have been ruined. It would have caused a scandal that would prevent the other sisters from being married, and the family to be considered outside the pale. By "saving" her, Darcy saved the family.
When Lydia ran off with Mr Wickham, she ruined jer reputation and no one would marry her and the family would be shamed. Mr. Darcy paid Wickham to marry Lydia and make her "an honest woman".
❤ from across the pond (Scotland, UK). You guys did a pretty good job understanding this- I’m not being rude; it’s hard for even those acquainted with Austen and other novelists of her time to understand the older English language. Her novels, much like Dickens, are not particularly easy to read (Dickens is easier and in the Victorian times, Jane Austen is in the earlier 1800s). My personal favourite is sense and sensibility, but Keira Knightley nailed Elizabeth’s character, as did Dame Judi Dench and Matthew who played Darcy. Just a little side note: it was actually not uncommon for cousins (from my little understanding and research), it happened usually among the middle/ upper class (mostly to retain or gain financial status and stability, as well as rank)- up to the early 20th century (1900s).
Dr. Octavia Cox and Ellie Dashwood are 2 UA-camrs who do a really good job explaining the social context of Jane Austen's novels. It can be hard to understand from a modern viewpoint why Lydia marrying Wickham was the best outcome not just for her, but for her entire family, and what exactly the Bennets' financial situation was (not exactly poor, btw. Lizzie and Darcy are technically in the same social class), and why Charlotte marrying Mr. Collins was a happy ending for her. Because of them, I can't really hate Mr. Collins anymore. He was actually coming from a well-intentioned place when he asked Lizzie to marry him. He's absolutely ridiculous, and Lizzie was right to turn him down the way she did, but he's actually not AS bad as you think, once you understand the context. They also explain why Mr. Bennet actually wasn't the best dad, and why Mrs. Bennet wasn't the worst mom. They were both pretty ridiculous in context, though, and once you understand the circumstances better, you might actually like Mrs. Bennet a bit more and Mr. Bennet a bit less. Also, cousin marriage was pretty common in Europe. Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip were cousins. Charles and Diana were also related, albeit distantly.
Two thumbs up, greendiamondglow! I too, wished to mention Ellie Dashwood and Dr. Octavia Cox as valuable resources for understanding society of Regency Era. And I think many who have enjoyed movie adaptations of Jane Austin novels would also enjoy her novels, in particular, those annotated by David Shapard.
Rip to the great Donald Sutherland! He portrays Mr Bennett so well in this one and evil president snow in hunger games. I loved his ability to portray whatever actor he is playing. What a well versed actor I hope that you two can react to the hunger games series soon. They are worth the watch
I loved the two of you reactions. When you saw that Lizzy was a girl who wasnt falling all over Mr. Darcy. Wven Bingley's sister Carolibe tried to imoress him by trying to put Lizzy and her family down. Darcy really liked Lizzy and because of his fortune and status was surprised when she turned hin down. Even though the Bennetts had a lot less fortune, they were still in the same class. The Bingley's had more fortune, but were still a lower class. I love when men watch this with their mate and try to figure out what's going on.
The mother didn't call Elizabeth ugly. On the contrary, she told Mr Collins that her age and beauty are not far off from Jane (Elizabeth is described like that in the book as well). I think you mean the scene at the first ball when Darcy didn't want to dance. Mrs Bennet was talking about Charlotte. Mr Bingley said something nice about her and Mrs Bennett immediately shut that down by stating how plain/unattractive she looks and that Jane is the true beauty in the town (because she doesn't want anyone taking away attention from her own daughters). Since Elizabeth is friends with Charlotte she got upset about her mother's words and replied with "Elizabeth would never admit it but she is rather plain" which could be misinterpreted as a statement about Lizzy if you haven't paid enough attention or doesn't know the characters well enough.
The thing I love most about this movie (and the book) is that every character in it is a product of the time. Looking at this movie though the eyes of today we scoff at the mother. We scoff at Mr. Collins. They are bothbstill products of their time. This movie is a time capsule into the lives of people long ago and with out modern eyes we judge them but the only person who did any wrong is Mr. Whickam (spelling?). Lizzy is the heroine but she is also the biggest of outliers for this time period.
Marriage within the extended family wasn't very rare in older times in almost all cultures around the world, not trying to be disrespectful but i bet you that if you both go back far enough you'll find it in your families too, as bizarre as it seems to us today.
You wanted to know the age of the sisters Bennet so there it is : Jane is 22, Elizabeth is 20, Mary we don't know it precisely but she probably 18-19 years old, Kitty is 17 and Lydia is 15. Their relationship reminds me the one I share with my three sisters (I'm the eldest daughter), it was always me and my first sister together on one side and the two last together (they're twins) on the other side. Now, that we're all adults women, I feel more like Mary in my family
I loved how Lizzie struggled through what her own future would be due to the constraints of the society in which she lived. The only choice for women was to marry and make a "good match." Her mother always extolled the beauty of Jane while her father clearly favored Lizzie's mind, but how does one find her place in the world without marriage? She did feel an attraction to the penniless Wickham and fell for his lie of his misfortune at the hands of Darcy. And I loved how Darcy saw in Lizzie all the things she could not see in herself. Jane Austen wrote this book in observation of her own world and she so opened the door to females choosing a different path.
Pride & Prejudice was written by Jane Austen 1813. According to Wiki: "Pride & Prejudice has consistently appeared near the top of lists of "most-loved books" among literary scholars and the reading public. It has become one of the most popular novels in English literature, with over 20 million copies sold, and has inspired many derivatives in modern literature. For more than a century, dramatic adaptations, reprints, unofficial sequels, films, and TV versions of Pride and Prejudice have portrayed the memorable characters and themes of the novel, reaching mass audiences." There is a black-n-white version from 1940, starring Sir Lawrence Olivier, several 6-part series, the most recent one from the 1990's, and now this one. Austen fans (of which there are many) are equally divided between the longer '90's version, which has time to follow the novel much closer, but for others, a bit slow, and this 2005 version, which was deliberately made for tastes of a more modern audience. I have to admit I saw both the 6-part series and the 1940 one, but it took me quite awhile to separate out all the characters and how they relate to each other. The more I understood this, the more it made sense, and became much more impactful to me.
I've read the book, and seen other adaptations, and even I was reeling by how fast the story is in the movie. Some things could have been made clearer, but despite that, I'm glad y'all gave it a fair chance and liked it!
Growing up this was my go to movie for when I was home sick. The language definitely takes some getting used to but I love this movie. I believe it’s usually categorized as a Period Drama but please don’t quote me on that. And as for marriage, womans main goal was to marry up but if not many times familial marriage happened in order to keep status or property within the family. Thats why Mr Collins (the cousin) was an option because he was the true owner of their property and the girls would lose it without him.
Mrs Bennet is remarking on Lizzie's best friend, Charlotte Lucas, not Lizzie, when she says things like, "too bad she's not prettier" or, "there's a spinster in the making".
You didn't understand anything from this movie. They married between cousins to keep the wealth in the family. Cousins were the closest relatives you could marry.
May I recommend watching Clueless if you haven’t? It’s a modern day “Emma,” also written by Jane Austen. If you know Clueless and you’re interested in Emma, I do like most of the adaptations. The 96 Gwyneth Paltrow or the 2020 one with Anya Taylor Joy are the feature films and both good. Some don’t like the way the 2020 one slightly changes the end, but I don’t think it’s enough to matter. I do like the 96 Kate Beckinsale one and the 07 Romola Garai one, but those are longer miniseries, and harder to find. Another great option is Sense and Sensibility from 1995. Beautiful film. Austen wrote Sense and Sensibility after Pride and Prejudice. Effectively, the 2nd and 3rd novels she finished. You’ll probably recognize a lot of cast of that film.
The book doesn't make it clear exactly the relationship between Elizabeth and Mr. Collins, other than "distant" cousins. He may be a cousin to Mr. Bennet, which would make him a second cousin to Elizabeth, not quite as close as being her cousin. "Cousin" was also a term used loosely when it was confusing as to the exact family ties. On the other hand, in the Civil War-era Gone With The Wind, it was spelled out that the "Hamiltons always marry their first cousins" and it didn't really raise any eyebrows.
Don't bash the mother for being a so-called gold digger. Back then marrying as well as you could was all a woman was able to do. The mother was being perfectly reasonable and trying to find good matches for her daughters. Today we would call it gold digging because women can go make their own fortune. But back then women of the upper classes such as the bennetts could not earn their own living and therefore had to marry as well as they could.
True, she wanted to secure their future (and her own too). According to Internet, if we compare her situations with her siblings' she's the one who made the more advantageous wedding
It is difficult to realize that someone with so much money and status like Mr Darcy can be shy , and introvert, but he is , and the actor portrays him so well !!!At the same time after being proposed by my fiancée and seeing him so nervous for asking me, even knowing that I was gonna say “yes”, I can completely relate that guys before were at younger age proposing to women that they didn’t even know before in a previous relationship . Just imagine how nervous they could have been . And also , for us now the Bennett women look like “gold diggers” but society in those times favoured just men and 5 women in a poor family could just save themselves getting a good advantageous marriage 🤷♀️( for that reason is very appropriate to think that the friend mrs Lucas accepts Mr collins proposal, because at 27 you were consider a spinster (not well seen for society)and your parents didn’t or sometimes couldn’t afford to maintain daughters. People used to marry cousins in order to keep wealth and blood lines , it is so weird that you don’t know about this 😂! Even some rich people still does that 🤮) last point ,Lydia was 15 (normal aged to get married before) but better to be married than running away with a man and ruining the sisters reputation , if she didn’t marry wickam, the rest of the sisters couldn’t get good marriages because men with good position in society didn’t want to get involved in those families 🤷♀️ a fallen sister =shame for your family !)
I didn’t even know you had this channel. I love this movie and can’t wait to see your reaction. I’m guessing this is your girlfriend or wife? You need to promote this channel on your other channel. If you did, I missed it somehow.
Understanding the themes of PnP requires a background in Regency era England. Women were worth only who they could manage to marry. Men of a certain class were only worthy if they were gentlemen (i.e. didn't have to work for their money.). And Lydia running away with Wickham would taint all the other girls in the family such that no one would want to marry them. This is the first great novel. Jane was airing a pretty acerbic opinion on the role of women in her day. Some say that Jane Austen, with the publication of PnP (by "a lady", anonymous) was the first real novel and kicked off the literary style. Really enjoying that you two are enjoying this without that background. This, to me, was not the best movie version. It is so compressed and the dialogue so fast. But it does allow the story to be more accessible to a wider audience. My favorite is the six episode miniseries done in 1995 with Colin Firth as Darcy.
You should watch "Lost in Austen". It is the same story but Elizabeth Bennet and Amanda Price swtich places. Amanda is a young woman from the 21st century.
...and marrying a distant cousin (a even close cousin) wasn't as big a deal back then. Not to mention it helped property remain in the family when entailed away thanks to the system of primogeniture.
How cynical can you guys be??? He didn't want him out of the picture! He was doing for Lizzie and her family. The disgrace back then would have been awful. Besides, Lizzie's no idiot - she saw Wickham's true character when he ran off with her sister.
He's a second cousin, which is perfectly legal and perfectly safe, biologically speaking. Not so safe, if you wanted a husband who wasn't a complete a**.
You’ve got to watch the BBC version starring Colin Firth. This is such a poor substitute. The other version much closer to the book including the dialogue. IMHO
I’m an amateur genealogist and it really wasn’t until the last few generations that 1st cousin marriages were looked on as problematic. Royal families just tended to do it more often than others as they looked down on marriage to non-royalty which cuts down on the options quite a lot. But as far as this story goes, Mr Collins isn’t even a close cousin. He’s a distant cousin that happens to be the closest male line relative that will inherit the Bennett estate when the father dies.
This is my all time favorite movie, as will be clear if Googling my name. LOL!! Many of the finer details in the movie can be confusing if not familiar with the time period (Regency Era England 1800-1820 roughly) as well as the class structure and mores of the time. That said, you two grasped things far better than some reactors. Well done! To add to what others in the comment section have said, Mr. Darcy literally saved the entire Bennet family by going after Lydia and Wickham. Finding them and paying for Wickham to marry Lydia did not make him happy since he knew the kind of person Wickham was. However, they had already slept together (and even if they hadn't it would have been assumed they did) and in this period that was the ultimate scandal. Not only was Lydia ruined but the other four sisters would be tainted and never able to secure a marriage amongst the gentleman class. Of course we look at this through our modern eyes as nonsense, but in the early 19th century it was simply the way society functioned. Darcy saved the family, and made it possible for Mr. Bingley and Jane to be together (he set that misunderstanding straight), all the while not expecting anything in return from Elizabeth. A true selfless act. Additionally, he felt personally responsible because he never revealed Wickham's true character or made him pay (as he had the power to do owing to his elevated station in Society) primarily to save his sister's reputation and feelings. The novel "Pride and Prejudice" was written by Jane Austen in the early 1800s. She sadly only wrote 5 novels before her death, but all of them have been made into movies (several versions). Pride and Prejudice is by far her most popular novel, but all of them are superb. Austen is considered one of the greatest literary authors of all time. Novels: "Emma" - "Northanger Abbey" - "Sense and Sensibility" - "Persuasion" - "Mansfield Park" and of course "Pride and Prejudice"
Great cinematography but definitely not the best adaptation of Jane Austen's novel. The novel is so rich that I never saw the point of making it a feature length movie that discards important aspects of the novel and rush some others that leaves the viewer with questions. While Matthew Macfayden is a great actor, I do not like the way the producers/director modified psychology of the character he is meant to portray into a shy and awkward puppy. Other changes have been introduced but not necessarily for the better imho. Anyway, the 2005 movie is a great success and good for all who worked hard to make it happen. I would nonetheless recommend to watch the 1995 BBC adaptation as a mini series, which is vastly superior is many respects.
If you like Kiera Knightly you’ll like her in “Bend it Like Beckham.” It’s a rom dram comedy Pakistani parents culture clashes with daughter’s soccer obsession. My favorite Pride and Prejudice is 1995 with Colin Firth. It’s got a more genteel pace and easy to understand everything. Everyone’s hair and clothes are clean and beautiful , the house is always clean. Warning: Colin firth has a line they should have taken out, “every savage can dance.” Cringe. This stringy hair version bothers me a lot even though Brenda Blethyn (the Mom) is my favorite actress and was fantastic in two rom coms: “Saving Grace” by Craig Ferguson and “Little Voice” with Michael Caine. Both are really good.👍🏾 I’m not a fan of her in the movie you’re playing now. She is most known for “Secrets and Lies” a dram com. The beautiful grown daughter she gave up for adoption seeks her out.
The recent queen of England, Elizabeth was married to her cousin, Prince Philip. They still do that crap over there 😂. It's an island so I suppose they did that due to limit choices.
@@mswitch936in the USA even 1st cousin marriages were common up until the last century or so and are still legal in some states. No state bans marriages of 2nd cousin or more distant. And Mr Collins isn’t a close cousin according to the book. He’s just the closest male line relative so would inherit the estate.
And the limited choices in terms of the British royalty wasn’t about being on an island (Philip was born as Prince of Greece and Denmark after all) but about only marrying other royalty. Practically all European royalty are the same family since they only marry other royalty.
Your comment shows lack of understanding to the social rules back at those times as well as revealing yourself to be a hater. Your mocking of other cultures simply because you don’t understand it is very typical for you Americans.
Your comment shows lack of understanding about the social rules of their time. Your mockery of it shows lack of decency and decorum, how typical American.
I have seen many Pride & Prejudice reactions from all cohorts of people. I am half way through this video and honestly your reaction is quite embarrassing. The lack of awareness about how things were back then was very cringe. Perhaps American (public as you said) education has a lot missing.
Oh, C'mon, they're trying. Maybe if they see a few more movies and look up some things, they'll grasp that Now is simply not like it was Then, and if you don't understand the rules at that time, you could be lost in a story like this.
Wish you guys would watch the BBC mini series of Pride and Prejudice. It's so much superior to this 💩💩. I watched this 💩after I watched the BBC mini series with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle and regretted it. Pride and Prejudice is one of my favorite books and this movie is a joke and the acting was horrendous.
So, if wickum and Lydia were found together, having run off and been alone , without being married, they would have caused a scandal and the whole family would have been shunned. That’s why Elizabeth and the mom are so upset at finding out they ran off together. Wickum knew that he could blackmail the family for money to get him to marry Lydia- which is why they have the discussion- originally they think the uncle gave wickum the money, but later Lydia reveals that it is Darcy who gave them money and ensured he was promoted in the military to finalize the “scandalously patched up marriage”. Now, Darcy is clearly helping the family and it is a good thing, but it also ensures that no scandal touches the family he wants to marry into.
Not just shunned, but their already difficult financial position would have been worse. The credit system (the ability to buy goods on credit) of this time was based on reputation. Education+manners+family connections = good credit. Having a “fallen daughter” indicated the Bennets weren’t a responsible family, not to be trusted to manage their children let alone their debts. The girls would probably not find people willing to marry them since rumors would spread saying all the girls were “loose.” As silly as it is by today’s standards it was serious for them :/
@@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH Even in just ordinary life, they would have been shunned as their "shame" might threaten to rub off on families and individuals who "received" them. This same set of moral standards can also been seen in Gone With The Wind, La Traviata, Saratoga Trunk, The Age of Innocence, My Fair Lady, and others. Even in the Sherlock Holmes stories, reputations such as a couple of boys cheating exams could bring down an entire school, and certainly who married who cast a wide net. As society became more mobile (i.e., street cars, trains, bicycles, and most importantly automobiles), these distinctions faded away.
Not only Lydia's scandal but also the way the mother, Mrs. Bennet, behaved in public was enough of a scandal to threaten both Jane and Elizabeth's marriage prospects.
At the time, there was the concept in England of the "landed gentry" who's great wealth was due to the vast tracts of land they inherited. Being in the clergy was also quite respectable but being rich because you worked at it, "being in the trade" as they called it, merchants, lawyers, doctors, etc. was definitely second-class. Mrs. Bennet's two brothers were "in the trade." Mr. Bingley had also made a fortune in that way but by buying the manor next door brought up his social standing quite a lot.
@@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH It mirrors the social credit system in Communist China now.
I literally just come to p&p reactions for lit students' life's work in the comments section. I live for this little part of the internet ❤
Lydia running away with Wickham was extremely scandalous at this point in history. To live with a man you weren't married to meant you were "ruined" as far as decent society was concerned, and the family of a "fallen" woman would be ostracized as well. Elizabeth, in revealing what has happened, is 100% convinced that Darcy will never renew his affections to her or ever propose to her again because her family, which he had already expressed feeling his inferior, would now be 1000 times lower in his estimation. She is deeply touched to learn that he hunted down Wickham and Lydia and basically bribed Wickham into marrying the girl, but she still believes he wouldn't want her anymore until his aunt visits. When the aunt tells him that Elizabeth refused to say she would never enter into an engagement with her, he suddenly feels some hope that her earlier disdain for him has died and been replaced with something else, perhaps the love he longed for, so he goes to her to find out if he still has a chance with her. He was kind to her and her family even when he thought he had no chance to win her, so his second proposal is very humble and sweet and heartfelt.
Really good explanation.
This adaptation’s choice to have Darcy be a socially awkward introvert who cloaks his shyness with arrogant disdain is just wonderful. I also love that they show his instant attraction to Lizzie straight from the start, when he first sees her on his entrance to the party and does a double-take. The focus on his hand flex after helping her into the carriage at Netherfield lets you know that his hand is tingling because he actually touched her flesh for the first time.
On the matter of hands touching, all the other ladies were wearing gloves, which was expected and customary. So going without gloves is another example of Elizabeth doing her own thing. When Darcy reached for her hand to help her into the carriage, he was astonished to be touching her bare hand!
Yes, this is so much more real to how most people who come across this way actually are! There is so much of an introvert-extrovert disconnect in this story.
RIP to Donald Sutherland (Mr. Bennett). He has been a big part of my movie going pleasures since the early 1970s.
So you saw him in “Klute.”
May God rest his soul.
If Charlotte hadn’t married Mr. Collins, she would have been forced to either rely on her male relatives to support her for the rest of her life, or try and earn her own way. The only options for that for someone of her class were usually either a governess or a paid companion (an assistant for usually a wealthy older woman who could afford someone to entertain her). That’s why she told Lizzie not to judge her for her choice to marry.
And, if she lived with one of her relatives, she would’ve tried to help pay for her upkeep by spinning thread. In which case she would’ve been called a “spinster“. That is where the name for an older unmarried woman comes from.
And mr collins isn't awful. Charlotte is actually older than him, and might be able to influence him enough to make him a good husband. She already had talked him into never going into her study by the time Elizabeth visits in the books.
@@emilylewis5373 even better. She didn't talk him into not going in there but used his own curiosity to know everything that happens in the neighborhood for her own advantage by choosing a room for herself that doesn't have a window toward the street. Therefore he doesn't want to spend time there. 😉 She did talk him into spending more time outside "to benefit his health". She is very clever. She secured a husband and financial stability for herself while having to spend as less time as possible with him.
@@leuchtkaferchen1639As is well explained in the BBC PBS version with Colin Firth
Caroline Bingly (the redhead) literally insulting Elizabeth and her family to Elizabeth's face.
These guys: oh so she's not a bitch, she cool. 🤦♀️
That one I didn't even notice. But I was truly annoyed that they thought Darcy made Lydia and Wickham marry to get him out of the way to get to Elizabeth. 😅
This is one of my favorite romances because Elizabeth and Darcy both change due to the other's influence. Darcy asks Elizabeth to dance after she says dancing encourages affection, he shows up at the house to try to make conversation after Elizabeth says he should practice more, etc. He takes her criticism seriously. Elizabeth learns that she badly misjudged Darcy's character and grows to love him.
31:17 It was a way of ensuring conversation at the table. If married couples sit together, they'll talk (possibly exclusively) with one another and singles at the table will feel left out.
She really wanted to see Darcy and Elizabeth's interactions
When they brought in potential Darcy actors to read against Keira Knightley, Matthew improvised that lean-iIn for a potential kiss at the end of Darcy’s first proposal scene. The director loved it and kept it in the film..
The sexual/romantic tension
Mr. Darcy paid for the wedding to help protect the family's reputation due to the scandal it would case.
He also paid for Wickam's commission to become an officer which would give them a decent and respectable income to live on.
I haven't seen a good comment about the house tour and its one of my favorite historical facts. House tours were actually very popular during this era. Most of the middle class couldn't travel, so it was viewed as good manners for the rich (who would collect art from around the world) to open their houses as mini museums. The middle class would go on vacation touring the countryside, as we see in pride and prejudice and visit these houses/gardens. if you had a guided tour, like they do in pride with the housekeeper, you normally tipped a fee to the housekeeper, which they kept as a sort of side job.
The major piece of information that drives the whole plot is that the Bennet estate is entailed, which means that only a male descendant can inherit. Mr. & Mrs. Bennet only had girls, and Mr. Bennet didn't start setting aside money for his daughters until it was too late to be able to save a sufficient amount to provide each of them with a reasonable dowry. If Mr. Bennet were to die, Mrs. Bennet and their daughters would be left with almost nothing, and would be forced to rely on the charity of their relatives (which was not guaranteed). That's why Mrs. Bennet is so obsessed with getting her daughters married off; a good marriage was the only way to ensure they wouldn't end up destitute after Mr. Bennet dies. Mr. Collins is the nearest male relative, so upon Mr. Bennet's death, he will inherit the estate. It wasn't entirely uncommon for cousins to marry, and Mr. Collins isn't actually wrong that it would be a good arrangement for both sides (in principle, anyway; Lizzy was NOT the correct choice of prospective bride lol). If one of the girls married Mr. Collins, they would be able to continue to use the family fortune to support Mrs. Bennet and the other daughters after Mr. Bennet's death. So that's why there's the whole attempted-cousin-marriage part of the story and why Mrs. Bennet pushes for it so hard.
Agree, and Mr. Collins wasn't a first cousin but was further removed, a second or third cousin. Even now in the US, it's legal to marry a second cousin.
It really helps if you understand some of how things worked at that time (early 1800's) The rules were much different back then and there. I enjoyed the 1995 version of this better because they had 6 hrs to really develop the characters. edit: No, he forced "the soldier" to marry Lydia to save the family from shame. That protected ALL of the daughters.
Someone get this man a character chart haha
Most people who react to this movie thinks that the mom is saying that Lizzie is not handsome. The conversation started with Mr. Bingley talking about dancing with Charlotte, Lizzie’s friend, and then that’s when the mom says that it’s a shame she’s not more handsome and that Lizzie would never admit that her friend is plain. But I definitely understand why everyone interprets that dialogue wrong. I’ve seen the movie so many times so I’m more familiar with it.
Wait huh, I definitely thought the dialouge said the opposite. I should rewatch it to find out
@@lorettabes4553 yeah Mrs. Bennet would never say that any of her daughters are unattractive to an unmarried man.
This along with missing other plot points is so frustrating when people react to this movie.
Yes' she was definitely calling Lizzy's best friend plain. Then later when Collins shows an interest in marrying Jane she points out that Lizzy is 'next to Jane in beauty" meaning she is also beautiful.
Came here to say this! So many people miss it lol.
One of my favorite movies. In this time period the only hope for a young lady was to marry and of course marry well if possible. She had almost no alternatives. Try "Sense and Sensibility" for more by Jane Austen on this issue or "Little Women" too This movie was perfectly cast, visually stunning and had a great score.
It's actually classic literature.
Wealthy people could be away from their estates for months on end. People in the nearby towns would know if the local estate was open to visitors who wanted to see the house and art collections inside.
A Mrs. Bennett, a Miss Bennett, a Miss Bennett, a Miss Bennett.
31:15 Unmarried, a lot of rules are in place for people to 'meet'. So you would sit next to each other to talk.
But since they are married it is deemed: You can talk to this person whenever you want, go ahead and sit with people you know less.
Mr.Darcy seemed to have social anxiety or introverted. He explained that he doesn’t interact with new people easily to Lizzy when she was playing the piano.
Understandable because he had to grow up fast because of his father's death
58:29 "If any young men come for Mary or Kitty for heavens sake send them in!!!!" My favorite line from Donald Sutherland Rest in Peace 😢 💐
Wow, I didn't know he's dead
I love Pride and Prejudice. It's my go-to book if I'm feeling down. This is also my favorite version of the film, although there was one about 10-years ago that was more consistent with the book, which was written in the late 1700s-early 1800s. I'm also broken hearted over Donald Sutherland (RIP). I've loved him since I was a kid.
Yes...Elizabeth is her father's favorite daughter.
Omg Donald passed away today? RIP 😔
Literally how I just found out, damn
What?? 😭😭😭😭😭 What a way to found out
I first read this in school at 16 (public school, UK) and I'm now 48, so I loved watching you guys watch this for the first time. Once you know the plot twists you can't unsee them, so to see it through fresh eyes was great! Thanks!
If Lydia had not married Mr. Wickham, the whole family would have been ruined. It would have caused a scandal that would prevent the other sisters from being married, and the family to be considered outside the pale. By "saving" her, Darcy saved the family.
When Lydia ran off with Mr Wickham, she ruined jer reputation and no one would marry her and the family would be shamed. Mr. Darcy paid Wickham to marry Lydia and make her "an honest woman".
Dancing even one's partner is barely tolerable 😂
❤ from across the pond (Scotland, UK). You guys did a pretty good job understanding this- I’m not being rude; it’s hard for even those acquainted with Austen and other novelists of her time to understand the older English language. Her novels, much like Dickens, are not particularly easy to read (Dickens is easier and in the Victorian times, Jane Austen is in the earlier 1800s). My personal favourite is sense and sensibility, but Keira Knightley nailed Elizabeth’s character, as did Dame Judi Dench and Matthew who played Darcy. Just a little side note: it was actually not uncommon for cousins (from my little understanding and research), it happened usually among the middle/ upper class (mostly to retain or gain financial status and stability, as well as rank)- up to the early 20th century (1900s).
Dr. Octavia Cox and Ellie Dashwood are 2 UA-camrs who do a really good job explaining the social context of Jane Austen's novels. It can be hard to understand from a modern viewpoint why Lydia marrying Wickham was the best outcome not just for her, but for her entire family, and what exactly the Bennets' financial situation was (not exactly poor, btw. Lizzie and Darcy are technically in the same social class), and why Charlotte marrying Mr. Collins was a happy ending for her. Because of them, I can't really hate Mr. Collins anymore. He was actually coming from a well-intentioned place when he asked Lizzie to marry him. He's absolutely ridiculous, and Lizzie was right to turn him down the way she did, but he's actually not AS bad as you think, once you understand the context. They also explain why Mr. Bennet actually wasn't the best dad, and why Mrs. Bennet wasn't the worst mom. They were both pretty ridiculous in context, though, and once you understand the circumstances better, you might actually like Mrs. Bennet a bit more and Mr. Bennet a bit less.
Also, cousin marriage was pretty common in Europe. Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip were cousins. Charles and Diana were also related, albeit distantly.
Two thumbs up, greendiamondglow! I too, wished to mention Ellie Dashwood and Dr. Octavia Cox as valuable resources for understanding society of Regency Era. And I think many who have enjoyed movie adaptations of Jane Austin novels would also enjoy her novels, in particular, those annotated by David Shapard.
I love their happy dancing! 😊
Rip to the great Donald Sutherland! He portrays Mr Bennett so well in this one and evil president snow in hunger games. I loved his ability to portray whatever actor he is playing. What a well versed actor
I hope that you two can react to the hunger games series soon. They are worth the watch
I loved the two of you reactions. When you saw that Lizzy was a girl who wasnt falling all over Mr. Darcy. Wven Bingley's sister Carolibe tried to imoress him by trying to put Lizzy and her family down. Darcy really liked Lizzy and because of his fortune and status was surprised when she turned hin down. Even though the Bennetts had a lot less fortune, they were still in the same class. The Bingley's had more fortune, but were still a lower class. I love when men watch this with their mate and try to figure out what's going on.
Mr. Collins doesn't listen to women...literally talks over Elizabeth's refusal...Both Darcy and the Dad listened to Elizabeth's wishes...beautiful!
The mother didn't call Elizabeth ugly. On the contrary, she told Mr Collins that her age and beauty are not far off from Jane (Elizabeth is described like that in the book as well). I think you mean the scene at the first ball when Darcy didn't want to dance. Mrs Bennet was talking about Charlotte. Mr Bingley said something nice about her and Mrs Bennett immediately shut that down by stating how plain/unattractive she looks and that Jane is the true beauty in the town (because she doesn't want anyone taking away attention from her own daughters). Since Elizabeth is friends with Charlotte she got upset about her mother's words and replied with "Elizabeth would never admit it but she is rather plain" which could be misinterpreted as a statement about Lizzy if you haven't paid enough attention or doesn't know the characters well enough.
So the house where Darcy lives is actually called Chatsworth house In Derbyshire England. It's near where I live.Its stunning...
"In other words, fck you and your check" omg hahaha I love this 😂
The thing I love most about this movie (and the book) is that every character in it is a product of the time. Looking at this movie though the eyes of today we scoff at the mother. We scoff at Mr. Collins. They are bothbstill products of their time. This movie is a time capsule into the lives of people long ago and with out modern eyes we judge them but the only person who did any wrong is Mr. Whickam (spelling?). Lizzy is the heroine but she is also the biggest of outliers for this time period.
Marriage within the extended family wasn't very rare in older times in almost all cultures around the world, not trying to be disrespectful but i bet you that if you both go back far enough you'll find it in your families too, as bizarre as it seems to us today.
still legal in the UK
@@juneseghni Didn't know that, that is really surprising and weird 😯
You wanted to know the age of the sisters Bennet so there it is : Jane is 22, Elizabeth is 20, Mary we don't know it precisely but she probably 18-19 years old, Kitty is 17 and Lydia is 15.
Their relationship reminds me the one I share with my three sisters (I'm the eldest daughter), it was always me and my first sister together on one side and the two last together (they're twins) on the other side. Now, that we're all adults women, I feel more like Mary in my family
51:25 FUN FACT The scene where Mr. Darcy and Mr. Bingley are rehearsing their proposals that whole scene was improvised!!!!
Really ? That's so good
8:17 "We are Saved!!!!" 😂
Love only exists in Jane Austen novels, anime, Rom-Coms, and Downton Abbey.
I loved how Lizzie struggled through what her own future would be due to the constraints of the society in which she lived. The only choice for women was to marry and make a "good match." Her mother always extolled the beauty of Jane while her father clearly favored Lizzie's mind, but how does one find her place in the world without marriage? She did feel an attraction to the penniless Wickham and fell for his lie of his misfortune at the hands of Darcy. And I loved how Darcy saw in Lizzie all the things she could not see in herself. Jane Austen wrote this book in observation of her own world and she so opened the door to females choosing a different path.
Pride & Prejudice was written by Jane Austen 1813.
According to Wiki: "Pride & Prejudice has consistently appeared near the top of lists of "most-loved books" among literary scholars and the reading public. It has become one of the most popular novels in English literature, with over 20 million copies sold, and has inspired many derivatives in modern literature. For more than a century, dramatic adaptations, reprints, unofficial sequels, films, and TV versions of Pride and Prejudice have portrayed the memorable characters and themes of the novel, reaching mass audiences."
There is a black-n-white version from 1940, starring Sir Lawrence Olivier, several 6-part series, the most recent one from the 1990's, and now this one. Austen fans (of which there are many) are equally divided between the longer '90's version, which has time to follow the novel much closer, but for others, a bit slow, and this 2005 version, which was deliberately made for tastes of a more modern audience.
I have to admit I saw both the 6-part series and the 1940 one, but it took me quite awhile to separate out all the characters and how they relate to each other. The more I understood this, the more it made sense, and became much more impactful to me.
I've read the book, and seen other adaptations, and even I was reeling by how fast the story is in the movie. Some things could have been made clearer, but despite that, I'm glad y'all gave it a fair chance and liked it!
Growing up this was my go to movie for when I was home sick. The language definitely takes some getting used to but I love this movie. I believe it’s usually categorized as a Period Drama but please don’t quote me on that. And as for marriage, womans main goal was to marry up but if not many times familial marriage happened in order to keep status or property within the family. Thats why Mr Collins (the cousin) was an option because he was the true owner of their property and the girls would lose it without him.
I'm glad you came to trust and like the often misunderstood Mr Darcy...this actor did an admirable job portraying him...loved it...
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Mrs Bennet is remarking on Lizzie's best friend, Charlotte Lucas, not Lizzie, when she says things like, "too bad she's not prettier" or, "there's a spinster in the making".
You didn't understand anything from this movie.
They married between cousins to keep the wealth in the family. Cousins were the closest relatives you could marry.
I've watched your other channel and just found this one! I am definitely more of a date night movies gal! So excited to watch the other uploads :)
We all had to read that damn book in highschool
I am so happy I read it in high school and we discussed it. It’s frustrating watching people who have no idea what is happening.
3:37 "But what if he's ugly?...I don't think they care...Maybe, fat and ugly" ROFL You both are hilarious!
May I recommend watching Clueless if you haven’t? It’s a modern day “Emma,” also written by Jane Austen. If you know Clueless and you’re interested in Emma, I do like most of the adaptations. The 96 Gwyneth Paltrow or the 2020 one with Anya Taylor Joy are the feature films and both good. Some don’t like the way the 2020 one slightly changes the end, but I don’t think it’s enough to matter. I do like the 96 Kate Beckinsale one and the 07 Romola Garai one, but those are longer miniseries, and harder to find.
Another great option is Sense and Sensibility from 1995. Beautiful film. Austen wrote Sense and Sensibility after Pride and Prejudice. Effectively, the 2nd and 3rd novels she finished. You’ll probably recognize a lot of cast of that film.
Interesting to see the roots of American square dancing brought by colonization.
The book doesn't make it clear exactly the relationship between Elizabeth and Mr. Collins, other than "distant" cousins. He may be a cousin to Mr. Bennet, which would make him a second cousin to Elizabeth, not quite as close as being her cousin. "Cousin" was also a term used loosely when it was confusing as to the exact family ties. On the other hand, in the Civil War-era Gone With The Wind, it was spelled out that the "Hamiltons always marry their first cousins" and it didn't really raise any eyebrows.
He's Mr Bennet's cousin
@@a.g.demada5263 But isn't he described as Mr. Bennet's DISTANT cousin?
@@johnnehrich9601 it's not really clear
When they keep saying the plain looking girl... it's Charlotte (the 27 yr old women that married Mr. Collins)
Don't bash the mother for being a so-called gold digger. Back then marrying as well as you could was all a woman was able to do. The mother was being perfectly reasonable and trying to find good matches for her daughters. Today we would call it gold digging because women can go make their own fortune. But back then women of the upper classes such as the bennetts could not earn their own living and therefore had to marry as well as they could.
True, she wanted to secure their future (and her own too). According to Internet, if we compare her situations with her siblings' she's the one who made the more advantageous wedding
It is difficult to realize that someone with so much money and status like Mr Darcy can be shy , and introvert, but he is , and the actor portrays him so well !!!At the same time after being proposed by my fiancée and seeing him so nervous for asking me, even knowing that I was gonna say “yes”, I can completely relate that guys before were at younger age proposing to women that they didn’t even know before in a previous relationship . Just imagine how nervous they could have been . And also , for us now the Bennett women look like “gold diggers” but society in those times favoured just men and 5 women in a poor family could just save themselves getting a good advantageous marriage 🤷♀️( for that reason is very appropriate to think that the friend mrs Lucas accepts Mr collins proposal, because at 27 you were consider a spinster (not well seen for society)and your parents didn’t or sometimes couldn’t afford to maintain daughters.
People used to marry cousins in order to keep wealth and blood lines , it is so weird that you don’t know about this 😂! Even some rich people still does that 🤮)
last point ,Lydia was 15 (normal aged to get married before) but better to be married than running away with a man and ruining the sisters reputation , if she didn’t marry wickam, the rest of the sisters couldn’t get good marriages because men with good position in society didn’t want to get involved in those families 🤷♀️ a fallen sister =shame for your family !)
Mrs. Bennett was calling Charlotte "plain" / ugly
Awesome reaction of my favorite movie!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊
Thank you!!
@@disneydatenite WHERE IS BAD BOYS 2 let’s keep going plz
I didn’t even know you had this channel. I love this movie and can’t wait to see your reaction. I’m guessing this is your girlfriend or wife?
You need to promote this channel on your other channel. If you did, I missed it somehow.
In the book it’s clear Lizzie is the cleaver one not the pretty one & she’s her dads favourite👍❤️
❤️ed watching you two watch this!❤️👍❤️👍❤️😅
Who’s here after Deadpool and Wolverine?
Hope you two are having an great and awesome day ❤
Understanding the themes of PnP requires a background in Regency era England. Women were worth only who they could manage to marry. Men of a certain class were only worthy if they were gentlemen (i.e. didn't have to work for their money.). And Lydia running away with Wickham would taint all the other girls in the family such that no one would want to marry them. This is the first great novel. Jane was airing a pretty acerbic opinion on the role of women in her day. Some say that Jane Austen, with the publication of PnP (by "a lady", anonymous) was the first real novel and kicked off the literary style. Really enjoying that you two are enjoying this without that background. This, to me, was not the best movie version. It is so compressed and the dialogue so fast. But it does allow the story to be more accessible to a wider audience. My favorite is the six episode miniseries done in 1995 with Colin Firth as Darcy.
30:39 He's so funny 😅
You should watch "Lost in Austen". It is the same story but Elizabeth Bennet and Amanda Price swtich places. Amanda is a young woman from the 21st century.
Mrs Bennett called Charlotte ugly, not Lizzie.
This genre of movie is called period drama.
15:31 Very distant cousins.
...and marrying a distant cousin (a even close cousin) wasn't as big a deal back then. Not to mention it helped property remain in the family when entailed away thanks to the system of primogeniture.
Who is Jane? 😂 that made me Lol ❤ this movie!
Devin watches the comedies and action movies with his girl but watches the scary movies on his own
That’s how they kept their money by cousins marrying! Shame they didn’t understand the problems of cousins marrying then!
This is my favorite movie and favorite book of all time. I’m a 34 year old man. I just really love the writing of the author.
If you find this to follow I would not recommend Shakespeare.
Please watch the older one... Both movies are good but the older one is better.
'Who is Jane?' 😅😅😅
I think she was in wheel of time too right? The Ai sadai?
How cynical can you guys be??? He didn't want him out of the picture! He was doing for Lizzie and her family. The disgrace back then would have been awful. Besides, Lizzie's no idiot - she saw Wickham's true character when he ran off with her sister.
He's a second cousin, which is perfectly legal and perfectly safe, biologically speaking. Not so safe, if you wanted a husband who wasn't a complete a**.
OMG "cryin movies" 😂
You’ve got to watch the BBC version starring Colin Firth. This is such a poor substitute. The other version much closer to the book including the dialogue. IMHO
Yeeeeeah Royal families tend to marry in the family back then 🥴 and not even just royalty.
I’m an amateur genealogist and it really wasn’t until the last few generations that 1st cousin marriages were looked on as problematic. Royal families just tended to do it more often than others as they looked down on marriage to non-royalty which cuts down on the options quite a lot.
But as far as this story goes, Mr Collins isn’t even a close cousin. He’s a distant cousin that happens to be the closest male line relative that will inherit the Bennett estate when the father dies.
she looks like a female Mr Wickham 😂 piercing blue eyes
god, I have her father SO FUCKING MUCH 🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡
This is my all time favorite movie, as will be clear if Googling my name. LOL!! Many of the finer details in the movie can be confusing if not familiar with the time period (Regency Era England 1800-1820 roughly) as well as the class structure and mores of the time. That said, you two grasped things far better than some reactors. Well done!
To add to what others in the comment section have said, Mr. Darcy literally saved the entire Bennet family by going after Lydia and Wickham. Finding them and paying for Wickham to marry Lydia did not make him happy since he knew the kind of person Wickham was. However, they had already slept together (and even if they hadn't it would have been assumed they did) and in this period that was the ultimate scandal. Not only was Lydia ruined but the other four sisters would be tainted and never able to secure a marriage amongst the gentleman class. Of course we look at this through our modern eyes as nonsense, but in the early 19th century it was simply the way society functioned. Darcy saved the family, and made it possible for Mr. Bingley and Jane to be together (he set that misunderstanding straight), all the while not expecting anything in return from Elizabeth. A true selfless act. Additionally, he felt personally responsible because he never revealed Wickham's true character or made him pay (as he had the power to do owing to his elevated station in Society) primarily to save his sister's reputation and feelings.
The novel "Pride and Prejudice" was written by Jane Austen in the early 1800s. She sadly only wrote 5 novels before her death, but all of them have been made into movies (several versions). Pride and Prejudice is by far her most popular novel, but all of them are superb. Austen is considered one of the greatest literary authors of all time. Novels: "Emma" - "Northanger Abbey" - "Sense and Sensibility" - "Persuasion" - "Mansfield Park" and of course "Pride and Prejudice"
The "quiet" sister, Mary, is Elon Musk's ex wife twice over.
Hey school?! Yes I wish that I would have gone to hey school, and been a wee stupid, and not know who the hay hey Jane Austen is.
Great cinematography but definitely not the best adaptation of Jane Austen's novel. The novel is so rich that I never saw the point of making it a feature length movie that discards important aspects of the novel and rush some others that leaves the viewer with questions. While Matthew Macfayden is a great actor, I do not like the way the producers/director modified psychology of the character he is meant to portray into a shy and awkward puppy. Other changes have been introduced but not necessarily for the better imho. Anyway, the 2005 movie is a great success and good for all who worked hard to make it happen. I would nonetheless recommend to watch the 1995 BBC adaptation as a mini series, which is vastly superior is many respects.
If you like Kiera Knightly you’ll like her in “Bend it Like Beckham.” It’s a rom dram comedy Pakistani parents culture clashes with daughter’s soccer obsession.
My favorite Pride and Prejudice is 1995 with Colin Firth. It’s got a more genteel pace and easy to understand everything. Everyone’s hair and clothes are clean and beautiful , the house is always clean. Warning: Colin firth has a line they should have taken out, “every savage can dance.”
Cringe.
This stringy hair version bothers me a lot even though Brenda Blethyn (the Mom) is my favorite actress and was fantastic in two rom coms: “Saving Grace” by Craig Ferguson and
“Little Voice” with Michael Caine. Both are really good.👍🏾
I’m not a fan of her in the movie you’re playing now.
She is most known for “Secrets and Lies” a dram com. The beautiful grown daughter she gave up for adoption seeks her out.
Darcy is just not forward.
I prefer the BBC version.
Sames. 😊
Oh well
Oh dear. Your understanding of history is shockingly poor.
40:33 🎂
The recent queen of England, Elizabeth was married to her cousin, Prince Philip. They still do that crap over there 😂. It's an island so I suppose they did that due to limit choices.
Yes they were third cousins, which surprisingly is also legal in America too
@@mswitch936in the USA even 1st cousin marriages were common up until the last century or so and are still legal in some states. No state bans marriages of 2nd cousin or more distant. And Mr Collins isn’t a close cousin according to the book. He’s just the closest male line relative so would inherit the estate.
And the limited choices in terms of the British royalty wasn’t about being on an island (Philip was born as Prince of Greece and Denmark after all) but about only marrying other royalty. Practically all European royalty are the same family since they only marry other royalty.
Your comment shows lack of understanding to the social rules back at those times as well as revealing yourself to be a hater. Your mocking of other cultures simply because you don’t understand it is very typical for you Americans.
Your comment shows lack of understanding about the social rules of their time. Your mockery of it shows lack of decency and decorum, how typical American.
I have seen many Pride & Prejudice reactions from all cohorts of people. I am half way through this video and honestly your reaction is quite embarrassing. The lack of awareness about how things were back then was very cringe. Perhaps American (public as you said) education has a lot missing.
Thank you so much…keep watching for more cringe we appreciate you!
Oh, C'mon, they're trying. Maybe if they see a few more movies and look up some things, they'll grasp that Now is simply not like it was Then, and if you don't understand the rules at that time, you could be lost in a story like this.
Wish you guys would watch the BBC mini series of Pride and Prejudice. It's so much superior to this 💩💩. I watched this 💩after I watched the BBC mini series with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle and regretted it. Pride and Prejudice is one of my favorite books and this movie is a joke and the acting was horrendous.
Pride and prejudice is my absolute favorite book and I like both of the movies, so that's just your opinion
No one cares about ur bad opinion hun
I like both ❤