Why I sold my Porsche 991 Carrera S.
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- The Porsche 911 is arguably the world's best known and most beloved sports car. I was lucky enough to own the a 991 generation Porsche 911. A Carrera S - the last of the naturally aspirated Carreras. 400HP, PDK and endless grip. Plus - to my eye - a gorgeous realisation of the 911's iconic shape. So why did I sell it?
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Each to his own, but my 991.1 C2S isnt going anywhere, anytime soon if ever, if I can help it. That engine is sublime.
That’s great to hear. Can’t argue with you about the engine either. Thing of beauty! If you’re loving the car then hold onto that thing and drive the wheels off it!
Well said 👏 👌 👍 🙌 😌 🙂 mine will stY with me
Yes you are crazy, I have a 991 and a 993, and my 991 S is a gem in its own right. It's bigger and more modern and extremely fun to drive, with sport exhaust, it's a GT3-like as it has same torque and sound! Love the 993 as well.
Yep J.D you’re probably right! 😂
I agree with everything you just said 100%. And like I say, the weekend my son and I went away in the 991 it was quite literally the PERFECT car. Ah well, more fool me right? 🤷🏼♂️
This video speaks to me, Andy. I have been thinking about getting another 911 and debating if I get a newer one. I don’t think I will for all the reasons that you say: the older cars are just more engaging. Top work, my friend! This is a really good video and I was engaged from beginning to end. All the best!
Thanks for the comment good sir. You hit the nail on the head. This car is just brilliant but there's something magic with the older ones. I didn't mention it in the video (forgot) but one of the challenges with these super capable, powerful cars is being able to really exploit them on public roads. Here in Australia, our highway patrols are very trigger happy when it comes to booking people for speeding.
996 i think is a fantastic mid point in terms of some modern(ish) tech and involving, analogue drive.
I have a 2016 991.1C2 with PDK. It was the last year for the naturally aspirated engines, which I particularly like. Great car. I'm not tracking it, nor am I racing it on the streets. Overall, it's just a fun car. It was bought as the last car I expect to buy, a toy, because I don't really need it; it's just fun, especially in the mountains and canyons around Los Angeles, Malibu, etc. I have no plans to sell it, ever. Otherwise, we use my wife's BMW.
Murray it sounds like you bought the perfect car for your purpose. And I guess that's the point isn't it? The car needs to match your needs and the type of driving you want to do with it. Interestingly, part of the reason I was so keen to get a 991 in the first place was that the first time I drove a 991 was in the Angeles Forest up ACH and Upper Big T. Similar spec to yours - on those roads I think a 991 is a spectacular proposition! Keep enjoying yours and thanks for commenting 👍🏼
Same here. '14 c2s w/akropovic exhaust. Bought it in 2015. Not selling it. Torrance.
100% agree. I had a manual 991.2 Carrera T for 2 years, loved it alot but found I was tending to grab the keys to my 964 for weekend blasts. The Carrera T was an amazing car and I had the opportunity to take it on track a few times, but as a daily it was too much. You cant exploit its potential on public roads like you can do pushing an older car. Driving my 964 at the speed limit on a back road is very enjoyable and engaging, the Carrera T was just too good for the back roads and needed the track to fully enjoy its potential. It was amazing, but less track time ment it was sold. I do miss it, but not as much as I would miss the 964. Great vid.
Totally agree Matt. If you have a track or roads where you can really exploit the modern cars, they come alive and dance. Then you really see just how incredibly good they are. On most roads, driving the old cars, you really feel like you're pushing.
Just bought a 991.1 C2S with PDK and can’t be happier with it. Been a Porsche owner for over 20 years and they all have their charms. The Porsche DNA is in them all…..
Spot on Andrew! Mega cars. That PDK is a good thing! I must admit that as I prepped for my latest rally last week, I found myself thinking I'd have liked to have been doing it in the 991. There are some roads on that rally that would have been incredible in that car. I certainly miss it but feel lucky to still have a 911 in the garage to play with!
991.1 CS is a future classic
I tend to agree!
Owned the car, enjoyed it, memories with you son. Then you get more back than you paid for it. 100% win Andy!
Couldn’t agree more Rob. Hope you’re good my man.
best car I have ever owned. 991.1 bullet proof engine more than enough gadgets you could ever need. fast yet not dangerous… unlike the turbos.
Hard to argue with any of those points! Also think the NA aspect of the 991.1 - while lacking the torque of the turbos - makes for such a great driving experience and rewards pushing the car high into the rev range with both power and aural rewards!
I also sold my 991 PDK. I felt like I was driving a 'simulator' because the car essentially did everything for me. I bought a 1975 air cooled Porsche and connected with it immediately. No more computers doing all the work for me. It's like comparing a microwave oven vs. a BBQ. Both will give you a meal, but the BBQ will taste infinitely better.
Yeah I hear that. I was saying to a buddy yesterday that maybe I wanted a modern car because I didn’t always feel so confident in my own driving and wanted the extra help a modern car delivers. However I feel much more confident these days and, on the days where I’m not finding flow, I just back off and enjoy the cruise.
Makes sense…and yet there’s still enough connection that you felt the need to tell the 991 “it’s not you, it’s me” to soften the break up 😂
Haha. True enough Chris. Maybe it was me channeling George Kostanza 🤷🏼♂️But seriously, how could it possibly be the car??? That thing was awesome.
Nice one Andy. This is a hard concept to get across to other 911 enthusiasts who haven't had the opportunity to own both types of cars. Great job summing it up!
Thanks Nathan. Honestly, editing this piece and hearing myself say I didn't feel that magic connection with the car sounded completely ridiculous! But hopefully I went some way to explaining that. It's in no way a reflection of how good the 991 is - because it's a mega car.
@@lastrasp Nah, not "ridiculous" at all mate. Not every car will stir your soul like your 964 obviously does. I have just taken advantage of the same 'hot' market to move on two lovely 911's that just didn't get my blood racing after every drive. So I get it 100%
@@nathanperkins9815 Ah there you go. Good move!
I've only had my 991.1 C2S for three weeks, but it's my absolute favorite car I've ever owned bar none. I'm absolute obsessed with mine. Cant see getting rid of it any time soon.
Glad to hear it! I spent three days driving on a rally with friends, one of whom was in his 991 C2S (he usually drives his 964). He absolutely loved it. I miss mine.
Well, at least you will make another Porsche fan happy by selling your 991.1 I am a very lucky (PDK) 981 Cayman S owner from Dublin who still dreams of owning a 991.1 C4S. Whilst the mid-engined Cayman is an incredible car, I was absolutely blown away by the 991.1 C4S I drove at the PEC Silverstone a few years ago and would upgrade to that car if the opportunity arose. 😎👍
Huge fan of the Cayman S! And I’m a huge fan of the 991.1. I think if I’d owned mine before my 964, I’d probably have gotten into the 964 and thought it was a rattling bucket of bolts! I think experiencing a 991 on track is definitely the way to do it - get the opportunity to stretch its legs.
Loving the new in car camera mate, very smooth. One of these days a UA-cam hack like myself should get a bit more serious. Great job yet again 👍🏼
UA-cam hack?! Enthusiast mate! Love your stuff!
I can follow you. I drive a 997.1 carrera. And i am now starting a proces of getting the car build after my heart. I am doing this to connect with the car and make it MINE. If i had a 964 in the garage, i would not go down this road. Great video 👍
This is great to hear! the 997.1 is such a cool car and there's plenty you can do to make it your own. I really believe that makes a huge impact on the way you connect with your car.
The modern 911 is a wonder to behold that no doubt rewards those lucky enough to own or experience its brilliance. But can you really push the limits to max out the capabilities it has on a day to day basis or are you more likely driving at 6/10ths at best most of the time. I love my 996-1, it is my 4th Porsche and I feel like I have found my sweet spot. From a 3.2 Carrera, to a 944 S2, a 928 S4 (still owned after 16yrs) to the bastard child of the 911 family........... I BLOODY LOVE IT !!
Whatever brings you the most joy, find it and hold on to it. Vintage all the way for me.
It’s a great point Grant. I found that to really experience the 991, I would sometimes push harder than I’m comfortable doing on a public road. Conversely, some days I loved that I could drive with the faster guys but not feel like I had to try as hard so it had its benefits! My recent drives of 996’s have converted me.
Great sum up & great video of a magic car… question is ,what’s next mate 😉.
We wait in anticipation 🙌
You know how it is Nate - always got half an eye out!
I noticed every photo of the car's black look so amazing. Is this Basalt Black or another type of black? Feel sad to see you let it go. I think you should keep it like you did the 964.
Heya. It’s Basalt Black. Yeah I definitely miss it as a modern alternative to the 964. So lucky to have been able to have both.
I am banging my head up against the wall thinking, while the pdk is incredible, you would have had more fun and connection with a manual and this would have then been a keeper. I have a 17 .2 manual and after the exhaust/sport cats/ tuned to 475 hp/ dsc sport pasm upgrade, it is a sleeper with two personalities. One for daily commuting in normal, and one for auto x, hpde, and B road driving.
Sounds like the perfect setup for you Obi-Wan! Definitely agree that there’s more connection and engagement with the manual. May have been a different story for me if I’d had the manual.
I totally feel the same......Like you, I really like the 991 for all the things you stated, but its larger size makes it less desirable for smaller canyon roads. The 991 is the first 911 that really transitioned into the type of GT car it has becoming as of late. .Here in Southern California, it is the same. The smaller sized Porsche's like the 964, 993, 987 or 981 are more fun the the type of roads that are most fun......
So true. Although I must confess, the first 991 I ever drove was a base Carrera which I took up Angeles Crest and Upper Big T. If we had more roads like that here I'd be keeping mine for sure. They were the perfect roads to exploit the attributes of a modern day 911.
That said, I didn't drive any of the narrower and twistier roads So Cal has to offer.
Hi Andy , just subscribed. Ex Melbourne, then Bairnsdale resident - now retired in Thailand. I have a 2015 911 991.1 C4S - what a great car!! Magnificent to drive, & yes it just feels ‘classy’ and solid when sitting in it. However I think this is more of a fun or lifestyle vehicle and I would struggle to use it as a daily driver. It is an exceptional car, and more practical than my previous 986 Cayman, but still not a daily. I understand your decision - especially because you have your 964 to play in!
Hey Grant. There's worse places to retire than Thailand! Love it mate. C4S is a lovely car - like you say just classy and rock solid. I think if i didn't have an air cooled car already I'd have had more of an open heart and would have fallen for the 991. Still, there may be another liquid cooled car in my future. Stay tuned!
great take on the suttle differences and feels on the wheels vibes great vid my 2012 carrera S with pdk and 10k miles on the clock is a part of my soul now, were getting married next year, divorce never, well until that hot 997 lady walked by! lovin the porsche life !
There it is - if the car connects with you and becomes part of your soul then you know you've got a keeper!
I’m sure the new owner is in love with it👍🏻
Hopefully he has it by the end of the week. He's super excited. First Porsche - he's a good dude and it's been an easy transaction. Hope he enjoys the hell out of it!
I got a 964 c2 and I’m going to buy a 997 gt3 mk1 …. I love the way you live your passion … I hope to do the good choose with those car
I think is an incredible combination! There’s a crazy rawness to this Gen 1 997 GT3’s that’s hard to beat! That’s a car I’d want to drive a lot!
Well you have the 964 so i guess your not getting out of it all together. I have the 991.1 2013 S, Over the summer i installed the SOUL Exhaust System with Headers. Definitely did wake up the power. you can hear the boost and it lets you get more in tune with the car. But i do believe without doing this, the car is a sleeper. A little bit bigger and with the PDK it take the road feeling away when driving your 964. But it does come alive and driving here in Los Angeles PDK is the best on the almost everyday traffic. I look forward to maybe a 993 in the future to take some of the road .
Danny the first 991 I drove was a PDK which I was lucky enough to spend a day with driving Angeles Crest. Could not think of a better car for that application. They are such great cars and do everything well. Particularly the S which - as you say - is a bit of a sleeper. If I'd had the car longer I reckon I'd have done some mods to make it more 'mine'. I do miss it from time to time that's for sure!
2014 owner here. I guess we'll to agree to disagree. 😁
Hey Andrew. to be honest, I probably agree! the 991 is magnificent and I've often missed mine since selling it.
Yep I think you are crazy to sell it. I wanted a car I could use for long tours and not worry about reliability or adding miles onto the car. The 991 has been perfect for that. Yes I too could make money in the current market but that misses the point in my eyes. You don’t buy these cars to make money, you buy them for the thrill of driving and enjoying them.
Bob, I agree on all points. I have to say I certainly didn't buy the car with the idea of making money on it. As a car enthusiast I have no interest in buying cars to make money - I fully anticipate losing money on every car I buy! So you're right, that's definitely not the point. The point is to buy these cars and enjoy them. When I bought my 964 I was convinced I'd bought at the top of the market but didn't care as I just wanted the car. I don't care how many miles I put on it - I drive it all the time because it makes me happy. And mate, if your 991 is making you happy that's brilliant! They're great cars so enjoy it!
I agree with you on the PDK. I was searching for 981 S manual but settled for a mint example GTS with PDK. It is stunning. Maybe a Cayman might give you the connection and you still get that naturally aspirated flat 6, but a smaller more agile and mid engined car for a totally fun experience.
Cayman GTS would be fantastic. What a spectacular car! Like you say, small and agile with just enough horsepower.
@@lastrasp Agree.I have a 2014 GTS, and love the car to bits.. This is my second year of ownership with zero problems. First year was a nightmare!! intermittent stalling, which seemed to occur as least a couple of times a week, and with no fault lights showing up on the dash!! Always re-started straight after, and without any repeat for at least a couple of days, then same thing, again, without any warning. Next step was a diagnostic check at main dealer, at a cost of £185!! with typically no faults showing up , along with no stalling on their test drive.!!. How foolish it makes you look!! lol.... Anyway, after a couple of months frustration, I eventually got it sorted at my local indy garage.. "Faulty O2 sensor!! Changed and Bobs your Uncle.... A word of warning though. Don't be tempted into buying one of those cheaper scan tools, then assume you can find out what the fault is yourself. Again big mistake on my part. For starters The tool looked cheap and wouldn't power up, and with no response from the seller. Avoid!!!! See
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Perfectly understandable. It’s a great do-everything sports car. But problem with Jack of all trades is that they are masters of none. When you can have a dedicated fun car (964) on the side then it’d make more sense to pair it with a more practical daily rather than a modern 911 (unless it’s a GT product!). Thanks for sharing!
Spot on Allan. I never really committed to this car as either a daily or a fun car so I probably never gave it a fair chance. As I said in the vid it was a lovely, lovely car to be in. If my requirements for a daily were limited to the work commute, it would have been great.
I fully understand Andy, I have a 996 C4S and just bought a 991.1 C4S - undisputeably one of the best cars in the world BUT - it lacks of some of the magic the older 911's had and it cannot be used as a full daily, i.e. I have a big dog (Polish Sighthound) and need my Range Rover to stay forever due to the capacity constraints on the 991. Still sad to see you sold the car!
Gotta say that lately I’ve really missed it. Have even been scouring the market, considering the idea of getting another one. But the “hot” market I referred to in this video has only gotten hotter!
really finding the keeper, fun car thing a challenge, for me it boils down to 997.2 or 991.1. Both NA but the older gen has the right dimensions and noise and engagement vs the 991 looks and more modern interior
Honestly, either of the two cars you've just mentioned will deliver a tonne of good times and just enough modern luxury.
Maybe a bright color could give you that "special feel" each time you drive it?
You might be onto something there! Always love Carmine Red.
Late to comment, but I think you’ve hit quite an important point. In trying to have a 911 (991) as your daily driver, it never attains the sense of occasion of the 964. We have a Macan for everyday driving, and it handles that perfectly. My 964 is more of an event when we take it out, which keeps it special. Also found your comment regarding the increased size of the 991 spot on. The 964 fits even American roads better than the 991, which makes driving more enjoyable. I would like to see Porsche go back to the original (1963-1998) proportions for the 911, but the odds of that are probably zero.
Spot on. I agree with every comment you’ve made. I must confess that, as time goes on, I’d love another 991. But I don’t think I want one for daily duties.
I Love my 996 Gen 1 over all of them. Except for my 1980 911 SC. I've owned Porsches for 60+ years. Air Cooled to Water Cooled. I live in the deep south USA.. At my age, I need COLD A/C. I've got it in my well sorted 911 996 w/ only 56K on the clock.
Yes I'll definitely miss the 991 on the hotter days here in Summer. There's something to be said for quality air conditioning - especially in traffic. Sitting in traffic in an air cooled car, watching the temp gauge heading north is never fun! Sounds like you've experienced a great range of Porsches in your time Tom. Love it!
Own a 991.1, Manual with PSE and can't see parting ways...
Hold onto it i say! I wish I'd held on to mine.
Trying to figure out if I'm watching Last Rasp or the Bachelorette. Just replace "car/991" with "man/guy/he"
"He's incredibly fun"
"He's an amazing man."
"For whatever reason, I just feel more connected to that guy than I do to this guy."
"The market's hot."
"The other reason is, the kind of guys that I do here around Melbourne are..."
"I feel like the size and weight of the guy is something I notice."
"And that brings me to the final reason that I didn't choose this guy.... I just haven't felt a magic connection with this guy. It's not the guys fault...he's an exceptional guy, but for whatever reason this guy and me...we just haven't connected."
"Do I think he's an incredible guy? Yeah absolutely!"
Great job dude, I would say sorry to see her go...but it looks like a the right time.
Bwahahaha. I’d love to say I have no idea what you’re talking about but you make a very fair point! Hilarious. 😂
You’re nuts. Last naturally aspirated 911!
You may be right Joshua! 😂
Hi Andy. Can relate. Had a 997.2 as daily and ended up selling and getting 996 for getaways and Sunday drives. 997 under warranty so no tinkering. 996 I can play with and have fun doing some DIY stuff. A hobby car gives me more emotive connection than daily. Also at 1/3 price can be less precious with 996. What to get for your daily?
Yep the fear of voiding the warranty is a limiting factor for sure. I love how James from Auto Amateur seems to not worry about that and has been able to make his 991 an awesome expression of his perfect 911. I think about the things I could have done with stance, wheel colour, light lens tints, exhaust etc and know I could have made that car far more unique. Maybe I’ll get another some day and do all those things.
My daily is a Jeep SRT. 6.4 ltr HEMI.
You sound more like you wanna have a Cayenne to haul your stuff…
haha. You may be right Sean! It's telling isn't it that I held onto my Jeep throughout for exactly that reason.
I have owned one for one year. Did you get rid of it . I am never sad owning one
There have been many moments where I've wished I never sold the car. Was discussing it just last week on the Curb & Canyon podcast.
I have a 2013 991.1 4S fully loaded. You are nuts to sell that car
Tracy your car sounds brilliant - truth be told, they all are! If you're loving the drive, that's what matters and I maybe I am nuts. I definitely miss the car from time to time!
I’ve regretted selling every porsche I’ve sold.
Totally get that Rodney!
Great video! Interested to hear what gave you more confidence driving your AC?
Thanks for commenting. It's a very good question. I've learned to trust my AC car, understand its limits but also understand what it's communicating with me. There are some days when I'm driving in the twisties and just don't have flow - on those days, I just back off some rather than trying to push through it. I've learned that there's no point trying to force it. It helps having the car setup dialled too.
@@lastrasp thanks!
I felt more confident up until I spun it on an S bend….
Just rewatched this.... did you end up missing it?
Lately? Definitely! Thankfully my GT4 answers the modern Porsche brief really nicely. However, I think if I’d held onto the 991 for longer it would have gotten u der my skin more and I’d never have sold it in the first place.
Sorry don't understand
I have a 991.1 cs2 manual
I find it hard to.let go of it after 3 years. Nothing else can match it for me as an all rounder.
That's okay Michael, I'd find it hard to let go of too and there are definitely days when I miss it. The manual version must be brilliant. Keep enjoying that car!
@@lastrasp definitely
What are you going to be replacing it with?
Good question Paul. Nothing for now - want to sit tight I’m kind of happy to free up some money.
I am selling my 991.1 GTS. I’ll regret at some point but something new coming in.
Love the GTS! Maybe there’ll be regret but that’s always eased by something new coming onto the fold!
I can completely relate with your deeper connection with the 964. I feel the same way. Smart play to exit the 991 now. I’m sure you did well. My friend just took a deposit on his guards red 991.1 manual and will be selling it for a silly number he couldn’t refuse.
Exactly right Will. Manual 991 would be a blast actually. I also figure there’s a reasonable supply of 991s. If I regret it, I could find another one.
@@lastrasp if you’re anything like me and my connection with air cooled (and it sounds like maybe you are on some level) I am doubtful you’ll want another one…I don’t miss either of the water cooled cars I sold. #aircooled4lyfe
Agreed. It’s funny because I love the watercooled cars. It was never AC v WC for me but the truth of it is, when it’s time to grab a set of keys my AC car won 9/10 times.
@@lastrasp I just find the soul, presence, character and the work required for the reward in the air cooled cars so alluring. The modern 911’s, while incredibly good, just don’t move me like the older cars.
Couldn’t have said it better mate.
👍🏽🇯🇲hi I have a996 I can not let it go it is great
Well Keith that’s just it. Sometimes a car gets under your skin and you can’t imagine ever moving it on. Those cars are keepers.
Sold my 991.1 C4S as well. Bought a 992 C4S...
Oh big move! What a beautiful car the 992 is! How are you enjoying it?
@@lastrasp I haven't got to drive it yet
I've got a 991.1 best car I've ever driven, I think you are making a mistake?..
having had the benefit of time, I tend to agree with you!
Manual, you have to get a manual :-)
Actually believe that is a very good point!
PDK - not for me - not now - not ever
Well whatever floats your boat right? Like I mentioned I'm a big fan of PDK. And the times I had spirited drives in the car, I really enjoyed it. Rather than looking at it as a less fun experience than rowing through the gears of a manual, I just embraced it as a different experience. Lightning fast shifts, mated to that engine were just brilliant.
@@lastrasp We have 2013 PDK 981 Boxster, and 996.1GT3, manual of course. Love both!! As an every day car, PDK is brilliant, but manual in GT3 is very engaging!! In a heartbeat I would have a current GT3 or 992 in PDK
I have to admit, it makes me a little sad. That 991 S is a beautiful car. I have a 981 S, so I know what the car feels like on the inside. I can't imagine giving up my 981 S. That said, I understand that given the opportunity to drive a nicely sorted 964 I would also probably choose that. So it's probably better to let someone else enjoy it instead of leaving it to sit in your garage.
You what Greg, when I bought the 991 I had originally wanted a 981 S just like you. I wonder if I had bought that car, it might have just been a bit more suitable to the kinds of roads we drive and a bit more 'me'. I've driven a 981S and loved it. If I had bought one I may well have held onto it.
@@lastrasp It's hard to say, maybe you're right; I really like the balance of my 981 S. Or... maybe if your 991 S was a manual? I've driven PDKs and while they are brilliant, I find a manual is so much more fun to drive. Either way, great video. I love your stuff. Keep up the great work!
@@gwilli maybe Greg. But honestly, I love the PDK. Thanks so much for the feedback!
You sold the car bc you can’t extract 100% of its performance. A 964 is a much simpler car to reach the limits. I’ve had several of both, and the 991 is an incredible machine that can be driven to the limit with reliability…the 964 is a flabby ancient oil pumper that can barely keep up with a Golf.
Thanks Andy