Speaking as someone who has owned two981Caymans also Boxster and Boxster S and now own a 991.1 Carrera I can tell you the drive is quite similar even though the 911 is rear engine. But no doubt the 911 is quicker feels more sturdy and more a quality car that gives you more of that feeling of driving something special and unattainable for many. In short if you want a iconic car that you feel special in get a 911 🙂
Interesting! I’d love to test the PDK .2 as just couldn’t really enjoy the manual in this, I mean it was by no means bad but somehow the car suited being an auto.
I had to spec the stupid stop watch in order to get sports + .... The stupid stop watch itself is even worse on the modern Porsches as they have moved it from in the dash to ON TOP OF the dash. Unbelievable. Looking to see if I cant buy the "non-chrono option dash piece" and then hide that stop watch under the dash piece without disconnecting it so that sports + will still work and the car wont throw up codes. Pretty much an eyesore on the dash as it is....and its right in line of sight. Car is pretty fabulous aside from this annoyance.
Good and interesting alternative view of a 911. Bit of an odd opening though. It’s a sports car. A 2+2. Not a family saloon. I thought one of the best known facts about the back seats is … it’s kids only, unless you’ve a five minute emergency trip to make. I had a 991.1 (also a 2012 model), which I had after a 2009 Cayman S. Loved them both, and in the real world the Cayman is just as quick. However, the extra space in the 911, the grip out of corners … and yes the sheer prestige means I’ve ordered a new 992 Carrera S. The 992 does make the Cayman interior look a little dated these days. Did you actually say … “Porsche has not done well?” :-)
Yeah Porsche hasn’t done well in terms of selling the 911 dream to me. By no means a bad car. Maybe I was expecting too much. With the back seat, I get it’s not for adults really but hoped it was more accommodating for child seats, isofix ect. There are ways round it and I did eventually get the seat in. Somebody pointed out once they can fit in a booster it’s more than ok which I don’t doubt. Front boot and general space inside was lovely and the cabin a lot more up to date. Love the way the cayman drives, I think that’s the biggest problem, caymans drive unbelievably well for the price point it’s hard not to find flaws in other cars. Glad you liked the different perspective on the 911👍
@@JoeTalksCars Starting your own channel is a lot of work. Keep it up! You are right. The Cayman is a tough act to follow, and it gets better with the 718. It was a close thing between a Spyder and a 992 for me. And not every element of a car that appeals is quantifiable. Sometimes it just feels right and has that sense of occasion. The 992 has it for me.
Great video, Joe! One thing I am afraid of is that the 911 will slowly grow on you once you return it back... now it is like: meh, mixed feelings; in 2 weeks it will be like: maybe it wasn't so bad and maybe I enjoyed that and that; in 2 months: ok, it is time, I gotta have it. At least this is what happened to me 🙈
I think the sound you're hearing is the sound symposer piping in intake noise. When I first heard it, I thought it was the exhaust. That car doesn't have a PSE button so can't have factory fitted sport exhaust. The quad tips could've been an option. If your certain it has sport exhaust, PSE might have been added after the sale and never coded to a button. Not sure...
Oooh is it? My mk6 golf has similar and I do actually like it. Way better than a fake sound coming through speakers. Yeah the matte black quad pipes confused me as I’ve not seen those before. Like you said may have been added after.
The Cayman is a sports car with its own identity and unique driving characteristics to the 911 so when people use the term upgrade to a 911 , they can be missing the point. The Cayman has a superior sports car setup with two seats and midship engine whilst the 911 is a sports coupe with four seats, albeit impractical and a rear more potent engine. If you see a sports car from the prism of speed then 911 is an upgrade but if you want drivability then you should be looking at Cayman R, GTS, GT4 or GT4RS. Personally I prefer a sports car with two seats and mid-engine, speed is the least important as I live in a 20mph London riddle with potholes, speed cameras and patrolling police officers so my base 987.2 is very competent and fast for normal driving. Rev it out the base Cayman goes mental and can keep up with most modern cars. Nice review, I am hardly surprised with your conclusion.
So glad you are on the same page with regards to the 911 being an upgrade. Been getting a bashing on the comments but the Cayman is a better car full stop. The 911 just has the prestige and size on its side. I’d love a 911 still but just not a manual 991.1.
It’s just not a family car … it just isn’t for that kinda lifestyle whilst you need car seats etc…… just admit defeat and get a people carrier 😂😂 however Taycans ain’t that far off the price a good 991 a few more months you can have 2 Taycans for one 991 😂
I have the cayman still and having a young child means I still long for a 911. No it’s not a family car but we could easily use it for days out or short breaks away. The cayman means we don’t use it as much as I would like.
Love my base 2014 991. When you choose the sport or super sport mode…Watch out! I don’t use the stop watch, no track use for me. Rear seats are really for caps/hats to store or to hold your dash sun shade when folded up. Front end absolutely is light.
I don’t think those wheels are stock or base those are the S wheels and it has red calipers so that’s a option or it has upgraded brakes Those are 20 inch wheels they didn’t have the staggered size till the 992
The stopwatch is part of the sports chrono package so it's not just the stopwatch that you're getting. It gives you things like launch control (for the PDK), Sports Plus mode, Faster shifting (PDK), throttle response, and dynamic engine mounts. It's only really worth it if you're getting a PDK but that's why it's considered an attractive option. It makes your PDK Porsche more sporty. I was thinking the 911 might be good for my dog car seat but after seeing one there's not a chance it will fit. Isn't the clutch too long and heavy in all Porsches as well as the long gearing? I found the 981 was pretty boring and slow at low revs. The 981 feels quite big too. I'd love to see you compare a 981 S to your car. You should do day - maybe a 718 too.
This is only the second manual one I’ve driven so not sure but it’s probably a characteristic. If it is what all the manual cars are like then I would 100% go PDK. Couldn’t live with the clutch at all. Ah that makes sense about the sport chrono! Seems worthwhile in a PDK.
Agreed. Chrono with PDK is brilliant. Leave it on normal and you get a compliant daily car. Sport and sport plus and it’s transformed, especially with pse.
It’s just the road surface round here. My last car a Renaultsport Megane was the same. Suspension too hard for the battered roads. 19 inch wheels would help it I’m sure.
My partner could care less about any of my sports car (Porsche 944, M3, Mx5 ND2… Left to her, all she wants is a Toyota RAV4 😂, drives me nuts! So I have decided, she would never like any of my cars, and that’s that
@@JoeTalksCars Maybe it's a 991 thing, but I have a 997.1 C2 and the steering and tracking in every regard is superb. What you describe is nothing like my 997.
Try the 997, you will love the move visceral driving experience and the steering feedback. Coming from the Cayman, the size of the 997 will make you feel at home. I was able to put in a baby seat in the back.
I have a 2014 991.1 3.4 PDK and a 2021 6spd Cayman S. I perfer the 991.1. I am 6'1" and fit better in the 911 . Cayman is kind of small inside and a little to noisy for me. I am not talking engine noise, I like the 4cyl turbo. I like having a sunroof which you cant get in Cayman. Cayman is a great backroad car but not a daily for me
Nice couple of cars you have there!! I wish a sunroof option was there for a cayman. Shame it’s not. I guess the roof is far too curved but not sure why they don’t offer it as an option. The 4cyl turbo must be a totally different thing to drive, mines the 3.4 so it’s a big old lump and needs to be revved out more like a 911. I was so grateful to the garage for lending me this car as I never knew it wouldn’t be instant love and an urge to swap the cayman. I did enjoy the 911 but the cayman is just so much fun it’s hard to ignore.
This has been a great perspective seeing a fellow Cayman driver trying out a 911 991. Id love to see what you think of a 997 being closer to our model Caymen. I got given a 718 when I took my 987 for a major service. It was nice all the new features but I gotta say when I got back into my 987 I just loved it more.
You talk about a loose front and. My buddy's dad had a slant nose turbo back in 82 I think. Had a boost knob between the seats. It felt like the front tires weren't even on the ground when the turbo hit
Fantastically honest review. Thank you! While the 911 has more interior space, as pointed out by another poster, that space is exposed. Leave anything in the back seat of a 911 and it might be removed by someone else - at great hassle to the owner. I own a 987.1 Cayman similar to yours. Love the car. Very practical and it does everything well. No need to “upgrade” to a 911. In fact I’m not sure I’d consider it an “upgrade”…
Thank you:) was aiming to give my thoughts in an honest way. Glad it’s come across ok. I’d still like a 911, just not sure which one. Hopefully il drive a few more and see what I think.
Joe - I agree with all of your comments, but there is more to the story. Once your child goes from a child seat to a booster the back seat is usable (for kids). Also, as someone who has been on a road trip in both a Cayman and a 911, the 911 has MUCH more room to pack luggage. I hope you have the opportunity to drive a PDK with sport chrono. It feels like a totally different car. Both cars are great, but different.
Yeah that front boot is huge! Lot bigger than the cayman I just don’t know if I’d miss the 2 boot thing. Probably not. Yeah I’ve seen a booster in one so maybe that’s the answer, wait a few years and switch from the cayman. In the meantime try lots of different models and years Until I find the right car.
I have pasm on my 981 Boxster s makes the ride in normal-mode beautifully comfortable and absorb ptive and in Sports mode it just Firms up a little bit to improve the handling I think pasm is an awesome option
On a Boxster the sport mode probably makes more sense, a convertible is set up a lot softer than hard tops. They probably benefit from the firmer feeling. For this 911 on the roads tested it wasn’t ideal. Comfort mode and exhaust on was just perfect.
The PASM suspension in normal mode is softer than the non-PASM suspension. And PASM does not lower the car 30mm, it';s only 10mm. Also the wheels are not standard. They are the upgraded Carrera S wheels. And they are 20 inch all round, not 19 inch up front.
Did I say 300mm 🤣🤣 that would make the standard 911 look like a safari. Really it’s softer? Felt unbearable on roads near me. I’m also sure the front were 19, mind you 20s would make sense why the ride was so harsh.
@@JoeTalksCars Sorry, typo. You said 30mm. The drop is 10mm, not 30mm. And the fronts were not 19s. They did not make that style of wheel in 19 inch. At all. Ever. They also did not stagger the wheel diameters on the 991. The wheel diameter is the same front and rear. The 992 has staggered wheel diameters on the Carrera. The 991 does not.
I have a 2014 911 S yes that backseat is small but you put the seat down you can carry a lot and I’ve seen people with kids under 10 back there and I have a 2000 Boxster which is a small fun car to drive but doesn’t compare to the excitement that the 911 S with all seven buttons, I guess when you want one for 30 years and you find one with all the options that you like and you didn’t have to pay the new sticker price it’s a love affair half the fun is the hunt for the car with all the things that you like in my view.
I have a Cayman and it is a base Cayman with no extras basically. 20-in Carrera wheels and carbon trim inside. But no power seats and no heated seats and no sports. Chrono. And in no way shape or form do you need any of that stuff. I am 1000% behind getting the base model. Maybe heated seats if you live in a frozen area and you plan on driving your Porsche but I live in Southern California
Thanks for making this video. I too have a Cayman, but a 718 (982). Love it, and your review was so good because I am in the same exact situation w/ you. I want some backseats. I want to own a 911 and feel the difference in the power of that and this video helped me a lot and you were completely unbiased and I love that you were so honest and truthful. 911 is a great car but everyone doesn’t have to love it over the Cayman just bc “it’s a 911”. FYI:Per Porsches’ own specs, parts & factory files;a Cayman (982) is literally 80% a 911 Carrera😮. Food for thought. Great vid, keep up the great honest reviews!
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it! It did feel quicker but did also feel like a much bigger car, il have one, one day not sure when but I won’t be dissatisfied with it. Different to a cayman but very special car.
Nice video, just on the section justifying the options “do you need this, do you need that”, if you take it to the extreme, do you need the Porsche? Well the answer is no, but if you like (the optional stuff) and you can afford it, then…
Thanks for this excellent and frank review. I too dream of owning a 911 and recently test drove this same base model 991. The comments about the car only coming to live at high revs is spot on and this makes it not an ideal car for city driving where you will find it hard to be able to go to that kind of rev. I might be looking for newer 911 as I read that the torque comes in at lower rev.
Hello Joe. Now you understand if you remember my statement months ago when you where about to get your Cayman fixed when I said when I want to misbehave I take out my 987.1. CS and when I feel relaxed and want to enjoy a powerful ride that is comfortable I take out the 997.2 4S. Try driving a 997 they are smaller. As to the lightness you feel in the front it’s characteristic of the 911. You really feel it when you are going fast and although a little unnerving you get used to it. I’ve only tracked the 911 since I’m scared my 99k cayman May not be able to handle the stress of the track. You can also tell the 911 is more solid, better built, and overall a more expensive car when you drive it. But man that cayman goads you into being bad. I already have paid the ticket for having fun wit it.
I do remember yeah. It’s absolutely spot on. The cayman doesn’t require you to think, it’s just drive as fast as you dare. The 911 although covers ground better and quicker requires a little more thought. No doubt it’s quicker tho.
So besides: Wheels and painted calipers (S brakes?) Active Exhaust Active Suspension Bose Stereo Leather pack LED Headlights ParkAssist Alcantara headliner It has no options ? 😀
Well yeah I suppose it has some 🤣🤣 just compared to others I’ve seen it’s quite basic. Don’t think it had park assist. Unless it did and I missed that.
Yeah it’s amazing really, never really understood how good the mid engine layout was until I drove this. If anything made me love the cayman more and appreciate its handling.
I did do a few more videos on this car, on the way to take it back I kind of did want to keep it. I do now want one, just a PDK for me, I don’t think the manual added anything to it in my honest opinion.
Joe that front and looseness you are describing I would imagine the front-end may need to be checked or it could be the fact that the 9/11 is rear engine and that the car is rear wait biased and as such would need to be driven to it5 advantages
Yeah from what I understand it’s a characteristic of the car. Rear engined bias. I’ve never tried a rear engined car before other than a 1987 911 so it did surprise me. Coming from a mid engined car.
I’m still determined. Just needed a car why daughter could sit happily in the back off and didn’t have an annoying clutch. PDK 997 or even 992 needs to be looked at first.
I find your comments on the lack of response down low on the 3.4 991 engine compared to the 981 3.4 engine. From what I have read, the 991 engine is stronger everywhere. A did car? Anyway, what you felt in that car is what you felt. It is just surprising.
Yeah I was surprised because before I drove it everything online said it was punchy all across the range. Honestly the Cayman has much better initial pick up. Mine is running a fresh rebuild so maybe it’s that.
The 911 is commonly known as a 2 + 2. Back seats are for children and/or most of the time for extra luggage (very handy). But it is obvious that a 911 isn’t and has never been a 4 seater. 😎
Never driven one, was a passenger, heard great things. Its last of the „analog” ones etc but its outdated, quality isnt comparable to 991 additionaly 996 is tiny and arguably is the ugliest 911
Hi Joe, good content but your video does go on a bit!! I was in a similar position I have had a 987 Cayman since new in 2007 & its a keeper of a car, and I also had a 991.1 Black Edition, this was my boy hood dream. Your right never meet you heros, I had my 911 from new 2015 for 5 years but never really loved it as much as the Cayman. I was so gutted by this, it did everthing OK but never got under my skin, I sold it last year without regret & I doubt I'll want another 911. Cayman 987 perfect sports car for the road except the ride quality is shocking.
Joe to me it sounds like you need to do a little bit more research on the cars and features you are testing rather than saying things like The pasm things. Oh and forget what you're wife thinks. She can get a small SUV for the kid. Please don't be one of those men that says happy wife happy life crap
Possibly, only had the car a few days so didn’t have long to get the videos out and express my thoughts. For me, round where I live PASM is way too firm for the roads. Lowers the car too which doesn’t work for me. We have another car but both enjoy the cayman so wouldn’t make sense to swap to something she doesn’t like.
@@JoeTalksCarsthanks for taking the time to review a car I may one day replace my base 997 with. I have to say I’m lucky enough to have my 997 just for me, as my wife doesn’t like the 911 one bit. She says it’s too noisy, and far too hard a ride for our old bones (61 years old) and she much prefers the ‘sofa like’ ride of our Rover 75. I have no problems with her opinions of my 911, and I agree the ride is very hard, which is one of the reasons I’m considering the later 991. Having watched your video, when the time comes, I will certainly be trying PASM and non PASM cars for comparison. I really like the car featured, especially in white, and luckily I won’t need to carry passengers, so rear seats aren’t an issue, or having to share with my wife, as she doesn’t drive my present car, or will drive it’s replacement. The dilemma for me will be can I justify the expense for the later car if it’s not much of an improvement over my 997. Oh, and I think I’d like to stay with a manual gearbox, even though my daily car is a VW DSG.
I’m fortunate that my Cayman is purely for fun; I could see the appeal of a 911 if I needed something for actual day-to-day transport (but I wouldn’t be willing to pay for one).
Mine is more or less but I do feel I would be able to use it more and enjoy it more if it did have a little back seat. Could see a 911 coming to the garage one day. Just not quite yet!
If you drive the 991.2 which isn't the model you probably want due to its turbo, actually drives better on the roads partly because the power kicks in at lower revs with very little turbo lag and get a PDK if you want your wife to like it ......
What did the sport mode do in this one then? It seemed to make the exhaust louder, suspension definitely got firmer and the throttle was quicker. Maybe it did nothing 🤣 could be placebo on my part 🤣
Switching to a PDK version will solve your gear / high revs issue, because the PDK gearbox will instantly lower the gear and put you in high revs if you push the throttle to the floor. Especially in Sport or Sport Plus mode, because this will happen even faster and you will already be in lower gears than in normal mode. Then, switching to a 4 or a 4S will solve, I think, a big part, if not all of your front grip issue. The grip inside corners is phenomenal, it allows you quite a surprising speed in the them, especially because you can start reaccelerating quite strongly before their end. In the long curves, you can also accelerate throttle to the floor and it will stick to the road. Of course, you need to try this little by little and get a feeling of how the car behave and not be over optimistic. But you really need to do want it or to do a big mistake to make the car loose grip (such as arriving way too fast in a corner and breaking in the middle of it). But even then, in many cases (if what you did was not too foolish), the four wheel drive will save you, redistributing power between wheels. I never lost grip on the front, only on the back, and only 3 times in a bit more than 1 year of ownership. Each time, it lasted less than a half second. The car immediately corrected itself, probably sending most of the power to the front wheels (I guess). The 1st time was me arriving stupidly fast in a corner and breaking too late (never happened again). The 2nd time was me accelerating too strongly in the middle of a 90 degrees corner in a street. The third was me pushing the throttle to the max and turning a bit too strong to overtake at the same time. With many cars I guess this would have ended badly, but with my 911 (991.1 Carrera 4S), the slight drift was immediately corrected as if it was nothing important.
That’s really interesting! Thank you for your comment, I did wonder if the 4S PDK could be the answer. Sounds like you have had some fun in 911s over the years! I am now gonna see if I can get hold of a 4S PDK. I just think the 991 at the moment represents very good value for what it is. Not a million miles away from the 992 and it looks great still despite being a decade old.
Great review. The other appealing feature for the cayman vs 911 is that the cayman is more rare on the roads which I like. If you go for the older 911 997 then the interior is virtually the same. It’s a question of what is best for you not what Is the best or more expensive car
I agree total Joe, would like you to have a go in my 997.2,they are not a family car at all or even a 4 seater!!!. That is why i went for a cabriolet so we can put the roof down in summer and squeeze 2 mates in the back for a blast and a few beers, but as a drivers car the Cayman wins hands down, My next one will either be a 997 turbo S for the speed or a Gt4 for a drivers........... Another bang on review
Yeah that does sound good to be fair. I have now found out some child seats will go in the back and boosters are fine so will not rule a 911 out just yet. Is yours a PDK, that’s what I’d like to try out.
@@JoeTalksCars Been following your UA-cam journey. I’ve got a Cayman S Gen 1 tiptronic also, manuals definitely more involving but for everyday driving in the UK with the tailbacks the auto wins. Really sorry you had the bore scoring, I would of cried every day for a year after that £10k bill, but you….cool as a cucumber!
Joe....id hate to say it but i think a Macan might be a better option. i mean it not a bad consolation prize, you should ask those guys if they have a Macan S, they are actually pretty bad ass.
Wow Joel, this is probably the ONLY review of a 911 I’ve seen with such honesty. As you say this is a personal view based on your circumstances and not an overall damning slate of the 911 in totality, however, there were a lot of remarks that made sense. I’m currently driving an M2 Competition and considering a move to 987.2 S or possibly a 981 standard with an aim to have a manual. Whenever I sit in one it fits so well, let the search continue. Cheers, Kevin. PS I knew it would be a fail ref fitting in the back as my son joined me on a Porsche dealer drive day and he had to go in the back of a 911 - he’s 6ft 4” and said never again 😂😂
Yeah the back seat was as expected 🤣 fine for a child. Good luck with the search, this is by no means a bad car, just maybe not just what I like. A PDK and maybe a GTS and it could be all the car I could want.
@@kevinmcg6747 I was only joking! I’m sure he didn’t even notice. There is a really good UA-camr called Joel also uploading Porsche content. Thought maybe it was that.
@@jameshunterford4099 it did make me laugh and yes I know the UA-camr you refer to. I’m sure Joe spotted the error but his positive response reflects a man worth subscribing to👍.
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Speaking as someone who has owned two981Caymans also Boxster and Boxster S
and now own a 991.1 Carrera I can tell you the drive is quite similar even though the 911 is rear engine.
But no doubt the 911 is quicker feels more sturdy and more a quality car that gives you more of that feeling of driving something special and unattainable for many.
In short if you want a iconic car that you feel special in get a 911 🙂
Nice to have had both. They are both great in their own way. I’m happy with my Cayman but still wanting a 911. It will happen one day.
Try a 991.2. The turbos give the low-end torque. Also, I think they fixed the baby seat issue.
Love my '19 4 gts!
The GTS is the pick of the range. Would love one!
Perfectly fine for me. I buy a Porsche to drive. Fine doing everything myself..shifting..everything. Less buttons and gizmos the better it ages.
Yeah that’s true! Can’t imagine how bad these LCD dials are gonna look in 10 years
Superb honest video. I felt unwell just watching you get in the back, never mind your heroic effort to get out of the car.
Haha it was just something I thought why not try on the video🤣 Thank you! Glad you liked it!!
991.2 S PDK is on another level to the base 991.1 . And Far better than any of my previous 981 and 718S Caymans.
Interesting! I’d love to test the PDK .2 as just couldn’t really enjoy the manual in this, I mean it was by no means bad but somehow the car suited being an auto.
The sport's crono gives you not just the stop watch, but it gives you sport +, which really makes a difference....
Ahhh that makes more sense.
Yeah was going to say, it sharpens throttle response and I believe will shave a tiny bit off 0-60 times
Makes a significant difference with PDK but not with manual.
I had to spec the stupid stop watch in order to get sports + .... The stupid stop watch itself is even worse on the modern Porsches as they have moved it from in the dash to ON TOP OF the dash. Unbelievable. Looking to see if I cant buy the "non-chrono option dash piece" and then hide that stop watch under the dash piece without disconnecting it so that sports + will still work and the car wont throw up codes. Pretty much an eyesore on the dash as it is....and its right in line of sight. Car is pretty fabulous aside from this annoyance.
Plus the chicks dig it.😂
Good and interesting alternative view of a 911. Bit of an odd opening though. It’s a sports car. A 2+2. Not a family saloon. I thought one of the best known facts about the back seats is … it’s kids only, unless you’ve a five minute emergency trip to make.
I had a 991.1 (also a 2012 model), which I had after a 2009 Cayman S. Loved them both, and in the real world the Cayman is just as quick. However, the extra space in the 911, the grip out of corners … and yes the sheer prestige means I’ve ordered a new 992 Carrera S. The 992 does make the Cayman interior look a little dated these days.
Did you actually say … “Porsche has not done well?” :-)
Yeah Porsche hasn’t done well in terms of selling the 911 dream to me. By no means a bad car. Maybe I was expecting too much. With the back seat, I get it’s not for adults really but hoped it was more accommodating for child seats, isofix ect. There are ways round it and I did eventually get the seat in. Somebody pointed out once they can fit in a booster it’s more than ok which I don’t doubt. Front boot and general space inside was lovely and the cabin a lot more up to date. Love the way the cayman drives, I think that’s the biggest problem, caymans drive unbelievably well for the price point it’s hard not to find flaws in other cars. Glad you liked the different perspective on the 911👍
@@JoeTalksCars Starting your own channel is a lot of work. Keep it up!
You are right. The Cayman is a tough act to follow, and it gets better with the 718. It was a close thing between a Spyder and a 992 for me. And not every element of a car that appeals is quantifiable. Sometimes it just feels right and has that sense of occasion. The 992 has it for me.
Great video, Joe! One thing I am afraid of is that the 911 will slowly grow on you once you return it back... now it is like: meh, mixed feelings; in 2 weeks it will be like: maybe it wasn't so bad and maybe I enjoyed that and that; in 2 months: ok, it is time, I gotta have it.
At least this is what happened to me 🙈
It’s started already. It’s that iconic shape. I need one! Will be trying a 997 as it’s smaller.
I think the sound you're hearing is the sound symposer piping in intake noise. When I first heard it, I thought it was the exhaust. That car doesn't have a PSE button so can't have factory fitted sport exhaust. The quad tips could've been an option. If your certain it has sport exhaust, PSE might have been added after the sale and never coded to a button. Not sure...
Oooh is it? My mk6 golf has similar and I do actually like it. Way better than a fake sound coming through speakers. Yeah the matte black quad pipes confused me as I’ve not seen those before. Like you said may have been added after.
The Cayman is a sports car with its own identity and unique driving characteristics to the 911 so when people use the term upgrade to a 911 , they can be missing the point. The Cayman has a superior sports car setup with two seats and midship engine whilst the 911 is a sports coupe with four seats, albeit impractical and a rear more potent engine. If you see a sports car from the prism of speed then 911 is an upgrade but if you want drivability then you should be looking at Cayman R, GTS, GT4 or GT4RS.
Personally I prefer a sports car with two seats and mid-engine, speed is the least important as I live in a 20mph London riddle with potholes, speed cameras and patrolling police officers so my base 987.2 is very competent and fast for normal driving. Rev it out the base Cayman goes mental and can keep up with most modern cars. Nice review, I am hardly surprised with your conclusion.
So glad you are on the same page with regards to the 911 being an upgrade. Been getting a bashing on the comments but the Cayman is a better car full stop. The 911 just has the prestige and size on its side. I’d love a 911 still but just not a manual 991.1.
It’s just not a family car … it just isn’t for that kinda lifestyle whilst you need car seats etc…… just admit defeat and get a people carrier 😂😂 however Taycans ain’t that far off the price a good 991 a few more months you can have 2 Taycans for one 991 😂
I have the cayman still and having a young child means I still long for a 911. No it’s not a family car but we could easily use it for days out or short breaks away. The cayman means we don’t use it as much as I would like.
You don’t want a 911 to drive yourself ?
Well of course but like to share with my better half and for that we need to both agree. A PDK would be just perfect.
Love my base 2014 991. When you choose the sport or super sport mode…Watch out! I don’t use the stop watch, no track use for me. Rear seats are really for caps/hats to store or to hold your dash sun shade when folded up. Front end absolutely is light.
Thank you for your comment! I think now the hunt for a base 991 is happening for me. Just want PDK.
@@JoeTalksCars yep! I have that
They absolutely can take a child seat, I had my baby in the back for a good while
I don’t think those wheels are stock or base those are the S wheels and it has red calipers so that’s a option or it has upgraded brakes Those are 20 inch wheels they didn’t have the staggered size till the 992
The stopwatch is part of the sports chrono package so it's not just the stopwatch that you're getting. It gives you things like launch control (for the PDK), Sports Plus mode, Faster shifting (PDK), throttle response, and dynamic engine mounts. It's only really worth it if you're getting a PDK but that's why it's considered an attractive option. It makes your PDK Porsche more sporty. I was thinking the 911 might be good for my dog car seat but after seeing one there's not a chance it will fit. Isn't the clutch too long and heavy in all Porsches as well as the long gearing? I found the 981 was pretty boring and slow at low revs. The 981 feels quite big too. I'd love to see you compare a 981 S to your car. You should do day - maybe a 718 too.
This is only the second manual one I’ve driven so not sure but it’s probably a characteristic. If it is what all the manual cars are like then I would 100% go PDK. Couldn’t live with the clutch at all. Ah that makes sense about the sport chrono! Seems worthwhile in a PDK.
Agreed. Chrono with PDK is brilliant. Leave it on normal and you get a compliant daily car. Sport and sport plus and it’s transformed, especially with pse.
@@JoeTalksCarsjust curious did you ever get to try the 991.1 with sport chrono? It’s a different car imo
There's something wrong with one of the suspension components if you're hitting a bump and it's redirecting the car when it lands
It’s just the road surface round here. My last car a Renaultsport Megane was the same. Suspension too hard for the battered roads. 19 inch wheels would help it I’m sure.
My partner could care less about any of my sports car (Porsche 944, M3, Mx5 ND2… Left to her, all she wants is a Toyota RAV4 😂, drives me nuts! So I have decided, she would never like any of my cars, and that’s that
Yeah but she loves my Cayman so it seems she just has good taste 🤣
That front end looseness you mention does not sound right. I wonder if the car needs struts or an alignment???
It’s a 911 thing apparently, it felt ok. Better than 99% of cars I’ve driven but nothing like a cayman.
@@JoeTalksCars Maybe it's a 991 thing, but I have a 997.1 C2 and the steering and tracking in every regard is superb. What you describe is nothing like my 997.
@@aboyandhisdogPossibly the electric steering. I think they started using it with the 991.
I can vouch for this. It's a bit unnerving sometimes
@@ashardisnot_hereWhich car do you have?
Try the 997, you will love the move visceral driving experience and the steering feedback. Coming from the Cayman, the size of the 997 will make you feel at home. I was able to put in a baby seat in the back.
That’s what I’d love to try next a 997.2 PDK I think that with any engine on offer would be right up my street.
I have a 2014 991.1 3.4 PDK and a 2021 6spd Cayman S. I perfer the 991.1. I am 6'1" and fit better in the 911 . Cayman is kind of small inside and a little to noisy for me. I am not talking engine noise, I like the 4cyl turbo. I like having a sunroof which you cant get in Cayman. Cayman is a great backroad car but not a daily for me
Nice couple of cars you have there!! I wish a sunroof option was there for a cayman. Shame it’s not. I guess the roof is far too curved but not sure why they don’t offer it as an option. The 4cyl turbo must be a totally different thing to drive, mines the 3.4 so it’s a big old lump and needs to be revved out more like a 911. I was so grateful to the garage for lending me this car as I never knew it wouldn’t be instant love and an urge to swap the cayman. I did enjoy the 911 but the cayman is just so much fun it’s hard to ignore.
This has been a great perspective seeing a fellow Cayman driver trying out a 911 991. Id love to see what you think of a 997 being closer to our model Caymen. I got given a 718 when I took my 987 for a major service. It was nice all the new features but I gotta say when I got back into my 987 I just loved it more.
Really so the 987 was even still good when comparing it to a 718? That’s amazing!
I was going to subscribe but you said, allowed too get a 911 😄😄😄😄 your wife is not your mom be a man 🤦🏾♂️ get a suv for your wife dude 😎
Haha you can still subscribe. I can do what I like but she drives the cars too. Good to have a car everyone can enjoy.
Very good, detailed, real world, unbiased and honest review. Keep going with the channel.
Thank you so much! This video has done really well!
You talk about a loose front and. My buddy's dad had a slant nose turbo back in 82 I think. Had a boost knob between the seats. It felt like the front tires weren't even on the ground when the turbo hit
Nice! I think it’s maybe a 911 characteristic. Wasn’t a huge fan but I could live with it .
Showing your ignorance. “The 911 handles badly”….are you F’n kidding me ?
Badly compared to a mid engined cayman. Yes.
Fantastically honest review. Thank you!
While the 911 has more interior space, as pointed out by another poster, that space is exposed. Leave anything in the back seat of a 911 and it might be removed by someone else - at great hassle to the owner.
I own a 987.1 Cayman similar to yours. Love the car. Very practical and it does everything well. No need to “upgrade” to a 911. In fact I’m not sure I’d consider it an “upgrade”…
Thank you:) was aiming to give my thoughts in an honest way. Glad it’s come across ok. I’d still like a 911, just not sure which one. Hopefully il drive a few more and see what I think.
@@JoeTalksCars Given what you have “invested” in your Cayman I’d keep it as long as possible!
I have a 2013 991.1. Affordable and easy to work on. My 3rd 911. It simply fit our budget. I do have some nice options. The NA sound is fantastic.
I want to get a 911 soon. Any version will do just fine. But for me it would have to be PDK
Bro said it's too rough for these roads. Maybe in Europe 😂
Are people from UK like Egypt saying they're not part of Africa? 😂
It’s how it’s commonly referred to. Euro trip doesn’t mean a trip to Cornwall.
Joe - I agree with all of your comments, but there is more to the story. Once your child goes from a child seat to a booster the back seat is usable (for kids). Also, as someone who has been on a road trip in both a Cayman and a 911, the 911 has MUCH more room to pack luggage. I hope you have the opportunity to drive a PDK with sport chrono. It feels like a totally different car. Both cars are great, but different.
Yeah that front boot is huge! Lot bigger than the cayman I just don’t know if I’d miss the 2 boot thing. Probably not. Yeah I’ve seen a booster in one so maybe that’s the answer, wait a few years and switch from the cayman. In the meantime try lots of different models and years Until I find the right car.
I have pasm on my 981 Boxster s makes the ride in normal-mode beautifully comfortable and absorb ptive and in Sports mode it just Firms up a little bit to improve the handling I think pasm is an awesome option
On a Boxster the sport mode probably makes more sense, a convertible is set up a lot softer than hard tops. They probably benefit from the firmer feeling. For this 911 on the roads tested it wasn’t ideal. Comfort mode and exhaust on was just perfect.
The PASM suspension in normal mode is softer than the non-PASM suspension. And PASM does not lower the car 30mm, it';s only 10mm. Also the wheels are not standard. They are the upgraded Carrera S wheels. And they are 20 inch all round, not 19 inch up front.
Did I say 300mm 🤣🤣 that would make the standard 911 look like a safari. Really it’s softer? Felt unbearable on roads near me. I’m also sure the front were 19, mind you 20s would make sense why the ride was so harsh.
@@JoeTalksCars Sorry, typo. You said 30mm. The drop is 10mm, not 30mm. And the fronts were not 19s. They did not make that style of wheel in 19 inch. At all. Ever. They also did not stagger the wheel diameters on the 991. The wheel diameter is the same front and rear. The 992 has staggered wheel diameters on the Carrera. The 991 does not.
Ahh that makes sense. Oops. Ah well explains the poor ride, 20s on the front of this vs 19s on my cayman were always going to firm it up.
I have a 2014 911 S yes that backseat is small but you put the seat down you can carry a lot and I’ve seen people with kids under 10 back there and I have a 2000 Boxster which is a small fun car to drive but doesn’t compare to the excitement that the 911 S with all seven buttons, I guess when you want one for 30 years and you find one with all the options that you like and you didn’t have to pay the new sticker price it’s a love affair half the fun is the hunt for the car with all the things that you like in my view.
I have a Cayman and it is a base Cayman with no extras basically. 20-in Carrera wheels and carbon trim inside. But no power seats and no heated seats and no sports. Chrono. And in no way shape or form do you need any of that stuff. I am 1000% behind getting the base model. Maybe heated seats if you live in a frozen area and you plan on driving your Porsche but I live in Southern California
Thanks for making this video. I too have a Cayman, but a 718 (982). Love it, and your review was so good because I am in the same exact situation w/ you. I want some backseats. I want to own a 911 and feel the difference in the power of that and this video helped me a lot and you were completely unbiased and I love that you were so honest and truthful. 911 is a great car but everyone doesn’t have to love it over the Cayman just bc “it’s a 911”. FYI:Per Porsches’ own specs, parts & factory files;a Cayman (982) is literally 80% a 911 Carrera😮. Food for thought. Great vid, keep up the great honest reviews!
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it! It did feel quicker but did also feel like a much bigger car, il have one, one day not sure when but I won’t be dissatisfied with it. Different to a cayman but very special car.
Nice video, just on the section justifying the options “do you need this, do you need that”, if you take it to the extreme, do you need the Porsche? Well the answer is no, but if you like (the optional stuff) and you can afford it, then…
Love this comment! When you put it like that it’s so true 🤣
Thanks for this excellent and frank review. I too dream of owning a 911 and recently test drove this same base model 991. The comments about the car only coming to live at high revs is spot on and this makes it not an ideal car for city driving where you will find it hard to be able to go to that kind of rev. I might be looking for newer 911 as I read that the torque comes in at lower rev.
Thank you!! The cayman is similar in the power is higher up the revs but still makes incredible fun on some uk b roads
Those aren’t standard wheels.
Yeah somebody else said this. Wasn’t sure, they look quite standard so assumed they were. Must be a smaller size that these come with.
Hello Joe. Now you understand if you remember my statement months ago when you where about to get your Cayman fixed when I said when I want to misbehave I take out my 987.1. CS and when I feel relaxed and want to enjoy a powerful ride that is comfortable I take out the 997.2 4S. Try driving a 997 they are smaller. As to the lightness you feel in the front it’s characteristic of the 911. You really feel it when you are going fast and although a little unnerving you get used to it. I’ve only tracked the 911 since I’m scared my 99k cayman May not be able to handle the stress of the track. You can also tell the 911 is more solid, better built, and overall a more expensive car when you drive it. But man that cayman goads you into being bad. I already have paid the ticket for having fun wit it.
I do remember yeah. It’s absolutely spot on. The cayman doesn’t require you to think, it’s just drive as fast as you dare. The 911 although covers ground better and quicker requires a little more thought. No doubt it’s quicker tho.
So besides:
Wheels and painted calipers (S brakes?)
Active Exhaust
Active Suspension
Bose Stereo
Leather pack
LED Headlights
ParkAssist
Alcantara headliner
It has no options ? 😀
Well yeah I suppose it has some 🤣🤣 just compared to others I’ve seen it’s quite basic. Don’t think it had park assist. Unless it did and I missed that.
fit you you're wife girlfriend or Both plus 2 kids .if don't already ? haveing this Car will increase your chances on all three
Doubt it will. Trust me it’s nicer to own a cool car that you can still use for the family
The Cayman mid engine makes it much more preferable IMO. If I upgrade mine, it will be a Cayman GT4, not a dentists wife killer
Yeah it’s amazing really, never really understood how good the mid engine layout was until I drove this. If anything made me love the cayman more and appreciate its handling.
Im in the same boat so I appreciate this video. Have a 987.1 and I was thinking of swap to 911 991 but now I'm not so sure.
I did do a few more videos on this car, on the way to take it back I kind of did want to keep it. I do now want one, just a PDK for me, I don’t think the manual added anything to it in my honest opinion.
Joe that front and looseness you are describing I would imagine the front-end may need to be checked or it could be the fact that the 9/11 is rear engine and that the car is rear wait biased and as such would need to be driven to it5 advantages
Yeah from what I understand it’s a characteristic of the car. Rear engined bias. I’ve never tried a rear engined car before other than a 1987 911 so it did surprise me. Coming from a mid engined car.
As a family car I think you have talked yourself out of a 991 911 Joe I think family wise you may have to consider a cayenne or a macan
I’m still determined. Just needed a car why daughter could sit happily in the back off and didn’t have an annoying clutch. PDK 997 or even 992 needs to be looked at first.
You should go buy an SUV to carry your kid in. It’s not a point against the Porsche.
Still hoping for a 911 as I don’t need all the space of an SUV. Just a little backseat for my little girl.
I’m very glad to be following your channel now and enjoying your content, but I can’t forgive those shorts!
Yeah I’m giving up on those
I bought a F10M instead of a 991.1 GTS based entirely on fitting a push chair in… and regretted it everyday.
Yeah I can imagine. I’d love to try a GTS PDK and see if that hits the spot. There are pushchairs out there that will fit. I’ve been looking 🤣
Get a 991.2 base, 3.0 turbo, solves all the ills of the 991.1. Much better car.
I can imagine! I would love to have a drive of one. The turbo just makes sense for low down grunt.
Good honest review. As the owner of a 981 Cayman S, I would consider a 991.1 C4S as the perfect upgrade for my Cayman.
I’m thinking the same! I’d like the 4S for more front end grip, I’d also spec PDK.
I find your comments on the lack of response down low on the 3.4 991 engine compared to the 981 3.4 engine. From what I have read, the 991 engine is stronger everywhere. A did car? Anyway, what you felt in that car is what you felt. It is just surprising.
Yeah I was surprised because before I drove it everything online said it was punchy all across the range. Honestly the Cayman has much better initial pick up. Mine is running a fresh rebuild so maybe it’s that.
@@JoeTalksCars it’s fantastic to hear your impressions from a proper drive. 👍
The 911 is commonly known as a 2 + 2. Back seats are for children and/or most of the time for extra luggage (very handy). But it is obvious that a 911 isn’t and has never been a 4 seater. 😎
Very true, be rude not to give it a go tho 🤣🤣 I do still want one, I may not fit but my little girl would be quite happy back there for a few years:)
And I heard having 2+2 lessens you insurance. They see it as a coup and not as a sports car.
My Cayman doesn't have any sound until you hit 4000 RPM.
Same really. Well it doesn’t until I get my exhaust fitted 🤣
Save £15k buy a 996 Turbo. I did exactly that fully intending to buy a 997.2 or 991.1. Very glad I did. The saving at the time was £12k
That’s actually a good shout! Mind you prices have changed now and doubt that money would get you in a 996 turbo
Never driven one, was a passenger, heard great things. Its last of the „analog” ones etc but its outdated, quality isnt comparable to 991 additionaly 996 is tiny and arguably is the ugliest 911
The 997 gen 1 convertible is the best headroom in the back and drive manual
Yeah a million miles of head room with the roof off :)
This dude is not cool enough for a 911. It's not the car's fault.
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Hi Joe, good content but your video does go on a bit!! I was in a similar position I have had a 987 Cayman since new in 2007 & its a keeper of a car, and I also had a 991.1 Black Edition, this was my boy hood dream. Your right never meet you heros, I had my 911 from new 2015 for 5 years but never really loved it as much as the Cayman. I was so gutted by this, it did everthing OK but never got under my skin, I sold it last year without regret & I doubt I'll want another 911. Cayman 987 perfect sports car for the road except the ride quality is shocking.
Haha yeah to be honest I need to keep them short 🤣 interesting somebody shares the same view as me tho. I’ve been getting a bashing for this. 🤣
Is it the “ride” that’s shocking….or the crappy roads you’re driving on ?
Joe to me it sounds like you need to do a little bit more research on the cars and features you are testing rather than saying things like The pasm things. Oh and forget what you're wife thinks. She can get a small SUV for the kid. Please don't be one of those men that says happy wife happy life crap
Possibly, only had the car a few days so didn’t have long to get the videos out and express my thoughts. For me, round where I live PASM is way too firm for the roads. Lowers the car too which doesn’t work for me. We have another car but both enjoy the cayman so wouldn’t make sense to swap to something she doesn’t like.
@@JoeTalksCarsthanks for taking the time to review a car I may one day replace my base 997 with. I have to say I’m lucky enough to have my 997 just for me, as my wife doesn’t like the 911 one bit. She says it’s too noisy, and far too hard a ride for our old bones (61 years old) and she much prefers the ‘sofa like’ ride of our Rover 75. I have no problems with her opinions of my 911, and I agree the ride is very hard, which is one of the reasons I’m considering the later 991. Having watched your video, when the time comes, I will certainly be trying PASM and non PASM cars for comparison.
I really like the car featured, especially in white, and luckily I won’t need to carry passengers, so rear seats aren’t an issue, or having to share with my wife, as she doesn’t drive my present car, or will drive it’s replacement.
The dilemma for me will be can I justify the expense for the later car if it’s not much of an improvement over my 997. Oh, and I think I’d like to stay with a manual gearbox, even though my daily car is a VW DSG.
I’m fortunate that my Cayman is purely for fun; I could see the appeal of a 911 if I needed something for actual day-to-day transport (but I wouldn’t be willing to pay for one).
Mine is more or less but I do feel I would be able to use it more and enjoy it more if it did have a little back seat. Could see a 911 coming to the garage one day. Just not quite yet!
@@JoeTalksCars … but would it be as much fun? :)
Twin turbo.
I drove a 911 turbo a few years ago and it felt too refined, almost boring. The Nissan GTR was a lot more fun to drive!
Never experienced a GTR but I have heard they are unbelievable. Don’t get me wrong part of me still wants a 911 just maybe not the 991
@@JoeTalksCars I’d certainly recommend driving one. The 911 is certainly iconic. Maybe one day I’ll own a Cayman when finances allow!
The best review of a 911 I’ve seen! Down to earth and honest!👍 I’ve got a 987 Boxster but would prefer your cayman!
Thank you so much!! It was just my honest opinion and will upset some. I’d still like a 911 but not the 991 Carrera
If you drive the 991.2 which isn't the model you probably want due to its turbo, actually drives better on the roads partly because the power kicks in at lower revs with very little turbo lag and get a PDK if you want your wife to like it ......
Yeah I figured the newer turbo cars are a lot better to drive on the road. The Carrera T is meant to be great. Will have to take a look.
The 991.2 is a more refined version of the 991 thanks to a the updated more efficient engine. PDK is amazing! 991.2 is the last classic Carrera.
Nice review. I have PASM on my 987.1 and I was told it for track days. Keep on enjoying Porsche ownership 👍🏻
That would make sense. The roads round Yorkshire are so so bad
the stopwatch comes with "sport" mode. you need the sport chrono to have sport mode :)
What did the sport mode do in this one then? It seemed to make the exhaust louder, suspension definitely got firmer and the throttle was quicker. Maybe it did nothing 🤣 could be placebo on my part 🤣
They are 20" front and back. No 19" in the front.
Yeah somebody pointed that out earlier. Ooops. I was sure they were staggered. Ah well 🤣
Are you sure the 991 base has 2 different rim sizes (you said 19" in the front / 20" in the back")?
I think so, I’m sure when I looked they were 20s on the back. Maybe these are not the standard wheels.
Usually the 992 has bigger wheels at the back. I have the 991.2 and all wheels are 20”
Can you put apple car play on a 2012 991?
You can but it’s ££££
Switching to a PDK version will solve your gear / high revs issue, because the PDK gearbox will instantly lower the gear and put you in high revs if you push the throttle to the floor. Especially in Sport or Sport Plus mode, because this will happen even faster and you will already be in lower gears than in normal mode.
Then, switching to a 4 or a 4S will solve, I think, a big part, if not all of your front grip issue. The grip inside corners is phenomenal, it allows you quite a surprising speed in the them, especially because you can start reaccelerating quite strongly before their end. In the long curves, you can also accelerate throttle to the floor and it will stick to the road. Of course, you need to try this little by little and get a feeling of how the car behave and not be over optimistic. But you really need to do want it or to do a big mistake to make the car loose grip (such as arriving way too fast in a corner and breaking in the middle of it). But even then, in many cases (if what you did was not too foolish), the four wheel drive will save you, redistributing power between wheels.
I never lost grip on the front, only on the back, and only 3 times in a bit more than 1 year of ownership. Each time, it lasted less than a half second. The car immediately corrected itself, probably sending most of the power to the front wheels (I guess). The 1st time was me arriving stupidly fast in a corner and breaking too late (never happened again). The 2nd time was me accelerating too strongly in the middle of a 90 degrees corner in a street. The third was me pushing the throttle to the max and turning a bit too strong to overtake at the same time. With many cars I guess this would have ended badly, but with my 911 (991.1 Carrera 4S), the slight drift was immediately corrected as if it was nothing important.
That’s really interesting! Thank you for your comment, I did wonder if the 4S PDK could be the answer. Sounds like you have had some fun in 911s over the years! I am now gonna see if I can get hold of a 4S PDK. I just think the 991 at the moment represents very good value for what it is. Not a million miles away from the 992 and it looks great still despite being a decade old.
Everything you said is true but the Cayman has better grip. And in two-wheel drive the Cayman is the better handling car
You need some new shorts in your life.
I really do 🤣🤣
Great review. The other appealing feature for the cayman vs 911 is that the cayman is more rare on the roads which I like. If you go for the older 911 997 then the interior is virtually the same. It’s a question of what is best for you not what Is the best or more expensive car
Yeah I’d love to try a 997 as it would be a closer match to the 987.
@@JoeTalksCars get your self over to this side of the country and have a go in mine 2011 997.2 4s pdk top spec, same sort of £££ as a base 991
I agree total Joe, would like you to have a go in my 997.2,they are not a family car at all or even a 4 seater!!!. That is why i went for a cabriolet so we can put the roof down in summer and squeeze 2 mates in the back for a blast and a few beers, but as a drivers car the Cayman wins hands down, My next one will either be a 997 turbo S for the speed or a Gt4 for a drivers........... Another bang on review
Yeah that does sound good to be fair. I have now found out some child seats will go in the back and boosters are fine so will not rule a 911 out just yet. Is yours a PDK, that’s what I’d like to try out.
@@JoeTalksCars Yes Pdk 4s with sports chrono, PSE, you know you want to lol
@@FLATSTICK250 that sounds amazing
You know where it is if you want it on your channel
Glad to see you dressed for the occasion! 😆
🤣🤣🤣 it was a look.
@@JoeTalksCars Been following your UA-cam journey. I’ve got a Cayman S Gen 1 tiptronic also, manuals definitely more involving but for everyday driving in the UK with the tailbacks the auto wins. Really sorry you had the bore scoring, I would of cried every day for a year after that £10k bill, but you….cool as a cucumber!
Joe....id hate to say it but i think a Macan might be a better option. i mean it not a bad consolation prize, you should ask those guys if they have a Macan S, they are actually pretty bad ass.
I’ve certainly considered one. The GTS sounds lovely and very very fast. Hopefully I can get one on the channel:)
I agree but there just Audi's with expensive dresses on
@@FLATSTICK250 they are but nice to have some familiar Porsche touches in there. In all seriousness I do fancy a Cayenne Turbo S E hybrid
@@JoeTalksCars you cant go wrong with GTS anything. if Porsche sold a ham sandwich in GTS id buy one lol
@@ThatCaymanGuy 🤣🤣🤣
Wow Joel, this is probably the ONLY review of a 911 I’ve seen with such honesty. As you say this is a personal view based on your circumstances and not an overall damning slate of the 911 in totality, however, there were a lot of remarks that made sense. I’m currently driving an M2 Competition and considering a move to 987.2 S or possibly a 981 standard with an aim to have a manual. Whenever I sit in one it fits so well, let the search continue. Cheers, Kevin. PS I knew it would be a fail ref fitting in the back as my son joined me on a Porsche dealer drive day and he had to go in the back of a 911 - he’s 6ft 4” and said never again 😂😂
Yeah the back seat was as expected 🤣 fine for a child. Good luck with the search, this is by no means a bad car, just maybe not just what I like. A PDK and maybe a GTS and it could be all the car I could want.
Who’s Joel?
Autocorrect turned Joe to Joel, apologies @Joe and good spot!
@@kevinmcg6747 I was only joking! I’m sure he didn’t even notice. There is a really good UA-camr called Joel also uploading Porsche content. Thought maybe it was that.
@@jameshunterford4099 it did make me laugh and yes I know the UA-camr you refer to. I’m sure Joe spotted the error but his positive response reflects a man worth subscribing to👍.
Thank you so much!
Hope you liked it:)
981 joe - That’s all I’ll say 👍😉
Would prefer a 991 :) Certainly not a 987 over either.
Good shout!
987 is just so capable and underrated. Genuinely was happy to be back in mind after this. Maybe it’s just not the right transmission or spec for me
I got a great idea have your wife follow you in her mini van..
Haha she’s drives a golf GTI
is this the guy who bought cayman that costed him double at the end? Maybe switch to ford? More reliable
Yes that was me🤣