What The Hell Is Going On With Forza Motorsport?
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2023
- The new Forza Motorsport is only weeks away, but recent news has been making fans doubtful of the new entry. Let's talk about the recent controversies surrounding the newest Forza title.
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"The model is legally fuckable" was the most funny take out of the bunch and the one that struck the hardest
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WE MAKING IT FROM THE GROUND UP WITH THIS ONE🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
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All the live happen in fb is just to decrease my excitement. Well at least GT did it way better.
TELL EM TO BRING OUT THE RECYCLED CONTENT 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@dopey473they will.
1 year after release as a dlc😂😂
The funny part is it’s a whole team of people making these trailers and no one said “guys this car model looks like shit, maybe we should pick another one”
Facts
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Pretty surprising. There was no guy who went "this can look better, like the previous stuff we showed"?
They should’ve start from scratch with cars in this “reboot”, people were crapping on PD when choose that decision with GT sport/7 but the cars looked 10x better compared from GT5/6
Yeah if this is really supposed to be a reset they should have done something similar.
Im not a big fan of GT Sport but they atleast had new models.
They can’t the whole thing about forza is the monster a mount of cars
People are allready not happy because of the track drip feed
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A lot of the models are tracing their roots back to Forza (2005) and Forza 2 .
The Sylvia S15 is a prime example for a bad 3d models, that wasnt updated since Forza 2...
I just want the single player to be fun and the driving model to feel good. That's it.
If you want a half-baked meal that's on you. I don't know why so many people repeat this damn argument so many times, this is how we got to where we are in AAA gaming by accepting the bare minimum and being charged premium for it.
@@rokkudayo a good single player experience is something most modern racing games have been missing. It isn´t asking for a half-baked meal, it´s asking for an actual meal, not a taste sample.
I could care less about the game having GT7 quality car models if it can´t be entertaining for more than a few hours.
I hate forza´s recycled car models just as much as the next guy, but I want a videogame, not a tech showcase.
@@997tt7 I agree wholeheartedly. GT and Forza are trying really hard to appeal to the sim audience even though they aren't and will never be fit for competing with the likes of ACC or iRacing. GT and Forza are games and they forget that, and a game that's no fun is not worth anyone's while.
The worst part about it all is that they have got a good balance in the past. Fans repeatedly beg for a return to form from both franchises yet they only get further from that. Even Horizon has it bad with each installment being watered down more and more to appeal to the widest demographic possible.
The only recent racing games that compelled me were NFS Unbound and GRID Legends which is quite ironic considering both of them come from EA yet are way less predatory with their monetization and structure than Gran Turismo 7 and Forza Horizon 5.
This genre needs a shake up desperately but no one wants to risk a new IP and that sucks.
@@rokkudayowhy do you make it sound like you're genuinely suffering
@@rajin3434 lol I'm not, I just got really carried away when I wrote all that at like 2 AM. The yearning for change in the racing genre is real but maybe I shouldn't have been so dramatic about it.
What do you mean by saying they didn't have enough time? They got 6 years
That's 6 years, the same amount of time between Forza 4 and Forza Horizon 3
This is all a theory, but I believe Microsoft had something to do with the car model problem. Chris Esaki in 2020 said their old car models looked real bad under ray traced lighting and implied the list would be heavily modified or heavily cut back, at least from my memory. This was all thrown out the window earlier this year when they announced the game would have 500+ cars and showed a bunch of old, crappy models that were nowhere to be seen in the 2020 or 2022 showcases. I think marketing or some sort of upper leadership were scared of what "150-200" cars would look like compared to FH5 and GT7, and the vision of the game was then compromised. It doesn't help that many racing game fans don't know how to suggest improvements either, with many just suggesting to add more cars. This means a game with less cars, no matter how good it looks or plays, is worse than a game with more of them. I think the fear got to them.
As for the framerate, I think the online cap is a knee-jerk reaction to thing's like SP4's video about the matter. They want to do SOMETHING about it, but they probably looked at this too late (maybe not, who knows?) and it was too hard to change it at that point in the dev cycle. I would've preferred them to do nothing at all.
They're focusing a lot on competition, which is exactly what I was afraid of. I think the game will be good, but some parts suffer from wanting to compete with ACC and GTS/7. Such as this frame rate problem. I just wish they would've focused on FM's strengths instead, but it's clear that with the lack of Drift and Drag, they were just going into "sim" direction and that personally disappoints me. I have Game Pass and will give it a shot though.
Great video!
Them focusing on being e-sport friendly will bite them back hard. It already did in FM7 with the extremely underwhelming performance of ForzaRC.
Sim players do not care about Forza and never will, the issue with time registration was the nail on the coffin. GT already struggles since it will always be within the simcade spectrum no matter how hard they push the marketing of their realism. Single-player content suffered greatly due to this since campaigns were made a fraction of the effort, the always-online requirement was the salt on the wound.
People have been yearning for a return to form for years, something closer to what we had in Motorsport 3 and 4, yet they try to deviate as far as possible from what put them on the map. Contrary to what some say I don't think they need to make another FM4 verbatim, but it would be nice if they were to move away from this sterile vision for the franchise they cemented with 7 and take from what made the earlier installments fun. Not competitive, not realistic. Fun.
I'll give them some credit for trying to push the new career mode instead of dismissing it as just another thing the game has.
People are making fun of the old car models because Turn 10 themselves said that the cars were "remade from the ground up", which is clearly an obvious lie.
Kazunori Yamauchi once said that each car model in Gran Turismo 1 and 2 took a week to make while in Gran Turismo 3 and 4 each model took a month to make. People complained about the old PS2 era car models in GT5 and GT6 so Polyphony effectively rebooted the series with cars built entirely from the ground up in GT Sport. Now in Gran Turismo 7 each model takes 9 months to make. Yes, the cars in Gran Turismo 7 look more life-like than anything else but it comes at the cost of less cars being added and less variety as the devs have to carefully decide which cars they want to spend almost a full year to develop from the ground up.
As you pointed out, the reused car models wouldn't have been an issue if the devs didn't say "bUiLt fRoM tHe GrOuND uP" over and over again (expecting shit to change. Now that is crazy. And yes, that was a Far Cry 3 reference.) But as the car models get more detailed, the longer it takes to create a brand new car from the ground up and as a result the players get less cars than before along with less variety than before. We'll most likely never go back to the days of racing shitboxes, city cars, soccer mom SUVs, dad wagons, three wheeler vehicles etc in racing games alongside the usual JDMs, supercars, muscle cars etc.
I'd much rather have cars that look like they came straight out of Drive Club on the PS4 or Need for Speed Rivals on the PS3 as long as it means I get to have more cars to play with as opposed to having only a handful of detailed life-like cars most of which I've already driven in other racing games.
Not sure what was your point in saying "straight out of Drive Club".
That game had amazing car models, specially in the interiors. The only downside is the fact that game never had an resolution update for the Ps4 Pro so it's locked to 1080p.
There's not a single model in Drive Club that looks better in Forza.
Heck I would go even further and say some cars looks better there than GT Sport.
I mean cars that look as good as the ones from Drive Club and NFS Rivals. I know they aren't as good-looking as the models from GT Sport or Forza but if having more varied car lists means having less detailed car models that don't take advantage of the PS5 and Xbox Series X's hardware then I would absolutely have that over the same but more detailed Silvias, Mustangs, M3s etc that I've already driven in other racing games.
@@RetroIgor996and to top it out, it has an impeccable graphical, and sound design you will ever seen in a racing game, and even car list that include some of the cars that's a rare sight in racing games like vuhl 05 and alpine a110-50
I never understood what a developer means by "each model takes X months to make" because they're obviously not working on one car at a time or the game would never release.
@@joeminadeo8895it means from scan to full implementation takes 'x months'. they obviously have incredibly large teams focusing on multiple cars at once, in large groups
Re-using car models is not bad in itself, but it starts to become shady when it is in there since FM3/4.
Apart from that i really hope they reworked the Handling, Tire, Suspension and Brake model. It should be a lot more like... Assetto Corsa.
The Evo model comes from the first game
No, it shouldn't be like Assetto Corsa. It isn't a full sim, isn't meant to be
@@Thijs-Visch gran turismo’s handling is good balance. All forza game’s suspension feels stiff af
@Ronaldo-ue5if No
I think Gran Turismos handeling feels very floaty, GT7 is definitely better than GT Sport but it still feels more like your car is hovering than it's actually driving imo @@liuziyu8487
I remember these times when forza fanboys make fun of gran turismo 5-6 for using old car models from ps2 era, now we have the opposite 🤣
PS2 models were quite bad though. If they use PS3 models on the new game, it would look better in comparison. Still, I don't really mind PS2 models on GT6 considering it has more than 1000 cars.
The lack of consistency when showing off the game probably feeds into the morbid curiosity too.
7:41 fun fact. In Forza Horizon it is possible to achieve higher scores in Driftzones by just playing on lower FPS.
I really dont know how it works, but thats kind of the meta some players use to gain higher positions in the leaderboards
Is that right? I had no idea. I'm top 400-500 in the world on drift zones and that's genuinely new info for me.
I know in Horizon 4 that if you drifted certain driftzones in winter your scores would get a 3-4% bump.
@@thesprawl2361yep winter on dry roads also increased score by a little.
it's because the rate of information between your tires and track is less, and in drift mode you benefit from it because your car is more "out of control". It's not a forza issue. Every car game has this issue.. especially the sim ones..
@@TheFormActually wtf are you even talking about?
@@DriftNick wtf ? inform yourself. google it... "how FPS is tied to feedback between tires and road in games" lol
build from the ground up
best joke they ever made 🤣
At this point, Forza is just a FIFA of racing franchise.
no!! that title goes to the F1 series !!
@@commanderclaude8781The years gap between FM7 and the new FM is 6 years and yet how the new game still has a very outdated car model if the game is "built from the ground up"? Not to mention the new FM is 99% looks and play identical to FM7, the new game is clearly unfinished.
I’m not as picky about a lot of the issues listed, but I’m really worried about the credit system being gone as that was one of the biggest core functions to the gameplay
I think you can still buy cars with credits, i feel like affinity should be brought back though, or something.
@@Ronaldo-ue5if wtfffff
create a Neutral XP that you can use to upgrade other cars, very limited amount per day, but it is somewhat enough to keep their idea in the game but not make it too grindy
The physics build from the ground up somehow contain all of the same bugs as the old ones.
You played the game?
and none of this really matters because the game requires an internet connection so one day the servers will be shut down and no one will ever get to play it ever again
I have a feeling this game will flop harder than 7. I don't think it is exactly how it will go down, but there are a lot of things that point towards that direction. What a pitty.
It's going exactly like Halo Infinite
@@falcongamer5867more like FM5
My biggest fear about the new Forza: being just an honest sequel, rather than a game-changing sequel (like from FM2 to 3, as you explained in the video). And worse: will it justify all these years of waiting after FM7?
6 years long is not an excuse, and FM8 is already 99% identical to FM7.
they did drastically overhaul the physics. The game literally has potential to become a next big "sim".. like AC.. but we'll see how will they dumb it down..
@@channe3049 Its literally 20% like FM7 they quite literally changed pretty much everything
Forza takingyourmoneysport, the real scam simulator
So whats more important? Visuals or Gameplay? Because for years alot of these devs focused on visuals over gameplay. Yes having a game that looks gorgeous is cool but what good is it to have a nice looking game if its gameplay aspects are suck. But in respect to the car model issue i believe that may have been a stand in for an unfinished model. Also the issue with FPS advantage thing is also found in esport shooters.
I don't think it'd be an issue if they hadn't constantly trumpeted the 'built from the ground up' tagline, and made such a huge deal about the visuals.
Kazunori Yamauchi once said that each car model in Gran Turismo 1 and 2 took a week to make while in Gran Turismo 3 and 4 each model took a month to make. Now in Gran Turismo 7 each model takes 9 months to make. Yes, the cars in Gran Turismo 7 look more life-like than anything else but it comes at the cost of less cars being added and less variety as the devs have to carefully decide which cars they want to spend almost a full year to develop from the ground up.
I'd much rather have cars that look like they came straight out of Drive Club on the PS4 or Need for Speed Rivals on the PS4 as long as it means I get to have more cars to play with as opposed to having only a handful of detailed life-like cars most of which I've already driven in other racing games.
Visuals was always good, but car models reused from 2005, was good back then, but unaccetable im this generation
@@CyanRooper See, I'm the opposite. I'd be much more open to having a game with, say, twenty to thirty cars in, but each car is meticulously modelled, and you can interact with everything in its interior, can spec it like you can in reality and it was test driven by the cars irl test drivers to be as realistic as possible. And they gave it the richest soundfile physically possible.
If they did that - even with just four or five cars - I would genuinely buy that game. They could pretty much charge me whatever they wanted for a single car DLC and I'd pay, if they _really_ put effort into each single car to make it a true virtual representation of the real thing.
Imagine a Chiron with a completely interactive, modelled interior, with every switch and screen interactive, with a soundfile that captures the quirks of the engine and exhaust, and with handling tuned by the actual car's test drivers. Ie. it was modelled with Bugatti's help.
Now let's say you could have a half hour test drive with it for free, and the handling could be Assetto level sim handling. So a free Bugatti test drive would be available to anyone with a sim wheel. A way for real drivers to test drive cars they genuinely want to buy irl but can't get to a dealership.
Then they could sell the virutal car as a DLC for, say, £20(really, they could charge even more for it if they wanted and people would pay), with optional extras on top that increased the cost to, say £21/£22, so you could spec it just like you can in real life when you're buying a Chiron.
I can guarantee you people would buy that DLC in their millions.
If a publisher ambitious enough to carry out this idea came along and teamed up with major manufacturers they could make a stupid amount of money, and I hate to say it but I'd be up for it. I'm all for fewer cars if it means each one is truly special.
I feel like the main problem people are having is the fack that the marketing team (or whatever they're called) decided to lie about the fact that they made everything new instead of the devs being lazy
The devs were probably rushed to get the game out due to forza losing relevance
I feel like they are going to become like what ea sports fifa, 2ks NBA AND Madden series are going through. There's barely any difference with these games, they feel like the same game just with a few changes that barely justify the 60-70$ price tag
I agree with you 100%. There's some real shady behavior going around here and i do wish to hear some explanations here. You are Indeed correct, the developers are the most overworked beings
EAs problem is lack of competition, which is also a problem in the Simcade space. We only have Forza and GT. I for one hope EA revives Shift or Project Cars to fit in that space.
The last time a FIFA game was completely overhauled was FIFA 12, I think. We haven't had a FIFA game rebuilt from the ground up in over 10 years.
@@Ronaldo-ue5if dude you are responding to the wrong post so I ask you go in peace.
it has been like that for some time now
Completely agree about the car models. That is the first thing they should have done with this. How can they call themselves huge petrol heads, car enthusiasts and still have some of the same car models from 2005... just crazy
No, actually re-scanning tracks and overhauling physics to make cars feel good and consistent on the tack should be, and is a priority. If a driving game drives like shit.. it can look amazing, but it will still be shit.. it's like polishing a pile of shit. You can polish it to look nice but it will still be shit. Hence why you need to make a shit not be shit in the first place.. then you can polish whatever you end up with...
Can't forget the always online BS
The fact that they had 6+ years of development for this game, makes it even more ridiculous. I was looking forward to play the game, but with each trailer and piece of information they release my excitement died down, i'm just happy my pre-order didn't go through on Steam.
From reveal to the current day, my response for 98% of it has been "Ehh?" I have an interest in good games and I have an interest in games that are so bad I just have to see it, but this reboot just leaves me confused and bored. At least The Crew Motorfest gets a response of "I understand it, it's just not what I'm looking for" from me, but this just gets a "Why does this exist?"
The franchise has just been downhill since the release of the Xbox One
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I've heard literally no one talk about it. I didn't even realise it was this month for release
"Built from the ground up." Huh? 😂
Actually, I think you're right I've played every Forza since Motorsport 2 and the things they want to do are not really intresting to the matter that they says "look at the grass it's beautiful and photorealistic" but the community doesn't care a the end of the day it's a racing game not lawn simulator. They should focus on upgrading the FM1s and FM2s car models because some of them are really disgusting (S15 and R32 GT-R), I understand that you re-use models from FM3 onwards because they are about acurate to their real life counterparts but man you delete the older models then you remodel them it's hard but the effort will be praised by the community and I really hope that they look at what Gran Turismo did they thrown in the bin most of the cars from GT6 to GT Sport. When you use not accurate models that date back to 2005 you can't call that a Reboot.
They do things I'm kinda hyped for Forza Motorsport 2023 but I think we'll assit to a ForzaGate.
I agree 100% especially with the cars , what i have an issue is with the older cars where the cockpit dials should not be lit up with the headlights switched off , it seems from what i have seen , the dials are lit up even though the headlights are switched off .. it is sheer laziness and charging a premium for it .
Content? You mean making players grind for car upgrades on for each car Content??? Foh
I just want play the game cuz i canno't play older forzas rn (even motorsport 7 which is really annoying), but i think my biggest problem with the old car models is the fact that they even updated some details that are really visible.
In the case of the car models, i think it's more of the "If it ain't broken, why fix it?" route.
I also heard someone complaining about TDU:SC because of a new cruiser trailer looked dull, the game will release next year and there is still a lot to polish on the game, the camera feels and looks so stiff that it's always sticking to the back end ( like in the Gran Turismo games )
I don't know why people are complaining about that, it's an alpha build ffs
The chase camera is horrible, I agree. I really hope they're more open minded than Polyphony about reacting to the players' desires, and that they implement a more Forza-esque chase camera. Polyphony seem so increibly stubborn about making QOL changes.
@@thesprawl2361yeah at least changing the camera 'physics' is probably relatively easy
I feel like the devs were forced to release those trailers to show fans and investors that progress is being made which is why they look so rough.
Racing game fans at this very moment are being so fickle. Test Drive developers, Ubisoft Ivory Towers and Turn 10 need to deliver.
Thank you content creators like you Dustin and BlackPanthaa for finally discussing this.
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF THAT UGLY ASS SILVIA S15 - ITS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL CAR STOP WITH THE AWFUL FORZA MODEL !
Same to a lesser degree with the Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX in Forza, I just know it looks wonky when compared to other games and real life - specifically the lines near the back window of the car, the lines are too long in the forza model.
And it hurts because I really like both of those cars, and the modern racing game scene is so bad, that forza has been the only reliable option (that's also on PC).
Hope Solar Crown will be good !
The old car models would never have never been an issue if the horrid ones were redone but they never were and never will be
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Whats absurdly frustrating though is that somehow - across multiple console generations and forza games, Xbox One and now Series X -
They couldn't be bothered to update the cars in a "LITTLE BY LITTLE" basis.
Forget doing them all at once, even a few updates here and there over time, is too much for this Triple A dev studio...
@@angelpacheco1608 They stopped doing the bare minimum after like motorsport 4
The fxx-k evo doesn't have working active aero despite me being able to literally steal the animation from the fxx-k, same with the 720s spider
Those are not old models but they still lack certain very basic features
And you have things like the aventador svj iirc where the "forged carbon" dashboard could only come out of forza
If they don't even make sure the new models have effort put into them, there is no chance in hell they care about the old ones or the game itself
They are adding broken new content and refusing to fix old content, this is the forza way
@@mclarenf1lm374
Yeah it's what happens, when there's no real competition for them these days in bigger budget racing games... Modern NFS sucks, Gran Turismo is cool but PS only and has its own problems. Midnight Club dead etc.
Solar Crown looks to be the only genuine attempt at competition and even then thats only for the Horizon style of Forza games.
What the fuck is Microsoft doing it's so weird. They have the resources, they have the audience, they know what we like. Wth is this game.
What's really weird is that they decided to use this old model in a track showcase. They undoubtedly have many newer models they could have used for this, and they didn't. Whoever is behind marketing must not have been able to tell how old it was. That's not good.
Yes why they dont show some lamborhini or porshe
0:40 Yellow Evo, that's the wrong racing game franchise!
I think instead of completely redoing everything, they should have a limit to each car before its remade, maybe like 2-3 games before its updated for higher quality, and in that way they dont have to work as much as they would if they actually remade everything
@@Ronaldo-ue5if I am not religious, but thank you kind sir, may God be with you no matter what God you Believe should be.
Sup Dustin 😁 Hope you're doing good ❤️
I’m just wondering is this Evo model in Horizon 5?
The content thats missing is game modes like Cat & Mouse. And soccer. Driver clubs made the game more inviting. Real leader boards to compete against but maybe FM4 should be the goal. Its not like the 360 had more power than the current Gen.
Personally i dont actually care about the car models as long as they sort of look like the car it's supposed to
Dear. I would totally agree with you. This game comes with a lot of promises. For now the reflections that appeared in the first videos have remained there. New graphics, better handling, (without tricks the computer mainly as an opponent), and generally a radical renewal are imposed.
Old cars would not bother me with their presence, because some old people grew up with them and especially with legendary cars that left a great history in motoring. Even with an extra charge, it's good to have a lot of them. But for the graphics to remain the black mess I saw in the Mitsubishi evo video is really unacceptable. Also the way you upgrade the car looks awful to me personally.
Re-using Old Car Models on a "From The Ground - Up" on some "next Gen ETC" says a lot about what "From The Ground - Up" "next Gen ETC" actually is, doesn't it? I thought so my self.
One of the many reasons I haven't upgraded to a series s or X. I just don't feel the hype anymore for the new Motorsport game
Yeah we live in amazing times, I think there's enough space to fill with more impressive ideas for sure.@@Eeveethegamer26
I get that devs are overworked and that making new 3D models takes a lot of time. I know it. I 3D model as well. Full reproduction cars with interiors are an enormous amount of work. And we can't pretend devs to remake 1000 cars from scratch in just a couple of years.
That said, dear devs, go to your marketing department, and tell them to STOP SAYING EVERYTHING TO BE "DONE FROM THE GROUND UP" EVERY SINGLE TIME. If people get angry at you is because of false promises being so blatant. It makes fans think they are being treated like they are stupid. Stop the marketing department from saying lies to hype the game.
How about they just cut the old models from the list entirely? I don't what other people think, but the game doesn't need 500+ cars at all. Make fewer cars but focus on the quality in visual details, handling and audio.
Take PD’s Gran Turismo 3 for example- and yeah I know different times, but personally, 150 or so, rebuilt from the ground up car models isn’t always a bad thing.
So is it confirmed to be using old car model assets?
Built from the ground up has to become a meme in the community at this point
We had this situation with GT before: Iam playing GT6 right now and I try to only use " Premium cars", however its clearly noticable if the Ai drives those older low poly cars with blacked out windows. But then again if the only chance of a certain car appearing is in this lower form so be it. Maybe they can make a DLC out of it :) Beloved and most used models like thse old Evos should come in high quality tho. All high quality would be great but takes alot of ressources, people would accept only 50 cars and 10 tracks in high quality theses days and so compromises must be made...
I don't think we should make any excuse for reusing such old assets at this point as consumers and players.
Microsoft is funneling SO much money into this series, it played a huge part building Xbox to what it is today, and yet they STILL cannot remake a decade old car model.
It's not lile they were bust creating the most amazing single and multiplayer experience possible for them either, I literally see no excuse for this at all.
For me them using the old car models is not an issue as long as they improve the models by having lots of customisation for them to justify keeping the old models around but they don't do that if anything they take customisation away from the old models
So I agree with everything except 1 thing and that's the wheel vs keyboard vs controller part now I understand what you are saying however in terms of forza if you are using a wheel you are at a disadvantage it took me 2 years to figure out the force feedback setting now if driving on a wheel is better than fm7 the driving will be better but that demo chris showed did not convince me that wheels are good for forza I stopped playing fm7 to play acc and if they can come anywhere close to the driving physics of ac or acc it will be good but it's turn 10 and nothing is set in stone until the game releases
I purely think the car model was a placeholder, but yes, using it for a trailer does not express the philosophy they have been telling us since the initial teaser.
the game comes out next month, do you really think they're working on a new model but still chose to show the old one in a trailer?
Okay, the thing about the “built from the ground up” quote is that it was taken out of context. It’s talking about the track themselves, the tracks are built from the ground up. I think we may have screwed up and created our own hype train that never really existed. It’s a bit like Killzone on the PS2. It wasn’t meant to compete with Halo, but you know how Sony presented it during development? A Halo killer. This was absolutely not what Guerrilla was making, Killzone was just a regular futuristic fps, but because someone else created that hype, gamers were disappointed with the first Killzone.
Built from the ground up wasn't just tracks, they have claimed the physics and AI are also built from the ground up, in reality it's just marketing BS.
Where can I get a mega gigachad gigacock?
I cancelled my preorder of MF8. Almost no Honda's in the cars list.
I feel like if they just re released fm4 in 4k 60 people would love it
"Forza Motorsport: Built from the ground up."*
*Restrictions apply. Void where prohibited.
8:04 that I would call lazy, with them claiming a 60fps framelock for fairness...
Might be a dealbreaker for me
NFS has been using most of the same cars model since 2015 yet nobody complaining about the old cars model but instead want them to add brand new cars. This is because NFS models are usually great, dare I say it only second to Gran Turismo rn.
i'm not a forza player but with probably all the good models, why going for an old low quality one?!
Some car manufacturers don't like to see car damage in a game . Getting a licence to a car that will get smashed up in the game might be hard . i can understand why some cars are missing at launch.
Is not true at all,many games has full crash damage
look at NFS Heat and Unbound, DriveClub, Early Forza titles, Prostreet, now tell me which big brand car manufacturer would be angry with scratches on a 3d model of their car
for newer big Sim racing titles, Look at iRacing, they went as far as adding a damage model to a racecar.
Instead of playing the new forza I’m buying a PS5 and switching over to GT7/8 when it comes out
And they still use outdated driver animations with just like 90° of maximum wheel rotation lol
I'm glad I passed this games
After the motorsport 7
Well the irony they claim themselves "reboot"
In reality They've still Reused the older models from xbox and 360 era.
how about ur 10000$ pc will only play at 4k60FPS online multiplayer hmm? yup its 2011 not 2023 we r more ahead of them i guess
i have said this on the Forza reddit too many times go find a stock version of the cars that need a remodel with no rust or dents and is completely stock and has no window stickers and no rap on it or a non stock paint on it and with a owner that is willing to let Forza laser scan there car. have fun as there are non of these cars stock or in pristine condition left
You are kidding yourself if you think that is the reason they aren't replacing old models, they could find the cars if they wanted, it's not that hard.
I cant keep my eyes off that blurry Mona plush in the background lol.
The cars are the star of the show, from the models, to the physics, to the details, to the sound, cars should be at their best quality. Then comes your tracks and environment.
makes GT Sport look incredible lol
Sticking to assetto. Limiting fps is wild. Why even have my pc 5900x and a 4080 for 60fps lol, wow
Its limited on online at 60 fps to limit a competitive edge
Offline there is no limit
@@wolfgamingnetwork3542 literally , no shit Einstein. My whole point. You're one smart cookie. Why even have good hardware and not be able to use to its full potential all the time? Wouldn't expect you console peasants to comprehend.
Is there a Forza Game that has actually a neutral gear?
Why don't they simulate the original transmission of the car you drive? In some you actually can see a D for (automatic) Drive in the cockpit next to the speedometer. I expect do shift through an automatic gear box (P,R,N,D,2,1) when I chose an automatic car. Sadly they never cared.
I wanna say they did quality over quantity like acc, with tracks atleast
The stuff that matters is good racing .. what it brings regarding this, i will see if it is released. For my taste FM has too many cars either for generations. And in FM 7 i hated how i was flooded with cars i did not want to race at all.
Btw Ur hoodie is fire lol
The Whole "Framerate affects laptime" thing DOES NOT EXCLUSIVELY AFFECT FORZA! It affects EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. Plus, Having a 60FPS limit in multiplayer makes the playing field equal. Higher framerates will have an advantage. Its a GIVEN thing. IN. EVERY. GAME.
Higher framerate literally makes your car faster in FH5 and changes timers, no good racing sim suffers from that issue, most competitive games don't suffer from that issue.
it's going to be the same as fh5 to much talking but not much to back it up.
MARK MY WORDS AND DON'T EXPECT MUCH.
In 2023, when it comes to anything gaming or media related, I have a hard and fast rule: don't get excited about anything. If you have even minimal expectations, let alone allow yourself to become EXCITED about upcoming releases, you will never be happy. I genuinely think most of the talent, or people who have a genuine love for the craft of game design have LONG since been used up/burnt out. Unfortunately the fact that there is so much money to be made in games means it's more so populated by "business" people not "game" people.
Assetto Corsa, a game basically entirely supported by the community, looks 1000x better than this pile of garbage. It looks so bad it is actually shocking.
HOPEFULLY kunos give us something decent with AC2, but I have literally zero expectations.
Very sad because I really wanted a game like forza. Casual gamepad online races for when I don't feel like getting into the sim. Anyway I won't be dropping almost $100 bucks on this. Truly incredible that they can make a game that looks like Horizon 5 and somehow put out something so shockingly hideous graphically.
Personally i think that the presentation of this title is full of chitchat from Chris Esaki and turn 10 about the dept of the experience (in terms of driving model and attention to details) what i've seen so far is the complete opposite... I really hope that i am wrong
every game has the FPS advantage. Even ACC and AC, etc. It's not that High FPS makes you faster, it's making your car respond with more fidelity and easier to handle and correct. So it's not the "forza engine" issue. it's every engine issue... lol
Problem devs have now is we/games demand soo much!. And yes next gen and using unreal 5 for example takes years a decade even!. Take gta6! That amount of timr misses a generation. And have to start all over again.. this is why games are released missing content. No time!! Have to get something out. Pay the bills!
Bro these guys say built from the ground up then use models from fm1(2005) like whaat.
There is no clear vision behind Forza Motorsport. If there is no vision then no amount of work will make something great.
I think it comes down to cross play. If you want cross play with consoles then this is the price we have to pay. Otherwise you would have to keep the multiplayer separate. I'm all down for keeping cross play as this means a bigger online community and better online MP races. My expectations are really low. That's the case for all modern games these days. As someone who plays mostly online mp racing. We have plenty of great titles at the moment. So if it doesn't work out. Nothing has been lost.
Car points for upgrades and unlocking upgrades is absolute hot garbage, im so sick and tired of not getting a full game without having to either grind or pay for a shit battle pass. Also having maps not there until later on is just another garbage idea, stop making games that arent there from the start. Its gunna be another game pass, paywalled and frustrating experience
I don't mind they reusing assets if they look decent, and if they are aiming for big quantity. People need to calm their tits. You don't need to pre-order the game, wait for reviews and only then cast your judgement.
The issue is they don't look decent, a lot of the models weren't good when they were released 10+ years ago.
*Built from the ground up*
Yeah i cant really say I’m all too fussed about car model fidelity on external view as i race with a wheel in cockpit view, and I’m not really looking at the interior when I’m spotting braking marks and turn in points so…
I also know I’m probably in the minority of users.
They are focusing on the motorsport side this time so they have said, so as long as the tracks are well modelled, the penalty system isn’t a joke and the physics model is predictable and engaging the rest is just tinsel to me
I have been playing Forza motorsport ever since the original on the original xbox, so i am a Forza apologist and Forza enjoyer so i do have a level of bias, but i am pretty hyped for this game
Finally someone made a video about the models, thank you! The old models make the game feel old. They could've made the cars list a bit shorter and gave more detailed car models. Hopefully they don't reuse models in Forza Horizon 6.
if fh6 releases in 2024 or 2025 they might reuse but if its late 2025 and above garantee it would have all the models redone but very unlikely.
its forza, they will recycle models.
I am not yet sure what to think about the progression. Progression is great and desperately needed. But this dull grind for car points is bound to get very boring over time. What about brand affinity points like in the older games, slower payouts (for example, the higher the level, the more money you get?), fewer free cars?
And why no qualification in the career?
The car points system is purely for the sake of maximising playtime. For the Gamepass, to be more precise. The more time a player spends in the game, the more money Turn10 gets from Microsoft.
It doesn't have Split screen multiplayer.
As if the majority needs this, ppl cry alot about this feature but it´s rarely used today...For some racing games it might make sense but for games that are focused on online more than offline it was bound to happen.
Lol this one definitely aint on Microsoft publishing, this one is more Turn10. Not suprising, T10 just churns out more quantity over quality control nowadays.
Give the game the benefit of the doubt. It hasn’t even launched yet but keep hearing lots of negativity
You have a good argument but the main issue with Microsoft is the fact is they make a console for people who technically theoretically can't actually afford a Good console like the PS5 or PC therefore instead their so-called Flagship games have to run on both their high-end Councole and their cheap boy console they focus on one good console you guys would get better games they can run at the same performance all around that is your issue other than I'm using old car models and shit
I was hoping Forza Motorsport would lean more into the simulation aspect of racing games. It looks quite arcady
arent there enough sims already?
yeah. i wont be buying it either. i think as a sequel it would be good but as a reboot it falls flat on its face.
I recently re downloaded forza 7 after having not played it since at least 3 if not 4 years ago. With the new one around the corner i was excited and bought a nice steering wheel plus shifter. despite it's age, forza 7 maxed out at 4K@120fps still looks gorgeous. the dynamic weather, the car models, the trees, the reflections, the sounds all great. controls feel tight. What is absolute trash in my opinion is the menu section especially in free drive. navigating the tracks and car selection and continuously having to set class to "ANY" so you can choose your car is brutal. I am hopeful 8 looks better than we see. every UA-cam 4k video still doesn't look great but i think it's editing. I think on screen in your face we will truly see the difference. I don't play online so I need a good career, and easy to navigate menus, prettier visuals and I'll be happy.
When a xbox player is racing a PC player online both play at 60fps to make the race about skills . If they didn't cap a PC players would have 200 fps xbox would have 60fps ..not a fair race !