I wish they'd leaned into the sort of "traumatized child" aspect of it from it's backstory, that'd be so much more interesting then whatever the character is supposed to be right now
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
I don't necessarily like the mimic, I just feel like it was just kind of there just to be there. And this is coming from a guy who seen gameplay not play the actual game since I absolutely hate the five nights at Freddy's series. All because of FNAF 4 but I could still respect the series. I mean security breach on its own kind of gave me the fact that one of the animatronics was actually on my side and actually had a good reason to try and kill you being that it couldn't help itself which I'm talking about. Glam Rock. Freddy but the mimic I'm pretty much thinking that there should have been a lot more. How can I put this? There should have been a lot more introduction and backstory to the mimic and instead of just coming out of the middle of nowhere like I don't know on the contrary kind of makes any other surprise villain look nothing short of you know better but yeah that's just me
6:15 Was gonna say "MatPat in a nutshell" but I wasn't certain on fully committing on saying it. Plus, I haven't played Security Breach or it's Ruin DLC (or any FNAF game for that matter), so I haven't fully know my feelings on Mimic. Also, the movement doing whatever theorists do involving the books got me to laugh
Imagine if William Afton returned as Glitchtrap, a living digital entity that can now mind control his victims would've been so much more interesting and scary than what we got with GlitchMimic. It would've been a great way to show just how threatening Afton could be, controlling Vanny to kill in his place and corrupting the animatronics at the same time. And It'd made William's whole "I always come back" actually mean something. He came back, more dangerous than ever, with new abilities that make him a stronger force to be reckoned with. All that potential was thrown away when they shoved Mimic into the games, made him Glitchtrap most likely because fans hated the idea of William returning... and now we ended up with an even worse story and the wasted potential of an actual good story idea smh. There are AU's and fanfics, but man... it just isn't the same and it's a huge shame.
Afton returning would've been such a nice concept in my opinion it would solidify the threat he poses (barley has screentime) and his return would be a good parallel on his character so far everytime willaim has "succeeded" he's immediately punished Discovers and experiments with remnant Gets spirnglocked Act overly smug and arrogant Gets burned by Henry I feel like him returning would be a slap to the face to spirit "he shouldn't have killed" the spirit (whoever they are Cassidy or Andrew) Were overly cocky in torture of william afton reminding him of his eternal purgatory using the faces his family and himself against him and even saying he was always "destined" to fail imagine the plot twist of the spirit keeping william alive to torture him woukd be an immediate consequence (glitchtrap) for everyone?
Here's my take on The Mimic: definitely scared me for the first few days.. then I realized that FNAF's lore has gone so far off the deep end that nothing matters anymore, to quote a chaotic triangular geometric shape "TIME IS DEAD AND MEANING HAS NO MEANING"
You know, one thing that I also dislike about the Mimic is that it abandons the supernatural elements that made FNaF interesting. An AI villain could work if they merged it with more supernatural elements. Having read the books myself, they try to do something like that (infusing the Mimic with agony and the endo having the ability to manipulate electricity for some reason) but it's not enough in my opinion. Again, I feel that an AI villain could be interesting if they tried something similar to the Absolute Solver- the main villain of Murder Drones. The Absolute Solver is initially presented as an advanced sentient AI repair program, only to spiral into Lovecraftian eldritch horror territory and I feel that if they tried something similar with the Mimic, it could make the character much more interesting.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
Was a nice video. Personally, The Mimic could be alright conceptually, but it's a whole lot of nothing here. The avatar you have looks pretty good. I like it. Good luck with KH Re:Chain of Memories. You will be in for a fun ride when you get to KH2 Final Mix, but we shall see what you think of the game when we get to the game. Take care Tony.
0:16 More Chaos Emerald action! 0:27 That guy also worked on one of DS' videos (speaking of DS, check out her most recent video. Yes, I did say her). The avatar is a calm 10/10. After Tony shows his avatar but before the intro: WARNING: The following video is NOT over exaggerated. Most opinions shared are indeed accurate to my thoughts and feelings. The guy is named Mimic, but he does a poor job at it.
I love how when they heard about Burntrap being stupid, they just made a character for the books and shoved him into RUIN for no reason. Then, just like every (non VR2) Security Breach thing, it got memed to death (though I do love the memes).
A: The books were being written before security breach came out B: in FNAF AR it is shown glitchtrap is so bad at manipulation he mails chocolates with a death threat to Vanessa because a random guy said that's what would get him to comply. Which is comically unlike William. C: In Help Wanted Glitchtrap is constantly mimicking Tape Girl's voice. D: William has never used a fully fabric costume, the springbonnie suit is his thing. E: Dozens of othe things that are very unlike william that have been explained in incredibly long threads. Scott always intended for it to be The Mimic, Steel Wool thought William Afton was back. Because it sure is interesting that RUIN and The Books were very much entirely directed by Scott while with SB he was more hands off on.
It's been a few months, but I just noticed the arguments for The Mimic being Glitchtrap. Did you watch the video to see their points against the evidence?
@@yonderjam I literally watched the video yes and honestly I wish they just canceled their future projects because I don’t like where Fnaf is going anymore
I did not ay Secutrity Breach Like... What is the Mimic? An AI that, in my mind, stole Vanny's Spot, I Like Vanny a lot, i hope she gets more recognition
Trying to put lore from the books in the games canon was the worst mistake the franchise has done and if security breach didn't went through a lot of crap in it's development maybe we wouldn't be in the situation that were in Seriously steel wool should've stuck to there initial guns of William be the villain again and just accept the initial backlash and moved on Not to mention the whole mimic is glitchtrap and burntrap thing is all just pure insane troll logic
I feel kinda robbed… I’ve read most of the books and thought we would seen things like the Afton amalgamation or Elenor in security breach but no we got burntrap/the mimic out of nowhere Edit: thank you Tony for literally saying what I’m thinking. Like Scott we get that we needed a new villain after pizza sim. But you could have done better than a rogue intelligence system. That’s literally why you invented vanny but then you tossed her aside to make way for Afton and mimic neither of which should have made it into the game to begin with. In all seriousness I feel like Scott wasted everyone’s time including his own by not giving vanny more of the spotlight, all that build up for literally 3 chase scenes 2 of you don’t do the vanny ending… what I’m saying is that vanny is a bunch of wasted potential
You do realize William was going to come back anyways right he was in help wanted as glitchtrap and we hear him talking in the security breach trailer What made you think he wasn’t going to come back?
@@strikertoney043 that’s because steel wool is lazy anyways no matter what they do with the mimic it isn’t going to age well or do well I saw a theory called FNAF is doomed basically the mimic taking over the world….. I hope that’s not true I am so tired of the mimic this isn’t FNAF This feels like terminator but with Furrys.
12:22 to clarify what people mean on this point: in the tales epilogues, the mimic's endo is described near perfectly with Burntrap's endo, having rabbit ears, a blackened skeleton, both hands being claws, among other things.
I totally agree with you and I also hate the concept of Mimic because it's very unoriginal. Mimics are a thing which is being abused in every story where they're introduced. It's like the concept of Skinwalkers. They are used so much that they are just boring and a cheap excuse for a story at this point. And the thing is, people (for some reason) keep trying to force the Tales characters into the game story and also keep on insisting that Mimic is Glitchtrap/William. Well, I have made my own points on all of that and also I think I solved the whole story arc of Ruin and HW 2. It's all just one big revenge story plotted by Glitchtrap. Ruin and HW 2 are all about Cassie and her father (who is very possibly Jeremy from HW 1 and even the Bonnie Mask Bully from FNAF 4). I found evidence for why Glitchtrap is also the Entity from Ruin and all the evidence that I've found has led me to believe that the whole thing with Cassie and her father/Jeremy going down the Pizzaplex was all planned beforehand by Glitchtrap. I'm very glad that you're with me on this. :D If you would like to discuss it with me, you can just add me on Discord: xxmonster_girlxx
@@xM0nst3Rx The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released.
@@maas1208 yeah Funtime Freddy and maybe possibly Funtime Foxy are both mimics. Baby too, maybe but we don't have her blueprint, so. And even before that. Trilogy CharlieBots are all Mimics.
I like your Avatar. And this is the first time i have ever heard anyone saying that William is the Mimic. I haven’t heard anything like that until today. But i will be honest Fnaf will never make any sense to me. I need to play some of the older ones eventually. Because my first fnaf game was Security Breach. Not the best one to start with.
Same I hate the mimic too We already had a copy killer in vanny and to her be replaced is really frustrating and saddening I do disagree about burntrap undoing fnaf 6, 1 fnaf 6 has a bad ending, 2 frights already did it and steelwool were only doing what they did cus they had to follow the lore that qas being set up (I know Scott said the books were to the past but some of the stories like the slithering in the walls of the golden Freddy springlock story, and the cliffs are direct to fnaf sb)
@@dylanhudec979Well that works in scream 1996 somewhat however the current story is just so uhh basically btw Stu Macher is played by Matthew in past yet Stu Macher looks like Movie William Afton but teenager version which is cool
Here's my opinion on The Mimic: On one hand, it's a very interestingly "new" villain in the series and a breath of fresh air on the whole "William Afton comes back" trope. On the other hand, it's inclusion into the game is so out of nowhere and such an asspull that the only way to know the character fully is to literally do a "Sonic Forces read prequel story" move in order to just fucking find out about it (also the fact that The Mimic being a FNAF book character before its inclusion into the main base game completely further complicates and destroys the entire canonicity of the FNAF series as a whole. LIKE, DO THE GAME'S AND BOOK'S STORY CANON CORRELATE OR DO THEY NOT!? I'M SO GENERALLY CONFUSED AS FUCK RIGHT NOW CUZ NOW I'M THINKING THAT A LITERAL ROBOT DISGUISED AS A HUMAN BEING COULD POTENTIALLY EXIST IN THE MAIN TIMELINE OF THE GAME!!! JUST WTF!) On an unrelated note though, pretty good video overall and a really cool-looking avatar.
We’ll Looks like nobody wanted mimic and the only people who hated William Afton coming back where the people who were too salty and obsessed with the FNAF 6 ending
Ugh, same here. I mean, I do like the mimic, *but as a seperate character* People sort of WORSHIP him right now. Theres so much evidence supporting that Glitchtrap and Burntrap ARENT mimic, I could dive way deep into why he's not, but Mimic has been throwing around the lore since last year and I'm really really upset about it. The mimic being glitchtrap thing is sort of dying out now which i'm quite pleased about, but its still a thing. Wouldn't it be much easier if we have the same villain till the end of fnaf? I mean he started it, why can't he finish it? Anyways there was my ramble
The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
The thing is that they could have just kept Afton as the villain or fucking plan The Mimic from HW… It’s not a big deal since we all already had what was Afton back at the time in Glitchtrap… They must fix The Mimic now or it’ll be a disgrace! I really like it and I hope it’s not fucked up.
This has to be the best video about trying to explain why Mimic is just a whole chaos and why I don't believe all what they say about him. Look, I dont have a problem about that there is a new villain in FNAF as long they don't forget William, the main one. Vanny's role if it wasn't wasted + this endo that I also hate would had been amazing, a brainwashed girl following the Killer's steps to become just like him and keeping his legacy alive and then BOOM!!! Whole new character. Vanny's character is very wasted in Security Breach sadly and now hearing those theories that Mimic is Glitch and Burntrap makes her be just like a prop in the story. Sorry if I didn't explained very well. Later I will possibly edit this
Honestly I don't mind the mimic but I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. The mimic really needs something unique to him or else I might as well just ignore his arc.
@@huntercrindson3927 well it’s true you can’t do that you can’t bring back a character a third time and change the villain that was literally the whole point of Vanny a new antagonist for fnaf while William is still pulling the strings and according to the trailer his resurrection from glitchtrap to burntrap was going to be 10 times scarier and better than what we got in security breach
I'm a mimic fan, I'm okay with the external media, why you may ask? well it's because I don't care about the external media problem. okay let me rephrase that I don't really focus on the problems that "having your stories explained through external media problem" yeah it's objectively a problem but for me I don't focus on that instead I focus on what this external media gives us & see if I like it or not & most of the time it does leave me happy & satisfied. could this mean that I have a problem "Probably" but hey I don't care I'm just gonna enjoy my mimic and read some Kirby light novels EDIT: so I think a way to fix the mimic would be by giving it it's own game, l-let me explain! you see ever since the "into the pit game" got announced/leaked it has open so many doors of opportunities for these stories to become actual full fleshed out games and I think compiling the mimics stories from "tales from the pizzaplex" could help get people to finally learn about the mimic without having them go out of there way to buy books to understand them and i think this could help establish mimic as a antagonist better for one it could establish more of a character for the mimic, two it could establish mimics abilities better and three it could help explain M.X.E.S. and how the Mimic ended up behind that concrete wall. overall I think a mimic game could help the mimic by a lot. sorry for poor grammer
That’s all fine and dandy, but the fact of the matter is that hiding important details in a book that people might not know about is an objectively bad move. All the important information should be in the game you created. Otherwise, you end up with many confused gamers.
20:37 for some reason you sound like Squidward getting angry ☠️ All jokes aside I agree with you Even though it's FNAF lore after all Also I want to see you ranking Sonic transformation that would be a good idea :>
the problem with the fnaf community nowadays is that they accept everything even if it's horrible and you can't even say your opinion because "no, that's good and if you don't like it you're not a fan of fnaf" which is not It makes no sense because if I like something I'll say what's bad so that thing can improve what's bad, but no, FNAF is fine with a story that's more confusing than before, not to mention that for you to understand it you need to buy it. 30 books different books which is also another problem in fnaf since scott cawthon continues with the same book thing over and over again, and he could do something more creative like poppy playtime with the args on the websites and stuff, and you know, it's sad see where fnaf is going because it's becoming a big thing that doesn't make sense, it's not scary anymore even though it's a horror game for example, I really hope that scott and steel wool realize what's wrong with fnaf and They improve this, but I honestly think they don't and FNAF will just become a game that everyone will forget, unfortunately... (sorry for the huge text, I just wanted to vent about what I think about fnaf nowadays and sorry for the writing, I used Google translate because I'm from Brazil😅)
Hey Tony you should ask naayle if you can borrow mephiles and infinite that way you can send the mimic to null spaces and have mephiles clones beat it up
Finally i find people like a me because The fan is the reason why everyone hates the mimic and honestly I hate it before even fnaf dlc came out because the mimic character is something very different from fnaf fandom and mimic doesn't have personality his endoskeleton try to mimicpeople + he come from nowhere nobody know him even the game never mentioned him if someone doesn't read the books yet will never know what the fuck is the mimic and people don't like to read the books because they feel that do homework or more like job just for understand game lore and same people they don't have money to buy book so what because character his name is the mimic came from book and to be honest, I want to punch the creature of the mimic ( I doesn't mean Scott because I love Scott ) because he make the lore become very bad but it doesn't change the fact that fnaf still alive so we have to wait to see what's happening next.. and this my opinion
The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released.
I don't care about FNAF theories anymore the story was interesting when the second game released but then after Help Wanted things started going completely off the rails and the whole fanbase get's toxic when you believe in a different theory I can imagine many of the manic lovers raging over an opinion it's almost like you can't have an opinion But you can! In my opinion FNAF could have ended whenever Scott wanted to end it and more importantly FNAF never need a complex lore and I think Pizzaria simulator would have been the perfect ending but *NO*
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
Well I'll be dammed, you got an avatar. Crazy how that happened after my question. Though ngl, i thought it'd have a henley shirt since i see you wear those alot.
For the record, I’m pretty neutral about the Mimic/Afton debate, but here’s a few more Glitchmimic points I found that people have discussed: •There is no logical way that Afton could have become Glitchtrap due to how remnant and agony works (since emotions and feelings can only possess a tangible host, he wouldn’t have been turned into code, but instead would’ve possessed the hardware chips that the code resides in due to the boards being digitally scanned) •The chips shown in Help Wanted 2 have been create to help with pathfinding, something the Mimic is known for doing in mimicking people •HandUnit states that the company’s boards were used to “digitally recreate performances and personalities”, which is exactly how the Mimic is described in the books •”Glitchtrap generally does not behave like Afton” •Conclusion: Glitchtrap cannot be William Afton
"Remnant and Agony cannot possess code" You sure about that? Everybody says that, but they never explain why. Hell, in the books, William's Agony possesses a bunch of different metal objects and forms the Afton Amalgamation, a 15 foot tall monstrosity made out of random bits of metal and trash. "The chips in Help Wanted 2 create help with pathfinding." I'm going to assume you mean the Endo Warehouse minigame, and even then, you don't have a point. That minigame is an endo being plugged in and taught random things it needs to know. It's not like The Mimic where it copies what it sees. The endo is being physically taught these things while hooked up to some computer. "HandUnit states that the boards were use to digitally recreate performances." Yes he does, and it works for every other animatronic in the game. However, that doesn't mean that William's Agony couldn't have been part of one of those boards which then took over The Mimic program and became Glitchtrap. "Glitchtrap doesn't behave like William." That's a lie. He says his iconic catchphrase in Princess Quest. He lures you backstage in Pizza Party like he did way back when. He has a whole speech in the Security Breach trailer that sounds very much like him. Conclusion: Glitchtrap is absolutely William Afton having taken over The Mimic program.
@tonysonic “even then, you don’t have a point” Hey, I ain’t taking a side, okay? I’m just quoting what everyone else says. Don’t pin anything on me :p Also, I don’t understand your first argument. Metal and trash are solid objects, and so is hardware like motherboards and CPU chips. Software itself, on the other hand, isn’t tangible in the traditional sense; therefore, the argument would be that Afton cannot convert into binary, and would have instead used the chip as his body instead of the rabbit suit.
@@ronaldmatos1516 So the argument is that code isn't solid; therefore it can't be possessed? Golden Freddy was able to interface with an arcade machine and become the Princess. He was literally interfacing with the code within to create Princess Quest. I'm pretty sure that if Afton's Agony was baked into the code of the circuit boards he would be able to live on as Glitchtrap.
Personally I like the mimic but he doesn’t feel like main villain material and more of like a henchmen honestly they should’ve made the ceo of fazbear entertainment the main villain using these pieces of the franchise (like afton or mimic) to further his plans whatever they would be
I hate the mimic so goddamn much, thank you so much for showing me i'm not alone. I hate how, if it is (and yes at this point i would rather just have afton again thank you very much,) its such an obvious retcon from Burntrap being Afton because steelwool saw we (obviously) all hated that, but somehow the mimic is even worst, and not just because of that. Its also just a dumb concept that shouldn't be in fnaf, and makes no sense for whoever dosen't read all the pizzaplex books. Also Vanny should have been the copycat killer
She was going to be a copycat killer just not in a fangirl way because her being a fangirl of William is just plain up stupid makes more sense being brainwashed by him
1. He isn't a retcon lmfao 2. It's a pretty interesting concept when you use your brain to 100%, altho subjectivity is present here 3. What sense? anyone who doesn't have any background on the mimic would just think it's an endo that mimics things, nothing beyond that, where is the thing that doesn't make sense in that? you would be calling the glam endos non-sensical too which is goofy
@@Faris-xj3wu if you think the mimic is well written, then there’s something wrong with you it’s not an interesting concept. It’s a tired idea that Steel wool pulled out of their ass
the mimic is reuining fnaf, we already have burntrap and vanny to deal with and THE FUCKING MIMIC just screws over everyone it's like stealwool is trying to confuse us
Personally I don't think FNaF's story is too complicated. Or at least I thought that up until Security Breach. It's really not that convoluted or messy if you ignore all the people on the internet claiming it is. If you don't focus on all the tiny minutia and just look at the story at face value it's not all that complicated. Also, the "does this look like a girl's skull to you?" is a dumb counter-argument. _Skulls_ don't look overtly masculine or feminine, bud. They just look like skulls. That being said, we do agree on something; the Mimic sucks. And, I'd like to challenge you for the title of biggest Mimic hater. Springtrap/Afton is and will always be a better villain. He's the man who started it all, the most iconic threat in the franchise, even moreso than Freddy Fazbear himself, and "the Mimic" is just... some Endoskeleton (and one with an ugly and boring design on top of that). I don't care if he has a backstory; like you said, he came out of nowhere and threw out everything the franchise had been building up. And for some reason, fans are _happy_ about that? A lot of them don't even realize it, considering a ton of them pretend _Help Wanted_ and _Special Delivery_ don't exist, and act like the franchise went straight from _Pizzeria Simulator_ to _Security Breach._ Which pisses me off royally considering I _loved_ _Help Wanted's_ story. I liked where the Triple-A FNaF series was headed for those first two games, but they then destroyed the really cool story they had set up by pushing Vanny and Glitchtrap aside and instead focusing on the freaking Mimic. People loved Springtrap/Afton for like 7 years but they all seemed to turn their backs on him when Steel Wool introduced this stupid "Mimic" thing. But not me. As far as I'm concerned _Special Delivery_ was the last game, and nothing after it was canon. _Security Breach, Ruin_ and _Help Wanted 2_ derailed the franchise by replacing their beloved flagship villain with some random ugly endoskeleton (plus all of the other problems but I won't get into those, I've rambled enough). One of these days I'm going to make a video of my own dissecting every reason I despise the Mimic and _Security Breach_ and how I would fix the franchise if I could.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
I had no plans playing SB ruin, it just looked like one of those sequels that’s not really a sequel cause it had no connection to the original (Quote by Justmehabibi
Even with all of the possible good things the Mimic has going for, I always feel like its execution's a lot to be desired, if this thing WAS planned since the release of Help Wanted, idk it feels like Steel Wool missed the memo that Glitchtrap and Burntrap were supposed to be the Mimic and Scott delivered the message too little too late, even if it's a twist villain in a sense that we expected Afton but we got someone else, it fumbles the bag hard on that. In a nutshell, the Mimic makes me feel like Steel Wool's haphazardly doing as much damage control as possible after Burntrap being a walking disaster character-wise after they wasted the interesting shit they can potentially pull with Glitchtrap and Vanny.
@@dylanhudec979 Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
Which is stupid of them because it was obvious he was going to return anyways, even if security breach was finished sometimes I feel like Fnaf fans don’t use their brains well
@dylanhudec979 honestly, Steel Wool retcons so many thing because fans don't like it. And while on the topic of retcons, TF is going on with Vanny? She is built up for two games, barely appears in her debut game, is implied to still be under Glitchtrap's control, but fans didn't like Afton's return, so Glitchtrap became the Mimic1 program in the books which are already basically taken as cannon by fans now, and Vanny was freed in the Princess Quest ending, then they throw that all away in Help Wanted 2 by making her under his control again? Like, what? Am I missing something here, or are there just that many returns in the Steel Wool era?
People also think that Vanny should’ve been a fangirl of William Afton and not brainwashed by him that would be even dumber than what she already is because her being a fangirl would make her more pointless than she already is
To be fair, while fnaf hasn't visually shown gore since the beginning, it has had discussions of gore since the first game when talking about people's eyes and teeth bursting out when stuffed into the Freddie mask. And the game over screen actually shows that, but I do agree. The gore is a bit excessive in the books.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
The mimic is not a good concept. It was executed poorly because it was not planned. It’s that simple whatever proof you have it’s going to easily be debunked
Okay, so I saw a comment asking what the UA-camr would do to change the mimic so I figured I would think of how I would change the mimic. Also this change would 1. Add a bit of William to the mimic which many wouldn’t like but this is my idea 2. This would separate the books and the games from each other which I think would be better and 3. This idea would have glichtrap and burntrap be William Okay so let’s go back to the end of pizza sim. Scraptraps body is burned and not suitable for William soul anymore and Cassidy has her claws on his soul dragging him down to hell and William being William won’t let that happen so in a desperate attempt to come back latched his soul into scraptrap’s motherchip which has somehow survived all the fires. With Cassidy dragging his soul and William refusing to let go of the motherchip causes the soul to rip in two with one going to hell and one staying in the chip so now he’s stuck, worrying that if he leaves, Cassidy will try to take him down. Then a while later Fazbear entertainment searchs for any remains and find a motherchip and take it away placing it in a vr title, accidentally bring a bit of William back, creating Glitchtrap. Vanessa play tests the game and finds Glitchtrap, slowly becoming corrupted by him and develops a split personality, creating Vanny. Some point before the events of security breach, Vanessa gets a job as the security guard after Glitchtrap told Vanny to as a way to get to his old body to fix it. Now that Vanny can get into the old pizzeria, now underground, she finds Scraptrap, now mostly burnt, as well as a couple of old endoskeletons. Vanny recreates Scraptrap with whatever’s left of the original body and fills in the gaps with pieces from the extra endos. Vanny, while looking for more pieces finds an unfinished animatronic that somehow wound up down here on a table, comes up with a plan and takes the animatronic back to where she was working on William’s new old body and finds a old chip in a mess of wires and a bear mask (molten Freddy) and places it in the unfinished animatronic. A couple months later during the events of security breach, William’s new bodies are complete and Vanny places halves of William’s half a soul in the bodies and places one of them in a power station which is where Gregory finds him and the other animatronic is placed somewhere. Gregory beats Burntrap and Vanny presumably dies in the fire and the other animatronic which is the mimic is now locked away which is where Cassie finds it. However, unknown to Vanny, the mimic already had an ai inside of it so now the bit of William’s soul is stuck with the ai. The ai is benevolent so the mimic is stuck between following its ai and be kind and being controlled by William and kill people. Now this is where my idea goes into uncharted waters. The mimic escapes after the events of ruins while Cassie is trapped and get outside, and finds stuff like old mascot suits and costumes and during points where William is in control kills people and recreates the killings of William afton, thus carrying on William’s legacy. Also the chip that Vanny finds in molten is Funtime foxy’s parental voice chip.
There's a difference in not pleasing everyone and purposely withholding information about a crucial plot point, which is necessary for the audience to understand what the hell is going on.
Reddit is really toxic if somebody doesn’t like the mimic some idiots actually think it’s better written did William that’s like saying Amber is better written then Adam eve from invincible I know that has nothing to do with fnaf but it works enough
@@tonysonic456 Given, I do disagree with 90% of the video, as it was later proven that Burntrap was indeed the Mimic when dataminers explore the maps of the Ruin DLC. But I do agree that the way the "reveal" is handled very poorly. They should've just give us a Tiger Rock boss instead of Burntrap, or at least make it more obvious that Burntrap is not William Afton.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
@@Wizardjones69 Well, too bad that endo doesn't show up at all in the finished game. Heck, it honestly looks more like Molten Freddy without the Freddy head than The Mimic.
@@tonysonic456 A slideshow of Showbiz Pizza animatronic and mech photos are revealed in the Prize Counter's television screen after pressing the red button from the Exotic Butters basket, as seen in some UA-camrs' early access gameplay videos. The photos are taken by Aaron Fechter. One of the photos, labeled HiddenImage9, was used as one of many black and white screenshots contained within the source code of the first Five Nights at Freddy's VR teaser. However, Scott Cawthon removed the images from the game's final release due to the gamers and fans comparing the images to the actual Showbiz Pizza photos. All of the images can still be found in the game files, from the "Hidden Images" file folder. one of the black white teasers features a strange endo head, on the source code its called orgn a short for *origin* remember what tape girl said? Someone was definitely here during the night. It had to have been the client. I mean, they sent us that stuff in the first place with no explanation...told us to scan it, said it would expedite the process so we wouldn't need to program any pathfinding ourselves. It was a budget thing, I guess. It was just junk- circuit boards and things like that. Looked pretty old. Somehow, though, there was useable code on some of it.
@@Faris-xj3wu people who think he fix the lore really don’t know what they’re talking about it didn’t fix the lore it fixed nothing the Lord didn’t need to be fixed don’t fix something that isn’t broken
@@Faris-xj3wuWilliam comming back was still awesome as he’s pretty much the perfect villain so not only did they add a mimic which fits no where in the Fnaf universe but afton being dead and the Mimic being there always, it is so stupid and unnecessary
@@Ooga_Booga_Productions William coming back would have been nonsensical, no supernatural law would have brought him back in FNAF, besides, him coming back destroys the entire point Scott was trying to make Mimic fits nowhere in FNAF? really? but afton coming back somehow does? not really
Honestly, the mimic could have been good if they had just properly introduced it in help wanted rather than gaslighting us into thinking it was afton for 4 years straight
Like this video so Vanny can get more screentimes . Also , Tony could you talk about the poppy Playtime trilogy plus project Playtime ? And review sonic prime?
Since the tales of the pizzaplex books where being written around the time of help wanted meaning afton never returned Glitchtrap mimics tape girls voice during the game. he says can you here me which is something tape girl says as well and its the exact same voice line slowed down. Glitchtrap and the mimic also seem to be two different versions of the mimic, the mimic we found in the basement in ruin is mimic1 and glitch trap is mimic2. its also mentioned old circuit boards where scanned in but how can Willams mind be in a circuit board if he is in UCN? I know I kind of a sound like a broken record but I am saying this to people who still think Afton is alive. and Vanny it seems like Vanny is Glitchtrap's personality Glitchtrap acts somewhat like a child he waves he dances he playful asks us to follow him he waves at vanny in help wanted 2. and guess what Vanny had a scrapped animation in security breach where she waves in a similar way. vanny also seems to act childlike (perhaps mimicking David) throughout security breach so Vanny isn't some personality glitch trap made she is Glitchtrap. as for burntrap I think he's either made up in Gregorys head or is some mix mash of corpse and endoskeleton parts being controlled by the glitch trap virus and the reason vanny isn't around during that ending is because Glitchtrap is no longer using vanessa as his host but this ending doesn't seem to have been cannon based off the fact the underground area in ruin isn't blown up. while you do make valid points I think you really need to dig deeper into the newer games to realize the mimic had been here the full time at least since help wanted. also when scrap trap said I always come back he meant that in an arrogant sense (and technically speaking thanks to ucn he always does come back) you can hate the direction the series is going in but saying the mimic was never there isn't the case.
Okay. First of all, I already provided an alternative explanation for why Glitchtrap mimics Tape Girl's voice, and you don't really debunk that. Second, spirits in FNAF don't work the way we usually think thanks to the ultimate broken plot device that is Remnant and Agony. While William's soul was likely dragged to hell by Cassidy, his Remnant or Agony lingered in the circuit boards left in his body. That's why he was turned into Glitchtrap. Third, so what if Vanny acts like Glitchtrap? That's not proof that Glitchtrap is The Mimic. It just shows that Glitchtrap controls her is all. Fourth, the only book in the Tales from the Pizzaplex that came out before Security Breach was the first one, and the only "evidence" that The Mimic existed at all was in the epilogue where it revealed something below the Pizzaplex which we would already find out in Security Breach where all that was down there was Burntrap and The Blob (no, I'm not calling it The Tangle). No Mimic in sight. Even then, you can't expect your entire fanbase to have read all the Tales books in order to understand your story. Not everyone is able to, and don't you dare try to bring up watching videos about them because I already brought that up. Bottom line, The Mimic was an ass-pull, and I don't see how anyone who didn't hate Burntrap so much that they chose denial can believe that it wasn't.
why would Willam afton act like a child then? its such an odd detail they put in help wanted and security breach. the other books where also being written around that same time period also how excalty can Willams soul be in the game and be tormented by Cassidy? @@tonysonic456
how can afton be in ucn and in a vr game at the same time? you can hate mimic thats completely valid everything you say here is your opinion but I honestly think fnaf fans and steel wool and Scott all need to let the past die so the steel wool era can live @@tonysonic456 and ruin pretty much was the final nail in the coffin for Willam since he didn't appear in that dlc at all. sure you can say afton split himself in half or something but he's gone. and I strongly believe the mimic 2 aka glitch trap was always intended not to be afton. but that is my opinion not yours. also I subscribed ^^
@@griffysfnafchannel Thanks for your subscription, but I disagree with the idea that Glitchtrap was always intended to not be Afton. I mean, Security Breach’s first real trailer opened with a speech from Glitchtrap that was clearly meant to be Afton. Also, to answer your question with a question, how can Cassidy be in UCN with William and in Princess Quest? The files labeled the Princess as Cassidy; so they’re clearly there trying to stop Glitchtrap while simultaneously trying to keep William in his hellscape.
I disgree in my opinion, also it is perfectly fine with things from the books to be in the games. It helps us with the story and lore, like purple guy name
Except Purple Guy’s name was eventually revealed in the games to be Afton. His first name was in the books, sure, but we still got his name in the games in some capacity. The Mimic comes completely out of the blue if you don’t read Tales from the Pizzaplex, and expecting all the people who’ve played the games to have read the books is incredibly stupid.
@@tonysonic456 I did read it and it is perfectly fine, also the books help us (talking about fazbear frights) with knowing that Micheal (From sl) is the older brother. Also you don't need to read it, just watch or hear people reading it
@@SuperSonicbros4 Bruh, I literally addressed why watching videos on the books isn't a smart decision. Did you even watch the video? Also, minor lore details hidden in the books are fine, but when said details are about major aspects of the game's story SUCH AS THE IDENTITY OF THE MAIN VILLAIN it becomes a problem. Forcing your players to do homework to understand your story instead of just telling them everything they need to know in the game they want to play is a terrible way of telling your story. Don't tell me you genuinely believe that something like Sonic Forces and its several prequel comics are all good, right?
@@SuperSonicbros4 Then why are you insisting that putting important plot points that should be in the game into books not everyone is able to read is perfectly fine?
I agree with what you said about FNAF "Theorists," it's basically my view of "theorists" overall. In fact some others online like Nick Carlson have shown where they do this, or how they overhype things like the Mimic. I also agree with not locking info behind external media, I think the only time it's alright if it's in an Encyclopedia that clarifies some things. While I don't think you could say, "does this look like a girl's skull too you?" Cause if you think about the sentence it doesn't make sense. However, since it was crushed and if it was her's shouldn't it look you know crushed? As for the Endoskeleton, yeah I can't remember who did it, but someone did go in using models and comparing showing it didn't match up. As for Vanny she's not really a prodigy but more of a reluctant follower and or as you said "possibly possessed." Vanny while there is a good concept there it was poorly executed. Vanny also seems to have only been created to be a Harley Quinn to William similar to Book Baby, and how Game Baby's character was butchered when the book personality and motives were applied to her. As for a way for Vanessa to be control by the mimic, the microchip, same one Cassie gets. I also, wouldn't call the Mimic actions in the book "excessive gore." I do believe it works in the story, the Mimic like you said is dumb. But you overlooked the fact that the Mimic actions is twisted, misinterpreted, and unintentional as it is just trying to Mimic childish things that were corrupted in it's programming. However I do agree with the mimic not working in FNAF, but on the same level I would say Sister Location should have been it's own thing and breaks the narrative. I also don't think the Mimic should be in the games at all. However, this sci-fi route we are going down in more than likely Scott's doing. He's always really like sci-fi and doesn't like horror. I wouldn't describe the SB Reimaged video spamming gore, I think it works where it works but he should have originally given a better content warning. As for the minimalist on gore or overall violence in the franchise that's less of a smart decision and more of a moral high horse from it's creator's view of horror as a whole. Which is also probably why the franchise is getting more sanitized over time with less and less seemingly afraid of the bare minimum of what makes horror well horror. From the movie heavily watered down horror or the removal of Vanny's knife. With the recent games while they did try to bring William back, he was surrounded by non possessed sci-fi futuristic animatronics with a Harley Quinn to his next mustache twirling plan. Also, while I was original on the side of "ugh William is back," since Help Wanted btw. In retrospective I don't think that anymore. Pizza Sim's ending was all based on the possibility not a guarantee heat could do the job, even though William already got burnt up once. From there by UCN Henry's Plan was already established to have failed with the souls not at rest. So with that context William coming back makes more sense. While many have praised Pizza Sim as the perfect conclusion I think it wasn't intended to be. I do think the Mimic is overrated, it might be intended to replace William but a recent game might imply otherwise, and shouldn't be in the games. Also, Vita Carnis Mimic is far better than FNAF Mimic bleh.
The mimic probably isn’t gonna replace William I think people are overhyping this thing when it probably isn’t that special I wish steel wool just canceled their future projects and just face the fact that they can’t make everyone happy with their crappy games
@@dylanhudec979 yeah like I said a certain game seems to imply somethings that could separate the 2. Most are convinced that the Mimic is meant to go back on their mistake. Yeah the Mimic isn't really special, like many things in this franchise I think it's a cool concept, but executed poorly. Also, in the end Scott and Steel Wool don't show any sign in stopping soon.
@@Eris1987 Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
@@maas1208 I assume you are referring to voice mimicking of the Funtimes. While that is something that makes the Mimic the Mimic it's not the only thing or the overall concept. I agree it could have been an interesting concept. I think it's probably an identity problem for FNAF.
@@tonysonic456 The fact that the books have been proven to be in the games. The Mimic in the books has the exact same endo, and the endo being different in Ruin isn't evidence to debunk it. Ruin even has a purple atmosphere around The Mimic.
And the fact that Burntrap and Glitchtrap are the same, and it's literally explained to us who Glitchtrap is. It wouldn't be a ghost, as you can't possess code. The Storyteller explains the Mimic1 program is used to take old scenarios and recreate them into new scenarios for VR and AR experiences. This is Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap is all of Afton's data that was fed to the Mimic, like the Glitchtrap mascot could easily be when The Mimic saw it in Fallfest.
Oh, also that Burntrap has a claw mark in the vent that connects to The Mimic's room. It's likely that The Mimic tried to catch Gregory when he was escaping the vent when the room was getting sealed.
So do you like The Mimic? If so, why? If not, welcome to the club.
I personally think that The Mimic is a William Afton ripoff, and apparently in some ways it’s intentional on The Mimic’s part
Me no like it
I wish they'd leaned into the sort of "traumatized child" aspect of it from it's backstory, that'd be so much more interesting then whatever the character is supposed to be right now
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
I don't necessarily like the mimic, I just feel like it was just kind of there just to be there. And this is coming from a guy who seen gameplay not play the actual game since I absolutely hate the five nights at Freddy's series. All because of FNAF 4 but I could still respect the series. I mean security breach on its own kind of gave me the fact that one of the animatronics was actually on my side and actually had a good reason to try and kill you being that it couldn't help itself which I'm talking about. Glam Rock. Freddy but the mimic I'm pretty much thinking that there should have been a lot more. How can I put this? There should have been a lot more introduction and backstory to the mimic and instead of just coming out of the middle of nowhere like I don't know on the contrary kind of makes any other surprise villain look nothing short of you know better but yeah that's just me
To be brutally honest, the Mimic feels like one of those trash memes you would find on the Internet.
6:15 Was gonna say "MatPat in a nutshell" but I wasn't certain on fully committing on saying it. Plus, I haven't played Security Breach or it's Ruin DLC (or any FNAF game for that matter), so I haven't fully know my feelings on Mimic. Also, the movement doing whatever theorists do involving the books got me to laugh
Imagine if William Afton returned as Glitchtrap, a living digital entity that can now mind control his victims would've been so much more interesting and scary than what we got with GlitchMimic. It would've been a great way to show just how threatening Afton could be, controlling Vanny to kill in his place and corrupting the animatronics at the same time. And It'd made William's whole "I always come back" actually mean something. He came back, more dangerous than ever, with new abilities that make him a stronger force to be reckoned with. All that potential was thrown away when they shoved Mimic into the games, made him Glitchtrap most likely because fans hated the idea of William returning... and now we ended up with an even worse story and the wasted potential of an actual good story idea smh. There are AU's and fanfics, but man... it just isn't the same and it's a huge shame.
Afton returning would've been such a nice concept in my opinion it would solidify the threat he poses (barley has screentime) and his return would be a good parallel on his character so far everytime willaim has "succeeded" he's immediately punished
Discovers and experiments with remnant
Gets spirnglocked
Act overly smug and arrogant
Gets burned by Henry
I feel like him returning would be a slap to the face to spirit "he shouldn't have killed" the spirit (whoever they are Cassidy or Andrew)
Were overly cocky in torture of william afton reminding him of his eternal purgatory using the faces his family and himself against him and even saying he was always "destined" to fail imagine the plot twist of the spirit keeping william alive to torture him woukd be an immediate consequence (glitchtrap) for everyone?
He truly added nothing to the atrocity that is Security Breach.
The Reason why SB sucks is because Steel Wool was forced to rush the game
@@maas1208and add terrible elements and characters
@@Ooga_Booga_Productions Have you seen Scott's Interview with Dawko?
@@maas1208 yes I have, why?
@@Ooga_Booga_Productions It explain what happened behind the development of SB
So glad to have helped out with the new talk sprite set, Tony! Can't wait to see what you'll make next
Here's my take on The Mimic: definitely scared me for the first few days.. then I realized that FNAF's lore has gone so far off the deep end that nothing matters anymore, to quote a chaotic triangular geometric shape "TIME IS DEAD AND MEANING HAS NO MEANING"
Tbh Scott needs to confirm things outright since it is getting ridiculous
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As someone who likes ruins gameplay, but hate the story, this is gonna be a fun video.
This will actually release on my birthday, so not only will I get a birthday special on another channel, but I also get a rant at the same time
Happy Birthday!
@@tonysonic456thank you
You know, one thing that I also dislike about the Mimic is that it abandons the supernatural elements that made FNaF interesting.
An AI villain could work if they merged it with more supernatural elements. Having read the books myself, they try to do something like that (infusing the Mimic with agony and the endo having the ability to manipulate electricity for some reason) but it's not enough in my opinion.
Again, I feel that an AI villain could be interesting if they tried something similar to the Absolute Solver- the main villain of Murder Drones.
The Absolute Solver is initially presented as an advanced sentient AI repair program, only to spiral into Lovecraftian eldritch horror territory and I feel that if they tried something similar with the Mimic, it could make the character much more interesting.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
I am glad to have found truly cultured gentlemen and women. The mimic sucks and that’s the truth
Was a nice video. Personally, The Mimic could be alright conceptually, but it's a whole lot of nothing here. The avatar you have looks pretty good. I like it. Good luck with KH Re:Chain of Memories. You will be in for a fun ride when you get to KH2 Final Mix, but we shall see what you think of the game when we get to the game. Take care Tony.
0:16 More Chaos Emerald action!
0:27 That guy also worked on one of DS' videos (speaking of DS, check out her most recent video. Yes, I did say her).
The avatar is a calm 10/10.
After Tony shows his avatar but before the intro:
WARNING: The following video is NOT over exaggerated. Most opinions shared are indeed accurate to my thoughts and feelings. The guy is named Mimic, but he does a poor job at it.
I love how when they heard about Burntrap being stupid, they just made a character for the books and shoved him into RUIN for no reason. Then, just like every (non VR2) Security Breach thing, it got memed to death (though I do love the memes).
A: The books were being written before security breach came out
B: in FNAF AR it is shown glitchtrap is so bad at manipulation he mails chocolates with a death threat to Vanessa because a random guy said that's what would get him to comply. Which is comically unlike William.
C: In Help Wanted Glitchtrap is constantly mimicking Tape Girl's voice.
D: William has never used a fully fabric costume, the springbonnie suit is his thing.
E: Dozens of othe things that are very unlike william that have been explained in incredibly long threads.
Scott always intended for it to be The Mimic, Steel Wool thought William Afton was back. Because it sure is interesting that RUIN and The Books were very much entirely directed by Scott while with SB he was more hands off on.
@@VermillionRed so incorrect they are not the same 🤦🏼
@@dylanhudec979 that's what im saying
It's been a few months, but I just noticed the arguments for The Mimic being Glitchtrap. Did you watch the video to see their points against the evidence?
@@yonderjam I literally watched the video yes and honestly I wish they just canceled their future projects because I don’t like where Fnaf is going anymore
I did not ay Secutrity Breach
Like... What is the Mimic? An AI that, in my mind, stole Vanny's Spot, I Like Vanny a lot, i hope she gets more recognition
Im so glad and proud that you explained so much in one video about why you hate one character thing! It really was worth of experience from you.
Trying to put lore from the books in the games canon was the worst mistake the franchise has done and if security breach didn't went through a lot of crap in it's development maybe we wouldn't be in the situation that were in
Seriously steel wool should've stuck to there initial guns of William be the villain again and just accept the initial backlash and moved on
Not to mention the whole mimic is glitchtrap and burntrap thing is all just pure insane troll logic
The Mimic drives me nuts, mainly bc he further damages Vanny. If I made a video on this sort of topic, I would speak in a very angry tone.
Not only did they show vanny for only 5 seconds of the game, They added the mimic…it’s just so stupid man
I feel kinda robbed… I’ve read most of the books and thought we would seen things like the Afton amalgamation or Elenor in security breach but no we got burntrap/the mimic out of nowhere
Edit: thank you Tony for literally saying what I’m thinking. Like Scott we get that we needed a new villain after pizza sim. But you could have done better than a rogue intelligence system. That’s literally why you invented vanny but then you tossed her aside to make way for Afton and mimic neither of which should have made it into the game to begin with. In all seriousness I feel like Scott wasted everyone’s time including his own by not giving vanny more of the spotlight, all that build up for literally 3 chase scenes 2 of you don’t do the vanny ending… what I’m saying is that vanny is a bunch of wasted potential
You do realize William was going to come back anyways right he was in help wanted as glitchtrap and we hear him talking in the security breach trailer What made you think he wasn’t going to come back?
@@dylanhudec979 that fact that he was setting vanny up to be the villain for security breach but was reduced to a side character with no real purpose
@@strikertoney043 that’s because steel wool is lazy anyways no matter what they do with the mimic it isn’t going to age well or do well I saw a theory called FNAF is doomed basically the mimic taking over the world….. I hope that’s not true I am so tired of the mimic this isn’t FNAF This feels like terminator but with Furrys.
@@dylanhudec979 Amen
12:22 to clarify what people mean on this point: in the tales epilogues, the mimic's endo is described near perfectly with Burntrap's endo, having rabbit ears, a blackened skeleton, both hands being claws, among other things.
Well, it's too bad literally none of that translated to Ruin.
@@tonysonic456 If it's not too much trouble, I'd like an Everything Wrong With Charriii5's EWW Super Paper Mario video.
@@tonysonic456 mimic can also shapeshift
@@SuperSeasonChannel2003 It's a metal endoskeleton. How could it possibly shapeshift?
@@tonysonic456 pistons maybe? The books have it turn into an 8 legged spider and at a separate point, disguise perfectly into a human body.
I totally agree with you and I also hate the concept of Mimic because it's very unoriginal. Mimics are a thing which is being abused in every story where they're introduced. It's like the concept of Skinwalkers. They are used so much that they are just boring and a cheap excuse for a story at this point.
And the thing is, people (for some reason) keep trying to force the Tales characters into the game story and also keep on insisting that Mimic is Glitchtrap/William. Well, I have made my own points on all of that and also I think I solved the whole story arc of Ruin and HW 2.
It's all just one big revenge story plotted by Glitchtrap. Ruin and HW 2 are all about Cassie and her father (who is very possibly Jeremy from HW 1 and even the Bonnie Mask Bully from FNAF 4). I found evidence for why Glitchtrap is also the Entity from Ruin and all the evidence that I've found has led me to believe that the whole thing with Cassie and her father/Jeremy going down the Pizzaplex was all planned beforehand by Glitchtrap.
I'm very glad that you're with me on this. :D If you would like to discuss it with me, you can just add me on Discord: xxmonster_girlxx
Honestly I prefer William Afton being glitchtrap than the mimic being glitchtrap
@@dylanhudec979 And also it makes so much more sense from a story POV, what with all the info we've gathered from HW 2.
@@xM0nst3Rx The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released.
@@maas1208 yeah Funtime Freddy and maybe possibly Funtime Foxy are both mimics. Baby too, maybe but we don't have her blueprint, so. And even before that. Trilogy CharlieBots are all Mimics.
I like your Avatar. And this is the first time i have ever heard anyone saying that William is the Mimic. I haven’t heard anything like that until today. But i will be honest Fnaf will never make any sense to me. I need to play some of the older ones eventually. Because my first fnaf game was Security Breach. Not the best one to start with.
I have found my people
Welcome. We’re happy to have you here.
Same
I hate the mimic too
We already had a copy killer in vanny and to her be replaced is really frustrating and saddening
I do disagree about burntrap undoing fnaf 6, 1 fnaf 6 has a bad ending, 2 frights already did it and steelwool were only doing what they did cus they had to follow the lore that qas being set up (I know Scott said the books were to the past but some of the stories like the slithering in the walls of the golden Freddy springlock story, and the cliffs are direct to fnaf sb)
Copycat killers never work because they’re just a dumb idea
@@dylanhudec979Well that works in scream 1996 somewhat however the current story is just so uhh basically btw Stu Macher is played by Matthew in past yet Stu Macher looks like Movie William Afton but teenager version which is cool
@@thatonewilliamafton well that’s a different franchise
@@dylanhudec979 Yeah Those only work in 1-3/4 of Scream movie
@@dylanhudec979 Yeah Those only work in 1-3/4 of Scream movie
Here's my opinion on The Mimic:
On one hand, it's a very interestingly "new" villain in the series and a breath of fresh air on the whole "William Afton comes back" trope.
On the other hand, it's inclusion into the game is so out of nowhere and such an asspull that the only way to know the character fully is to literally do a "Sonic Forces read prequel story" move in order to just fucking find out about it (also the fact that The Mimic being a FNAF book character before its inclusion into the main base game completely further complicates and destroys the entire canonicity of the FNAF series as a whole. LIKE, DO THE GAME'S AND BOOK'S STORY CANON CORRELATE OR DO THEY NOT!? I'M SO GENERALLY CONFUSED AS FUCK RIGHT NOW CUZ NOW I'M THINKING THAT A LITERAL ROBOT DISGUISED AS A HUMAN BEING COULD POTENTIALLY EXIST IN THE MAIN TIMELINE OF THE GAME!!! JUST WTF!)
On an unrelated note though, pretty good video overall and a really cool-looking avatar.
We’ll Looks like nobody wanted mimic and the only people who hated William Afton coming back where the people who were too salty and obsessed with the FNAF 6 ending
Bro forgot that Ennard exists and ruin was basically a remake of the sister location story entirely
@@moondrop3855 Yeah, looking at it now, Ruin really is a remake of Sister Location entirely.
Ugh, same here. I mean, I do like the mimic, *but as a seperate character* People sort of WORSHIP him right now. Theres so much evidence supporting that Glitchtrap and Burntrap ARENT mimic, I could dive way deep into why he's not, but Mimic has been throwing around the lore since last year and I'm really really upset about it. The mimic being glitchtrap thing is sort of dying out now which i'm quite pleased about, but its still a thing. Wouldn't it be much easier if we have the same villain till the end of fnaf? I mean he started it, why can't he finish it? Anyways there was my ramble
What there's like no evidence to say they aren't Mimic.
@@firewings9954 there is
The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
@@maas1208 legit no one cares
@@dylanhudec979 Some do
The thing is that they could have just kept Afton as the villain or fucking plan The Mimic from HW…
It’s not a big deal since we all already had what was Afton back at the time in Glitchtrap…
They must fix The Mimic now or it’ll be a disgrace! I really like it and I hope it’s not fucked up.
I hate the Mimic as well in fact I’ve never played a FNAF game before
Ok...
This has to be the best video about trying to explain why Mimic is just a whole chaos and why I don't believe all what they say about him.
Look, I dont have a problem about that there is a new villain in FNAF as long they don't forget William, the main one. Vanny's role if it wasn't wasted + this endo that I also hate would had been amazing, a brainwashed girl following the Killer's steps to become just like him and keeping his legacy alive and then BOOM!!! Whole new character. Vanny's character is very wasted in Security Breach sadly and now hearing those theories that Mimic is Glitch and Burntrap makes her be just like a prop in the story.
Sorry if I didn't explained very well.
Later I will possibly edit this
Honestly I don't mind the mimic but I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
The mimic really needs something unique to him or else I might as well just ignore his arc.
It’s Too little too late for that
@@dylanhudec979 not for me really
@@huntercrindson3927 well it’s true you can’t do that you can’t bring back a character a third time and change the villain that was literally the whole point of Vanny a new antagonist for fnaf while William is still pulling the strings and according to the trailer his resurrection from glitchtrap to burntrap was going to be 10 times scarier and better than what we got in security breach
I'm a mimic fan, I'm okay with the external media, why you may ask? well it's because I don't care about the external media problem. okay let me rephrase that I don't really focus on the problems that "having your stories explained through external media problem" yeah it's objectively a problem but for me I don't focus on that instead I focus on what this external media gives us & see if I like it or not & most of the time it does leave me happy & satisfied. could this mean that I have a problem "Probably" but hey I don't care I'm just gonna enjoy my mimic and read some Kirby light novels
EDIT: so I think a way to fix the mimic would be by giving it it's own game, l-let me explain! you see ever since the "into the pit game" got announced/leaked it has open so many doors of opportunities for these stories to become actual full fleshed out games and I think compiling the mimics stories from "tales from the pizzaplex" could help get people to finally learn about the mimic without having them go out of there way to buy books to understand them and i think this could help establish mimic as a antagonist better for one it could establish more of a character for the mimic, two it could establish mimics abilities better and three it could help explain M.X.E.S. and how the Mimic ended up behind that concrete wall. overall I think a mimic game could help the mimic by a lot. sorry for poor grammer
@@maas1208 perfectly valid to have that opinion and as much as i love my mimic boy I admit I could've been introduced much better
That’s all fine and dandy, but the fact of the matter is that hiding important details in a book that people might not know about is an objectively bad move. All the important information should be in the game you created. Otherwise, you end up with many confused gamers.
20:37 for some reason you sound like Squidward getting angry ☠️
All jokes aside I agree with you Even though it's FNAF lore after all
Also I want to see you ranking Sonic transformation that would be a good idea :>
Hey Tony, what did you think of the reveal of Sonic 3, and hey, we got a bit of a remix of live and learn and Also, I love the Archie Tony at the end.
The reveal looks awesome. Can’t wait for the movie.
the problem with the fnaf community nowadays is that they accept everything even if it's horrible and you can't even say your opinion because "no, that's good and if you don't like it you're not a fan of fnaf" which is not It makes no sense because if I like something I'll say what's bad so that thing can improve what's bad, but no, FNAF is fine with a story that's more confusing than before, not to mention that for you to understand it you need to buy it. 30 books different books which is also another problem in fnaf since scott cawthon continues with the same book thing over and over again, and he could do something more creative like poppy playtime with the args on the websites and stuff, and you know, it's sad see where fnaf is going because it's becoming a big thing that doesn't make sense, it's not scary anymore even though it's a horror game for example, I really hope that scott and steel wool realize what's wrong with fnaf and They improve this, but I honestly think they don't and FNAF will just become a game that everyone will forget, unfortunately...
(sorry for the huge text, I just wanted to vent about what I think about fnaf nowadays and sorry for the writing, I used Google translate because I'm from Brazil😅)
Fnaf lore from fnaf1 to ultimate custom night was the peak of the story the rest is just crap
Standards are not a thing anymore unfortunately.
Are you agree with some of your points in the video
Especially if fnaf lore it's a whole another big rabbit hole
Hey Tony you should ask naayle if you can borrow mephiles and infinite that way you can send the mimic to null spaces and have mephiles clones beat it up
Nah, Tony will deal with the Mimic his own way
Finally i find people like a me because The fan is the reason why everyone hates the mimic and honestly I hate it before even fnaf dlc came out because the mimic character is something very different from fnaf fandom and mimic doesn't have personality his endoskeleton try to mimicpeople + he come from nowhere nobody know him even the game never mentioned him if someone doesn't read the books yet will never know what the fuck is the mimic and people don't like to read the books because they feel that do homework or more like job just for understand game lore and same people they don't have money to buy book so what because character his name is the mimic came from book and to be honest, I want to punch the creature of the mimic ( I doesn't mean Scott because I love Scott )
because he make the lore become very bad but it doesn't change the fact that fnaf still alive so we have to wait to see what's happening next.. and this my opinion
The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released.
@@maas1208do you even have evidence to even support that?
I don't care about FNAF theories anymore the story was interesting when the second game released but then after Help Wanted things started going completely off the rails and the whole fanbase get's toxic when you believe in a different theory
I can imagine many of the manic lovers raging over an opinion it's almost like you can't have an opinion
But you can!
In my opinion FNAF could have ended whenever Scott wanted to end it and more importantly FNAF never need a complex lore and I think Pizzaria simulator would have been the perfect ending but *NO*
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
You mean the Meme-ic
ha ha ha...
(that one was terible)
Nice
Well I'll be dammed, you got an avatar. Crazy how that happened after my question. Though ngl, i thought it'd have a henley shirt since i see you wear those alot.
Nah, I wanted a white hoodie more.
@@tonysonic456 just like in Outlaw Tony and Italian Tony's debut?
@@jamilzayas5808 Yep.
For the record, I’m pretty neutral about the Mimic/Afton debate, but here’s a few more Glitchmimic points I found that people have discussed:
•There is no logical way that Afton could have become Glitchtrap due to how remnant and agony works (since emotions and feelings can only possess a tangible host, he wouldn’t have been turned into code, but instead would’ve possessed the hardware chips that the code resides in due to the boards being digitally scanned)
•The chips shown in Help Wanted 2 have been create to help with pathfinding, something the Mimic is known for doing in mimicking people
•HandUnit states that the company’s boards were used to “digitally recreate performances and personalities”, which is exactly how the Mimic is described in the books
•”Glitchtrap generally does not behave like Afton”
•Conclusion: Glitchtrap cannot be William Afton
"Remnant and Agony cannot possess code" You sure about that? Everybody says that, but they never explain why. Hell, in the books, William's Agony possesses a bunch of different metal objects and forms the Afton Amalgamation, a 15 foot tall monstrosity made out of random bits of metal and trash.
"The chips in Help Wanted 2 create help with pathfinding." I'm going to assume you mean the Endo Warehouse minigame, and even then, you don't have a point. That minigame is an endo being plugged in and taught random things it needs to know. It's not like The Mimic where it copies what it sees. The endo is being physically taught these things while hooked up to some computer.
"HandUnit states that the boards were use to digitally recreate performances." Yes he does, and it works for every other animatronic in the game. However, that doesn't mean that William's Agony couldn't have been part of one of those boards which then took over The Mimic program and became Glitchtrap.
"Glitchtrap doesn't behave like William." That's a lie. He says his iconic catchphrase in Princess Quest. He lures you backstage in Pizza Party like he did way back when. He has a whole speech in the Security Breach trailer that sounds very much like him.
Conclusion: Glitchtrap is absolutely William Afton having taken over The Mimic program.
@tonysonic “even then, you don’t have a point” Hey, I ain’t taking a side, okay? I’m just quoting what everyone else says. Don’t pin anything on me :p
Also, I don’t understand your first argument. Metal and trash are solid objects, and so is hardware like motherboards and CPU chips. Software itself, on the other hand, isn’t tangible in the traditional sense; therefore, the argument would be that Afton cannot convert into binary, and would have instead used the chip as his body instead of the rabbit suit.
@@ronaldmatos1516 So the argument is that code isn't solid; therefore it can't be possessed? Golden Freddy was able to interface with an arcade machine and become the Princess. He was literally interfacing with the code within to create Princess Quest. I'm pretty sure that if Afton's Agony was baked into the code of the circuit boards he would be able to live on as Glitchtrap.
Personally I like the mimic but he doesn’t feel like main villain material and more of like a henchmen honestly they should’ve made the ceo of fazbear entertainment the main villain using these pieces of the franchise (like afton or mimic) to further his plans whatever they would be
I hate the mimic so goddamn much, thank you so much for showing me i'm not alone. I hate how, if it is (and yes at this point i would rather just have afton again thank you very much,) its such an obvious retcon from Burntrap being Afton because steelwool saw we (obviously) all hated that, but somehow the mimic is even worst, and not just because of that. Its also just a dumb concept that shouldn't be in fnaf, and makes no sense for whoever dosen't read all the pizzaplex books.
Also Vanny should have been the copycat killer
She was going to be a copycat killer just not in a fangirl way because her being a fangirl of William is just plain up stupid makes more sense being brainwashed by him
1. He isn't a retcon lmfao
2. It's a pretty interesting concept when you use your brain to 100%, altho subjectivity is present here
3. What sense? anyone who doesn't have any background on the mimic would just think it's an endo that mimics things, nothing beyond that, where is the thing that doesn't make sense in that? you would be calling the glam endos non-sensical too which is goofy
@@Faris-xj3wu why do y’all have to defend bad villains?
@@dylanhudec979 Trying to objectify your surface-level view on a character on me is crazy
@@Faris-xj3wu if you think the mimic is well written, then there’s something wrong with you it’s not an interesting concept. It’s a tired idea that Steel wool pulled out of their ass
the mimic is reuining fnaf, we already have burntrap and vanny to deal with and THE FUCKING MIMIC just screws over everyone it's like stealwool is trying to confuse us
Personally I don't think FNaF's story is too complicated. Or at least I thought that up until Security Breach. It's really not that convoluted or messy if you ignore all the people on the internet claiming it is. If you don't focus on all the tiny minutia and just look at the story at face value it's not all that complicated.
Also, the "does this look like a girl's skull to you?" is a dumb counter-argument. _Skulls_ don't look overtly masculine or feminine, bud. They just look like skulls.
That being said, we do agree on something; the Mimic sucks. And, I'd like to challenge you for the title of biggest Mimic hater.
Springtrap/Afton is and will always be a better villain. He's the man who started it all, the most iconic threat in the franchise, even moreso than Freddy Fazbear himself, and "the Mimic" is just... some Endoskeleton (and one with an ugly and boring design on top of that). I don't care if he has a backstory; like you said, he came out of nowhere and threw out everything the franchise had been building up. And for some reason, fans are _happy_ about that?
A lot of them don't even realize it, considering a ton of them pretend _Help Wanted_ and _Special Delivery_ don't exist, and act like the franchise went straight from _Pizzeria Simulator_ to _Security Breach._ Which pisses me off royally considering I _loved_ _Help Wanted's_ story. I liked where the Triple-A FNaF series was headed for those first two games, but they then destroyed the really cool story they had set up by pushing Vanny and Glitchtrap aside and instead focusing on the freaking Mimic.
People loved Springtrap/Afton for like 7 years but they all seemed to turn their backs on him when Steel Wool introduced this stupid "Mimic" thing. But not me. As far as I'm concerned _Special Delivery_ was the last game, and nothing after it was canon.
_Security Breach, Ruin_ and _Help Wanted 2_ derailed the franchise by replacing their beloved flagship villain with some random ugly endoskeleton (plus all of the other problems but I won't get into those, I've rambled enough).
One of these days I'm going to make a video of my own dissecting every reason I despise the Mimic and _Security Breach_ and how I would fix the franchise if I could.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
For curiosity’s sake: How would you personally fix the Mimic? (or would you think it can’t be fixed and throw it in a dumpster fire)
I had no plans playing SB ruin, it just looked like one of those sequels that’s not really a sequel cause it had no connection to the original
(Quote by Justmehabibi
Even with all of the possible good things the Mimic has going for, I always feel like its execution's a lot to be desired, if this thing WAS planned since the release of Help Wanted, idk it feels like Steel Wool missed the memo that Glitchtrap and Burntrap were supposed to be the Mimic and Scott delivered the message too little too late, even if it's a twist villain in a sense that we expected Afton but we got someone else, it fumbles the bag hard on that. In a nutshell, the Mimic makes me feel like Steel Wool's haphazardly doing as much damage control as possible after Burntrap being a walking disaster character-wise after they wasted the interesting shit they can potentially pull with Glitchtrap and Vanny.
Let’s not forget that many of its fans would literally force you to like it when the mimic isn’t even that deep of a villain
@@dylanhudec979 Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
The Mimic is cool in concept, but I do agree that it was kinda shoehorned in because the fans didn't like the return of Afton.
Which is stupid of them because it was obvious he was going to return anyways, even if security breach was finished sometimes I feel like Fnaf fans don’t use their brains well
@dylanhudec979 honestly, Steel Wool retcons so many thing because fans don't like it. And while on the topic of retcons, TF is going on with Vanny? She is built up for two games, barely appears in her debut game, is implied to still be under Glitchtrap's control, but fans didn't like Afton's return, so Glitchtrap became the Mimic1 program in the books which are already basically taken as cannon by fans now, and Vanny was freed in the Princess Quest ending, then they throw that all away in Help Wanted 2 by making her under his control again? Like, what? Am I missing something here, or are there just that many returns in the Steel Wool era?
Poppy Playtimes villain, the prototype can also mimic voices. I think I’m starting to notice a pattern here
At least the prototype was actually planned from the start and actually has potential
@@dylanhudec979 my G, the mimic is planned, moreso than the prototype, and has more potential in comparison
@@Faris-xj3wu you really think woke villains are considered good when they’re just bad retcon
@@dylanhudec979 are you on some bias or what? gave you many reasons he isn't a retcon and you refuted none
Woke? lmao
@@Faris-xj3wu the mimic is not a good billing those who think it is our gaslighting themselves
People also think that Vanny should’ve been a fangirl of William Afton and not brainwashed by him that would be even dumber than what she already is because her being a fangirl would make her more pointless than she already is
12:26 this is true too lol
12:53 so is this
and this 13:14
20:37 keep the fleetway thing. :)
5:08
5:34
Exactly, NO ONE else has talked about this
0:22 Whoa, that looks cool!
To be fair, while fnaf hasn't visually shown gore since the beginning, it has had discussions of gore since the first game when talking about people's eyes and teeth bursting out when stuffed into the Freddie mask. And the game over screen actually shows that, but I do agree. The gore is a bit excessive in the books.
Most of the Gore in the mimic book just feels like shock vile
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
The mimic is not a good concept. It was executed poorly because it was not planned. It’s that simple whatever proof you have it’s going to easily be debunked
It’s a good concept but it completely destroys the original Fnaf lore
@@Ooga_Booga_Productions Just watch Dawko's Interview with Scott
@@dylanhudec979 Have you seen Dawko's Interview with Scott? It's clearly not the case
@@maas1208 I already had once it came out, why?
Nice avatar dude❤
Mimic suck all the time jumpscares scared me to crap😒
I just have to say it the reveal of the Mimic was so cool
Okay, so I saw a comment asking what the UA-camr would do to change the mimic so I figured I would think of how I would change the mimic. Also this change would 1. Add a bit of William to the mimic which many wouldn’t like but this is my idea 2. This would separate the books and the games from each other which I think would be better and 3. This idea would have glichtrap and burntrap be William
Okay so let’s go back to the end of pizza sim. Scraptraps body is burned and not suitable for William soul anymore and Cassidy has her claws on his soul dragging him down to hell and William being William won’t let that happen so in a desperate attempt to come back latched his soul into scraptrap’s motherchip which has somehow survived all the fires. With Cassidy dragging his soul and William refusing to let go of the motherchip causes the soul to rip in two with one going to hell and one staying in the chip so now he’s stuck, worrying that if he leaves, Cassidy will try to take him down. Then a while later Fazbear entertainment searchs for any remains and find a motherchip and take it away placing it in a vr title, accidentally bring a bit of William back, creating Glitchtrap. Vanessa play tests the game and finds Glitchtrap, slowly becoming corrupted by him and develops a split personality, creating Vanny. Some point before the events of security breach, Vanessa gets a job as the security guard after Glitchtrap told Vanny to as a way to get to his old body to fix it. Now that Vanny can get into the old pizzeria, now underground, she finds Scraptrap, now mostly burnt, as well as a couple of old endoskeletons. Vanny recreates Scraptrap with whatever’s left of the original body and fills in the gaps with pieces from the extra endos. Vanny, while looking for more pieces finds an unfinished animatronic that somehow wound up down here on a table, comes up with a plan and takes the animatronic back to where she was working on William’s new old body and finds a old chip in a mess of wires and a bear mask (molten Freddy) and places it in the unfinished animatronic. A couple months later during the events of security breach, William’s new bodies are complete and Vanny places halves of William’s half a soul in the bodies and places one of them in a power station which is where Gregory finds him and the other animatronic is placed somewhere. Gregory beats Burntrap and Vanny presumably dies in the fire and the other animatronic which is the mimic is now locked away which is where Cassie finds it. However, unknown to Vanny, the mimic already had an ai inside of it so now the bit of William’s soul is stuck with the ai. The ai is benevolent so the mimic is stuck between following its ai and be kind and being controlled by William and kill people. Now this is where my idea goes into uncharted waters. The mimic escapes after the events of ruins while Cassie is trapped and get outside, and finds stuff like old mascot suits and costumes and during points where William is in control kills people and recreates the killings of William afton, thus carrying on William’s legacy.
Also the chip that Vanny finds in molten is Funtime foxy’s parental voice chip.
Scott actually said that not everything he makes will not plead everyone.
There's a difference in not pleasing everyone and purposely withholding information about a crucial plot point, which is necessary for the audience to understand what the hell is going on.
But he did not make the mimic
17:07 what’s this from?
Have you seen Dawko's Interview with Scott?
@@maas1208 Which one?
@@tonysonic456 The Recent One, where he explains on what happened to SB behind the scenes
@@maas1208 That one? Yes.
I like the new avatar
Reddit is really toxic if somebody doesn’t like the mimic some idiots actually think it’s better written did William that’s like saying Amber is better written then Adam eve from invincible I know that has nothing to do with fnaf but it works enough
6:32 ALSO GREGBOT
I need to know how the TonySonic avatar swaps between normal and Super so easily.
Oh, that was what you were talking about
Based.
To me, it feels like the writers are treating the lore like they're dangling keys in front of fans's faces.
Me too. They’ll provide teases of lore, but they’ll never give us a substantial amount.
@@tonysonic456 Given, I do disagree with 90% of the video, as it was later proven that Burntrap was indeed the Mimic when dataminers explore the maps of the Ruin DLC.
But I do agree that the way the "reveal" is handled very poorly. They should've just give us a Tiger Rock boss instead of Burntrap, or at least make it more obvious that Burntrap is not William Afton.
@@A.B.-ub9un If I may, can you perhaps give me a video of dataminers exploring the Ruin maps? Cause I want to see this "proof" myself.
@@tonysonic456 ua-cam.com/video/SRnobaklMdM/v-deo.html
@@A.B.-ub9un this is obviously going to be easily debunked
I like the idea of the mimic, just don’t get rid of the main villain
Question: why is the sonic eww videos “DISOWNED”
It feels like they are trying way to hard to be just like outlast
You know what your right Fu*k the mimic (by the way do that mean the mimic is your second hated villain aside from imperator ix )
Probably, yeah.
You should do a top 10 worst villain video
@@infinitemaster85 Maybe someday.
Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
@@tonysonic456any reason why Imperator Ix is your hated villain?
Hot take but I actually liked afton coming back but I'm contempt with the mimic
Hey Tony what do you think of the Idea of a crossover with sonic and transformers
That could be cool if done right.
theres a hw teaser called "orgn" from a endoskeleton head
huhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
A ton of people have said that to me, yet none of them can show me where to find it. I'm willing to bet you can't either.
@@tonysonic456any fnaf wiki, hw teasers section
@@Wizardjones69 Well, too bad that endo doesn't show up at all in the finished game. Heck, it honestly looks more like Molten Freddy without the Freddy head than The Mimic.
@@tonysonic456 its a stock image from a endo on showbiz pizza
@@tonysonic456 A slideshow of Showbiz Pizza animatronic and mech photos are revealed in the Prize Counter's television screen after pressing the red button from the Exotic Butters basket, as seen in some UA-camrs' early access gameplay videos. The photos are taken by Aaron Fechter. One of the photos, labeled HiddenImage9, was used as one of many black and white screenshots contained within the source code of the first Five Nights at Freddy's VR teaser. However, Scott Cawthon removed the images from the game's final release due to the gamers and fans comparing the images to the actual Showbiz Pizza photos. All of the images can still be found in the game files, from the "Hidden Images" file folder.
one of the black white teasers features a strange endo head, on the source code its called orgn
a short for *origin*
remember what tape girl said?
Someone was definitely here during the night. It had to have been the client. I mean, they sent us that stuff in the first place with no explanation...told us to scan it, said it would expedite the process so we wouldn't need to program any pathfinding ourselves. It was a budget thing, I guess. It was just junk- circuit boards and things like that. Looked pretty old. Somehow, though, there was useable code on some of it.
The mimic was the worst part of ruin because it took the lore and THREW IT IN A BLENDER AND PUT IT ON FOR 5 HOURS
What lore? being gaslighted onto thinking that malhare and burntrap are afton is lore to you? he fixed the lore, lol
@@Faris-xj3wu people who think he fix the lore really don’t know what they’re talking about it didn’t fix the lore it fixed nothing the Lord didn’t need to be fixed don’t fix something that isn’t broken
@@dylanhudec979 William coming back broke everything established, and barely made any sense, the mimic fixed from where he caused problems
@@Faris-xj3wuWilliam comming back was still awesome as he’s pretty much the perfect villain so not only did they add a mimic which fits no where in the Fnaf universe but afton being dead and the Mimic being there always, it is so stupid and unnecessary
@@Ooga_Booga_Productions William coming back would have been nonsensical, no supernatural law would have brought him back in FNAF, besides, him coming back destroys the entire point Scott was trying to make
Mimic fits nowhere in FNAF? really? but afton coming back somehow does?
not really
Honestly, the mimic could have been good if they had just properly introduced it in help wanted rather than gaslighting us into thinking it was afton for 4 years straight
Yeah, at least then it would've been straightforward. How else are we supposed to take this purple glitchy bunny man saying "I always come back"?
20:36why does he sound like Fleetway Super Sonic here?
Isn’t it obvious?
Like this video so Vanny can get more screentimes .
Also , Tony could you talk about the poppy Playtime trilogy plus project Playtime ?
And review sonic prime?
I’ll talk about Poppy Playtime when the full game is out on consoles. Maybe Project Playtime too, but Sonic Prime might be a bit.
@@tonysonic456 be a bit what ?
@@Nabnab_TheTwistedOne Be a bit of time. As in you won’t see it for a while.
@@tonysonic456 ok thanks
Hay is it fine if i make a video on your’s
You mean like a response video?
@@tonysonic456 yeah kinda
@@Prestonthefox Why? Do you feel like my video is bad?
So like how i agree with your statement not disagreeing im agreeing i just wanna get my opinion out there
@@Prestonthefox Well, okay. If you feel like you need to.
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Since the tales of the pizzaplex books where being written around the time of help wanted meaning afton never returned
Glitchtrap mimics tape girls voice during the game. he says can you here me which is something tape girl says as well and its the exact same voice line slowed down. Glitchtrap and the mimic also seem to be two different versions of the mimic, the mimic we found in the basement in ruin is mimic1 and glitch trap is mimic2. its also mentioned old circuit boards where scanned in but how can Willams mind be in a circuit board if he is in UCN? I know I kind of a sound like a broken record but I am saying this to people who still think Afton is alive.
and Vanny it seems like Vanny is Glitchtrap's personality Glitchtrap acts somewhat like a child he waves he dances he playful asks us to follow him he waves at vanny in help wanted 2.
and guess what Vanny had a scrapped animation in security breach where she waves in a similar way. vanny also seems to act childlike (perhaps mimicking David) throughout security breach so Vanny isn't some personality glitch trap made she is Glitchtrap. as for burntrap I think he's either made up in Gregorys head or is some mix mash of corpse and endoskeleton parts being controlled by the glitch trap virus and the reason vanny isn't around during that ending is because Glitchtrap is no longer using vanessa as his host but this ending doesn't seem to have been cannon based off the fact the underground area in ruin isn't blown up. while you do make valid points I think you really need to dig deeper into the newer games to realize the mimic had been here the full time at least since help wanted. also when scrap trap said I always come back he meant that in an arrogant sense (and technically speaking thanks to ucn he always does come back)
you can hate the direction the series is going in but saying the mimic was never there isn't the case.
Okay. First of all, I already provided an alternative explanation for why Glitchtrap mimics Tape Girl's voice, and you don't really debunk that.
Second, spirits in FNAF don't work the way we usually think thanks to the ultimate broken plot device that is Remnant and Agony. While William's soul was likely dragged to hell by Cassidy, his Remnant or Agony lingered in the circuit boards left in his body. That's why he was turned into Glitchtrap.
Third, so what if Vanny acts like Glitchtrap? That's not proof that Glitchtrap is The Mimic. It just shows that Glitchtrap controls her is all.
Fourth, the only book in the Tales from the Pizzaplex that came out before Security Breach was the first one, and the only "evidence" that The Mimic existed at all was in the epilogue where it revealed something below the Pizzaplex which we would already find out in Security Breach where all that was down there was Burntrap and The Blob (no, I'm not calling it The Tangle). No Mimic in sight. Even then, you can't expect your entire fanbase to have read all the Tales books in order to understand your story. Not everyone is able to, and don't you dare try to bring up watching videos about them because I already brought that up.
Bottom line, The Mimic was an ass-pull, and I don't see how anyone who didn't hate Burntrap so much that they chose denial can believe that it wasn't.
why would Willam afton act like a child then? its such an odd detail they put in help wanted and security breach. the other books where also being written around that same time period also how excalty can Willams soul be in the game and be tormented by Cassidy? @@tonysonic456
how can afton be in ucn and in a vr game at the same time?
you can hate mimic thats completely valid everything you say here is your opinion but I honestly think fnaf fans and steel wool and Scott all need to let the past die so the steel wool era can live @@tonysonic456 and ruin pretty much was the final nail in the coffin for Willam since he didn't appear in that dlc at all.
sure you can say afton split himself in half or something but he's gone. and I strongly believe the mimic 2 aka glitch trap was always intended not to be afton.
but that is my opinion not yours. also I subscribed ^^
@@griffysfnafchannel Thanks for your subscription, but I disagree with the idea that Glitchtrap was always intended to not be Afton. I mean, Security Breach’s first real trailer opened with a speech from Glitchtrap that was clearly meant to be Afton.
Also, to answer your question with a question, how can Cassidy be in UCN with William and in Princess Quest? The files labeled the Princess as Cassidy; so they’re clearly there trying to stop Glitchtrap while simultaneously trying to keep William in his hellscape.
good point.@@tonysonic456
I disgree in my opinion, also it is perfectly fine with things from the books to be in the games. It helps us with the story and lore, like purple guy name
Except Purple Guy’s name was eventually revealed in the games to be Afton. His first name was in the books, sure, but we still got his name in the games in some capacity. The Mimic comes completely out of the blue if you don’t read Tales from the Pizzaplex, and expecting all the people who’ve played the games to have read the books is incredibly stupid.
@@tonysonic456 I did read it and it is perfectly fine, also the books help us (talking about fazbear frights) with knowing that Micheal (From sl) is the older brother. Also you don't need to read it, just watch or hear people reading it
@@SuperSonicbros4 Bruh, I literally addressed why watching videos on the books isn't a smart decision. Did you even watch the video?
Also, minor lore details hidden in the books are fine, but when said details are about major aspects of the game's story SUCH AS THE IDENTITY OF THE MAIN VILLAIN it becomes a problem. Forcing your players to do homework to understand your story instead of just telling them everything they need to know in the game they want to play is a terrible way of telling your story. Don't tell me you genuinely believe that something like Sonic Forces and its several prequel comics are all good, right?
@@tonysonic456 I very much disagree in my opinion, I don't think Sonic forces is good but the prequel seems to be fine to me
@@SuperSonicbros4 Then why are you insisting that putting important plot points that should be in the game into books not everyone is able to read is perfectly fine?
Do you like SSF2 ?
What's SSF 2?
@@tonysonic456Super smash flash 2
A bit unrelated, but maybe you can improve on the avatar a bit by making it less stretched
What do you mean “less stretched”?
@@tonysonic456 I mean less wider
I agree with what you said about FNAF "Theorists," it's basically my view of "theorists" overall. In fact some others online like Nick Carlson have shown where they do this, or how they overhype things like the Mimic.
I also agree with not locking info behind external media, I think the only time it's alright if it's in an Encyclopedia that clarifies some things.
While I don't think you could say, "does this look like a girl's skull too you?" Cause if you think about the sentence it doesn't make sense. However, since it was crushed and if it was her's shouldn't it look you know crushed?
As for the Endoskeleton, yeah I can't remember who did it, but someone did go in using models and comparing showing it didn't match up.
As for Vanny she's not really a prodigy but more of a reluctant follower and or as you said "possibly possessed." Vanny while there is a good concept there it was poorly executed. Vanny also seems to have only been created to be a Harley Quinn to William similar to Book Baby, and how Game Baby's character was butchered when the book personality and motives were applied to her.
As for a way for Vanessa to be control by the mimic, the microchip, same one Cassie gets.
I also, wouldn't call the Mimic actions in the book "excessive gore." I do believe it works in the story, the Mimic like you said is dumb. But you overlooked the fact that the Mimic actions is twisted, misinterpreted, and unintentional as it is just trying to Mimic childish things that were corrupted in it's programming.
However I do agree with the mimic not working in FNAF, but on the same level I would say Sister Location should have been it's own thing and breaks the narrative. I also don't think the Mimic should be in the games at all. However, this sci-fi route we are going down in more than likely Scott's doing. He's always really like sci-fi and doesn't like horror.
I wouldn't describe the SB Reimaged video spamming gore, I think it works where it works but he should have originally given a better content warning.
As for the minimalist on gore or overall violence in the franchise that's less of a smart decision and more of a moral high horse from it's creator's view of horror as a whole.
Which is also probably why the franchise is getting more sanitized over time with less and less seemingly afraid of the bare minimum of what makes horror well horror.
From the movie heavily watered down horror or the removal of Vanny's knife.
With the recent games while they did try to bring William back, he was surrounded by non possessed sci-fi futuristic animatronics with a Harley Quinn to his next mustache twirling plan.
Also, while I was original on the side of "ugh William is back," since Help Wanted btw. In retrospective I don't think that anymore.
Pizza Sim's ending was all based on the possibility not a guarantee heat could do the job, even though William already got burnt up once. From there by UCN Henry's Plan was already established to have failed with the souls not at rest. So with that context William coming back makes more sense.
While many have praised Pizza Sim as the perfect conclusion I think it wasn't intended to be.
I do think the Mimic is overrated, it might be intended to replace William but a recent game might imply otherwise, and shouldn't be in the games. Also, Vita Carnis Mimic is far better than FNAF Mimic bleh.
The mimic probably isn’t gonna replace William I think people are overhyping this thing when it probably isn’t that special I wish steel wool just canceled their future projects and just face the fact that they can’t make everyone happy with their crappy games
@@dylanhudec979 yeah like I said a certain game seems to imply somethings that could separate the 2. Most are convinced that the Mimic is meant to go back on their mistake. Yeah the Mimic isn't really special, like many things in this franchise I think it's a cool concept, but executed poorly. Also, in the end Scott and Steel Wool don't show any sign in stopping soon.
@@Eris1987 Honestly I think The Mimic is great as a concept but it was executed poorly, they could've done better job at Introducing The Mimic plus I think The Mimic was Inspired by the Simon AI from Popgoes, also The Mimic technically has been a thing in the FNAF Series since Sister Location which was released way back in 2016 which is also the Year the Original Popgoes was released, so that's my thoughts and opinions on The Mimic.
@@maas1208 I assume you are referring to voice mimicking of the Funtimes. While that is something that makes the Mimic the Mimic it's not the only thing or the overall concept.
I agree it could have been an interesting concept.
I think it's probably an identity problem for FNAF.
It's kinda confirmed in the books that Burntrap is The Mimic.
Wrong. Name one piece of evidence that wasn’t mentioned and torn down in this video.
@@tonysonic456 The fact that the books have been proven to be in the games. The Mimic in the books has the exact same endo, and the endo being different in Ruin isn't evidence to debunk it. Ruin even has a purple atmosphere around The Mimic.
And the fact that Burntrap and Glitchtrap are the same, and it's literally explained to us who Glitchtrap is. It wouldn't be a ghost, as you can't possess code. The Storyteller explains the Mimic1 program is used to take old scenarios and recreate them into new scenarios for VR and AR experiences. This is Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap is all of Afton's data that was fed to the Mimic, like the Glitchtrap mascot could easily be when The Mimic saw it in Fallfest.
Oh, also that Burntrap has a claw mark in the vent that connects to The Mimic's room. It's likely that The Mimic tried to catch Gregory when he was escaping the vent when the room was getting sealed.
So it's confirmed that Glitchtrap is the Mimic1 program.
The creator of dragon ball z left.
He didn’t leave. He died.
No filter?... is okay.
Definitely don't agree
Hey Tony please be honest with me but it is wrong for me to say that fnaf security breach is a garbage game
Not really. I might disagree, but you can have your own opinion.
@@tonysonic456I didn’t really like Security breach because it felt kinda rushed, Vanny and Burntrap were barely shown lol
I have a Theory that FNAF does not have lore at all just hints towards non-existent lore for theorists to piece together a story that doesn't exist
I wouldn't blame you for thinking that way.
@@tonysonic456 Tbh Popgoes Lore is better
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“ I tickle my pick to The mimic”
Ah stan
@@Ooga_Booga_Productions secretofthemimic ratio