it’s such a joy to watch Rachel play. as a person, she’s so down to earth, funny, chill. as a player she’s so smart, calculated, efficient. do more episodes with rachel weeks pleaseeee😭
It's amazing how different and creative Rachel's decks always are, and they still are a menace nonetheless! She truly is an institution in deckbuilding😊
@46:20 Vanquisher's Banner will only trigger once because the island was already in play and therefore wont get the ability to choose a creature type. The copy is an artifact that does nothing essentially. Ashlen should only have drawn one card. Ruling as listed from The Myriad Pools: "Because the target permanent isn't entering the battlefield when it becomes a copy of a permanent spell, any "When [this permanent] enters the battlefield" or "[This permanent] enters the battlefield with" abilities of the copied spell won't apply for the target permanent."
First episode of Extra Turn that I've seen and I had no idea how impressive the editing was. It was a really great match to watch but that editing *really* helps to follow it!
i was surprised to see how crazy the board was by turn 2-3. multiple draw engines, rachel is casting spells for free, beezy is chillin with his hands in his pockets
@@sunflowertheogTheir house mulligan rule is basically to do it until you have card draw you can play in the first few turns. You see it most of their games.
I haven't seen this episode yet, but I had to stop and make this comment. Tocasia was my first commander. I built her from scratch, and slowly turned her into a powerhouse the more I learned what I was doing. I've -never- seen anyone else play her...and it made me so happy to see her. She's my favourite commander.
ASHLEN on Pirates is why I made my first EDH Admiral Beckett Brass! I remember taking it to Magic fest in 2019 and being like the only pirate guy there!
My sister bought that Tom Cochrane album on cassette back in the day, and she listened to it until she hated it (it took a LONG time)! I think she used a Bic pen to rewind the tape. We were deeply weird, but my whole family had a lowkey obsession with music. Great guests, and I like the idea of having regular homebrew games, maybe make that it's own thing so it doesn't encroach on Extra Turns? Not that I mind it here, I just think it's got enough legs of it's own, and it might as well got for a walk.
Damn I was hoping for Mia and really did want to see a card like that win but rule of thumb in MTG for myself anyway is never underestimate a Rat deck especially if it be from a black deck 😂
Once you go over a saga's maximum lore counters (as dictated by their highest chapter number) they go. But this only applies to sagas. I don't think it would work as the Saga became a land and therefore lore counters didn't affect it
Spoilers 🛡️ I thought it was a good call that Rachel took Beezy out first. Even without the combat power, he had the scariest potential to take over the game. Mia had a scary start but her janky wincon probably made her set up look scarier than what it was setting up towards. Good game!
I'm new to MTG could someone clarify the interaction at 30:24 for me please? How comes treachery doesn't count as targeting the argothian enchantress? I thought aura spells or enchant spells are required to target something?
Totally fair question. Auras only target if they are on the stack (being cast). However, if an aura is just “put into play,” they never technically target anything and can therefore attach to permanents they wouldn’t normally be able to attach to.
I think its because aura cards only target when cast, so when it comes back from grave, it does not target and you can choose a creature to enchant. Its a bit of a weird situation. Would love if someone had the specific ruling!
Aura *spells* on the stack target. An aura that's being put onto the battlefield without being cast does not target, you just choose something legal to attach it to. Treachery is being put onto the battlefield without being cast, so they just choose a legal creature to attach it to (and since it's not targeting, they can choose to attach it to something with shroud).
While your question has already been answered, it is worth mentioning that this workaround does not avoid Protection from the aura. Those still remain illegal options to enchant.
@@snakeman830 I believe you’re both right and wrong. The aura should attach, but then state-based effects would check and see the enchanted permanent has protection and make the aura fall off. So if you had something that drew cards whenever an enchantment entered the battlefield, that would still trigger.
Am I mistaken but shouldn’t the saga “One Ring to Rule Them All” supposed to be destroyed when it became a forest from the enchantment? I know that “Urza’s Saga” is destroyed when a “Spreading Seas” is enchanted on it.
The key difference is that Spreading Seas makes Urza's Saga lose its chapter abilities, but it's still a Saga (and thus one that has lore counters equal to or greater than its highest chapter, which becomes 0.) Song of the Dryads removes all _card_ types, so One Ring is no longer a Saga at all.
There's a slight difference in wording that is huge (because of the rules behind those words). I'm noting the relevant rules from the Comprehensive Rules in brackets if you want to look them up. Song of the Dryads says "Enchanted permanent is a colorless Forest land". Spreading Seas says "Enchanted land is an Island". The big difference in question here is the word "land" (after "is" - there's no difference between "enchanted permanent" and "enchanted land"). That means that the permanent becomes a land, and thus it loses all other types [205.1a], such as creature or enchantment, because it doesn't say "in addition to its other types" [205.1b]. So the Saga is _just_ a land, and since it loses its enchantment type, it loses all subtypes associated to it [205.1a again], in this case Saga. On the other hand, Spreading Seas only turns the land into an Island. This is granting it a basic land type, which makes it lose all land subtypes and all abilities [305.7]. However, this doesn't remove any other types or nonland subtypes, so the permanent is still an enchantment and a Saga. There's a state-based action that causes Sagas to be sacrificed when the number of lore counters they have is greater than or equal to their final chapter number [714.4, 704.5s], as long as there isn't a chapter ability for that Saga still on the stack (or about to be put on the stack). But the final chapter number for the Saga is determined by its chapter abilities [714.2d], and, since the Saga has lost all abilities, its final chapter number is zero. As the Saga-turned-Island will always have zero or more lore counters (because this is true of all objects in the game), it is sacrificed for this reason - note that it's key to this rule that the permanent is still a Saga.
So does that mean if someone were to flash out Spreading Seas on a creature land after it's been activated, it would be a Basic Land - Island Elemental until end of turn, in which case it would return to just being a Basic Land - Island?
Spreading Seas only affects the land type in regards to types/subtypes. Song of the dryads enchants a permanent so in rules it removes all types and subtypes. Urza's saga dies cause it is still a saga under spreading seas but would not be a saga under song
It's not a saga though. Song of the Dryads makes it only into a Land - Forest. Since it's no longer an enchantment, it loses the Saga subtype. Blood Moon/Urza's Saga is different, because while Blood Moon makes Urza's Saga into a Mountain, the land is still an enchantment, and it still has its enchantment subtypes (changing land subtypes won't affect its enchantment subtypes).
It's not a saga though. Song of the Dryads makes it only into a Land - Forest. Since it's no longer an enchantment, it loses the Saga subtype. Blood Moon/Urza's Saga is different, because while Blood Moon makes Urza's Saga into a Mountain, the land is still an enchantment, and it still has its enchantment subtypes (changing land subtypes won't affect its enchantment subtypes).
Aura spells on the stack target. An aura that's being put onto the battlefield without being cast does not target, you just choose something legal to attach it to. So you can use the Mythmaker's ability to attach Treachery to a creature with shroud.
An aura targets when you cast it and it will enchant the permanent you targeted while casting when it enters after being cast. But if it enters the battlefield without being cast it just attached itself to a permanent of your choosing. Yes that's is a weird rules interaction but that's the way it works.
An aura targets when you cast it and it will enchant the permanent you targeted while casting when it enters after being cast. But if it enters the battlefield without being cast it just attached itself to a permanent of your choosing. Yes that's is a weird rules interaction but that's the way it works.
There’s also other cards that can “slide” enchantments onto other creatures like Arden so yeah it’s just finding ways around not being able to target the angel and put auras on that way
it’s such a joy to watch Rachel play. as a person, she’s so down to earth, funny, chill.
as a player she’s so smart, calculated, efficient.
do more episodes with rachel weeks pleaseeee😭
She's the kind of person you just want to be around. She can speak intelligently on any subject it seems and is THE best voice for mtg around imo
This game was SPICY 🌶️🌶️🌶️ 🔥 thanks for having us!
Really wanted that door to resolve so they could have done a cool animation too! Next time....!
"more... MORE... MOREEE"
Cannot believe how tall beezy is
NitpickingNerds are SPICY🌶🌶🌶
Dibs
Its poetic that Ashlen is playing a pirate deck on international talk like a pirate day!
I believe she also debut on this show with a Pirate deck
And she debuted with the original admiral brass on the ixalan game knights
I would LOVE to see Maldhound and Magic the Noa in one of these
Magic the Noah would be awesome
Absolutely Noah would be dope
Mald frequently plays on decked out, so you can check him there.
It's amazing how different and creative Rachel's decks always are, and they still are a menace nonetheless! She truly is an institution in deckbuilding😊
@46:20 Vanquisher's Banner will only trigger once because the island was already in play and therefore wont get the ability to choose a creature type. The copy is an artifact that does nothing essentially. Ashlen should only have drawn one card.
Ruling as listed from The Myriad Pools: "Because the target permanent isn't entering the battlefield when it becomes a copy of a permanent spell, any "When [this permanent] enters the battlefield" or "[This permanent] enters the battlefield with" abilities of the copied spell won't apply for the target permanent."
I love the Nickpicking Nerds, I watched their videos alot.
First episode of Extra Turn that I've seen and I had no idea how impressive the editing was. It was a really great match to watch but that editing *really* helps to follow it!
"Spiked Nashi" sounds like a festive drink
8:58 Rhystic Study, Rhystic Buddy, and Rhystic Fishy all on turn 3 or earlier: that’s when you know the game’s gonna take awhile…
It’s Fishstick Study
i was surprised to see how crazy the board was by turn 2-3. multiple draw engines, rachel is casting spells for free, beezy is chillin with his hands in his pockets
Is it Fishstick Study or Mystic Study?
That was how I knew to stop watching 😅
@@sunflowertheogTheir house mulligan rule is basically to do it until you have card draw you can play in the first few turns. You see it most of their games.
The humor in this one was the absolute best lol. And all my favorite people were on at once, amazing!
Fitting how ashlyn plays becket brass on "talk like a pirate" day
🎉zzj
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Huzzah! More Extra Turns! Love this series.
OH MY GOD. It’s my two crushes. Beezy and Beezy
Game aside, I really don't get Card Kingdom. Their prices are super inflated compared to what you can get at TCGplayer.
I dont get why anyone buys cards lol when proxying extremely high quality cards exist.
You know it’s a good day when the command zone uploads a video
I love to see a Regeneration effect have an impact in the game!
I haven't seen this episode yet, but I had to stop and make this comment. Tocasia was my first commander. I built her from scratch, and slowly turned her into a powerhouse the more I learned what I was doing. I've -never- seen anyone else play her...and it made me so happy to see her. She's my favourite commander.
This was a really fun, interesting game with good-hearted nerds. Loved it!
Beckett Brass Unsinkable is my favorite commander!! Criminally underrated
Finally someone did one of my favorite decks Ramos😁
The removal package wasn’t where I expected
27:11 "Raaacheel!" *canned laughter*
ASHLEN on Pirates is why I made my first EDH Admiral Beckett Brass! I remember taking it to Magic fest in 2019 and being like the only pirate guy there!
My sister bought that Tom Cochrane album on cassette back in the day, and she listened to it until she hated it (it took a LONG time)! I think she used a Bic pen to rewind the tape. We were deeply weird, but my whole family had a lowkey obsession with music.
Great guests, and I like the idea of having regular homebrew games, maybe make that it's own thing so it doesn't encroach on Extra Turns? Not that I mind it here, I just think it's got enough legs of it's own, and it might as well got for a walk.
Thank you nitpicking nerds for keeping me company on my morning drive to work
I also had a Ramos + Door to Nothingness deck. Had multiple ways to copy the activated trigger to try and win all at once.
13:27 "Dice and Rings and an Aura under my Saga" sounds like it could be a tavern
That "Oh yarr" was funnier than it had any right to be, as was "Yeah, you have a monkey reprieve." Very fun game!
Can't believe Ashlen predicted the Spongebob Secret Lair.
Great cast ! Great decks !
They are amongst the best guests
This was such a great game! Great group ☺️
Ashlen is by far my favorite player
I LOVE the Earl of Squirrel shirt!
That Nashi deck is awesome im super interested in making Nashi
That protection racket is pretty good 🔥
Loved that game. Super awesome!
Yes! Pirates are back! argh! I can already hear Jimmy famous pirate voice even though he is not in this episode 😂
Always a good episode when Ashlen or the nerds are on, but both?!? Hot damn! Can't wait to see how it plays out
Admiral Brass represent! One of my favorites, shes so much fun.
Awesome game, love the brews!!
Having mystic remora and esper on board is nuts
Amazing tech Beezy, quite an unique deck!
Rachel ate. When she pulled that Ashiok, and if it would have stayed enough time in the battlefield, it would have easily taken one player out.
Ashlen hitting them with an "oh yarr" and getting hardly any laughs from it is heartbreaking lol
kinda sad that we didnt get to see the door in action, but it was a great game anyways! :)
Ahhh I wish I could play it too
Protection Racket is so underrated
Love to see Ashleen again!!!!!
Love those unique Decks (: I hope I can see Mia door someone on a future gameplay or beezy getting unkillable with his angel :D
I forget how impressive Beckett Brass the Unsinkable is
That door to nothingness really took her nowhere.
Been waiting for this one, hype!
Mia was MIA all game! What happened?!
Looks like a jank deck. She drew tons of cards in the early game, had nothing to show for it. Ramos is an insane card, did nothing here.
Door to nothingness? More like deck to nothing
@@skykur Bad match-up, for sure. Mia and Beezy were both playing bad jank decks.
This was such a fun episode to watch! Hope y'all liked the pirate deck >:)
Whatever you’re paying Rachel, go ahead and double it.
I wonder how much she would be paying if she actually listened to this comment every video lmfao probably several millions
Awesome game, awesome guests. I was really hoping to see a door to nothingness victory.
Really cool brews 🔥🔥❤️🔥
Love the content keep it up!!!!
Damn I was hoping for Mia and really did want to see a card like that win but rule of thumb in MTG for myself anyway is never underestimate a Rat deck especially if it be from a black deck 😂
Mia begging for Rachel to deal with the Gift of Immortality when she has an answer in her own hand
Rachel is crazy good
been waiting for this one
Sweet game 🫶🏼
It's good to see Ashlen doing well, considering she definitely took a Grievous Wound in the newest set.
I’m always so conflicted with protection racket! (That is wether to run it or not)
Wait... Extra Turns is out before Duskmourn Game Knights?
Game Knights is likely on a release schedule for when Duskmourn is actually released and not for pre release
@@TheFoxlover93 wasn't expecting the change
What a fantastic pod! Really enjoyed this one 🤎
"♪♪♪ Life is a resource and I'm gonna spend it all game long♪♪♪"
38:58 why not using the Myriad Pools to cast boots? Wouldn't it have produced another pair?
I'm so pumped for this
Disappointed that we didn't see either of the Nerds' secret commanders really.
For a self mill deck, Ashlen sure does get frustrated when she mills cards
The guys are having a tour around the gameplay shows playing the same decks 😂
Shouldn't the one ring card have been destroyed as a state based action for having more counters than chapters when turned into a land?
It loses any any card types and subtypes it had. So it's no longer a saga.
Once you go over a saga's maximum lore counters (as dictated by their highest chapter number) they go. But this only applies to sagas. I don't think it would work as the Saga became a land and therefore lore counters didn't affect it
beezys facepalm when rhystic study comes down at 8:52 hahahah. what an explosive start for rachel, + massive card draw for the other two
Spoilers 🛡️
I thought it was a good call that Rachel took Beezy out first. Even without the combat power, he had the scariest potential to take over the game. Mia had a scary start but her janky wincon probably made her set up look scarier than what it was setting up towards. Good game!
Omfg reachel and Ashlyn this is ducking fantastic and of course the nerds are always a good time ❤
Hey guys? There's an unfortunate audio glitch in Ashlyn's go phrase
I'm new to MTG could someone clarify the interaction at 30:24 for me please? How comes treachery doesn't count as targeting the argothian enchantress? I thought aura spells or enchant spells are required to target something?
Totally fair question. Auras only target if they are on the stack (being cast). However, if an aura is just “put into play,” they never technically target anything and can therefore attach to permanents they wouldn’t normally be able to attach to.
I think its because aura cards only target when cast, so when it comes back from grave, it does not target and you can choose a creature to enchant. Its a bit of a weird situation. Would love if someone had the specific ruling!
Aura *spells* on the stack target. An aura that's being put onto the battlefield without being cast does not target, you just choose something legal to attach it to. Treachery is being put onto the battlefield without being cast, so they just choose a legal creature to attach it to (and since it's not targeting, they can choose to attach it to something with shroud).
While your question has already been answered, it is worth mentioning that this workaround does not avoid Protection from the aura. Those still remain illegal options to enchant.
@@snakeman830 I believe you’re both right and wrong. The aura should attach, but then state-based effects would check and see the enchanted permanent has protection and make the aura fall off. So if you had something that drew cards whenever an enchantment entered the battlefield, that would still trigger.
anybody know why i cant find the upgrade decklistfor spirit squadron on their archkidekt profile?? any help would be appreciated!!
Am I mistaken but shouldn’t the saga “One Ring to Rule Them All” supposed to be destroyed when it became a forest from the enchantment? I know that “Urza’s Saga” is destroyed when a “Spreading Seas” is enchanted on it.
The key difference is that Spreading Seas makes Urza's Saga lose its chapter abilities, but it's still a Saga (and thus one that has lore counters equal to or greater than its highest chapter, which becomes 0.) Song of the Dryads removes all _card_ types, so One Ring is no longer a Saga at all.
There's a slight difference in wording that is huge (because of the rules behind those words). I'm noting the relevant rules from the Comprehensive Rules in brackets if you want to look them up.
Song of the Dryads says "Enchanted permanent is a colorless Forest land".
Spreading Seas says "Enchanted land is an Island".
The big difference in question here is the word "land" (after "is" - there's no difference between "enchanted permanent" and "enchanted land"). That means that the permanent becomes a land, and thus it loses all other types [205.1a], such as creature or enchantment, because it doesn't say "in addition to its other types" [205.1b]. So the Saga is _just_ a land, and since it loses its enchantment type, it loses all subtypes associated to it [205.1a again], in this case Saga.
On the other hand, Spreading Seas only turns the land into an Island. This is granting it a basic land type, which makes it lose all land subtypes and all abilities [305.7]. However, this doesn't remove any other types or nonland subtypes, so the permanent is still an enchantment and a Saga. There's a state-based action that causes Sagas to be sacrificed when the number of lore counters they have is greater than or equal to their final chapter number [714.4, 704.5s], as long as there isn't a chapter ability for that Saga still on the stack (or about to be put on the stack). But the final chapter number for the Saga is determined by its chapter abilities [714.2d], and, since the Saga has lost all abilities, its final chapter number is zero. As the Saga-turned-Island will always have zero or more lore counters (because this is true of all objects in the game), it is sacrificed for this reason - note that it's key to this rule that the permanent is still a Saga.
So does that mean if someone were to flash out Spreading Seas on a creature land after it's been activated, it would be a Basic Land - Island Elemental until end of turn, in which case it would return to just being a Basic Land - Island?
@@joshrivet4011 That's exactly how it works!
EDIT: keep in mind, though, that Spreading Seas doesn't make the land basic (if it wasn't basic already).
Spreading Seas only affects the land type in regards to types/subtypes. Song of the dryads enchants a permanent so in rules it removes all types and subtypes. Urza's saga dies cause it is still a saga under spreading seas but would not be a saga under song
i though it you enchant a sage, it complete all the sage and gets destroyed. So it no longer a forest.
It's not a saga though. Song of the Dryads makes it only into a Land - Forest. Since it's no longer an enchantment, it loses the Saga subtype.
Blood Moon/Urza's Saga is different, because while Blood Moon makes Urza's Saga into a Mountain, the land is still an enchantment, and it still has its enchantment subtypes (changing land subtypes won't affect its enchantment subtypes).
Anyone knows the name of the original version of the music Rachel sings right before the game starts?
'Life is a Highway' by Rascal Flats
@@JustinNovack Thank you so much! this music lives in my head since i was a kid, but i gave up finding it years ago lol
City of Brass and Admiral Brass on the board at the same time, and you let that go without a joke?!?!? For shame! *keeps watching*
How can I find Mia's playmat? So cool!
Hold on a second... doesn't The One Ring to Rule Them All just immediately get sacrificed like Urza's Saga under similar effects?
It's not a saga though. Song of the Dryads makes it only into a Land - Forest. Since it's no longer an enchantment, it loses the Saga subtype.
Blood Moon/Urza's Saga is different, because while Blood Moon makes Urza's Saga into a Mountain, the land is still an enchantment, and it still has its enchantment subtypes (changing land subtypes won't affect its enchantment subtypes).
Last time i was this early, grave titan was still the strongest card in magic!
30:36 I think enchantress can’t be target because of shroud? Or I was wrong
Aura spells on the stack target. An aura that's being put onto the battlefield without being cast does not target, you just choose something legal to attach it to. So you can use the Mythmaker's ability to attach Treachery to a creature with shroud.
Doesn't aura enchantments target so technically you can't equip or enchant a creature with shroud?
An aura targets when you cast it and it will enchant the permanent you targeted while casting when it enters after being cast. But if it enters the battlefield without being cast it just attached itself to a permanent of your choosing.
Yes that's is a weird rules interaction but that's the way it works.
seems like there wasnt enough mill in the pirates
Dose the one ring to rule them all behave like when urza’s saga becomes a land and finishes all its chapters and dies since it’s a forest?
Can we get Magic the Noah in Extra Turns or Game Knights?:)
i noticed that ashlen did not reshuffle after she cracked her terramorphic expanse? are they just not doing reshuffles?
They always edit out the shuffling in their games to keep the game moving.
i wonder if your doing a duskmourn episode?
Can we please have these four on again?
I have been waiting 🎉
When Beezy adds mana at 39:55 he have only 5 green devotion, does he not?
Yeah easy to miss but he also controls the song of the dryad that's enchanting Rachel's the one ring.
Empyrial archangel has shroud tho, cant you not target it with enchantments??
An aura targets when you cast it and it will enchant the permanent you targeted while casting when it enters after being cast. But if it enters the battlefield without being cast it just attached itself to a permanent of your choosing.
Yes that's is a weird rules interaction but that's the way it works.
@@helderboymh fair enough. Thanks
There’s also other cards that can “slide” enchantments onto other creatures like Arden so yeah it’s just finding ways around not being able to target the angel and put auras on that way