Your words may predict your future mental health | Mariano Sigman
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Can the way you speak and write today predict your future mental state, even the onset of psychosis? In this fascinating talk, neuroscientist Mariano Sigman reflects on ancient Greece and the origins of introspection to investigate how our words hint at our inner lives and details a word-mapping algorithm that could predict the development of schizophrenia. "We may be seeing in the future a very different form of mental health," Sigman says, "based on objective, quantitative and automated analysis of the words we write, of the words we say."
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When it comes to medical research talks, TED should also share the links of the studies associated
I agree, should be true of science in general for all media. FYI.
Automated analysis of free speech predicts psychosis onset in high-risk youths
doi.org/10.1038/npjschz.2015.30
A quantitative philology of introspection
doi.org/10.3389/fnint.2012.00080
@@MightyDrunken Thanks!
Yeah, I wanna use that algorithm. I need it so badly
This one is easy. It has always been within me. YOU CAN DEVELOP IT BY JUST PAYING ATTENTION! PAY ATTENTION TO PEOPLE.. JUST NEVER STOP OBSREVING.. AND THE WORDS THEY SAY WILL MAKE YOU DISCOVER EASILY WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OFF, WHAT ACCIDENTS THEY ARE MORE INCLINED TO SUFFER, IT IS VERY NATURAL LEARNING. (WATCH THE NEW JOSEPH-GORDON LEVITT TED TALK, HE DISCOVERED THAT PAYING ATTENTION IS THE ORIGIN OF HAPPINESS IN OUR MINDS.)
These talks aren’t necessarily an adjudication process of proving a theory to the audience .... regardless, if you’re interested in perusing this subject deeper/further, perhaps look up Mariano’s research at your local university or civic library? (If not otherwise available online, if you’re able. )
Considering he’s a Neuroscientist, I’m sure you’ll find something one way or another.
the fact that they mapped the rise of introspection in ancient literature is mind blowing.
Where did you get that? They specifically said they weren't looking at the mention of introspection, but rather the quantitative markers for it in the analysis of thought by referencing the "space of words".
Let's hope their claims are supported by better evidence than the graph which is shown in the talk, which only shows 13 books. Maybe if all the books from that period were analysed there wouldn't be such a trend. So one can only assume the data has been cherry picked until a more comprehensive analysis is provided.
They should have tried it in India - where it would have been off the charts the whole time.
Seriously. Such important work 🙏
This is a concept most people grasp without even realizing it and is at the very basis of human empathy. Some people in particular are able to excel at it, for example many diagnosed sociopaths describe being able to read and manipulate people's emotions with tactics similar to this.
What is that called? Where can I read about that ability in sociopaths?
I believe it's called covert emotional manipulation or something along those lines, there are tons of books and articles about it.
+MrHimypeeps Kay, thank you :)
To my understanding, psychopaths and sociopaths operate outside of empathy, in the sense that they can recognize it, but are very limited in their ability to actually _feel_ it.
snap peas hm interesting, please go on?
Thank you! Thank you! I read Julian Jaynes' "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" 40 years ago, and it changed my life. Essentially, it freed me from religious belief. Since then, I've tried to find either definitive support or refutation of Jaynes' assertions. Today I happened upon this wonderful talk, which not only supports his work but moves on to open the possibilities of diagnosing mental illness including perhaps, some forms of dementia which is a key focus of my work life. Thank you again, for the illumination!
This is very similar to the whole, "You are what you eat" saying. You are what you say you are.
I don't see that kind of connection.
"How lovely it is that there are words and tones: are words and tones not rainbows and seeming-bridges between what is eternally separated?" - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
In one video touched on evolution of consciousness as well as on psychologycal health issues. Well done
Speaking this well, about such a complicated field of research, and in another language is just incredible. Learned a lot, thank you!
Reminds me of the story Psychopass where all humans got a wristband to monitor their mental state and is observed constantly by it. Not to say it wouldn't be nice to be able to help people who dont show it, but still also opens the Path to more control over people if really possible and used wrong
I'd like the source code. TED could do well by linking to people's research
I agree. I've seen so many talks that are very far-fetched lately.
already tried to look at the footnotes at ted.com?
HHmm... I'm just guessing here.. but it looks like the algorithm is based on affinity propagation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_propagation
I think this is it: www.nltk.org/
Not always the research done is open source, keep that in mind.
Cross between Jimmy Fallon and Mark Ruffalo
This comment is very underrated LAMO
my God..i'm thinking the same
I can’t unsee it 😂😂😂
With a little of How I met your mother guy thrown in there...
😂😂😂😂yesss
This is the most impressive breakthrough i have seen in quite a while
Makes me think of what people do now with their positive affirmations
"Big brother is watching".
Was kind of sounding like that's the future of looking after peoples mental health ^^
I agree, comrade.
All algorithms have edge cases, no one algorithms is ever 100% correct.
Obviously humans would be worse at judging, but when processes are automated people tend to judge more indifferent or detached.
The fault still lies with humans, but the means create the gains - and people tend to loose perspective in automated processes.
Tremendous. How easy it will be in the future for us to write off any writing which uses metaphor as the prelude to schizophrenia
I have an exam essay due in 3 hours that requires us to analyze this video. and write a 4-page essay. I have watched this over 8 times and I fall asleep every time.
I do understand the importance of this new introspection of the human mind to eventually foresee future mental health of individuals. The use of hand picked context specific ideas, chronologically flows with your accented speech, to solidify further this merging innovation in the field of psychology and mathematics. I truly relish the prospectS....... However, my heart pounds with screams of fear and echos endlessly that probing the contructs of how we think and learning the structure of individual algorithm of how we speak is well entwined with our Emotions & Moods.Thus, this is a necessary reminder of the upcoming dilemma on our hands. Good Luck for your future endeavours.
I would love to see what Palo said in his Tweets. Or some examples of the written speech of people on the studies and have him break it down for us. That would have been so interesting to see.
This is so fascinating and absolutely scary when thinking about the possible developments of this algorithm ... especially if we consider where control and privacy are moving towards
Fascinating... I can see several possible applications for this kind of technology (certainly we need to balance individual liberty for some of these applications):
- Algorithm in detecting mentally ill people via the their Facebook, Twitter ... posts or writings in order to identify high-risk patients of the society or even as a possible background check criteria for gun ownership.
- Algorithm to discern how advanced a culture or nation is via the amount of culture words correlated to introspection.
- Algorithm to detect cult like Internet activities or publication that are deemed to be radical.
- others?
It makes me think of the whole
deal about consciousness in Westworld.
The showrunners did their research
(spoilery)
The androids need a voice, that is not their own, telling them what to do at first. The show says it is the way to 'bootstrap consciousness.'
With time, the voice of their Creator becomes their own inner voice.
The parallels are quite neat.
Dude this insight is incredible! Further proves the idea of how our words and thoughts make a HUGE difference.
Absence of vs awareness through Introspection is absolutely what draws the line between of a lack of/being ruled by Schizophrenia.
Could you rephrase this? Is being aware through introspection a risk for developing schizophrenia?
I'm very much in favour of science. However, I have great concern regarding the use of these results by big business. There is a test, which can accurately tell you if you'll develop cancer withing ten years (I don't know if it's still under development or not). But what are the implications of knowing you'll develop cancer or schizophrenia etc and your Life Insurance, work place health benefits etc? I fear, this will soon become the newest battlefield in discriminating against people for things like jobs, health care, insurance, whether you get to have children etc.
I study to pharmacisy. It take me good direction for deeper study. Thanks
The impact that this research can have on identifying and creating preventive measures for mental illness is amazing!
not to mention that the vast other applications, like mapping the code for AI emotional intelligence, is insane.. all from the power of a few words strung together and consistently used... that's epic on levels I can't even begin to describe!!!
and for the haters... cool things are cool, even if they kill us. #justsayin
"Semantic coherence". Yes. Yes. 10:10But what were the results? Which group was schizophrenic???
I wish the whole talk went more in depth. It was more of an "intro" or trailer than a full exploration of the concepts and results. But I guess some TED talks are just that way. Would likely be well over an hour to scrape a good surface area on the subject.
That's how i frequently feel when watching TED talks, especially this one. This one was extremely interesting, but i had wished had the time to go in depth about his findings and explain more as to how they came to there conclusions.
John Karavitis how do we find out more about this: I'm lost in the sense that I don't know what it is that I should be researching to find out more.
This is really interesting but I'm not sure that it's not really just showing the evolution of language rather than philosophical ideas. I'd be interested to see how they discern between coincidence and a true connection. We're sort of judging old language from a modern perspective, saying that language should be connected the way it is now. But surely the way society viewed coherent ideas and the self has changed. It doesn't necessarily mean those people were schizophrenic; they were expected to say things differently. I mean you can still sort of see this today with variations between languages around the world affecting how people view topics and how they, for example, judge poetry. The predictive capabilities of this for modern people is the real story to me, I'm not sure why they felt they could judge history through the same filter though.
This is fascinating!
Oh my god, this is very eye opening.
+Haitaish Love your profile pic. Frostbite is a beautiful piece of technology.
***** You work at DICE?
+Floris R I have a question, what is frostbite
Rainbow203 It's a software engine and editor in which people can create a 3D videogame.
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That increase of "introspection" in greek tradition coincides with arise of Buddhism. Interesting
I would gladly listen to this guy talk about the subject for an hour. I really want to understand what the predictive measuring actually came down to, what this semantic coherence means in concrete examples.
사용하는 단어와 말이 발병에 영향을 끼친다니?..
그리고 그게 거의 정확하게 알고리즘화 할 수 있고?
의식과 몸의 상관관계와 의식이란 무엇인가에 많이 접근한 것 같습니다.
감사합니다^^
what a great TED talk, people could get help faster
If one is looking, the subconscious mind gives away the basis of our habits and beliefs/attitudes and much more.
Links would be nice. I am not looking to be sold, but to be informed.
Maybe TED Talks could make that part of their criteria for giving a talk.
I am given to understand that speakers spend massive hours preparing for a talk.
As a regular viewer of these talks I would really love spending time reviewing links to further enhance the delightful time I spent listening to said Talks.
Please introduce him to Marissa Peer. He is on the verge of seeing of what she is already seeing. Good on Mariano!
I love this talk soooo much! What they are doing and trying to do is so fascinating!!
It's true that this talk doesn't talk deep enough about how semantic coherence may be used to predict schizophrenia.
But the idea sounds interesting and feasible. At least it makes me curious about their work and wants to know more
A better name for this TED talk: How introspection came to be
The theory of how introspection came to be was the springboard from which he and his colleague developed new algorithms for predicting the development of future mental problems of their subjects. Hence, the title: "Your words may predict your future mental health."
+alwaysuseless Well, yes, however, he went on to talk about the history of introspection more than he did about the focus of the video. Out of the entire talk, the main point only really got about a minute at most, and even then, what he did manage to say about it was rather vague, and could have used more explanation to put it into layman's terms.
Nora El Naby Well, I respectfully disagree. In the talk I heard the development of introspection was the necessary context of his research, but the news was the two paths they tried, and the emphasis, of course, was on the idea that proved productive and predictive, namely of how frequently a subject switched categories and how they measured that.
Yes, that is Greece, even in its (fabricated) decadence, still radiates the knowledge and inspiration to everyone...
the Bible says this 2000 years ago, it says, u live by every word that comes out of your mouth!
Wow. This will no doubt be very useful for people of the future who are susceptible to psychological illness.
Well, I should say that it was a very scientific and quantitative approach. Both psychology and endeavors on algorithm are basically founded on traditional religious practices. The term 'mind power' is just another term for 'will power' for which we all are capable of. Reason, will, intellect and the like are faculties innate in man for him to utilize and for him to manage & direct his affairs. Thus, man must learn to discern well on how to wisely use this 'power'.
can someone please explain to me what he’s trying to say? i really would like to understand :(
Science is going to collapse everything into delicious, delicious data.
And soon science will be skipping along, through and beyond topics we didn't know were connected, to ideas and possibilities we never dreamed could exist.
I think you just described AI.
"topics we didn't know were connected"...
sounds like schizophrenia.
might wanna have that looked at.
+ism schism lol 😂
@@ismschism5176 fabels= level 1 human attempt at understanding, philosophy= level 2, science= level 3, AI= level 4, ?????= level 5 and by level infinity we'll have it
Science is racist 😐
An independent individual (with a self) is indeed a rather new phenomenon. The process of the development of an individual was well studied in Eric Auerbach's book Mimesis. It was first published in 1946. Still highly recommended reading.
what an amazing body of research. Very impressive.
I think automated and objective diagnoses are a bit scary, makes you feel somewhat helpless. I can see the potential for good in this going forward, but I think this also opens up quite a few doors for misuse.
Mind blowing. Reading his book right now! It is so good!!! "The Secret Life of the Mind. "
This makes me want to become a neurologist
schizophrenia is characterized by hearing distinct, unique voices in one's head, often with the affected person believing they are being instructed to do something. the introspective person who gains the ability to take multiple perspectives of their world/experiences and to speak about those observations, even if done so in a fluidly tangential manner, is not schizophrenic. further, it's not much of a surprise that as agricultural societies grew into larger settled civilizations, management of those societies required more complex thought to organize and sustain them than did nomadic tribes of smaller numbers.
Hearing voices is a single symptom of schizophrenia and isn't even required according to the DSM. Likewise, someone could say schizophrenia is characterized by disorganized thought, in which case, this man's algorithm makes perfect sense.
gracias, mariano sigman
I DON'T UNDERSTAND how these algorithm can compare story (majority of old testament/older greek literature), journal/opinion on existing historical events (prophets), and letters written to people for disciplinary purposes PLUS manuscript of philosophers written by disciples can be computed as one literature to measure development of men's mind and conciseness.
Isn't it like comparing memoire and biography, than HP, LoTR, Twilight, and HungerGames, as well as philosophy textbooks and self-help books in same algorithm to measure the way men's mind has evolve? Shouldn't they at least compare things of the same genre (all story, or all prophets, or all letters...etc.)?
Any linguists here who could explain how this is related to Atkinsons mental model of semantics or if it's just that?
I think some people fail to see the real-world positive applications of this technology/algorithm. Being able to successfully predict mental disorders is an amazing pro-active way to ensure people get the proper health and treatment they need. Ultimately this could prevent a lot of deadly attacks and prevent youth from being radicalized. This technology could prevent people from hurting themselves and others.
we are building the future of our mental health with our words.
Ancient Indians already gave YOGA to the world as a tool to master their body and mind almost 5000 years ago and it was first mentioned in ancient sacred texts called the "Rig Veda".
PS:Yoga isn't just some exercises it's SO MUCH MORE....only if you're willing to explore it.
they buried the lead here. Are you telling me humans did not recognise their thoughts as their own until about 2000 years ago?
is there a chance that the writing style just changed over that time?
Yes, the idea is that people at least didn't recognize some of their thoughts as their own. And as this "disconnect" lessened, writing styles changed and reflected increased introspection.
I wounder if they didn't have internal dialog, and what about theory of mind? Did they think about what others were thinking.
I know my 4 year old has theory of mind but doesn't have much internal dialog. It's hard to believe people back then were just blurting out whatever was in their mind like my 4 year old does...
Right, reading PLATO I find it hard to believe. "Allegory of the cave" seems quite introspective to me.
***** He was either totally wrong or totally right, unless we're picking apart premises and saying which ones may have been right and which may have been wrong and then given the ratio of right to wrong premises, give him a gradation of rightness.
+sn3192 but if I invent penicillin by accident do I really deserve any credit?
This video will change the world. Believe me, in 20 years everyone will say that New Era started the day this video was uploaded
the world will finish by the year 2027 because Jesus is returning
Common sense, you can while reading a good book choose a characters voice to be speaking the words as you're reading. It seems to make it come alive more. Brain scans of a group of people over time come into alignment as they listen to the same story. Mental is state of mind you choose...
GRACIAS!!! that was awesome.....a bunch of things just changed....not sure what yet.....but i have a feeling its good ;)
Very interesting video. Just a comment, even if the bening assumption that when two words are related, they tend to appear in the same contexts more often than expected just by chance was objective, determining the "just by chance" part is probably not... A word of caution about saying "objective"
The 100% accuracy raised some suspicion in my mind. What if they fell into the memorization fallacy of computer models where the data with which the model is designed/trained fits perfectly with the predictions/classification schema but fails terribly in novel test cases. Did they run a tets set to see if that is the case?
I would like to know more about the software with the algorithm or what method did he use to determine the future of the mental health of those people?
Are we getting closer to Isaac Asimovs' science of psychohistory?
don't worry, i am working on the equation
If I remember right, that worked a bit differently. Rather than projecting the future from the psychology of one individual, it used the sample group of the entire galaxy.
Corey Doyle
Yes true, if you remeber though the equation had many different branches and was vast. this could be just a part of it.
mahbs Hundreds of years from now, we may very well see ;-)
Here's to being here in a few hundred years
*（ ^__^）o自自o（^__^ ）* - Cheers
Tried to follow along whilst getting ready for bed.. Didn't quite keep up but what I heard sounds promising..!
Meditation is 9,000 yrs old. Which means that introspection is considerably ancient, and most likely predates civilization. Meditation is such a powerful tool for introspection that, of course, his contemporaries are only beginning to acknowledge as a valid and potent tool for healing and therapy. We're so ahead of the times that we're 9,000 years behind, XD
In other words, it's all woo-woo until their colleagues are raving about it.
could this system help with developing AI? or is it just his words at the end of the video that made me think so?
"Tus palabras pueden predecir tu salud mental futura." Creo que tiene sentido, de hecho nuestra comunicación dice mucho de nuestro presente y de nuestro pasado, entonces bien podrían construirse escenarios futuros, lo que impresiona es que asegura que pueden predecir con una exactitud del 100% si alguien se convertirá en esquizofrénico. Se ve que se tomaron muy en serio este estudio y toman en cuenta algunos factores que son muy relevantes, por ejemplo: "No es lo que dices, sino cómo lo dices."; o la frecuencia con que se usan ciertas palabras. Surgen muchas preguntas, por ejemplo: ¿Cómo se utilizaría esta herramienta (si se le puede llamar así) para diagnosticar e intervenir en su caso? ¿Qué papel juega la educación en cuanto a la información que procesa nuestro cerebro y que finalmente es el material con el cual construimos nuestros discursos?
Who felt eating pizza while listening to this nice Ted speech ?
if they could predict the rise of introspection by analyzing ancient texts, is it also possible to analyzer more current books to see where the human consciousness is heading?
It's the TED MOSBY talks. The art of meeting the mother.
I think therefore I am
This will be the beginning of the end.
This algorithm will be used for advertisement, spying, and so forth.
Bittersweet
So live under the rock. I hope you do enjoy it.
Just bitter - not sweet.
Idiot
Oh please ... enough with the doomsday scenarios. If you’re legitimately concerned then why, pray tell, be on a digital device connected to the internet, on a platform that is effectively run with algorithms & A.I., hmmm? The algorithms are there to serve you ... if you’re in a negative headspace echo chamber, then the algorithms will simply give you more, thus magnifying whatever you put out.
Words,....semantic...I agree with you. They are important, rich, useful, predict for psychological research. But, transform them in algorithms for you analyze all complexity human???? Could this help studies about the thought, mind, soul from people? I am not sure about this dare intent.
Be careful what you write here :D
Studio Brokoola good one! :D
Yes indeed... if we can analyse books and speech, we can also analyse UA-cam comments...
In fact, I noticed there are a lot of paranoid people worried this will be "another big brother" tool in the comments section..
This is probably down to UA-cam's own alogarithm.. that has noticed the sort of paranoid videos these paranoid people like to watch and hence recommended them this gem...
Wait a minute! Does UA-cam alogarithm think I am paranoid as well?
@@dinsel9691 settle petal...I think therefore I am ...
@@dinsel9691 It's all a conspiracy to make you paranoid, dude
this word map based on correlation is pretty cool way to map out your ideas, research, arguments about those things
and also it's scary how close this guy's accent sounds like a greek speaking english O.o
This is interesting but I'm a bit wary about it. Firstly, we need more information on how the algorithm works, and secondly it will probably work best in conjunction with human expertise and intuition. Otherwise it sounds like a lead up to some dystopian world where everyone is judged by their words (even those made in jest), and some are monitored or even captured under the guise of preventative treatment. We're obviously very far away from that now, but this does seem a bit scary.
sorely, if you take a group of people with Schizophrenic tendency you can predict with certainty that they will all develop Schizophrenia unless they change doctor. For such is the power of subjective illness that repetition from somebody perceived by patient as an authority is a likely cause. Listen to Mariano's talk again and make your own decision as to Mariano's own mental purgatory - who is he to judge others, why are his 'scientific' methods scientific and is anybody here willing to vouch for his good character.
So if someone's speech jumps randomly from topic to topic without making much sense , they may be going nutty ? Seems obvious
Ha ha yes quite!
That Shakespeare was a right looney!
Just as you can fake any state of mind, or lie to the polygraph. It's a highly demanding skill, though.
nice XD
Hmm... I now I wonder if I'm truly logical and creative simultaneously, or if my novel ideas are simply indicative of the onset of schizophrenia... Eh, nah, I'm probably awesome.
We don't even have any definitions. How can we discuss thinking then?
Es un capo, simplemente genial desde mi punto de vista ^-^)/
Was hoping for the guy to show the Twit but very interesting nonetheless!
Did they take in account what a word meant then vs now. Also the time and culture and how they saw the word.
So, this (distance being indicative of relatedness) "has to be true for ANY two words within this space" - says the guy. Call me old-fashioned but I was not so easily convinced (in this algorithmic representation of relatedness of words) once I saw that 'banana' is a word more closely related to 'nose' than to 'apple'. And 'nose', of course, is more closely related to 'banana' than to 'head' - examples are abundant. Or 'finger' being more related to 'neck' than to 'arm' and/or 'hand'. Or maybe I'm just not getting it right. Rest of the research is sketchy at best. Personal opinion. Peace.
This is crazy. I love it.
Today so many in the Christian Community talk about God said to them. Those who've had prior drug histories have the most profound revelations from God.
It measures introspective writing right? How do you go from there to thought and science?
Highly recommend his book called the "secret life of the mind" by Mariano sigman
Excellent talk, thank you, Mariano
This might be true of Western cultures but how do you explain religions like Hinduism whose basis has always been introspection?
Pretty interesting to think that words can tell you more about your brain development than fMRI or other technologies.
One of the first Ted talks that doesn't actively attack my Faith ♥
I'm really surprised because this seems to mean that lateral thinking, divergent thinking and thus the trait openness itself should be great predictors of future mental illness.
Study is limited to Greek thought and Bible ,Introspection existed long ago in Buddhist and Hindu tradition where most of the tradition were verbal- over simplification of a complex problem of consciousness
bharat path western culture only.
6 minutes in and I still don't know what this guy is talking about.
Well, sad for you =)
Same for many I'd guess, at least you got to see the best androgynous cameltoe to date.
Wait sorry, that wasn't a plus, yep useless... your right.
YOU'RE*
*****
Yes, thank you grammar police ;P
***** You're welcome, throwback. ;)
This is so amazing.
I tried to listen through to the end but my mind couldn't concentrate on deciphering his words through the accent
Then "I am the walrus" (Beatles) and "Gates of Eden" (Dylan) are more introspective and less schizophrenic than "Treasure Island" (Stenenson) and "Ivanhoe" (Scott)?
7:04 so... at about 220 B.C. we'd've reached an introspection singularity?! I'd like to see the rest of history-forward on that timeline.
that was so amazing at the end it all came together